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#lore-and-universe
humble yacht
warm ridge
I wonder how long a trip to the Ark could take with the Infinity, directly from Earth in slipspace. Not using the Ark portal at all.
inner basin
It’s hard to tell. Maybe we’ll get to see a demonstration in the future
humble yacht
Probably around the same time it took high Charity
warm ridge
Wasn't Chief + Truth etc already traveling to the Ark by the time High Charity arrived at Mars?
humble yacht
Yes
warm ridge
that's pretty impressive considering the Gravemind supposedly didn't even use the Ark portal, which supposedly speeds up slipspace travel by a lot.
limpid meadow
Infinity would likely still take 8-ish months
humble yacht
8 months? With forerunner engine?
warm ridge
wot
limpid meadow
The only reason High Charity took a mere month was because of the Gravemind's Precursor know-how.
warm ridge
He quite clearly was working off what limited power High Charities reactors, and other sorts of things that were still on High Charity at all + with how destroyed it likely got due to the constant plasma bombardments from the Elites.
tl;dr
precursor know how mostly sure, but the Infinity by comparison I'd imagine would reach the same time frame considering it wasn't destroyed or any of the sort at all.
The Ur-Didact arrived at Earth from Requiem incredibly quickly to, using just Forerunner engines.
limpid meadow
I doubt it would only take a month for Infinity.
Maybe not 8 months, but only 1? I can't believe that.
humble yacht
Has the efficiency of the infinity’s engines ever been compared quantitatively to standard human slipspace engine?
Also how much time passes between Hunters in the Dark and HW2?
warm ridge
didn't the Forerunners more or less use the Ark portals as a form of "instant travel across huge distances" when used in combination with Forerunner engines?
limpid meadow
Hunters in the Dark is 2555, HW2 is 2559
limpid meadow
The Banished took about 8 months
warm ridge
Banished used the Ark portals supposedly, and once the Ark portals shut down, they got trapped. One of the reasons Atriox was so obsessed with getting on the Halo ring/waiting for it.
humble yacht
Ah so you were comparing Infinity to Covenant tech
carmine sleet
Pretty sure the Banished didn't use any portal relating to the Ark
humble yacht
If the banished used the portal then Earth would have flipped out
limpid meadow
Covie and Human. The Rubicon took about 8 months as well, but we unfortunately have almost no information on that ship.
But yeah, I was looking as the Banished trip. Sorry, I need to make my reasoning more clear 😛
humble yacht
But the Covenant ships has always been faster. 😉
warm ridge
More then one portal leading to Earth exist, you know that right?
limpid meadow
If the Banished used a portal, the trip to the Ark wouldn't have taken 8 months
humble yacht
How you gonna activate a portal without a key ship
carmine sleet
A Huragok
limpid meadow
The Huragok was a special case
warm ridge
Huragok definitely did it on Earth apparently, so did Tragic Solitude at the Ark.
limpid meadow
It has previously worked on the Keyship in High Charity.
humble yacht
Tragic Solitude activated the portal from the other end
limpid meadow
using a Human
carmine sleet
The Ark side of the portal does not require a Keyship
humble yacht
And the forerunners got rid of most of their key ships to keep the flood away from the ark
We only know of the one leftover
warm ridge
We don't really know how many Keyships survived the Forerunner-Flood war as it is, so who knows.
humble yacht
If the banished had a key ship, we’d know
carmine sleet
Aye, and it would've been a major plot point too
limpid meadow
The Keyship from Halo 3 is still on the Ark.
humble yacht
Too many plot holes to assume the banished used a portal to get to the ark
warm ridge
Apparently a ton of them definitely survived as the Librarian's plan used them greatly in order to reseed life in the Milky Way, that's all we know. Lots of Keyships survived, more then 1 definitely. We just know of 1 that was still "technically" in operation.
limpid meadow
If I recall, the Hunter pair Colony was studying it, or the Keyship launch site on the Ark.
But yeah, they don't have a Keyship otherwise
warm ridge
Ace of Spades, aka Rion Forge also came across a design seed which would've built a Keyship if activated at a Builder Facility in 2557.
last anchor
I mean the UNSC managed it using a Huragok
Also, lore states the Banished took the "long way". Thing is, the trip to the Ark once you know where it is is actually fairly smooth since theres...more or less nothing in the way once you pass the boundary of the milky way. Its extra-galactic
terse lava
What in the world have I missed?
terse lava
And always when I am at work too
As for the earlier topic, truth was clearly only infected as you make your way towards him, and by spores. As for how fast they can infect, it is slower then an infection form.but not by much. We see Bero 'Kusovai become infected by spores and it didnt take a terribly long time
cloud trellis
you know what would be cool, a spartan siding with the ionsurrectionists and huinting other spartans
humble yacht
so, Ilsa Zane, pretty much
gilded mason
She's from a comic mini-series
humble yacht
she's in the Initiation comics and the Hunt The Truth audio drama
versed helm
its still lore
cloud trellis
i only jsut finished the flood
inner basin
Hey Paciono, haven’t seen your face around here for a while
cloud trellis
where do i go next
inner basin
I think First Strike is next
versed helm
then contact harvest, i think
inner basin
I assume that you tagged Rioom by accident, Pacino lol
cloud trellis
after first strike is ghost of onyx
inner basin
Rioom use the link Ostral posted
versed helm
SORRY
cloud trellis
your welsome pacino
inner basin
No need to keep asking people
versed helm
no, ghost of onyx is last in that series
versed helm
yeah
ghost of onyx leads to the kilo five trilogy
its last in that specific part of the lore
inner basin
Rioom is now that we don’t like you, but Ostral has posted something that answers all your questions
versed helm
so, how's the new virus treating y'all?
versed helm
this is my......what? third month of house arrest?
yeah. third month of house arrest
its all the lore
terse lava
Oh, it has been a while since we have seen you Forthebcho
inner basin
If you click the drop down box “List of Novels” that’s the release order of books, Rioom
versed helm
@terse lava I had exams. which are now over
and i am stuck inside AGAIN due to china not knowing how to contain a virus
cloud trellis
ah i get it
the author made ghost of onyx right after first strike
but lore/story wise contact harvest comes way before fall of reach
cloud trellis
hmmmn
well i have first strike and ghost in front of me in person
i might read it in release roder
versed helm
yer choice
inner basin
It’s best to read it in release order. That way you’re not confused when characters first introduced in older books appear in newer ones
stoic hamlet
Release order is always best, yeah
Chronological is super hard
Because books jump all over the place
versed helm
true that
cloud trellis
in foR we jumped between 12 year old and 40
versed helm
A lotta fightin
and a lot of covie blood spilling
With a sprinkle of Innie blood
so i just got the fall of reach a bit ago
might read it soon
NOICE
cloud trellis
huh
that also means chief pretty much has matured
and we don't get to see the development
besides FoR
until the later books which are prequels
i don't knwo if i like that\
feral perch
Bruh TFoR was made in a six-week timeframe when Bungie didn’t even want it, to provide backstory for CE
be grateful it exists at all
versed helm
aye. you wanna see chief mature, read silent storm and oblivion
cloud trellis
@feral perch i am grateful, but this is me being a critic to writing as any other person will be. FOR was pretty good and the changing of chief was the best moments in the book imo
feral perch
Oh I see
versed helm
if you really wanna see chief mature, you should read silent storm
tbh i dont want a certain thing from the books i just want them to be good
they are.
ye
cloud trellis
i like the cover of silent storm
versed helm
ok now im so glad i didnt watch the fall of reach before because i hear its mediocre and probably would have made me not want to read the book
cloud trellis
fall of reach was a movie?
gilded mason
Though it really wasn't that good
versed helm
yeah im really glad i didnt watch it
cloud trellis
shame by the developer
versed helm
although i want to get to watching the halo movies someday
its the animated film, right?
there were two animated ones
the fall of reach was a 3d animated one
the 2d animated one was a mini series called halo legends
stoic hamlet
@gilded mason @terse lava you’re the Covie lovers here, what are your thoughts on this?
I think he has some good points, but is missing the point overall.
inner basin
“Covie lovers” 😂
cloud trellis
whose he?
inner basin
It’s a they
versed helm
forget the Covie lovers and UNSC people, Flood all the way
inner basin
Both Ado and Ostral are as Eternal described, “Covie lovers”
gilded mason
❤️
inner basin
@cloud trellis If you have any questions based on Covenant lore, Ado and Ostral are probably your best chance
versed helm
And if you want to see someone have a mental breakdown at the keyboard and cover the channel in a wall of text
Ask me anything about guns
gilded mason
@versed helm
What's a bullet
inner basin
^ Yeah, he knows a lot about guns
versed helm
Your mum
gilded mason
😮
inner basin
Don’t start him Ostral
versed helm
Anyway
I'm actually... suddenly kinda hopeful some inkling of projection sights returns in Infinite.
I suddenly feel as if they kinda need to be retconned as having always been a thing.
They were probably one of 343's greatest additions to the world, if one of their more random additions to gameplay.
stoic hamlet
I mean....aren’t they? Or, haven’t they?
terse lava
Ok what have I missed now
stoic hamlet
Are they not what’s projected by a HUD?
I wanted your opinion on a rant. @terse lava
versed helm
Well, what I was referring specifically to were weapons like the MA5 having in-built holographic projectors.
As they do in Halo 5.
Because, when you think about it, there's... 2 main things a soldier uses a HUD for. Navigation and targeting.
If he had something else to handle navigation, a projection sight does everything a regular soldier's HUD is responsible for.
terse lava
@stoic hamletalright give me a few minutes
versed helm
I suppose IFF might be another function.
Keeping track of the positions of your team mates.
I suppose that's the one thing someone without a HUD really forgoes if projection sights are a thing. As well as other on-the-fly visual representations, but I assume a datapad could handle that.
cloud trellis
we have alien experts
stoic hamlet
We have several experts on various things, yis
versed helm
And - hol up - who are the individuals who you often see forgoing HUDs?
legends
Individuals like one Sergeant Zhao Heng Lopez. Or one Sergeant Major Avery Johnson. Or Sergeant John Forge.
Experienced jarheads.
you mean GODLY jarheads
Guys and gals who don't need some machine to tell 'em where their marines are at a given time, because they're likely where they told em to be.
I feel a conceptualization coming on
Eeeeeeep!
not really
they're just heckin amazing
stoic hamlet
Wasn’t Lopez given a tactical piece on a headband? In the Motion comic I believe she was, anyways.
Johnson uses Shooter Glasses often enough.
Forge I’ve got nothing
terse lava
Hm, quite certain I have read that rant before
versed helm
forge had an enhanced shotgun, i think
terse lava
Think he posted it on waypoint as well
stoic hamlet
He posted it to /r/Halo before.
versed helm
Anyway, projection sights fix everything
They're now my favourite thing about Halo 5
terse lava
Oh I see, literally 3 hours ago, interesting
versed helm
And you know what?
The AR also looks the best it ever has in Halo 5
Fight me
God, I feel a sudden need to play Halo 5
stoic hamlet
MA5K is best AR.
But the MA37’s also really nice.
I can’t wait to see what the MA40 looks like up close with the ammo counter and stuff
versed helm
First off, I win on a technicality because the MA5K is an assault carbine.
Second off, I concur.
If there's no indication of it having a projection sight (or workable alternative) I will be a bit sad tbh
stoic hamlet
Fair.
And I will also be sad. But I wonder how it will work for that sort of design.
terse lava
@stoic hamlet I would agree with him I thr sense that the covenant have. Even portrayed rather badly when one compares lore and games. Yes you are usually a super soldier but even when you are not the enemy falls somewhat easily. Its sadly the reality of making a game and expanding on the lore
stoic hamlet
Mhm. My thoughts as well. He’s not wrong, but I think he’s taking it a little bit too far.
gilded mason
Ye
terse lava
Too far yea I do agree too
versed helm
meanwhile, the MAR is the better AR
inner basin
Shame Looters left, he loves to talk about guns
terse lava
But realistically, if you want to face the covenant as shown in the books, the game would be unplayable
versed helm
U WOT
that is true
Riddle me this
Is the MAR designed for accurate, controllable, automatic fire with .308 at between 600-900 RPM out to 300m?
Does the MAR break the very laws of physics to somehow be a bullpup that also has a fully adjustable shoulder stock?
does the MAR have recoil?
Are we talking about the Galil derivative here?
we're taking about the basic MAR
I
Don't know which in particular you're referring to
But it's probably chambered in 5.56
And ergo
Wimpy
a stock, factory fresh MAR vs a stock factory fresh bullpup gun of yours
What MAR tho
There are multiple weapon systems throughout history that bear the name MAR, none of them being particularly widespread
Maybe the acronym refers to something else I'm not aware of
versed helm
magnetic assault rifle
inner basin
Ahh I see
versed helm
Oh so you mean like
a Gauss/rail-rifle
Hypothetically
yeah
I mean sure, if you've got a lot of fancy batteries
But the MA5 gets the job done
it does
that it does
inner basin
But we aren’t using the MA5 in Infinite ;P
versed helm
Well
so what all weapons are there? hs the list been released already?
I mean, we've seen what we're tentatively calling the MA40 based off the nerf gun
abstract venture
What's the MAR?
versed helm
That's the slick MA37 redux (Not the MAR, the MA40)
We've seen a magnum that... looks like the Reach one, dunnit?
On toys, this is.
We've seen a BR55 and an M7
And a SPNKR
And what looks to be a redesigned hydra
and the ARC?
stoic hamlet
You want the name of the acronym or are you asking if we’ve seen it?
Its the railgun
Asymmetrical Rail Carbine, IIRC.
Or maybe not
stoic hamlet
It’s been a bit since I’ve looked
versed helm
Asymmetric Recoilless Carbine.
stoic hamlet
Ah, thank
versed helm
because 343 are out of their minds.
It's a railgun that's
Arc Reactor Cannon
Actually a coilgun
Or maybe not
That is recoilless
But not by any mechanism related to it actually being a rail or coilgun
Because as we all know, railguns and coilguns have an awful lot of recoil.
versed helm
well......it does use mag fields to project projectiles
Mhm.
For every action
at mach speeds
There is an equal and opposite reaction
the action being the fields, the reaction being the ejection of the slug
there's no explosive force propelling it forward to cause a recoil
...
no gun powder in the back explosive force, i mean
See, the way an ordinary gun works
Is that the explosive force of the deflagrating propellant transfers its energy into the the slug
obsidian thistle
Well its kinda weird in its fiction. I actually dont think we "seen" outside books and descriptions. All we have is gameplay to rely on.
versed helm
And as the slug leaves the barrel, it uses the density of the expanding gases to push energy back into the bolt of the weapon
but there's no expanding gases here
And the reciprocating bolt is the recoil you feel
no solid propellant
Yes - instead of expanding gasses, what you have is the force of magnetism.
That would work the same way.
You know how I know it?
tried and tested?
Because the experimental railguns of the modern day have recoil, yes.
Honestly, I don't explain it that well.
But anything that pushes something else gets the energy it put into the thing blasted back at it.
but magnetism itself causes no recoil
Yes it does
You know that feeling when you try to push two magnets together and they push apart?
repulsion, yeah
That's your recoil, basically.
dude what no
magnetic repulsion is proximity based
gaunt oakBOT
terse lava
What in the world?
gilded mason
Cripes
inner basin
Oof
gilded mason
=/
terse lava
How, why?
inner basin
Man was just talking about recoil
terse lava
Accidental bad word I bet
inner basin
That’s a safe bet
obsidian thistle
Lets not joke about that here please
versed helm
Sorry
obsidian thistle
Regardless what Looters said is right. That would be your recoil. Its one reason why the ARC is joked. Granted suspension of disbelief is to be had cause the ARC is far from the only thing impossible in Halo.
terse lava
Neural...
gilded mason
👍
terse lava
Wonder how long it takes the covenant to terraform a world
terse lava
Even though it's almost always a typo
versed helm
typo once twice or thrice
yer gonna be maybe fine
but typo a fourth time
and you'll have an ARC shoved up your behind
terse lava
Chuckled more thrn I should have at that
inner basin
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. Maybe stop before it goes too far?
versed helm
yeah. sorry
inner basin
Typos are unreal today. Jeez...
versed helm
depends on the autocorrect
inner basin
Well typos are first then autocorrect makes it worse
versed helm
aye. they do
welp, i gtg. might be on later
have fun mi amigos
inner basin
Later
obsidian thistle
Well in other news. Have you heard about the best character ever? Spock the space Cat
gilded mason
Good ol' Spock
obsidian thistle
For those not in the know: https://www.halopedia.org/Spock
A cat so cool she was allowed on the Spirit of Fire Bridge.
keen canopy
Wasn't there a cat on PoA as well?
gilded mason
Yeah, I think a reference to Alien?
keen canopy
Ah, chuck it on the pile loool
gilded mason
lol
warm ridge
@keen canopy The cat on the POA is just a easter egg and isn't considered canon, it's a joke at best. That entire board you see at the beginning of POA isn't really considered cannon by anyone.
keen canopy
I wish Staten was around for Halo 3 also
We could've gotten a more competent and threatening Truth, a more involved Arbiter, much more Separatist action, and a Johnson that wasn't done absolutely dirty by Halo 3.
inner basin
Still his lines at the start of Halo 3 are comedy gold, but some did feel a little out of place
gilded mason
Would have been great to have him, yeah
terse lava
Yea
pulsar pendant
so, i just find the terminal where 343 GS talk about a ship having crash on the ring, do we ever got id on what was on the ship?
bright briar
As far as I'm aware, it's still a mystery.
unique rune
Yep. Still no info as to whatever or whoever was on that ship.
Probably won't ever get any.
terse lava
Closest we ever got was 343 joking about it being a bear like race
stoic hamlet
I’m imagining like, the cutest possible bears.
Like some cute children’s cartoon stuff
gilded mason
The bears from We Bare Bears
stoic hamlet
Yup, exactly
terse lava
It will be care bears who shoot plasma
stoic hamlet
Turns out that’s where the Sangheili get their plasma designs from
The bears
Not the forerunners
They’re a member of the Covenant Fringe who accidentally revealed themselves to humanity, but the Ministries covered it up.
terse lava
Heh
terse lava
throws tomato
unique rune
That was... an attempt.
versed helm
Sorry I hate the Star Trek reject aliens which were in the Locke movie
did you just call the covenant star trek rejects
anger noises
unique rune
The Yonhet design wasn’t... especially good.
versed helm
i agree with that one but most of the covenant is designed great in the pre 343 era
elites, grunts, hunters, jackals
etc
unique rune
I mean, I’m not gonna disagree with that, but considering he was talking about Covenant fringe just a couple messages ago... and the only fringe species we know of are the Yonhet... which appeared in Nightfall...
versed helm
Arent the Sharqoui/Drinoll fringe as well? Or would I be mistaken?
terse lava
Ehh...sort of kind of? They were more living weapons then a race
versed helm
True
versed helm
yeah the xenos in the games are great <3
fair hazel
Before they were enslaved though. Probably some life worker project
sand iris
do u think there is a planet that is made of egg white and one big yolk in the middle
turbid ether
If the planet is the size of an egg than yes
Imagine just a random boiled egg floating through space
versed helm
Well... There's a planet thats shaped like an egg in real Life called Wasp 12b, though its color isnt white, buuuut it has the color of an Easter Egg kinda.
Actually theres another one called haumea thats white, no yolk in the Middle tho
fair hazel
@sand iris this is lore chat...
carmine sleet
Why am I getting sudden Dr Who flashbacks with the whole planet that's and egg discussion?
versed helm
cause thats stuff we generally see in dottore who
versed helm
it'd be pretty cool if the regulars here got some rank like lore master or something
gilded mason
It'd make me feel all warm and fuzzy
versed helm
hehe
it'd be nice to see that
like, hardcore fans being appreciated for knowing this stuff
obsidian thistle
All equal here yo
gilded mason
Says the moderator. 😉
obsidian thistle
Pfft. Not that it changes my statement ;)
versed helm
the more active ppl here do know WAAY more about the haloverse than the avg player
obsidian thistle
A lotta the folks be Halopedians ;)
I'd sure hope the ones I keep seeing know their stuff lol. If they edit wikis and so on lol
versed helm
thats why we're here
cause we know
obsidian thistle
Its always fun to see folks talk here though xD Keeps me on my toes at times lol
(And I say that from a lore pov)
abstract venture
You guys think infinite will probably have playable Elites? I'm pretty sure that's the reason they introduced the anvil initiative in the lore
gilded mason
Well, I can always hope.
humble yacht
I don’t think the two concepts are related
obsidian thistle
Anvil was used to explain stuff in the original Halo Online. But 343i has at least kept it around.
gilded mason
I'm hoping the fact that 24 SoS agents are aboard the Infinity will actually come into play
terse lava
I would truly.hope infinite has playable sangheili, been waiting since 2010
feral perch
*2014
terse lava
I didnt count that due to it being an already existing game
feral perch
H2A was technically brand new
terse lava
Yea, but they just used h4 models...rather badly
feral perch
Can’t discount it just cuz you don’t like it /shrug
inner basin
Stone makes a good point. I don’t really like H5’s FF but it’s still FF
terse lava
Wasnt discounting it for that
But I concede yes I guess it would count as a new game with the newer maps
iron lotus
if your a true fan what was the reason MC was able to get of the exploding ring in Halo 3. And there is a very specific reason
plz answer
gilded mason
Are you asking because you don't know, or is this some purity test thing?
inner basin
^ Yeah... I can see it both ways and need some clarity
terse lava
The fact Johnson left his hog there?
inner basin
Or about the FUD?
Maybe even the portal and how it collapsed as the FUD went through?
gilded mason
Nah, that last one isn't part of "getting off" the ring
umbral swan
Hey, I dabble in constructed languages (dothraki, klingon, etc). Been thinking about trying to make a fleshed out Sangheili language inspired by what's on the halopedia page but also with my own linguistic interpretation of it
terse lava
Well I would still say the hog as that was needed to get to the frigate
umbral swan
Are there any sources beyond thaat wiki page or has 343/bungie said anything on it?
bc if there's already a proper sangheili language with grammar and whatnot out there i wouldn't want to step on any toes
unique rune
If I recall correctly there's a couple fan attempts at constructing one, but nothing official.
umbral swan
Okay! I may tackle it as a summer project then
gilded mason
There is a language made by Bungie and then later 343, yes. But the full extent of it is not known to the public
unique rune
Just bits and pieces assembled from the little we know
inner basin
Nah, that last one isn't part of "getting off" the ring
Well the FUD was still needed but the portal but I added just for further elaboration
umbral swan
I don't mean to be rude, but by language do you mean a handful of words or something with fleshed out grammar, like something you could make intelligble sentences out of?
gilded mason
The latter
umbral swan
Okay, neat
inner basin
I personally only know “Wort” lol
Don’t know if that’s even a word but... it’s what I know
umbral swan
imo the sangheili are one of the coolest parts of the lore and I love anything that further fleshes them out as a species and culture
terse lava
Yea, closest we have was from halo 2 promo stuff with covenant symbols for each letter of the alpabet
gilded mason
It is
inner basin
Okay so I know one Sanghelli word lol. What does it mean?
gilded mason
As expected, it means something like "Move urgently" or something along those lines
inner basin
Ahh I see
unique rune
The only bit of Sangheili language I consistently remember is like, nishum.
terse lava
Filthy nishum
iron lotus
no I know but Im asking
gilded mason
no I know
So it was a purity test?
unique rune
if your a true fan
Thinly veiled gatekeeping, more like.
terse lava
Cant really be a purity test seeing as the way off the ring technically varies
gilded mason
Same thing, really
iron lotus
Nope your all wrong those were not the answers I was looking for.
terse lava
.....
inner basin
Well that’s how Chief gets off the ring though 
unique rune
The real way off the ring was the friends we made along the way
inner basin
He takes Johnson’s Hog with Arby, they drive to the FUD and then leave...
umbral swan
Let me get this straight, because you didn't like the answers, they were wrong?
inner basin
@unique rune Metaphorically speaking I would agree, but literally is what I said
iron lotus
It was because of Mendicate Bias. If you check the terminal in the last mission, Mendicate says he will help him and does so. The path to the frigate was literally the only parts standing and they got desimated right after the player drives over them
gilded mason
🙄
inner basin
🤦♂️
unique rune
I mean.
Technically sure.
terse lava
Like I said, answer varies
iron lotus
I mean technically they are all correct answers but not the exact answer I was thinking of srry for being rude
gilded mason
Also, we have no idea if MB actually altered the way that the ring's scaffolding was exploding
inner basin
Yeah there is no proof. He said it, yes, but it doesn’t mean he did it...
iron lotus
I guess i'm wrong then srry if I wasted your time. I am only a kid
gilded mason
He said it, yes, but it doesn’t mean he did it...
I meant more MB could've simply been referring to the portal destination
iron lotus
eh all the asnwers could be taken as correct
inner basin
Well it is up to interpretation Ostral. (P.S I’m not saying I disagree with you, just playing Devil’s Advocate).
carmine sleet
I doubt Mendicant was "keeping the ring together" as Chief and Arby were driving the hog to the Forward Unto Dawn
inner basin
Until?
terse lava
The frigate
carmine sleet
Typo
inner basin
I figured lol. Just wanted to point it out ;P
carmine sleet
No worries, Beast
terse lava
Either way all good, and you are fine chief
iron lotus
thx
keen canopy
"The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe."
I do like to think that MB somehow contributed to John and Thel making it to the Dawn despite all the chaos.
jolly furnace
I think all MB did was direct the MC to Requiem
gleaming thicket
Did the Insurgents and the UNSC work together during the later years of the Covenant war or did they just keep going at each other's throats?
versed helm
they kinda did
gleaming thicket
They kind of did which one?
versed helm
i dont remember the name of the book
but it happens
a spartan team is undercover on an asteroid colony
but a unsc ship lands there a bit damaged
it features thel vadame
both the innies and unsc work to rek the invading covies
and they do work together after the war
gleaming thicket
Interesting.
I figured the tensions are still kind of there even by Halo 5?
I need to consult the wiki tbh
gilded mason
Yes.
versed helm
they are, but between zealous sects
gleaming thicket
I wouldn't know much about Circumstances within Halo 5 btw since I myself haven't played it but have seen gameplay and cutscenes.
versed helm
the swords of sanghelios ask for the unsc's help to take back sanghelion
gleaming thicket
Yeah i know that. For my understanding the last of the Covenant remnants gets destroyed in Halo 5
at least the most powerful remnant that remains
gilded mason
Yes, Jul's Covenant was destroyed
versed helm
technically, Jul leads the Didact's groupies
gleaming thicket
Im a bit perplexed that Sangheili of all species still believe in the Covenant
gilded mason
Some Sangheili want power.
gleaming thicket
even after the events of the Great Schism and how the great journey is revealed to be nothing but bs
gilded mason
And want to consolidate that power into a faction they lead
humble yacht
There are an undefined number of remnants so the covenant can come back in some form as many times as the writers require
gleaming thicket
Yeah but probably never as they were prior to Halo 3
humble yacht
Doesn’t need to be like they used to be
Just needs to be an excuse to have the UNSC fight elites and grunts
gleaming thicket
The whole key to the Covenant is the Great Journey, if the Covenant abandon that they're no longer the covenant.
IMO
versed helm
but they find out that the journey is just mass suicide
humble yacht
Jul’s covenant still believed that forerunners were gods, even if they didn’t believe in the Journey
versed helm
some sects stopped believing, though, right?
gilded mason
Yes
versed helm
oh, they know that the great journey is nothing but bamboozlement of the highest order
gleaming thicket
If the Forerunners were gods than why did they get defeated by space zombies.
Checkmate Covies.
versed helm
cause the space zombies had neural physics
humble yacht
Because the space zombies were devils
versed helm
magic devils
versed helm
but its quite interesting that the flood saw itself as a catalyst
gleaming thicket
dust that turns you into cronenbergs
Its more interesting to me how in Halo Legends Cortana reflects back to the Forerunners are a noble and peace loving people who were forced into this war with the Floods all while ignoring it was the Forerunners who decimated ancient humanity which was actively fighting the Flood and thus doomed the entire Galaxy.
gleaming thicket
My headcanon is that by the time of Halo Legends Cortana is going rampant, I think that's what its called.
So maybe her facts are not all there.
versed helm
almost to death,
then requiem happened
tender ginkgo
Well yeah Halo Legends Cortana is rampant since she has humanity and the Covenant have a truce to fight the Flood when the reality was much different
fair hazel
Halo legends ties into a lot of halo stuff
fair hazel
Even in 2020. It ties into blue team for infinite / new book.
The prototype. Ties into halo wars 2 dlc too.
Rise of atriox.
versed helm
That I did not realize
fair hazel
It’s interesting how certain pieces of media become very influential
Kilo five trilogy certainly being one of them.
See there’s some you might expect. Like Greg besr trilogy because those are obvious. Or the games.
versed helm
K5 is pretty important to connect stuff now
fair hazel
But then you’ve got stuff like kill five trilogy which introduced Venezia which really became this central place in the halo life
Lore
Legends. The stories connect in many ways. Thematically. Visually etc.
Halo nightfall.
It introduced so many things which were used forward more. Condor. Kil Silas. etc.
stoic hamlet
Venezia
Important
I think you mean Gao, silly.
versed helm
Venezia became quite important.
like, the whole pious inquisitor debacle happened there
tender ginkgo
Yeah legends have Fal Chavame who was made canon by the halo 2 terminals anniversary.
obsidian thistle
Yep. Halo Legends was always canon sans Odd One Out.
gleaming thicket
1337 is still a memorable character. Makes me wish he was canon.
versed helm
Yeah. Him v Pluton was fun
🏀 🇿
carmine sleet
Well, Halo Legends is the Halo Anime
carmine sleet
Also, please, try not to get coffee everywhere, I like having clean clothes
versed helm
instead of the dragon balls we have the skulls
and the saiyans are spartans
and instead of going super saiyan with longer hair, the armor version upgrades to give better combat ability
with the final form being didact-ian armour
which'll be like ultra instinct in the DBS saga
inner basin
I think we should stick with Halo: Legends...
versed helm
So... would Chief = Xeno Goku? Since he’s the most serious goku there is?
spiral jewel
dumb question: is there any connection between the opening for the animated "The Fall Of Reach" where Blue Team is looking for something on Reach and the upcoming novel Shadows of Reach? or would this question enter spoiler territory?
feral perch
Given that, in the prologue and epilogue for TFOR-AS, Blue Team is wearing their GEN2 Mjolnir armor, one could say that their appearance in TFOR-AS is distinct form their Shadows of Reach visit.
However, the prologue and epilogue could also be retconned to being one and the same with Shadows of Reach. Perhaps their GEN2 armor will become non-canon, and their GEN3 armor is what they actually wore in that moment.
Correct armor appearance is one of the things that gets pretty poor treatment in the Halo franchise, usually.
spiral jewel
or perhaps they receive their Gen3 at some point afterwards. im not sure. im sure things will get explained in Shadows of Reach
feral perch
Probably.
spiral jewel
i should pick up Shadows of reach when it either hits retail or arrives at Half Price Books
carmine sleet
When it hits retail
vagrant dagger
Imo that sort of stuff isnt necessary to the overall story ao its understandable their appearance is off
The story doesnt change based on how they look
stoic hamlet
It doesn’t, but it helps with timeline and consistency.
That’s why so many people threw a fit when the cover for Silent Storm was revealed.
vagrant dagger
I feel theyre just going to retcon a lot of stuff by the end of it regardless.
stoic hamlet
Well.......one of the reasons.
Highly possible
I just hope they give reasons for it. 343 don’t really do that.
And it really aggravates me, lol
feral perch
"mUh maRKetiNG"
"brand recognizability"
just make everything consistent dangit
If I had my way, Mark IV basic would have been used by every Spartan except Gray Team and Black Team, up until 2551 at least.
not counting IIIs of course
carmine sleet
Give them different colours too, or at least different colours as markings on the armour
feral perch
That I don't want, unless it's very slight shading differences
stoic hamlet
Like a secondary colour or something. Like how Jun has some blue markings, but is very distinctly green.
feral perch
secondary color is okay I guess
humble yacht
Sounds kind of boring after an expansive color palette
feral perch
Multiplayer can have all the colors of the rainbow.
But for canon wartime activities, I think shades of olive drab, gray, and black, are appropriate.
humble yacht
White has its uses
feral perch
Ah yes, snow environments.
feral perch
Bad idea. Spartans don't need that.
Everything would be distinguished from within their HUD.
stoic hamlet
^^^
humble yacht
What if it’s for marines or ODSTs
stoic hamlet
It would likely also be in their HUDS.
feral perch
Marking a Spartan as distinct above the others would make it a priority target for Covies.
humble yacht
They already are
stoic hamlet
There’s a reason you don’t see Soldiers/Officers looking really distinct in the modern day.
feral perch
No need to make the problem worse, Chimera.
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
feral perch
If Netherop had been an extended wartime theater, then I could see orange Mjolnir.
Or maybe for Carrow, if that had been a planet worth defending.
carmine sleet
I'm honestly with Chimera, let the Spartans have different colours
stoic hamlet
I’ve head cannoned that ONI ordered them to look different once they realized people knew about them.
It’s the only way I can buy it.
feral perch
It's so much more exciting when the colors have a purpose and they're not merely difference for the sake of difference.
stoic hamlet
They’re not Space Marines
feral perch
ONI are a bunch of weirdos, that much is true.
stoic hamlet
They’re soldiers, they have no real reason to differentiate, and I don’t think personal preference would factor in.
IIRC Grim (or a canon fodder?) mentioned that the differences happened “slightly” over time but the lore doesn’t show this.
It should show this
feral perch
If they let Emile chip away at a ridiculously expensive piece of equipment, I could see personalized paint jobs happening. But Spartans like John saw Mjolnir as merely a tool, if an essential one.
stoic hamlet
Arguably all of them did.
I could also see personal customizations occur but we’ve never seen Spartans described as wanting these things.
So it seems out of place
inner basin
@feral perch Well if we are to use a Fistful of Arrows, Emile chipped away at his helmet because it was damaged so he decided to add an intimidation factor to it. In this instance we are assuming a Fistful of Arrows is canon, but it currently is not
feral perch
There is an alternate explanation that is canon though.
inner basin
What is that?
humble yacht
Wouldn’t that be he added a scratch for every kill?
feral perch
The skull is the result of thousands of individual scratchmarks from Covenant soldiers that Emile has killed.
yep
inner basin
Hmm, that is interesting how it has evolved over time. From a regular EVA helmet, to one with over a thousand or so scratches (with a Kukri ofc)
humble yacht
I wonder if he had in mind the skull design from the first scratch, of if he noticed that potential design after getting into it
feral perch
oh wait, it's only hundreds of marks
humble yacht
It’s gotta be approaching a thousand, at the minimum
stoic hamlet
Does he count explosives, or only those he’s killed with a knife?
Because that would effect it.
last anchor
Probably only those he killed "man to alien" if I had to guess. So shotgun and knife most likely
inner basin
Or maybe just kills he’s confirmed?
last anchor
Thats basically the same thing more or less. If you're close enough to see them die, thats a confirmed kill
feral perch
Interesting that confirmed kills are in abundance for Emile, whereas in modern warfare in the real world, they're not easy to obtain.
I wonder what about ground warfare with the Covenant lends itself to getting kill confirmation fairly easily, gameplay aside.
Maybe the fact that civilians and political boundaries are a much smaller factor?
last anchor
And because Elites tend to scream and shoot the air when they fall over dead...
versed helm
and grunt methane cylinders go skadoosh
stoic hamlet
I mean, most battles were killing zones where covenant threw bodies on a position until it drowned in blood.
Plenty of ways to get kills and confirm them there.
feral perch
Mm.
last anchor
MJLONIR probably helps. If that suit cant track where the bullet went and also confirm a hit...
I mean GEN 2 has hitmarkers for example
versed helm
You'd only need the markers with humans.
A battle with covies ALWAYS has confirmed dead.
they literally have suicide grunts
last anchor
Also its probably a case of;
"You still standing? Then you probably killed at least one. You dead? Not your problem anymore."
Also confirming kills is more important in chaotic, urban enviroments with civilians and stuff that can get in your way, since an insurgent who got away can cause trouble.
Wheras with the Covenant, well...for the most part, they dont ambush you (mostly, anyway).
They come at you screaming in heathen tounges looking to boil your flesh off your bones with plasma.
keen canopy
Potentially the PoA's ODSTs wearing black-colored Marine BDU with an ODST insignia. Fireteam Raven casts doubt on that somewhat
But I don't think there's anything confirmed to be non Canon in the book @versed helm , why do you ask?
terse lava
Dont recall anything either, one could easily argue Raven as happening to have different gear on when the
Autumn left Reach
keen canopy
Well the PoA was outfitted and ready for RED FLAG, it only touched down on Reach briefly to make some quick repairs at Azsod and pick up the Cortana fragment
But yea it could just have be that ODST's don't always deploy in heavy armor, and the Black marine BDU is something they might use at times as well
Of course the real-world explanation is just that ODST armor didn't exist yet when The Flood was written haha
last anchor
Same as how it describes the SOIEV's exterior burning off and opening to the air as it falls, wheras in Halo 2 we see it come down fully intact until landing
honest rune
How come in halo wars two they can deploy odst pods literally right next to each other? in reality they would smash on top of each other.
gleaming thicket
Operation Red Flag: would it have worked? Whats your opinion.
honest rune
Hmmmm most likely the other prophets would just let the other one rot away I mean we what truth did to mercy when they were attacked by the flood so no.
gilded mason
Operation Red Flag: would it have worked?```
NooooopeYeah there’s no chance that 🚩 would have succeeded
honest rune
why didn't the covies just try to ally with humans first encounter? I mean humans obviously are connected to forerunners why wouldn't they manipulate instead of war?
humble yacht
because humans very existence invalidated the core Covenant beliefs
and the prophets were not about to have their gospel questioned
humble yacht
i don't think humanity would have accepted being a part of the covenant, anyway
some alien group comes in trying to push their religion on all of humanity? hell, humans can't agree on a single religion amongst themselves
gilded mason
i don't think humanity would have accepted being a part of the covenant, anyway```
They'd kinda have toThere's only one real choice when choosing whether or not to accept being part of the Covenant
honest rune
the covies could ally themselves with humanity asking for tech and knowledge
then later betray humanity and know their weaknesses
unique rune
What would humanity have to offer that the Covenant didn't already possess...?
honest rune
yea we saw how the unggoy rebellion went
terse lava
Oe just keep them as a fringe away from main covenant society
gilded mason
What would humanity have to offer that the Covenant didn't already...?```
Forerunner cheat codes, if they ever find out about thatEXACTALY
gilded mason
Otherwise, humanity being part of the Fringe is always on the table
terse lava
Have a few tag along with san shyuum and huragok teams
No no on the AI
The covenant known what mendicant bias did
unique rune
The Covenant would definitely be opposed to using AI
honest rune
oh?
terse lava
Yep
unique rune
Yeah.
It's not that they didn't have AI, they just heavily limited their usage after learning about the whole thing with Mendicant Bias being corrupted by the logic plague.
honest rune
I didn't know that I just assumed they were too egotistical to ask for a fake robot persons help
terse lava
The covenant had AI, but refused.to craft smart ai to avoid a repeat
honest rune
QUick question whats mendicant Bias?
gilded mason
lol
unique rune
Super powerful Forerunner AI
talked to the Gravemind too long and went loopy and turned against the Forerunners
gilded mason
He's a Forerunner AI that betrayed them for the Flood.
terse lava
The forerunner AI who was built by the forerunners.to fight the flood. He was sent out and was interrogated by a gravemind/last precursor and defectd to the flood
gilded mason
Yes
humble yacht
i think humanity is too uppity and pro-freedom to submit to the covenant at threat of annihilation
gilded mason
And they know of his actions
terse lava
gilded mason
i think humanity is too uppity and pro-freedom to submit to the covenant at threat of annihilation
Nah, I don't think so.
humble yacht
i do
honest rune
Covies could always lie
terse lava
I would say as.long as they are.kept as a fringe they would be fine.
gilded mason
If they had to choose between extinction and being part of the Covenant, they'd be dumb not to choose the latter
gilded mason
Eh
honest rune
looks back at WW2 and bascially all wars yeah
humble yacht
plenty of humans have died for freedom
terse lava
It really depends on how much the covenant lean on humanity
If they ask for tithes in the form of resources, dont see a problem
humble yacht
it's ironic that the two arguing that humanity would be amenable to serving the covenant have covie avatars
terse lava
Not like they would put them in mainline military service here.knowing the danger
Are you really that shocked Chimera?
humble yacht
i didn't say shocked
terse lava
Well look at Britain and America.
Everyone was fine being a colonists until taxes.and other problems became too much
honest rune
Soooo do forerunners have tombs? cause that seems like they would have those
humble yacht
tombs? sort of
terse lava
All I am saying is if the covenant left humanity alone for the most part things would not be horrible
honest rune
and if so why has neither side tried cloning
humble yacht
humanity doesn't clone because of ethics
honest rune
besides the whole halo kills everything part
humble yacht
also technical limits
honest rune
Then why wouldn't covies try it for forerunners ?
also don't act like ONI doesn't exist
humble yacht
nobody said they didn't exist
Halsey is the premier scientist on all things forerunner and biological
honest rune
I mean the part of human ethnics
humble yacht
and even she couldn't make perfect clones
terse lava
Wait are you asking why the covenant didnt try to clone forerunners? They never found forerunner remains for starters
gilded mason
Then why wouldn't covies try it for forerunners ?```
They'd kinda need Forerunner genetic material to clone Forerunnerswe don't even know if the covenant had cloning technology
it may not have been of interest to them
terse lava
Belive broken circle implies they do
honest rune
oh I thought they were still like remains of forerunners somewhere thats why I brought up tombs
terse lava
When the prophet of inner conviction and his wife were chatting on the young San shyuum women brought, she figured the hierarch would have been happily trying something distasteful like cloning
Well there.are forerunner remains here and there
humble yacht
the only "remains" of forerunners ever uncovered was the Didact himself
honest rune
yea
terse lava
Nothing fresh for cloning obviously
humble yacht
there isn't viable dna in fossils
honest rune
Jeez I just thought of something terrifying
terse lava
I never said there was, was only pointing out the covenant found no forerunner remains what so ever
honest rune
what if either side had found some way of controlling the flood and if not then brokering a deal with the gravemind
humble yacht
not a very realistic "what if" question
honest rune
I know thats why its a what if!
versed helm
They tried that in The Mona Lisa, didnt work out too well.
humble yacht
lol
unique rune
Remember the end of Halo 3, when the Flood temporarily helped Chief and the Arbiter?
And then promptly turned on them?
honest rune
oh yeah
terse lava
Funny enough such an attempt was considered by a group of human ai called the Assembly. They changed their minds later
humble yacht
this is where Boromir comes in like "One does not simply control the Flood..."
humble yacht
:/
honest rune
boromir comes like two chapters later lol
humble yacht
you're so wrong
honest rune
in the tavern
humble yacht
i'm obviously referring to the film
humble yacht
where the meme comes from
versed helm
honest rune
So is the halo movie cannon orr naw since it says Legends?
im sorry halo movie Halo Legends
humble yacht
Every short in Legends is canon except Odd One Out
honest rune
b-but thats the best one
humble yacht
or rather, the events are canon, not necessarily the depiction
honest rune
So I never knew g=how the covenant got the Jiralhanae to join them.
humble yacht
they conquered them
humble yacht
it was join or die for the brutes
spiral jewel
Dumb question... Was the M392 DMR ever used during Alpha Halo (even though it's not present in CE or CEA)
terse lava
Better question is why did they bother with the jiralhanae
humble yacht
they were dumb and strong
terse lava
Likely were not any on the autumn
honest rune
well I mean the nickname brute kind of answers your question
humble yacht
plenty of uses for a race of dumb and strong beings
honest rune
Take humans for example!
humble yacht
well Thel wasn't a fan of the brutes so its not a stretch to think he didn't utilize them often
terse lava
I doubt many sangheili did unless forced too
honest rune
So when did exactly the covies recruit the brutes? cause it would sense during alpha halo conflict thel was the commander sor no brutes but were they part of the covenant then is the question?
humble yacht
like 50 years before the start of the war, or something like that
honest rune
ok
So kind of a weird question but were there any other factions like the banished? Like ones who turned from the covenant but not like Thel if you get what I mean like still bad guy factions.
humble yacht
there are essentially a limitless number of convenant splinter factions
and by extension a limitless number of reasons why those factions exist
honest rune
ok
So another weird one but how were covenant young teached? like on their home or on high charity and were they split or together?
humble yacht
very likely split by race
i doubt you'd see a classroom with elite young and grunt young learing together
honest rune
true
deep pewter
Elites seem to train the very young at home, at least
honest rune
But why the whole secret father for sangheili?
gilded mason
Meritocracy
honest rune
hol up while I look up that word
gilded mason
They want all young to start on an even playing field without any advantages
honest rune
Why not?
Wait
im dumb
but still I find it weird does anyone know if Thel is planning on changing that law?
gilded mason
It's not really a law per say
Just a tradition
One that's not even practiced everywhere
deep pewter
That’s what decommissioning is for
humble yacht
they did
terse lava
They delete then after 7years of service
humble yacht
smart AI have kill codes and manual override codes
except Cortana, who managed to remove hers somehow soon after birth
humble yacht
she was more fascinated than anything
honest rune
During the early years of most A.I were named after historical figures or mythological gods how come?
humble yacht
AI chose their own names and looks
humble yacht
between 3 and 4? nanobots
gilded mason
Eurgh
honest rune
huh
humble yacht
yep. it's just something we have to deal with
honest rune
That doesn't help explain why elites went from lvl 99 mob boss to lvl 1 thug
design wise
deep pewter
Juls covenant isn’t as well funded as the regular one
stoic hamlet
@gilded mason don’t fret, it was neural physics, not Nanobots!
gilded mason
Ah, okay! I'm happy now
gilded mason
Phenotype differences in the current explanation
deep pewter
A lot of soldiers in Juls forces are from a colony of Elites separate from Sanghelios
humble yacht
no
gilded mason
Subspecies is a bit more extreme
vagrant dagger
The covenant is a collection of different species to begin with
gilded mason
Phenotype is just all physical differences bewteen individuals
vagrant dagger
They have their own home planets
honest rune
true
vagrant dagger
Like Drones and Brutes are different species
honest rune
ok
stoic hamlet
It’s like an Asian man versus an African man, kinda.
Same species.
Just look different
humble yacht
... what
gaunt oakBOT
humble yacht
it's been handled
stoic hamlet
👍
vagrant dagger
Nah. Unless it got retconned, they are different species I'm 90% sure
deep pewter
They aren’t
humble yacht
Brutes and drones are different species, yes
deep pewter
Oh, thought we were still talking about Elites
terse lava
Agreed
stoic hamlet
Thirded
light igloo
what does 343 consider canon, the fall of reach animations or the books
seeing how different they are
keen canopy
Both Halo Reach and Halo: The Fall of Reach are canon. the 2019 edition of TFoR is the definitive version of TFoR, including it's comic and animated adaptations @light igloo
cold roost
Bungie kind of altered the whole cannon of halo with the Reach game, and from then on, went with it.
keen canopy
Bungie did change a lot with Halo Reach but they at least let Nylund write Halsey's Journal to smooth things over with TFoR. Then 343i made them work even better together with things like data drops.
cold roost
That is very true.
But who else is mad about how on the wrath and wrath anhur armor in h5 the kukri isn’t on the shoulder. And how Noble is symetrical.
Cuz I’m mad
It don’t look good.
stoic hamlet
I just don’t like the armour to begin with. It makes no sense as a variant.
None of Noble’s gear does, really.
cold roost
Yeah, other than to get people to buy that. Because nostalgia
I think the only good armor is Indomitable Eröd.
A good armor set personally is Mako Cthonic or any of the Recon or Hellcat sets
Just forget Seeker even exists
Cuz it sucks
stoic hamlet
Certain H5 Sets are good, IMO the more garish and “out there” sets don’t fit (aka most of them), and Halo would do better without that sort of style.
IMO anyways
cold roost
Agreed
versed helm
I personally like Helioskrill and Helljumper
cold roost
Same
stoic hamlet
Those are some of the good ones.
cold roost
What variant tho
cold roost
Feetfirst or normal
versed helm
Prob the normal one actually
cold roost
I like the normal helm and feetfirst armor
versed helm
All normal for me
stoic hamlet
The only two “out there sets I like in H5/4 is RECLUSE (for the lore) and IDK, I think PIONEER is kinda cool, it makes me think of like, what Spartans could be if they weren’t warriors but more explorers.
cold roost
Cool
versed helm
I loved Prefect from H4
cold roost
Pioneer is cool, but let’s acknowledge that any of the Foehammer sets exist.
stoic hamlet
PREFECT was cool, but it didn’t seem a good MJOLNIR variant, IMO.
cold roost
Cuz the suck
stoic hamlet
Lorewise it was awesome
But it departed a bit from the established style for me. (PREFECT, I mean)
versed helm
Yeah but out of most of the H4 armor I think Prefect is my favorite
cold roost
PREFECT-class Mjolnir is a variant of the MJOLNIR [GEN2] manufactured by the Watershed Division. It is reverse-engineered from the personal armor worn by Forerunner Prefects.[1]
Straight from the wiki
Which made this armor cool
I’ve seen Fotus get a lot of hate, opinions?
Anyone
terse lava
It's just a silly unicorn helmet, woo...
warm ridge
Oh wait you're talking about the Fotus helmet, ok.
inner basin
I would love to see the FOTUS Helmet be used to kill someone, either because it was thrown as if it were a knife, or they headbutted an enemy with it
versed helm
charging headfirst into battle a la FOTUS
inner basin
Hell jumpers are feet-first, FOTUS wearers are head-first
versed helm
what if a hell jumper wore a FOTUS?
versed helm
but would they jump feet first to stomp, or head first to impale?
bright briar
They'd stand in the drop pod upside down, with a little hole in the bottom for the horn to poke through.
tulip pivot
please write your favorite character and why
Catherine Halsey
she is in between good and evil
she is like the stereotype of the kidnaper that falls in love with his kidnaper but it's like a mother to children relationship
with the person he kidnaps sorry
carmine sleet
she is in between good and evil
she is like the stereotype of the kidnaper that falls in love with his kidnaper but it's like a mother to children relationship
with the person he kidnaps sorry
I wouldn't say she's a stereotype at all. I don't recall her behaviour to be that of a stereotypical kidnapper at all. Plus, she is clearly on the side of good, even if her methods are ones I cannot condone. Morally, she is very much in the wrong, given that kidnapping and raising children to be soldiers is horrible
tulip pivot
i said you could compare it to a kidnapper
and she is only good at the end of her life
carmine sleet
She's not dead