because he didn't exist when The Fall of Reach was written
#lore-and-universe
unique rune
abstract venture
He was dead by then
stoic hamlet
To clarify he was dead by the time of that meeting.
But the Spartans had been recalled long before that
last anchor
He wouldnt have been able to return anyway as he was in the field with Noble and they needed him more than Red Flag did.
Honestly Red Flag probably went ahead BECAUSE of what happened after Jorge's death, since the UNSC had noted it would most likely require the sacrifice of Reach as a whole to bring in an important enough Covenant ship to board.
Well, the Fleet of Particular Justice had seen to that...
inner basin
In my opinion, it was a mistake to sacrifice Reach, but in the end the Covenant was defeated anyways, but it was a huge risk nonetheless
versed helm
Are the Sangheili stronger or equal in strength when compared to Spartan 2s?
versed helm
well....
sangheili are by default bigger than the S-IIs
with the armour, they're pretty much the same height, i think
i guess equal
hot nymph
I feel like
Elites are a little weaker
Than fully augmented mjolnr spartan 2s
As seen by like halo wars with red team
And also Thel’s fight with a spartan I can’t remember his name
Thel (who is obviously a very gifted and prestigious elite when it comes to combat and tactics) it’s quickly taken to the ground and nearly subdued before being saved by another elite (again I don’t know the name, my halo lore is very very rusty)
versed helm
HW was a bit ridiculous though.
hehehe
yeah
forge vs ripa was kinda messed up
by rights, ripa should've won
Didn't he crush his ribcage at some point?
In the fight I mean.
hot nymph
He punched his ribcage yeah
I think it was purely ripa’s arrogance that got him killed
Otherwise he should’ve easily won that fight
versed helm
That would have destroyed a regular human, which is what Forge was.
I get that but still, one blow would either knock you out or kill you.
hot nymph
If it’s to the ribs it’ll take a while
But yes I’d imagine he would’ve bled internally
versed helm
Not if it shatters and digs into internal organs such as the heart.
versed helm
From what I've read Ripa was known to be stronger than Spartan 2s.
Which were above to tear through metal so that should give you a good portrayal lmao.
inner basin
But Ripa might not be using his full strength when fighting Forge. He might’ve been playing with his food for lack of a better expression
reef estuary
forge vs Ripa
was such an awkward fight scene
sure is convenient for all those spartans that every single one of those elites was using a melee weapon and terrible at melee combat
carmine sleet
If Red Team had BRs in that scene, they'd have been able to just gun them all down before the Elites got near them
versed helm
Was the BR invented yet though?
carmine sleet
Yes
inner basin
Yeah
carmine sleet
We just don't see any in Halo Wars 1
inner basin
But they wouldn’t be able to do their BA flips. It would ruin the cinematic
versed helm
I see because Contact Harvest is like 6 years before Halo Wars.
carmine sleet
Beast, please, sometimes you just gotta have the build up to a cool action sequence ended by a wide shot of a bunch of Elites being gunned down at range
versed helm
So the BR was introduced by then.
reef estuary
gotta wonder what ripa was thinking when he sent his all melee weapon elites with no shields against spartans on a narrow walkway
and then took his time dealing with the enemy leader,
versed helm
HW was really dumb to me.
reef estuary
also arbiters aren't leaders 🙂
versed helm
And oh, I just realised that Joseph Staten wrote Contact Harvest.
reef estuary
thel is an exception but the entire arbiter system was basically a soldier who was sent to die,
versed helm
Thel was not an exception.
inner basin
Prototypes of the BR55 existed as early as 2524
versed helm
He was supposed to die.
reef estuary
thats why he was an exception
instead he became a symbol and assumed a leadership position
versed helm
But you stated that they were sent to die, Thel was literally sent to die lol.
reef estuary
no
im saying thel is an exception because while being sent to die, he was instead propelled to a leadership status amongst sangheili
due to circumstances surrounding the war
versed helm
Yeah but as a Covenant rank, he was to fulfill that role of being a zealous martyr.
reef estuary
he was, and then the schism happened,
versed helm
Is the schism what people referred to the Elites being exiled?
reef estuary
sure though it was more like genocide
bright briar
The Great Schism was where the Elites retaliated after being replaced, causing a split in the Covenant.
versed helm
That's pretty sad, in all honesty. If I was an Elite during those events then I'd feel awful lol. Persecuting an innocent race while religiously following false prophets.
reef estuary
well they're not innocent,
versed helm
Well for what the Covenant held them against for, they are.
reef estuary
im still a little bewildered by the choice by truth tbh
like the elites still pretty much command the vast majority of ships, with respect from the grunts and hunters, pretty much half the covenant
you know the race with the most tactical knowledge, battle prowess, assassins, etc
and they command your ships
bright briar
They were also less likely to blindly follow Truth's plans, unlike the Brutes who'd pretty much do whatever he said.
versed helm
Well Brutes are technically just dumb apes.
reef estuary
I mean he was gonna push the end everything button anyways,
also I wouldnt be so trustful of the brutes in that regard,
humble yacht
He didn’t know it was an “end everything” button
versed helm
How did they not know? They knew almost everything except for that.
reef estuary
"I brought us to this hollowed place a shelter from halo's fire."
just send the elites to keep fighting on earth and do itr
humble yacht
That’s one line
reef estuary
what do you think that one line means?
humble yacht
You take all the other lines from 3 and he clearly believed he’d be made a god from the halos
versed helm
Maybe it's the judgement of faith, like with Christianity?
In terms of interpretation anyway.
humble yacht
I think it’s more likely that Bungie was just inconsistent in their writing between 2 and 3
reef estuary
that line was from halo 3
humble yacht
I know
versed helm
I respect Bungie more than 343i so this is when my bias turns a blind eye lol.
Just kidding.
humble yacht
Sure you are
versed helm
Both companies have some of my respect for different reasons.
reef estuary
that seems way too convienent to say its just religious preaching and he didnt know what it would do, considering he was on the ark,
inner basin
It’s interpreted that Truth had gone crazy during H3 so that argument with that one line holds no credibility
humble yacht
He still whispered delusions of godhood to johnson when forcing him to activate the ring
In the privacy of that moment he had no reason to lie
inner basin
I do have to admit the line “But that secret will die along with the rest” is a little unnerving. It’s like Truth coming to the realisation that maybe there was another way, maybe a way without all the bloodshed
versed helm
truth was nuts
humble yacht
I take that line as meaning when he becomes a god, there will be no more need to harbor all his secrets
inner basin
I don’t know though. Maybe it was more of his delusional ramblings
versed helm
He was the last one alive so of course the power got to him.
yeah
he had to lead the whole covenant to its death on his own
humble yacht
There certainly is inconsistency between truth’s mannerisms in H2 and H3
They’re almost different characters
versed helm
maybe he started doing pot to deal with the stress
humble yacht
:/
versed helm
I have another (pretty creepy) thought. Couldn't the Gravemind infect the corpses of the past Arbiters.
reef estuary
if the covenant didnt incinerate them
humble yacht
More likely they were mummified, or the mausoleum was purely ceremonial
carmine sleet
That's if all of those were filled with dead Arbiters
versed helm
I'm pretty sure they were.
humble yacht
It’s unlikely they were able to recover the body of every arbiter ever
violet notch
I was about to suggest the Arbiter from Wars wouldn't be as decayed, but then I remembered they probably didn't recover his body.
versed helm
And the corpses were probably preserved well.
inner basin
Well maybe the “coffins” the bodies are stored in can perhaps prevent decay
humble yacht
Hell, Ripa’s body was not recoverable
versed helm
that depends on whether the bodies were still infectable
ripa's body was blown into non-existence
inner basin
But what about the Arbiter harness. Did they just make a new one?
humble yacht
Probably
violet notch
I imagine they had spares.
versed helm
yup
reef estuary
its just armour, it wouldnt be hard to reforge given that arbiters are often in suicidal missions
violet notch
The Sangheili made that armor, they'd know how to remake it.
versed helm
so that when one set was being repaired, they had another to wear
carmine sleet
They'd have to adjust it for each new Arbiter. Not to mention fix any damage if they didn't replace it for each Arbiter
inner basin
It just ruins the whole build up to the armour for me
violet notch
I mean, it's an iconic piece of their culture. New or not, it's important.
inner basin
They way it was presented in 2 makes you feel like your wearing armour that all the Arbiter’s before wore
versed helm
"passed down through the ages" does have a nice ring to it
humble yacht
Yea, ripa seemed a bit bigger than other elites
I don’t think his armor would have fit Thel
obsidian thistle
Plus Ripa was big. And there was a Ranger harness version that existed
humble yacht
"passed down through the ages" does have a nice ring to it
And that being a lie fits nicely with the theme of the covenant
violet notch
One could argue the line where Half-Jaw says, "your armor is not as new as ours." Could also mean in design, not physically.
inner basin
Regardless of the Arbiter harness, I do prefer Thel’s Kaidon armour (I think that’s what it’s called anyways)
obsidian thistle
I do wonder what happened to this set.
carmine sleet
The only thing missing from Thel's Kaidon armour is his cloak and I wish they had added it in Halo 5
inner basin
Thel wears Kaidon armour, Redacted
versed helm
Ah okay.
inner basin
But wherever that armour that you showed went, CIA, I hope it stays away. Personally, not a big fan
obsidian thistle
Really. I find it cool.
versed helm
thats EVA, isnt it?
obsidian thistle
Its a mix between Arbiter and Halo 2 Ranger harnesses.
inner basin
The helmet is the most jarring feature for me. Particularly the google like feature over the eyes
humble yacht
It does look weird
carmine sleet
Halo 2's Ranger armour is honestly really nice to me. I love that they added details based off of Reach's in H2A
versed helm
it has a scare factor to it, not gonna lie
obsidian thistle
I will say you can see what they tried to do with it https://www.halopedia.org/images/0/0d/Sangheili_Ranger_01.png
violet notch
Sangheili vs. Yautja
Round 1: hand-to-hand combat
Round 2: standard issue armor and weapons
Round 3: ship-to-ship combat
inner basin
I didn’t know Yautja was what Predators were called until I googled it just now. Interesting
Round 1: Predators
Round 2: Predators
Round 3: Hard to tell with the little info we have on their ship to ship combat
humble yacht
I don’t think predators would win in terms of tech
Their plasma weaponry is inferior and they lack energy shielding
inner basin
But their superior capabilities as beings far outweighs Elites
violet notch
I would say:
Round 1: Sangheili
Round 2: Yautja
Round 3: Sangheili (though it would be close)
humble yacht
Does it? When have we seen a predator do something vastly physically superior to an elite?
inner basin
Have you seen them jump?
humble yacht
I’ve seen elites make big jumps too
violet notch
I would say that physically their pretty equivalent.
But I beleive Elites are better hand-to-hand fighters.
humble yacht
Certainly bigger jumps than humans have made
violet notch
Yautja can occasionally lose to humans.
inner basin
So can Elites
violet notch
Good point
But the standard issue equipment, the Predators are vastly overprepared compared to the rank-and-file setup that Elites get.
humble yacht
In both cases, a normal human would need superior tactics and the help of weapons to take out either foe
inner basin
A versus battle always depends on the circumstances though. So it really can go either way
humble yacht
We don’t know how predator metal would react to elite personal shielding
And I think an energy sword would still melt predator metal
violet notch
The Predators have much more variety in their weapons, and I beleivetheir shoulder mounted cannons would be equivalent in power to something a little bit under a Revenant cannon.
humble yacht
It fires so slow tho and seems prone to damage
versed helm
predators do have kinda better armour
inner basin
They also have their nuclear wrist device too
violet notch
(for those just joining)
Sangheili vs. Yautja
Round 1: hand-to-hand combat
Round 2: standard issue armor and weapons
Round 3: ship-to-ship combat
versed helm
but if an elite locks on to a yatuja, im pretty sure the elite will win
the yatuja are pretty dependant on their armour
violet notch
So are the Elites in many ways.
humble yacht
Also the predator plasma weapon’s destructive power is portrayed rather inconsistently throughout the movie
versed helm
but the way they are brought up is different
inner basin
By hand to hand combat are you excluding blades and such?
versed helm
probably
inner basin
That’s a need to know
humble yacht
If it misses and hits the environment, it explodes with concussive force like a grenade
violet notch
No blades in hand-to-hand
violet notch
Since many times the blades are part of their "standard issue" equipment.
inner basin
I was just wondering as Predators can slice and dice with that wrist mounted blade
They also have variations in CQC weaponry
violet notch
I'm going with their Lore powerlevel. Not their plot-armor powers where the protagonist has to survive because the script says so.
Also, lorewise, the Predators can charge their shoulder cannons to different levels.
humble yacht
Well lore level halo plasma is devastating
violet notch
That may play a role.
inner basin
That’s if the Elite can hit anything
Predators are very agile
And because Spartans can avoid plasma, not hard to assume the same for a Predator
humble yacht
I think an elite could avoid a predator plasma shot, too
And a plasma rifle shoots much faster, more chances to get a lucky hit
violet notch
A Predator can charge his shot to something akin to a Fuel Rod. But it's very slow to do. Or it can fire quicker, weaker shots, that may be more than a tad stronger than an Elite Plasma Rifle.
humble yacht
Sounds like a plasma pistol
inner basin
Predators also have devices that can be used to distract an enemy when they are invisible. It mimics the sounds they make
violet notch
If the upper end of the Plasma Pistol's charge were equal to the lower end of the Shoulder Cannon charge, yes.
I imagine the Yautja wouldn't hesitate to play mind games with the Sangheili before engaging them. Whereas the Sangheili would be looking for a straight fight.
inner basin
Let’s not forget the worst mounded nuclear device that the Yutja have
If they are “down but not out” they typically will use it
violet notch
(I'm confusing myself going back and forth using their self-given names with their colloquial names.)
humble yacht
Also it’s totally escapeable
inner basin
But how would the Elite know if it is a nuclear device?
violet notch
I mean, it's pretty telegraphed.
humble yacht
Yeah
violet notch
Every human who encountered it figured it out instantly
inner basin
Fair
Would Elites recognise explosive devices by the same context clues humans recognise though?
violet notch
I think the biggest advantage the Yautja has is their penchant for playing mind games. A Sangheili would be looking for a fair fight, and that could easily be taken advantage of. Or at least i doubt a Sangheili would be trained to deal with a foe that's doing that. They're more head to head soldiers than anything.
inner basin
I mean it’s fair to assume yes, but do we know?
versed helm
rhythmic beeping is kinda obvious
humble yacht
Covenant bombs were on timers
reef estuary
I mean considering a number of elites employ similar tactics what with their active camoflage,
versed helm
given the mindset, im pretty sure the elite would kinda just bust out through whatever web the predator will try to entangle it in
reef estuary
id imagine they'd have an idea
violet notch
Not on the same level that Predators do though.
They excel at it.
(for those just joining us, again)
Sangheili vs. Yautja
Round 1: hand-to-hand combat
Round 2: standard issue armor and weapons
Round 3: ship-to-ship combat
inner basin
Also the location may be more advantageous for the Predator
humble yacht
I don’t think you need to keep reminding, Ridley
violet notch
Just trying to be helpful.
inner basin
If it’s a forest for example, Predators excel there. They also have heat sensors
versed helm
any place with multiple perches and cover, basically
inner basin
I mean Predators can just jump up into tree branches and run across them like you do in Assassin’s Creed lol
humble yacht
Why does the playing field have to be like that? Could easily be a more open field or something
inner basin
That’s just an example
versed helm
elites would have an advantage in open areas
inner basin
Not necessarily. Predators still have their active camo
humble yacht
So do elites
versed helm
wouldnt matter much in an open area
given that elites also use camo, they'll look for clues
like the visual distortions
or footprints
or grass rustling and stuff
inner basin
Well Predators also have their devices to mimic their sound to confuse the Elite
violet notch
I'd say in an open area the determining factor would be armor strength and weapons power.
reef estuary
ill give it to the predator
violet notch
In an area with a lot of geometry to work with. The Predator's skill would outshine an Elite's tenfold.
humble yacht
I’d give it to the elite
versed helm
yeah
predators are like monkeys to the elite's gorrila
hard to catch
but if caught, REKT
violet notch
Gorillas are big targets. Just ask Harambe. (Too soon?)
inner basin
The point to be made for this fight is the scenario. Depending on the scenario, each excel in different environments
violet notch
In hand to hand combat? I give it to the Elite.
versed helm
yeah.
violet notch
There are exceptional Yautja martial artists, but they're rarer than a skilled Sangheili martial artist. So taking the center of the bell-curve for each, the Elite would win easily.
But I give the win to the Predator if we're talking a fight with equipment and weapons. They just have more variety, and more skilled practice with that variety.
humble yacht
Hunters have inherently different skill sets than soldiers/warriors
versed helm
so, wouldnt the tide change if a different class of elite was fighting
violet notch
I mean, the tide would change if you mess with the relative skill levels of either party.
So I've been taking the "center of the bell curve" average for each.
humble yacht
Seems to me the closest thing to an Elite hunter would be a spec ops or a Silent Shadow member
versed helm
silent shadow guys also do the mind game stuff on predator levels, dont they?
violet notch
Yeah, that's true. But I feel like those are the exception, not the rule.
humble yacht
Also, didn’t Predators earn gear based on successful hunts?
violet notch
Yeah, they have ranks based on performance.
Better ranks = better gear.
Pretty much similar to Elites.
humble yacht
So if you want to put an Elite minor against a predator, the most apt matchup would be a first time predator
inner basin
silent shadow guys also do the mind game stuff on predator levels, dont they?
Not anywhere near the levels of Predators. As someone who has watched every Predator movie and Headhunter as well as read the short story, I can confirm that
reef estuary
so my viewpoint
is that I think while elites may have some battle prowess, they are utterly terrible at least when the plot needs it to be, at establishing tactics,
violet notch
Watched the movies, played the games, and read a book or two. Predators are masters of playing mind games.
humble yacht
Also don’t predators forgo their hunter traits when directly challenged?
versed helm
....
reef estuary
willingness to create vulnerabilities in their equipment and also their sense of what honour is means they are susceptible to falling for their traps created solely by the pride they carry,
versed helm
and given that an elite will outright challenge the predator
inner basin
Well these two foes have never met before
violet notch
This is true, tbh, I didn't consider that, but it's really obvious in hindsight.
versed helm
we basically have an alien samurai showdown
violet notch
Predators are also very honor-bound.
So the Elite could easily get him to stop with the mind games and face him in a fair fight if he wanted to.
humble yacht
An elite is not going act like scared quarry
versed helm
yup
humble yacht
He’s gonna call the predator a coward for hiding and laying traps
inner basin
We could argue however that the Elite will not know what to do
reef estuary
not when he's outnumbered though,
inner basin
It’s not a human this Elite is fighting
violet notch
Though some Predators aren't as honorable as others, and would still use his position to his advantage.
versed helm
an elite always roars a challenge when faced with a hidden enemy
inner basin
Not necessarily. We only saw one instance of that afaik
humble yacht
Predators have classically been shown as susceptible to insults
Even in other languages
violet notch
Yeah, the average Predator would come out of hiding if challenged. And an Elite would totally challenge. You guys are starting to sway my decision.
violet notch
The Predator's biggest advantage is his better equipment suited to hunting. Man to man, the Elite is simply stronger.
inner basin
I’m sticking with my decision from knowing both universes substantially well
humble yacht
Technically both species have been known to go berserk under certain conditions
versed helm
until and unless the predator has a really good vantage point, its a proper 1v1 showdown
violet notch
If the Elite could convince the Predator to make it a blades fight or hand to hand fight, the Elite would win. But if he fails to do that, and the Predator continues to use all the tools at his disposal, the Predator wouldwin.
humble yacht
Assuming the tools are as effective as you think
versed helm
wont the elite's camo hide the heat signature?
violet notch
I'm not just talking about his physical tools either.
humble yacht
Predators don’t exactly adorn themselves in bulletproof armor
inner basin
wont the elite's camo hide the heat signature?
Not the plasma weaponry though
violet notch
A Predator still in the hunter mentality and not yet in the honor-fight mentality, isn't going to fall because his armor isn't bulletproof.
versed helm
Well I just found out that B-312 has made entire militia groups disappear.
humble yacht
And while Predator weapons have been shown to cleave through human metals, we don’t know what materials comprise elite weaponry
versed helm
That's pretty impressive.
so, we have three scenarios in front of us
(A) the predator is in camo, the elite is not
(B) both do a showdown
(C) both are in camo and hunting each other
humble yacht
If they were hunting each other then I’d give it to predator
violet notch
A: Predator wins
B: Elite wins
C: Predator wins
The crux of this whole encounter is whether or not the Elite would be able to convince the Predator to drop the hunt, and go man-to-man.
humble yacht
I don’t see why an elite would just happen to be in a forest or other such area where a predator would easily hunt them
versed helm
but, the elite in question is a silent shadow guy
violet notch
Yeah, we're taking the averages of each.
inner basin
It may not necessarily just be a forest, anywhere with leverage is where the Predator would excel in most cases
versed helm
i think the silent shadow might win the "both are camo" round
inner basin
How? His plasma weaponry will likely be picked up on the heat sensor if active camo even does mitigate its effects
violet notch
Yeah, but you're taking exceptions against averages. And that's not even fair. If you take the best hunter the Elites have to offer, then ya gotta take the best hunter the Predators have to offer. And the Elite wouldn't stand a chance.
inner basin
They don’t wear heat sensors as far as we know though
We don’t even know if the SS have a VISR like technology that the UNSC have
humble yacht
We don’t really know who the best elite hunter is
versed helm
we arent taking the best elite hunter
violet notch
This is the field the Yautja are known for. It's where their colloquial name comes from in the first place. Predator. If it were the best vs the best, in terms of cloak-and-dagger hunting, the Elite doesn't stand a chance.
humble yacht
Does silent shadow have a captain?
versed helm
we dont have a lot of lore on the silent shadow, though. do we?
if we do compare the knowledge base for both
humble yacht
At their core they are a hit squad, so I imagine if they were sent into a field with a predator, they’d be given limited intel in their target, similar to how predators know about their quarry
reef estuary
thats a good point, I remember reading active camo from elites emits heat
and predators have heat vision, meaning they'll never catch him off guard
😮
versed helm
but wont predator armour do the same?
reef estuary
but do elites have thermal vision?
versed helm
the SS probably does
inner basin
We don’t know
versed helm
plus, if the elite in question starts chucking plasma nades, wont the EMP mess up the predator's armour?
inner basin
Considering that the Predator has a nuclear device attached to his arm, it’s unlikely
versed helm
and the armour itself isnt nuclear powered. i think
versed helm
so, the elite just got a major weapons advantage
inner basin
How?
versed helm
EMP.
inner basin
We haven’t proved that EMPs affect the armour
versed helm
if the armour isnt nuclear, it will
reef estuary
so why doesnt it fry elites armour?
humble yacht
There is nothing to shut down on predator armor
It’s just metal plates
Sparse metal plates
inner basin
The camouflage is what he is referring to
humble yacht
Oh, if it was active then I bet an EMP would disrupt it
inner basin
That requires a lucky plasma grenade throw as well
humble yacht
It can be disrupted by purely kinetic energy
inner basin
Then also a hit that hard to be lucky
But the Elite will reveal himself making him a prime target
reef estuary
on a side note, I think the elites would technically have worse weapons for this encounter given that they typically carry plasma weapons, 😮
humble yacht
Also we have to consider elite senses vs human senses. Sure, a predator can hide from humans pretty seamlessly, but humans are classically depicted as having subpar senses
reef estuary
we'll just assume its the same vs the elites
because predators would've developed their technology amongst their own kind,
humble yacht
I think that’s a careless assumption
reef estuary
i mean unless you have a basis to argue against,
inner basin
Well when referring to humans vs Predators in the movie, it’s all to forward the plot, not necessarily how it’d actually play out
Like in some scenes humans know what to do some how
But I think I’ve committed my 2 cents to this conversation
humble yacht
I think elites at least smell better than humans
Rtas classically identified the flood by their scent. I’ve never heard a human comment on the smell of flood
reef estuary
i propose that masterchief take off his helmet and give the flood a quick whiff
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
It’s worth noting that Rtas smelled them before they entered the room
I imagine even a human might smell them when surrounded by them
reef estuary
rtas also one of the few who survived an encounter with the flood
humble yacht
That’s why he recognized the scent
The fact he picked it up at all could suggest heightened smell compared to humans
Which wouldn’t be uncommon for aliens. Brutes sense of smell is certainly greater
inner basin
Well we can’t just assume they can track a Predator via smell. We don’t even know if Predator’s give off such a smell that it can allow for such a distinction to be made. If they do however give off a smell, depending on the location, it can be hard to say if they can even pick up on the smell of the Predator
violet notch
Yeah, that's working off too many assumptions
humble yacht
Maybe not track a predator, but possibly notice their presence where a human would not
inner basin
I’ve got something else to add. Rtas mentions how he’s smelt it before and knows it source, however the Elite in this fight has never encountered a Predator and may not recognise its smell. It’s like asking sniffer dogs to search for something but because they haven’t got a scent of it before, they won’t know what they’re smelling for
humble yacht
Since most knowledge of predator hunting skills is against humans, we have to consider that elites are a more difficult quarry
violet notch
Well that's not entirely true.
The Predators are known for hunting many different species across all of space.
humble yacht
What may work for hunting a human may not be as effective against an elite
Sure, we know that, but most practical examples we can cite are against humans
inner basin
Predators occasionally hunt for their own species some times
violet notch
Which is what brought about that infamous scenein Predator 2 where you see an Alien/Xenomorph skull mounted in a trophy case. And that spawned all of teh expanded Alien vs Predator universe
There's a shot of a trophy case in Predator 2 with tons of different skulls of alien species
humble yacht
Xenos are most definitely a tougher quarry than humans. Few predators seem to have survived that trial
inner basin
Not necessarily. In the crossover, the Predators vs Xenos was actually a trial for Predator “adult hood” I guess you could say
humble yacht
Yeah and how many predators failed?
inner basin
An undefined number
humble yacht
More than have failed against humans
inner basin
Well that’s because not every human is pitted against a Xenomorph trial
humble yacht
Xenos are physically superior to humans in essentially every sense
Maybe a few special humans can beat a Predator but that’s exception to the rule
Your average human is an easy target compared to an average xeno
inner basin
More than have failed against humans
If I’m understood your point here correctly, you are saying that more Predators have failed against Xenomorphs than humans, but it’s because not every human is pitted against Xenomorphs to become an adult
humble yacht
Humans arent worth being an adulthood trial
humble yacht
Because they’re an actual challenge. The kind where failure is likely
3/3 predators who took that trial in the movie failed
Well, one got the mark but failed to escape
inner basin
Well the only reason they didn’t escape is because that one helped the “last girl”
humble yacht
She helped him, it was balancing the scales
inner basin
But initially it was vice versa
If the humans weren’t there, I guarantee that 2/3 of those Predators would have made it out, but because the humans were there it changed the game’s rules so to speak
inner basin
I mean I guess my knowledge of the movie is a little rusty as I haven’t watched it in about 2 years
humble yacht
Ok, revision: she didn’t quite save him, just earned his respect
He pushed it off of him and it changed targets
But I’m guessing that scar wouldn’t have escaped anyway because the queen was out
Chopper died in 1v1 against a xeno with no human interference
inner basin
I said 2/3 Predators
But by human interference I don’t mean direct influence, but rather background influence
humble yacht
I can’t find the 2nd predator death. Guess it wasn’t a popular scene
Ok the other got killed because he was distracted by a human. So it’s iffy whether he would have survived
I mean if you can be distracted on that level at all then it’s a flaw
I’m more inclined to say that 1/3 predators would have survived if the trial occurred normally
Suffice to say, xenos are tougher for predators to kill than humans
inner basin
Wasn’t that already established though?
humble yacht
And by extension, elites would be tougher to kill than humans.
inner basin
I don’t think anyone was arguing that. I mean I certainly wasn’t
humble yacht
(Because elites are better than your average human). So it becomes then a question of how much tougher
inner basin
I was arguing that the smell argument you put forth didn’t hold much credibility when there are so many factors
humble yacht
I think it could help an elite detect a predator where a human otherwise wouldn’t have
Doesn’t mean they’d 100% know where a predator was at all times, but it could mean they’d be harder to sneak up on
inner basin
I won’t reiterate my points, but you can scroll up to see them
humble yacht
I remember them
inner basin
How would an Elite know if a Predator who they don’t really know the smell off is getting closer in let’s say a forest (filled with lots of smells naturally)
humble yacht
It would be a different smell than the rest of the forest
Let’s say the site has a smell radius. The forest will have a basal scent that is a conglomeration of several scents. But then the predator enters the smell radius, now that adds something new to the environment
versed helm
armour surely wont cover the smell
humble yacht
That could put the elite on high alert, so they’d be more aware of their surroundings than an human
Or maybe elites are just naturally more alert than humans
violet notch
Chopper didn't lose a 1v1 fight with any ol' Xeno though. He was fighting an Alpha. Exceptional members who are smarter and tougher than most drones. They have the capability of molting into Queens should the hive lose theirs.
humble yacht
From what info I can find, Grid (the drone you mention), wasn’t classified as a separate class of xeno, rather that’s the role he assumed due to his own ingenuity
violet notch
There's never any official designation. It's a fan-name for it.
humble yacht
So it looks like you meant Praetorian class xenos
Which evolve from standard drones and can evolve into queens
violet notch
The Praetorians also can molt into Queens.
But the alphas can molt into Praetorians.
You play as an alpha in the 2010 game "Alien vs Predator". At the end of the Alien's campaign, the cutscene shows your player alien pass out and molting. The camera cuts to a Queen molting out of a Praetorian before cutting to black.
humble yacht
This could be a result of personal achievement or time survived, rather than simply attributed to birth conditions
violet notch
It's possible, yeah.
One thing that annoyed fans was in the 2nd AvP movie, the long awaited Predalien representation in film was doubled as a proto-queen. It wasn't molting into a legit Queen but it was showing Alpha-like behaviors and Queen-like abilities. Which muddied the already mirky waters between the stages of the Xeno lifecycles.
humble yacht
But it seems like there is variability among xenos just like any other race
violet notch
Basically
Which means the Predator who fought 1v1 with the Xeno in the 1st AvP movie isn't an average encounter. And isn't really a good measuring tool for their relative strengths.
Basically, he wasn't just fighting any ol' Xenomorph. He was fighting the next in line to the throne.
humble yacht
Or just an above average xeno
violet notch
Those things tend to go hand in hand.
humble yacht
The sample size is small though so it’s tough to gauge how much better Grid was compared to others
If anything it’s a testament to how useful heightened intelligence is as a survival tool against predators
Give one xeno even a little more smarts and suddenly it can take out predators
violet notch
True. In one-on-one fights though.
humble yacht
Considering elites are even smarter, I think they’d be even harder targets
violet notch
Again, in a one-on-one mano-e-mano man-to-man hand-to-hand (lol, ya get the picture) honorable fight. Yes, an Elite wins hands down.
But if the Predator doesn't get drawn into that, and stays in the mentality of "The Hunt", then the Elite doesn't stand a chance.
humble yacht
Eh, I wonder about that
humble yacht
I’d put the intelligence of an average elite on the level of a spec ops human soldier
Like the one who bested a predator in the film
violet notch
Bested him, by drawing into a one-on-one fight.
feral perch
Both Elites and Predators can cloak
violet notch
Lol, I think you mispoke, but I know what you meant.
humble yacht
Bested is bested
feral perch
wow that slipped by me lol
humble yacht
Don’t matter if you win by an inch or a mile, as vin diesel said
violet notch
If your just joining the debate, StoneWall, then we have discussed the technological differences already. I maintain that the Predator's equipment has a lot more power and variety than the average Elite's.
feral perch
Okay.
violet notch
The Elite has better armor. But the Predator has better weapons.
feral perch
Idk man, give the Elite a Fuel Rod Gun and see what happens
violet notch
That's why to the victor, goes the situation.
The Predator's shoulder cannon fully charged is equivalent to a Fuel Rod.
humble yacht
I’m still doubtful about those power equivalencies. I’d need to see number because visual portrayals are likely not trustworthy
violet notch
Unfortunately I don't know if there is a numeric way to quantify their power.
Predators don't often fully charge their cannon though either.
humble yacht
Ask Deathbattle to investigate this match up
violet notch
That's mostly been seen in games and books.
I don't trust Deathbattle anymore.
They break their own rules sometimes.
humble yacht
I mean, they use published material
When did they break their rule?
And what rule are you referring to
violet notch
Their rule has always been that they take both candidates at the heights of their powers. But in the Ichigo vs Naruto episode, they took Naruto at the height of his power, but actively nerffed Ichigo by refusing to take him at the height of his, because his was brief.
So Naruto won because they broke that rule.
humble yacht
What was ichigo’s max form that was so brief?
feral perch
I want to see Halo Infinite's Master Chief versus Doom Slayer from Doom: Eternal in a Death Battles matchup
carmine sleet
I'm surprised nobody has started trying to debate the fact Chief won
reef estuary
Death battle is not something you can take seriously,
versed helm
until a game comes out where they do fight
humble yacht
Ew
humble yacht
Does anyone take smash seriously?
carmine sleet
Only Brawl's story
humble yacht
Well, beyond winning tournaments
carmine sleet
Which is the only story Smash Bros offered...
humble yacht
I don’t think anyone considers smash an accurate depiction of the characters and their abilities
carmine sleet
That is very true
humble yacht
Some characters may be closer to their actual abilities than others
versed helm
we need something like jump force to decide this
humble yacht
But in general I think smash exaggerates
I think jump force also exaggerates
There is no world where mokoto shisio could even make Perfect Cell flinch
versed helm
given his abilities, i wont call it impossible, as much as highly unlikely
violet notch
The Mortal Kombat guest characters are a ton of fun.
humble yacht
It’s impossible
A sword would not cut cell when bullets bounce off of him
And missiles get shrugged off
humble yacht
Semi perfect cell took a full force punch from a freaking cyborg and didn’t even flinch
versed helm
16 was WAYYYY weaker than cell stage 2
humble yacht
And 16 was way stronger than shishio. Shishio is ultimately a normal human, he doesn’t have ki or anything like that
humble yacht
Goku survived being dipped in lava. Heat means nothing
hot nymph
What’s up?
versed helm
All Elites wear tactical contacts, right?
humble yacht
And against cell his sword would probably just snap
versed helm
that, combined with the heat aura thing, COULD hurt cell
humble yacht
Yes, it’s likely that they all have contacts since they have huds despite not all wearing face coverings
Lol, no Pacino
It’s not even in the same league
versed helm
CELL? What is this, Crysis?
...yeah, who am i kidding
cell stage 1 could pwn shishio
humble yacht
Trunks’ sword chipped on Android 18
Swords are useless unless augmented by ki or magic
versed helm
and since its cell we're talking about, we need goku's ki to do it
humble yacht
So, to bring it all home, jump force is inaccurate, just like smash, so any damage Chief could do against doom guy (or vice versa) in matchup games like that can’t be trusted
versed helm
aye
we need a proper sit down and talk comparison to decide it
like, excel tables and stuff
versed helm
Especially if the Slayer is fully loaded
Chief might stand a chance against the slayer, but he's faster than him, despite Chief's speed even with Cortana
humble yacht
Cortana doesn’t affect chief’s speed
fair hazel
She does.
fair hazel
Maybe if she gets out there and pushes
Best case scenario he’d have to have some powerful weaponry.. and maybe some good Armour abilities
humble yacht
Give Chief a vacuum energy generator. That would probably be on par with argent energy
reef estuary
the doomslayer is pretty much a demigod
versed helm
by the hell priests, before they became hell priests
simple locust
So is or was Rtas an Ultra?
humble yacht
Technically he’s a spec ops commander
versed helm
But doesn't the Slayer have VEGA now? Or at least, did.
humble yacht
Faber has the most political power of the forerunners but was he physically stronger than the Didact?
clever fable
That picture of him in Mythos next to the Ur-Didact and Librarian definitely made it seem like he was pumping iron daily. lol
obsidian thistle
Til that if you wait a lot in the first part of the Enemy lines mission. The Banshee pilots have a star wars-like assault on the Kraken.
bright briar
Through the dialogue or can you actually see them?
bright briar
By the first part, is that as soon as you leave the pelican or when you get to the ghosts? I'm thinking of the dialogue from the ghost bit, with Siqtar going for the Kraken's core. If it's the former, awesome. I've got to check it out.
obsidian thistle
There is a lot more
;)
Some very easy to miss
Cause Halo 5 has a problem with hiding scripted dialogue in areas where you are encouraged to run.
Thankfully none are "that" important
Just context sensitive stuff
bright briar
I thought I'd stuck around on Enemy Lines, but it turns out that's one of the missions I haven't checked for dialogue on. I've heard it for most of the others, and it's really interesting.
obsidian thistle
Honestly a lotta missions has what I dub "stop-n-listen" dialogue.
jolly furnace
Faber was taller than Ur-Didact (at least pre-Gavemind encounter form) it seems. I think Born's father was actually taller then him and Faber
jolly furnace
They were announce MIA to keep morale from falling
eternal oriole
Who or what was the gravemind before they or it became the gravemind?
I'm really curious about the graveminds past
versed helm
Its a big spoiler for the books, but since you asked, there was a surviving Precursor known as the Primordial. He put himself in stasis while the remaining Precursors decided to convert themselves into organic powder, but this powder became infected with a parasite that could replicate organic beings. The Primordial then tried to pass his conscience to the Gravemind, helping the Gravemind in the days before the Forerunner-Flood war.
In short, the Gravemind's knowledge was forged and expanded on by the Primordial as a means to get back to the Forerunners for their 'genocide?' against the Precursors.
The reason why the Gravemind says "I am a monument to all your sins" is because had the Forerunners not killed the Precursors, the Flood would've never existed.
PS, I don't know if spoilers are allowed here, but if not I don't know how to mark as spoiler. Mods maybe help here?
terse lava
@versed helmthe powder was not infected by a parasite, it was originally to help those precursors restore their past forms, but the long eons of time made it defective.
carmine sleet
Is Mjolnir actually able to be rigged to explode if a Spartan dies?
@versed helm Mjolnir can be rigged to blow up
round comet
i think chief did that in First Strike
to grace, i think
yeah she died by a brute shot, and then chief rigged her suit
to blow
up
versed helm
if it has a power core, it can be rigged to blow up
carmine sleet
No, the suit seen in Prototype is not Mjolnir or related to the Spartans
split tendon
H u h
past olive
as much as I love Halo lore, I find it difficult to actually sit down and read a Halo book
those are the only 2 I've ever read
and the flood became very boring for me
versed helm
No, the pod is designed to withstand it.
depends on the armour
a slight chink, and kaboosh
carmine sleet
The suit in Prototype was the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL Mark I ADS and is related to the HRUNTING Mark III Cyclops and the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL Mark IX Mantis
versed helm
I think if I remember correctly, the pod has several layers of materials to cope with atmospheric penetration.
past olive
that's the risk all ODST's take
versed helm
pods can malfunction at times
versed helm
But that would be with the air brake, which is automatic.
past olive
pod probably took some damage from convenant fire before the drop
versed helm
You'd die.
terse lava
It wasnt fired on, just a broken mechanism
split tendon
Huh
versed helm
You wouldn't burn up I don't think because the pod is designed to sustain that.
stuff like that happens at times
the person inside would
the pod would act like an oven
The biggest issues you'd face dropping would be AA fire and an air brake failure.
yup
we see air brake failure happen in H:ODST, right?
terse lava
Not really by much
versed helm
I don't think so, the issue in ODST was that the slip space jump was in atmosphere. That just wiped out almost all of the Helljumpers.
terse lava
34
Oh from just halo wars? Thought you were counting everything
Well the war itself lasted 27 years
versed helm
I think so.
terse lava
Halo wars was in 2531. Halo wars 2 2559
versed helm
whats the time stamp in the infinite video?
terse lava
Well remember, Chief and co were only 14 or so when they fought the Covenant for the first time
He was born in 2511
versed helm
48 years
Yeah but he's been in cryo sleep too.
At which point lasted for 4 years.
Ah.
If I remember correctly, Thel is like 72 years old before Halo CE.
I have no idea.
versed helm
Johnson is technically a Spartan, he's part of ORION. A failed project that made him immune to the Flood.
gilded mason
All we know is Nizat is at least 200 Earth years old
terse lava
And that is sangheili years, so 200 human years
terse lava
I swear Ostral, all someone has to do is breathe the name "Nizat" and you just pop into existence @gilded mason
gilded mason
Also I’m fairly certain he’s not immune
Correct
I swear Ostral, all someone has to do is breathe the name "Nizat" and you just pop into existence
;)
terse lava
He has nothing special truthfully, he dodged the bullet by not letting the flood pierce his skin
versed helm
How would he be infected if neurological problems are in effect? The mutagen cell?
terse lava
That's a cover and been retconned
Nothing in the current lore can save you from flood infection once it sets I
gilded mason
Query Answer: No known biological [scaffolding] augmentation impedes efficacy of parasite conversion process.```Which is silly because it's highly likely that the parasite is composed of mutagen cells that could infect you.
But would be too OP.
Grunts and Jackals are mainly used for biomass, right?
terse lava
For the most part yes but they can be used as.combat forms
versed helm
I'd just feel bad for anyone who's been infected while alive. Being mentally alive while your body is being used against your will is a nightmare.
I know what happened to him and that's a very rare occurrence.
terse lava
Dont forgot, once your body is destroyed, your mind is brought into the flood hivemind proper to suffer for all eternity
versed helm
Wait, seriously?!
terse lava
@versed helmyea seriously, shown in Halo Silentiun
gilded mason
It's basically an inverse of the Domain
versed helm
I'd like to think that the people are freed upon death.
terse lava
Nope
gilded mason
They aren't
versed helm
I refuse to accept such a horrible fate, that's just terrible man.
gilded mason
Part of why the Flood are so horrific
terse lava
Heres a fun little quote from the gravemind on the matter
versed helm
How do they even do this with consciences?
How do you transport a conscience upon death?
gilded mason
Ne-
versed helm
That doesn't make sense to me.
gilded mason
Neural physics is magic
terse lava
Yes true
versed helm
Well, your brain is a CNS which is a very important component for your neurological system.
terse lava
Yes?
versed helm
So for transporting a conscience, that makes sense to me as a label.
terse lava
Oh, forgot that quote, "All that is created will suffer. All will be born in suffering, endless grayness shall be their lot. All creation will tailor to failure and pain"
From the gravemind talking to a forerunner catalog
versed helm
So even when a Gravemind is destroyed, the souls of people suffer?
gilded mason
The Gravemind is never truly dead
terse lava
Yes the gravemind's mind exists outside of the universe
Thus so do all the trillions of souls
gilded mason
Once another pops up, it'll be the same consciousness as the previous one
versed helm
That's weird to me since wouldn't they have to like, anchor the soul before it leaves the body?
So killing one liberates them or do they get sent to another one?
terse lava
If you kill one gravemind nothing changes
Each gravemind is like a single node in a complete system
versed helm
Man that's so rough lol.
Makes me think that firing all the Halo Rings would actually benefit the universe.
its like all the different versions of sandman
terse lava
They did prevent the flood from spreading but that's it
versed helm
At least they're liberated then, right?
gilded mason
Do you think the flood went to other galaxies?
Gravemind says he did
versed helm
they prevent it by killing everything else in the galaxy
terse lava
Who Redacted?
versed helm
The souls, once the Rings are fired.
terse lava
No
versed helm
well, it'd be pretty obvious that they did
Right, it's just to get rid of the "food" then which is information?
i mean, its hinted at several times in the forerunner trilogy
terse lava
Only those uninfected when the rings went off were "saved" by dying
versed helm
how do we know that
versed helm
its a gravemind
terse lava
Not going to bother fixing those typos anymore...
versed helm
Well wouldn't we be screwed anyway? How have the Flood not used Forerunner tech in the games yet?
terse lava
They have used it
versed helm
I see, I wondered how Gravemind pulled that off.
versed helm
How have they not corrupted Sentinels yet? Unless they have already?
versed helm
I'm beginning to hate this parasite even more than I did before.
versed helm
What's the name of the infected Spartan protocol again?
That one is pretty rough, yeah just nuking the planet lol.
terse lava
The commander wanted to capture the flood fleet. His won and monitors, along with sentinels were sent into the enemy.ships to cleanse them. These AI had been proofed against the logic plague. They still fell to it and the flood.fleet had.to be vaporized
versed helm
So Gravemind can do this to AI like Cortana?
terse lava
Still have shields
versed helm
Yeah but they only affect the host, not the armour.
versed helm
Which they don't break?
terse lava
They are in the armor
versed helm
The only significant change is the helmet, it seems that the spore infects the host through there.
terse lava
There are likely armor pieces underneath the flood biomass
Or the more logical answer, they are just AI holograms for training
versed helm
We're talking about the H2A design right?
Ah, right. They don't have shields in 4?
I don't remember them having those anyway.
I believe they do have shields
terse lava
Any shield flare in 4 is simply gameplay really. Any lore reason would be armor bits in the flood biomass
versed helm
Is it the Flood that infect the H4 Spartans? It doesn't look like them.
versed helm
Yeah, thing is those freaky tentacles are missing which is odd, but its probably because of a spore flood form.
That makes sense but what about the energy sword they corrupt? How does that work?
I think thats just meant to be the equivalent to the combat form tentacle looking arms from CE-3
H4.
Probably not an actual energy sword
But a flood claw
Maybe an organic substitute then?
Ah.
Like the ones from CE-3
terse lava
Yea it's just likely the host fingers
versed helm
Where they had a claw or tentacle on their Right arms
terse lava
Look at the jiralhanae combat forms in halo 3, 2 of their fingers are stretched out to make the tentacles
versed helm
Yeah
So, soul transportation once the body is destroyed? What happens in the mean time while it isn't destroyed?
terse lava
Hm?
versed helm
Wdym?
terse lava
Oh I think I know
versed helm
But loosing
So you said that the soul is transported to the Gravemind once its body is destroyed. What about if its body is intact and the Flood Spore dies?
versed helm
So I presume that the Flood reinfecting is not canon then?
terse lava
It is canon
versed helm
That makes sense, I forgot that they don't need a conscience to control a body.
terse lava
Yep
versed helm
What happens to Jenkins then if he wasn't fully infected?
Mostly because the infection form was really old
But isn't every host aware of what is happening?
And couldnt completely Take over
No
Ah okay.
Jenkins was an exception since the infection form was too old to finish the job
So the merciful thing to do is to kill the host before the Flood is able to infect them?
terse lava
If any form of infection gets to unit is too late
versed helm
Unless u shoot the host in the brain
terse lava
Even a small cut from a combat form can morph you
versed helm
But that doesn't liberate them.
versed helm
Then the infection form wont be able to Take over, the host could only be used as biomass by that point.
Shooting them in the head when infected.
Logically to me, I think more human souls were lost than Sangheili in that situation.
terse lava
How so? The sangheili as part of the Covenant had fought the flood in the past over the Covenant's existence. Plus the fall of high charity
versed helm
They can't infect them through the shields, right?
High charity was a feasting ground for the flood
versed helm
Canonically, do they deplete upon reacting to a Spore?
versed helm
So, most Elites would die from injuries before they'd likely be infected in my opinion.
terse lava
Those injured woild.likely be from the flood they are fighting
versed helm
Even if they died before, as long as the brain is intact an infection form could still infect the body.
Right, but these would probably be infected Brutes and stuff.
Using their weapons.
terse lava
Just infected covenant in general
Jiralhanae, unggoy, san shyuum, kig-yar
Military and civilians
versed helm
Right but in combat situations, the Elites would probably fight until the Flood kill them with Covenant weaponry.
terse lava
All consumed to fuel the flood
Likely yes or ordered to pull back. Or vaporize the area
versed helm
Whereas with militarised humans like Marines, they're more vulnerable because they don't have energy shields.
terse lava
We see forerunner civilians do that during the flood war, wiping themselves out with high tier weapons
versed helm
Do you see my point now?
Marines are more vulnerable than elites yeah, mostly because of their inferior armor.
terse lava
Well your original point was that more humans were infected then sangheili which I disagree with due.to one race only had.limited exposure to the flood
Where the sangheili had far mor
versed helm
I should have worded it better, I meant Marines and Elites.
And I'm talking about how many souls were lost, not how many were infected.
terse lava
In just pure.combat.yes marines would fall victim easier
versed helm
Logically to me, I think more human souls were lost than Sangheili in that situation.
I didn't say infected.
terse lava
I took it as Infected I guess fair enough. Although the point still stands the sangheili would.have lost more over time of the Covenant's existence and any sangheili civilians on high charity
versed helm
Yeah, I was talking about the Elites in full armour though. I shouldn't have said the race in general.
Anyway, did Sesa intentionally release the Flood on his own men thinking it would slow Thel down?
terse lava
Was likely an accident
versed helm
Ah.
Also, I think his name sounds like "seek refuge".
Lol reminds me of Zuka Zamamee, in spanish it sounds like "Su casa mami" which translates to "His House mommy"
versed helm
Do they earn names like the Huragok?
terse lava
@versed helmno
versed helm
Alright.
terse lava
@versed helmshierly
versed helm
Chimera made a joke about his name once "Ripa Moramee is What Mario says when bowser tears him a new one"
Ripa got cocky
Well if HW was not so stupid in general then we wouldn't have another one.
I still liked the design for the Marines in that one.
I remember feeling nostalgic for the Halo Wars designs, mostly because I remember reading the Halo visual guide over and over again.
Just personal opinion, I thought the fight between Forge, Ripa, the Guards and Red Team was stupid too.
terse lava
@versed helmsangheili get their personal names at birth, and earn the rest growing up
terse lava
Yea
versed helm
To be fair Ripa shouldnt have gotten carried away
I just thought that the cutscenes had a lot of "anime logic" if you understand.
That was a fatal mistake
And I hate anime a lot.
terse lava
Thel 'Vadamee for example would have been just Thel as a child, and gaining the surname later after proving worthy, then the ee suffix on entering the military
versed helm
I dont like most animes either tbh, but I do have a few ones that I actually like.
Didn't Rtas have "Vadam" as a surname?
terse lava
Vadum
terse lava
He did in the covenant
versed helm
He was Rtas Vadumee
terse lava
Yep
versed helm
It means they're a part of the Military I think
Or something like that
Ado is a bigger expert on Sangheili
Wait but what about people like Kola 'Baoth. Wouldn't that be "Baothe"?
terse lava
Well not silly known really. Of note however the character the Propegt of Inner Conviction, on his comrade Vil 'Kthamee in Halo: Broken Circle was going to see that the sangheili was rewarded for his deeds
And 'kthamee was the only sangheili in the first half of the book with the ee as part of his name as it was actually part of the surname. Not a badge
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Ado is a bigger expert on Sangheili
When I see a Sangheili name and profile pic in this server I expect them to possess the same knowledge and will as an Elite to the point where speaking English sounds like heresy to them lmao.
terse lava
That's my head canon, that Conviction honored him with that as Vil saved his life several times and was loyal to the Covenant
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Lol
terse lava
You honor me Jcrrz
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So Thel was born from the Vadam bloodline but had to prove his worth, right?
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Anyway until further expanded on by 343, that makes the most sense to me for the ee
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If Ostral was here id be honoring both of u, but he aint so im only honoring u 👀
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Gute Nacht
Just say the magic words "Nizat" and he'll come with a fleet lol.
Nizat is an old boi
gilded mason
I’m asleeeep, Ado
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Well not anymore.
gilded mason
So shush, y’all!
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One of them tagged you, one.
carmine sleet
Sleep? What's that?
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We only assisted in the ritual
gilded mason
Yer all complicit
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All I did was mention Nizat, 'tis all!
gilded mason
I’ll remember this whenever I get access to a glassing beam
gilded mason
lol
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Seriously though, go to sleep.
gilded mason
Anyway, nighty-night, y’all
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I find it funny how Sangheili can't pronounce English correctly.
terse lava
Night Ostral, and in my defense you are usually somehow still awake at this hour
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Like how "ph" or "f" is "sssss" because of the mandibles and absent tongue.
"How are you doing?"
"Ssssine."
lol
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Sangheili do have tongues
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Wait, they do?
Where?!
There was that concept art... But is it still canon?
Or is it just concept art?
I dont remember if it was H4 or H5 but there was a concept art of a Sangheili with a tongue...
H4/5 Sangheili would've looked way uglier than What they already look
Yeah I hate the design for H4 and 5 so they don't exist to me.
We must Glass Hesduros
Where they supposedly come from
Or... Evolved into looking like that
My weird theory is that in Infinite, Master Chief wakes up after 3 and that 4 and 5 were a dream. Sounds dumb (I know).
Or Sangheili looked pretty and he still wore the same armor for me
Sorry but I can't see the attractive aspect of the Sangheili lol.
Well... His 4 armor is technically the same as his 3 armor but extremely modified and true
But they probably see us as an even uglier race.
But old Sangheili look way better than the new ones
I just call them prettier
Even though that would be a little wrong to say lol
Of course, I prefer the H2A a lot more.
Same
Well, how so? They're not exactly the Flood.
Even though that would be a little wrong to say lol
I was talking about Sangheili in general looking attractive
I just call the old ones prettier
I'm aware.
Ye
Anyway, so maybe in H3, Chief was knocked out of the ship and was left drifting in space.
And that random Marine finds him in the Pelican.
Arbiter still made it home but Chief simply didn't. A bit crazy I know.
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Eh seen worse theories, anyway goodnight
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Sleep well.