We all have preferences I guess
#lore-and-universe
hot nymph
keen canopy
fair enough, but if you have a problem with it in H2, surely you can see it in 3 also
hot nymph
I’d rather there were parts of the story that maybe aren’t significant rather than everything happening at once
humble yacht
Tsavo highway is one of my least liked halo 3 levels
keen canopy
I love the level itself tbh
hot nymph
I think it’s a great level
keen canopy
But narratively, nothing meaningful happens in Halo 3 until the Separitists and Flood arrive
keen canopy
Indeed, and I think Halo 2 doesn't have that same flaw at all
humble yacht
No it has a different flaw
humble yacht
Spread out filler
Chapters of narrative split across two levels where all the important stuff happens in part 2
keen canopy
I disagree heavily, Halo 2's pace is through the roof. John goes from Space, to earth, to Halo, to the Gravemind, to High Charity, and back to earth.
Dude, it's one level
hot nymph
^
keen canopy
It's the xbox
humble yacht
It’s not one level
keen canopy
theyy split them into 2 for technical reasons
humble yacht
It happens like 4 times
hot nymph
Where does it happen again?
keen canopy
your weapons carry over, even in the director commantary, they say "we did one level each alternating between Chief and Arbiter, and then towards the end we started doing half levels"
humble yacht
Delta halo, uprising, Gravemind
All of these levels end with nothing that important happening
keen canopy
...because they literally pick up right where you left off
humble yacht
You instead pick up a level later in basically the same situation you left off in
hot nymph
Uprising is where Thel is teleported to mr mohawk
keen canopy
Idk it seems pretty ridiculous to hold that against Halo 2, when they only did it for technical reasons, with the exception of the last 2 levels
hot nymph
Still better than having to get on a ship and that
humble yacht
Halo 2 was well known to have development issues that weren’t technical
keen canopy
Outskirts-Metro, Arbiter-Oracle, Delta Halo-Regret, Icon-QZ are all completely seamless transitions
humble yacht
They should have been condensed into one level for each chapter
hot nymph
Outskirts-locating scarab
Metro-destroying it
humble yacht
Your copy paste doesn’t change how I feel about how narrative structure should go
hot nymph
Arbiter- quell herecy
Oracle- oh no flood
Delta halo you land on the halo with the odsts
And then regret you.. kill regret
keen canopy
I don't see a single reason that whether outskirts->metro is considered one level or two, has anything to do with narrative structure
It's semantics
humble yacht
Because it just artificially lengthens one chapter to pad playtime
humble yacht
Delta halo could have easily had us land on halo in the beginning and kill regret by the end
keen canopy
they split it into two because it got too big for the OG Xbox to handle
Same with Delta Halo and regret
hot nymph
Is it really that easy to land on a halo ring and kill a high prophet all within one level
humble yacht
Then cut out some of the navigating to the level is short enough to fit, yet each level ends with important thing propelling the story forward
keen canopy
Dude
they cut out
1/3rd of the entire game
and you're complaining they didn't cut more?
humble yacht
I’m saying that I find what they chose to cut to be less than ideal
They cut substance when they could have cut less meaningful stuff
keen canopy
You're not making any sense
hot nymph
Yeah nah
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hot nymph
Either way
keen canopy
- Cairo Station
- Covenant Ship (replaced by the bomb cutscene)
- Earth City (split into Outskirts and Metropolis)
- Alpha Moon (reworked into The Arbiter and The Oracle, environment geometry reused for Quarantine Zone)
- Delta Halo (split into Delta Halo and Regret)
- Sacred Icon (split into Sacred Icon and Quarantine Zone)
- Forerunner Tank (cut, gondola geometry reused for Quarantine Zone)
- High Charity (split into Gravemind and High Charity, originally ended with a warthog run (very similar to Halo CE's) onto the Dreadnought)
- Uprising (split into Uprising and The Great Journey)
^This is almost the game we got
humble yacht
Halo 2 has some drawn out levels and I find it unnecessary
hot nymph
Not everything has to come easy to the player
Make it a challenge
Hell
Make a level last 3 levels
humble yacht
Not everyone has to agree that things are good
My feelings on halo 2 shouldn’t offend you
hot nymph
Oh they don’t
keen canopy
where a level begins and ends is completely irrelevant to a narrative lmao
humble yacht
Content is one facet, but structure is another
keen canopy
All I'm saying Chimera, Halo 2 definitely has problems
hot nymph
Kinda sheds light on the struggle of achieving
humble yacht
It’s like how some movies are 2 hours long but only have 1.5 hours of important stuff
hot nymph
Yeah I get you
I just think that’s justifiable because of the obstacles put in place
Like trying to chase down a scarab
Or rallying troops
humble yacht
I like halo 2 overall, I just think it could have been done differently and the end product would have benefited
keen canopy
If you're evaluating Halo 2, the back to back chapters should be considered one level
Since they literally are
humble yacht
They’re not tho
humble yacht
Concept halo 2 and final halo 2 were different
keen canopy
And what a humongously bold take. Halo 2, one of the most famously dysfunctional development cycles of all time, could have been done better
humble yacht
I’d it takes you 40 min to get though outskirts and 40 min to get through metropolis, but the only narratively important events really happen in metropolis, then they could have combined both levels into one 40 min level instead of a combined 80 min
Less walking and intermittent firefights and more plot relevant actions
Like, look at the structure of CE. Backtracking aside, every level ends propelling the story forward in a meaningful way
You never end just having gone from point a to point b
keen canopy
The entire point of outskirts is that you're defending earth, and you're following the scarab that shot you down at the beginning of the level. Then at the beginning of metropolis, you catch up to it.
humble yacht
If they hadn’t reused levels as much as they did, it would have been really, really great
keen canopy
You know, the human homeworld earth
humble yacht
Outskirts did not feel like defending earth to me
humble yacht
There was no protecting citizens or securing evacuations
keen canopy
for the purpose of your argument of course
humble yacht
No stopping a covenant hit squad. You can roll through all of outskirts skipping most fights if you want
keen canopy
since the par times are way below 40min for both
keen canopy
And I don't know how to convince you that they were supposed to be single levels, if Bungie themselves literally saying it didn't convince you
hot nymph
I’d just leave it at this point fellas
humble yacht
It would have been great if they had been
keen canopy
Dude, it makes absolutely zero difference, apart from the last 2 levels, where you have a completely legitimate point
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
keen canopy
Since you play them, in bungies words' as half-levels
humble yacht
Obviously it’s important to me
humble yacht
It’s one level
keen canopy
Because it has cutscenes breaking up gameplay segements
just like Outskirts->Metropolis
humble yacht
Well then it’s about how they break it up
Even if long night of solace has middle cutscenes, on the level select it’s one level
keen canopy
So are you saying driving out of a tunnel, seeing a short cutscene outside the tunnel, and then starting literally metres from where you left off is too disjointed?
humble yacht
I don’t consider LNoS over until I drop from the ship and Jorge dies
humble yacht
I’m saying that I would have like to have seen outskirts and metropolis condensed into one level
keen canopy
You're saying, cut more stuff from Halo 2? And the Chief levels on earth at that?
humble yacht
And by condensed, I don’t just mean add one directly onto the other. I mean curate the two levels into one so you aren’t spending an obscene amount of time in one chapter doing filler stuff
keen canopy
Do you realize that not having more levels on earth was the biggest criticism halo 2 got at launch?
humble yacht
Yes
Rather than inflate the time we spent on earth with filler, they could have given us more narratively relevant reasons to spend time on earth
humble yacht
All we really do is chase a scarab and the bug out with a prophet. They could have been more adeventurous
keen canopy
Outskirts and Metropolis are absolutely huge levels with varied terrain
With only one of Halo 2's problematic wave defense segments between them
humble yacht
Sure. It still would have made sense if you cut out some of the extra walking and shooting
hot nymph
Well
keen canopy
Halo 2 is military scifi
hot nymph
Maybe even not
keen canopy
you do military stuff
hot nymph
Since it is a covenant invasion force
All be it a very small one
But one nonetheless
keen canopy
A hugely important part of the halo formula is also what Bungie call "vista moments"
hot nymph
I’m going to bed it’s 5:38 am
keen canopy
Which Halo 2 is full of
hot nymph
Goodnight fellas
humble yacht
I know Bungie made halo but let’s not pretend that everything they did was perfect
keen canopy
I'm not implying that at all
I'm saying you're complaining about walking and shooting like it's a bad thing somehow
humble yacht
Or at the very least, acknowledge that some people get different things out of halo than others
I like context to my actions in games
And I want that context to be important
keen canopy
when you're literally playing a first person shooter that was revolutionary for featuring wide open, panoramic environments
humble yacht
If you want me to walk and shoot just to get from point a to point b, then I’m going to wonder why something more critical couldnt have been given to me as a reason for my walking and shooting
This is exactly why I’m not a huge doom fan
keen canopy
You're chasing the scarab, and defending Earth from the Covenant
That's two reasons to be moving from point A to B
humble yacht
None of the defending I did in outskirts felt critical
It just felt like something slowing me down
Oh, another covenant force blocking my way
Some people are fine with varied vistas and level designs and that’s all well and good
keen canopy
I'd argue that what you're talking about isn't really that important in game design. Halo 4 has an important reason for everything you're doing, at all times. Every button has a greater purpose. But is pushing a button inside 3 identical copy-pasted towers fighting the same enemies each time fun?
humble yacht
I want the extra step and like narrative variety for what im doing
For me, halo 4 was fun
I didn’t really notice that I was pushing buttons that often because the context for the button pushing was varied and compelling
keen canopy
I agree that the context is varied and compelling
But man did I get sick of pushing buttons
There's no variety
humble yacht
Different strokes for different folks
tribal void
I hope the venereal tension between Arbiter and Master Chief is fully fleshed out in Halo Infinite.
humble yacht
The AI imo was dynamic
Knights would strategically retreat and flank to the point where it was annoying. Watchers would immediately defend other units and then retreat upon engagement
humble yacht
It’s more dynamic than halo 5 watchers and knights
keen canopy
All Halo AI has been 100% deterministic from H3 onwards afaik
Which means it responds the same way to the same player input 100% of the time
humble yacht
I felt that to some degree in halo CE and halo 2
keen canopy
Halo CE and 2 have the complete opposite, it's dynamic
As in, the AI can respond differently to the exact same player input
The reason they went to deterministic for H3 onwards
is to accommodate Theater mode
humble yacht
I’ve run both games multiple times and each run never played that much differently from another
I would get though levels the same way each time, encounters would largely play out the same with some minor differences depending on my weapons and the occasional difference in behavior
It every halo has felt that way
Except 5, I havent replayed it enough times to remember a feeling
keen canopy
Cool, that's anecdotal evidence though
I'm not making up the fact that Halo CE and 2 have dynamic AI and the others have deterministic
You can look it up if you don't believe me
humble yacht
And at the end of the day, that’s going to the most important thing for my personal experience
It’s great if CE AI are coded to be dynamic, but if I never felt it all that obvious then why should I care?
humble yacht
I can only talk about my own experience
keen canopy
You know it's actually really unethical to just repeatedly disregard external evidence and sources with the classic "well I personally disagree with that and my opinion is the only thing that's relevant to me"
humble yacht
I don’t see how that’s unethical
I’m not denying evidence, I’m just saying that it wasn’t relevant to my experience
keen canopy
Because it's like this,
"Grass is green, here's a peer-reviewed study proving that grass is green"
"Nah, I've never seen green grass in my life, I disagree sorry, and I'm entitled to my own opinion"
humble yacht
But this is all a major tangent to what was a rather small point
Or maybe I’m color blind and so grass being empirically green doesn’t mean anything to me because I can’t detect green
keen canopy
But hey if the only thing you want to talk with people about is your own experience, that's fair enough.
terse lava
What in the world is this?
humble yacht
Someone didn’t like that I think halo 2 has some filler
keen canopy
No, I just pointed out that I disagreed with your specific argument. I literally just stated my counterpoints, but you insist on continually derailing the conversation with logical fallacies instead of discussing Halo on a Halo forum. I agree Halo 2 has filler, I even mentioned something actually tangible: it's repetitive "hold this position" wave defense sequences.
I've brought more evidence to your own argument than you have and you're accusing me of not liking it?
humble yacht
You did more than disagree. You were essentially trying to invalidate my opinion due to some copy paste of how halo 2 storyboard had single levels that were split into 2 for the final product
I only brought up the opinion stuff at the end after you brought up the halo AI thing like it was some smoking gun
keen canopy
I wrote that myself, and again, I'm not making stuff up why would I? For the 999th time, bungie literally referred to the first half of H2 as level-for level, and then the end as alternating half levels.
humble yacht
Ok? And I think that certain levels in halo 2 feel like filler
keen canopy
And bringing up the AI was my attempt to change the subject lmao. but you did the exact same thing again.
humble yacht
Felt like more right fighting to me
keen canopy
How are we supposed to discuss anything if one person just continually derails discussion with "I'm entitled to my opinion."
humble yacht
You say “I see your point but disagree” and move on?
keen canopy
I never once was talking about anyones individual experience, I'm talking about tangible stuff that has nothing to do with me or you
Disagree and move on sounds like pretty awesome discussion.
Anyway
Lets move on then sure.
humble yacht
I was taking about how I felt about halo 2. I wasn’t really interested in tangible or whatever
keen canopy
I can tell
humble yacht
And it was more of an aside than anything
keen canopy
I apologize for completely mistaking your intentions. I thought you were interested in further discussion.
terse lava
Hm, would the Silent Shadow be counted as the Covenant equivalent of ONI?
gilded mason
I'd more imagine it'd be some ministry
terse lava
Yes, but even in that case wouldn't the blades be like ONI agents?
gilded mason
Possibly
humble yacht
Feel like silent shadow would be more like headhunters, in function at least
carmine sleet
That makes sense, especially since their first appearance was in the short story Headhunters
humble yacht
Legit didn’t know that
remote spruce
my boi Roland was like "ah shoot"
carmine sleet
Well, I think in the original version from Halo Evolutions, it's not really stated that they're different to other Spec Ops Elites (Could be completely wrong as I haven't actually read the story) but in the animated version, the Elites at the end are wearing the armour we now know as Silent Shadow armour
remote spruce
couldn't even noob combo those elites
Evolutions is peak Halo, Headhunters being one of those stories
last anchor
The Elites in Headhunters didn thave a title, I think they were just "spec ops elites". The Silent Shadow came into existance afterwards and their armor MIGHT have been inspired by the animated version. Or perhaps they were always in existance and we only learned about them later, I dont know
carmine sleet
My guess is that they saw people liked the design and decided to go "Hey, let's make these guys a cool group of Spec Ops Elites separate to all the other Spec Ops Elites in terms of how cool they are"
last anchor
I mean it works.
They tend to reuse visual assets from other things, like that prowler that showed up in The Package and then suddenly became what the UNSC Red Horse looked like in Mona Lisa's motion comic.
Or how all of a sudden S-IIs armors were distinct from each other despite Nylund's writing explicetly stating them as fully identical
carmine sleet
Aye, that one I know allot of people get annoyed by
Honestly, I just don't let it get in the way of enjoying the story
In fact, going into a small head canon of mine I use to explain that. During the early days of the war, all the armour was identical for the S-IIs, basically being the base Mark IV armour, but as the war progressed, they started giving each of them armour that was more suited to their personal preferences, which is what each have during the Battle of Reach, for example, Linda would likely use the Scout Helmet and carry lots of extra sniper rounds, Kelly would be in EVA and have stuff to help her in CQC, etc.
Then Chief has armour that is basically the "standard" armour because that's just what he preferred at the time
subtle shard
What about a banished energy sword it could work
carmine sleet
A Banished Energy Sword would just be an Energy Sword
Since the Elites in the Banished are known to carry them
terse lava
Find it funny the silent shadow armor has actually maintained a reddish hue to it in media when the book said the armor's color was constantly shifting
versed helm
Ok???
terse lava
What?
carmine sleet
Ado, they were spamming the word across multiple chats. You don't need to worry about it
terse lava
Oh
abstract venture
In Silent Storm silent Shadow armor is stated to by indigo instead of red
hot nymph
Also after playing through outskirts the objective is to board the covie carrier
feral perch
Correction: First Blade Tel ‘Szatulai specifically had indigo armor
The Bloodstars had deep red armor
carmine sleet
Lore people! Do we have any clue what the visor on Mjolnir is made of? I've been checking on Halopedia but couldn't find anything definitive
humble yacht
also is it true that a huragok turned titanium plating transparent?
unique rune
If I remember correctly... yes?
I think it was mentioned in one of the Kilo-5 novels.
No clue how it makes any sense in the slightest.
humble yacht
maybe they changed the atomic composition of the plating
versed helm
😳
half apex
i have a questio
*question
in halo nightfall, why didn't locke's squad just fire the nuke and get off the ring immediately
would have prevented all the terrifying stuff that happened on the ring
after all wasn't the point of the mission to destroy the element by destroying the ring?
hot nymph
The atomic composition could mean making a new thing entirely. So I doubt it
humble yacht
who's to say it wasn't a new material after the engineer tinkered with it
hot nymph
Mendeleev
humble yacht
i don't think you understood what I was saying
grand grove
So uh, ||why didn't Noble 6 warn Emile?||
carmine sleet
Did you need to put spoiler tags on that question?
grand grove
I wasn't sure if there were people who hadn't played reach, my bad.
humble yacht
he was looking away due to suppressive fire
terse lava
Besides would'nt matter
carmine sleet
Not much that a warning could've done
terse lava
Yep Emile was doomed the moment he decided to brag
carmine sleet
Indeed
humble yacht
kinda like how spartans were conditioned to be
in that respect, he was a great success. maybe a little more broody than the average spartan, tho
terse lava
Indeed, then again all of the Spartans being like that for the most part does explain why I didn't feel bad for them
reef estuary
it kinda becomes a problem when you wanna emotionally connect with those spartans
terse lava
The closest I came to liking them were the 3s
humble yacht
if you look at the spartans as tragic characters who've had a much of their humanity struck from them for the sake of their government, you can certainly pity them
terse lava
Eh the clones had the same thing in star wars
reef estuary
I can see how that part can be interesting right, but a story about them on a personal level just wouldnt work,
terse lava
The Denning novels proved that, the Covenant had so much personality where john and co. Lacked it
reef estuary
okay so I can see where there's some story opportunities that come out of the conditioning but other than that they end up being stone cold supersoldiers who don't really change with the conflict,
terse lava
Pretty much
reef estuary
as opposed to a rookie soldier, whose forced to confront the prospect of death, who sees his allies cut down, and is forced to carry that burden with him, growing with experience to become a seasoned veteran
terse lava
Dirt showed that well
reef estuary
im not saying that spartans can't be well written, its just harder to write for them without making them boring,
for a spartan to be interesting I think there needs to be at least one factor that humanizes them, a personal weakness that can be related to, for example chief has cortana, he has this unwillingness to leave people behind, and you know he has a very small moral battle in that way when it comes to his duty,
but if you stick to a traditional spartan idea, of stone cold soldier whose only real concern is taking orders, and completing them, people won't care if he succeeds or fails, because there's no personal connection to the person under the helmet,
terse lava
Does drawnparaellls to the clones again. Shown as borderline droids in the 2003 series and both movies, they were only given personality in 2008 with that movie and later series.
An emotionless soldier will always be to plain and ironically a tad alien to properly connect too without showing something they care for
Meanwhile I dont think we have ever been shown a particular dull Covenant character
lunar condor
I personally dont perceive spartans as emotionless, for me they are more so tragic heroes that carry a large weight on their shoulders. I like to think that they feel just as much as everyone else but they suppress those emotions so they dont get consumed by it. And so they can function at their best at any given time. Thats the feeling for example the scene at the end of Halo 4 gives me when John ist looking at earth.
humble yacht
of course they aren't purely emotionless
but certainly one aspect of their conditioning was to diminish emotive capacity that didn't have battle applications
lunar condor
yeah for sure, i wonder if thats going to change eventually as spartans get older
gilded mason
Though I do enjoy Fred's personality.
humble yacht
depends on how much interaction with other humans they have
especially non-militant humans
reef estuary
what makes them uninteresting isn't their lore, its their inability to react or change in circumstances,
humble yacht
they're quite good at reacting/adapting to different battle conditions
lunar condor
It would feel weird if they eventually became the same as an average person. But it would be interesting to see them become more human. Ngl a book about a retired spartan finding his humanity would be pretty awesome.
humble yacht
uh, may I refer you to Randall-037
gilded mason
We've also got Maria
terse lava
Didnt Randall die at Harvest?
gilded mason
Randall, from Nightfall (and Pariah)
terse lava
Oh, then what was the name of that spartan-turned marine that died in the pelican explosion
Right next to Daisy
carmine sleet
Ralph
terse lava
Ahh
gilded mason
Ralph
terse lava
Ok simple mistake
gilded mason
Also that wasn't Harvest
carmine sleet
He used to be Ralph-303 but that was retconned to 103 if I recall
terse lava
It wasnt? I could have sworn it was
gilded mason
They've said it's an un-specified planet
hot nymph
Isn’t there another spartan turned marine in halo nightfall or am I tripping
humble yacht
There is only one ex spartan in nightfall
carmine sleet
Randall's the only Spartan in Nightfall and he joined the Sedran militia after he made a deal with ONI to reverse his augments az much as they could
humble yacht
We already mentioned him
hot kelp
Is there any explanation as to why Installation 07's surface changed so drastically between Halo 3 and Halo Infinite?
carmine sleet
The surface scene in Halo 3 on the rings was not an accurate reflection of what the surface looked like. Also, it's still not 100% confirmed the ring is Installation 07
simple locust
So are Spec Ops Sub-Commanders such as Kusovai armor color similar to those seen by Spec Ops Elites seen in either Halo 2 or CE? Halopedia says Blueish-Green but to me the color seems like a purple or blueish-purple.
terse lava
Bero's armor looked to be white as well in some panels. Would say he was either an officer, or a fellow commander subservient to Rtas
simple locust
So would the color Halopedia refers to as blueish-green look like the color the Halo 2 spec ops elites have or would it look more like a teal color or dark real color?
prime python
Do any of you have Halo Mythos?
One of the female elite's armor looks like the glitched shipmaster armor from Ha
Halo 3*
Tul 'Juran - though the armor artwork for Shadow of Intent and the one in Mythos look a bit different...
gilded mason
Her SoI cover design looks much better than the Mythos design to me
prime python
If you search "elite helmet glitch" you'll see what I mean
terse lava
@simple locustwould say it would best be shown with the purple they show in halo 2
prime python
Someone tell me what ancient human had the right idea to use precursor dust on their pet pherus
carmine sleet
No idea who but to be fair, they didn't know that the dust would do what it did
feral perch
vaping is ded
anti-vaping ads killed it. that's why you don't see people vaping in halo
it's not even my headcanon. frank o'connor himself whispered that to me
jolly furnace
@prime python I mean how else where they going to study the powder after analyzing it with scans etc. They found nothing so, they then inserted into animals to see if there was any effects and for further study. You know like modern scientists do now.
I mean its not like the Forerunner wouldn't have done the exact same thing and producing the exact same result.
fast mirage
What do you get if you get all skulls and intel in Halo 5?
humble yacht
an achievement
humble yacht
both
rings have a "single fire" mode, called a tactical pulse
normally, firing one ring sends a signals to the others and then they fire
or, you can fire the array from the ark
well, in Halo 3, they used a tactical pulse to neutralize the local infestation on the Ark
did you play halo 3?
then I won't spoil it further
shield worlds were more about anti-halo
but the idea is that a habitable space would be inside the planet instead of outside
the outside would be armored and protected from flood attacks, halo effects, etc
some shield worlds had a slipspace event inside so the habitable space could be larger than the volume of the planet itself
well, didact survived
so yeah
jolly furnace
Some Shield World shells had technology that could protect it from Halo pulses
Other sites used slipspace stasis to protect themselves from pulses
Rings or at least the older ones used slipspace stasis to protect their inhabitants from its own pulse
The forerunner capital had some protection from pulses since some forerunners survived a pulse by hiding in deeper sections of the capital
San Shyuum time bolt or the Precursor stasis capsule or both protected the Primordial from a low powered Halo pulse (this pulse still killed everything else in the star system including plants
everything with a nervous system down to a notacord
prime python
@prime python I mean how else where they going to study the powder after analyzing it with scans etc. They found nothing so, they then inserted into animals to see if there was any effects and for further study. You know like modern scientists do now.
@jolly furnace Makes sense.
jolly furnace
Mona Lisa was terrifying in motion comic form
quiet umbra
Do ring worlds sheild their inhabitants from the halo array firing?
Actually thats a bad question because of course they do- they contain the flood and other wildlife
better question: are their surfaces protected or does the AI repopulate them afterwards?
terse lava
The shield world surfaces likely have the same stasis shield as those on a ring's surface.
terse lava
Well no life on its surface
humble yacht
what was requiem's initial purpose?
it became a prison but it didn't start out that way
terse lava
Would say a warrior servant fortress and central military base
terse lava
Likely worked well during the human forerunner war and thus that helped the didact bring more for construction. And yea, rather sucky to be tossed into the sun
gilded mason
I blame Frankie. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
terse lava
I blame the writers
gilded mason
That's what I meant, mostly.
terse lava
"We cant think of a good way to end this, leta go with our boss's joke"
gilded mason
Yup
terse lava
Then again I guess I shouldn't be shocked
From a story POV, likely only so much they could do. Get rid of it, drive both factions off, or have it teleport away
gilded mason
I liked Haruspis' idea for it.
terse lava
What was his?
gilded mason
humble yacht
i like that he acknowledges that hindsight gives him an advantage when it comes to thinking ideas, but then he backpedals that by saying that given the writer's exposure to halo, they should have been able to come up with his idea or something of simlar "quality"
jolly furnace
They had to remove reqiuem cos its a bastion of forerunner tech
cant have UNSC getting it all to keep the status quo
terse lava
Dang I forgot I read that before. Still cringe that they went with it after only 30 minutes
gilded mason
cant have UNSC getting it all to keep the status quo```
Well, Jul did win. So it'd be him getting the spoils, not UNSC.i like that he acknowledges that hindsight gives him an advantage when it comes to thinking ideas, but then he backpedals that by saying that given the writer's exposure to halo, they should have been able to come up with his idea or something of simlar "quality"
I mean, the stuff he's sayin' here would be a reasonable thought for the writers even back when the finale of SpOps was being made
humble yacht
it's easy to say that after the fact. we have no idea what ideas they came up with during that brainstorm
what if they came up with an idea similar to Haruspis' and just didn't like it?
gilded mason
Then I'd say they made a bad decision. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
humble yacht
well sure, because you don't like requiem being thrown into the sun
terse lava
Its silly
jolly furnace
I mean they couldnt keep requiem around to ensure UNSC didnt become advanced from all that tech
humble yacht
it's not silly to everyone
gilded mason
I mean they couldnt keep requiem around to ensure UNSC didnt become advanced from all that tech```
I, like, just talked about that.And despite this they still play as if humanity is the strongest faction now
gilded mason
Thing he means right before
jolly furnace
oh
terse lava
Right before the Created nonsense
jolly furnace
Well Inifnity got wecked by a covie satellite
gilded mason
That was nice.
jolly furnace
in a comic
terse lava
Infinity gets beaten worse then a car in a compactor and still goes on thanks to plot
gilded mason
I'd love it
jolly furnace
Pff
terse lava
@gilded mason👍
gilded mason
down with Sideways Eight.
humble yacht
only if dinos go down first
gilded mason
Dinos are already extinct, Chim.
humble yacht
omg surprise twist: what if Shadow of Intent is the ship that gets blowed up in Infinite?
remote spruce
space dinos
terse lava
We all know precursors did that
jolly furnace
yeah
gilded mason
Dang Precursors.
terse lava
Dinosaurs were once tier 2
jolly furnace
I have a head canon that they took dinos before extinction events on put them on nature preserves
So i can have my JP Halo fanfic
terse lava
Well first strike me toned dinosaurs as a hologram
jolly furnace
Also given Earth prehistoric era animals appear on forerunner sites and worlds i think its likely the precursors did take earth dinos and older animals to other worlds and forerunners found them
Or the Precursors just seeded these animals on other planets
aswell
humble yacht
or life evolved similarly on some planets as others
humble yacht
well, it's an entire galaxy
humble yacht
yep. and we've seen like less than 1% of the galaxy in the games
maybe that 1% is the percent that evolved similarly
jolly furnace
Odds are Precursors will be the explanation for it
Its an easier explanation
to use
terse lava
Well its already been said precursors seeded some life, humans and forerunners. With the rest bring implied too
terse lava
Now technically we only know of humans and forerunners
humble yacht
even if bungie created the concept of them, I still don't like them and what they've become
jolly furnace
Well nothing can be done about it
humble yacht
sure, nothing can be done about it, but I don't have to like it
terse lava
Fair
jolly furnace
Heck it was speculated forerunners seeded humanity way back in the day
humble yacht
if people can complain about elite mandible placement then i can complain about precursors
jolly furnace
true
terse lava
Mhm
jolly furnace
I dont mind elite mandible thing
humble yacht
i was fine with the idea of forerunners being the "creators" of humanity because they were shown to be fallible
the covenant treated them as gods, but we the player knew better
jolly furnace
Unless its ELITES we saw before that was a thing. I dont want Arby and co having H4 mandibles
I mean the Precursors were fallible too
they are just more alien
humble yacht
eh
people argue that they aren't actually dead, because of their ability to shed physical form regularly
i really don't like that
terse lava
That I did find a bit ...much
Regen sure, borderline infinite life, sure, ability to go utterly meta via spirit and multi dimensional? No that great
Liked the idea of them still having to obey the...limits of the universe, not pretty much playing Sims 1-4
A because that just ruins them as the new ancient race.
"You killed us, and we have returned to seek vengeance" compared to,
"You killed our infinite interactive avatars of this universe, we mad now" the difference being that there really is no threat to the precursors of they aren't in the universe too
jolly furnace
Well them being unkillible is supported or implied by canon
and Warfleet
and Mythos
The have a very high potential high end for their civilization and powers.
Given their nature they go from Type 0 to Type V civilization and beyond
Yeah the Precursors are basically playing spore and sims in the 4 or 5th dimension
They are straight-up Lovecraftian entities
humble yacht
i hate to see it
jolly furnace
Well it is what it is
terse lava
Combination of medvial Europe and Norse civilization pretty much
You had warriors training, serfs working the land/waterways, and others crafting arms and armor
humble yacht
medieval Europe
Oh no
humble yacht
They weren’t the most sanitary
humble yacht
They also weren’t particularly progressive
terse lava
Still...you get what i am saying.
humble yacht
I think Thel is changing sangheili culture
Bringing them out of the dark ages, slowly
terse lava
Kind of
glass hawk
Just finished grasslands and omg amazing
grim gazelle
Outside of honour, i guess you could say it was europe even tho i dont rly think theres anything to suggest the elites were particularly unsanitary/backwards
jolly furnace
Elite culture - combo of Roman, Norse, Imperial Japan basically
grim gazelle
What elements of Norse?
grim gazelle
I thinks japans got that covered
gilded mason
The writer for the honor system outright said he got it from the Norse
jolly furnace
Only part of imperial Japan culture in there i think is the tendency for some elites to do a sucide charge at enemies
buts that it i think
gilded mason
Don't think that's Japan exclusive
terse lava
Yea the whole "banzai charge" thing does come to mind for that
versed helm
There's also the whole "I have dishonored my lineage for x reason! I must kill myself!" thing but im not sure if thats exclusive to old japanese culture.
versed helm
Ah, either way it comes to mind as well even though its not exclusively japanese.
terse lava
One other difference too people forget. Samurai could compose most of an army, where knights were the elite/high class compared to the general foot soldiers
reef estuary
actually I think seppukku was often the alternative to being beheaded
while it may have been committed voluntarily due to ones honour I think that was rarer than you'd think,
often also before facing imminent defeat, or a potentially much more brutal death,
you'd see similar things with real life spies during the cold war,
versed helm
I wonder what the relations will be like between them and the humans in Infinite. I hope it's good (unless ONI be their scummy selves) because I like having them as comrades, killing Brutes is more satisfying. I hate Brutes so much lmao.
peak estuary
Is the primordial still alive?
gilded mason
wonder what the relations will be like between them and the humans in Infinite.
I assume the SoS would be allies as always.
Is the primordial still alive?```
In his original body, no. He's now part of the Flood as the Gravemind, or somethingWell, I am unsure about that since ONI seem to want to ruin everything, Locke attempted to assassinate Thel and ONI have tried to sabotage Sangheili farms.
carmine sleet
I hope that we get to see some good and bad Elites in Infinite
gilded mason
Well, I am unsure about that since ONI seem to want to ruin everything, Locke attempted to assassinate Thel and ONI have tried to sabotage Sangheili farms.
The Locke thing was during the war, so it's pretty understandable
carmine sleet
Locke was going to be sent to assassinate Thel before the Battle of Earth broke out in Halo 2, things changed thanks to what happened in Halo 2 and Locke never went on that op
carmine sleet
Some people seem to think that Locke (Mainly the people who just hate him without actually looking into who he is) wants to kill Arby in current day but they haven't realised that the situation now is different to 2552
gilded mason
Luckily, ONI seemed to have realized it was really dumb. (a bit too late, but oh well)
carmine sleet
This is the thing, most shady government orgs will do things like that. I'd be more worried if they weren't because then you'd have no clue what they were planning
versed helm
Yeah, if I was a Spartan then I'd simply avoid them as much as possible.
Sangheili I mean.
carmine sleet
Aye, well many Elites dislike ONI anyway and would much rather speak with normal UNSC personnel
versed helm
I'd still avoid them.
Not that I don't trust them or anything but rationally I would just stay far away from them.
carmine sleet
Sounds logical but you never know who might be ONI. For all we know, Ostral could be secretly working for them
versed helm
So I would avoid them.
carmine sleet
Heck, even I could be an ONI agent and you wouldn't even know it
versed helm
You think I trust you?
carmine sleet
I'm not since ONI (Or at least Halo's ONI) isn't real but you get the idea
Well, we barely know each other, so it makes sense you wouldn't trust me
gilded mason
I'm playin' the long game.
carmine sleet
I knew it!
gilded mason
;)
versed helm
I doubt that the Sangheili would be friendly to UNSC personnel unless it benefits them in the long run.
gilded mason
Some, perhaps.
versed helm
Doubt.
gilded mason
I try not to paint all of a species under the same brush.
versed helm
Well as much as I like that race I know it has a completely different structure, culture and beliefs. I have an interest in medicine so they'd treat me like garbage.
violet notch
The Elites have already proven not to be a monolith in their own civil war. The Arbiter's reformed Sangheili vs. the Covenant remnant.
gilded mason
Many Elites are fine with medicine
They've even take different types of drugs while in the Covenant
versed helm
I'm talking about healing the sick and wounded.
Really frowned upon by warrior culture.
violet notch
That's a really broad generalization you're making though.
gilded mason
Silent Storm and Hunters in the Dark talk about Elites making use of medical facilities
violet notch
Just because a sci-fi/fantasy trope paints a race as being warrior-like in culture doesn't always mean that all examples follow all tenants of the trope.
gilded mason
Yup
versed helm
I wouldn't want to risk it though.
gilded mason
And, really, the not-liking-doctors aspect of a warrior culture only makes sense in a low-tech setting
versed helm
Still, this is a race that performed a mass genocide on mine and have very different aspects to how they live so I'd rather just save my time if I was in that scenario.
gilded mason
More for me, then. 😉
carmine sleet
Well, humanity aren't exactly innocent either
gilded mason
Neural physics saved him
versed helm
It's also why I'm afraid of what ONI will do to the already fragile truce we have with the Sangheili.
carmine sleet
Henry is actually an inter-dimensional traveller who escaped when his dimension hopping machine activated at the very end of that story
gilded mason
based henry
versed helm
There are some fireteams that contain both races, right?
carmine sleet
There's joint ops between SOS and UNSC, not sure if there's any permanent fireteams with humans and Elites though
gilded mason
I think the new one Gray Team is going into is
versed helm
If I was a Spartan in that situation then I'd have serious trust issues.
gilded mason
In this case, I think Gray Team would feel it's fine, considering.
carmine sleet
Depends on the Spartan really, some are less concern about what they're fighting alongside than others
gilded mason
Yeah
versed helm
I wouldn't speak to them much, just focus on the objective if it was me.
carmine sleet
Then you get Buck who considers Arby's Elites like brothers and I'm just like "Hell yeah!"
Plus Vale, she's one of my favourites in Halo 5 because of her knowledge about them
gilded mason
Some people didn't like that line, either in general or coming from him, but I was fine with it.
carmine sleet
Same here. Buck, while yes, wasn't happy about the Covenant trying to wipe everyone out, he didn't seem like the guy who would hate them in the post war era
versed helm
I respect Buck's stance, "Elites died for our planet, that's enough to prove that they're brothers to me."
gilded mason
That's a good way to put it
carmine sleet
Now, if it was Romeo who said that line, I'd be more likely to say "Wait, what?"
gilded mason
lol
gilded mason
rip reff and thon
versed helm
Huh?
gilded mason
Blood Line
carmine sleet
Redacted, you were referring to the comic about Black Team, right?
versed helm
Not right now, no.
versed helm
Really? One second.
gilded mason
Did you mean New Blood?
versed helm
Yeah it was that one.
My mistake.
Still, that book was pretty sad.
I'm reading Hunters in The Dark again because I forgot what happened.
I read it a while ago.
terse lava
Hm? What's going down here?
versed helm
I was just talking about how I wouldn't trust the Sangheili if I was in the UNSC.
And that I would just avoid them.
terse lava
Eh you see them working alright together now
Besides if it weren't for them, humanity would be doomed
versed helm
Of course and I respect that, then some of them formed the Neo-Covenant terrorist group.
So I wouldn't risk it.
terse lava
Blame ONI for that
hot nymph
Hello
versed helm
I blame ONI for many things in that universe but it doesn't mean I should trust that race.
hot nymph
Day 2 of me hating Mona Lisa
If it was written better I’d love it
But nope
The fact that highly trained marines who are about to search some sketchy prison vessel literally just receive formal orders on the way there and receive their order of March, ON THE WAY THERE
terse lava
Well it can be said the sangheili cant trust humanity
hot nymph
They were all doomed
They can’t
There’s been many attempts by oni to try and cripple the sangheili
versed helm
I don't expect them to trust humanity, none of my business.
hot nymph
Wasn’t it Rtas that shot down the oni prowler?
versed helm
They also sabotaged farms.
gilded mason
And the book Shadow of Intent takes it ever further
With him saying he's grown to hate all conflict and just wants to facilitate peace
terse lava
Mhm
versed helm
Thel showed empathy for the humans really early on in H3.
humble yacht
Sounds like another character we know....
terse lava
Except Chimera he only seeks to punish the san shyuum responsible for the schism
gilded mason
Reminds me that Halo 3 pre-release lore talked about how there was an ever-growing movement of Sangheili that were sympathetic to humanity during the war.
terse lava
Not a nujob AI
versed helm
Wait, really?
Reminds me that Halo 3 pre-release lore talked about how there was an ever-growing movement of Sangheili that were sympathetic to humanity during the war.
versed helm
Interesting.
terse lava
Yep
versed helm
Ah yes, N'tho, the co-op character.
gilded mason
Yeah
versed helm
He's in Hunters in The Dark.
gilded mason
Yes.
carmine sleet
I love that they brought both of them into the novel
carmine sleet
Like, they could've easily made up two characters but bringing them back helped make it feel more connected to Halo 3
gilded mason
Ye
carmine sleet
And yeah, more from their view would've been great
versed helm
I wonder if there's any dialogue between Marines and Elites in H3.
terse lava
Well only once do they fight together
warped gust
So I'm not very religious, but I still say "oh my God". Do you think any Ex-Covenant still say "By the Rings!"
carmine sleet
Yes
versed helm
Don't they say that in cutscenes?
versed helm
Apparently Clones treated each other like NPCs out of combat, was this the same for Sangheili?
terse lava
As in star wars clone troopers? @versed helm
versed helm
Yeah.
terse lava
No sangheili saw each other as brothers and kin even if it wasnt by blood
versed helm
I feel bad for them after 3 because some probably wanted to start that form of trend with the humans.
feral perch
I doubt it
terse lava
They saw humanity as a tough, honorable race sure but I don't think they would apply the same kinship to the humans as they do to thenselves
gilded mason
...And perhaps the one with a crush on Palmer
somber wave
wait what?
carmine sleet
I love that poem from Halo 5
feral perch
is that canon though?
versed helm
Easter egg.
carmine sleet
It is canon
gilded mason
Of course it's canon
somber wave
how have I never seen that
gilded mason
Why wouldn't it be?
carmine sleet
Well, you don't see it, you hear it
feral perch
it’s pretty ridiculous
gilded mason
Not really
somber wave
I'll need to find it on youtube
terse lava
I found it amusing
somber wave
man, I'm really behind on easter eggs in halo games lol
I know about 2
grunt on main menu and then the grunt on sanghelios that makes fun of everything
carmine sleet
I don't think the poem is really an Easter Egg, more just a cool thing in the world
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
Mhm
versed helm
I find it funny how split lip is an insult for them.
somber wave
There's a lot of insults for them
versed helm
I wouldn't insult one of those guys lol.
gilded mason
Squidhead is my favorite.
somber wave
well in the context of being at war with them an insult isn't really a big deal
theyre already really pissed at you for existing
versed helm
Yeah, after that the Marines looked terrified when in R'tas' cruiser.
terse lava
Well humans were called(besides religious insults) Neshum. A parasite
gilded mason
Oh yeah, Rtas, not R'tas. Just FYI.
terse lava
Also it was an assault carrier not a cruiser
somber wave
parasite? that one must have been before the flood
versed helm
Ah, see there are a lot of apostrophes in Sangheili names so I assumed that. My mistake, I thought it was like "N'tho".
gilded mason
No, they knew of the Flood for thousands of years
terse lava
It was used as an insult due to the first encounters with human soldiers, they thought the new alien enemies had exoskeletons with the humans inside being parasites
somber wave
huh,
carmine sleet
parasite? that one must have been before the flood
You don't always use the word "parasite" in reference to a literal parasite. Sometimes you can use it to refer to someone who is extremely difficult to deal with
somber wave
I guess
versed helm
Well the Flood used the humans as biological exosuits.
gilded mason
they thought the new alien enemies had exoskeletons with the humans inside being parasites
To be honest, I thought that was a pretty silly explanation.
terse lava
I like to assume they fought odst or something
versed helm
Well the Elites believed in the lies of the Covenant so I'm not surprised.
somber wave
You could see how that could be confusing in one of those three way battles though right?
gilded mason
🤔
terse lava
Plus you know, aliens
versed helm
Yeah, we'd assume that the Sangheili are cold blooded.
gilded mason
I meant more that every other species the Elites know, including themselves, can also wear heavy armor.
terse lava
Well maybe they first fought humans in actual exoskeleton armor. Never said it was a good origin for the term
versed helm
I thought that augments were better substitutes for those in this universe?
Like ODSTs have them for impact trauma and etc.
gilded mason
I don't think ODSTs have augments
terse lava
They do have implants, balls of steel 😛
gilded mason
Huh. Tried looking for a source a while back, but couldn't find one. Got a link?
somber wave
yeah getting flung from space onto the ground with nothing but a little airbrake would probably break your legs
versed helm
One second.
somber wave
at least anyway,
stoic hamlet
The ODST augment thing, we finally have a source?
last anchor
I like split lip better than "hinge head" honestly.
stoic hamlet
I remember multiple people (myself included) discussing it
But we could never find a source
somber wave
I've always been fascinated by drop pods and how they would work in reality
versed helm
Pod used to absorb impact that have a metallic parachute to slow down.
And I couldn't find a link, people are saying that they're not augmented but in New Blood I remember Buck mentioning something about receiving really light augments to absorb impact.
last anchor
I think that was him as a Spartan, ODSTs are unaugmented as far as we know
somber wave
why don't they use a parachute?
somber wave
airbrakes just seem more dangerous
versed helm
why don't they use a parachute?
Weaker, can you imagine plasma damage to tarpaulin?
stoic hamlet
Well, there are parachutes still
somber wave
I suppose but is there a reserve chute for when your airbrakes fail?
stoic hamlet
Airborne units use them
versed helm
I think that was him as a Spartan, ODSTs are unaugmented as far as we know
I remember seeing it mentioned before he was recruited by Jun.
gilded mason
I think that was him as a Spartan, ODSTs are unaugmented as far as we know```
Yeah, that's what I remember back when I was checking aroundI can have a look in the actual book later.
But I want to sleep soon and an internet based discussion isn't that important to me.
somber wave
it's mid afternoon where I'm at
versed helm
It would make sense to me since I remember him mentioning that in the book before he explained why the Brutes called them "imps".
@carmine sleet, sorry to tag you but you seem to be knowledgeable of a lot of Halo lore. Do you know if ODSTs receive minor augments for absorbing impact trauma?
carmine sleet
Ok, I am getting deja vu because someone else tagged me for the same reason ages ago. But no, they don't get any augments. They just have special training
versed helm
Strange because I remember it being mentioned in the book. I'll double check.
carmine sleet
Basically, the ODSTs are kinda like the SAS of the UNSC
versed helm
I'm aware of the tactics.
somber wave
how do they not black out from G force?
versed helm
Anyway, I get why people hate being tagged so again, sorry to bother you.
humble yacht
how do they not black out from G force?
training
versed helm
Maybe that's what the parachute is used for? That and special training?
somber wave
no one answered my question on if it has a reserve chute if the airbrake fails, do you just die?
versed helm
Astronauts go through a lot of G force training. I think Helljumpers receive a similar form of it.
no one answered my question on if it has a reserve chute if the airbrake fails, do you just die?
Highlily likely.
terse lava
@somber waveif I recall, Halo: The Flood said there is a 2and chute but it doesn't really do much
somber wave
ok, because in h2a cheif's airbrake fails and he doesn't care because he's a spartan, but I can't say the same for your average joe
versed helm
A Helljumper is not an Average Joe.
carmine sleet
ok, because in h2a cheif's airbrake fails and he doesn't care because he's a spartan, but I can't say the same for your average joe
The airbrakes don't fail in H2A
versed helm
Someone gets shot down though.
terse lava
Yea in halo 2 and halo 2A that's part of the design
somber wave
did I mistake them intentionally detaching as a failure?
versed helm
Yeah, you did.
terse lava
If the chute kept slowing them down they would be an easy target for AA
somber wave
I must be remembering it wrong, it seemed to detach way too early
terse lava
It detached in atmosphere
versed helm
After atmosphere penetration I think it detaches.
somber wave
seems like a long way to fall for having nothing but air resistance to slow you down, that and a big metal box
versed helm
They're dubbedas "metal coffins" for a reason.
terse lava
Mhm
versed helm
I kind of just see ODSTs as more ethical Spartan 3s.
humble yacht
ODSTs see Spartan 3s as job stealers
somber wave
as a side note what do you do when they use timed fuze shells?
bright briar
ok, because in h2a cheif's airbrake fails and he doesn't care because he's a spartan, but I can't say the same for your average joe
You might be thinking of the escape pod in CE.
"Airbrake failure, they blew to early."
versed helm
I think ODSTs have a case of "little man's syndrome" when around other Spartans in general.
somber wave
I know CE has an airbrake failure but they failed way closer to the ground and everyone except chief died
I'm assuming there must be something in the drop pods that do something special
carmine sleet
Those weren't drop pods in CE. They were life boats
versed helm
Yeah I was going to say, they seemed to be more multi-purposed if anything.
somber wave
I know
just kinda confused that odst can impact a lot harder and immediately start shooting
versed helm
Well, the pods could be automatic and that's why they don't brake early.
In comparison to the boats.
Joysticks are probably used to either manoeuvre the pod or manually override the brake.
somber wave
another question I have is does the covenant use timed fuze shells? or something similar?
In case you don't know, timed fuze shells are used almost exclusively in AA guns, basically they just explode in the air
versed helm
No, from what I've seen in games it's usually fuel rod based weaponry for that.
carmine sleet
The Covenant use plasma based AA weapons for allot of their AA guns, with some AA shades using fuel rods
versed helm
AA Wraiths use fuel rods.
carmine sleet
Aye, those do too
versed helm
If anything, the larger cannons used for AA seem to behave more like rail guns.
In Reach at least.
carmine sleet
They're still plasma based
somber wave
seems you could kill a lot more guys if you used them, wouldn't have to worry about accuracy as much
versed helm
Eh, kind of situational really.
somber wave
against dropships I think it would be good
versed helm
Fuel rods are pretty slow.
See the Covenant have really advanced technology but it's all mainly repurposed Forerunner tech so they do an awful job.
somber wave
fuel rods are kinda bad for AA
versed helm
Like the Wraith is such a stupid design as an example.
somber wave
I may just be nerding out, I find WW2 era AA guns quite interesting
a lot more complex than you might think
versed helm
People have their own interests.
stoic hamlet
Gameplay isn’t canon
somber wave
?
stoic hamlet
Fuel rods move much faster in lore
somber wave
oh, ok
versed helm
They do now?
stoic hamlet
All plasma does really.
They always have.
The games don’t do the lore justice at all when it comes to plasma weapons.
versed helm
I get that plasma does but I don't believe that for fuel rod cannons.
somber wave
That would be interesting for gameplay, having fast, hard to dodge plasma weapons,
carmine sleet
I feel like we have to constantly remind people of that fact, Eternal. Heck, just the other day, I had someone tell me they should base balancing off of lore
gilded mason
They wouldn't really be viable otherwise
carmine sleet
I could indeed and my head would hate it because it'd be too loud
versed helm
ARs would be snipers lmao.
stoic hamlet
It’d be amazing horrible
somber wave
plus plasma would dominate
versed helm
You could just camp with an AR.
stoic hamlet
You could camp with a plasma pistol.
versed helm
Get blasted in the face by shotgun across a room and etc.
somber wave
or get melted by a heccing plasma pistol lol
versed helm
Break your arm from swinging a gravity hammer.
terse lava
Just a single shot would kill someone from a plasma piatol
versed helm
Are they faster in the lore?
somber wave
someone should mod reach for that lol
stoic hamlet
Wraiths?
versed helm
Yeah.
somber wave
It would be pain but it would be fun sometimes
versed helm
Also Infection would end with a nuke lol.
stoic hamlet
Yes.
Also, they have two stages:
A 6x6 metre direct impact form the Mortar itself, anything inside that is instantly vaporized.
Plus a 20x20 metre heat/pressure wave that ruptured organs and flash-boils skin and fuses armour to flesh.
versed helm
Oh my...
somber wave
ahh artillery, so fun
versed helm
Yeah but a stupid design for a tank.
stoic hamlet
It’s not meant as a tank
somber wave
you could do all of that and be hidden behind a rock
stoic hamlet
It’s a propeller gun carriage
somber wave
self propelled artillery is a better term
stoic hamlet
Yeah
versed helm
Yeah, I'm aware but it's supposed to be the counter for the Scorpion in-game.
versed helm
That's why I said in-game.
somber wave
I wish the wraith could have an artillery sight or something so you could use it properly
versed helm
Then again, a large gaping weak spot big enough to fit a grenade is hilarious. Is that included in the lore?
stoic hamlet
Yes. It’s where it vents plasma, IIRC.
somber wave
every tank has it's weakness where you could jam a grenade in
versed helm
Thought so.
somber wave
scorpion has it's commander's hatch
versed helm
And the ventilation plate on the back.
terse lava
The Covenant likely have a proper type of tank but why waste it against this small heretical race?
somber wave
famous last words lol
versed helm
Because it's the same heretical race that broke the Covenant lmao.
With the help of the Elites.
stoic hamlet
Civil war did that
terse lava
It didn't break them. Truth did
stoic hamlet
Not humans
terse lava
Yea humanity did nothing really that could actually stop the Covenant. It was the loss of halo that provided Truth with the excuse to start his plans
somber wave
well humanity caused halo's destruction
versed helm
Yeah, they played a big role.
somber wave
humans are just another nail in the coffin for the covenant
versed helm
Honestly I'd say the Elites were.
terse lava
Would say it was more the flood that caused the destruction as it drew attention away from the human forces on the ring
somber wave
well, you get my point, the flood wouldn't have destroyed the ring themselves if it meant sacrificing their ride
versed helm
Humanity was important for foiling the Covenant's plans while the Elites acted as the final nail in the coffin to me.
gilded mason
Humanity was important for giving the Gravemind an easy-to-access ship. 🙂
versed helm
Also everyone forgot that the Flood got access to all of the past Arbiters.
terse lava
Really makes me feel bad for the Covenant at Delta Halo, seeing their "moment of salvation" as the ring lit up while the Flood ravaged the city. Then seeing nothing happen
versed helm
And then utter chaos unfold as the Flood is attacking, the Elites are exiled and the Master Chief is on board freeing prisoners.
terse lava
That would be happening before
versed helm
Wasn't it after the ring lighting up?
gilded mason
The ring lighting up was after everything except for the scene of John getting to Earth
versed helm
Ah, right.
Lore wise, the Warthog isn't really used for assault based tactics right? It's more of a reconnaissance vehicle?
terse lava
No it's been used in assaults before
Recon would best be left to mongoose units
Likly just evac with other military
terse lava
Yea
versed helm
And I think that Frank O' Connor gave his own idea on Twitter before.
I wonder, is the turret moved with two joysticks on the gun?
That sounds really impractical.
I thought that too because of the cinematic cutscenes in HW.
But logically, it would probably be joysticks.
Remember, these weren't introduced by Bungie lol.
I like the Wasp though.
At least that is not stupidly designed.
That's why we're not running around in mechs. Bigger hit boxes and bigger weak points.
I can only see them being useful for construction purposes.
Yes, I was about to mention that.
Jack Rabbit is also dumb.
unique rune
I mean I feel like practicality went out the window when the Warthog introduced its ridiculous suspension mechanism and super awkward windscreen with poor visibility
not to mention the Scorpion has the whole four separate tread sections going on
versed helm
It's a dirt bike with a grenade launcher.
And yeah, I wouldn't use a Warthog for combat purposes.
I'd rather use the Spade.
unique rune
Halo is a universe that operates on the rule of cool with a thin veil of practical that evaporates after a few seconds of thought
versed helm
That's actually one of Bungie's philosophies haha, the "rule of cool".
What is that?
unique rune
It has... something of that nature, probably?
I know there’s a flat rounded thing on there but I don’t know what purpose it serves
versed helm
What is that component?
Like a camera or something?
Yeah.
Ah reminds me of a map from MW2 lol.
I think it was called Dome actually.
*MW3.
They were also ripped off by James Cameron.
James Cameron actually ripped off a lot of Halo vehicles.
It's so obvious too.
Like the SA-2 Samson is so similar to the Falcon that it is almost criminal.
terse lava
Not really a ad thing since plenty of stuff was from Alien and other such movies
simple locust
So what is the difference between an Elite Ultra and a Spec Ops Commander? Do the commanders have grey as a second color and the ultras secondary as black?
peak estuary
Is hunt the truth canon?
bright briar
I believe so.
terse lava
@simple locustno, the Ultras can just be asssigned to either lead a squad or to a battlefield
stoic hamlet
Yes @peak estuary
It is canon
Aren’t Ultras more platoon/company commanders? @terse lava
terse lava
Seems to gave changed a little bit since ground command
dim roost
I never actually bought the Ground Command board game. But, I think it had some serious potential.
I think that if it weren't for Spartan Games closing down, they could've had more levels to show different battles on the ground.
crystal remnant
Just a question to clear something up for me. When Halsey recalled the Spartan IIs for operation red flag, she only mentioned 3 missing Spartans(Grey team), as they were too far away to be easily recalled . The thing that confuses me is why wasn't Jorge there?