If they merge into a new super infection, then I guess it's a draw?
#lore-and-universe
violet notch
humble yacht
necromorphs don't propogate through cells, though
humble yacht
only works when a marker is present
outside the range of a marker signal, necromorphs don't even move
reef estuary
that is true, also the markers influence would likely affect the flood
humble yacht
that's really the crux
if you introduce a marker to a flood infestation, would the signal beat out the gravemind influence
violet notch
So my cell vs cell in a petri dish is a bad example. But my point is. Whichever one ends up being the infector wins. And the infectee loses.
humble yacht
I'm sure a marker would convert a feral-stage infestation of flood, since feral stage doesn't have a centralized intelligence commanding them
reef estuary
not to mention the marker also affects dead creatures
slim thorn
But Gravemind got millions of memories collection through absorbing high-ranked and important person. Brethen Moons doesn't have such memories.
humble yacht
you don't know what brethren moons have
reef estuary
?? bretheren moons is literally what the gravemind is, but planet size
if anything its closer to the keyminds in the lore
slim thorn
If there was a third party like the Forerunner, Bretheren Moons may not stand a chance unless the marker was in the range enough to prevent Halo from firing. Considering the characteristics of Halo Array when firing, anything sentient and having biomass will be obliterated.
Another to curiousity is does Necromorph possess aerial units?
humble yacht
Brethren Moons themselves act like major marker signal generators
if anything, proximity to a brethren moon would be like the strongest signal ever
also remember that necromorphs don't need a central nervous system to function
a halo may not actually stop necros unless the halo could affect the marker and/or marker signal
reef estuary
parts of the necromorphs never die, they just become unable to function,
okay lore battle
zerg vs flood,
humble yacht
flood
reef estuary
reasons?
humble yacht
flood infection is more virulent and occurs at a deeper level
reef estuary
the zerg is also a product of a super cell that undergoes rapid evolution
versed helm
but flood forms have more adaptive forms
reef estuary
what do you mean by that
humble yacht
Also, afaik, zerg can't convert dead tissue
slim thorn
But they can be produced indefinitely, just like how Amon does.
reef estuary
they can also do stuff like turn infested forms into explosives,
humble yacht
so if the zerg infection is propogated by a virus, then at that point the question would be whether the flood super cell would be susceptible to infection
violet notch
This goes back to what I was saying. Who infects who?
reef estuary
hmm maybe the zerg are too adaptable
versed helm
depends
violet notch
The infector would always simply piggy back on the successes of the infectee.
reef estuary
and what I mean is that in WOL i think there was like a cutscene where they observed the zerg virus that was infesting terran colonists, and described its strands of DNA changing on a dime
humble yacht
that's exactly what flood infection is like
versed helm
if the flood finds the zerg first, the flood will infect it first
humble yacht
there's also a question of whether a zerg-infected flood would be disconnected from the flood hivemind
reef estuary
hmmm,
or vice versa
would it just be a batttle between two extremely powerful super psionics
humble yacht
the zerg is seperated into multiple broods, and different broods even fight each other
the flood is one
reef estuary
the zerg dont fight eachother if there's a zerg overmind
or a queen, because then she's basically beat the other broods into submission
humble yacht
Kerrigan had to use force, is what I'm saying
they didn't just automatically listen to her
reef estuary
no, but I wouldnt put kerrigan against the gravemind because lets face it she's actually just too powerful
humble yacht
she had to remove the leading power of other broods to command the rest
gravemind isn't a combat unit
in terms of intelligence, i'd put gravemind over kerrigan
versed helm
👀
seeing that kerrigan might not have absolute control, wont the flood take HUGE advantage of that?
humble yacht
Probably
Logic plague another brood into attacking Kerrigan
Come in later and mop up the leftovers
reef estuary
logic plague inneffective,
terse lava
Versus debate?
reef estuary
ye
terse lava
Who v who?
reef estuary
zerg vs flood
reef estuary
okay answer me this
humble yacht
42
reef estuary
Why doesnt the gravemind just logic plague everyone
humble yacht
It takes time
deep pewter
That would take forever
reef estuary
why doesnt he just go oh hey chief youre my mortal enemy logic plagued
humble yacht
But during the end of the forerunner flood war, logic plague was being spread amongst AI just by contact
So advanced level flood do kind of logic plague everything
terse lava
Dont forget the ability to warp and "infect" space itself
versed helm
yep
reef estuary
someone actually wrote that?
versed helm
they have forerunner tech
reef estuary
dude with this lore
versed helm
"infected" forerunner tech
reef estuary
nothing makes sense anymore
versed helm
but forerunner nonetheless
wait
is there any reference to the flood having precursor tech, besides the forerunner trilogy?
humble yacht
The flood controlled star roads
versed helm
but do we see them do that in any other lore, besides the forerunner trilogy?
humble yacht
Precursor tech only exists in the forerunner trilogy
It was all destroyed once the halos were fired
reef estuary
so why doesnt the gravemind just telekinetically pick up the key to fire halo?
humble yacht
Except for the domain, which repaired itself over time
Gravemind doesn’t have telekinesis
versed helm
cause you need HUMAN interaction to do it
humble yacht
At advanced levels, maybe
reef estuary
why?
deep pewter
Says you
humble yacht
Many disagree
terse lava
He cant do that's stuff because hes not as strong as during the flood war
humble yacht
Why you in the lore channel then? 
versed helm
lore is life, mi amigo
humble yacht
Halo lore is no more ridiculous than Kerrigan becoming a fire god
reef estuary
oh thats true, I agree with that statement,
i wasn't the biggest fan of that either
terse lava
No more silly then a race with no mouths either
reef estuary
no the protoss are cool
terse lava
And psychic to top it off
humble yacht
And it’s still more realistic than Star Wars
versed helm
or a gun with no muzzle
reef estuary
well I can see that, given that they can't eat physical foods without one,
terse lava
Only thing I never liked of them
Hm...could a sangheili zealot take on a protoss?(without psychic nonsense)
reef estuary
i mean if you wanna take the idea of their charge into consideration
I think maybe the zealot is too fast
terse lava
Maybe
versed helm
I play the games for lore ngl. I just redid Halo CEA-H3 with IWHBYD to get more info
deep pewter
That’s sure an odd way to get lore
versed helm
Just additional stuff is all
terse lava
IWHBYD skull doesnt really add anything per lore
terse lava
One wierd unggoy
hollow wraith
guy just wanted some food nipple
obsidian thistle
@terse lava you could argue random dialogue can add to canon. XD Just its not as common in the earlier games
Halo 3 did later off kill off a character from Contact Harvest. (Thanks Catalog lol)
terse lava
Fair enough CIA
obsidian thistle
That was a weird time lol
terse lava
Heh, come to think of it, did Catalog ever give where it was transmitting from?
obsidian thistle
Nope
Thats a mystery that has never been answered
All we know is its been active since late 2552.
Refused Guilty Spark stuff in around 2557.
And tried to contact a facility near/on Mars but was refused by the facilities AI in 2558.
terse lava
Darn, though come to think of it, Catalog was alive during the flood war correct?
obsidian thistle
This one was one of three that was activated near the end of the war
terse lava
Find it nfunny then, that through hibernation/stasis it was able to live so long. Yet the oldest normal forerunner we know of was Bitterness
quiet umbra
ye
abstract venture
Anyone remember defender of the storm from fractures?
Forerunners were so underwhelming in that
versed helm
Despite underwhelming forerunners, I could argue that the Precursors were the most underwhelming imo
terse lava
Well Defender of the Storm was written to be more similar to a normal human I'd say
I thought it was good
main rivet
Yeah I really liked it.
They shouldn't and wouldn't ever be the core of Halo, but I like stuff that takes place from the perspective of "normal" people.
carmine sleet
It's been some time since I read it but I did enjoy it
main rivet
Everyone by definition cannot be exceptional 🙂
fair hazel
theres a surprising number of forerunners that are alive/active in one form or another in present day or near present day
obsidian thistle
A better way to do it is to note every Forerunner alive post-Array firing.
terse lava
Almost kinda surprised the living forerunners have not interacted with races more, just to let the other races know they are around. Born only promised no more meddling.
humble yacht
Maybe they aren’t living anymore
obsidian thistle
Well they did isolate themselves.
abstract venture
There should have been a decent amount of them left alive
So they prolly survived
feral perch
crystal remnant
I have proof of you want me to dm it
Captain Keyes is actually the one who owns them
Well...
Owned...
barren star
RIP keys...
terse lava
Nah hes part of a gravemind somewhere
grave kraken
I got one, noble 6, dead or alive?
grave kraken
But, remember the easter egg?
past olive
what easter egg
unique rune
Even if there was an Easter egg... they really shouldn’t be taken at face value as proper canon.
carmine sleet
Can people just leave Six to rest? He's dead and ain't coming back
carmine sleet
They aren't going to bring him back from the dead in that novel
versed helm
we shall see
terse lava
That dumb spartan is dead and burnt to ash. Leave it at that
carmine sleet
Indeed. A story set on Reach does not need to feature a character that was created for Halo Reach appearing
And if a character from the game had to be brought in, I'd go with Colonel Holland, given that we don't know what happened with him and it would be nice to know what he was up to if he did indeed survive Reach falling
But even then, that would not be needed for the story
versed helm
any idea what it could be about, though?
reef estuary
would work if it was someone with a connection to the planet, 😮 heck maybe someone scavenged that AI from reach from some wreckage that managed to survive, those Ai's can exist in very small formats
keen canopy
Come on we're better than this surely
B312 has been confirmed dead so many times, by Bungie, by 343i, even in-universe.
@versed helm you've read ze synopsis right? Blue Team are going to Castle Base to retrieve something, presumably something related to Cortana, like a Halsey clone brain, or the slipspace AI experiment data.
versed helm
Noble 6 is dead in Halo New Blood there is mention of Noble 6 death
violet notch
Dudes, we see Noble 6 die on screen. Can't get any more canon than the primary source material for the franchise.
carmine sleet
If only that would stop people from demanding his return to the realm of the living
violet notch
How though? The excuse, any excuse they come up with for bringing him back would be so out-of-their-A that it'd be just plain effing stupid.
Y'all realize that it's O-K to kill off a character in a story now and again, right?
Just ask my man George R.R. Martin.
carmine sleet
Aye, seems like people forget that and it's also something that for the most part, Halo has been allowed to do. Johnson, Miranda and Jacob Keyes are all fan favourite characters that are staying dead (Johnson's appearance in HW2 is non-canon so can't be used as an example of him coming back to life)
Then there's Rookie as well, he's not gonna get brought back, that's for sure
violet notch
Johnson in HW2 is a DLC character just for funsies. That doesn't count, no.
carmine sleet
Which is why I stated it was non-canon
violet notch
Yep, and I agree. Sometimes characters die. And they stay dead. And Easter Eggs don't count. Sometimes characters come back, like Cortana. But those are usually set up in advance. Occasionally you get the out-of-their-A explanation for S like that, but it's still meant to be rare.
Let the dead rest.
versed helm
Seriously though I think it’s stupid that a book had to mention Noble 6 is 100% dead so people would believe it but I know most people haven’t done any halo canon books
Reading
carmine sleet
Problem is people don't believe he's dead still
violet notch
That's so dumb! You see him die on screen. It's right in front of your eyes!
humble yacht
i think most people who bring up the "noble 6 is alive" thing are trolling
I think only a very small percentage of people actually entertain the idea
versed helm
There’s no room for Noble 6 in the halo story anymore unless he’s somehow alive after all this evidence and canon books and hell even the game Halo Reach
Evidence that he’s gone
slim thorn
The others is Chips Dubbo and Stacker
violet notch
My favorite (sarcasm) theory is the RvB Easter Eggs are canon. Like the Marines in H3 are actually those RvB characters. And the audio files in the Spartan Ops mission in H4.
People trying to make RvB canon because of those Easter Eggs.
versed helm
Ou that’s my favorite 😂
slim thorn
There are lots of videos about RvB
versed helm
No but it’s cool they are in the game tho but definitely not canon because they kind of bend the halo universe to fit there way of story
carmine sleet
Red Vs Blue can't fit into the Halo canon because it's already contradicted it multiple times
violet notch
People still try
Lol, like the Elite's reproductive method in the ealier RvB episodes.
ornate rain
Will the next book (shadows of reach i think it was called) be a prequel to infinite?
humble yacht
in the sense that it takes place before the game, sure
versed helm
@ornate rain it will be a predecessor to halo infinite
Not really a prequel depending on what the book has to offer we don’t know if it ties in to infinite with what little knowledge there is gathered
ornate rain
Ok thanks!
versed helm
But definitely stated by 343i that it takes place after halo 5 and before infinite
slim thorn
But that doesn't mean the dialogue will somehow mentioned about it.
tall moat
https://www.halopedia.org scroll down for the did you know section :p
versed helm
I do not have access to the halo infinite chat why can’t I go in it anybody know?
agile dragon
The channel might be buggy for you, normally that clears up eventually
jolly furnace
So seeing earlier interactions - If something/someone is sapient, it is vulnerable to the Logic Plague. Its that simple.
I think Calalog was transmtting from Mars
And to paraphrase the Singing Grunt from that one TehSpearhead video - Noble Six is dead. Dead. Very, very dead.
Also the Domain only repaired itself over time because the Forerunners rebooted it during Promises to Keep. Which I think was a bit stupid and a bit of a cop-out
versed helm
The only way six can come back is in a novel that takes place before reach or it’s ending or as a reference in a game or...novel.
deep pewter
It’s so odd to see so many people out of the loop with what happened to him
versed helm
Idk but it’s not new
keen canopy
I guess it speaks to the fact that Reach did a really great job of putting you in Six's shoes. We all tried to find ways to escape the map because we just wanted him to live so much.
But somehow that evolved into people actually literally wanting him to be retconned into surviving, as if they missed the entire point of the game. The tagline is literally "From the beginning, you know the end." Literally the first thing you saw after you chose your color and helmet and started the campaign was the helmet you chose lying broken charred and discarded under a mountain. In the final level that mountain is in the distance alongside the PoA, signalling that as you fight towards your objective, you're fighting closer and closer towards your inevitable death.
prime python
So does Halo have any androids?
I could've sworn in a book somewhere there was a mention of UNSC using robots or something
last anchor
Robots yes, not so much androids specifically
Drones galore and load lifters but that’s about it
prime python
Haven't played HW2 so idk if they went far with that
full forge
I just kinda wished the deaths of noble team were a bit less pathetic imo
kat got onetapped, jorge died because the timer on the bomb broke in a universe with remote detonators on a ship with no shields, jun vibed outta there, carter got wounded offscreen and then killed himself, emile didn't see a zealot right behind him in a world with motion trackers, and six walked into the middle of nowhere to get himself killed in a last stand
and keyes totally could've picked up six after the cruiser got taken out
prime python
We all want to make our own ending
keen canopy
@full forge Noble were tracked by the Zealots ("could you track it?" "I could") who got Kat. It's war, not all deaths are heroic sacrifices.
jorge died because the timer on the bomb broke in a universe with remote detonators
It wasn't a bomb, it was an improperly-mounted slipspace drive. They had a timer to activate but it got shot at.
Jun is alive
I agree Carter being wounded took away from his death, but it was still pretty sick I reckon.
Six was headed to a rally point. He just arrived too late and everyone there, including (14?) Spartans, were dead. It was absolutely the right place to go though.
keyes totally could've picked up six after the cruiser got taken out
Did you not notice the 998989889 phantoms surrounding the Onager? And Six only took out the cruisers' main excavation beam, it still had all of it's point defense turrets, and it could continue to deploy aircraft. Keyes already lost a Pelican picking up the Package, there's absolutely zero chance a Pelican could have picked up Noble Six without either being shot down, or compromosing the PoA.
keen canopy
Right, it sounded like you thought he died offscren, since you started with "I just kinda wished the deaths of noble team were a bit less pathetic" and then mentioned Jun.
You have a point about Emile and Carter's deaths I reckon
They definitely could've been done better
They both had pretty sick last words though, I just wish Emile gave that last Zealot more of a fight initially, and that Carter was fully healthy when he decided to yeet the scarab
stiff scarab
we deserved a badass fight scene with emile going ham on some elites
atleast he took one down with him
keen canopy
He took more down right? Lemme check
full forge
I fully agree with all of this.
keen canopy
Yea, it looks like the second one was cloaked, or jamming his radar some other way
full forge
Wasn't cloaked, you could see him jump out of the phantom :/
keen canopy
Yea definitely a lapse in awareness to not turn around there
Fix that and the scene is fine IMO
like just have him turn around, but too late, he gets a sword to the chest, then the same thing happens
stiff scarab
tbh if we get more that aint based around mc i would love a game where your sgt johnson taking out rebels
and or noble 6 going around taking rebels
we only fight rebel troopers in halo wars 1 in like multiplayer which isnt even canon
keen canopy
I agree playing as an ONI spook taking out rebels would be a sick game
Doesn't necessarily have to be as B312, would be awesome to play as a HCW era Headhunter or as a Gamma in the postwar setting
radiant sphinx
@keen canopy In regards to your point regarding the cruiser still being functional after having its glassing port taken out (I never noticed until the MCC release), but if you look in the background of the cutscene as the Autumn is launching, the cruiser crashes on its ventral surface, crushing the hangars carrying any extra aircraft and hindering turrets from firing
I completely agree with your points nonetheless
full forge
i want halo last light 3
simple locust
So what is the Color of Bero Kusovai's armor? Halopedia says Blueish Green.
carmine sleet
Blueish green
simple locust
@carmine sleet Is it the same color as the Halo 2 Spec Ops elites or different?
versed helm
a game where you take out innies would be cool
what about a game from the pov of an insurrectionist
oh wait in forward unto dawn or w/e there was some video about unsc troops and innies fighting together against the covenant right?
what if there was a game from the POV of one of those guys
first contact
carmine sleet
That video seen in Forward Unto Dawn wasn't the first contact with the Covenant
First contact between humanity and the Covenant was seen in Halo Contact Harvest
twilit swan
my god I have waited 10 minutes to talk about Harvest
I would and have always loved the idea of seeing the first contact war at harvest. I know Halo Wars gets pretty close since it pre-dates Reach but it would be so cool to see!
Ahh Just kidding, those messages were from 5 hours ago...
stoic hamlet
Well I mean, I don’t think the events would take well to the typical halo game
They’re better left as the book depicts them
twilit swan
I agree the books were great, but I really enjoyed playing a game like ODST where you were following the warpath of Chief and fighting for your life as a regular soldier, not a super roided out Spartan.
I would really love to see another game like that, especially if it meant seeing harvest
hot nymph
^
I agree with this
And I’d much rather it be from an even more grounded perspective
Since ODSTs even are special forces
stoic hamlet
ODST was a terrible implementation of that idea though I Know what you mean.
No reason it has to be Harvest. There’s Actium, Draco, Jericho, Meridian, Bliss, Biko.....etc
hot nymph
Even on some of the worlds we’ve seen already
Maybe have like a comparison of
Spartan and marine perspectives
Shed light on the grittier side of things
twilit swan
ODST was a rough game to be sure, and the overplayed A LOT of story elements, but the combat was great and the feeling of being just some guy fighting for his life and for his planet was awesome. The reason I think Harvest would be so cool is well, we pretty much lost. In every other game the good guys win but I think an almost "Reach" style version of Harvest would be awesome
stoic hamlet
But gameplay wise ODST didn’t really portray that.
hot nymph
I agree eternal
stoic hamlet
The gameplay didn’t really change at all from how you’d play a Spartan
stoic hamlet
You even still had an energy shield technically
hot nymph
Yeah
I think a first contact type of situation where the unsc dont know their enemy entirely would be awesome
twilit swan
I'm not saying I want a game exactly like ODST, it wasnt that great. I would just love to see an expanded version of what happened on Harvest is all. Whether through the eyes of a Marine, ODST, or Spartan-III. It doesnt even have to be a game, I really enjoyed "Forward Unto Dawn"
stoic hamlet
IMO ODST should have been like Arma almost in terms of wounds and the like.
You just shouldn’t have been able to melee period unless you got the drop on an enemy. Stealth should have been the priority, not a terribly implanted gimmick. Enemy troops should have been terrifying, even a single grunt, etc.
hot nymph
Spartan 3s weren’t a thing during harvest
stoic hamlet
Spartan III’s would be too similar to II’s. Even in SPI they were slaughtering elites on an open field.
Also that, yeah
twilit swan
Sorry Spartan-II's
stoic hamlet
If we’re gonna feature a game without a Spartan protagonist it needs to be more of a tactical game. Slower paced, more methodical.
hot nymph
Or even a scientist
Like what’s her fave
Face*
Who’s the halo ring lady
Halo wars 2
twilit swan
Halsey? Or Anders?
stoic hamlet
Ellen Anders
stoic hamlet
You could do an Alien Isolation type game where you’re a civvie hiding from an Elite
stoic hamlet
Or even a Jackal
radiant sphinx
Nah, an elite would be terrifying
radiant sphinx
Like that scene in FUD
twilit swan
Well I doubt, sadly, that 343 will backtrack on the lore far enough for us to see anything like that. God, I remember being so excited when the "HALO: 3" live action trailer came out because you got to see the Marines perspective
hot nymph
Yeah
hot nymph
Yeah but jackals aren’t very physically imposing
stoic hamlet
To a Spartan
radiant sphinx
But even then jackals don't compare to xenomorphs
hot nymph
Okay to a civilian yeah
stoic hamlet
But we’ve seen single Grunts disembowl people with ease, jackals are faster than most people can react to in CQC, they have claws, etc
hot nymph
Yeah
There’s no like
oh let me fight this elite
Sort of feeling
It’s an elite you can’t throw hands with that thing
twilit swan
"Wort, wort, wort!"
radiant sphinx
lmao imagine going 30 w an elite
twilit swan
Ah, yes, death it is then
hot nymph
LOL, imagine in a movie it’s like a completely silent long take of someone sneaking through a hallway only for the silence to be broken by a jumpscare of the elite going ”WORT WORT WORT”
That would be terrifying
Something like that
Like
This may be a far stretch
Yk hunger games mockingjay
When they’re in the sewers
And there are those creature things
Swarms of them
Could be something like that
twilit swan
I dont know man, I feel like in "Forward Unto Dawn" when you hear that energy sword turn on is a butt puckering moment
hot nymph
Yeahhhh fud was a good movie
stoic hamlet
That’d fit jackals more than Elites. @hot nymph
radiant sphinx
The huge clank of their armor when they walk is what gets me
hot nymph
Yeahhh I agree
twilit swan
I think we can expect more short films and movies in the future, but god can you imagina a surround sound headest and you just hear ***thump, thump, thump...
energy sword noise outside your locker
twilit swan
Oh god the asian guy, whats his name
stoic hamlet
I’d love a game where you’re an Innie on Mamore and Spartan III Alpha Company are Hunting you.
That’s nightmare fuel right there
hot nymph
I wanna see a movie about the assault on the covenant refinery
twilit swan
outside locker
hot nymph
300 Spartans
radiant sphinx
The Insurrection War has so much creative potential
stoic hamlet
They can punt mechs across rooms, snap limbs with ease, are expert marksmen, totally Silent.
And they’re invisible to all the sensors.
hot nymph
Not in a book
stoic hamlet
**** that noise. I’d take a bullet before I had to deal with that as an Innie, lol
radiant sphinx
I'd love there to be a series of stories from the insurrection war that culminates to the covenant invasion
hot nymph
I just think there’s a lot more to be explored in the halo universe
From the forerunners and how they fell
twilit swan
good point, I would love to see the moment the Insurrectionist stopped and realized "oh god, what are those things?! Please help us UNSC!" mid firefight
twilit swan
I am still excited to see Infinite but I am worried it will be a nostalgia hype
radiant sphinx
I've got faith
twilit swan
since it's supposed to be the first ring I think
stoic hamlet
It’s installation 07 most likely
twilit swan
Don't get me wrong, I have a Halo 3 tattoo and everything, I play tons and love the series obviously, but I do worry about the future of the franchise
stoic hamlet
The only remaining ring from the original Array.
stoic hamlet
Mhm
twilit swan
Either way, I still have doubts. Of course I hope I am wrong and it turns out to be a great original installment in one of my favorite IPs but I still worry they will play on the nostalgia hype
radiant sphinx
How much are we betting on there being a warthog run
hot nymph
They are going for a different approach to the storytelling
twilit swan
I can't wait to pan my camera up and see that ring like I did the first time in CE but I want it to feel different ya know?
hot nymph
I haven’t played the halo 5 campaign in a long time did they have a warthog run there?
radiant sphinx
Sorta, on Meridian
hot nymph
Oh yeah
twilit swan
It wasnt the same
twilit swan
Ya know what? I'll say it. Halo 3 had the best warthog run.
radiant sphinx
Seeing the ring in CE was such a novel feeling. I bet they'll flesh it out even more with the slipspace engine, wildlife, and more land features
radiant sphinx
And the fact that terrain appears to adjust based on the art
hot nymph
I’d say Halo 3 takes the cake
twilit swan
one thing I want to ask yall
and i genuinely want you to think about your answes
What, in the absolute hell, is the point of Osiris Team in halo 5
hot nymph
Plot device
twilit swan
RIGHT?!
twilit swan
Of course we all love Buck, that goes without saying
radiant sphinx
Vale has an awesome backstory
twilit swan
And after watching "Nightfall" I know Locke earned his place
hot nymph
I never really got invested with Osiris
twilit swan
but just
hot nymph
Obviously Buck and Locke
unique rune
All of them have potentially interesting backstories, Halo 5 just does absolute bugger all with all of the characters involved
hot nymph
Yeah
twilit swan
"Chief! Drop your weapon!"
Chief proceeds to not drop his weapon
Chief proceeds to YEET Locke
like
I had such high hopes for that scene
hot nymph
I recoiled from my tv
When I saw that fight
Think right
A seasoned combat hardened spartan 2
In an even fight with a Spartan 4
twilit swan
Chief = Chad Spartan II
radiant sphinx
I'm not a huge fan of the covenant vehicles that have been introduced
hot nymph
Exactly
twilit swan
Locken= Kyle Spartan IV
radiant sphinx
The Kraken is strange
twilit swan
Locke*
radiant sphinx
and the Lich is just an oversized phantom
hot nymph
The kraken was probably there for the wow factor
twilit swan
The Kraken was... difficult to understand
deep pewter
The fight itself is lore accurate, the problem is the choreography
radiant sphinx
Locke should have been more agile
hot nymph
Chief should’ve been much stronger also
radiant sphinx
I love the comparison between them being an M1 Abrams vs an F22
hot nymph
Think of it like Ovarin Martell vs the Mountian
deep pewter
John shouldn’t be noticeably stronger than Locke
hot nymph
Except less exaggerated
radiant sphinx
Locke could have had the upper hand for a moment but Chief could plan a striking blow
deep pewter
And that’s what happened
hot nymph
I feel like
twilit swan
I will never forget the moment he cracked chiefs visor
deep pewter
Locke got a couple good hits in, John won in the end
hot nymph
That could’ve been a good character point for chief
Kinda humanises him since he’s getting older now
And is even with a spartan 4
A younger more agile guy
Am I making sense or is this just a flop
Lol
twilit swan
Chief: ......Guess he'll die
hot nymph
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Idk
I feel like if chief is still his usual self he’d have dominated that fight
deep pewter
There’s no real reason to believe that
twilit swan
I mean, I love chief but he is pushing 50
hot nymph
I mean if you look at the augmentation the training the overall quality of the spartan 2s and 4s
Yeahhh
That’s what I was saying like maybe a good arc for chief would be to like
deep pewter
SIVs are stated to be relatively equal to SIIs
twilit swan
Relatively is the key word
deep pewter
Gen2 MJOLNIR makes up most of the gap between augmentations
radiant sphinx
I hope Infinite sheds light on the health consequences of augmentation
hot nymph
Yeah
deep pewter
Relatively, meaning John wouldn’t have dominated a fight
twilit swan
oh god right?
radiant sphinx
I'd imagine Chief's body wouldn't respond well with age
humble yacht
The health consequences are all pretty much positive
Spartans are theorized to have extended lifespans and health spans
twilit swan
He is pretty much a middle aged man in a cybernetic exoskeleton thats been outlawed as a violation against god haha
unique rune
Problem is none of them have lived long enough to really find out
radiant sphinx
But considering Chief is one of the oldest spartans, there's stuff that may not be known since they haven't aged completely
hot nymph
Yeah
twilit swan
Life span sure, lets recount the MULTIPLE major injuries he has sustained
hot nymph
And the fact that he’s fell from space multiple times
radiant sphinx
I'm not sure I'd be into spartans having an extended lifespan. Seems too good
humble yacht
Better get used to it
radiant sphinx
Theorized
humble yacht
I said theorized but it’s been mentioned in the lore somewhere
hot nymph
Tanaka, Palmer, all that lot
radiant sphinx
I mean I'm fine with it
hot nymph
They never had the same sort of purpose
radiant sphinx
Just health would be a cool avenue to explore
twilit swan
He has: Fallen from orbit twice, rode a shock wave of a Nuke in nothing but armor, been shot GOD KNOWS how many times, allegedly been stabbed by an energy sword, crushed by multiple falling vehicles, EXPLODED by multiple vehicles, and my personal favorite been flushed into the vacuum of space at least... 5 times?
hot nymph
Noble team
twilit swan
God bless his medical insurance
radiant sphinx
Chief has an affinity for floating in the vacuum of space
hot nymph
Wasn’t he also strangled by a brute?
hot nymph
If that brute had succeeded in killing John
Do you think humanity could’ve still won the war
twilit swan
nope
deep pewter
I really like how Buck compared the Spartan classes, saying they SIVs are Demi-gods in comparison to the gods that the SIIs are
twilit swan
God bless buck
unique rune
I don't particularly like that comparison because it's... really not accurate.
hot nymph
Buck is hands down my favourite spartan 4
humble yacht
Buck’s assessment is biased by personal experience
twilit swan
excellent, you start tomorrow
humble yacht
He’s not an accurate narrator
twilit swan
To be clear
radiant sphinx
Someone recently got really pressed about SIVs being considered spartans. They're not SIIs, but they're still spartans imo
hot nymph
Yeah
twilit swan
he literally followed chiefs warpath through New Mombosa, witnessing with his own eyes what a single spartan II can do
deep pewter
They’re definitely still Spartans
hot nymph
It’s kinda like the RAF
Nah I’m jokingggg
Spartan 4s
As seen by like
Spartan ops
Are very formidable
What was it like one fire team took out a compound of covies? I can’t remember exactly what happened in spartan ops
unique rune
he literally followed chiefs warpath through New Mombosa, witnessing with his own eyes what a single spartan II can do
Not really... especially considering it was after the Solemn Penance jumped to slipspace in-atmosphere, causing even more damage.
humble yacht
Yeah
unique rune
I don't think he ever actually went through the areas that Chief did either.
hot nymph
Nope
twilit swan
There are multiple scenes where you are wandering through the already desolate streets strewn with bodies commenting "What happened here?" and they are specific areas from Halo 2? I could be wrong though, it has been a minute
humble yacht
You are wrong
hot nymph
No
humble yacht
There are no shared areas
humble yacht
That too
twilit swan
I feel like I remember one really long, awful street full of Jackals in Halo 2 that you see in Halo ODST? No?
humble yacht
No
hot nymph
Nope
humble yacht
Odst takes place in downtown new Mombasa
Jackal alley took place in the outskirts of the city
hot nymph
Yeah
twilit swan
No No, youre right, It was a bunch or alleys and right after you link up with he marines yeah
my mistake
He was definitely commenting on the dead brutes
hot nymph
Yeah
humble yacht
Dead elites killed by brutes
hot nymph
Skirmishes involving elites and brutes
humble yacht
Though only we know the brutes killed them
twilit swan
Still though, Spartan II's were pound for pound far superior to the Spartan IV's.
deep pewter
Out of armor yeah, in armor no
hot nymph
Yeah
unique rune
Cost-wise... maaaaaybe not.
hot nymph
I wanna see that Chief vs Locke fight outside of armour
deep pewter
John would win easily
hot nymph
And it’ll trick John into showing us his face
twilit swan
Mostly because of the literal war crimes committed against them to genetically modify them. And yeah, armored up makes sense because like, what, are they gonna make less bullet proof armor?
humble yacht
They’d have no reason to fight outside of armor
hot nymph
Unless he decides to fight with his helmet on
Yeah of course but hypothetically chimera
twilit swan
Jokes on you, hed fight naked with a helmet on rather than reveal his face
humble yacht
I doubt the integrity of your reasoning behind wanting to see that fight
hot nymph
@humble yacht I just want to see chief wipe the floor with Locke, obviously it won’t fit into any canonical lore but it’ll be a spectacle lol
humble yacht
That’s what I thought
hot nymph
Yeah
Obviously the two wouldn’t get out of their armour and throw hands where they were
unique rune
Del Rio was just doing his job
hot nymph
He just clashed with everyone del rio
deep pewter
If John had just turned over that chip we wouldn’t be in this mess
twilit swan
I just
hot nymph
Both parties thought they knew what was best
humble yacht
I don’t think he was a bad character
twilit swan
You ask chief, you dont tell chief
humble yacht
Not every character is supposed to be likeable
twilit swan
Thats fair, but I feel like they did not properly build up his authority for me to take it seriously
hot nymph
Obviously chief has a reputation for being hyper lethal however he still has to respect the chain of command
He can tell chief if he wants to
twilit swan
The whole interaction just felt like a farce to me man, I understand chief was most certainly wrong but Del Rio wasnt really built up enough in-game for me to feel like he was at all important
hot nymph
Lol Yk what I agree
I think a certain amount of character building needs to go into him first before he’s put into positions like this
Otherwise he’s seen as the generic kinda unlikeable general
twilit swan
exactly ^
humble yacht
Lol good luck waiting for character build up before following order in the real military
deep pewter
I feel like there’s more to Del Rio than there was to Keyes
twilit swan
^FAIR^
hot nymph
Oh yeah of course
I’ve been there
Respecting the chain of command is my deal but to the casual player
unique rune
He was established as the very by-the-books type of person from his introduction in Halo 4 so it never bothered me too much
humble yacht
He was more a politician than a military commander
And that came through in his demeanor
hot nymph
Agreed.
twilit swan
The part that upset me so much was just that I feel like he could have been such an Anti-Hero in Halo since he opposed what chief was doing but instead he was a one off character that served no purpose other than opposing chief in one scene only to be replaced next game
hot nymph
As someone of his prestige should already know there is still respect that is to be earned both by the officer and whatever body of men he or she commands
Yeah like the NCOs who make things deliberately hard for the main protagonist recruit cliche
twilit swan
Let me elabortae
elaborate
As soon as he returns to earth he is removed from command for abandoning chief... Chief who disobeyed direct orders... like... WHAT
stoic hamlet
....my message is still there, yeah?
hot nymph
What message
twilit swan
I just felt like his character could have been so much more. Like, a grounding force saying "No chief, that is not how the military works"
hot nymph
That’s probably a no if I had to ask
humble yacht
Because Del rio was more a ceremonial appointment to infinity crew
stoic hamlet
Cool, figured. It’s there for me, but I got a message from the bot
humble yacht
It’s not like he commanded troops during the war
humble yacht
He wasn’t godsmacked by Spartans like others in the UNSC
stoic hamlet
Del Rio was in a terrible position though. He was screwed either way.
Also, John wasn’t the most sane looking at the time.
twilit swan
FAIR
stoic hamlet
Most UNSC officers weren’t fans of Spartans
Or at least, the more career military weren’t.
twilit swan
It just didn't feel like he was even a plot point, especially since he was replaced with Lasky right after in H5
Who, again, serves little purpose
humble yacht
Ah yes, career military is a good description
hot nymph
I think this is an iffy one
humble yacht
Del rio is an example that the UNSC is not only full of honorable people. It’s a normal human organization
There are people in it only to go up the ladder
hot nymph
To me he represents not envy but kinda repenting...ness idk
twilit swan
That's... Actually a good point. I never really thought about them humanizing the in-game world
humble yacht
I mean, that’s what halo 4 was about in many ways
hot nymph
And then being greeted by these super soldiers who had landed there
humble yacht
Grounding the halo universe in a more human way
humble yacht
Take away the impending threat of annihilation and humans go back to being greedy and corrupt
twilit swan
I guess I am used to the Sgt. Johnsons of the game. You know, the "What we will give them, is a belly full of lead and a pool of their own blood to drown in! AMIRIGHT MARINES" Kind of mentality
stoic hamlet
I meant that description more for those like Gibson or Ackerson (though he’s more iffy) even Yevgenny. Those who feel that while the Spartans are exceptional warriors, their absurd costs and favouritism by certain other individuals is an insult to regular personnel.
humble yacht
If everyone were sgt johnson then it wouldn’t be realistic
It also would make johnson not special
hot nymph
@stoic hamlet the fact that they’ve seemed to have landed onto their podium whilst regs had to climb up
I get what you mean
stoic hamlet
Yeah
hot nymph
If everyone were chips dubbo
Oh boy
The covies would be finished
Soiling their purple undies
humble yacht
Tl:dr, being a one off character or an unlikeable character doesn’t inherently equal bad
Heck, regret and mercy were one offs and hardly likeable
hot nymph
But they were also bad
hot nymph
They rose to power through the covenant to maintain a lie
That would subsequently mean the end of life
All sentient life*
twilit swan
I entirely forgot about Mercy
humble yacht
They were bad in the sense that they did bad things
They weren’t bad in the sense that they were badly written
humble yacht
That’s what most people mean when they say “bad character”
hot nymph
I usually called them badly written characters
That’s just me
I should’ve known
Lol
But yeah
twilit swan
I guess I never really though of Del Rio as a humanizing aspect, mainly because he was only in one game only to serve the purpose of opposing chief. Thank you for the counter points and giving me something to think about
hot nymph
Yeah
He’s the reality check
The first in the whole game id say
There’s no conflict with the oc in halos 1-3
Or in halos reach and odst
twilit swan
"Sir, I am going to throw their bomb at them in space" Lord Hood:...Yeah sure fine
hot nymph
Exactly
stoic hamlet
The “instant heroes” is part of why Ackerson dislikes Halsey and the II’s.
He was a regular rifleman, or at least a low level officer who went into ONI not because he wanted to, but because he felt he needed to to keep the species alive.
IIRC Captain Gibson and his combat teams are struggling for funding, but Halsey’s getting all of it for her II’s.
In Oblivion, there were several situations which should have seen John punished, but because he’s part of the super rare super expensive Spartans, and Halsey’s golden child, he’s let off the hook, to the anger of other officers.
Del Rio is someone who in Halo 4 sees John not as the hero who saved humanity, but as an old, not entirely sane soldier.
humble yacht
Or someone that threatens his status as head honcho
stoic hamlet
Which is why I think fans disliked him so much.
A lot of more casual fans have this idea that John can do no wrong and that he should always be trusted 100%
But we’ve been shown time and time again that he’s not infallible, and that he does make mistakes.
Regarding Del Rio? @humble yacht
stoic hamlet
Maybe. I admit I Don’t see it. It could have been a part, but Del Rio did have good points.
It wasn’t all ego, I don’t think.
hot nymph
Del rio is a higher rank, so naturally when it comes to the chain of command then nobody should challenge him
But when chief has earned the respect that he hasn’t
Is what causes a problem
humble yacht
Nothing is ever 100% one thing
hot nymph
It’s one thing to have chevrons on your chest
It’s another thing to let people know you’re capable
Of having them
humble yacht
It also didn’t help that Chief questioned him multiple times. I could see del rio taking that personally
stoic hamlet
If you actually step back and look, John has literally only his word that what he says is true. He has no other intel or way of explaining himself other than “I saw this thing”.
And considering he had been in cryo for 4 years, with a rampant AI in his head, I can’t really blame Del Rio for not trusting him, tbh.
hot nymph
Yeah
humble yacht
I was talking about the general attitude
stoic hamlet
Oh I know. And I do agree
hot nymph
In that case both could’ve handled it better
humble yacht
The response to insubordination was, objectively, warranted
twilit swan
Heyo guys, I have been having a bit to drink and typing is getting kinda hard. Are y'all cool if we continue this in General Discussion 1 so I can avoid egregious typos?
humble yacht
The fact that lasky and Palmer didn’t arrest Chief is probably exactly what he was worried about
hot nymph
Agreed but not really to the extent that was shown
It’s a defining moment that
Because it shows that despite his position of power
stoic hamlet
I’m just saying the scene isn’t as clear cut as many fans would believe. A lot of people, no matter the medium or fandom, tend to take the protagonist as the 100% always correct point of view. That because they’re the main character they must be right and everyone should just listen to them.
But that’s not always the case.
hot nymph
He doesn’t truly hold control over the situation
humble yacht
Well sure, we side with Chief because he’s the protag and we have history with him
hot nymph
Yeah
humble yacht
Doesn’t mean Chief was right
stoic hamlet
They both were right and wrong
hot nymph
Both had good intentions I think but with misinformation and just misunderstanding
humble yacht
Chief was wrong in the sense that he defied orders and technically could have been court martialed
hot nymph
Yeah
humble yacht
He was right because plot
twilit swan
Well they did send a team to arrest him so...
humble yacht
Uh, I don’t think they did
hot nymph
He would’ve been court marshalled had Palmer and lasky arrested him
Yet again
He’d win the case
humble yacht
He walked off the bridge with no resistance
hot nymph
Yet again
humble yacht
And nobody was chasing him down in the hanger
hot nymph
They can just walk up to him and arrest him
What’s he gonna do?
Fight back and make things 10x worse?
hot nymph
The true plot of halo 5 is del rio wants revenge and that’s why Osiris is after him 😂
twilit swan
I always interpreted it as they had enough of him doing what he wanted, and that he was a bigger risk acting as he please
humble yacht
Senators don’t command spartan fire teams
stoic hamlet
Osiris were going to be sent after Cortana IIRC
humble yacht
Nah, they sent Osiris after him specifically to stop him from contacting Cortana.
stoic hamlet
Yeah, but originally I think they were the team going to be sent
humble yacht
Halsey was extremely worried about the two meeting
hot nymph
For good reason
humble yacht
What if Osiris had captured blue team on meridian? Would vale had been useful to the mission? Her expertise only mattered as a plan b
twilit swan
I thought Osiris was dispatched specifically to bring chief in for going AWOL? I guess I always figured it was because of his actions in H4 that made the UNSC realize he had gone rogue. Again, I could be wrong
humble yacht
Well of course they’d only tell Osiris part of the story
hot nymph
Yeah
A lot of the stuff regarding cortana would be covered with black ink
For obvious reasons
And chief too
For even more obvious reasons
twilit swan
Well that makes sense, since once they realize just how absolutely off the rails things are they join forces without question
humble yacht
Buck even noted that the mission didn’t feel right. That usually comes with lack of info
twilit swan
IDK, I guess I need to replay H4 (Unfortunately) and H5 to refresh my memory
hot nymph
I mean what more do they need to know than the:
-whereabouts
-training
-number of enemy
-eta to their location
humble yacht
H4 was a fun game with a nice story
I’d much rather play it again over some other halos
hot nymph
I think with what 343 had to work with
twilit swan
I do remember Buck saying something to that effect but again Buck is biased in the fact he sees Chief as a Hero
hot nymph
Halo 4 came out pretty good
I’m not saying halo 3 was bad
It’s my 2nd favourite mainstream halo
So
humble yacht
Lol, buck has mixed feelings on Spartans
Remember that ODSTs felt that Spartans took their jobs
hot nymph
Yeah
humble yacht
And buck was an odst
hot nymph
Lot of resentment between them
As you do get
There would’ve been resentment between different regiments
twilit swan
Halo 4 had great gameplay but I still rank it as the worst of the Halo Franchise. Still a fun game and god knows I have plenty of hours logged but I dont think it was all that great
twilit swan
I will give 343 credit for how they expanded the universe where Bunjie kept it all contained
humble yacht
I’d rather play 4 than 5, 3, or CE
hot nymph
Really?
humble yacht
Really
hot nymph
I get 5
humble yacht
Eye roll
hot nymph
But why 1 and 3?
humble yacht
Because they aren’t perfect games and their flaws didn’t age well with me
hot nymph
Fair enough
twilit swan
I can understand that, but you have to give them credit for the time in which they were created
hot nymph
Please I’m not having a dig or anything it’s just you’re the first person I’ve seen say that
twilit swan
^
hot nymph
So I just wanna hear your opinion (:
humble yacht
I loved halo 3 as a kid. But that’s probably because it was my only Xbox game for a year
humble yacht
Halo 4 came out and made Chief an actual character and I was like “neat, I like this”
humble yacht
That’s what 343 has been trying to do
hot nymph
More character building more of a background
Yeah
I see that and it’s one of my favourite aspects
Of the 343 games
I do love what they’re doing character wise
humble yacht
Just gotta hope that the “empty shell” fans don’t influence 343 too much with their feedback
hot nymph
Please elaborate
humble yacht
Bungie’s Philosphy with characters was making them empty shells for the player to inhabit
humble yacht
That’s why you hear some people complain about Chief talking too much in halo 4/5
twilit swan
I remember playing "Sierra 117" with my brother when I was 8 years old. I always thought it was the most fun level of any video game I had played because it felt so huge. It had story telling aspects, great combat areas, and just felt fun to play. I remember thinking about Chief as a "Silent Hero" who didn't need character arc or development to me awesome. His whole goal was to save humanity, no matter the cost and I felt H3 portrayed that the best. I totally understand how a lot of people feel that he needs to be more fleshed out to stay relevant especially after his 5 game tenure, but to me he is equivalent to "Doom Guy" in the fact that it doesn't matter who he is, he is the hero and thats all that matters.
hot nymph
I don’t know I kinda liked that aspect but I can see where you’re coming from
Like yeah it’s cool to have an imagination and your own vision of what this person may have looked like or what not
humble yacht
Doom wasn’t exactly known for being a story driven game
hot nymph
But at the same time if you wanna flesh out your characters then it’s not the right path to take
And fleshing out characters is what halo really needs
In order to make it perfect
Like if we had the same depth as we do now with say chief or arby
But in halo 2-3
Easily
The two best games ever made
twilit swan
Agreed imo
(Side Note: DOOM's environmental and datapad based storytelling was amazing)
unique rune
We got pretty good character-building in 2 with Thel.
Too bad he was relegated to just being co-op buddy for 3 and Chief was flat the entire duration of 2-3.
gilded mason
Indeed
humble yacht
I wonder why Bungie decided to make Thel an actual character but not Chief for halo 2, yet both were playable
twilit swan
To be fair, there was an incredible amount of events happening in 3
hot nymph
@humble yacht maybe because people failed to empathise with the covenant as they did with humanity
gilded mason
To be fair, there was an incredible amount of events happening in 3```
Eh, not really much, from what I remember. A lot of the first half was kind of filler.Yeah, a lot of waiting for truth to uncover the portal
hot nymph
To be fair he really took his time didn’t he?
twilit swan
The flood invaded Earth, the CV activated a slip space in earths orbit, Chief blew up a halo ring, and the Covenant completely collapsed
what?
humble yacht
Took like 4 levels
gilded mason
That's all in the second half of the game
twilit swan
just because the levels were not super long, doesn't mean the events themselves weren't important though
I mean the slipspace got an entire game ref: ODST
hot nymph
Yes here I am, the high prophet of truth finally at my final goal sitting in my chair, yes there is a human, also next to me whilst I sit in my chair. Here I go, this human will begin to move slowly to the activate button, easy does it now, what’s that a pelican? Oh no! Ahh here I am pulling out my spiker
And it goes on
gilded mason
I mean the slipspace got an entire game ref: ODST
You talking about Halo 2?
humble yacht
Oof
humble yacht
Wrong slipspace event
twilit swan
Yes Sorry, it all happens in a quick bit
as previously stated I have been drinking so I apologize for timeline discrepancies haha
hot nymph
I think the story of halo 3 was fine though tbh
Truth finds and uncovers the portal to the ark
gilded mason
It's more spectacle than anything
hot nymph
They go through
humble yacht
I thought it was fine but I’ve heard people call it among the weakest
gilded mason
I thought it was fine but I’ve heard people call it among the weakest
👋
twilit swan
X to doubt
hot nymph
Halo 2 to me in terms of story
humble yacht
Is that an offer to high five?
hot nymph
Is my favourite
humble yacht
Halo 2 has nice narrative on the covenant side, especially. But some levels are drawn out
gilded mason
Is that an offer to high five?```
Just a to show that I'm among the latter. But I'm fine with a high-five, toobut Sangheili only have four fingers on each hand
humble yacht
Oh, I’m not high fiving even if we agreed
gilded mason
but Sangheili only have four fingers on each hand```
Well, until 343 stop bein' *racist*, that's all I got. 😥Down with Dinos
gilded mason
wude
humble yacht
Anyways, outskirts and metropolis could have been one level
Quarantined zone stuff could have been condensed too
humble yacht
Gravemind and high Charity
Or they could have just cut out filler
But they needed to pad campaign length
I’m just not a huge fan of levels that are essentially “get from here to there” with nothing critical occurring in the story
hot nymph
Well nothing critical needs to happen it’s just the standard response
Deal with the high risks in the city
humble yacht
Every level should advance the plot meaningfully
hot nymph
The covenant is “invading” so they’ve gotta deal with it
gilded mason
Every level should advance the plot meaningfully```
Agreedfellas, fellas, I think we can all agree that the most useless halo game is Halo Wars 2. Yeah thats right, I said what I said
humble yacht
You could have combine outskirts and metropolis, cut out a lot of the travel time, and the story would have not changed
It was one level split into two for time padding
hot nymph
Yeah but how accurate would that be technically
humble yacht
Accurate?
hot nymph
Let’s go to this point and wait for the ccs to slipspace
humble yacht
We shouldn’t have to wait on anything to occur in the plot
Everything we do should be relevant to the plot
humble yacht
Killing the scarab was good
humble yacht
But pretty much all of outskirts was filler
hot nymph
See the thing is
Even us as a player
Didn’t know the intentions of the covenant
Let alone the unsc
What they had to do was defend earth
humble yacht
I don’t want to do grunt work in games
humble yacht
That was a clear objective with high threat level
hot nymph
Yeah
humble yacht
And also not something other people could do
hot nymph
And it was part of the defence of earth taking out key targets
twilit swan
Alright lads, I am gonna head out but feel free to add me on XBOX @classiclmad and I would be more than happy to play through any of your favorite HALO games
humble yacht
Navigating through streets and beaches Just to make it to a bridge to then be told we going to get the scarab was just filler
unique rune
After going through Metropolis as part of the PC flight recently I think the bit with the Gauss Hog could’ve been safely left out with little consequence
keen canopy
Chimera, they all feel like single levels because they literally are
versed helm
oof
humble yacht
Maybe the game could have had us go after the scarab immediately after it attacked us
hot nymph
Which it did
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No
hot nymph
We just pursued it on foot
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Thanks to sources like The Complete Untold History of Halo article, Halo 2 Colllecters Edition videos and Marty's IGN interview, we more or less know how Halo 2 was supposed to happen.
- Cairo Station
- Covenant Ship (replaced by the bomb cutscene)
- Earth City (split into Outskirts and Metropolis)
- Alpha Moon (reworked into The Arbiter and The Oracle, environment geometry reused for Quarantine Zone)
- Delta Halo (split into Delta Halo and Regret)
- Sacred Icon (split into Sacred Icon and Quarantine Zone)
- Forerunner Tank (cut, gondola geometry reused for Quarantine Zone)
- High Charity (split into Gravemind and High Charity, originally ended with a warthog run (very similar to Halo CE's) onto the Dreadnought)
- Uprising (split into Uprising and The Great Journey)
- Forerunner Dreadnought (cut)
- Cut Level on Earth (Concept art showed Marine forces finding Chief in the desert. It likely would've been something like Arrival and Tsavo Highway from Halo 3 combined.)
- Cut Level on Earth (The Portal Artifact you see uncovered in Halo 3 was originally the Ark itself. Marty's description of the final level included battling multiple scarabs on the surface of the artifact, with both the Arbiter and John, and aerial battles occurring in the background. Basically a much cooler version of The Storm combined with the Citadel assault section of The Covenant)
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It spent a whole level for us to rally up with other soldiers
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Build an appropriate reaction force
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And so what, Halo 3 did the same with Tsavo highway
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I mean in the end it’s useless
keen canopy
it's not a bad thing
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I don’t like it