keen canopy
Also, here's the exact numbers for what I was talking about earlier:
The project was initially granted funding for 300 candidates, though funding was later reduced to half this number.[4] By 2517, 150 suitable candidates had been identified through DNA gathered from the UNSC's Outer Colony vaccination program, though funding had been further reduced to support only half that number. 75 children, all around six years old and of both sexes, were kidnapped.
round comet
i think
all this
was explained
in dr halsey's personal journal
i read it like a month ago
seriously
it has everything
midnight loom
oh.
tulip pivot
I have a question
humble yacht
ask it
tulip pivot
how is it that the humans never found the portal below new mombasa?
humble yacht
it was well hidden
and also it needed a keyship to work, which humanity did not have
tulip pivot
so without keyship you can't see it?
humble yacht
without the keyship, the portal wouldn't even activate
the real question should be: how did the forerunners ever expect humanity to find the portal if they buried so deep that it took multiple glassing beams excavating for 1+ days to uncover it?
tulip pivot
when humanity went to war with the covenant they were not at the same technological level as ancient humanity so maybe when we would get there it would be a lot faster to dig up
versed helm
forerunners knew how to mess with humanity
obsidian thistle
Plus even if humans did find a shred of evidence it was there. They'd need a ton of permission to rehome a lotta people.
violet notch
So, something always bothered me.
In the ending of Halo 3. 343 Guilty Spark looks right at Master Chief and says "you are Forerunner."
Then we get to Halo 4 and they change their minds and say nope, the race dubbed "Forerunner" are a different race than Humans.
Is that seriously just a retcon? Or did I miss something. Because honestly, the Forerunner and the Humans being one and the same was A LOT better narrative.
Is it possible that from a certain angle, a certain point of view, you can bend some of the facts, without wholeheartedly breaking them, and just say that Forerunner could also be a catch-all term for any of the dominant spacefaring races pre-Halo firing?
deep pewter
343GS was rampant by the time the events of CE-3 take place
humble yacht
Technically Bungie decided forerunners were a different race by halo 3
(Even if I preferred when they suggested humans and forerunners were the same)
violet notch
But if you squint really hard at some technicalities. You could make the argument that the definition of the components of the word "forerunner" could apply to the Humans and the Forerunner. A capitol 'F' vs. a lower 'f' kinda thing.
round comet
yes
versed helm
or it could be that chief has forerunner geas imprinted on him
which could also explain the seemingly unbelieveable forced evolution that happens H4
fair hazel
All the geas we know are forerunner in origin.
fair hazel
Do you know what a geas is actually
deep pewter
We don’t have any basis for the idea that the Librarian could’ve implanted a geas into a specific person eons after the fact
versed helm
an imprint or a part of a person's consciousness is what i've been believing this whole time
their soul, in other words
or part of it, anyways
deep pewter
Nice theory, no backing
versed helm
thats kinda what happens, right?
like, at the end of the ancient human-forerunner war
the librarian "harvests" their consciousness
deep pewter
On a much more general level, I’m pretty sure
Implanting it into a single person of the species is where the problems in the theory come from
fair hazel
That’s not whay the definition of a geas is
fair hazel
A generations-long genetic command which can nudge or persuade individuals or generations into a planned destiny.
versed helm
then what would you call Forthencho's imprint inside Chakkas?
that seemed more like a genetic memory than command
what im trying to say is that same kind of imprinting was done in Chief's ancestral lineage
humble yacht
essence, maybe
versed helm
yeah
i guess it can be called a sorta geas, cause it still is deep genetic imprinting
On Requiem, a personality imprint of the Librarian activated John-117's Composer immunity in order to allow him to defeat the Didact, who planned to enslave all of humanity with the Composer. It was indicated she did more than this, saying she was going to advance his evolution by activating his geas, telling him she had left humanity many gifts, of which the Composer immunity was only one. The Librarian also said that the Master Chief's evolution through this geas was the result of a "thousand lifetimes of planning," but never got to tell him exactly what she was planning for.[2]
personality imprint is the thing its called, apparently
fair hazel
an essence stored using a geas
versed helm
so, an essence is a geas, but a geas MAY be an essence
humble yacht
transitive property?
fair hazel
No.
fair hazel
An essence is like the digital remains . I’m trying to see how to explain it.
fair hazel
let's say a soul. essences were used before composer mind you, but not retain the same degree or, personhood in a way? how do i explain
violet notch
a shadow, or reflection?
humble yacht
digital imprints like those of the Librarian retain her memories but not her consciousness
violet notch
kinda like how Cortana is based on the brainscan of Dr. Halsey, but isn't Dr. Halsey herself
humble yacht
sure
feral perch
Eh that’s stretching it
humble yacht
i was thinking more like how when chief was flash cloned, chief couldn't see through the clone's eyes
the clone was its own entity
violet notch
Only if Cortana was made to at least act like she was a reflection of Halsey
which she wasn't
but the general idea is kinda close
versed helm
so, a digital clone?
humble yacht
it's like the opposite of the Warden, which is one consciousness that can exist in multiple bodies at once
midnight loom
well, "become a shadow of your former self?"
i mean, the composer was to.... compose the masses
and without much caution at that
humble yacht
composers were different in that they digitized everything
midnight loom
compsing ppl one by one in essences was much easier...
humble yacht
i think it's possible composed essences included the consciousness
humble yacht
yes, but there had to be something addtional that the Composer offered, otherwise it was just a more violent method of making digital clones
violet notch
technically it offered immortality
violet notch
except were they really clones?
midnight loom
cus like "zap oh no our continent is gone"
versed helm
they werent clones
violet notch
or were they those that were composed, transformed
versed helm
they were cut and pasted ppl
humble yacht
wth is this guy talking about?
violet notch
I think they weren't clones, they were transformed
midnight loom
oh!
humble yacht
continent gone?
midnight loom
llike mass human AI making!
versed helm
something of that sort, yeah
midnight loom
🙂
midnight loom
yeagh
violet notch
i mean, you do kinda lose your... for lack of a better term, you lose your humanity
gilded mason
After all, if it only made a clone/twin, it'd defeat the entire purpose that the Forerunners desired
versed helm
aye
midnight loom
hmm
versed helm
why make a copy when you can just zap the original
midnight loom
ye haha 🙂
wait
it was made to deny mass from the flood
while not rlly killing the ppl zapped
versed helm
from the human's point of view, it did
midnight loom
hmm
violet notch
I was just about to type that
midnight loom
yeah but you can get another form
jolly furnace
The only thing that differs between Composers and other sublimation/pattern extraction methods the Forerunners used long before that it seems is the Composers use of Neural Physics in its workings which the Forerunners didn't even understand anyway. Its not clear what benefits or deficiencies this may have caused.
humble yacht
Seemingly it allowed for consciousness transfer in addition to transfer of mementoes and personality
jolly furnace
They already had that though it seems. There armor could even store their consciousness in addition to their physical brains.
Its not really clear right now.
Whatever the difference it would need to substantial in hindsight given everything the Composers can do and were intended for could already done with other means it seems.
humble yacht
All I know is that when librarian died from the halos, she didn’t close her eyes on earth and open them again as a digital imprint left on requiem or elsewhere
jolly furnace
No she didn't. She disintegrated like all the rest
The AI stuff was in place prior to that
humble yacht
On the other hand, when Didact was composed, he probably opened his eyes in whatever digital space was set up for composed essences
Rather than being copied
jolly furnace
Who knows
I don't think Composers copy.
Though essences can be copied after
Didact is either in Domain or somewhere else
humble yacht
If the lore were consistent, he’d be in the abyss
jolly furnace
Yeah but i doubt that
obsidian thistle
Escalations = He be composed and contained.
Waypoint = He be digitized and contained.
Halo 5 = He be in the domain.
Halo Adult Coloring book = He be in the domain thinking about his wife while contained.
humble yacht
maybe the abyss is Domain-adjacent
that would bring everything together
not quite the true domain but just outside of it, where Warden could see them but still deny them access
violet notch
Blocked by a firewall
obsidian thistle
I can buy that.
midnight loom
hmm
clever fable
Ur-Didact isn't whitelisted in the Domain's firewall. Feelsbadman.
midnight loom
xdd
safe siren
Quick question: The ark did ever recalled a ring for repair? I remember something about it in the forerunner trilogy, but i'm not sure
midnight loom
well, i think they just make new rings
carmine sleet
I'd have to dig into it, Silver but something we should note is that Installation 03 is still missing after Static took it to be repaired back in 2557
keen canopy
@safe siren Rings can repair themselves without relocating to the Ark. Rings are often located in systems with moons, asteroids and satellites that raw materials can be extracted from by Sentinels
humble yacht
If I03 relocated to the ark for repairs, then someone would have seen it there
hadn't the unsc had a presence on the ark in the years before the banished showed up?
keen canopy
since around 2555, yep, though a permanent base wasn't established until 2557
humble yacht
what i mean is, if halos had to go back to the ark for repairs, someone would have noticed it on the ark and notified the UNSC
you don't just ignore a sudden halo showing up in your atmosphere
keen canopy
Yep no doubt
Wouldn't be very efficient really. Either the damage is small enough that it can be repaired by it's own sentinels, or the Ark's foundry just builds a replacement. I doubt there's a middle ground
There's also the theory that the Ark keeps an almost-finished Ring in it's foundry at all times
humble yacht
that's a weird theory since it took... 4+ years for I09 to pop out when I08 popped out in less than a year
even if you take into account the amount of time the ark was damaged, I09 took way longer to come out
i know I08 came out premature, but only by 3 days
keen canopy
It took 4+ years to pop out yes, but the Ark was also busy repairing itself, as we see in Hunters of the Dark.
And Installation 08 was 3 days from being ready to fire (not 3 days from being finished) less than three months after I04's destruction. That's super quick
humble yacht
ready to fire seemingly means complete
since a premature firing worried Guilty Spark
but even if you take into account HitD, by the end of that novel, wasn't the ark repaired?
keen canopy
I disagree, but it doesn't really matter anyway. Ready to fire after less than 3 months, finished after less than 3 months, it's still super fast
Nah it was still being repaired
keen canopy
Obviously it's just a theory and I don't actually lean either way. It's certainly possible I08 was built from scratch in 3 months, and the reason I09 took years is that the Ark was busy repairing itself
It's also certainly possible that the Ark keeps a partially-completed Ring in it's foundry, and that's how I08 was ready in such a short time. And then I09 took so long because it not only had to be built from scratch, but the Ark was also busy repairing itself.
jolly furnace
I mean they could rack out Death stars in 5 mins if Rama or Octavians cals on Spacebattles is correct
abstract venture
It's correct, there's not much depth to it
versed helm
What does the native Unggoy language sound like?
keen canopy
Exactly how it sounds in Halo Reach and Halo 4
dim roost
Forerunner repair and production is super fast
@jolly furnace Faster than nanobots?
crimson steppe
it could very well be the scale that is represented. Maybe percentage wise, it isn't but on a case by case system, it is potentially
fair hazel
did someone say scale
crimson steppe
yes
the scale of repairing using forerunner tech which we don't know a great deal about or nanobots
midnight loom
hmm
jolly furnace
@dim roost
Forerunner teach uses nano-construction
Point is Forerunner production capabilities should be absurdly fast in general
crimson steppe
most definitely, hence why i mentioned scale.
fair hazel
watcher sentinels can make crawlers out of the raw materials of the ground below
crimson steppe
which is hella awesome provided they dont immediately try and kill us
fair hazel
one aspect I find cool about the knights is how, they can deploy this 'mini army'
a knight comes in, he gets his watcher out, who in turn gets some crawlers out. And maybe a turret.
So you've got from one single knight, maybe like, 5 additional enemies and a turret
fair hazel
they're built
crimson steppe
I really wish it would show more in game play more, like if they created a shallow pit where the crawlers appear
fair hazel
underneath
midnight loom
yeah
crimson steppe
it would be cool, and you were able to catch the meaning so it doesn't really matter
midnight loom
ye
versed helm
a promethean always travels with his gang
main rivet
Regarding installation creation times, it's also worth pointing out that the Ark's monitor notes that the central planetoid is largely depleted; presumably much of what's left is not useful mass. It might have been a resource issue as well.
tiny bay
On the topic of the installations, does anyone remember the meddlers
carmine sleet
Yes, many a conversation has happened surrounding who or what the meddlers are
obsidian thistle
;) You are welcome.
Though tbf they were a rare topic before I brought it up with folks who made vids
violet notch
The only one I remember using the word "meddlers" is Guilty Spark in reference to the religiously zealous factions of the Covenant.
He used it in the context of that they were meddling with things they didn't understand.
I know he used it in Halo 3. In the cutscene after Chief and Arbiter bring 343GS to the Ark's Cartographer. After he says, "oh my!" They're attacked by a Phantom. And GS pleads at Chief that "the meddler will destroy it all!"
humble yacht
Halo CEA introduced a different set of "meddlers" who arrived on I04 long before the covenant and UNSC showed up
violet notch
The ship that crashed on the ring in the Terminal Cinematics?
humble yacht
yea
violet notch
I would hardly call them "meddlers" though. None of them ever even survived the crash.
Let alone get the chance to "meddle" in anything.
humble yacht
GS probably used the term meddler to refer to anything that wasn't a reclaimer
jolly furnace
Meddlers is a term used to refer to any species that have meddled in his installation.
Its not referring to any singular species
gilded mason
Did Spark use meddler for them in the terminals? I don't remember
jolly furnace
Not to my recollection
violet notch
I don't remember him calling them that either.
humble yacht
what other meddlers could CIA be talking about then
violet notch
I don't think that term was used though.
gilded mason
Them. But What Ridley is saying is that it's a misnomer for the mystery aliens
jolly furnace
He even calls truth a meddler in 3
gilded mason
Because Truth is meddling
jolly furnace
Yeah
violet notch
Yeah, in 3. But Truth is actively meddling.
jolly furnace
Some seem to have misinterpreted meddlers as a specific species which they are
not
He even calls covies meddlers in 2
violet notch
The crashed ship in HCEA Terminals never really fulfilled the definition of the term. So yeah, I'd say it's an inaccurate label for them.
gilded mason
He even calls covies meddlers in 2```
Because they were meddlingThe crashed ship guys did nothing but crash and die so they didnt meddle
gilded mason
Yes
jolly furnace
Point is Meddlers is not a specific species as some seem to think
and espouse on YT and elsewhere
gilded mason
I don't think anyone here disagrees with that part, as far as I know.
gilded mason
oh, were you talking of the sarcophogus?
Yes.
crimson steppe
cool, I think it is a really interesting thing considering that it had to be an extragalactic species
and considering how hopeful guilty sounded in the original terminals before rather than after the meddlers, it is extremely interesting
obsidian thistle
violet notch
Ya missed our entire conversation, lol
obsidian thistle
There was a species Spark encountered after that crashed ship
crimson steppe
who knows, it could be that now they are members of the covenant fringe
violet notch
Calling them "meddlers" is a total misnomer.
gilded mason
A primitive, hegemonizing swarm calling itself The Covenant has landed on installation 4. Apparently seeking something specific. Exploring! Meddling! I've seen it all before. They'll record what they see and they'll leave.
This part?
violet notch
We're bemoaning that
obsidian thistle
That other "species" deffo made Spark lost hope after he was hopeful after he made the sarcophagus over the crashed ship.
I mean why else would he threaten the PoA when it got near?
But yea meddlers is only a term I use as thats what (even in a minor way) they do
jolly furnace
Fair enough but some people made videos or state the term is referring to a specific species as fact in Halo nowadays
I wonder how many species did find the ring though after the crashed ship guys
gilded mason
27.3
violet notch
Calling them "meddlers" though is a completely fabricated name. Not even 343GS uses that term even once in that cinematic.
Someone in the community inaccurately coined that, and it spread.
humble yacht
wouldn't be the first time
obsidian thistle
Ya know that person was me right. 😅
I wouldnt use it on the wiki. But its a great term to describe all the aliens and what they have done (again even in a minor way) in a casual way.
Way easier than saying "unspecified sentient aliens" each time we have to discuss them lol.
jolly furnace
Not blaming you CIA but others have taken it as fact and continued to use it as such from what I've seen on forums and videos and reddit etc. People still ask to this day who "the Meddlers" species are and if we will ever seen them someday.
humble yacht
well, in situations where you actually see that mistake being discussed, go ham on correcting, but in this case that mistake wasn't made
jolly furnace
Im just correcting a misconception
humble yacht
i get that, but i'm saying that no one here had that misconception this time around
you were preaching to the choir
jolly furnace
Might as well make sure
humble yacht
it's like, i don't go into the "there is no storm covenant" spiel unless I see someone say "storm covenant"
jolly furnace
I dont do that either
I thought someone had misinterpreted meddlers here so i moved to correct it. It wasn't done so its not an issue. So we can move on
I have a magazine i bought which first mentioned Storm covenant in it
Also one of them mentioned Faber as the villain for some reason
Also one of them said the Prometheans we encountered considered Requiem sacred ground and didn't want the coives there either.
jolly furnace
Yeah I know that. But that old magazine made it sound like the Prometheans or forerunners still retained their full consciousness inside those machines and were attacking of their own violation due to religious belief that Requiem was holy to forerunner warriors.
Not the case in the game
and expanded lore we now know
I still have that magazine
versed helm
So how would the Flood return?
Like, after chief detonated the unfinished halo ring on the ark?
@versed helm
bright briar
The Flood already came back from the detonation of 08, but were somewhat stopped by the Banished.
versed helm
Not Awakening the Nightmare
Because chief didn’t kill the flood with that, the flood still has some local outbreaks, but they’re not nearly as dangerous because banished + no gravemind anymore
Without a gravemind they lack actual coordination
bright briar
Yup.
versed helm
What if there was some Flood Research Facility out there that wasn't discovered both both the Covenant and UNSC
bright briar
There's still the danger of Flood on other Forerunner facilities, but I'm pretty sure not many people would be as careless as in the past when opening doors that are clearly locked for a reason.
versed helm
^ And since there’s no gravemind that we know of, the flood is pretty well contained
True
But you can't be too careless
There you go
The UNSC had protocols for it all now
*has
The Flood would return in full force one way or another
To keep dumb people from doing dumb things
No, if they can’t collect any more biomass, then the flood is dead.
True
That was the forerunner plan, but someone decided to keep a specimen of the flood
coughs Mona Lisa coughs
bright briar
The most likely scenario I can see happening is if some pirates, Covie splinter group or something similar came across the Flood and repeated the events of CE.
versed helm
tfw space dust turns your pets into zombies, kills a 3rd of your race then begins the greatest horror the galaxy has known
I think Halo infinite might have the flood, it shows a broken halo ring, possibley flood on the halo ring, gonna get loose, and Ive heard rumors of Jhonson surviving halo 3, I dont think thats true though becuase jhonson's body mustve gotten destroyed in the blast.
Johnson is definitely dead.
Yep
RIP
RIP Jhonson
F
If not from the explosion, his neural matter would be destroyed due to the Halo ring.
F
But I think he died from the explosion, it’s what he wanted anyways
bright briar
There's also the big fall when the platforms fell.
versed helm
tfw the sole reason humanity winning is truth’s fault
Any body else have the feeling halo infinite might possibly get cancelled due to covid-19? I mean they are working on it at home so there is hope.
It’s definitely delayed.
Not cancelled.
I hope that Halo Infinite is good
I’m going to get hate for admitting this but, Halo 4 wasn’t that bad as everyone says. It’s not on par with the originals, but it isn’t terrible
It's average at best imho
The multiplayer was bad though
Anybody realize that 2020 is the worst year for people but the best year for gamers? We Got Half-life alyx, halo infinite, Final fantasy 7 remake, Crysis 1 remake, and resident evil 3 remake, and doom eternal, All the best classics coming in the time were gamers get to stay home all day XD.
^
That and Bannerlord
Bannerlord, the game mount and blade fans have waited ten long years for
I love/hate this year
bright briar
And Ori, too.
versed helm
Yep
Rip bot
What role would the Innies play in future media?
It has been a bad year for the uh, youtube scene. Carson drama and all
Once this whole Created crisis is over,could we see Venezia trying to pull off some stuff,like expanding its influence to neighboring worlds?
bright briar
Venezia is more of a hub for outlaws, so I'm not sure if a governing body would spread out to other places, but I can see individual groups trying to influence other planets' populations.
bright briar
Sedra's still under the control of the UEG, so I'm not sure what they could do to expand.
However, they might not be a priority for Cortana and so they could have some leniency between when she takes over fully and when Earth is shut down. Though the UNSC apparently stored some arms as it was at the front of the Insurrection and they might be willing to use those to fight back.
abstract venture
Do we know what armor Fred's wearing in Last Light?
Noone ever mentions him changing his Mk 6, Naomi's wearing Mk 7 at the same time and the Spartan 4s exist so Gen 2s active also
keen canopy
"The meddlers" ✅
"The Meddler" ✅
"The Meddlers" ❌
It has never been used to refer to a specific species. Just any non-reclaimer alien species. And it's only ever capitalized if he's referring to a specific individual.
"Oracle? Great Journey? Why do you meddlers insist on using such inaccurate verbiage?"
humble yacht
Mark VII came before GEN2 (technically Mark VII was the last model of GEN1). Mark VII was the basis of GEN2.
round comet
i think it was the last planned mjolnir project
tats what halsey said in her personal journal
humble yacht
But it didn’t get past the prototype stage because it was too expensive. Ultimately the foundation of Mark vii was used to make the GEN2 line instead
stoic hamlet
Yes
versed helm
do you think the Ancient Humans had a chance at facing the Forerunners, if we weren't facing the flood at the same time?
keen canopy
I don't think so. AH-San Shyuum alliance would get rolled either way
versed helm
Did you guys now there was 2 unreleased halo games? One was LEGO halo and Halo for The Nintendo Dual screen (DS)
violet notch
Lego Halo isn't possible. Halo has a contract with Mega Blocks, Lego's competitor.
Lego's policy is to not touch anything rated M or R.
Halo's are rated M.
So Lego won't even touch Halo.
They try to keep a family friendly brand.
Sorry for busting your myth.
carmine sleet
I have a feeling Ragey may have confused the cancelled Mega Bloks Halo game with Lego
But either way, it couldn't have been Lego to have made it due to the aforementioned reason that Lego tries to be family friendly
Which is also true in their games
violet notch
Okay, a Mega Blocks game I can believe. However, I still have a tough time believing a title on a Nintendo platform as well. Nintendo and XBox are also direct competitors. Though, Microsoft doesn't have any handheld platforms, there's a possibility, but I doubt it.
carmine sleet
Halo DS was a thing, just not much is known about it outside of there being a working demo and it being a retelling of CE
unique rune
I would have liked to see the Mega Bloks game/Project Haggar finished. Looked like a neat concept.
But man.
The angry reactions it caused on the Waypoint forums... hoo boy.
carmine sleet
Honestly, it would've been something fresh and different for the series
safe siren
Yea, i would've played it
versed helm
No look it up, there was a legit LEGO halo, not a megablocks, I know the difference, I have megablocks halo sets, The game showed minifigs and there was only one video that seemed to be copied over and over, the game looked fun though not gonna lie.
safe siren
The platform sections were something fresh too
Are you sure it's not something fan made?
versed helm
Something I wanna see done one day Is Halo On source engine XD, that would be funny, or quake engine XD
carmine sleet
Why would they make a Halo game with Source or Quake? They already have Slipspace developed now
safe siren
Rocket Jumping with the concussion rifle is worth the work
versed helm
I know but it would be funny seeing a Halo remake in half-life XD
safe siren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v5N8XdZfD8 this is the closest we have
versed helm
Anyways, Isnt Slipspace engine supposed to be like one of the worlds best game engines now? Also named after slipspace from halo?
safe siren
We only know what they showed us, and what that engineer said. For him it is one of the best, but let's wait to see it in the wild to judge it
versed helm
I cant wait for halo infinite, I think the originals were kinda already open world though, one thing I heard is an RPG upgrade system, I know Doom pulled it off but I dont think Ill like that in halo, maybe a command and conquer type mixture with fps sounds better, Like how Halo wars did it, but its also of course an fps like always. Actually the original Halo was supposed to be a command and conqeur type game like another game of Bungies's.
Ima go watch that video you linked, seeyall later.
safe siren
It's just a random video, nothing serious, or well made.
carmine sleet
the originals were kinda already open world though
Halo has never been open world
versed helm
bruh thats a meme video XD
Ok for a campaign fps, halo combat evolved maps were freaking huge compared to standard fps.
carmine sleet
That doesn't make them open world
safe siren
Huge != open world, i get your point tho
versed helm
some areas in the game were typical halls, some were HUGE FREAKING WHY SO BIG areas
safe siren
I'm expecting something like this for Infinite, a mix of Huge areas and smaller one, but with a linear campaign
versed helm
I actually went back and replayed the game not long ago, (maybe last week) for nostalgia and noticed actually how awful the final part of the games level design was compared to the beggining, thats typical for games though becuase its tiring designing maps, they just cut ideas short near the end, like when I watched people play Doom eternal The level design was great, but near the end it just flopped, it looked cheesy and dumb.
I kinda want halo infinite to play like Halo Reach, Halo reach felt different, Not like halo 3 ODST different, but its mechanics werent used in other halo games.
versed helm
Fun fact hint: Do not blow up only the armor of a Hunter, or your gonna have a bunch of worms everywhere, its not cool, (scene from halo nightfall plays when guy gets eaten bye Lek Golo hunters)
violet notch
Question. Why does damaging the worms in merely a localized section of a Hunter (its back) seemingly kill the rest of the minor local colony? Wouldn't some worms still be able to operate? Like imagine it like a zombie where it's limbs are mostly gone, but it can still crawl around. Raising the cannon arm threateningly and creepy off the ground.
Why does killing some worms seem to kill all of them?
versed helm
I never figured that out either, maybe the armor explodes and kills all of em?
violet notch
Why would they add that function? That doesn't make any sense. We see no explosions either.
carmine sleet
Fun fact hint: Do not blow up only the armor of a Hunter, or your gonna have a bunch of worms everywhere, its not cool, (scene from halo nightfall plays when guy gets eaten bye Lek Golo hunters)
That was a specific sub-species of Lekgolo, that won't happen if you kill the Lekgolo of the Covenant
versed helm
They should add a mechanic in halo infinite that makes it so that when you "kill" a hunter it breaks up so you gotta kill the worms or use a "returning" flamethrower from halo 2 to kill them.
versed helm
WE NEED SOME KINDA NEW GAMEPLAY
violet notch
Not that
versed helm
why? attention to detail is needed more in halo, All the lore seems to not be in game but rather seperate. I only know the lore for halo from other sources but not from the actual game, it needs more attention to detail.
Who ever wouldve known the Hunters and Scarabs were a bunch of worms?
violet notch
Because at the end of the day, it's still a video game. Things like pacing, balance, engine capabilities, and of course fun need to be priority one. Otherwise you could have the best lore ever, butno one's going to play your stupid game about it.
What you proposed, while it may address my question in the lore, is not a good gameplay mechanic. I was merely asking for some lore excuse for it. I wouldn't actually want to have to deal with that while I'm actually playing. That would be annoying.
So my question wasn't "why didn't they add that" my question was, "what could explain what we see?"
versed helm
Ok but the game doesnt just need to be fun, but also imersing, i play for the experiance, not to pass the time, Otherwise why would anyone make a story for a game? Ya lets make a game that makes zero sense, just grab a gun and shoot aliens for reasons unkown, i would get bored quickly
violet notch
There's a balance though.
versed helm
Exactly, reason I hated halo 4 and 5, I felt unnatached to the game, It felt like a standard fps like cod with no innovation and it wasnt as fun as other halo games, i want halo infinite to bring back that classic feel. It was more immersing into the games world. gonna be honset my first playthrough i felt like i was IN the game. The game needs more Detail and stuff to attach it to the lore. Along with gameplay to tie in that makes sense.
carmine sleet
They should add a mechanic in halo infinite that makes it so that when you "kill" a hunter it breaks up so you gotta kill the worms or use a "returning" flamethrower from halo 2 to kill them.
Flamethrowers weren't in Halo 2
versed helm
Ya understand what i mean right? I play for the experience.
violet notch
While all that is well and good. I still don't want to have to deal with Lekgolo squirming around after I just took down a Hunter. That would be annoying.
versed helm
umm there was flamethrowers in halo 2
violet notch
Your philosophy is fine. Your recommendation for it I have issues with.
bright briar
The flamethrower was in CE and 3, not 2.
carmine sleet
CE PC to be specific
versed helm
Ridley i agree, just an idea, but just more lore tying things would be nice, i dont care specifically for the lek golo, they are not the main attraction of halo
carmine sleet
There is lore in the games, but they can't just fit in everything just for the sake of lore. Plus, trying to make the gameplay bound by lore would make for an unfun experience
versed helm
Also The only time ive ever seen a flamethrower in halo was in halo 2 on xbox 360, its in the spaceship infected with flood thingy (sorry forgot name) that is seen flying thourh the sky and crashing in halo 3
carmine sleet
Halo 2 never released on 360
versed helm
i think its a space covenant city?
violet notch
Muh man. Halo 2 wasn't on the 360. That was Halo 3. Halo 2 was on the Vanilla Xbox.
versed helm
OH SORRY I played halo 2 on the xbox 360 XD, backwords compatibility
violet notch
You are absolutely talking about a level in Halo 3. Level's name is Cortana.
The Covy city is named "High Charity".
In H2 when you visit it. It only just now was attacked by Flood. Oh and no Flamethrower. In Halo 3 is when it'sbeen completely assimilated by Flood. And there's a Flamethrower.
versed helm
okay maybe i dont know when halo 2 ended and transitioned into halo 3 becuase they continue exaclty off of the same point and i played all first 3 games in one sitting
Lol that might be my mistake, I cant tell the difference between halo 2 and halo 3 XD.
violet notch
That's like the second to last level in H3. By the time you got to that point, you would have known you were playing H3 and not H2 anymore.
versed helm
well im sorry the games looked the same XD
violet notch
lol, not really
versed helm
They do, the graphics drastically improved upon halo 1
reef estuary
halo 3 is a pretty drastic jump from 2 doe
carmine sleet
Exactly, reason I hated halo 4 and 5, I felt unnatached to the game, It felt like a standard fps like cod with no innovation and it wasnt as fun as other halo games, i want halo infinite to bring back that classic feel. It was more immersing into the games world. gonna be honset my first playthrough i felt like i was IN the game. The game needs more Detail and stuff to attach it to the lore. Along with gameplay to tie in that makes sense.
Going back to this, both Halo 4 and 5 brought quite allot of the expanded lore into the games, Halo 4 is the first game to have the origin of the Spartan IIs talked about and various other things from novels are referenced
violet notch
A whole console generation apart!
reef estuary
you know it was actually halo 2 that started the whole fps trend
versed helm
okay maybe i dont know when halo 2 ended and transitioned into halo 3 becuase they continue exaclty off of the same point and i played all first 3 games in one sitting
also no halo 2 did not start the FPS trend, classic Doom did.
carmine sleet
Everyone forgets Wolfenstein
violet notch
Halo 2 popularized FPS online for the mainstream masses. It basically laid the foundation for all future online multiplayer experiences.
reef estuary
im referring to cover shooters where you regenerate your health behind cover
halo 2 popularised that
versed helm
Lol poor wolfinstein, i did not forget that, i thought everyone else did
violet notch
However, Wolfenstein 3D is the Grand Daddy of FPS. And Doom is the Daddy.
versed helm
EXACLTY! YALL HAVE HIGH IQ
carmine sleet
Or I just know my stuff
versed helm
THANK YALL FOR BEING TRUE GAMERS AND KNOWING YOUR HISTORY! most people forget wolfinstein, so i didnt mention it
I love doom, doom is noice, that game is actually supposed to not have a story so i dont care about lore, but they went and added some anyways
I think its becuase its a video game with no logic XD
violet notch
In any case. Let's take a step back. Without adding a very annoying game mechanic of having to kill every last little Lekgolo (just having to kill the tiny Infection Flood Forms gets really annoying all the time). Is there a lore reason why killing some worms seems to kill the rest of the colony? I don't want to change that, I want it explained. (redux)
fair hazel
@versed helm you’re talking a lot of gameplay and general stuff for a lore channel
reef estuary
if Id wager a guess its that killing a few worms doesnt kill the colony, but renders it inoperable, given that hunters are the collective resource of many worms.
fair hazel
In fact, most of is wrong channel.
versed helm
Keith, nice idea
violet notch
Thank you Keith, that's an answer I was looking for. I'll take that.
versed helm
Next topic, how do gravity hammers work?
agile dragon
No1 loving Serious Sam 😢
fair hazel
Lore topics
fair hazel
No, I am not.
agile dragon
quickly and violently
versed helm
ericklyboo just drop it and lets focus on next topic
versed helm
HOW THE HELL THOSE A GRAVITY HAMMER WORK? is it just a heavy weapon so they call it a "gravity" hammer? or is there like some magnetic ability, also I dont know what Gravity impellers are
reef estuary
id imagine what they have is similar to what ghosts have,
versed helm
Keith, im agreeing with you again
reef estuary
like similar to their propulsion systems, but in concentrated burst,
versed helm
I originally thought like boosters on it but none are visisble
violet notch
Tartarus's hammer demonstrated an ability to use some kind of gravity field to draw in targets. I'd say the run-of-the-mill hammers had smaller renditions of whatever that was.
solar bear
hi
unless they found a way to manipulate gravitational fields yeah
terse sigil
There are circles on the front they could be something
versed helm
Same thought, anyways ima feed my dog brb
fair hazel
They manipulate gravity fields and when they do the main strike, it sends out this kinetic shockwave.
The gravity hammer opens up in halo 5 revealing its interior.
agile dragon
o cool
solar bear
so i was right then
terse sigil
They did
versed helm
So I find the flood fascinating, but i never really found out where they came from, my understanding is (probably wrong) is that they were created from the forerunner for some purpose (idk myabe bio weapons, preservation?) And they got loose, but got contained again, within the halo rings
violet notch
no
versed helm
of course
violet notch
not even close
reef estuary
their origin goes a little further back 🙂
versed helm
aight
violet notch
Honestly I find it more interesting if their origins are still a mystery, but there is an origin.
spiral jewel
Speaking of Tartarus's hammer, was it ever recovered from Delta Halo, whether it'd be from Truth's Covenant, SOS or UNSC?
fair hazel
You should spend some time on halopedia.
Unknown autobot
Ridley. A mystery for the sake of mystery is shallow
versed helm
whats halopedia? I find all my lore on halofollower youtube channel, and figuring it out myself
terse sigil
I do it’s cool and great for lore
violet notch
Human's are naturally more afraid of the unknown.
fair hazel
... no wonder you’re all confused...
violet notch
And it's not a mystery for the sake of it. The Flood are very Lovecraftian cosmic horrors with little care for the lives of sentients.
versed helm
hello? whats halopedia?
fair hazel
You should really be watching other stuff. Not that channel. Forget about it and I recommend channels such as halo canon.
violet notch
Helopedia = wikipedia, but for all things Halo and Halo Lore.
terse sigil
Search it up it’s like Wikipedia but not
versed helm
Halo canon, sounds cheesy but trusting
fair hazel
carmine sleet
Halo Canon is by far the best channel for Halo lore out there
terse sigil
There you have it
versed helm
now, how much would yall recommend playing halo on pc over console?
fair hazel
You should stop watching what you watch though. You seriously end up misinformed and other stuff... no wonder.
Not a lore question
versed helm
omg sorry but shut up, theres no other thing to ask none game related topics XD
fair hazel
@versed helm don’t do that again.
versed helm
?
violet notch
@versed helm the Tl;Dr; of the Flood origins is:
Ancient cosmic race, far older and even more powerful than the Forerunner. They were corrupted and transformed into the Flood.
versed helm
ridley, thats cool
carmine sleet
Ragey, if you have none lore questions, there's plenty of channels to ask them in here
violet notch
That's a serious oversimplification though.
terse sigil
How do you think the UNSC manages to pay all their SPARTANS?
versed helm
Where?, also those nobody realize im entirely new to social media and discord?
violet notch
(insert the "You guys are getting paid?" meme template here)
versed helm
#inointernetbefore
carmine sleet
How do you think the UNSC manages to pay all their SPARTANS?
How do most modern militaries pay their soldiers
fair hazel
If you’re new then get yourself acquainted. Read the rules. Read the channel pins.
versed helm
what is that
versed helm
no offense but thats long
fair hazel
It’s your responsibility.
solar bear
@violet notch @versed helm They were originally called the Precursors, but when one caught a fungus-like disease, their hatre for the Forerunners caused them to embrace this corruption and they became the Flood. At least, that's what I remember off the top of my head
fair hazel
That is not accurate.
solar bear
no?
versed helm
wait is this "discord" (whatever that means)like legitemately ran by the people who made halo?
carmine sleet
Yes
solar bear
they were the Precursors
versed helm
SORRY, I had no idea, I thought this was some kinda community page for, well i dont know fun, I didnt know this is were like employees of 343 studios talked and stuff
carmine sleet
Just because there's members of 343i here doesn't mean it's a place of no fun
agile dragon
AFAIK The Precursors were being killed by the Forerunners and went into a dormant state as an inert powder, planning on going back to normal eventually.
They spent too long in that dormant powder state and eventually something sort of went wrong.
The powder was found by ancient humans and fed to their pet dogs because it made them exhibit more desirable traits.
The dogs eventually started growing things on them, and other dogs ate them off the other dogs, then started eating the other dogs, then started eating humans -> FLOOD
fair hazel
The precursors judges the forerunners unworthy of the mantel. Either through self defense or aggression, the forerunners killed precursors. Hunted them down. Some precursors made themselves into this powder form. To be preserved. Ancient humans found the powder and experimented with it. It had positive results on their pets until one day, they showed growths and other things. They were culled but some humans had eaten them before. And they became infected with was known as the shaping sickness. Or what would be known as. The flood. Their regeneration into their original forms didn’t go as planned. P
versed helm
now where is the chat about in game stuff? or is this like ... I dont understand discord at all
violet notch
Honestly, I'm not a fan of the Precursors. It just feels like their addition to the lore went something like this:
"Hey, we have this cool race of beings whose name 'forerunner' means 'those who ran (race) before'."
"Yeah, but we've over explored them. We need something new, something fresh, something to raise the stakes."
"I know, how about we invent this cool race of beings whose name 'precursor' means 'before'. They're like... before the before's."
"Cool, let's run with that."
My question is what's next? The "VeryOlders"?
#opions
versed helm
what are other channels, also another qeustion, the story of the flood, makes sense now, but what are precursors?
carmine sleet
what are other channels
They're all down the side
solar bear
the pre-flood race that made themselves into the powder
violet notch
Okay, can we remove Ragey from this channel? This Discord 101 lesson is really getting annoying to look between.
versed helm
side? oh the thingies with names? like general discussion, hcs, share-your-content- etc
solar bear
pre·cur·sor
/prēˈkərsər/
noun
a person or thing that comes before another of the same kind; a forerunner.
agile dragon
versed helm
Also now the precursors make sense
agile dragon
Follow the rabbit hole that is links in Halopedia from one topic to another
violet notch
A technicality. But my point still stands. It's just so very contrived, for the sake of raising the stakes.
versed helm
ok... kinda scared that something bad will happen
agile dragon
Well, it made the forerunners from the all powerful race into the less than all powerful, not so "good guys" race
violet notch
That to.
fair hazel
Uh. Or people were working on wrongful assumptions
versed helm
so... what do I click on to find the channel where people come together and casually talk about halo and have a good time? or those this simply not exist
fair hazel
versed helm
im confused, there talking about trump or something over there so ima stay here and whatch yall talk and try to learn the lore while i might actually eat some popcorn
violet notch
@solar bear even your definition basically confirms my misgivings.
"Hey, we'll make an even older race. And we'll call them the "BeforeTheBefores" just so people know they're even coolr!"
versed helm
so talking about anything thats not lore even if trying to tie the game and lore together is illegal right? got it. Ill just sit back and whatch yall talk.
solar bear
so humans and pets were the first "Flood"?
violet notch
No, that's just how the Flood came to the Humans.
solar bear
but they were the first infected life-forms
versed helm
we need a new topic? yall stopped... NEW topic: how those spartan armor work? I believe it physically connects to the body and it has like exo suit stuff and other cool body enhancing crap in it
violet notch
That we know of.
solar bear
besides the Precursors
fair hazel
The pheru were
versed helm
what are pheru
fair hazel
@versed helm spend some time on halopedia.
violet notch
There could easily have been more Flood elsewhere before that. That pet was just the patient Zero for the Ancient Humans.
fair hazel
Search the thing you want in the search bar.
What do you mean more flood elsewhere before that?
versed helm
aight but I dont know what even wikipedia is 😧
solar bear
Spartans were genetically enhanced before they got their armor - partially so they could handle the weight
fair hazel
Pheru was the human’s pet
solar bear
oh
fair hazel
And no trolling.
versed helm
Clucker, I knew that but how exactly? what did they do to the human body?
agile dragon
D: Lots
versed helm
whats trolling and whos doing that
violet notch
Ragey, this isn't where you learn the basics of the internet. Take that to a different channel for pete's sake.
agile dragon
solar bear
I'm not too sure, but it probably was't too comfortable
versed helm
Im ASKING QEUSTIONS ABOUT LORE
carmine sleet
Trolling isn't lore related
agile dragon
Ragey, check the link I sent
fair hazel
Besides I have a hard time believing you’re “new to the internet”
agile dragon
It has the info you want
versed helm
Well why did erickyboo say "no trolling" those that not have anything to do with halo lore?
fair hazel
You’re wearing my patience thin..
versed helm
well sorry jeezus, Now what is this channel for if we dont talk about lore and instead send repeative links for halopedia?
agile dragon
There's so much info it would copy paste pages of stuff to say it all XD
versed helm
wait..... thats what this is.... aight im done with this
agile dragon
The link takes you to where you can find well organized and presented information that answers your question
carmine sleet
well sorry jeezus, Now what is this channel for if we dont talk about lore and instead send repeative links for halopedia?
Just use Halopedia and read up on whatever you want
versed helm
bye
nvm ignore old text that used to be here in this message, becuase i dont know how to delete text
agile dragon
I checked and there are 3358 words in that page I linked on the topic, making it hard to fit it all in here =x
keen canopy
Big up all the moderators lmao, tough gig they've got
inner basin
Mods of this Discord or Halopedia (when I say mods for Halopedia I mean those who pertain to upholding it and ensuring each page is factually correct)? I mean both have a hard gig, but I’m not sure which you are referring to
keen canopy
I meant this discord server specifically
obsidian thistle
Well maintaining Halopedia is a fun gig I shant lie :D
last anchor
Bet you see LOTS of interesting stuff happen
What did I just miss?
Anyway, whatever.
Quick pole related to something in the Halopedia Discord; anyone here think the opening of H5 with Osiris dropping onto Kamchatka is "impossible"?
Seems a lot of people think it wouldnt work and its just showing off.
I disagree but I want other input
gilded mason
My main issue is just that it looked ridiculous to me.
slim thorn
Originally it was a Clandestine op, right? Osiris dropping into Kamchatka is a top-secret mission. Maybe the Pelicans are equipped with stealth technology.
humble yacht
i don't think it was that much more fantastical than what Blue Team did in The Package
last anchor
Or Fred leading Red Team on a drop to Reach in First Strike...
Or First Strike itself...
Spartans, as Chief Mendez said, "do the impossible".
Thanks guys.
fair hazel
reef estuary
i mean the general design of a pelican doesnt seem very stealthy
slim thorn
You could just add retro-reflection panel or something on the Pelican. It also makes me wonder why those Pelican won't be targeted by Seraphs in the first place.
tiny bay
the H5 opening cinematic was odd
deep pewter
It was pretty cool tbh
last anchor
I didnt see any Seraphs at all in the fight. Banshes yeah, no Seraphs
obsidian thistle
Only time Seraphs appear in H5 is the battle of Sunaion
In 1 blink and you miss it scripted event
carmine sleet
That's when the Guardian first wakes up on that mission, right?
carmine sleet
Ah, I see
obsidian thistle
They are just the Halo Reach/4 model.
Nothing new
*I was almost expecting them to be a new design.
carmine sleet
Is there an image of their Halo 4 appearance? I just checked on Halopedia to see if I could find one but couldn't
carmine sleet
Ah, ok
obsidian thistle
I am just glad Seraphs are already set in their pattern names tbh lol
carmine sleet
Aye, that's good
violet notch
No one remembers the Seraph you fight the Heretic around in Halo 2?
That's a Seraph just chillin' there
carmine sleet
I remember that Seraph
obsidian thistle
I love me a good Kai
The best Seraph for bombing runs.
Seeing as normally the Morsam lacks a fuel-rod gun in favor of mobility
sharp pike
And the Seraphs from the Halo Reach space mission. We need more space battles like that
slim thorn
Or probably direct Fleet Engagements.
terse lava
something like star wars battlefront 2, except you can control the entire vessel rather then just turrets
versed helm
are seraphs really that superior to banshees though?
round comet
i believe they are yes
worldly nimbus
Seraph can just jump when banshee is in front of it. Banshee eliminated
round comet
seraph can easily keep up with a UNSC longsword
i realy doubt a banshee can do that
can it?
versed helm
i mean, most covenant technology and space tech, is superior to ours
worldly nimbus
But we can outsmart them, much like Keyes did during his loop
versed helm
they won most space battles.
only reason we even really stood a chance is because of our ground forces, that are much greater than the covenants ground forces.
worldly nimbus
True
If we just had a lot more ships and a lot more people with the intellect as Keyes, maybe we would be a little more better
And just... 5 MACs on each ship xD
versed helm
i think the largest thing was things like shields, that made covie ships way more durable compared to ours
worldly nimbus
But like... 5 macs would rip right through that shield
versed helm
usually was our tactic, to spam macs lol
worldly nimbus
Imagine if the UNSC filed more money into the macs to make them machine guns? XD
You get a titanium-a shell! You get a titanium-a shell! You get death
carmine sleet
Wouldn't be easy to make a full auto MAC cannon, it's gotta charge up every time it fires
worldly nimbus
Just make it into a minigun
Several barrels and while one fires, the others are charging
versed helm
takes a LOT of power most likely
slim thorn
Make a double or even triple-barreled MAC like Battleship
violet notch
Look up a game called Star Trek Legacy. It sounds like exactly what you're asking for. Only Star Trek instead of Halo. It's an older 360 game.
midnight loom
lmao
the thing is
the power is spread through the engines, the small boi turrets and the MAC
using that many MACs would either mean we become a bigger target by getting more power
or we would stop dead in space without point defense
slim thorn
If the Halo can made the Warship like Space Battle Yamato, they could utilize triple-barreled MAC
slim thorn
Yeah, less casualties
midnight loom
more chance cole protocol will fail
what goes on in most of halo is: a few hundred lives for billions? ez
slim thorn
Cole Protocol no longer affects UNSC
slim thorn
Like how the Strident ones being made, is it?
slim thorn
Stalwart class holds more crew than Strident
unique rune
...Why would they make a triple-barrel MAC?
Not only would the power requirements be astronomical, but that’s... a pretty good example why you shouldn’t put all your eggs in one basket.
midnight loom
i agree
slim thorn
What I want is UNSC can expect the Flood will return
unique rune
They... do...?
unique rune
The UNSC has Spartan training sims involving Flood outbreak scenarios for that reason
midnight loom
lol
slim thorn
And Cortana will be forced to make decision. Forsake Master Chief by continue opposing him or return to his side and yield the Mantle to John-117.
unique rune
Or... none of the above...
slim thorn
Then go into rampancy once again by the Gravemind from Precusors
slim thorn
ikr?
midnight loom
¯_(ツ)_/¯
slim thorn
Still, I prefer Chief and the Arbiter share responsibility to manage the Mantle
They both a good duos for leadership after all.
unique rune
Or they could just... dispose of the Mantle as a concept.
Since it's... pretty dumb
slim thorn
Yeah, but Fred even cede the authority to John-117.
midnight loom
very much dead
slim thorn
He should have taken the mantle of Admiral to 117
slim thorn
With addition, John can't refuse if he was mandated to wield Admiral rank and commands all Spartan
unique rune
This is... slowly sounding more and more like bad fanfic territory.
midnight loom
hes better with his own team
slim thorn
Ye
midnight loom
he would get them all killed
midnight loom
cus he never rlly fought with them
carmine sleet
And Cortana will be forced to make decision. Forsake Master Chief by continue opposing him or return to his side and yield the Mantle to John-117.
Please no to Cortana rejoining Chief
slim thorn
Probably can also tease CINCONI by giving her leftover food
unique rune
...What.
midnight loom
lol wat
slim thorn
I saw the current CINCONI profile
She was being teased during training days by John for eating leftover food
carmine sleet
Wait? Who's she in this context? Because if you mean Cortana, she was created long after Chief finished training
unique rune
Serin
carmine sleet
Oh
carmine sleet
Also, why would Chief tease Serin by throwing her leftovers? That doesn't make any sense for him to do
midnight loom
yeah, he never had enough himself
unique rune
Surprise, surprise, it's from the Kilo-5 Trilogy
slim thorn
No, i mean bringing her back memories
midnight loom
lol
slim thorn
Should they both reunited
unique rune
I mean, it's pretty bizarre and out-of-character for Chief in the first place
slim thorn
And... I just hope that Spirit of Fire also can be reunited soon
midnight loom
arnt they still on the ark?
slim thorn
Almost 30 years MIA
carmine sleet
yeah, he never had enough himself
No, it's not something Chief would do at all. Chief wouldn't tease people like that, that's not who he is
midnight loom
lol i suppose
carmine sleet
besides, forge is ded
no need
Why would the death of Forge mean that the SoF shouldn't return to the UNSC?
slim thorn
And we haven't got any news about Professor Anders
unique rune
no
slim thorn
She's captured by Cortana's Guardian
unique rune
She's stranded on Installation 09 after a Guardian pulled it out of slipspace
Somewhere between the Ark and the Soell system.
fair hazel
At least 0 ships survived.
slim thorn
I don't think the entire ships falls into the Earth like that
Also, there are some warships with energy shielding. How did the Guardian can knock the warship out in one burst?
carmine sleet
If they're caught in Earth's gravitational pull and have lost power, they would fall down to Earth
midnight loom
im back. oooooh
well
i think the guardian used something related to slipspace
and the ships didnt have the slipspace shielding up
so ja
stoic hamlet
You don’t need shielding in Slipspace
midnight loom
well
the slipspace shielding
keeps the stuff inside the ship reality
otherwise everything would just die
stoic hamlet
.....you’re thinking of the Warp. Gellar Fields.
stoic hamlet
Slipspace is essentially regular space.
midnight loom
um no
stoic hamlet
It’s an alternative dimension
midnight loom
why do ships glow after exiting slipspace or entering it? shields
stoic hamlet
UNSC ships didn’t have shielding until 2554 at he latest
gilded mason
Even the name "slipspace" is technically a misnomer because the subdomain is non-spatial.Ordinary matter cannot exist in the raw slipstream without being torn apart; ships traveling in slipspace are shielded by carefully-tuned quantum fields which wrap them in envelopes of normal space. Any construction in slipspace itself would have to be composed of specialized forms of exotic matter.
stoic hamlet
.......huh. Fair does then.
gilded mason
lol
gilded mason
I vaguely also remember some part in Halo 4 (I think?) talking about some ship being "rated for slipspace"
gilded mason
@stoic hamlet
Apparently Halsey's journal.
stoic hamlet
Hmm, intriguing
stoic hamlet
The Condor is the smallest ship possible
(Which seems unlikely now, knowing the shielding, but okay)
midnight loom
the slipspace drive generates a shield 2
das why we can use it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
no idea how or why
slim thorn
Then how did Spirit of Fire can reach Installation 00 without any energy shielding or even slipspace drive?
midnight loom
hummmm
gilded mason
We don't know
midnight loom
that is.... strange
gilded mason
They never answered that mystery
fair hazel
Something made it go there.
slim thorn
Yeah, but i expect that The Ark should use a portal on a small scale to transport it
midnight loom
it could be possible
fair hazel
And, unsc ships relied on the Armour to make the slipspace journeys
stoic hamlet
Obviously the answer is neural physics
midnight loom
lol
slim thorn
It's even recorded on the sensor records
midnight loom
ah...
gilded mason
Obviously the answer is neural physics```
Correct!yeah
stoic hamlet
I think the Slipspace “fields” are a retcon. Because I swear it was just the armour/drive and stuff that allowed UNSC ships to traverse it.
Or....not a retcon, per se
slim thorn
Even UNSC Gettsyburg can use Covenant Borer fitted from Ascendant Justice with no side effect
stoic hamlet
^^^
stoic hamlet
The Condor seems far too small to be able to enter Slipspace and survive if they need special shields/field generators.
I think it’s just “new” information conflicting with the old.
slim thorn
Not to mention UNSC's slipspace drive clearly could makes the drive exposed if fitted on Condor
Unless they already shrink the size to fit it.
midnight loom
well, forerunner tech
slim thorn
The only UNSC Warship on service fitted with Forerunner Tech as far as I know is UNSC Infinity
midnight loom
didnt they adapt other ships?
carmine sleet
They upgraded ships with better tech but Infinite is the only UNSC ship with Forerunner tech
midnight loom
ok....
slim thorn
They're still using Titanium plate.. Hopefully they can upgrade it with Nanolaminate plating
slim thorn
Actually, the size is small enough to be fitted with slipspace drive
Unless the drive was small enough to fit in.
stoic hamlet
That’s what we mean though. The Field or whatever doesn’t make sense if stuff like the Condor, or Gettysburg can go into Slipspace no problem.
It doesn’t really work.
fair hazel
not enough mass and stuff, it puts more stress into the ship or thing traveling slipspace
slim thorn
Because you need adequate research to make it happen.
unique rune
...No?
Nanolaminates are a real thing.
The Covenant's used nanolaminate armor long before Gundam IBO came along and did stupid nonsensical things with it.
slim thorn
Covenant are using Nanolaminate plating and.... it was a nightmare for unshielded UNSC Warships. Even UNSC Spirit of Fire lost all of its herons on the port side while the graze barely damage the CPV-class Destroyer
feral perch
those herons were magically restored come HW2 lol
unique rune
neural physics
slim thorn
Serina already repaired it during those 6 years of drifting
Probably tasking some UNSC Retrieval teams to gather every inch of materials they can fetch
unique rune
6 years
You are off by... about a factor of five.
feral perch
Bruh they were adrift for 28 years
slim thorn
And Serina done it in less than 7 years, before her lifespan ends.
abstract venture
Most if not all post war ships use forerunner tech for the unsc
midnight loom
ah
abstract venture
The UNSC discovered a forerunner shipyard in Onyx so they planned to equip every UNSC ship with instant interstellar communications and accurate slipspace jumps, and huragok just constantly improve UNSC ships aswell
midnight loom
lol i suppose so
slim thorn
Yeah, but the only current services applied is only at UNSC Infinity
midnight loom
ah
abstract venture
No osmans cruiser was upgraded immediately
slim thorn
Other UNSC Warships are not fitted with Forerunner technology even the Autumn-class Heavy Cruiser
midnight loom
ONI first huh?
abstract venture
And they planned to upgrade every ship within the next 5 yrs
midnight loom
lol
abstract venture
And considering were over 5 yrs past the kilo 5 trilogy they should all be upgraded by now
Also they planned to have huragok on every ship
midnight loom
wow
slim thorn
But only enhanced as I seen it. Only the Port Stanley, right?
Furthermore, Ace of Spades also receive Forerunner Technology
midnight loom
but das ex-UNSC
slim thorn
Does Port Stanley was used when Hood and Serin are escaping Cortana from Earth?
midnight loom
not sure
slim thorn
Because that Prowler was now inoperable due to Black Box was also taken
midnight loom
wait bb betrayed them?
feral perch
no
slim thorn
No, ONI secured Black-Box and taken to safety
While Port Stanley's system was mainly run by bb
midnight loom
ah
slim thorn
Either it was used along with Serin and Hood to escape Earth from Cortana, or being left behind on Sydney unattended. But, I expect that Port Stanley was used by Hood and Serin to escape from Cortana's grasp.
gilded mason
They used a random prowler, not the Port Stanley, looking at the story
slim thorn
So Port Stanley now was inoperable since the primary functions now has been taken for safety to Rossbach.
midnight loom
hmm
feral perch
wasn't the Port Stanley tho
midnight loom
sad life aahahaha
slim thorn
Yeah, but bb held the primary function control over Port Stanley.
feral perch
Do we know if that was still true by 2558?
midnight loom
dunno
slim thorn
Considering Port Stanley was exclusive for Kilo 5, could be.
midnight loom
yeah
feral perch
Kilo-5 might not have been active in 2558.
slim thorn
Yeah since they were all scattered due to Cortana, it was inactive not to mention the CIC (Serin) also went into hiding. Naomi was also nowhere to be seen though.
obsidian thistle
K-5 were still active. Thanks Mythos.
midnight loom
didnt naomi stay with her father?
carmine sleet
No
midnight loom
ok lol
light igloo
just out of curiosity, when was grey team last mentioned
gilded mason
just out of curiosity, when was grey team last mentioned```
EnvoyGreen Team no longer exists in any form afawk
Red Team, comprised of Alice, Douglas and Jerome, are still fighting the Banished on the Ark and helping the Spirit of Fire. Again, as far as we know.
midnight loom
hmm
light igloo
thanks a lot @gilded mason , hope they have it on audible
carmine sleet
I believe most Halo novels are on audible
midnight loom
yeah
stoic hamlet
Red Team wasn’t just Jerome, Douglas and Alice, tbf
It was just a standard II team name
feral perch
I literally specified Red Team comprised of
stoic hamlet
Oh, whoops
feral perch
yeet
stoic hamlet
I like, didn’t see those words
light igloo
what was the latest update on kilo 5?
stoic hamlet
They’re disbanded, IIRC
Or at least still preforming super classified missions as of 2558
obsidian thistle
*2559
The framing device of Mythos is set in that year.
Fun fact. It took the Curator 8.77 hours to make the Mythos document.
keen canopy
Though it seems that the team of Jerome, Douglas and Alice were always designated Red Team
Presumably because they were re-augmented and retrained together
So their composition wasn't fluid like the rest of the IIs
That's how I justify their armour anyway
fair hazel
Team composition isn’t always the same
versed helm
other spartan-IIs do not know of their existence, correct?
fair hazel
Of the spirit of fire’s red team?
keen canopy
So their composition wasn't fluid like the rest of the IIs
keen canopy
and yes @versed helm, ONI didn't want successfully augmented IIs meeting the washouts on the battlefield because it could disrupt them emotionally.
stated by Mendez.
Which is probably why Red Team and possibly Omega team's composition seemingly is always the same.
slim thorn
Red Team, comprised of Alice, Douglas and Jerome, are still fighting the Banished on the Ark and helping the Spirit of Fire. Again, as far as we know.
And they're still listed as MIA by UNSC Officials, unless until Anders can make a contact with UNSC.
tender ginkgo
I hope they get to reunite with Chief since the guy deserves that more of his family lives.
inner basin
I would love for all the Spartan-IIs to know which Spartan-IIs are alive
For example we got Grey Team, Red Team, Blue Team and Naomi still alive
slim thorn
Also including a Spartan that was reassigned into non-combat services like Musa.
twin obsidian
Did chief have boosters when he gives the cove's the bomb back in H2A?
humble yacht
Probably
craggy sierra
In a discussion with a friend who believes that the ring that the ark is rebuilding in H3 is the original 04 installation that got destroyed and then teleported there for repairs while I’m saying that it’s just a new ring being built from scratch to replace it. Who’s right?
humble yacht
You
The ark makes new rings, it doesn’t repair old ones
Besides, shards of the original I04 are still out in the galaxy after Halo 3
last anchor
Thats the whole point of Nightfall. Dudes went to that shard and found weird twisted Forerunner metal that killed humans.
So the UNSC nuked it.
humble yacht
That’s not all they found 😉
slim thorn
I'm curious about UNSC Home Fleet until now.... Because humanity's homeworld can be a feast for the Flood.
carmine sleet
Any home world would've been a feast for the Flood
feral perch
The Gravemind ignored Earth and used neural physics to jump to the Ark.
stoic hamlet
It was like the Night King but smart
Why attack Earth if they can’t actually do anything to stop you from hitting the Ark?
slim thorn
No, I mean when Cortana reigns like this, how will UNSC Home Fleet will survive if the Flood from other systems came to invade Earth.
feral perch
Why would that happen?
carmine sleet
Why do you assume there's an imminent Flood invasion?
slim thorn
Because it needs to be expected.. The Flood attacks when the Forerunners are exhausted
feral perch
I disagree.
carmine sleet
The Flood are contained