Before
#lore-and-universe
terse lava
simple locust
How long before?
terse lava
Days if not hours. They were sent there during the alpha halo battle
simple locust
So did the Heretic Grunts have their particular methane tanks made specifically for the gas mine?
terse lava
Their armor was for that type of environment, not the mine itself
carmine sleet
If I recall correctly, the Heretics were a unique spec ops unit before they turned against the Covenant sent to check out the gas giant for any Forerunner structures, which is why they wore such unique gear
terse lava
Never heard of them bring that, only that they were sent there by the prophet
carmine sleet
Give me a second, I'll go double check
In September 2552, Sesa 'Refumee led an artifact retrieval group within the Fleet of Particular Justice alongside Loka 'Bandolee
Ok, found this on Halopedia, not quite spec ops, but artefact retrieval.
terse lava
Yea
terse lava
Curious, had truth failed to prevent the high council from electing a new hierarch, would anything really change
versed helm
Anyone else feel like Mercy had the lamest death?
Compared to Regret and Truth
I think his death was more tragic
That boi got abandoned/betrayed by truth
versed helm
Well, yeah, when truth said “Leave him,” I was a little pitiful for the guy
terse lava
Mercy was doomed the moment the flood grabbed hin
versed helm
Regret was beaten to death by Chief, Truth got stabbed my our good friend Arby, and Mercy died...to a flood spore.
terse lava
Well truth was correct, he couldnt take mercy then, he was infected
versed helm
Not a spore, my bad, an infection form.
terse lava
Ah in that way
Well he was a feeble old guy that wasnt a political guy like truth, or a semi participant in war like regret
terse lava
What kind of death could he have gotten?
terse lava
Mainly yeah
versed helm
Because he ordered Tartarus to betray the Arbiter
Then the Covenant civil war happened on High Charity
terse lava
Yep
versed helm
This is why political actions always have domino effects
And truth, well, he wanted more power.
He sort of got his wish, for a bit.
Then he met an energy sword by the very Sangheli be betrayed.
terse lava
Ironic seeing as he let thel live decades earlier
versed helm
Well, he did so thinking it wasn’t going to turn out that way
He really wanted regret out of his way
He didn’t care if Mercy lived or died
Regret was his only problem
Because Regret could’ve actually challenged him
Didn’t he technically send Vadam to die on that forerunner structure?
terse lava
Regret was also the only one who at first objected Truth's plan to wipe out humanity
The gas mine or the quarantine zone?
versed helm
Gas mine
terse lava
He likely expected it and had thel lived, could just send him on more tasks until he died
versed helm
Dude, imagine if the Monitor got to finish his sentence before Tartarus tazed him
gilded mason
I'm wondering just how long they all had before the planet's pressure killed them all.
versed helm
“You don’t want to know.”
terse lava
He pretty much did, "Oracle? Great Journey? Why do you meddlers insist on using suchb inaccurate verbage"
He was cut off at the end of verbage
I would think a few more minutes
versed helm
Chief told him, Gravemind told him, the corrupted Monitor told him...Still didn’t listen.
gilded mason
It can take a lot to be deprogrammed
versed helm
Didn’t the flood only use chief and arby as a means to stop truth from activating Delta halo?
terse lava
Not sure that's an accurate word for thel
The covenant wasnt some cult, was a full grown faith
versed helm
Well, it was a faith with cultish aspects
gilded mason
The covenant wasnt some cult, was a full grown faith
The end result is still that you might have a hard time breaking out of it even with evidence
terse lava
Oh yes I agree there, just when I see "deprogrammed" think some cult likenthe Governors of Contrition
versed helm
Man, Bungie must’ve gotten mad when they designed what races would turn on the Elites and what races would be friendly to them
Because I sure hated still having to fight those stupid bugs
The flying ones
terse lava
At the same time, thel lost his faith kinda easily. He was told by the covenant equal of the devil himself and a possible crazed monitor, and a demon
versed helm
Chief and the Gravemind are rather interchangeable as the Covenant’s devil
gilded mason
He was still unsure about things until he was able to finally confirm it with Spark.
terse lava
No not really
versed helm
Chief and Arby, but like 65% chief, was the reason the Covenant fell
terse lava
Depends on from what angle
gilded mason
but like 65% chief
How do ya figure?
terse lava
Chief was a catalyst sure, butbthats about it
versed helm
It was like 65% because think about it, he was semi-responsible for the Covenant Civil war, and multiple victories the UNSC had
gilded mason
he was semi-responsible for the Covenant Civil war
Thing is, Truth had been planning it for a very long time
versed helm
Well, the Sangheli might not have shot if he weren’t there.
terse lava
Yea, he saw the sangheili were questioning why humans were not allowed into the covenant
versed helm
Fun fact: the Battle of Harvest happened because of a Unggoy
terse lava
Wait, shot?
versed helm
Humanity and the Covenant had a sort of peaceful introduction
Infact, Humanity was going to set up trade, and the Covenant wanted to integrate us
gilded mason
We know the Harvest stuff
terse lava
Eh sort of, the jiralhanae weren't exactly clear on saying what they wanted
gilded mason
Well, the Sangheli might not have shot if he weren’t there.
Not sure what you mean there.
versed helm
I keep forgetting this server has a bot
terse lava
They wanted relics, the humans thought they wanted the planet
versed helm
Ostral, I meant that if he wasn’t there, they might’ve just kept their heads down.
terse lava
Had sangheili been sent, things would have gone. Better
terse lava
Ah, he is saying had sangheili been there, the unggoy would not have attacked
versed helm
No no
terse lava
Which idk seeing as the little fool panicked
versed helm
I meant on High Charity
terse lava
....oh
versed helm
Y’know, seeing that one brute smacked over the head with the Honor Guard helmet was funny...
gilded mason
Truth already ordered the Brutes to kill the Sangheili beforehand
So John being there wouldn't make a difference
versed helm
But why did Truth all of a sudden just betray the Elites? They had a centuries-old alliance, why just break it?
Because he was a power-hungry person
gilded mason
Because he was seeing changing trends among a lot of Elites' mindsets
versed helm
Anything to further his pursuit of power
And that
A lot of Elites started doing other things than what he liked
And when Regret died while being defended by Sangheli honor guards, he too, his chance and cast them down
gilded mason
Though it kinda already started in New Mombasa. And his First Strike fleet
terse lava
Indeed, had his intentions been more properly known, he would have been arrested as a heretic
Or worse if the reason for the war was known
gilded mason
His fleet was apparently almost all Brute, and he ordered all Brutes on Earth to kill Elites after Regret left.
versed helm
Regret was a fool though, still
Tbh, the one thing we’ve got to credit the humans for is that they did a helluva good job of hiding Earth
terse lava
kinda
gaunt oakBOT
gilded mason
Uh
What
Though through Cole, there was apparently a theory that Earth's location was already known to some Covenant entity/entities and they were trying to prevent others from knowing
terse lava
What did he even say?
gilded mason
No idea.
terse lava
...the opposite of heaven I guess?
gilded mason
No way that's filtered...is it?
gilded mason
Test it
terse lava
Wouldn't it be wiser to ask a mod first?
gilded mason
If you want
terse lava
I have 2 warnings already for typos
humble yacht
Hell is not filtered
terse lava
Then...what was it
humble yacht
Don’t worry about it
terse lava
But you are right Ostral, I wouldn't be shocked if truth knew very early on the location of earth
Willing to bet his view went like this, going after earth early would cause humanity to flee in snt direction
Keeping earth around until the end makes humanity fall back to it
versed helm
So what is Mars's population in the Halo universe?
terse lava
More then it was when a jiralhanae fleet arrived
Dont think we are given a number at all
still ibex
What about the moon?
terse lava
Same thing far as I am aware
spice pulsar
I wish we were able to see more of the XBR55 in action.
Harvest was good, but it wasn't enough.
versed helm
Tbh,i'm betting that Mars's population could've been somewhere within the low billions given that it's one of the very first planets that humanity colonized back in the 2080s
It's quite possible.
I'd go with approaching a billion.
terse lava
I wonder how long the covenant had that "conduit" in their possession. Only now realized it was the same relic from the H2A terminal 7
tiny abyss
What's a common illnesses for the sangheli
carmine sleet
Well, there was the Blood Sickness which affected the Ussan Sangheili of the Refuge, but that originated thanks to flaws in the protein feeders used by the Ussan's
It was also cured thanks to the Monitor Enduring Bias (No relation to Mendicant Bias) and the Huragok Sluggish Drifter
obsidian thistle
We have no idea. But that revelation does however tie H2A to Spartan Strike that tiny bit more
It gives 1 "possible" reason Regret fled Earth
I mean John killing a Scarab doesnt really scream "I must flee Earth". @terse lava
But losing a portal opening device. Well thats another thing completely
inner basin
I do wonder why he didn’t flee before flying down to the Earth’s surface. I mean he was completely outgunned and outnumbered
obsidian thistle
Well he had a Portal opening device IE the Conduit (that was on Earth). And the theory goes he was gonna use that to open the Ark Portal.
When he lost it. He lost his only real reason to be at Earth.
So he just fled.
inner basin
I guess that adds up
obsidian thistle
Thats the theory at least
Way better than "A Spartan killed a Scarab, so I must flee"
inner basin
Yeah most definitely
obsidian thistle
Cause there was at least 5 scarabs deployed. Of which two at least were Type-47A (Halo 2 Scarab) and one was at least a Type-47B (Halo 3 Scarab)
We saw both T-47As 2 get knocked out. But that leaves the T-47B and 2 unidentified atm Scarabs.
So I really doubt it was John getting close that spurred Regret fleeing
inner basin
I wonder why Regret wasn’t stalled or an attempt to stall him was put in place. The UNSC did have ODSTs dropping into the carrier and out of those, I wonder if any actually survived the drop too considering Regret made a slipspace jump and all. I know it’s highly unlikely but there were 100s so it is worth asking
versed helm
To be fair
The Spartan killing the Scarab could be generally representative of the ground battle turning against Regret
I would be surprised if that wasn't a factor in Regret's decision making
He didn't want to be in a position where he was being boarded
obsidian thistle
He did however have ample time to do more stuff. I mean we know where the Pad was John would have to use to board the ship. It was still quite a leg away.
inner basin
But Johnson had a Pelican that could be used to bring Chief there
Or closer at least
obsidian thistle
One could assume that Pelicans can only do so well near the initial landing site of the Covenant.
I mean logic would say even the poorest armys fight well at the initial point of contact.
terse lava
@obsidian thistle I never said anything on the scarab
obsidian thistle
Its more a tangent on how the conduit ties Halo 2 and Spartan Strike together
Outside of the setting
terse lava
Ah ok yea true. Interesting too that apparently the covenant only had the one conduit, seeing as truth chose to take the keyship rather then bring another one
versed helm
Well
He wasn't very well going to stay on High Charity
Nor was he going to leave the Keyship for the Gravemind
Also, to be clear, what I mean specifically was that in addition to Chief single-handedly blowing through a fair quantity of armour and ground troops, the news of which would have spread quickly among the Covenant forces on the ground
It was likely that the rest of the UNSC was closing in as well.
In Halo 3 ODST, a large number of marines in the city were able to attempt a push towards the carrier's former LZ only half an hour or so after it jumped
That doesn't shape-up well for Regret's battleplan
terse lava
Dont think thet can really be used since the carrier, and vast vast majority of the troops were gone
tall moat
Half an hour tho
terse lava
There was no way anyone was getting close/into that carrier. Heavily defended, pulse weapons can shoot down any pelicans, and the thing shrugged off orbital mac rounds. A punch of pods weren't going to break through that shield
versed helm
It didn't "shrug them off".
There's a good chance it just avoided getting hit. Likely because the other vessels were willing to sacrifice themselves to protect the Prophet.
I mean, there was another CAS, which didn't make planetfall.
And for two, if the carrier was going to use its weaponry, I believe it would have.
I would suggest - and I assure you this isn't as altogether ridiculous as it seems - that Regret was holding off using the weapons of his ship on ground troops in order to prevent escalation.
He clearly wasn't holding off for the risk of preventing harm to the portal.
As evidenced by his jump.
terse lava
We hear cortana being ordered to fire on the carrier though. And no cruisers were present as it blew through
versed helm
Probably because they died kilometers further out.
Hundreds of kilometers, I meant.
Space battles are fast
terse lava
You just said they were protecting his carrier
versed helm
🙄
Actually, you know what? I see your point.
Because after all, it took Chief with an antimatter charge to take out the other CAS.
Fair enough, presumably the MACs didn't have a particularly tremendous effect on the CAS vessels.
But in the position Regret put his ship, it would have been fairly trivial for the fleet to drop an ungodly quantity of firepower on his head with extreme precision
The damage to the city may not even be that severe
And you can be 100% certain the UNSC would rather have levelled New Mombasa than let a CAS get away
It's said in the very beginning of Outskirts that the objective of the UNSC is to get their hands on the guy. We know from the end of Metropolis that at least 2 marathons were still ready.
Unless...
The span of time for which Regret was active on the ground was the span of time it took for the UNSC to regroup.
And as soon as he identified that they could threaten him from space again he bugged out.
Which would tie into the notion of Chief's victory representing the general tide of the battle turning.
Mythos, if anyone's interested, has this to say:
Regret's military force was desperate to find some method of exposing the portal they knew lay hidden below the city, but the Forerunner machine continued to elude them and time was running out: the Master Chief, of whom Regret had heard terrible rumours, was approaching his position. Fearing for his life, Regret changed his plans.
Which begs the question
Why not unleash the power of his ship's weapons and eviscerate him
There is a common theme in Halo of Covenant ships being extremely unhelpful in-atmo
Look at the corvette on the second mission of Reach. Firing volleys of plasma at Sword Base at its own leisure, not bothering with any close support for those dealing with Spartans running around activating air defences.
lean karma
Who is the actual “head honcho” calling all the shots over all of ONI.. do we hear/know of him/her/them yet?
versed helm
During the Human Covenant War, it was a woman named Margaret Parangosky
Effectively a ruthless old grandma
Everything big ONI did during that time and before would have crossed her desk, including the Spartan program
In the postwar, she had plans to contaminate the ecology of Sanghelios to try and kill all the elites
Didn't go through
Her successor is also her protege, a failed Spartan II candidate named Serin Osman
Similar in attitude to Parangosky. Really hates Halsey. Personally helped begin the Sangheili civil war by providing arms to Jul while heading up a black ops unit designated Kilo-5.
A bit scary.
tall moat
Also features in my fav Halo trilogy Kilo Five
carmine sleet
Effectively a ruthless old grandma
@versed helm I don't think there's any other way of describing Parangosky that will ever be as good as this
strong sage
How long spartans II and IV can operate with or without supplies and sleep?
terse lava
3 daya I would think seeing as water counts as a supply
fair hazel
Did you say the Orbital MAC: didn’t have an effect on the CAS......?
versed helm
Not that it didn't have an effect
But clearly that they were struggling to take them down
As evidenced by the fact that neither of Regret's CAS-class ships were taken down by a MAC
Presumably the MACs managed to give the energy shields of those vessels a couple of almighty dings, though
They're probably responsible for the one Chief took out not having one
Plus, there were a bunch of CCS-class vessels we never saw again
So maybe they were just focusing on reducing the overall numbers of Regret's fleet rather than focusing on the big fish
fair hazel
The covenant ship had just fired upon the cruiser.
And they had punched a small hole into the defenses.
Just. Didn’t get hit would be it.
versed helm
Regret didn't so much punch a hole as very nearly punch a hole
And then ran the gauntlet
I feel it's a granted that the CAS ships would have taken at least a couple impacts from the Cairo, especially given Cairo's rate of fire
fair hazel
Only forerunner ships should be able to withstand the kind of firepower offered from a SMAC
versed helm
Kinda hard to say atm
TFoR's interpretation of MAC platforms quite frankly cannot be canon if Warfleet is canon.
Really, we need to get some space combat in a book to figure things out.
High hopes for Shadows of Reach.
Though it is worth noting that the MAC platforms over Reach weren't the Moncton-class design. They were something about half again as big. So I would expect somewhat greater performance.
Just not "several" kps velocity to 4% lightspeed and "multi-ton" slug to 3,000 ton slug, as we've been over before.
The increase in power should be a factor of 1.5 or 2, maybe. Not hundreds of thousands.
Warfleet generally seems to indicate a switch to greater ship durability across the board than in the Bungie-era EU, I also feel (though not the Bungie-era games, in which everything is more tanky. Just look at the Savannah.)
brittle ruin
the rate of fire of the MAC doesn't mean much if the covie ships manage to evade enough to not get hit
and roll around enough to spread the damage as well
versed helm
Very hard to dodge a projectile travelling whatever "several kilometers per second" means, sent your way by Cortana.
Especially at the relatively close ranges which the game depicts
feral perch
What is the tensile strength Mjolnir’s titanium alloy?
versed helm
I mean this in the nicest possible way
But why would you even ask that
We don't even know what it's alloyed with, or how
humble yacht
Coming from a self proclaimed gun afficionado, im shocked that question surprises you
carmine sleet
They aren't organic
cloud trellis
how old are the spartan 2's in the fall of reach?
gilded mason
In the actual event of Reach falling, around 41-ish
cloud trellis
wow, cheif is 41-ish after reach falls
hasty locust
Yep
cloud trellis
it doesn't feel like that when reading
hasty locust
Jenkins in CE is like 40
gilded mason
Chronologically, at least
hasty locust
Johnson was like 80 for Christ sake
cloud trellis
wait so what did he do between becoming deployed and sigma octanius
gilded mason
A lot
cloud trellis
fudge nuggets
i need to read the wiki, and the books where he is like 12
boarding a covenant ship the first time
cloud trellis
what year was that?
gilded mason
2525
cloud trellis
jesus these people are old
brittle ruin
remember that 1) medicine in 5 centuries from now makes people live well longer, and 2) they probably spent a few years combined in cryogenic stasis
birth age != biological age
cloud trellis
but like i can't imagine their minds are like younger then 20 years of age in a body of 41
they do more missions then sleep right?
stoic hamlet
Ehhh
Often you’d be in cryo for weeks or months at a time
And as Fred mentions in Last Light, a Spartan is basically always either on mission or going to and from a mission.
So they’d probably be asleep in Cryo moreso than awake.
Also it’s the opposite. Their minds age, their bodies don’t
gilded mason
Wouldn't it be both?
Since it's not like their minds absorb new experiences and stuff while in cryo
stoic hamlet
True
versed helm
If we're being poetic here
Maybe the detachment from reality that cryo brings gives you a unique outlook
Just yeeting out of existence for a month or two
Then coming back in a different time at a different place
It might psychologically age you. Make you feel cynical. As if you lack control.
Also, @humble yacht, in my defence I'd argue that when it comes to Halo's guns there's a lot to speculate on. The materials, not so much, and plainly so.
We know that, when it comes to humanity, it involves titanium. Titanium-50 apparently, if we're talking warships, which we're not. I guess it's a particularly desirable isotope for whatever reason.
We know that, in at least some cases, these alloys - generally designated Titanium A, and we're not 100% sure that A stands for alloy there since Titanium A3 is a thing - are nanocomposite, which means (according to a brief google) that the constituent "grains" are measured in nanometers.
Wikipedia says "The idea behind Nanocomposite is to use building blocks with dimensions in nanometre range to design and create new materials with unprecedented flexibility and improvement in their physical properties."
So it seems that nanocomposite are just fancy, highly blended materials.
steep cipher
You should do analytical yt vids
versed helm
Anyway, the point is, there ain't a lot of info to go off.
Relative to the fairly meagre info on Halo's guns, even.
So the notion of actually being able to discuss tensile strength in grounded terms is something that I feel is kinda laughable
Hm.
According to a website titled "BuyIsotope", Titanium 50 is useful for two things
Synthesizing "super heavy nuclei", which appear to be elements with so many protons and neutrons that they just radiate themselves to death
And something about nuclear gamma resonance and electron paramagnetic resonance (whatever that is) being used to find "irregularities" in different materials
Apparently 5% of naturally occurring titanium is titanium-50
If anyone was interested
inner basin
You know after reading all of that, bazinga makes a good point
Anyways I want to hear some speculation on what you think happened to all those ODSTs who were attempting to board the Prophet of Regret’s ship in ODST. Do you think any survived (besides Alpha-9 ofc)? My bet would be yes. I think that some teams or groups must’ve survived, but I’d love to hear what your thoughts are on the matter
hasty locust
Well in ODST you can find an empty pod I believe
cloud trellis
wait the ending of halo reach ending doesn't match with the events of reach
hasty locust
And yeah this has always been one of my biggest questions with ODST
Rioom, yep that’s caused a whole lot of controversy in the past
terse lava
You see them all headed to the carrier, the epicenter of the blast. Only one group peeled off at the last minutr
hasty locust
You’d think more would’ve survived
inner basin
Yeah I do know Ado, but the question is do you think any survived?
terse lava
No
inner basin
(But... Rho survives in Reach?)
hasty locust
Also I can’t remember but in spartan assault or whatever the second one was didn’t it say they replaced a group of ODST with a spartan for the sim
hasty locust
Ah
cloud trellis
wait so kelly,fred, and joshua are alive on reach doing something?
and james died and linda is brought back
hasty locust
Yep
inner basin
They stole the conduit from Regret’s forces but were killed in the blast
hasty locust
Read the flood, then first strike next
cloud trellis
infact i have those books next to me
hasty locust
They’re great books
terse lava
The difference between Rho and the troopers was we dont know if Rho was either on the carrier went it got cut, or in a different area which made landfall. The troopers meanwhile we see head straight down close to the carrier
cloud trellis
oh yeah the setting never gets boring, each chapter brings a new conflict that makes the world feel alive
the author isn't waiting for the pieces to be in play
wait i remember linda,fred, and kelly in halo 5
so where is joshua?
hasty locust
Well, I don’t wanna spoil it
inner basin
Well we don’t see the troopers die, but surely some survived
hasty locust
What troopers?
hasty locust
Oh
cloud trellis
beast what are you tlaking about?
hasty locust
Well isn’t ODST already shorter than trooper? XD
cloud trellis
what mission was that?
terse lava
Dothh my english english bug you bumpkin?
cloud trellis
that isn't what i mean. I actually meant what was the mission name and objective from a lore point
inner basin
There isn’t a real lore point as such. We’re just discussing if the other ODSTs that you drop with survived, or at least some of them. As for the mission name, it literally is called “Prepare to Drop”.
I mean I’ve seen drop pods hit hard before, such as O’Brien’s in The Babysitter (which I’m glad is canonised now)
hasty locust
Just rewatched the cutscene and it doesn’t look like anyone else could’ve survived
terse lava
Their mission was to land on Regret's carrier, get inside, and help the chief capture regret
hasty locust
The other pods are way below you heading for the carrier and if you remember dare tells you to switch trajectory before the carrier jumps because alpha-9 wasn’t supposed to land on it
inner basin
I mean I imagine they would’ve popped their chutes as they were losing power. It’s not impossible that a group out of the large attack force survived
terse lava
I dont recall the larger group doing that
inner basin
Well you don’t see them so we wouldn’t know, also I’m not saying they did, but at least some would have a common sense
cloud trellis
wait the fall of reach mentions the cole protocol. what was that op. I thought it was to capture a convenant ship
hasty locust
Yeah I don’t think the expected it to jump in atmosphere
terse lava
No that's red flag
spiral jewel
After Halo 3... Is the Keyes bloodline dead or do Jacob and Miranda have living relatives after their deaths in 2552? Aside from Halsey of course
inner basin
But they would’ve reacted to the EMP effect of a slipspace rupture
hasty locust
Cole protocol is when the ships wipe all their data to prevent the covenant getting it
inner basin
I mean it was clearly visible
cloud trellis
oh ok! there was a chapter about capturing a covenant ship, but nothing more more was written about it
terse lava
@cloud trellisthe cole protocol, were standing orders for human vessels to avoid wipe all data if covenant presence has been devoted and if failing that, detonate the vessel. If one is capable, they are to randomly make various jumps to prevent cove ant tracking them
round comet
After Halo 3... Is the Keyes bloodline dead or do Jacob and Miranda have living relatives after their deaths in 2552? Aside from Halsey of course
@spiral jewel aside from halsey?
i dont understand
cloud trellis
@terse lava ok is there a book more about red flag? i wanna know more, my cuirosity peeked after ending one chapter about it
hasty locust
I think he means if keyes had like a brother or something
spiral jewel
Aside from Halsey, did Jacob and Miranda Keyes have living relatives after their respective deaths > i dont understand
@round comet
inner basin
@round comet Halsey had a relationship with Jacob. That’s probably why he’s including her
inner basin
As for your question autobot, I don’t think so
But there’s nothing to deny that either
hasty locust
I guess to figure out the ODST question, you’d have to get a mod that lets you free roam out of the camera and see what positions the other pods are at
inner basin
Those aren’t entirely reliable either as they may delete the drop pods after they are out of sight instead to save time and resources
hasty locust
That’s true too
humble yacht
do you think BLAST soda tastes more like 7-Up, Sprite, mountain dew?
hasty locust
Well the reason A-9 wasn’t in the blast is because dare told them to shift trajectory because they were after Virgil
carmine sleet
I want to say Mountain Dew but I have a feeling it'll taste more like Sprite
hasty locust
Yeah
inner basin
Slipstream hit the nail on the head with that
carmine sleet
Speaking of which, I could go for a cold can of Sprite right now
inner basin
Settling, A-9 was still in the blast. It engulfed pretty much the whole city
hasty locust
Well unless they do something like what Fallout did with Nuka Cola, we’ll never know
humble yacht
jesus
round comet
im still very blank how could i not know keyes and halsey had a thing
hasty locust
And those are
humble yacht
hasty locust
Well like I mean, the lethal blast point where it was powerful enough to knock down a space elevator
round comet
i mean
humble yacht
ironically, it's a lemon-line soft drink but it doesn't list lemon as an ingredient
round comet
that basically makes keyes john's father figure
hasty locust
?
humble yacht
iirc, Keyes was with Halsey when she first scouted John
hasty locust
Yes you do recall correctly
round comet
no i just learnt that they had a fling
carmine sleet
that basically makes keyes john's father figure
@round comet Not really, Mendez is more of a father figure to Chief, given that Mendez trained the S-IIs
round comet
yeah i guess you could say that
hasty locust
Come to think of it, did John ever figure out keyes was there with Halsey when he was a kid
round comet
i cant even count the number of times chief thinks about mendez in the books
cus its like a lot
cloud trellis
fall of reach finished
round comet
and no he probably did not
cloud trellis
how many books have 117 as the protag
hasty locust
Many
inner basin
I’d almost say too many
round comet
i think around 5
cloud trellis
jesus i wanna know about other spartans too
hasty locust
There’s not many left
round comet
5 which are actually crucial to the lore, but in total its a lot
cloud trellis
like the 3 not there when spartan 2 were gathered
cloud trellis
thats 3 books away 😦
inner basin
Settling you said there’s not many (Spartans) left, but there are a lot of S-IIIs (unless you were referring to the IIs with that message)
round comet
i would honestly recommend you to read Silent Storm and then oblivion
hasty locust
I meant S-2 yeah
stoic hamlet
Even the II’s have more than they should IMO
hasty locust
There’s like 300 S3
round comet
if youve already read the fall of reach
hasty locust
I wanna learn more of the mjolnir S3 like Nobel
cloud trellis
shoot i need more bookmarks 😦
hasty locust
I think in reach jun mentions a “gauntlet” team or something
stoic hamlet
Gauntlet Echo and Red @hasty locust
We know Kevin-A282 was likely part of one of these teams
Seeing as he was on Reach during the Fall
cloud trellis
where do you guys get bookmarks?
stoic hamlet
Honestly I just use sticky notes.
round comet
@cloud trellis i actuall started reading from the forerunner trilogy
hasty locust
I’ve got E-books so there’s no need
stoic hamlet
I don’t think I’ve used a genuine bookmark in years
round comet
im one of the very few people who start from the forerunnner trilogy
but them im also like the only guy who loves halo 5 here, along with all the rest
inner basin
Eternal, there is also Spartan-B170. Their ultimate fate is unknown. I like to think they were deployed on the Recon Mission without Lucy
stoic hamlet
They were already deployed when Lucy was planned to be taken.
inner basin
?
stoic hamlet
And I count her as part of the 331
inner basin
Explain...
stoic hamlet
She was already on that long term recon when Kurt sent Mendez the letter
hasty locust
Do y’all think the dead S3 in “lone wolf” are canon or just there for decoration
inner basin
Ahh. You had me confused ahahahahahah
stoic hamlet
Presumably they’re canon, but their armour isn’t @hasty locust
hasty locust
Don’t forget the outpost discovery Spartans
stoic hamlet
I counted them
hasty locust
Oh, ok
inner basin
I love Owen’s story from Battle Born and the continuity in Meridian Divide
hasty locust
I want more Spartans using the EOD helmet, all we had was James
stoic hamlet
323 Gammas
4 Alphas (Hazel, Kevin, Jun maybe Rosenda)
4 Betas (Tom, Lucy, Owen, maybe B-170)
= 331
inner basin
You’re forgetting N6 in his cave (Jokes btw)
hasty locust
Don’t forget B312, caves are very durable
stoic hamlet
Lol
inner basin
You forgot to include the possibility of Gauntlet, Red and Echo teams. We know they have rosters of 6 S-IIIs. Potentially subtract 13 from them to explain the 13 dead S-IIIs at the ship breaking yards
stoic hamlet
Kevin was likely one of them
stoic hamlet
And I only counted confirmed III’s alive as of 2553 in my count
hasty locust
And are there any headhunters still kickin?
inner basin
Well they’re ex-Headhunters
hasty locust
No I mean ones we don’t know
stoic hamlet
IIRC there were 18 in the first wave
inner basin
All we know is that there are as of 2553 Spartan-III Headhunters
We don’t have numbers though
inner basin
Yeah I was about to say her lol
But I like to think there are Alpha and Beta Headhunters still kicking too
stoic hamlet
There’s several mentions in Halo 5 of “veteran Spartan II and III operators”. Whether that refers to Alphas, Betas, or Gammas we don’t know.
inner basin
Well they would all fit that veteran designation as of 2558
stoic hamlet
Yeah
inner basin
I think we need more lore on the Spartan-IIIs and will keep hoping for it
stoic hamlet
I both agree, but also don’t
stoic hamlet
We need more lore, but at the same time, the less we know the more we can infer/fantasize.
inner basin
I can see why you don’t, but elaborate to see if we’re thinking of the same thing
Okay, yeah. That’s what I was thinking
Makes (lore-accurate) fan fiction plausible too
stoic hamlet
I.E, for every mission with Blue Team, or every Hunters in He Dark op, there’s any number of operations being conducted by III’s that are just as important but so mundane they don’t deserve a story.
inner basin
Oh there was a few other Spartan-III teams I need to mention. There is one KIA during the Battle of Tribute, then there was possibly one with Owen when he made landfall on Meridian
stoic hamlet
Like, in Warhammer 40K, for example, for every Helsreach, there’s an Astartes
Super mundane, not necessarily “glorious” or “heroic” but necessary.
I’m guessing that III team on Tribute was probably one of the ones mentioned by Jun.
Owen’s Team (if he was being fully truthful) is possibly one of them as well.
inner basin
The one on Tribute I believe is different as the ones Jun mentioned were on Civilain Evac on Reach I believe. I think it was another unknown teams. As for the one with Owen (if he was truthful like you said), maybe was one of them. I think the exploration of these other teams and their missions could make for some interesting stories though
hasty locust
I don’t think jun said on reach did he
Cause didn’t the S3’s in the battle of tribute die doing an evac op?
inner basin
Yeah
They were KIA on Tribute
As for Jun, he mentioned these teams after the Falcon mission in Reach
(Before Kat’s death)
hasty locust
“an unknown number of both Spartan-IIIs and Spartan-IIs were deployed to the capital city of Casbah on Tribute. A Spartan-III fireteam held off a bevy of Covenant vessels while a small number of civilians escaped aboard a transport craft.”
Yeah so it was an evac op
inner basin
Yeah, but the ones Jun mentioned were implied to be on Reach. Why would he hear comms from another planet?
At least that’s my interpretation of it
Also if this reply seems messy, it’s because I initially misunderstood your point
halcyon delta
why did they bring high charity to delta halo knowing there was a flood outbreak
inner basin
They didn’t know at the time they brought High Charity there
carmine sleet
They also didn't know that the Flood would take over the In Amber Clad and use it to get inside High Charity
gentle shadow
@hasty locust Gauntlet, Red, and Echo Teams were all on Reach, the S-III team that was on Tribute was an entirely different team.
inner basin
Well there is a listing on Halopedia for the unknown team on Tribute and Gauntlet, Red and Echo
But that isn’t the best thing to go off
gentle shadow
If it was one of them, it would be mentioned that one of them got destroyed.
stoic hamlet
Not necessarily
The only mentions of those teams is Jun mentioning them
We can infer one may have been sent to Tribute (there was fighting well into September IIRC) , but we don’t know.
terse lava
I am actually curious if any covenant survived the tribute battle in grounded vessels
unique rune
Might be a bit of a weird thought. But I wonder just how many places in the Halo universe are called Springfield... given how common a name it is for locations in the real world.
seriously how are there 11 Springfield Townships in Ohio alone
terse lava
Who knows?
abstract venture
Yo I was just lookin at some of the armors in H5 today, and one of the visr ones mention the UNSC hunting down Brutes who were holding out on Tribute and Earth, so that answers ur question I guess
terse lava
Hm, only thing I recall on h5 armor on brutes was stalker armor being researched for it
abstract venture
Might've been one of the newer ones, it's one of the rare ones if you want to check
Found it, it's the rex variant
"The Rex VISR proved exceptionally capable of identifying optical aberrations associated with Jiralhanae active camouflage systems. Prototypes were used by UNSC Marine unites to track down Brute holdouts on Earth and Tribute."
terse lava
Oh, so that's what the halopedia.met with the end of the battle of earth. Curious though that jiralhanae were hunted yet not sangheili
Unless its inpliednthe orbiter's word and 343's truth on the forerunner made it to them that fast
hasty locust
I still wonder what’s going on with like the brutes nowadays
hasty locust
Yeah, like after the covenant collapsed theirs gonna be a whole lotta peeps who don’t wanna be with humanity
terse lava
Well the jiralhanae were always a barbaric race so not that shocking
hasty locust
Yeah, what about the small amount of prophets left
terse lava
With that exile fleet which was implied to be carrying thousands of san shyuum
hasty locust
Yeah, they just took all the engineers and dipped right
terse lava
They took those they could, not all
hasty locust
Sorry, that’s what I meant. Because a few of them are on the infinity right
gilded mason
They took those they could, not all```
Yeah, as talked about before, there was no conceivable way to take a majority of the Engineers around.They're simply too ubiquitous
terse lava
Yep, and seeing as how a huragok can throw a full grown sangheili around like a child, bet only those willing to go
hasty locust
Floaty bois
fair hazel
considering they can rebuild cars and stuff, it makes sense they can throw heavy stuff
terse lava
That would imply intelligence not strength
terse lava
I am just saying them being able to rebuild cars does not equate they are strong
wet pollen
Hi.
hasty locust
You’ve gotta have some beefy tentacles
wet pollen
terse lava
Perhaps, and greetings
hasty locust
Greetings
Oh god now I’m just picturing a bunch of engineers at the gym going reps and crap
wet pollen
Do you guys think Desolate Intention is a good name for a monitor?
terse lava
I can see it
gilded mason
Yeah, sounds good
terse lava
Hm, does sound pretty good
wet pollen
Neat.
hasty locust
Pretty good
terse lava
Hm, I wonder why apparently Dust/Tragic did not survive getting impaled by that cyborg he made
343 guilty survived a laser
gilded mason
Maybe he wanted to die
wet pollen
Ironic. I do not know how he died.
gilded mason
Haven't read Hunters in the Dark?
terse lava
Eh idk, he was insane but I wouldn't think wanting a death wish
wet pollen
Nope.
wet pollen
I'm going to buy it right now!
wet pollen
Any book I should read before Hunters in the Dark?
gilded mason
A Halo Fractures short story. Takes place after the Forerunner Trilogy
gilded mason
Yes
wet pollen
I imagined there wasn't a lot of material to make a story after it was all wiped from the galaxy.
Lol.
gilded mason
The remaining Forerunners receive the Librarian's posthumous request, and go to fulfill it.
gilded mason
Don't need to. But there's good stories in there.
hasty locust
Ok I hope I don’t get in trouble for this but I’ve always had this question and never decided to ask it. So AI choose their avatar right? So uhhh why did Cortana choose to look like that? Was Halsey not the most Christian person or what
feral perch
@hasty locust Cortana in CE and 2 (and 2A) isn’t particularly sexualized. But in 3, CEA and 4, it’s quite obvious.
hasty locust
IK, I’m just wondering if theirs an in-lore reason as to why she doesn’t like clothes
feral perch
2A Cortana is clearly wearing a one-piece
feral perch
And you can’t see... explicit body parts on any of the Cortana models
hasty locust
In H5 she’s wearing a body suit kinda deal
feral perch
Nor are any Halo games rated for partial or full nudity
hasty locust
Yea
feral perch
The lore explanation is stupid
hasty locust
And that is...
feral perch
Because literally zero characters acknowledge her appearance. Basically, it’s supposed to unsettle people and keep them off-balance
With how provocative it is
But we have seen that response a grand total of 0 times
hasty locust
Why would an AI want to unsettle peeps
feral perch
Because reasons
hasty locust
Where did this info come from?
feral perch
I can’t find it on Halopedia but I’m pretty sure that Frank O’Connor said it
You can also thank him for the nanobots explanation for Chief’s new armor in Halo 4
hasty locust
🤢
That was one of the dumbest things ever, of all time
If it was made of “nanobots” why not repair his chest piece
Just realised in H5 the chestpiece scar is gone
hasty locust
Yep, never actually looked to closely at the differences between H4 and H5 armor set
Ok, new question if you had the power to RETCON one thing of the halo universe what would it be?
gaunt oakBOT
terse lava
Hm...allow the covenant to fully glass a planet
jolly furnace
In fairness with the kind of energy required to sustain those ventral/plasma beams they should easily be able to glass a planet
unique rune
can I retcon all of Escalation into nonexistence
gilded mason
What about Ayit 'Sevi? (Barring Osman's silly description of him)
unique rune
barring him
he was alright
the rest of Escalation can go though
gilded mason
👍
jolly furnace
At the very least retcon Halsey' hacking of the contender out of existence
Cos screw that
jolly furnace
Any Stargate fans in this server?
gilded mason
What about you Ostral?```
I dunno. Probably some dumb Sangheili thingAny Stargate fans in this server?
@jolly furnace Indeed
Kinda wish Halo could use some Stargate-like stories now and then.
terse lava
@gilded masonno such thing as a dumb sangheili thing
What do you mean CIA?
Like self contained?
gilded mason
no such thing as a dumb sangheili thing
You mean not even...||Blood, doctors, barns, can't swim, etc||? 😋
terse lava
...was thinking story wise but yea....we are wiping that away faster then a flood infection
I thought you met dumb as in trivial
gilded mason
Ah
terse lava
Good
I will never know how she went from the good short story, Human Weakness to....the heresy series
gilded mason
I guess because it was really focused and limited scope?
terse lava
Yea maybe, a dialogue between two(maybe.more) beings would be easier
Hm, I wonder if any flood victims in a gravemind activity resist
versed helm
Kilo-5
More like
Kilo-"Elite fanbois getting triggered becuz elites build barns stronk"
feral perch
I don't remember anything about barns.
What's so controversial about Sangheili building barns?
versed helm
Rather
T'was their inability to do so
Generally speaking, the complaints are twofold
First, that Jul M'dama's wife had to consult ancient texts to reclaim the knowledge needed to build the barn
And two, that when the barn was complete, the elites were all very happy and proud of it
feral perch
Oh.
That doesn't make any sense.
She really wants us to believe that the Covenant coddled the Sangheili so much that Unggoy and other subservient species, and/or automated machinery built all their barns?
feral perch
For Sanghelios itself, I could maybe see it for some large city-states. But for colonies like Hesduros, Malurok, and the home of the Scion in Shadow of Intent, it's just silly.
gilded mason
Even on Sanghelios, we have a multitude of Sangheili serfs that do labor.
feral perch
That too.
versed helm
@gilded mason From what source, may I ask, do the serfs come
I have a sneaking suspicion here
terse lava
Mostly I just pretend the wrong part of that. Book dont exist. Even with them being warriors #1 and the main warrior caste of the covenant, they would need civilians
gilded mason
Whenever I see something like "The [insert race name] do [this specific thing]", I always just think of it as some specific part or culture does that thing, not all of 'em.
terse lava
Yea, would put it best as all sangheili know how to fight, but not all do
versed helm
Is it just me or did 343 nerf Sanghhelies
Spartans were suppose to be equal to Elite majors but now in halo 5 you see these Spartans running though zealots like Nothing
gilded mason
They were nerfed before then
deep pewter
Elites were never equal to Spartans
versed helm
If elites were generally a match for Spartans
There would not be many Spartans at the beginning of the Battle of Reach
And Chief probably wouldn't have made it off the Autumn
gilded mason
Fall of Reach and First Strike had some powerful Sangheili, but then Ghosts of Onyx definitely showed off a whole lotta weaker ones
versed helm
At the time of TFoR and First Strike, Nylund was running with the idea that elites were pretty new to the UNSC.
gilded mason
The Flood, too. Forgot about that book
versed helm
I'd say Dietz pretty clearly took a more gameplay-aligned perspective.
gilded mason
Yeah
versed helm
I read somewhere Spartan 2 were equal to elite majors
terse lava
I recall that too
versed helm
🙄
terse lava
Idk where though
gilded mason
Though I do think that sometimes the higher ranking Elites aren't exactly given the "threat" they deserve
versed helm
It was one of the old books or something
But they got nerfed bad
Spartans were seen as equals by those strong elites not as a superior
terse lava
Agreed, we have some like Lodamee given a proper threat, bit then you have a field marshal and his zealots getting offed by 2 s3
versed helm
Makes no sense
I repeat
And insults the struggle humans had and what bungie created
If elites of any rank really can consistently beat MJOLNIR-armed Spartans in close-range engagements
343 making power rangers
Then the Halo universe begins to fall apart really quickly
Elite Majors = Spartan 2
Spartans had better tactics
The insistence of even having playable elites who can stand up to Spartans leads to an enormous canonical issue. That's probably why we haven't seen them, or one of the reasons behind it, in the 343 era.
If playable elites return in Infinite I'll be very interested by 343's approach.
gilded mason
The insistence of even having playable elites who can stand up to Spartans leads to an enormous canonical issue.
Hm?
versed helm
Elites hunted Spartans
For trophies
Spartans massacred elites.
Constantly.
Throughout the war.
gilded mason
It could simply be that, we play as them because those specific Elites match up to Spartans
versed helm
Monsters, that Halo Wars cutscene?
That ain't an exception.
Those elites were armed with spears
And we're charging like idiots
terse lava
Not the brightest stealth units
versed helm
Spartans are better trained, better equipped, have better reflexes, and are physically stronger.
There are myriad examples of all these things.
Spartan 2 = elite major
gilded mason
Stop spamming that
deep pewter
Spartans have basically genocided covenant species tbh
versed helm
Master chief was almost killed by one as well
Example #1: Chief blowing his way through half the Covenant over the course of 3 mainline games.
How many do you think he personally killed, from 04 to the Ark?
Most of his kills were via bombs
gilded mason
04 to the Ark?
I should hope he killed none on the Ark
deep pewter
Remember when John killed a high ranking silent shadow in 2526 without even having shields?
stoic hamlet
Nothing is equal to a Spartan on the field in CQC. Not if they fight fairly. IIRC the only thing I can think of where it was close was Jai vs Thel but the fight ended too soon to tell who the winner would be.
versed helm
Fair point, Ostral.
I should have said 04 to High Charity.
But a better question - how many did he kill from Chi Ceti to Reach?
Hundreds?
stoic hamlet
This isn’t downplaying Elites or Brutes btw
deep pewter
At least tens of thousands
stoic hamlet
That’s not canon. How it’s depicted.
versed helm
It is cannon
terse lava
One can argue the shadows were more assassins at that time and become far deadlier as the war went ob
versed helm
If you get to say that the elites in Halo Wars were fighting below capacity with their staves
stoic hamlet
John isn’t stupid enough to use a sword in an honour duel
That’s not how Spartans fight
versed helm
Those elites were idiots lol
I get to say that Chief was fighting below capacity in making the uncharacteristic decision to use an energy sword against an elite swordsman
Ever read, for instance, Silent Storm?
Arbiter > Chief
How did the fight between Chief and Whatshisname go?
The Silent Shadow guy
terse lava
What? The battle with Lodamee was fully canon. Frankie's comment clearly was for origins
versed helm
It was, to be frank, humiliating, and it described Chief overpowering him rapidly and efficiently.
Lodamee was playing with chief lol
gilded mason
Aaaanyway. For Infinite. A canonocity explanation for equal Elites and Spartans could be that, since the SoS knows how Mjolnir works, they use enhancemnts from it in their own armor.
stoic hamlet
(Literally just commented this on reddit, lol)
Nothing on the field (aside from Hunters But I’d argue those are more like mobile weapons platforms than individuals) can match a Spartan in CQC. They’re either too slow (Grunts, Elites, Jackals) too weak (Grunts, Elites, Jackals) or too prone to being outsmarted or manipulated. (Brutes)
Even in SPI, Spartan III’s have been known to be too fast for Covenant troops to follow, it’s mentioned (IIRC) that if you aren’t augmented you literally can’t follow a Spartan’s Movements, even out of armour. It’s part of what makes them so unnerving, nothing should be able to move that fast or be so agile yet remain as precise as they do. And that, coupled with their reaction times means that to you it’d be like fighting a hacker. To them, it’s like a game of Super Hot x10.
If you fundamentally cannot comprehend what you’re seeing, there’s no real way for you to beat your opponent unless you get lucky, or fight “unfairly”. I use quotes there because the Spartans also fight unfairly, it’s another part of what makes them so deadly.
versed helm
Fine, let's play along
@gilded mason makes sense
Say that the ridiculous arguments you're making are true.
Spartan 4s must be considerable better than 2s then
If elites are comparable to or even greater than Spartans
stoic hamlet
You don’t need a canon argument
versed helm
SIVs are roughly equal to SIIs but okay
stoic hamlet
Just don’t have one
I’m willing to bend canon to have playable Elites
In this instance
versed helm
So if when a Spartan goes hand-to-hand with an elite they have even odds of winning
Then how are, like, any Spartans alive by 2552?
27 years of conflict
Are Spartans all just extremely lucky?
versed helm
The elites got nerfed recently
Basically, if the argument that elites can consistently match Spartans holds, we have a plothole.
And that plothole should be fixed
Ironically
By retconning it so that Spartans are stronger
stoic hamlet
They can’t.
versed helm
It really is that simple
You literally can't win
Unless you give me some really good rationalization really quick
I think a good exercise might be for you to go back and read the manual of Halo CE.
Just so you can reclaim a sense of what Halo is meant to be about.
343 nerfed elites to make Osrisis look cool
stoic hamlet
Where is this plot hole demonstrated?
I can think of plenty of examples of Spartans either being too fast for Elites or Brutes to counter, or the aforementioned species needing to resort to ambushes and overwhelming force to successfully eliminate a Spartan
deep pewter
Elites were nerfed long before 5
stoic hamlet
Ghosts of Onyx demonstrates he’s wrong (no offence dude)
versed helm
Spartans are just smarter and have better tactics
versed helm
Have you read stomping on the heels of fuss
stoic hamlet
Yes
versed helm
Where brutes are said to be running like cars
stoic hamlet
That doesn’t feature Spartans. And Spartans have similar feats
stoic hamlet
But yeah, anyways
versed helm
You just don't tangle with them in a certain way, in this instance, up close.
You kill them before they close the gap.
Elites, on the other hand, are a different story.
versed helm
I would rather fight an elite than a brute though
gilded mason
make peace not war
stoic hamlet
Again, I don’t mind bending canon a bit to allow for playable Elites
versed helm
I remember halo 2 brutes
stoic hamlet
Gameplay =/= canon, after all
versed helm
I use to be scared to play the beginning part of Gravemind
Is their a cannon reason why halo 2 brutes are stronger than 3
Just to be clear here, if it makes anyone feel better, elites are still a heck of a lot stronger than humans.
Un-augmented human infantry don't have a chance up close.
gilded mason
Lovely times, getting killed before the screen actually fades out from the black.
versed helm
But Spartans being strong is kinda part of the premise.
My reasoning is the halo 2 brutes we encounter are from Tartarus pack and guards and are the elites of the elites
While the ones in 3 are common brutes
versed helm
Your taking the fun out of it
One might say Halo at its core is based on two things: 1) you get to play as a super-stronk super soldier who don't afraid of anything and 2) you get to explore a big mysterious ancient-alien hula hoop
stoic hamlet
But that’s not a bad reasoning, I suppose
versed helm
It's worth bearing that in mind
Often, when I get too wrapped up in examining firearms, space combat or non-augmented human infantry
I have to remind myself that these things are collateral
You guys ruined halo for me
This entire time I thought chief was the underdog
terse lava
If it makes you feel better
stoic hamlet
Every Spartan was
terse lava
He was almost sawd in half by a sangheili commando
stoic hamlet
It’s just 1to1 they aren’t
versed helm
I feel like Chief plays a role more akin to Doomguy really
gilded mason
lewd
versed helm
There are spooki moments where he loses control
I still think Arbiter takes out chief
But for the most part, Chief is kinda like
A force of nature
gilded mason
On a date?
versed helm
Arbiter is older and more experienced
versed helm
Thel couldn't stop Chief from blowing up 04
stoic hamlet
Reaction Times
terse lava
True
versed helm
That covenant fleet was divided I heard
gilded mason
Reaction Times
Perhaps Thel shares Rtas and Tul's reflexes.
versed helm
Arbiter didn't even wear a gas mask against the flood
terse lava
A goodn point, Rtas was.able to match a being who was supposed to be able to fight spartans
stoic hamlet
Supposed to.
Doesn’t mean it could
gilded mason
I more meant that he was able to use his sword to parry a buttload of plasma shots
versed helm
Oh yeah
Stolt
Thel is also more intelligent
Honestly, I think what we've done here is accept a faulty premise
There is no Chief is better than Arbiter
Or this is equal to this
Context is king
stoic hamlet
Thel is more strategically intelligent
versed helm
We really don't know
stoic hamlet
John is better tactically
versed helm
Basically, generally speaking, Chief can beat up a grunt
But if that grunt has a fuel rod gun and a hundred meters of open ground
And is competent in the usage of that fuel rod gun
Chief's odds go down
You gotta think of things in that way
Variables
gilded mason
My thoughts on the matter: Most Elites aren't good as Spartans, but some are, through better skill/strength/strategy than their peers
versed helm
If you were in halo do you think you could kill a single Jackel
stoic hamlet
Noooooo
versed helm
@gilded mason I agree
stoic hamlet
No way
versed helm
Depends how I was armed
I think I could
If I was able to just shoot it probably
But if it's hand to hand we'd die to their claws
gilded mason
If you were in halo do you think you could kill a single Jackel
Nooooope
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If they are birds they have fragile bones
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I’m not a competent enough shot
gilded mason
That's a meme
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They are certainly not fragile
stoic hamlet
And up close I’d be ripped apart
gilded mason
Battle Born showed they are extremely tough
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Yeah
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You see one toss a human aside in halo 4
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Darn
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Er tackle him
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Humans are pathetic
gilded mason
They got pluck!
stoic hamlet
Ye
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Elites respected them though
gilded mason
And shiny teeth that twinkle
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They also helped bring about an ai overlord...oh wait
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Sgt Johnson is 6'3 and looks like a midget in the halo verse
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Well you only see him as the chief so...
gilded mason
In our hearts
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Crazy how he only knew chief for 2 months
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More actually
gilded mason
Actuallly
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He might be the third most important character
gilded mason
He knew him longer
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When
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He fought alongside john in the first months of the war
gilded mason
They met back in 2526
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Ah.
Did he knew it was John
This explains why KeepingthePeace holds some of his beliefs.
gilded mason
Yeah
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Yes
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He hasn't read Silent Storm
Boi
Read Silent Storm
Best Halo book ever
Certified
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And Oblivion
gilded mason
Brokeeeen Ciiircle
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Silent Storm is an excellent place to jump back in
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wait
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I still like halo evolutions the best
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It picks up right after the Chi Ceti action in TFoR
Halo Evolutions is amazing
Basically Silent Storm covers the first real actions the Spartan IIs took against the Covenant
That's the last one I read
And it has both John and an elite character as viewpoints
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He missed out on the forerunner trilogy too
gilded mason
and an elite character
❤️
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There's a new series of media in Halo
I tried playing halo 5 couple of weeks ago and did not understand
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He.has not yet earned journey
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A bunch of books and one comic with the subheading A Master Chief Story
I saw like 7 Spartans running around
They're all designed to be entry points into the EU
Or re-entry points for people like you
And they're lit
I miss halo
OH
And I was meaning to do this last night
There's some really interesting glossary entries in Warfleet I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on
Since Ostral and Ado are both here
gilded mason
Shoot
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Lore bois in chief around here
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Hm?
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I use to have a crush on Miranda Keyes
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Wait what?
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When I first played halo or was it cortana I can't remember
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Ah nvm misread thst