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versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:31 AM

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GRAVITICS: The science and technology of generating and manipulating gravity. Common applications include generators to provide lift in planetary gravity wells, lenses that precisely focus energy, and presses which manufacture highly compressed forms of matter.

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Would y'all join the halo world

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Which ties into

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Depends

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:32 AM

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In the year 2540

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As a spartan

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Nope

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Never, no, heresy

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:32 AM

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I would rather be an odst tbh

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Actually

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Second thoughts screw hell jumping

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:33 AM

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waits on Looter's question

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Indeed

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:33 AM

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I just thought it was neat

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Oh

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:33 AM

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It seems like a lot of the metamaterials in Halo rely on gravitic tech

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Which ties into
B-But

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:33 AM

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OH

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There was another thing

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Yea...

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:33 AM

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lol

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:35 AM

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I like you guys better than the general chat

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:35 AM

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I keep everything here but this channel muted

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I got muted for days last time on there for criticism of 343

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I only pop in there now and again

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:36 AM

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ENERGY PROJECTOR: Covenant directed energy weapon that uses gravitic impellors and magnetic lensing to accelerate, focus and direct beams of high-intensity plasma generated by the ship's pinch-fusion reactors. The most powerful energy projectors form tight-beam lances for excavation and cutting, while lesser mechanisms emit streams of plasma which are bent towards targets using invisible magnetic fields.

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Until o mentioned playsvke sangheili

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Emphasis on the gravitic impellors bit

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:36 AM

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@versed helm
Neato

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I love Sangheili

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That is new to me

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Wish I could turn into one

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:37 AM

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An excellent use of covenant technology

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:37 AM

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And maybe it explains why glassing beams seem to erupt from the grav lift of some ships

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Oh, I did think I saw that sometimes

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Kewl

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Covie tech is insane

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Just had a realization on that

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Tartarus the prophets have betrayed us..

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:40 AM

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On the truth&rec level, you go up the lift, but are teleported into the room. Nothing opens to let you in. I am wondering then if that platform not only acts as such a mundane thing, but Al's a teleporter for the energy from the reactor to directly below the vessel

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If you want proof

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Might just be a gameplay conceit

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Look at the average unggoy pack

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Does a teleporter disinegerate your body

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Nothing connecting the tank and mask

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:40 AM

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And make it reappear

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:40 AM

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In halo, yes

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:41 AM

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I think I'd be receptive to the idea.

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Don't teleporters in Halo just

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Blast you a short way through slipspace?

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They destroy your cells and recreate it

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Somewhat, that's what brings up the idea

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:41 AM

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That would create a clone

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It wouldn't teleport you

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Yes

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:41 AM

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That would create a clone
Yeah, that's no good

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:41 AM

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That's one of Star Trek's plotholes

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The clone would still have your conscious

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In Halo that's not a thing

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:42 AM

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He'd be a twin

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:42 AM

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So it still would be you

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:42 AM

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No

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:42 AM

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And I have no clue why Ado said it was

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It would have all the memories

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They blast you through Slipspace

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Who even cares lol

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You remain entirely intact

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Who even cares lol
The you that ceases to exist

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Think of it for a moment, a device is capable of transporting breathable air from a pack to a non connected mask, and they are used.for cannon fodder

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Gives me a headache

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Alright

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My assumption for the T&R was the doors below you open and close off-screen

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Up that to a vessel with plasma

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I assumed that when I was younger too

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:43 AM

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That seems consistent with grav lifts in the books

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So do grav lifts feel like air sucking you up

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Yet you still have plasma shooting out of the same.area

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...huh

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They...would feel like you being pulled up

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Like now, you are being pulled to the center of earth by gravity

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:45 AM

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So in other words you would not notice

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:45 AM

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The lift just cancels that out and takes you where it goes

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Nice

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We need to explore high charity and its tech more

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:46 AM

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I wish

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:46 AM

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My assumption would be that above the grav lift

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Imagine a halo RPG that takes place in high charity

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There is the pinch fusion reactor used to power the energy projector

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Hm

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Time to consult Warfleet for more clues

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Warfleet does show a reactor on the prow, middle, and tail end

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Seems to add up

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I remember in 8th grade we had to do a project in French class were we show the class our dream homes I showed high charity lmao

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:50 AM

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The platform could double as a focuser/teleporter/teleporter

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Huh ok

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:50 AM

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I think the notion of it being a teleporter is possible.

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Not sure about the grunt masks

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But I personally won't be headcanoning it unless there's more indication of it

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Well just look at the thing itself

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The pack and mask are not connected in any way whatsoever

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Only 4 and 5 did that

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So how is the methane getting to little yayap's lungs?

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:54 AM

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neural

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Yayap was a badass

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Actually

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Looking at some images

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Seems that Grunts usually have neck armor all the way to the mask

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Could the tubes travel through there?

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The Infinite Grunt seems to have it as well

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Personally

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I would say it's not just likely

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But more likely than having exposed pipes would be

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 6:00 AM

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👍

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Possibly I guess

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An odd question but wondering

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Would the covenant have fallen as it did had truth not gone through with the sangheili genocide and high council murders? Rather he just does what Clarity was told, they get demoted, that's it

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:10 AM

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It very much seems to me at this point that Truth's worst enemy was Truth

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Everything about the Schism he seems to have brought on himself, by degrees

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I still don't have the best grasp on why he did what he did

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From the moment the Schism began it feels like his plan was to book it to the Ark, wipe the galaxy clean and then retire with his gorilla bois

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Truth - And a Lack Thereof: An Ord Casto Autobiography

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 6:14 AM

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I can almost see him writing it by a roaring plasma fire with a glass of tea

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I would say though on the why, he just got more and more paranoid

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Yeah.

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When it comes down to it

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You can't really avoid the conclusion that

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In the end

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He cray

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Truth always wanted to replace the elites

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Maybe a reason he let regret die, not just power but the classic dead men tell no tales

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I dont agree with that

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He knew a sangheili revolt would shatter the covenant before he was a hierarch

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:18 AM

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I thought he groomed Tatarus since the beginning

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 6:18 AM

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"An event.like the unggoy rebellion may temporarily destabilize the covenant. A sangheili revolt would shatter it"

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No no, he only y took an interest in tartarus a bit later

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Elites were already revolting almost

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Their greatest hero was sent to the outer rim

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Not at the beginning of the war or before

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Forgot his name

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Xytan 'Jar 'Wattinree

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Beat you @gilded mason 😛

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Yep

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Beat you
😏

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:20 AM

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We need to form a squad the three of us

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The elites gang

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 6:21 AM

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How about the sangheili scholars

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Yes

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But I might not be here long

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One more warning and I'm banned

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 6:23 AM

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How many warnings does one even get? I figured after a certain time they would go away

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:24 AM

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I have like 9

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Oh

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 6:24 AM

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How do you check how many you got? Cause I have no clue how many I have

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Bot

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Hold on how did Tartarus and the rest of the covenant react to having the need to have humans in order to activate the ring

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 7:11 AM

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They never asked.

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Same deal with Ripa Moramee, the Halo Wars Arbiter.

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The Prophets liked to surround themselves with not just brutes in name, but brutes in nature.

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Which is like, a scrap of motivation for Truth

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 7:12 AM

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"Huh, well that's something. Anyway..."

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Honestly

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You probably gotta look at the Covenant at the end of the Covenant War in the same way as WW2 Germany

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All logic was gone, everyone was spurred on by fear and adrenaline and lie after lie

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And the individual calling the shots legitimately belonged in a psychiatric institute

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That's the best we got

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Not exactly deep, but workable

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Just a plague of self-delusion

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A logic plague, if you will

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Speaking of, time for another glossary entry from Warfleet.

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LOGIC PLAGUE: Viral code strings and insidious idea patterns which exploit the sensing-learning loop of Forerunner ancilla, causing them to either malfunction or transfer their allegiance to the Flood.

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thinkingchief

glossy vapor Mar 17, 2020, 7:21 AM

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Keepingthepeace has been silenced

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Seems that yet another threat to the prophets have been dealt with.

gritty nexus Mar 17, 2020, 11:22 AM

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robux

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:21 PM

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Question: How did the flood survive the Halo Installations Firing? (When the Forerunner activated them, not Chief activating the Ark) I heard it was because they kept a sample of a flood spore, just like they did Humanity, Sangheli, etc

carmine sleet Mar 17, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Chief didn't activate them from the Ark, or at all

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The Flood survived thanks to research facilities which kept Flood cells for research

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:24 PM

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He activated them prematurely

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That’s why the lesser ark got destroyed

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He activated the replacement ring for the one he destroyed in CE.

carmine sleet Mar 17, 2020, 12:26 PM

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Aye, he didn't activate the whole array

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:26 PM

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Which was somewhat successful for eliminating all the remaining threats on the Ark and then caused the damage to the Ark when it was destroyed in firing.

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The thing to remember about Halos, or rather something I feel should be emphasized more, is that they're immensely unstable.

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They like blowing up.

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But anyway, I digress.

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How do they actually kill the neural matter of an organism? Is it some sort of neural wave?

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The reason why the Forerunners kept specimens of the Flood around is that they believed, with 100% certainty, that at some point in the future another wave of Flood would enter the galaxy to finish the job.

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They send out a pulse of what have been described as "cross phased supermassive neutrinos".

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Basically particles which scramble the neural structures of sentient beings.

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Even though they didn’t, and they caused the second, no, third if i’m correct

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Well, strictly speaking, the Covenant caused the second outbreak

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But yes, they were responsible for the third

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I’d say in present day Halo, the flood outbreak is really, really bad

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Or at least, the monitor of Delta Halo was

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And yeah

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But you have got to keep in mind that the way the Forerunners envisioned it

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Humanity would reclaim the Mantle and all their tech un-opposed and basically pick up where they left off

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The Covenant were not part of the plan

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That’s why they didn’t destroy the Installations?

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And the Covenant thought they were to reclaim the Mantle

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The Covenant's objective was not to reclaim the Mantle but to achieve transcendence by following in the footsteps of their Gods, the Forerunners.

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They were aware that the last thing the Forerunners did was activate an array of ring constructs of incredible power

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And they figured it would be prudent to follow their lead

carmine sleet Mar 17, 2020, 12:31 PM

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They just didn't know the Forerunners weren't actually gods or what the Halos did

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:31 PM

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Ironically

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The very existence of the Covenant is a testament to the fallibility of the Forerunners

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 12:31 PM

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They knew the forerunners were not always gods

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:31 PM

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The Covenant really were an accident

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Anyone who dared question the prophets was a heretic and got killed, so nobody could tell the hierarchs the truth

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Well, the truth only really became relevant to the Covenant in their final months, after the discovery of 04

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For them, the actual firing of the rings would be like the rapture of the Christian faith

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Something far away. Not worth thinking about too deeply.

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Actually, the current hierarchs knew it all along. Ever since Harvest.

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It was only with the discovery of Alpha and Delta Halo that their faith became anything more than the glue that bound together a volatile society.

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They knew part of the Truth.

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More or less, they came to understand that humanity was chosen by the Forerunners to take their place.

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 12:34 PM

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Incorrect, they thought the humans were forerunners, not that humans were chosen by the forerunnners

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:34 PM

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That's literally a different interpretation.

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You've no business calling me "incorrect" over it

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Truth was not clear in his speech.

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 12:35 PM

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This did not completely invalidate the great journey, just proved that it was not a 100 guarantee of going

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:35 PM

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The Hierarchs (the current ones atleast) usurped their thrones with Harvest, right?

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Mhm.

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 12:36 PM

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They outright argue about it, they never found out humans were chosen by the forerunners

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:36 PM

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Truth was the reason the Covenant got messed up though

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No, ado, they did, sort of

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On Harvest

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Bungie seemed to think that understanding what was going through Truth's head was not an essential part of the story.

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His motivations, and how much he may have found out after Harvest if anything, remain a mystery.

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But they never fully realized that the humans were the Forerunner artifact they were looking for

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Carl, they thought humans were forerunners, not their own race

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:37 PM

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They understood that there was a relationship there.

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They were likely somewhat mystified as to the exact nature of that relationship, but they understood that our existence contradicted the religious doctrine that kept their empire functioning.

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That's all that matters, really. Anything further is interpretation.

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By 2552, Truth's understanding had likely evolved, seemingly in ways that were not entirely rational.

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His compadres, on the other hand, likely just made themselves forget.

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He didn’t want to tell anybody what bits he knew because the Covenant would fall to pieces

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 12:40 PM

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True, he likely got the full story from 343 at that point

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Honestly

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A delve into Truth's mind before and during the events which ended the Covenant is probably my #1 hoped for bit of Halo media.

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Either that or Warfleet for guns

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It's an even toss-up

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I just feel like we need more solid grounds for the Schism to have happened. I desperately want to understand his plan, and know how much he knew.

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In Halo 3, all that matters is that he's an antagonist, he's crazy, and he's gonna kill everyone.

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But I would like to go deeper.

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I kinda think he boasted when he said “there are those who said this day would never come. what a day to say now.” because he knew something the other didn’t

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*others

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 12:44 PM

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Pretty sure hes just criticizing those in the covenant who thought and said the great journey would never happen

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Like Fal ' Chavamee

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:46 PM

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I wonder if the Arbiter started questioning the Hierarchs when the whole Monitor thing happened on that forerunner mine

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 12:59 PM

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Likely began after the events of the cole protocol

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 12:59 PM

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I don't know

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He came around pretty slow

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Well truly questioning I would say yea, after meeting 343. I would say it started though with seeing the prophets as fallible

autumn urchin Mar 17, 2020, 2:37 PM

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why does the pillar of autumn look like its cut in half when u are waiting for foehammer in the last mision of ce?

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is that really part of the design?

jolly furnace Mar 17, 2020, 2:39 PM

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@obsidian thistle Glad to see a fellow fan on here. Do you mean like stories of planetary exploration with 4 person teams? Cos we get that in books sorta

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Also do you know if there's a Stargate discord anywhere?

obsidian thistle Mar 17, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I was more meaning how varied the stories got.

And unfortunately I do not. Maybe its wiki has? But I am not 100% certain.

jolly furnace Mar 17, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I'd have to check

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I get ur meaning

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It seems Forerunner slipspace capabilities were retconned to be capable of near-instantaneous interstellar travel via slipspace portals akin to the Stargate network

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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@autumn urchin Basically, the answer is that the PoA as seen in the first and last level of Halo CE is straight-up non-canon.

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Bungie weren't thinking about it and likely assumed the ship was significantly larger than it was ultimately decided to be after fans pixel-measured it.

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If you want to see the PoA's internals as they actually are, canon-wise, Warfleet is your source.

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Strange how cavalier they were in Halo CE with the Autumn, but how careful they were with Cairo station in Halo 2, which is 100% accurate.

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Maybe they designed the level first then came up with the station layout around it.

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 3:31 PM

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question: why are the batteries so bad on covenant plasma rifles in game?

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any lore reason?

obsidian thistle Mar 17, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Gameplay isnt canon. So thats a good note to keep in mind.

idle iron Mar 17, 2020, 3:49 PM

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What happened to Drones,Engineers and Skirmishers after Halo 3

brittle ruin Mar 17, 2020, 3:53 PM

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I'm pretty sure engineers are covered in the lore

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skirmishers are just fancy jackals so they're still around

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I don't think we have any specific info about the drones tho

unique rune Mar 17, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Drones apparently mostly just went back to their home world of Palamok after the larger Covenant empire fell and the UNSC tries to avoid bothering them

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 3:59 PM

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god i hate drones

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they’re so annoying

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i liked what halo 3 did, making them 1-hit

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When discussing plasma weapons

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It's important to remember that these are exceptionally devastating weapons. They have their trade-offs, of course, but the damage inflicted on a human being from a singular plasma bolt compared even to a bullet?

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Significant. Theoretically, horrific.

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Plasma weapons likely would be able to burn away cover, body armour and enemy soldiers extremely rapidly.

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Firing on fully automatic would rarely be necessary, just like how fully automatic is rarely employed by soldiers today.

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We can assume, canonically speaking, that the charge carried by one plasma weapon was sufficient to allow its user to function. Any less, and they wouldn't be used.

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Just some considerations.

feral perch Mar 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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You’re telling me that the billowing ramps and corridors in the Warthog run aren’t canon??

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Shock horror

hasty locust Mar 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Yeah everything in the games is nerfed

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Like in the books marines get one shot by a plasma pistol

inner basin Mar 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Shields are drained rapidly by plasma shots too

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With Mk. IV one plasma shot from a plasma pistol put a hole in the armour

hasty locust Mar 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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And a grunt’s melee is significantly more powerful then in game #RIPOSMO

brittle ruin Mar 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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you don't know that, grunts can't melee ingame

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 4:50 PM

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they can in halo 5

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not sure about the other halo games

brittle ruin Mar 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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oh, never played H5

feral perch Mar 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Grunts and Jackals can both punch the Chief to death in Halo 5

brittle ruin Mar 17, 2020, 4:54 PM

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sounds hilarious

inner basin Mar 17, 2020, 4:56 PM

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He’s talking about in lore not just the games, as they can punch

fair hazel Mar 17, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Shield bash jackal

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Stolt beat a spartan once

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 4:59 PM

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honestly i get sad when a marine dies

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especially chipps

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even though chipps should never die

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because he is chipps dubbo

inner basin Mar 17, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Well his canonical status is rather dubious, and we don’t know if each event he’s been to is canonically accurate, but pieces have been put together that make sense in the mean time

hasty locust Mar 17, 2020, 5:00 PM

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I try to protect my marines that’s why I never get PAR

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:00 PM

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^

hasty locust Mar 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Well his canonical status is rather DUBious, and we don’t know if each event he’s been to is canonical accurate, but pieces have been put together that make sense in the mean time

I see what you unintentionally did there

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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but chipps is kinda like the Sly Marbo of Halo

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he survives things no marine should ever survive

inner basin Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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You are absolutely correct about that unintentionally, Settling

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:03 PM

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chipps shouldn’t even be alive

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but he is

hasty locust Mar 17, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Same thing with stacker

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I want a stacker, chips novel

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 5:06 PM

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stacker and chipps

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chipps if he was were johnson was with the monitor: your laser does nothing

inner basin Mar 17, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Although I would like Stacker to be wearing his ODST BDU

hasty locust Mar 17, 2020, 5:10 PM

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H2A ODST 🥰

inner basin Mar 17, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Exactly. Maybe throw in the ODST team he was with too in that Day at the Beach. Also let’s not forget the “Welcome-to-Earth-Gift-Basket”

hasty locust Mar 17, 2020, 5:15 PM

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I wanna see H2A ODST fighting alongside H3 ODST

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You mean Jones the sniper?

stoic hamlet Mar 17, 2020, 5:18 PM

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HW2 has concept art of that occurring @hasty locust

hasty locust Mar 17, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Beautiful

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Well HW2 uses H2A ODST, no?

stoic hamlet Mar 17, 2020, 5:19 PM

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In game yes

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But in the concept art there’s troopers with both variations

hasty locust Mar 17, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Yeah just googled it, that looks awesome

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Also the stanchion sniper rifle looks epic

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The Sniper helmet looks so weird though, it’s like a brick

obsidian thistle Mar 17, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Not sure what Stanchion I prefer.

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The power generator version that explodes stuff. Or the HW2 one

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:35 PM

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@stoic hamlet Chipps Dubbo is basically Sly Marbo but Halo, am I right? (Asking you because you mentioned 40k stuff last night)

stoic hamlet Mar 17, 2020, 6:43 PM

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I don’t think Marbo has a halo equivalent.

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Johnson would be the closest I think

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Well

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I mean

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Chipps did survive things nobody should survive..

feral perch Mar 17, 2020, 6:54 PM

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He is not necessarily canon

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Sort of

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He somewhat is

feral perch Mar 17, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Maybe

inner basin Mar 17, 2020, 7:02 PM

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His character is pretty much canon

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Would put him in the same category as everyone's multiplayer character

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 7:09 PM

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True

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He both exists and doesn’t

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Pretty much

versed helm Mar 17, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Can I describe the early days of the covenant when they were still indoctrinating species as “mormons with guns?”

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Would say more medival knights

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Knights Templar (with guns™️)

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 10:18 PM

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That the zealot orders

stoic hamlet Mar 17, 2020, 10:18 PM

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there were other knightly orders.

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Templar’s weren’t the only ones.

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Like the hospitaliters

stoic hamlet Mar 17, 2020, 10:19 PM

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angry history noises

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Yis

gilded mason Mar 17, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Sorry, Canadian. I ain't a history buff. 😥

stoic hamlet Mar 17, 2020, 10:19 PM

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It’s all good

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Actually

stoic hamlet Mar 17, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Teutonic Knights as well were a big one

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Which knight order would zealots be close too

stoic hamlet Mar 17, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Probably Templars

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I don’t think any Zealot orders operated as Church-allied pirates, like the Hospitallers

jolly furnace Mar 17, 2020, 10:50 PM

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There were many knightly orders. sometimes several at once

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It was complex

stoic hamlet Mar 17, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Mhm

terse lava Mar 17, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Well there were also many zealot orders

terse lava Mar 18, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Had chief failed at detonating the Autumn, would thel have been praised for finding a holy ring, or punished due to the flood on halo

thorn linden Mar 18, 2020, 2:38 AM

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I imagine both but the punishment for releasing the flood would've outweighed the discovery of the ring

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That's just my guess at least

terse lava Mar 18, 2020, 2:57 AM

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It seemed trivial during the trial, and even with the flood on delta there was not a large freakout

feral perch Mar 18, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Agreed.

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The huge Flood outbreak on the surface of Etran Harborage didn't seem to bother Regret as long as he got those Forerunner Dreadnoughts.

terse lava Mar 18, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Indeed thus why I am curious

fair hazel Mar 18, 2020, 6:08 AM

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@versed helm let's not spam and get weird

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 6:11 AM

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xD do you guys just label everything y'all don't want "spam"?

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 8:45 AM

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What was Miranda Keyes holding onto during events of Quarantine Zone,like the part where she was reaching for the Activation Index?

carmine sleet Mar 18, 2020, 8:46 AM

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In the classic cutscene, it was a Gravemind tentacle, in Anniversary, it was a cable

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Not sure why that is a question you needed to ask though as it was pretty obvious in both cutscenes what she was using

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Tbh,i haven't noticed it until now

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Why was Path Kethona devoid of life except for that one planet with those ancient Forerunners?

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Doesn't it seem strange that an entire satellite galaxy except for one planet would be devoid of life

terse lava Mar 18, 2020, 12:51 PM

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Would say the ancient forerunners brought terrible weapons into play to wipe out the last of the precursors. These creations managed to sterilize the planets. Also of interest, besides the silent forerunner fleet, there's no signs of the battle there either. No debris, no craters, nothing

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Weird

jolly furnace Mar 18, 2020, 3:08 PM

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I think Path Kethona in real life is poor in the resources and minerals and whatever else needed to support life so they could have went with real life current knowledge on it

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I mean not all galaxies would have the means of supporting complex intelligent life in them

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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I can't imagine how we could possibly know what resources are in Path Kethona irl

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We barely know what resources are in our galaxy.

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Not for 500 years, no

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We're talking about 500 years in the future. Surely we know much more in the Haloverse than we do now

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Indeed.

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Well, 532 years, to be exact.

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Who knows how much we’ll know in that time?

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Kinda hard to anticipate what we'll end up knowing without pigeonholing the universe

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I mean, we’re good at avoiding disaster (sometimes rather narrowly) as a race, ngl

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One of sci- fi's great challenges

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That's why it's often good to think of all sci-fi as taking place in an alternate universe

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Well, it is rather alternate

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It can be easy to think of sci-fi as being a conjectural continuation of our universe.

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Indeed it can

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But it is cool to look at the stars and think “Hey, we could be up there one day”

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But some would rather not see the stars, only the darkness that lies between

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Yea little do people know that Halo fiction has already deviated by our universe by quite a lot. Ignoring all the Forerunner stuff and even minor changes in our past.

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Mhm

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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I mean the Halo series doesnt exist in the Halo universe.

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That would cause quite a paradox otherwise lol

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Like the whole thing about us being reset to prehistoric times because of the Human-Forerunner war

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I guess

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I mean, in the Halo universe things went down in such a contrived way as to leave us with the understanding in the 21st century that that reset never happened

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Generally speaking I think sci-fi universes diverge at the point of their own conception

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When Halo CE became a thing, we couldn't prove that the Forerunners didn't exist.

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Star Trek actually broke that. xD

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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If we want to talk about super-duper confusing lore, we’d be talking about 40k

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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After Star Trek introduced media before its inception. That changed the idea that our history was Star Trek history.

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 5:55 PM

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40k isn't confusing, really

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It's just

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B i g

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Constantly overwriting itself

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40k is just insanely massive compared to other universes

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Halo's lore is probably the most confusing lore I can think of precisely because it never really overwrites itself

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Contradictory information just causes re-interpretations

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It just changes itself

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And is like “yeah, i’m this now”

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343's always providing us with middlegrounds

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Or, as it often seems to me, ingredients to theorize our own conceptualizations

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 5:57 PM

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In general however. From a wiki point of view. Our IRL history/logic isnt canon till mentioned otherwise. Plus with that logic it allows for stories to be written in our past and present and not conflict with IRL events. (Even though 343i probs wont do the present day to avoid the jarring effect of it not being like IRL)

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 5:57 PM

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It would be poor world-building for them to cross that line, aye.

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Not poor world-building. Just jarring to a lotta fans.

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Which is poor world-building.

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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It can be done well. Just I wouldnt do it till a good amount of time has passed.

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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@versed helm “do you know who ate all the donuts!?”

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that is my question

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where is your passport sir

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Like I'd say its safe for 343i to do lore around the noughtys very easy. Seeing as its been a good 10 years since that decade ended.

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So it would be less jarring than a story being set in 2020.

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(Not that they will)

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 6:01 PM

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After the 1990s is fair game to me, personally

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From a canonical point of view

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I left it in the microwave with the casserole

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But it's still a good policy to synchronize Halo and IRL as much as possible

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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I wouldnt mind a story element being set in the 1900s (century) that sets up stuff in later lore.

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I mean. I am someone who thinks that anything should be fair game as long as it doesnt conflict existing stuff that has been set in other media.

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Honestly, when it comes down to it, there's no reason for 343 to be touching anything outside of Halo's principle eras.

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@versed helm the casserole? is that why it’s so messy? see this wouldn’t happen if you had your passport sir

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 6:05 PM

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True. I just like the idea of Halo media having the ability to dive into the past.

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Even if only on paper.

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 6:05 PM

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It's military sci-fi.

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🤷‍♂️

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Sci-fi with an Earth can still dive into past without causing issues.

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Stargate did that really well in my opinion xD

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 6:08 PM

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:c my message was deleted for saying “secksy”

clever fable Mar 18, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Do you think there would there be anything noteworthy, from a worldbuilding perspective, to be gained from a short story or novella that takes place during a time where ancient humanity was slipping into one of its technological dark ages, or would it mostly be fan service for more lore focused fans?

humble yacht Mar 18, 2020, 6:29 PM

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probably the latter

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Fan service for a very specific kind of fan

terse lava Mar 18, 2020, 6:37 PM

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They might be able to pull off a "The Foundation" type tale with that

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 6:47 PM

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They kinda managed to make it work with Broken Circle

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But that had the pull of the Covenant

terse lava Mar 18, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Hm? I didnt get that vibe with broken circle

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That was showing how an empire formed, not how one crumbles while survivors go on like in Asimov's Foundation series

versed helm Mar 18, 2020, 7:01 PM

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It does, however, address elements of history which aren't central to the universe's current narrative.

obsidian thistle Mar 18, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Yep

jolly furnace Mar 18, 2020, 7:51 PM

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But as far as Path Kethona's lack of life prior to it being cleansed by Faber is concerned, many explanations can be given from the Precursors being the reason to maybe that the galaxy simply never evolved any. It really could just be as simple as the latter.

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Heck our own galaxy in Halo appears to have had no sapient life in it or maybe no complex life worth mentioning until the Precursors arrived at least 2 billion years ago.

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I mean in real life as far we know this planet is the only one with life like ours in the MW.

terse lava Mar 19, 2020, 12:54 AM

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We dont even know if the precursors were alone if warfleet is anything to go by

sacred dew Mar 19, 2020, 1:11 AM

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U guys think thrusters will be in infinite

humble yacht Mar 19, 2020, 1:12 AM

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#483759756566069258

fair hazel Mar 19, 2020, 1:19 AM

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i dont find the lore confusing?

gilded mason Mar 19, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Okay.

terse lava Mar 19, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Dont recall anyone saying it was

fair hazel Mar 19, 2020, 1:40 AM

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Looters

terse lava Mar 19, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Guess I just read it differently

gilded mason Mar 19, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Also, that was eight hours ago.

terse lava Mar 19, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Would say though that Broken circle defently enriched the halo universe

humble yacht Mar 19, 2020, 1:46 AM

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Ericky often brings up hours old convos

terse lava Mar 19, 2020, 1:49 AM

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I wouldn't fully blame him as there was.not much conversation since

fair hazel Mar 19, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Not that’s there’s been much since.

terse lava Mar 19, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Slow couple days

terse lava Mar 19, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Wondering, didnthe warrior servants and builder security forces fight the flood alone orndid other rates participate in their own ways? Lifeworkers creating vast deadly storms on infected worlds, miners cracking open planets, etc

clever fable Mar 19, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I'd like to imagine they all chipped in depending on the circumstance, but I don't know if that'd happen on a larger scale. Like, I could see a miner installation having a local planet get overrun, and the head AI be all like "Yo guys, lets go clean that up right quick, yeah?"

terse lava Mar 19, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Well one would think In that example, it would be activating volcanos

clever fable Mar 19, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Activating volcanos roughly translates to "cleaning up" in the Forerunner lexicon. This is canon.

cloud trellis Mar 19, 2020, 11:34 PM

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holy cr*p the flood chapters are long

desert latch Mar 19, 2020, 11:50 PM

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no kidding Rioom

abstract venture Mar 20, 2020, 12:37 AM

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The flood is a struggle

cloud trellis Mar 20, 2020, 12:40 AM

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i hope future books aren't like this

feral perch Mar 20, 2020, 12:44 AM

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The Flood is one of the easier novels to read...

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At least IMO

abstract venture Mar 20, 2020, 12:47 AM

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They arent

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It's only the flood that's like that thankfully

grand warren Mar 20, 2020, 12:52 AM

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hey guys

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Lmao

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How does the length of a chapter impact the reading experience

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Just stop reading when you've had enough

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Insert bookmark

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You're done, what a champ

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 1:48 AM

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the longer a chapter lasts the better (if I happen to like it that is).

obsidian thistle Mar 20, 2020, 1:51 AM

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The Cole Protocol shows the extreme version of changing chapter per all perspective changes xD

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I aint sure if its a good or bad thing

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But it deffo has some of the smallest chapters around.

lean karma Mar 20, 2020, 2:04 AM

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There were some pretty short AI chapters at the end of Contact Harvest

low pelican Mar 20, 2020, 3:31 AM

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does anyone watched the halo 4 movie about lasky?

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and is it canon?

gilded mason Mar 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Forward Unto Dawn? Yeah, it's canon.

low pelican Mar 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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yis

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so forward unto dawn takes place in the intro of halo 4 roght?

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when lasky is revisiting his past

gilded mason Mar 20, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Yeah, pretty much

low pelican Mar 20, 2020, 3:33 AM

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when chief saved them

obsidian thistle Mar 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Yep Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn is canon.

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Spartan 3s where only 12 years old holy smokes

gilded mason Mar 20, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Younger

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Kurt Ambrose might be my favorite character now

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The ones fighting were 12

gilded mason Mar 20, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Ah, yeah

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I was thinking about when they were "recruited"

inner basin Mar 20, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Did I see a mention of Spartan-IIIs? O.o

strong sage Mar 20, 2020, 11:09 AM

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In a scenario where unsc is on the offensive by doing a planety invasion , how do the frigates provide support? Do they just like use their point defence weapons cannon the 50mm providing fire support to ground troops or they have other weapons as well?

brittle ruin Mar 20, 2020, 11:49 AM

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they'd pretty much be used like they are in reach probably

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artillery support with turrets, possibly mac rounds or missiles against hardened targets, and mobile base / command and control

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you're probably getting a pretty good view of the battlefield from up there

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ODST launching platform as well

strong sage Mar 20, 2020, 1:15 PM

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As for missile you are refferring to archrrs right fam?

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But i thought those used for exo atmospheric or space combats only

brittle ruin Mar 20, 2020, 1:16 PM

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yeah, unless they can load something else

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well so are mac rounds, but they do use them as well

strong sage Mar 20, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Oooo yeaaaahhhhh right , i mean jorge was surprised during reach the use of mac on atmosphere

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Wondered the effect of mac rounds thou on our planets

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People said it can crack on the planet’s crust or something

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Archers are definitely used for ground support.

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Not only is it all over the place in HW2, both in cutscenes and gameplay, some Spartan IIIs discuss it in Ghosts of Onyx.

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@strong sage Certain interpretations of the MAC guns have been that powerful, principally SMACs from TFoR.

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That's... unlikely to be canon.

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Warfleet describes the Cairo as firing a "multi-ton slug" at "several kilometres per second". Bit of a gap between that (which is a much newer, 343-approved source) and TFoR's SMAC gun which fired a 3,000 ton slug at 4% light speed, which is something like 12,000 kilometers per second.

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Basically, the same sci-fi faction can't really have both of these weapons. It makes no sense. And Warfleet's interpretation is much more realistic, so I go with that.

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MAC guns are, in essence, just enormous mass drivers. They're not relativistic planet-cracking megacannons. Because that would be silly.

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 2:34 PM

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So MAC Cannons are essentially for, well, doing more damage than your average mass driver?

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Because the UNSC still loses like 95% of their space battles, correction, the UNSC loses a lot. It’s hard to fight technologically superior enemies.

rustic canyon Mar 20, 2020, 2:42 PM

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I just saw Shadows of Reach up for pre-order. Nice to see but I was enjoying seeing a young chief and team now it is post halo 5

deep pewter Mar 20, 2020, 2:48 PM

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We need more post 5 material

carmine sleet Mar 20, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Aye, so far we've had only a few stories set after Halo 5. It'll be nice to have another

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Is it just me or does chief’s armor look a much lighter green in infinite?

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In the trailer that is

limpid meadow Mar 20, 2020, 3:02 PM

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It's a lighter green than it's been probably since Halo 2. About in-line with the CE green, I'd say

strong sage Mar 20, 2020, 3:43 PM

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@versed helm owhhh i seee , I assume 1 paris or strident class frigates is enough to level up a village/town as an example scenario i assume fam?

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Sorry for tagging btw

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Depends on the munition fired.

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These days, MACs fire everything from pure kinetic slugs to what are basically self-guided missiles.

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It seems, judging from Reach, that kinetic slugs have a tendency to just kinda cut into the ground and bury themselves there.

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But there would obviously still be a fair bit of energy released.

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One thing to keep in mind is that MACs are less pure weapons, and more multi-purpose tools. Warfleet and Mythos talk about how they can be used to launch supply packages and even, depending on bore, small spacecraft.

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Just like with the heavy autocannons used on UNSC ships, it's likely that the further the target is away, the more "smart" the kill package used will be. If you play H2A and give the MAC slugs you can see on Cairo (under the armoury) a gander, you can actually make out what seem to be thrusters, confirming that theory.

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And also, it seems that MACs aren't really the be-all-end-all of the UNSC Naval arsenal anymore.

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It seems like MACs, autocannons, PDGs and nukes all play a very important role.

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Naturally, archer missiles are still terrible.

agile dragon Mar 20, 2020, 5:21 PM

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and nuke mines XD

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seems to be used by... was it Oni a lot?

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In some book(s)

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Though there was some cool lore in the Warfleet glossary about how each "pod" has between five and thirty "cells" (which I assume are individual missile tubes?) and how the missiles use complex swarm behaviour to elude enemy PDG networks.

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And aye, Danny.

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Yeah, mines are a big thing for sure.

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In general, PDGs are also a lot more important now because they actually have the ability to "disrupt" plasma torpedoes.

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Interesting to see how that gets reflected in books going forwards.

agile dragon Mar 20, 2020, 5:24 PM

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PDG == personal defense gun/grid?

stoic hamlet Mar 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Yes

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Point Defence Gun

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Lil automated, automatic coilguns primarily used for destroying incoming missiles.

agile dragon Mar 20, 2020, 6:15 PM

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That makes more sense

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 6:16 PM

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*or banshees and other strike craft

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Collateral usages include shooting down smaller craft like fighters or dropships and, when in-atmo, strafing ground troops like on Tip of the Spear in Halo: Reach.

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But first and foremost

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They should be thought of as an extra layer of armour

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Stopping bombs from hitting you

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They can be overwhelmed mind you

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Indeed

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But their effectiveness also scales depending on how many ships you have in close proximity

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Multiple ships can coordinate fire into a bulwark that can be incredibly hard to penetrate

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Also, needless to say, when smart AI have the reigns they also get more effective

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Mhm, but, enough concentrated fire will overwhelm em

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Since I am kinda stupid, does the UNSC or Covenant have a weapon capable of destroying planets whenever they really want?

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Like, something powerful enough to disrupt a planet's core, which would be MUCH more realistic way to destroy a planet?

carmine sleet Mar 20, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Well, the UNSC have NOVA Bombs, but they're not something they would deploy whenever they want, given how dangerous they are

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Aight, but NOVA bombs are capable of destroying planets?

carmine sleet Mar 20, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Yes

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Wow

carmine sleet Mar 20, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Glyke was destroyed by one

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Oh yeah Gray Team

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I thought they just massacred everyone

gilded mason Mar 20, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Yeah, no way they could just manually kill an entire planet's population

carmine sleet Mar 20, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Aye, Grey Team would've been killed long before they wiped out the population on foot

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 11:05 PM

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I didn't even think they wiped out the population, just thought they killed a lot of them

wet pollen Mar 20, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Where is the blue elite that always talks here?

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lol.

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I just read about glyke.

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I would honestly kill myself after realizing I killed billions after the war ended.

versed helm Mar 20, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Spartans are made of sterner stuff.

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

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pfft. So what? You killed billions of hinge-heads after their people killed trillions of yours?

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big deal

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Well hostilities were over

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Plus, killing noncombatants doesn't sit so well with human beings

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Also, like- yeah that

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Collective sin doesn't sit well with me

abstract venture Mar 21, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Lol I liked how in the end

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 12:01 AM

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They had no way of communicating in a very bad situation

abstract venture Mar 21, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Oni told them the elites didn't care since they knew they wiped out way more planets lol

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Idk if I’d feel bad.

I guess maybe? But in a situation like that, a war like that, you don’t tend to see your enemy as “human”, you see them as nothing more than monsters. Which the Elites overall absolutely were.

I’d feel bad, maybe, but I wouldn’t regret it on moral grounds. Morals were thrown out the window when they glasses billions of just as defenceless civilians because they believed it would get them into heaven. (more or less)

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 12:15 AM

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^^^^^

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Morals were thrown out the window when they glasses billions of just as defenceless civilians
Thing is...how many people on Glyke were responsible for that? Two wrongs don't make a right, you know? Now, I certainly won't feel much remorse if these were unapologetic military coordinators being killed, but...

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Oh I know

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I’m not saying it was right

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Just that I don’t think I’d feel bad

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:16 AM

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I see.

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:18 AM

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And even hen, I think the only reason I’d feel bad was because it happened after the war ended, but I had no way of knowing at the time.

So......idk.

It’s a difficult situation, complex.

The elite who wanted revenge was petty hypocritical though, if I recall.

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Wasn't he a shipbuilder, though?

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:19 AM

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But they lied to the elites.

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Not really a guy going out on campaigns against humans

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Technically they are only victims.

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And helped humanity.

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Grey Team probably killed mostly families.

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:21 AM

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So did the Arbiter

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Not saying that justifies it

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:21 AM

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I understand.

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:21 AM

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But you can’t claim moral superiority if your own race did it x10,000

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:22 AM

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But your race isn't you

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:22 AM

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I know. I can definitely understand why he’s mad. He’s totally justified, but not necessarily right to be so.

At least from my POV, if that makes sense.

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:24 AM

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It's kinda cool the whole point of the operation, if you totally disregard moral.

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We're about to die so go destroy one planet.

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Now I understand why they chose to do it.

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They thought they were the only humans left.

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 12:27 AM

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The Arbiter and the Elites never really apologized or tried to make reparations either. They regretted being deceived and betrayed, but otherwise, they weren’t so bothered

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Weird.

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So elites are like cats?

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Do we know they didn't?

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Exactly what I was thinking.

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Give me an example of that happening

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Halo 3, kinda.

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Not really

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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I mean they seem to be good guys.

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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They didn’t help humanity because they suddenly cared

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They helped them because they had no choice

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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It looked like they cared.

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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And even then many still wanted to finish them off

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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We know the SoS is sharing technology, at the very least. But details other than that are scarce

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Obviously not the only reason.

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:30 AM

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They very much didn’t.

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:31 AM

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This is deep.

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I love this chat.

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:31 AM

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The vast majority of Elites were going to side with Xytan, who was explicit that they would continue to fight humanity after they dealt with the Brutes

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:32 AM

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**** glyke then.

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Maybe.

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:32 AM

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The vast majority of Elites were going to side with Xytan
Source?

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Idk.

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The Domain.

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Lmao.

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Why didn’t the people of Glyke resist the Prophets and protest the war?

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Maybe they couldn't?

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Why didn’t the people of Glyke resist the Prophets and protest the war?```
We've kinda seen what happens when you openly resist.

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Xytan had the largest numbers of Separatists, many up and left the fighting at High Charity to join him. He was seen as an almost deific figure among the Elites.

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Ghosts of Onyx says as much.

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Doesn’t mean they didn’t have a moral responsibility to do so, even at the cost of their own lives @gilded mason

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Then I think I would have still destroyed Glyke (assuming the Earth was glassed) but I would have killed myself with the explosion.

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Also, remember that Rtas tells Hood that he would’ve glassed the entirety of earth if Arbiter hadn’t persuaded him to be surgical.

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Trueeee.

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 12:36 AM

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But if you killed yourself you couldn’t further attack other planets........

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:36 AM

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I remember that.

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omg.

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Also, remember that Rtas tells Hood that he would’ve glassed the entirety of earth if Arbiter hadn’t persuaded him to be surgical.
That was because of his fear of the Flood, not a hatred of humans

wet pollen Mar 21, 2020, 12:36 AM

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@stoic hamlet I suppose they had one bomb.

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Also, remember that Rtas tells Hood that he would’ve glassed the entirety of earth if Arbiter hadn’t persuaded him to be surgical.
That was because of his fear of the Flood, not a hatred of humans
@gilded mason also truee omg.

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And even if every single being of that planet wanted to kill me... I would still feel bad-ish.

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 12:39 AM

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It still shows that Rtas didn’t care about humanity.

dreamy terrace Mar 21, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Oh my

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dear, oh dear, oh dear

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Goodness gracious me

dreamy terrace Mar 21, 2020, 12:52 AM

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343i really have to flesh out post-Halo 3 covie lore. Legitimate canon being present for the notion of collectivised responsibility and guilt is symptomatic of a franchise with poor worldbuilding.

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Not gonna happen though. All Kig-Yar are and will be pirates.

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 12:53 AM

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God, that thing

dreamy terrace Mar 21, 2020, 12:54 AM

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So, how would reparations towards humanity work post Halo 3?

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With the way ex-Covenant space exists politically.

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Well

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Some elites might try and give us technology and resources

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And the rest who were on the verge of going to war with us would Julius Caesar them but with energy swords

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A significant portion of the Arbiter's time was spent preventing the Kaidons from going to war with us again

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Reparations aren't really workable

dreamy terrace Mar 21, 2020, 12:57 AM

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Yeah, there's issues with being able to.

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 12:57 AM

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I mean, even if they were willing to give us reparations

dreamy terrace Mar 21, 2020, 12:57 AM

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I just saw someone claim that a lack of reparations means that no one cares about the war's legacy.

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 12:57 AM

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The societal breakdown of the Covenant has, it seems, been economically harsh on Sanghelios

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A lot of workers and experts from other species jumped ship

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And they took a lot of valuable assets with them

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As far as other species go?

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Grunts... are too poor for reparations.

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Lekgolo.... are worms.

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Jackals... well, I'm not sure they have much of a central authority to offer reparations. But a lot of jackals have been integrating with the human fringe, as we see in Smoke and Shadows and Renegades.

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Brutes... effectively don't exist anymore.

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Banished

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 12:59 AM

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True.

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 1:00 AM

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If Halo 4 were set several decades in the future

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Cortana would have been long gone, but the state of the universe could make more sense

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What with places like Paxopolis

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 1:13 AM

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Oh

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That reminds me

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The Warfleet glossary says that cryosleep for extreme durations can be harmful

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Causing both neurological and physiological damage

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So either the harm threshold is greater than 28 years

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Or the SoF crew had to take measures to prevent it

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 1:16 AM

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I bet it’s the former

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Humanity has had centuries to observe the effects of Cryo, right?

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 1:18 AM

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You asking if people volunteered to be put in cryo for hundreds of years?

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...

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Hm.

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Plausible.

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Even if not true they probably stuff the odd rich person with freak, incurable disease in cryo

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Maybe they've catalogued the effects in one of those circumstances

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 1:20 AM

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I love seeing you work that idea out

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I noticed from the Warfleet glossary that Armigers are indeed vulnerable to the Logic Plague. I was therefore wrong about that in an earlier discussion.

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Interesting.

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Guess that means dumb AI are vulnerable?

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 1:44 AM

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makes sense

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Ok what have I missed

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Just some bants relating to cryo and postwar reparations and stuff

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Well now that I caught up, would say we have only really seen a cookie cutter version of the covenant. We know there are ex covenant who regret the war and wish to atone. Not all wish for a new war with humanity

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Indeed

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Voka was right in that we need more media that actually shows this off

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 3:05 AM

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But my point was the quantity of those who'd wish to give reparations would be scant

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Even broken circle is guilty of it. We are barely shown civilian life, and only from a san shyuum view

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 3:06 AM

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And the SoS can't really afford to be giving anything away

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:06 AM

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And I doubt they would be that scant

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Seems to me they'd be more likely to blame the Prophets than themselves.

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And, as I said, they can't afford to disadvantage themselves in their own conflicts.

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Honestly, you could view Arbiter's continued war against the splinter groups as a form of reparations.

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He's keeping occupied a foe who otherwise would be causing a substantial deal of grief for humanity.

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Perhaps, keeping them away from humanity

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But the again those groups only got power thanks to humanity

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 3:07 AM

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And as said, he's been sharing tech with humans

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Indeed

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 3:09 AM

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"Here, humans, behold!"

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"Now that we have granted you the secrets of plasma stabilization and energy projectors you can defend yourselves from the threats of the galaxy!"

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Human officer clutches MA5 defensively

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 3:10 AM

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"based, thanks fam"

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lol

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 3:14 AM

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When are we going to get a Halo western?

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I want to see an Elite-Spartan joint operation in a western-style setting

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 3:15 AM

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👌

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:17 AM

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I can only see it mandalorian style, idk if that's good or bad

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 3:17 AM

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If there's room for Rion Forge and her scavenger team in Halo

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There's room for bounty hunters

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I didnt mean bounty hunter exactly. Just the idea if them traveling in a similar fashion

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 3:20 AM

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A thought just occurred to me

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Hm?

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Sangheili geisha

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:21 AM

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I...I admit the thought has not crossed my mind before.

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 3:22 AM

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But

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Sangheili are not Japanese

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They are lizardbois

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 3:22 AM

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it could be a lot thing

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:22 AM

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He means the cultural equivalent

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 3:23 AM

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We know little enough about female Sangheili

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:25 AM

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True, we only really know they are trained to defend keeps, can hold power in that regard but can never be a kaidon. Like males.have. o concept of divorce

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 3:25 AM

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They do, however, like in Medieval Europe have a great deal of influence over the household itself.

feral perch Mar 21, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Cosmopolitan

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 3:26 AM

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As we see in Glasslands, with Jul's wife making significant decisions relating to the people of the keep and pressuring her husband

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Exactly

dim roost Mar 21, 2020, 3:44 AM

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What if the snippet we see of Chief in the Ring Experience of Outpost Discovery is an alternate POV for a cutscene in Infinite?

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I mean, I'm sure people would be shocked to see Chief still alive and well after the Human-Covenant War, but at the same time, it's not hard to congratulate him and cheer him on to do more good later on.

exotic zinc Mar 21, 2020, 3:52 AM

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So is it safe to say the designs of the covenant figures revealed in the weekend the ones appearing in Infinite?

dim roost Mar 21, 2020, 3:54 AM

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At least a variant.

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 3:54 AM

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Seems like a good bet. Though I'd prefer we got actual renders before the toy reveals

exotic zinc Mar 21, 2020, 3:54 AM

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Yeah that'd be more ideal for me too.

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Have any Jackal designs been shown?

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Yeah.

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A Ruuhtian wearing a cute triclopian helmet

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 4:02 AM

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That one was amusing

exotic zinc Mar 21, 2020, 4:04 AM

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Just found it

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Looks like some recon variant

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Would be kinda funny if all of them were running around in those helmets

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 5:28 AM

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I guess

hearty gale Mar 21, 2020, 5:52 AM

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so me and jake have never really clicked and over the time I have gotten to know him, I am starting to hate him now. not that you would notice because you all $lmp on him uncontrollably and follow him like hes the president. but thats simply how I feel. thats why I have been avoiding him. He has been splitting our relationship a bit and I feel like we were not as close as we were before. And now with him being a constant a hole to me and a racist and you laughing along saying its a joke I can hardly call you guys my friends at all. So i guess what im saying is I dont really want to talk to you people maybe youll understand

carmine sleet Mar 21, 2020, 7:56 AM

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@enoz#7606 What?

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 8:48 AM

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^ I’m just as confused

brittle ruin Mar 21, 2020, 9:06 AM

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looks like a markov bot

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 11:14 AM

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During Operation: Torepdo there were 9 Spartan-IIIs who never landed on the surface of Pegasi Delta as it says here (taken from Halopedia):

“1135 Hours: 291 SPARTAN-IIIs land on the surface of Pegasi Delta within drop pods. Nine SPARTAN-IIIs are unaccounted for and are presumed dead.”

Although they are presumed dead, do you think there is a possibility they are alive or could have survived?

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I’ve read over this page a few times and have never really thought much about it until today

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 12:19 PM

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I never read the book but seems possible

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But I believe this is that operation where about 300 spartans died

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So if I remember, the possibilities might come to me

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There was water near the Covenant... "place" I forget

abstract venture Mar 21, 2020, 12:24 PM

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Could they be the ones pulled out for headhunter/cat 2 teams?

carmine sleet Mar 21, 2020, 12:27 PM

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They were pulled from Beta Company before Operation Torpedo happened, wouldn't make sense for them to be deployed, then pulled before landing

abstract venture Mar 21, 2020, 12:30 PM

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True

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Maybe some more were pulled out last second though

carmine sleet Mar 21, 2020, 12:34 PM

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Doubt it

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 1:09 PM

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I agree with Slip on that one, but they could still be out in the universe somewhere

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Always figured they got shot down by covenant AA

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Honestly

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I think it's possible something happened with them and the cruisers that the STAR satellites failed to detect.

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They might have crashed directly into them.

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Or been taken out by point defence.

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Hence, why the Covenant became aware of the landing so quickly.

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 2:57 PM

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So I assume you two don’t think there’s a possibility they survived then, or are yous just mentioning other possibilities?

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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I stated what I always figured happened to them. I dont see why they would be alive when a massive plasma cloud consumed a factory, the ground under it, and covenant cruisers in orbit.

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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If ONI wanted them they would've pulled them prior to the op.

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It doesn't make sense to feed false intel to the troops in the field.

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 3:20 PM

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I agree with Looters

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Well the point I’m making is that they never landed and are presumed dead, I was just putting forward that maybe they missed their landing point and never landed on the planet

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Ofc they probably are dead, but it was just a fun little discussion point

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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We know there were way more than 300 Spartans augmented in both companies. And I don’t think any would object to having teams pulled, so there’s no reason to hide stuff.

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My guess is that originally Kurt only had 300 spots, but managed to get Ackerson to approve more augmentees. We have a 5 year timeskip with Alpha, remember. A lot can happen in 5 years.

This ensures that the line in Ghosts is still intact, while also allowing for more Spartans.

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 3:35 PM

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I’m not saying that they’re hiding anything, I’m just putting forward an interesting thought. While they are no doubt KIA, there is a possibility they may not have landed on the planet and hence why they are presumed KIA, they may have just missed their drop point

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Even if they did, I doubt they could have gotten off-world. Tom and Lucy spent several hours checking comms and patrolling the crater.

And IIRC Tom only points out the nine signals as odd because it meant they were dead. There’s no real way they survived.

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 3:48 PM

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What if they never landed on the planet though but their pods were launched still, it means the signals would be odd as they would not even be on the planet, and Tom and Lucy’s search would be fruitless as they never landed on the planet

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 3:49 PM

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.....then.....they’d still be dead? They’d run out of air eventually.

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Okay, what if they were later recovered by UNSC forces then after somehow

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I know it would be more than a miracle for all of this to happen, but it’s all still possible

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Tom and Lucy leave the planet in their subprowler after searching for survivors but their efforts were fruitless. UNSC forces return to that area shortly after Tom and Lucy evac to assess the terrain and find maybe not all 9 of the pods, but a number of them and rescue the Spartans inside

torpid flare Mar 21, 2020, 5:47 PM

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why did the brutes stockpile UNSC weapons

stoic hamlet Mar 21, 2020, 6:07 PM

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On High Charity?

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 6:07 PM

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They liked them

gilded mason Mar 21, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Weapons are weapons

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 6:08 PM

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That ans they are similar enough to the jiralhanae's own weaponry

versed helm Mar 21, 2020, 7:59 PM

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In that they fire solid projectiles, and more or less that only xD

violet sleet Mar 21, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Yo boios yall got time to help me out with somethin

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 8:13 PM

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What’s up @violet sleet

violet sleet Mar 21, 2020, 8:14 PM

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You think you could help me figure out how long Crespo was in prison

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I'm doing a book report on Bad Blood and I was going to add that in

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I think Bad Blood was in 2559

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So he was busted out in 2559

violet sleet Mar 21, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Okay thx

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 8:15 PM

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But he was arrested sometime pre-2558

violet sleet Mar 21, 2020, 8:15 PM

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New Blood was in 2555 right

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 8:15 PM

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I’ll have to check

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Yeah 2555 is correct

violet sleet Mar 21, 2020, 8:17 PM

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K thanks

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You guys are the greatest

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Well others in here would have exact dates for you, but I don’t have the book on me right now

violet sleet Mar 21, 2020, 8:18 PM

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I don't need exact dates, what I got is good, thx

inner basin Mar 21, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Np, happy to help

terse lava Mar 21, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Has it ever been said when exactly sangheili created plasma weapons

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 12:29 AM

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I have no memory on that time, but I believe that Sangheili never created it

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I think it was the San 'Shyuum that created plasma weapons and when they formed the Covenant, they simply handed it to thwm

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them*

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 12:38 AM

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That's incorrect, the sangheili had developed plasma weapons in their own apparently thousands of years before the covenant formed. I am curious if we have any further details on it

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Oh. I didn't know that

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The most badass sangheili ever is that one Arbiter from Legends

violet sleet Mar 22, 2020, 1:07 AM

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I remember him

midnight marsh Mar 22, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Yeah

violet sleet Mar 22, 2020, 1:07 AM

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He was cool

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 1:07 AM

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He soloed an entire army with energy swords

midnight marsh Mar 22, 2020, 1:07 AM

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dual wielding energy swords

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Sick

midnight marsh Mar 22, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Although i would love to get ahold of one of the metal versions that they were using

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 1:08 AM

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The metal ones right

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They were metal with energy over it I believe

midnight marsh Mar 22, 2020, 1:09 AM

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who knows maybe its like a halo version of a vibroblade

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from star wars

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 1:22 AM

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The metal blades the ones facing Fal 'Chavamee had were simply that. You are thinking of burn blades, the precursor of energy swords. They had the a utility to heat up in the interior thus making the blade glow red hot

violet sleet Mar 22, 2020, 1:40 AM

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Then there is me over here, who has watched some videos and read a couple of books '~'

wet pollen Mar 22, 2020, 1:47 AM

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@terse lava hey I bought hunters in the dark c:

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 1:47 AM

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That is a good book

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Added good character to Ntho and Uze

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Did also like the ndialouge between the various characters

native nest Mar 22, 2020, 3:10 AM

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How do Sangheili speak English so well with a split mandible and no tongue

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I’m confused

rustic canyon Mar 22, 2020, 3:13 AM

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I thought in one of the books they had a translator in their armor harnesses to explain it

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I still have so many of the books to finally read just lagging behind

native nest Mar 22, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Oh I haven’t read the books I’m going to though

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 3:14 AM

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are all spartan 3's reallt dead after the fall of reach

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we know a few spartan 2's live

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except jun

gilded mason Mar 22, 2020, 3:19 AM

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There's a lot of S3s left

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:19 AM

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The wholesome duo, for one

gilded mason Mar 22, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Jun's the only Noble, though

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:19 AM

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And the equally wholesome family

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Spartan IIIs are incredibly wholesome

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 3:19 AM

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srry what do you mean by wholesome?

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:20 AM

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What I mean is Tom and Lucy

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They're chillin in Onyx

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And the Ferret team, headed up by Lopis

gilded mason Mar 22, 2020, 3:20 AM

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☺️ <- equivalent of wholesome

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 3:20 AM

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weird, i don't think any of the games except reach show saprtan 3

gilded mason Mar 22, 2020, 3:21 AM

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We're talkin' books

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Lopis is an un-augmented human inspector from breakaway colony who ONI brought in because she worked well with a bunch of Gamma company Spartans

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Anyway

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She's like a mother figure to them now

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 3:21 AM

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if we are strict to books, the flood, which is what i am currently reading.

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:21 AM

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And she's also got a mad (and 100% reciprocated) crush on Fred-104

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So yeah.

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☺️

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 3:22 AM

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aren't they on different squads

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how often do they interact

gilded mason Mar 22, 2020, 3:22 AM

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And she's also got a mad (and 100% reciprocated) crush on Fred-104
👌

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:22 AM

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The Ferrets have worked with Blue on... two occasions now.

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The first time at their founding, and then in a scuffle after.

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And I should say, the actual Spartan IIIs that constitute the Ferrets are Ash-G099, Olivia-G291 and Mark-G313.

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A trio of lovable psychos.

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 3:24 AM

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i look forward to that in the books

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also wait

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reading the flood aka halo 1

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why does chief only think about his spartan 2 brethen and not the 3's

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Well, The Flood was written before the Spartan 3s were a thing.

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The Spartan 3s were introduced in Ghosts of Onyx, about 5 years after The Flood came out.

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If you really want to find an in-universe explanation there's still wiggle room in which most Spartan IIs don't know the Spartan IIIs are a thing.

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 3:26 AM

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the first book mentions the prototype of spartan 3's actually, they just didn't call them spartan 3's

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mendez just calls them the next spartans

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:27 AM

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They were going to be Spartan II Class II.

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Halsey shut it down because there weren't enough candidates who met her scrutiny.

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It's a whole thing.

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 3:27 AM

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i got outplayed

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i don't i knkow about class 2

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Basically, when you're reading the older books, remember that they're older books.

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 3:28 AM

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like spartan 2's

rustic canyon Mar 22, 2020, 3:28 AM

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only fall of reach I think got somewhat updated when they released it again

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Ye

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And it's still not 100% perfect

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 3:29 AM

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i do have the newer version

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:29 AM

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50mm chaingun hog intensifies

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~~Nylund thought 50mm and 50 cal were the same thing, it's kinda adorable~~

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Dont forget the uber orbital mac's and planet glassing every cm covenant

rustic canyon Mar 22, 2020, 3:31 AM

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given when it came out. I might have thought the same thing but now... now I am old and somewhat getting paid to sit on a couch

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 3:31 AM

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huh?

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Hm?

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Yeah.

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The late 1990s/early 2000s were a dark age of gun nerdery

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Tis true

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Lots of things which sounded cool but weren't, like

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A thing

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Good times, good times

rustic canyon Mar 22, 2020, 3:33 AM

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I remember pouches

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lots and lots of pouches

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 3:34 AM

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And pouches for pouches

rustic canyon Mar 22, 2020, 3:36 AM

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and if you were extreme then those pouches had more pouches

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Or a bunch of zippers

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Hm, wonder if the covenant had any "eras" like that

rustic canyon Mar 22, 2020, 3:45 AM

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I can't unsee elites with fanny packs now

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Heh

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 4:23 AM

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How do you think the covenant would have been had other client races been on the council

cloud trellis Mar 22, 2020, 4:23 AM

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more discrimination

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Why do you say that

jaunty latch Mar 22, 2020, 6:24 AM

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is there any new lore have not been on here in a long time

tender ginkgo Mar 22, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Isn’t Lopis kinda like a love interest for Fred

inner basin Mar 22, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Spartan-IIs typically don’t have “love” interests so to speak

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But that being said it doesn’t mean they don’t care

carmine sleet Mar 22, 2020, 11:04 AM

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We don't see them "love" in the romantic sense

brittle ruin Mar 22, 2020, 11:31 AM

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well SII's are still human, despite their upbringing

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I wouldn't count it out

carmine sleet Mar 22, 2020, 11:32 AM

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I'm not saying they aren't human for not loving in the romantic sense. There's plenty of people out there in the world who don't love in that way

inner basin Mar 22, 2020, 11:33 AM

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They can however be affectionate to those they care about

carmine sleet Mar 22, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Indeed. Which is more akin to what close friends or siblings would feel

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Nope

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Y'all are wrong

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They're totally in the early stages of a romantic entanglement. It's incredibly plain to see.

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There is nothing at all to suggest a Spartan II can't fall in love in the traditional sense, especially in the era of Spartan IVs, in which Spartans are managed more like people and less like living tools of war.

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Lopis and Fred had an immensely tender interaction at the end of Retribution. You'd have to be very naive not to see where Denning's going with that.

deep pewter Mar 22, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Didn’t a Spartan II start a family at one point?

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Aye, Maria.

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Though there are some people who believe there's more to that case of affairs than meets the eye, with some reason.

carmine sleet Mar 22, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Randall had a kid

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Let's be honest here

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If there was another Spartan II who you'd think was going to be romantically entangled with someone it'd be...

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Probably Jerome, actually.

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Given that he's supposedly the personable one out of all the Spartans.

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But Fred's next on the list.

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I think Denning also implied at the end of Silent Storm that Daisy had a crush on Fred too. Something about her "laughing a little too hard" at his wisecracks.

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RIP her I guess.

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But Denning is definitely an author who's willing to bring this dimension to the Halo universe and honestly, I don't mind it.

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It draws attention away from how... odd Chief and Cortana's relationship can be.

hot tartan Mar 22, 2020, 3:28 PM

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I would've thought Chief and Kelly were showing signs of it... Cortana just loves Chief in a maternal way... 343 just tends to put that in a cloud of mist for some reason, covering it up with romantic flirtatious moves from Cortana, causing us to think that Chief and Cortana love each other

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Well

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If you like the idea of Chief and Kelly

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You'll like Oblivion then

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Because Denning dove pretty hard in that direction

terse lava Mar 22, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Indeed

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Ngl Kelly looked pretty darn good in the TFoR comic. She had this like 1950s-lookin hairdo going on for the Watts abduction.

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But uh

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Yeah, after seeing the St. Patrick's day image of like, chibi-ish her and Chief

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I'm convinced she's probably the most precious thing in existence

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...

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Ahem.

carmine sleet Mar 22, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Well, she has got a British accent

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Mhm.

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I was listening to the Ghosts of Onyx audiobook, though, and the reader did like a Southern US drawl for her

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It was a pretty good meme

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I mean, makes sense. Kelly is the sort of name you might expect a Southern gal to have.

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But I definitely cringed just a little bit each time.

carmine sleet Mar 22, 2020, 3:55 PM

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I'm guessing the person doing the accent isn't from the south

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Yep xD

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And it was a dude, too, obviously.

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Still. These are the things you get used to with audiobooks.

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God, the guy who did The Cole Protocol was so ridiculously enthusiastic with his voices that I outright burst into laughter in the car at points.

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I consider that to be entirely a positive thing.

carmine sleet Mar 22, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Well, it wouldn't be as good if the person reading it was just the most boring sounding person in the world

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Of course.

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Speaking of accents - I've been wondering if Linda's altered speech patterns in Oblivion (no contraction use) was because 343 directed Denning to accommodate a new VO for her. Maybe with an accent.

carmine sleet Mar 22, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Ok, so I just saw this from Denning's twitter to do with Shadows of Reach and Kelly https://twitter.com/TDenningauthor/status/1237494723327246337

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Also, that is possible

versed helm Mar 22, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Awwww yeeee

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Why is Denning just

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The best

carmine sleet Mar 22, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Like, don't get me wrong, the VAs for Blue Team were great in Halo 5 (Especially with how everything was) but I do find it hard to remember anything Linda said