I can vaguely remember a few remarks about Jul.
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
carmine sleet
And agreed. Denning has been doing great with his stories for Halo
carmine sleet
I think part of it is just that Fred and Kelly's VAs have much more memorable voices to me
Granted, Fred is played by Travis Willingham so he's kinda hard to forget
versed helm
For some reason I always expected Fred to have a Latino accent
No basis for it. Just did.
This is up till Legends, I mean.
carmine sleet
I see
Honestly though, when it came to Fred, I kinda always had what Travis' Fred voice sounds like in mind. Really hope he's back to voice him again in the future
versed helm
Well, the mostly likely situation is that none of the VO changes.
And truth be told, I suddenly find myself a little worried at the prospect of H5's squads going away.
I hope there are still opportunities to fight alongside Blue.
feral perch
I was re-reading parts of Oblivion and I found a line of dialogue where Linda DOES use a contraction
versed helm
Oh, where?
feral perch
so it’s not even entirely consistent
carmine sleet
If Blue don't show up, I hope there's a good reason
feral perch
In one of the chapters where they’re interacting with the Castoffs, early on I think @versed helm
versed helm
What word was it?
carmine sleet
And I hope that reason isn't that they were killed. Because Blue Team should be there in Infinite
feral perch
Let me check
I think I might not be upset if Blue dies in Shadows of Reach for some reason.
versed helm
I think you might be a psycho
feral perch
Possible
carmine sleet
StoneWall, don't tell me you also have a heart of stone (Sorry, couldn't resist)
wet pollen
Now that I finished Hunters in the Dark I feel so bad for Tragic Solitude.
feral perch
Splendid Dust had a bad end
feral perch
page 154 hardcover, “I’m” @versed helm
versed helm
Hm.
wet pollen
Why not just trap the Huragok and Vale and kill the rest of the group.
He was interested in Vale for some reason.
carmine sleet
Why not swarm Earth with an army of Sentinels, then start mining?
wet pollen
The Retrievers were ok.
He died because of the team on the Ark.
Because he didn't kill them.
Which is stupid.
Or why not fire the Halos and not even use the portal.
Just use slipspace.
Go to Earth and fix the portal.
fair hazel
@hot tartan you need to change your name in accordance to the rules and guidelines
gaunt oakBOT
fair hazel
Ooooo small preview for the book. Music!
wet pollen
versed helm
I can definitely imagine a Spartan listening to Queen.
fair hazel
I would be unhappy if blue team died
versed helm
I can definitely imagine Kelly listening to Killer Queen.
It just works for some reason.
feral perch
It would be poetic for Blue to die on Reach.
versed helm
Well if there was gonna be a place
And yes, I have seen RvB
And as soon as I hear those voices
feral perch
If Cortana somehow causes their deaths, it would fuel Chief to defeat her in Infinite
versed helm
My mind disassociates them from Spartans
wet pollen
What about freelancers.
fair hazel
I think he already has motivation enough.
versed helm
VO isn't professional enough xD
carmine sleet
If Cortana somehow causes their deaths, it would fuel Chief to defeat her in Infinite
@feral perch I don't think Chief needs any more reason to fight her
fair hazel
What about them? Desolate?
versed helm
Also freelancers in general are pretty cringe.
feral perch
Hey, it’s just an idea.
wet pollen
They are far more related to spartans than the reds and blues.
carmine sleet
Hey, don't say that. The Freelancers are great
fair hazel
Besides I think the way they look is based on halo infinite look.
feral perch
I don’t want Blue Team to die in Shadows of Reach. But right now, I think I wouldn’t riot if they do. That may change.
wet pollen
Also freelancers in general are pretty cringe.
@versed helm
fair hazel
They’re not related because they’re not part of the halo universe
fair hazel
Different universe
wet pollen
Doesn't matter.
fair hazel
It does.
wet pollen
It's something both of them share.
carmine sleet
Yes, they can fight and that is a similarity, but the Knights of the Round Table can fight as well. Does that mean King Arthur is now related to the Master Chief because of that similarity?
feral perch
Do they? How do we know the armor they wear is actually Mjolnir?
carmine sleet
I don't remember King Arthur wearing Mjolnir
Oh, you were referring to RvB. That armour is not Mjolnir
wet pollen
I don't remember King Arthur wearing Mjolnir
@carmine sleet lmao. freelancers.
I guess you're right. They don't seem to have shields.
I was just trying to say that if you have a hard time thinking of the reds and blues as Spartans, it could be easier with freelancers.
Obviously none of them are spartans.
carmine sleet
The Reds and Blues were never meant to be Spartans
Nobody was having a hard time seeing them as Spartans either
wet pollen
My mind disassociates them from Spartans
@versed helm this.
It will be far easier to imagine Spartans doing all sorts of things.
@wet pollen and this.
versed helm
Freelancers are so over the top they're basically just as goofy
carmine sleet
I feel like I should be hiding my profile picture from you now, Looters
wet pollen
If I recall correctly, it's because of one of the principles of animation.
I feel like I should be hiding my profile picture from you now, Looters
@carmine sleet lmao
Freelancers are so over the top they're basically just as goofy
@versed helm well, Spartans are described far more agile in the books than what they seem able to do in the games.
carmine sleet
There's a difference between agile and over the top
feral perch
Do vinyl records still exist in the 26th century?
versed helm
Presumably
carmine sleet
Like, we're not going to see a Spartan jumping off of a building, skydiving a large box into the back of a Pelican and then somehow managing to catch the back of a Warthog before carrying on a chase their teammates weren't apart of down a busy highway
deep pewter
I wouldn’t want to see RTs style of choreography anywhere near an official game
feral perch
They should have been blurs.
feral perch
Chief never should have missed a punch tbh
versed helm
The comparison I like to make with Spartan speed is... y'all ever played Dead Space?
feral perch
Yep
wet pollen
Nope :c
feral perch
Stasis, right?
feral perch
Aah, Twitchers
versed helm
Fighting a Spartan would be a bit like that
Unnerving to a similar extent too
But they'd have very efficient movements
None of these huge haymakers you see in Halo 5
feral perch
Imagine fighting a [CORRUPTER]
versed helm
There's a bit from Palace Hotel where Chief kills a jackal by stabbing it in the brain, using his fingers as like a stabbing implement
Basically what he did to Keyes
That's pure Spartan
feral perch
Sick
carmine sleet
I thought he just punched through Keyes' skull?
feral perch
Yeah he punched it
versed helm
In The Flood it describes him sorta
Shovelling
It's pretty full-on
Anyway, another thing I think is pretty characteristic of Spartans fighting
That bit from Fireteam Raven where Chief just like, tosses a grunt into the ceiling offhandedly while engaging other enemies
versed helm
That's what I like to see.
wet pollen
I think Spartans can run at like 60 kmph.
feral perch
The Flood isn’t as bad as many fans say it is
I wouldn’t skip it in a series read-through.
versed helm
The Flood was the first Halo book I read, actually.
The gritty military-ness and ultra-violence really shaped the way I look at Halo.
Honestly, the biggest issue with it is just that it's outdated.
And also the bits where Dietz just recanted gameplay
But everything he added was kinda brilliant.
wet pollen
Oh.
Then why are they populated.
What's the point of saving a species if they are going to die when the Halos fire.
versed helm
I think the rings were re-populated... after the firing?
For... aesthetic purposes?
Maybe I'm wrong
terse lava
You are
versed helm
Yeah, that'd make the Forerunners a bit too extra.
terse lava
Lifeforms on a halo are safe from the blast
We see that in the 2nd forerunner novel where the halo tested at charrum Hakkor and later the capital battle. Primitive humans had been put in that ring decades earlier and witnessed both blasts
A halo ring is capable of putting areas as well into stasis
versed helm
Wonder where I got my wrong notion from.
terse lava
I dont know
wet pollen
Thanks.
and
How fast is the blast?
The beam energy of the installations cannot travel slower than light, and ultimately, will propagate at near-infinite velocities.
Halo Silentium.
It doesn't say how fast tho.
versed helm
Fast enough for some seriously screwy relativistic effects.
wet pollen
I think that for the blast to cover the whole galaxy it takes something like...
3 days?
versed helm
Worth bearing in mind that it's 7 separate rings covering their own area.
As if it could be forgotten xD
fair hazel
Sometimes I see some stuff in reddit and it annoys me because its wrong. Like thinking that John's presence on the life pod killed the marines and pilot.
feral perch
"Heroic difficulty is canon difficulty."
carmine sleet
The one thing that annoys me the most is when people claim that Master Chief has the Didact's geas
wet pollen
CE?
Oh wth.
Discord bad.
I sometimes think forerunners are shown less powerful than they really are.
How could possibly a human destroy something made by these gods.
versed helm
They're not gods. The covenant believed them to be gods because the Forerunner tech they found was far superior to their own, making them seem like gods in the Covey's vision
The forerunners are just extinct aliens who were eons ahead of 2500's humanity
carmine sleet
Their technology was far more advanced than what the Covenant has
wet pollen
And yet some 10000 years old species can destroy their machines.
carmine sleet
Being more advanced does not mean their technology will be indestructible
wet pollen
It should.
carmine sleet
Plus, pretty sure all the races in Halo are older than 10000 years old
wet pollen
Humans.
I was thinking about the Retrievers from Hunters in the Dark.
I thought armor was pretty standard across forerunner ships.
Or sentinels.
Weak.
Their shields are a joke.
Their main weapon too.
You could easily fit a Spartan Laser inside a sentinel.
versed helm
Well, it's not like the Forerunners had time to build a perfect Sentinel, but yes they are jokes compared to other Forerunner tech
wet pollen
Maybe it's because of gameplay.
If one sentinel could kill you in one second Halo CE would be unbeatable.
carmine sleet
Wait? You were going off of gameplay for how strong stuff is in lore?
wet pollen
No no no.
Lore and gameplay.
I think forerunners should be more powerful.
Because that's what they want to make you think. Forerunners are powerful.
I mean, just throw John to a shield world and bam, no more shield world.
Gone.
Reduced to atoms.
Why isn't the standard forerunner weapon something like a Spartan Laser but with no need of cooldown? You could replace those weak Halo 4 turrets with a bunch of them and no intruder will get in.
That little forerunner pistol is... a joke. I actually laughed when I first used it. There is no need for it to exist if it can't deal more damage than a plasma pistol. Forerunners are big, why make a pistol so tiny and weak?
feral perch
Crawlers use Boltshots.
As do Manipulars.
I might even say that they're intentionally small and weak because Forerunners were an extremely class-based society.
wet pollen
Crawlers use Boltshots.
@feral perch that explains the size.
But... Idk I still feel like forerunners should be intelligent and advanced enough to make something powerful and small. After all, the whole point of crawlers is to defeat enemies, right?
Maybe the Covenant didn't give every grunt a Fuel Rod gun because they don't have enough.
feral perch
The only depiction of Crawlers during the Forerunner era that I've seen is of Abaddon's Crawlers in Promises to Keep.
I have no idea what they were used for during the height of the Flood war.
unique rune
I mean.
You still have to remember that the BoltShot's power in-game relative to other things isn't fully representative of canon.
wet pollen
Wut.
feral perch
I've only seen Knights fighting the Flood, not other Prometheans.
unique rune
There is no need for it to exist if it can't deal more damage than a plasma pistol. Forerunners are big, why make a pistol so tiny and weak?
Presumably it'd do more damage than a Plasma Pistol, just like how Plasma Pistols are super deadly in-universe compared to their dinky in-game counterparts...
wet pollen
They nerfed it for gameplay purposes?
unique rune
Uh.
Yeah.
Pretty much everything is, otherwise Halo really wouldn't be any fun to play.
wet pollen
Ok then the Boltshot isn't actually that bad...
I was expecting something like Spartan Laser damage.
Lmao.
Maybe I'm insane.
carmine sleet
The Boltshot does not blow up tanks like a Splaser does in lore
last anchor
Nah, youre fine.
The ones from Halo 4 were closer to the overall destructiveness.
The Incin and the Binary anyway
wet pollen
That's what troubles me.
last anchor
Actually to be entirely fair Slip, the Splaser causes anything it hits to explode.
See the Package, where Fred literally detonates an entire platform of Covenant.
wet pollen
I would expect any kind of forerunner weapon to absolutely destroy me in an instant.
Huh?
Game?
last anchor
Needless to say gameplay does NOT equal lore XD
Case in point and a favorite of mine;
The wraith mortar? In canon each shot excavates a 25 foot wide glowing hole in the ground.
wet pollen
Actually to be entirely fair Slip, the Splaser causes anything it hits to explode.
See the Package, where Fred literally detonates an entire platform of Covenant.
@last anchor that's the kind of damage I was looking for.
last anchor
Yeah thats what it can do in canon.
Theoretically Selene's Lance could do even MORE since its overclocked...
last anchor
Third Spartan Laser variant in Halo 5.
You have the base Spartan Laser
Then the Endgame which is anti-infantry use (less damage, faster charge and fire time)
And the Selenes Lance, which is the opposite (longer charge, targeting laser damages, hits like a truck)
wet pollen
Ohh.
unique rune
I think the Lance actually has a reduced charge time compared to the base M6/E.
wet pollen
What's the name of that forerunner weapon that is like a fuel rod gun?
Actually I think it deals more damage.
feral perch
Incineration Cannon
feral perch
The Scattershot is like a shotgun.
feral perch
The Incineration Cannon is like a rocket launcher.
fading pendant
Naa it a rocket launcher
wet pollen
That divide when they explode.
last anchor
Incineration Cannon
fading pendant
It shoots a singular shot which splits into 3
fading pendant
It's got same principle of a cluster grenade
last anchor
Theres only like, five forerunner weapons, we'll get em XD
wet pollen
Just very close together.
fading pendant
I think it is 4
last anchor
Its 4 Im pretty sure yeah.
feral perch
It's not like a shotgun
fading pendant
A cluster type rocket launcher
fading pendant
No this shoots 1 shot that splits into 4
wet pollen
Hm.
fading pendant
Shotgun short range
last anchor
Also they tend to be more spread out, whereas the reason the Incin is so nasty is its cluster charge has RANGE.
wet pollen
Shotgun shoot bullet that shoot littler bullet.
xd
Then you could make a smaller weapon that fires only one of the explosive thingys.
Something like a grenade launcher.
Just an Incineration Cannon but four times less powerful.
That weapon would be smaller and could be carried by Crawlers.
Instead of those stupid pistols.
last anchor
Yeah the Crawler Snipers from 4 were bad enough jeez...
Also they have loads.
Honestly the sandbox is getting almost cluttered at this point with how many weapons they got
feral perch
There's tons of weapons in 5
wet pollen
Good to hear.
wet pollen
But what about the SPNKr?
versed helm
It's in multiplayer.
versed helm
Nah. The campaign only has the M57 Pilum.
feral perch
The Pilum makes more sense than the SPNKr
wet pollen
I honestly don't care.
versed helm
I think the ridiculousness of the SPNKr is overstated.
feral perch
I didn't say the SPNKr was ridiculous.
versed helm
🙄
wet pollen
How could you possibly decide to erase the SPNKr from existence?
wet pollen
It's the same.
feral perch
... no
wet pollen
ye
feral perch
that except the opposite
carmine sleet
The SPNKr is in Halo 5
wet pollen
Some guy said it does not appear in the campaign.
versed helm
It does not appear in the campaign.
wet pollen
in*
carmine sleet
That is correct, but that doesn't mean it's not in the game
versed helm
It was added after launch when a lot of people had the same reaction as you.
versed helm
That is a pretty good question.
wet pollen
I'm now serious.
carmine sleet
You don't encounter AA Wraiths in the campaign of Halo 5 either, doesn't mean there isn't any in the game
versed helm
I consider it to be a good design that has no reason to exist.
wet pollen
Exactly.
last anchor
Im jujst wondering what made the UNSC decide ot have a launcher like that.
wet pollen
The SPNKr is so beautiful.
last anchor
Seriously the weight on that thing must be astronomical.
versed helm
Generally speaking a theme with Halo 5 is that all the weapons are kinda, made more realistic.
feral perch
The Pilum is fine.
versed helm
Or rather they're made more tacticool.
wet pollen
Wonderful word.
last anchor
Which Im fine with tbh.
Why cant the UNSC have multiple kinds of rocket launchers even.
carmine sleet
Unpopular opinion, I prefer the Pilum over the SPNKr
versed helm
Perhaps someone at 343 thought the SPNKr didn't fit in with that more operator aesthetic.
last anchor
I mean it doesnt really, its kinda...bulky and weird looking.
It looks like a hammer rather than a scalple
wet pollen
Perhaps someone at 343 thought the SPNKr didn't fit in with that more operator aesthetic.
@versed helm that is probably what happened but... how.
Why
What
Who could do that.
Maybe a noob.
New employee?
feral perch
no
wet pollen
New to Halo.
versed helm
If 343 wanted to be operator they should have probably paid more attention to the obvious glaring inconsistencies I bring up fairly frequently.
Instead they just stepped in doodoo for no reason.
feral perch
Why would they let someone without tried-and-true decision making skills change something like that?
wet pollen
I don't know.
feral perch
Obviously someone with some experience was responsible.
versed helm
I mean to be fair the Pilum's animation and reload is pretty cool.
wet pollen
Like
feral perch
The SPNKr isn't the be-all end-all of Halo.
feral perch
It's attitudes like yours, Desolate, that are probably why we don't know anything about Halo Infinite yet.
versed helm
Let's not be immature about this.
feral perch
I'm serious.
wet pollen
Seriously tho.
versed helm
I meant to Desolate
feral perch
ah
If Halo fans were fair, we might have gotten a few screenshots or something at this point.
wet pollen
I can't be the only one who thinks like this.
feral perch
You're not. There are lots of people who agree with you.
feral perch
:/
versed helm
Part of why we're not engaging in such a spirited discussion is that this conversation has happened about 30 trillion times since Halo 5 released.
It's like
Just beginning to die off.
versed helm
Clearly 343 has gotten the message if the Infinite toys are anything to go by.
feral perch
Wasn't the SPNKr held by one of the figures?
versed helm
I believe so.
wet pollen
That's good news.
Why would anyone want toys anyway.
Lmao
Idk maybe I would buy one.
feral perch
I'd like it if they call it the Jackhammer in Halo Infinite.
wet pollen
What?
versed helm
That's the colloquial term UNSC soldiers use for SPNKr-compatible rocket tubes.
They call them jackhammers.
wet pollen
The missile?
versed helm
The tubes.
versed helm
The tube is the launcher.
wet pollen
I'm sorry it's just that english isn't my first language.
versed helm
The twin M19 SSM tube unifies with a fire control module to become the M41 MAV/AW
unique rune
I mean. It's not like the SPNKr was ever really called anything other than "the rocket launcher" in the other games. Calling it the Jackhammer just gives it another nickname.
versed helm
It would be nice to hear the term used.
wet pollen
I am now depressed.
terse lava
Well I certainly missed a bit again
carmine sleet
Someone may have called it that in ODST
carmine sleet
Honestly, give me the Pilum as a purely ground to ground rocket launcher for ground based targets. Then give me the SPNKr as a surface to air rocket launcher or something like that and I'd be fine
feral perch
Agreed.
I'd like to see multiple Assault Rifle variants in-game too. MA5B and MA40 side-by-side please.
wet pollen
That would be awesome.
versed helm
What they cannot do
unique rune
I just want the Stanchion as a usable weapon
versed helm
Is have the MA5B fire its majestic 60 rounds
And the MA40 fire a 32-36 round magazine
wet pollen
60 plastic rounds.
versed helm
And keep pretending that they're firing the same round
feral perch
Give the MA5B caseless ammunition.
versed helm
But then you don't get the tumbling brass
I think just give it like, a visibly extended mag
feral perch
hmmmmm
versed helm
Honestly if it was up to me I'd go all-in MW-style customization
wet pollen
That would mess with the design.
versed helm
Yeah, who cares
wet pollen
Lmao
feral perch
like this
unique rune
"Hey guys, we just wanted to announce for Infinite that we're gonna have the MA5B and MA40 side by side. And to piss off one guy in particular, they're still gonna be firing the same ammo!"
carmine sleet
Give the MA5B a drum mag
versed helm
The design in CE cannot exist alongside other designs and retain the ammo count
feral perch
oh nvm
wet pollen
KAJXKAKDNAKDK
versed helm
Absurd
feral perch
LOL @unique rune
versed helm
To the extent that people will have their immersion broken. You would have your immersion broken
You don't need to be a gun nerd for this to be blindingly obvious
It's like
Preschool stuff
How many things can fit in this thing
Clearly not this many
versed helm
They're 7.62x51mm FMJ rounds.
wet pollen
Whoops.
versed helm
They have a cartridge neck size of 12mm.
wet pollen
Big ants.
versed helm
The overall cartridge is about 70mm.
feral perch
Introducing the Slipspace™ magazine
versed helm
I've done the quick maths
terse lava
welcome to tonight's piece of Looter Theater
carmine sleet
Looters knows what he's talking about, Desolate
terse lava
He does
wet pollen
I'm pretty new to this server.
unique rune
"We at Misriah Armory are proud to announce new Slipspace ammunition, so now you can fire more bullet per bullet"
wet pollen
Please don't kill me.
terse lava
Dont worry we wont kill you
wet pollen
Thanks.
terse lava
Brand you with bthe mark of shame maybe
carmine sleet
"Parade you through the city by your entrails" still hasn't been ruled out
versed helm
Anyway basically how I'd do it
Is you get the CE-style MA5B
But it only has the same ammo count as the other MA5s/MA40s which have the same magazine
feral perch
What if 7.62x51 in the future is made out of a ~titanium alloy~ that compresses like rubber to fit in the mag XD
versed helm
And then there'd be some kind of extended mag variant or weapon customization thing
wet pollen
And when it fires it turns hard as... bullets.
versed helm
But truth be told it'd probably just be best if 343 retconned all MA5s into firing different ammo.
Since you could only fit about 24 rounds of 7.62x51 in the magazines seen anyway
feral perch
I just realized there's probably going to be some people who hear the term "MA40" and think that it's "MA4D"
._.
wet pollen
ye
odd elm
hopefully it's spelled out in the HUD then
versed helm
It's a bit of a non-issue
wet pollen
Why not just use the plasma pistol.
It's so good.
And you don't worry about ammo making sense.
I guess.
Unless you're some kind of plasma nerd.
terse lava
Covenant weapons best
carmine sleet
Plasma based weapons use batteries
wet pollen
Battery nerd*
carmine sleet
Batteries don't have the same storage issues as a weapon's magazine
wet pollen
But you can figure out if a battery has enough power to fire certain amount of shots.
If you are given the specs.
versed helm
Yeah, but the specs can change if it's sci fi.
wet pollen
ye
terse lava
Indeed
versed helm
You just claim it's a battery that uses tech we don't have today.
terse lava
We could say it is battery powered by vacuum energy
wet pollen
Vacuum energy?
terse lava
And only goes dead due to the battery unable to keep going
wet pollen
I've never heard that term.
unique rune
It's the energy used to power vacuum cleaners /s
versed helm
It's freaky quantum stuff
wet pollen
Dark energy?
versed helm
Too advanced for the Covenant. Probably.
terse lava
Yes, in the halo verse, it applies to energy that forerunners used for their technolgy
gilded mason
It’s when you use the power of other universes’ Big Bangs as an energy source, or something like that
terse lava
Yes, infinite power
wet pollen
That's precursor stuff.
gilded mason
No
terse lava
Nope
gilded mason
It’s Forerunner stuff
wet pollen
If it involves other universes...
terse lava
Precursor is neural physics
It involves other universes in the form of consuming the energy of an infinite baby universes, wiping them out
That's vacuum en8
Energy
wet pollen
It should be unlimited then.
terse lava
It is
wet pollen
No recharging then?
terse lava
shrug
wet pollen
Set invulnerability.
versed helm
To some extent
terse lava
Not fully everything but most major stuff
carmine sleet
Heat would still be an issue, at some point, the shields would shut off due to overheating
wet pollen
Just put a fan.
lol
Use that heat to generate more energy.
Refrigerators should generate energy.
terse lava
Ok?
wet pollen
The government is stealing our hot banana energy.
carmine sleet
Desolate, I don't think you quite understand how energy works
wet pollen
Jskdjsjksk
carmine sleet
You can't generate energy, you can only change the state the energy is in
wet pollen
Hot banana has energy.
wet pollen
You put hot banana into refrigerator. Government steals hot banana energy.
terse lava
.....
carmine sleet
Why don't you try that Desolate, tell us how much energy you get
wet pollen
When you plug in your refrigerator it's actually generating energy and sending it to power plants.
LMAO
Tomorrow I'm like guys turn on the TV.
terse lava
Hm, anyway, anyone think the covenant could have unlocked vacuum energy?
unique rune
I sure missed some... nonsense.
terse lava
Yea...
subtle kettle
Why is that censored
anyways
Can someone explain to me about this Neuro metaphysics or whatever.
(Lore noob)
terse lava
One moment
versed helm
It's a concept which is meant to be relatively enigmatic.
subtle kettle
Ahh i see
versed helm
In short it's the science of sentience.
subtle kettle
What do they use it for, what are it's applications
versed helm
Well, if you do it right, you can manipulate reality in some pretty esoteric ways.
versed helm
It's kinda hard to speculate about how it works
Since neural physics seems to relate heavily to consciousness
And the nature of consciousness is probably the greatest philosophical mystery of the modern age.
subtle kettle
Could it be used as a weapon?
versed helm
Basically, it's what you can achieve once you can understand what makes us not just alive but aware.
feral perch
legend has it that the Precursors could make a mean apple pie
terse lava
No wonder the forerunner rebelled. They must have preferred chocolate silk pie
wet pollen
Why didn't the precursors defend themselves?
terse lava
Whiny buggers
As for why they didn't defend, they likely wanted to experience it as apparently no creation of theirs had rebelled before
wet pollen
Interesting.
versed helm
Honestly
We know nothing about that went down
All we've heard are the ramblings of a manipulative, vengeful entity
It's probably best not to speculate too much unless we get something solid
wet pollen
Is the Domain working?
versed helm
.... Yes?
versed helm
It's not what it used to be
versed helm
The firing of the Halo array is harmful to neural physics... stuff
And the Domain is neural physics stuff
So it was damaged
But Cortana seems to be making use of it
versed helm
Apparently he was incorrect.
wet pollen
Or lied.
versed helm
Very likely.
wet pollen
In an attempt to stop the forerunners from firing.
Why did I even explain it.
Nowait.
terse lava
He could of ment simply the data and everything in the domain be wiped out
wet pollen
When the gravemind told the Librarian about the Domain, that it would be destroyed, the Halos had already fired.
wet pollen
"You don't understand me, Librarian. The effects of Halo radiation are already felt."
What does that mean.
They were preparing to fire?
wet pollen
Huh
terse lava
Alpha Halo had detected pre echoes of the entire Halo array firing before they were
wet pollen
Think of me as a 2 years old kid.
terse lava
.............ok?
wet pollen
Now try to explain that again.
terse lava
....the halo from the first game, alpha halo, made a report to bornsteller. It said that an echo of the full array blast happened
wet pollen
an echo
terse lava
Yes, a pre echo
wet pollen
like when you shout in a big room?
terse lava
In other words the blast went so fast at infinite velocity That it was detected through space and time
terse lava
Good
wet pollen
Thanks!
terse lava
Welcome
wet pollen
Then why would the gravemind lie about the Domain?
If there was nothing they could do.
Just to make the forerunners suffer?
Or maybe the Domain was located outside the galaxy.
Maybe a part of it was safe, like a backup.
That would explain why the didact couldn't access it.
terse lava
It wanted to give them pain, to know even their final victory was an utter defeat
They beat the flood, but lost their entire culture, history, knowledge, and all the minds of countless forerunners who were in the domain(on death, forerunners' minds apparently were uploaded into the domain)
All gone, nothing left
wet pollen
Except it somehow survived.
terse lava
In a way, I would say like a box
terse lava
The box contained all forerunner stuff. The array wiped out everything in it
And damaged it
It was fixed, but nothing there
wet pollen
Either way anything about the precursors wasn't going to be recovered.
So that's
good?
I mean, they didn't destroy the information about precursors.
terse lava
That's gone too, everythingbthe precursors put in the domain
wet pollen
It was long gone before the Halos fired.
terse lava
It was there still, just not usable by forerunners
wet pollen
It was one of the forerunner books. Information was distorted with the passage of time until
yes
that
terse lava
It was "locked" in a sense
wet pollen
Do you think Halo 5's story is bad?
terse lava
I am not fond of it
versed helm
People are, I think, overly harsh on it.
I would describe it as serviceable.
I'm actually quite fond of the ending, or rather, the endpoint.
wet pollen
What is fond?
I feel so stupid.
Aficionado.
Right.
I don't understand why people hate it so much.
I mean the chief hunt part was stupid imo.
But after reading the forerunner trilogy I started to like Halo 5.
terse lava
Well the elephant in the room would be usually Cortana coming back, alongbwith the Warden
inner basin
Still an awful decision imo. Like I still don’t understand how Brian Reed even came up with that idea instead of literally anything that makes a bit more sense
terse lava
Yea, and for me personally, no playable sangheili. Visit the homeworld, get their items in forge, but no sangheili themselves. Anyway though had high charity survived the war, could it have been useful?
unique rune
If cleared of the Flood, maybe?
Though without the Anodyne Spirit present powering it might be a bit of an issue...
fair hazel
Looks like I missed... something..
terse lava
Yes in this case had the flood failed at getting the city or at least, contained
versed helm
Unsc dog
Yo what if there is a plot twist where you find out Johnson turned into a promethean and teamed up with 343 guilty sparks and you have to fight them
terse lava
.......what?
carmine sleet
Yo what if there is a plot twist where you find out Johnson turned into a promethean and teamed up with 343 guilty sparks and you have to fight them
@versed helm That wouldn't be a plot twist, that would be a very bad retcon that makes no sense
versed helm
unsc use doggos
versed helm
I saw something that said th unsc use dogs in the conflict might be wrong
Like sgt.laddie a dog
terse lava
I doubt they did
rigid owl
maybe he means dog tags
inner basin
I don’t think he does. It sounds like he’s talking about the animal
terse lava
He means did humanity use dogs against the covenant
inner basin
That would probably be animal cruelty
If that’s a thing in the Halo universe
But they didn’t (use dogs) so it’s all good
terse lava
Waste of time too
inner basin
I mean besides from lore standpoints, it probably wouldn’t sit well with audiences and could have some real world implications
inner basin
Well yeah but not as bad as reading about dogs dying to superhot plasma
terse lava
Well there is also the point that dogs would have been useless When facing the covenant.
You know now that I think about it, the covenant did not use any domesticated creatures either
fair hazel
they had plans to use the guta be creatures ridden by the covenatn
the covenant did have creatures
terse lava
I have seen that art of kig-yar riding them but ultimately the closest we had in canon was the shariqoui I think
scarlet hinge
Some fun stuff. Me and some of the guys on Halopedia have been figuring out where Farkas Lake is, and we're pretty sure we found a match - south-west of Alexandria https://i.gyazo.com/39a365991fec6521ab46435959bf1593.mp4
terse lava
Remind me, Farkas Lake?
gilded mason
👍
exotic zinc
So does ONI only concern itself with things that involve the Navy and Marines? Or does it also cover all the other branches?
fair hazel
Do you mean do they use other operatives? or what
exotic zinc
Is their jurisdiction only with things concerning the Navy or Marine Corps. So if the Army had a secret program would ONI still be overseeing it? Would the Army have it's own Intelligence department?
versed helm
Yeah.
Colonel Ackerson, who was responsible for the Spartan III program, was a member of the Army.
ONI worked alongside him.
Same thing with NOBLE. NOBLE were technically part of the Army as of The Fall of Reach, and ONI was able to use them to achieve its goals.
versed helm
Why was the main intelligence ONI? In real life, The United States Office of Naval Intelligence exists, but isn't as functioning as the CIA
rotund parcel
Because the UNSC is the United Nations Space Command. Their ONI is vastly different and more authoritative than the USN ONI.
Have to keep in mind that the events surrounding Halo are roughly 400-500 years in the future and a lot changes.
rotund parcel
It could have been. But this is how Bungie wrote the lore 😆
versed helm
aight, I guess ONI is more interesting in a way
We should see FORECON, and as a small easter egg, make an NCO called, Sergeant Castle
rotund parcel
When they are referring to Office of Naval Intelligence they are treating the UNSC rank structure similar to how the US Navy operates. I suppose it's because Space is like the Ocean and Space Ships are like, well, "Ships"... as though they are sailing through the ocean of space.
Like Space Marines too lol
versed helm
I like how a lieutenant addresses Johnson as a, "Sir."
rotund parcel
According to my understanding, the UNSC is a conglomerate of countries on Earth like the modern day United Nations. Except, the UNSC has WAY more power. And during the events of the Halo universe they have established and operate their own versions of Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force. Each with their own established jurisdiction and all falling under the UNSC umbrella. However, differences that come to mind would be how the Navy of the UNSC operates as the largest branch and in many cases overseeing the other 3. Hence why ONI overseas various operations from other branches. Not to mention that ONI is a shady group in its own right. They don't really follow established rules and operate in a shadow kind of environment. Similar to how the CIA of modern day operates, or like the KGB. They have almost too much governmental power because of the Emergency powers given to them to quell the insurrectionists. This in turn just carries over after First Contact at Harvest and the rest is history so to speak.
stoic dirge
What happened to Arbiter after Halo 3?
rotund parcel
If my memory serves me correctly he went back to the remnants of the Covenant to rebuild the Covenant, however, this time with a different ideology. I think it is touched upon in Halo4 but this is why you are still fighting Covenant. Because they splintered into different factions all fighting for control. Essentially, the multi-headed hydra of the Covenant was slain, however the heads now fighting against each other to determine who should lead.
stoic dirge
Halo 4 was my first Halo game
When I first seen the Elites, I was scared, my sister was scared too after seeing an Elite.
rotund parcel
I highly recommend playing through the Trilogy. Although Halo 1 and 2 show their age, they are great games. Halo 3 holds up surprisingly well. Halo 3 ODST is sort of a bonus side story built into the events of Halo 3. It's optional, but still a fan acclaimed game that was beloved at the time.
stoic dirge
I also play Halo 1 and 2
rotund parcel
Halo 3 is the Finale so of the first 3 games, so you should definitely give it a playthrough. It answers a lot of unanswered questions that you may have from Halo 4.
stoic dirge
I finished Halo 4 after 1 year
I'm planning to buy Halo MCC
My mom introduced me to Halo
rotund parcel
Halo MCC currently only has Halo Reach and Halo 1. The others will be releasing later.
Halo Reach is another great game for learning more about the Halo Universe and it's beginning.
stoic dirge
What happened to the Flood after Halo 3?
vague scroll
It’s not as coordinated since the Gravemind was heavily injuried. The flood still had a presence aboard the High Charity wreckage and attempted to make a new Gravemind during the events of HW2’s dlc
Awakening the Nightmare
There are still pockets of flood research facilities left across galactic space as well with flood samples stored within
rare lotus
I think on the Ark, when High Charity invaded during halo 3. However the explosion wasn’t enough to destroy all of high charity. So a lot of flood still live within high charity. But is sealed off.
vague scroll
Essentially that
keen canopy
@unique hornet You asked about how Marcus Stacker survived the Battle of I04... long story short he probably didn't because he was never there in the first place. The Stacker CE model only has one scripted appearance in Halo CE, and that was taken by Waller in The Flood.
He ended up in Halo 2 as a generic, unnamed Sergeant, who Bungie internally called "Sergeant Gruff". And then the crew who worked on ADatB decided to canonize him as "Sergeant Stacker" (the first time that was ever stated as his in-universe name, rather than just Bungie calling him Sergeant insert voice actor here). Then again he was never named externally, the only place you can see his name is in the Making of ADatB ViDoc where each of the ODST's in-universe names are displayed.
He ended up in Halo 3 again as a generic sergeant, and was never named. Bungie later canonized Halo 3 Stacker in Halo Reach's Armory. They also decided to put Stacker in the Battle of Reach in a place that makes it incredibly dubious for him to somehow get aboard the PoA.
And then Halo 4 came along and 343i again canonized Halo 2/Halo 3/Halo Reach Stacker. But to this day there's actually nothing connecting the Halo CE marine Sergeant to the Marcus Stacker character. At the end of the day we have Gunnery Sergeant Marcus Stacker, an in-universe character across Halo 2-4, and "Sergeant Stacker" a Marine Sergeant model in Halo CE voiced by Pete Stacker, who represents a number of in-universe characters, including Waller.
I'm of the opinion nobody else survived the Ring's Destruction. We know both 343i and Bungie consider/considered Chips Dubbo a joke character. And we know Bungie put marketing material lowest on the Canon Hierarchy, and 343i consider Believe "non-core canon". Grim even recently wrote off the entirety of Deliver Hope as just "a commercial" and told us to not take much stock in it. So that writes off Thomas Chang as well.
inner basin
I am the polar opposite. I believe Chips Dubbo is a canon character, and while his appearance in CE is the only dubious part of the canon (same with Stacker), their appearances thereafter to me are canonical
One can make the argument they escaped the ring via other means, maybe using Covenant air craft (perhaps a Phantom). Maybe other ODSTs on the PoA joined them as Stacker is known to be an ODST too
keen canopy
His appearance in CE isn't the only dubious part. Dubbo has a scripted line on Regret's temple looking up at High Charity's fleet arriving. No way out of that situation alive either.
And ONI didn't mention finding any survivors in Nightfall.
inner basin
They didn’t mention it, or they said they didn’t find any survivors
It’s been a while since I’ve watched Nightfall
keen canopy
Me too, but I don't think they mentioned survivors at all.
Either way, There's still exactly zero evidence connecting the CE Sergeant to actual Stacker.
inner basin
Well it could be due to it being classified as Johnson mentions how he escaped was classified to the Master Gunnery Sergeant in the armoury.
As for the Sergeant and Stacker that is just an assumption
keen canopy
Even if you go on the assumption that M. Stacker was on I04, there's exactly zero places he can appear canonically in CE. His only scripted appearance is taken by Waller.
The rest are all randomized appearances and have no scriped dialogue, thus they can't be taken as canon.
inner basin
Well at least now I know he wasn’t canonically there during CE’s events
keen canopy
Makes sense with how we know Johnson and John returned to Earth without breaking the Cole Protocol
Even if others survived, and got picked up later on by ONI, they'd be back to earth too late to participate in Halo 2.
inner basin
It still upsets me how many ODSTs could have survived CE, but because Silva decided to take the T&R (carrying Flood in the hold) to Earth, Melissa made a brave decision to sever the Cruiser's fiber-optics connection to the reactor's bridge, blowing it up. It’s a shame that Silva became delusional as this may have been able to have been avoided
keen canopy
Yep that always gets to me too. I wish Melissa just knocked him out, took command, brought the ship a safe distance from the ring, and then focused on clearing it of Flood
She was okay with giving up her life, why not just take a courtmartial on the chin.
I get it though, the Flood are literally a nightmare come to life and she didn't want it spreading
inner basin
Yeah she made a split decision so that’s what she did. But she could’ve at least attempted to stop Silva first, it’s not like they were near Earth or anything
terse lava
Was for the best anyway
Had they taken the Vessel into orbit, they would have trouble making sure no flood were in the hull of the Truth and Reconciliation
bright briar
Also, could the flood have seen the co-ordinates entered into the ship and figured out where Earth was? Assuming they didn't know if the Flood already knew or not.
terse lava
Well the flood needs the proto gravemind to get that info. Although curiously the infection form that took Keyes never got it either
inner basin
Well the Flood can’t just see the co-ordinates they entered even if they had a Proto-Gravemind. They would have to be in the ship’s systems to find those co-ordinates entered
scarlet hinge
@terse lava Farkas Lake is where you launch the Sabre from in Long Night of Solace
terse lava
Ah ok thank you @scarlet hinge
scarlet hinge
👌
wet pollen
Oh.
Umm.
I can't find Broken Circle on my Kindle.
For some reason it's only available in German.
terse lava
One would think it would be there somewhere
wet pollen
Weird.
versed helm
I like to think so.
Though his history with ORION and his time in cryo as a marine are also often mentioned.
agile dragon
Also, aren't there rumours about him being part of the Spartan I program?
glossy shard
I think so but weren't they dismissed with him having a made up disease by ONI?
I might be wrong tho
gilded mason
He is a Spartan 1, yes
wet pollen
That's why he is immune to the Flood?
gilded mason
He is not immune to the Flood
inner basin
He’s harder for the Flood to infect so the Flood tend to go for the more easily infected people first. It’s the same with the Chief and all the other Spartans
agile dragon
His nervous system was scrambled by the radiation from having used an entire crate of plasma grenades iirc
humble yacht
That was a fake reason
inner basin
That was made up was it not? It’s supposedly how he contracted “Boren’s Syndrome”
fleet ivy
they dont have hearts or souls but they know what we want and they know what we need 8ut they dont love us how can you love without a heart or soul?
humble yacht
Yeah Boren’s Syndrome was made up to hide his association with Project Orion
agile dragon
Ok, good to know
inner basin
Wasn’t it for all Project Orion candidates?
humble yacht
However, Joe Staten retconned any resistance Spartan Is had to the flood
gilded mason
Or at least, Johnson having the syndrome
gilded mason
Right
humble yacht
Indeed
wet pollen
Plus everything you guys said.
agile dragon
retconned as in adding or removing any resistance they had?
stoic hamlet
IIRC Borden’s Syndrome was real, but ONI embellished the symptoms to fit ORION
gilded mason
Yeah
humble yacht
Removed resistance
agile dragon
bleh
humble yacht
It was either the author of first strike or the flood who tried to give Johnson flood immunity. Staten was like “nope”
wet pollen
Lol
stoic hamlet
First Strike
agile dragon
Well, if the Forerunners couldn't figure it out, what are the odds that 1 random human gets immunity?
inner basin
Exactly
stoic hamlet
IIRC it wasn’t confirmed he had immunity, just that it was a theory.
wet pollen
-4%
humble yacht
Well generally, immunity is accidental
humble yacht
Exactly
exotic zinc
Can someone explain who Chips Dubbo is? Been playing Halo for years and barely heard of him.
wet pollen
x2
humble yacht
Chips Dubbo really just relates to the voice of a marine that’s present in CE-3
I think it gained meme status and Bungie made him an actual character
wet pollen
He survived that much?
humble yacht
It’s not that surprising
versed helm
Personally, I regard him as dubiously canon.
At the very least, if he is to be canon, he can't have been on 04.
There's... almost no way that can work, imo.
terse lava
Makes me wonder what became of that commando John fought on the Ascendant Justice
keen canopy
The only certainly canon chips dubbo is the CE one, as he's named in the credits.
Staten said in the H2 dev commantary "The aussie! He's a survivor!" Which was clearly a joke IMO. Idk man both Bungie and 343 have memed the hell out of Chips Dubbo, it's best to think of him as a purely gameplay character post-CE.
tall lark
i like to think of him as all of them
i thought the problem was with 2 and odst
the magical two places at once
versed helm
I just assume by default that he was not in New Mombasa
The problem is how he made it off 04
harsh pier
i may be being stupid about this but in mcc you get an achievment for fighting alonside chips dubbo in ce, 2, and 3
just felt like saying that
terse lava
There is another possible option, in a sense
Twins
One brother could have been on reach/alpha halo, and the other on earth
humble yacht
except that twins don't share the same first name
because what parents are that stupid?
versed helm
The odds are pretty cartoonish that that would happen even ignoring the name thing.
terse lava
Remember, there are plenty of parents who will give their kids dumb names. Look at the creators of skyrim, promising lifetime merch to anyone who named their kid "Dragonborn"
humble yacht
sure but naming twins the same thing is just confusing for them
you call one, you get both
terse lava
I never said its smart
Could also be one actually does have a different name and took on his brother's on learning of his death on reach/halo
wet pollen
I mean, it's not like we have a ton of options.
Maybe it was just a bad idea to make him canon
versed helm
May. Be.
It's almost as if over-eager Halo fans have a track record of influencing canon in ways that later end up being annoying.
wet pollen
Almost.
obsidian thistle
That said if you take the Halo 3 Diorama as fact (outside it touting the Spartan was John) then there must of been a second survivor group from Alpha Halo
wet pollen
How.
terse lava
Truthfully there could have been others. I mean, we only know John and Cortana's POV from after alpha halo went down.
And we saw how quick cortana was wrong on the "Dust and echos" being all that's left.
At least one pelican of survivors and the rest of the fleet of particular justice
abstract venture
Yo
So in H4 terminals the Didact says he's immune tot he composer
And at the end of the game he's standing inside the beam when he's firing on the earth
terse lava
Due to his most recent mutation yes
abstract venture
So how does he get composed in Escalation?
wet pollen
Poor didact.
versed helm
He was going to be in H5, but they killed him off and cancelled him
Concept art looked awesome tho
keen canopy
Either only CE, or only 2 and 3.
@versed helm
He also dies in 2, there's no way off of Regret's temple for him
He has mission dialogue cussing out Regret's Hologram, and then more staring up at High Charity and it's fleet arriving.
@obsidian thistle surely Thomas Chang is non-core canon until proven otherwise. We know that's how 343i look at marketing material right?
fair hazel
didact isnt dead
keen canopy
They see it as stuff that they can bring in and make canon if they want
people always tell me the UR-Didact is composed, but idk man, that guy seems to lose his temper a lot
obsidian thistle
I'd debate that its more akin to semi-canon. So less important than core canon. But deffo not non-canon yet.
Stuff that 343i can choose to keep and will try to. But will lose no sleep over retconning/removing.
@keen canopy
keen canopy
Makes sense, it's still reason enough to not take much stock in the "well people could've survived I04" thing I reckon. CE, The Flood, First Strike, Nightfall, they all paint an incredibly bleak picture for any potential I04 survivors
spiral jewel
I'm not sure if it was ever stated, but for the Created... Was it ever stated how they would deal with the flood if it ever returned... Or was it something the Cortana fragment didn't think of at the time?
humble yacht
nothing ever stated
however, given the Prometheans are the main enforcers of the Created, and they were created explicitly to combat flood, they probably have some idea of what to do
like, built-in subroutines
obsidian thistle
And adaptable weapons
spiral jewel
I was simply curious and all, CIA and Chimera.
Perhaps the idea of The Created Dealing with the Flood could be explored at some point... Either in a future game or novel.
obsidian thistle
Like what we see in Halo 4 is close to how they would be against the Flood.
spiral jewel
Interesting
obsidian thistle
What we see in Halo 5 is the weapons adapted for use against Humans/Covenant
And no worries @spiral jewel :) Ask away. We dont mind answering stuff we can.
keen canopy
says the poor guy with 800 discord PMs 😉
terse lava
Kinda curious on something. When the jiralhanae joined the Covenant, loyal chieftains were given vessels to operate as a "gift". Along with this they were given a san shyuum prelate to help operate it. Wondering while Maccabeus was given a covenant vessel for his decision to the journey, he never got a prelate
torpid flare
how fast was slipspace travel between Earth and the Lesser Ark
wheat saddle
One hundred millennia passed since the primordial virus spread a vast
This plague lies deep within my keep, so why have you come, Reclaimer?
keen canopy
@torpid flare
Using the Voi Portal? 22 days.
When Gravemind used Precursor Neural Physics-based Slipspace methods on High Charity? 21 days
terse lava
What Oz? @wheat saddle
torpid flare
The speed of the slip space with Voi Portal is around .12475669 Ly per second.
I subtracted the the distance of Ark from the center by the distance of Earth to the center of Milky Way
Then I divided 237144 by 22 to get around 10779 Ly per day
Then I divided the 10779 Ly by 86400 seconds of a day to get around .125 Ly per second
Correct me if I am wrong
keen canopy
Unfortunately, distances aren't the same in physical space and slipspace
You're using the physical space distance
For example, there are UNSC colonies that are quite close to Earth in physical space, however take several months to get to, due to being quite far away in Slipspace.
torpid flare
Darn
I guess I bit the bullet
And what is the actual speed of the slipspace between earth and ark
keen canopy
we don't know, 343i usually avoid providing specific details about things like this, incase it limits them later on.
tall moat
Yeah we cant have the lore restricting Infinite’s epic slipspace battle between Chief and YapYap 🙄
torpid flare
I guess my calculations are semi accurate
wheat saddle
@terse lava lyrics from a song about Halo lmao.
terse lava
Ah ok
rare lotus
When the prophet of regret was with the Gravemind in Halo 2. Was he brought back to life after the chief killed him?
keen canopy
Yea, the flood can bring people back after they're dead.
You see it a lot in 3, dead humans and elites will struggle and scream if they get reanimated by infection forms
terse lava
Wouldn't call it screaming, more grunts and moans.
keen canopy
They don't always but they can fully scream haha, I always do it the dead ultras in Floodgate
terse lava
I admit, was.never certain they were returning to life
keen canopy
Flood super cell has incredible regenerative properties, if First Strike is to be believed
Which would explain Regret being able to form words despite having his skull caved in a few hours earlier
inner basin
As you mentioned Regret it made me think of when I was fighting Regret for the first time. I couldn’t help but laugh at how Chief just kept punching him in the face
terse lava
More curious why Regret even bothered fighting. He could have just floated to the roof
restive meadow
Hold on, when I looked up unggoy in Halopedia, they were also known as “Lobster” “Pig” and “Monkey”
Is this a joke or is that a thing
inner basin
It could be what humans referred to them as, but I didn’t know that personally
I know that Brutes are referee to as Apes, and Elites are referred to as Gators some times
restive meadow
If the Halo ring were fired, would anyone on that ring survive or also die?
terse lava
They would live
restive meadow
Glad Cortana prevented chief from firing the ring
terse lava
Those on a halo when its fired are safe due to it blanketing the surface in a stasis field
inner basin
I think it’s a similar situation with the Ark, but if the rings were fired, it’s outside of the Galaxy anyways
lean karma
@terse lava in the Greg bear forerunner Sierra dident the forerunners die during the rings though??? It’s been soo long since I’ve read that though.. maybe it was severely damaged ring or somthing and it had to do with the fact that the 7 halo ring was smaller cause it was apart of a different set of rings er somthing
terse lava
The forerunner died due to thebringa activating yes. When they fired though there were no forerunners on any of the rings