#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 312

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:13 PM

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There’s no reason to think he’s in Shadows of Reach so far imo

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Even if he's been living under a rock for 50+ years, upon getting out, the smart thing to do would be to assess the changes that have occurred in his absence

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and those changes would be major and warrant investigation

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Sure.

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But maybe he died on Netherop.

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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I can't see how it would be hard for him to find out the Covenant was defeated and that the Prophets were liars

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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That'd be an awful end from a writing standpoint

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Agreed.

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But it wouldn’t be surprising.

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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So Shadows of Reach happens after the fall of reach or before/during it?

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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The blurb says 2559, so...

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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after

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happens after H5, even

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Ok so it happens between H5 & infinite

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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pretty much

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:19 PM

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That's why the armor Chief wears in the cover is from the E3 2019 trailer

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:20 PM

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not confirmed

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Chimera, don’t you think you’re being overzealous? Remember when you wouldn’t even concede that the brand new Covenant toy designs, never before seen, weren’t based on Infinite?

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:23 PM

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no

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pointing out where things aren't confirmed or 100% certain is not overzealous

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Eh, borderline

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:24 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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don't read it then

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Like, the toy designs

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c’mon

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Ok, crackpot speculation, what if the alien faction that's going to be in the novel is led by the Elite from The Return?

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Hm. Wasn't he on a mission of atonement for all the stuff he pulled, though?

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I doubt it. He seems like a good Elite

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 6:26 PM

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I mean, his version of atonement could end up putting him in conflict with Blue Team. Maybe he feels he needs to grab something from Reach or something

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Perhaps.

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Either way, right now, I will likely just be going wild with speculation because I am seriously excited about this novel. In a few more hours, I might be a little less "tinfoil hat speculaton"

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:29 PM

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what if it's pirates

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like jackal pirates

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Could be

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:30 PM

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honestly, another Covenant splinter group looking for Forerunner stuff would feel a bit "been there done that"

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:37 PM

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I think they want to find remains of old Covey tech left on the sections of Reach where both Covey & the planet are still intact

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Probably to see if there's a way to fight off Cortana

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Maybe they work for Cortana & want to find out if there's more ways of taking down humanity, since the OG Coveys screwed the humans here

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Probably the first option tho

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Cortana isn't going to let anyone who serves her wipe out humanity, that would go against what she's doing

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 6:39 PM

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The elite wasn’t quite atoning

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He was going to torture that human survivor if you recall

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Why do you say that?

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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From the book after Silent Storm? (Forgot the name)

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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I only watched the animatic, to be fair

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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No. In The Return

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:41 PM

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The Return?

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Does the short story explicitly say he was gonna torture that Marine?

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 6:41 PM

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The passage ends (more or less) with the Elite saying “I still remember how to make humans talk.”

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Seems pretty clear cut.

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Are you talking about the ONI archive 343 just dropped on YT?

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:42 PM

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and then he feeds him comfort food and a beer

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Happy endings.

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Oohh

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:42 PM

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nothing gets a human talking quite like alcohol

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Mind melters

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Indeed

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This is the book after silent storm right

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:44 PM

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No.

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The Return is a short story in Halo: Evolutions

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:45 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/599501553413390336/687001618805424132/image0.jpg

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Someone said this is the cover for something?

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Is that true

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:45 PM

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yes

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:45 PM

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The new novel, “Halo: Shadows of Reach”

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:46 PM

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#halo-news

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:46 PM

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For the Shadows of Reach novel yes

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 6:46 PM

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set after Halo 5

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Thanks

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Looks lit

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I’ll cry if we don’t get Fred, Linda, and Kelly in infinite

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My children

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;-;

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I can relate

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Also

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Nvm

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What if there are Noble team remnants that Blue team run into during Shadows of Reach?

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This novel could settle the decade-old debate on Noble Six's after-Reach fate

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Noble Team remnants?

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Six's helmet

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Jun's leftover ammo in Castle base

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 6:52 PM

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This novel could settle the decade-old debate on Noble Six's after-Reach fate
If everything else could not pursuade those people, nothing in this book will, either.

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I see

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 6:55 PM

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If I could post the gif, I would. But Six is dead, so dead that he can't ever come back and is just as much dead as the Rookie is

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:55 PM

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The gif on Six getting killed by the Zealots in the last cutscene?

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 6:55 PM

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No, there's a gif that says Six is still dead

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Oh. I c

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 6:58 PM

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He’s dead. If there were remnants they’d have been found by the UNSC before Cortana’s rebellion. There were UNSC teams on Reach before she did her thing.

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:58 PM

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alot of surface area to cover

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Oh yeah, rehabilitation units on Reach using terraforming to revive some land on Reach, right?

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:58 PM

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and the helmet was still there as of 2589

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 6:59 PM

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But they have orbital scanners, and they’d be able to track IFF’s.

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:59 PM

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isn't the IFF in the skull, not the helmet?

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Yeah

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Thus.....

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Noble Six is dead

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 6:59 PM

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and also couldn't the body have been vaporized by a glassing beam?

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 6:59 PM

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That’s what I mean

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Even if he hid in a cave, the glassing beam most probably burned through the roof

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 7:00 PM

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If he was alive he’d have been found before Blue arrived.

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Since there was UNSC since earlier

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Yeah

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:00 PM

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oh i thought the argument was about finding his stuff, not finding him

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shouldn't even be an argument about finding him

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 7:02 PM

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I hope in Shadows of Reach Chief finds Six's helmet and kind of salutes to him or something like that, adknowledging him

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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they never met

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furthermore, we don't even know if he was ever told what 6 did

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Fred might mention the III’s overall

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But unlikely

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It’s not mission relevant

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And it would seem like pandering IMO

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:04 PM

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wouldn't be the first case of pandering

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Oh I know D:

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That line in Oblivion felt super wrong to me.

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You probably know the one. Near the end.

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

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I haven't read it but I plan on buying it since it follows Silent Storm, which I read

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 7:07 PM

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You’ll know it when you see it.

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Oh god, that one

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 7:07 PM

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What is it?

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 7:09 PM

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What’s a trademark line that’s become a meme?

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:09 PM

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this ain't it?

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Heh, no different line.

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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To war?

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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No. It refers to Spartans overall.

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Spartans never die?

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Oh that one

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Miranda, you really need to learn that isn't a viable battle plan

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I was thinking of something else

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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And it’s paired with a Spartan smile to.

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Just to really pander

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:11 PM

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what was Ostral thinking of?

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 7:13 PM

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The planet that those kids wanted to go to.

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:13 PM

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?

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Gao

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:13 PM

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i don't know what that is

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Ah, never read Last Light or Silent Storm?

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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never read anything

fair hazel Mar 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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He doesn't read them.

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Oh.

fair hazel Mar 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Also, sure it's not like it's 100% confirmed but in all likely hood, considering it takes place in october 2559, we can likely assume it is gen 3 and that designs would be like that for infinite if they appear.

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And the cover is beautiful:

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📎 cf_halo_shadows_of_reach_cvr-186e6d8fe7964aec80db0d847e906c5f.png

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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you know what they say when you assume

fair hazel Mar 10, 2020, 7:19 PM

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a logical based assumption is better than a random assumption.

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 7:23 PM

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It’s definitely a homage to TFOR cover

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Which I love

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Though I don’t like that Blue Team seems roughly similar in armour (or at least helmet) except Kelly. It annoys me to no end, lol

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Just slap some sniper ammo on Linda's shoulder and some ammo pouches on her chest, then slap some more knives onto Fred and it'll make them look even more distinct

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Wait what are those vessels above the team?

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Either Seraphs or phantoms

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Seraphs, likely doing a bombing run

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Looks like seraphs

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Fuselage aint C H O N K enough to be phantons

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:42 PM

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just leaving room for possibility

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Makes me wonder if that rules out kig-yar pirates, have not heard of them piloting those

obsidian thistle Mar 10, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Morsam-pattern Seraphs.

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 7:46 PM

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I don’t thibk its pirates or banished

obsidian thistle Mar 10, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Aka the Reach Seraphs

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Pirates dont use seraphs and banished would look more metallic and junkie

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:47 PM

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well shoot

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 7:47 PM

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So some kinda purple loving aliens

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 7:47 PM

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here comes another splinter faction 🙄

obsidian thistle Mar 10, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Hmmm you dont suppose Unggoy can pilot Seraphs right?

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 7:50 PM

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That’d be neat

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A grunt activist group

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Y’know, it says they’re only searching for something right, its not like they’re attacking the UNSC

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Pls don’t hate me for this but there is still a certain shipmaster who was tailed by prowlers...

obsidian thistle Mar 10, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Well there is an Unggoy faction

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Are you trying to say this is Rtas/SoS...?

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Doubt it'll be Half Jaw

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Its a possibility

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Hasn’t his position been unknown

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I dont think SoS

obsidian thistle Mar 10, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Hmmm its also possible this could be Fringe groups coming together

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Maybe

obsidian thistle Mar 10, 2020, 7:52 PM

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I mean we know so little on them so having them come out the woodworks would be ace

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 7:53 PM

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But im just spit balling and trying to think of something other than yet another splinter faction

fair hazel Mar 10, 2020, 7:59 PM

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the armours are also very legend inspired

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Why would fringe groups come together?

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Why not? Especially with Cortana's Created running around

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:09 PM

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"Blue Team’s mission is to penetrate the rubble-filled depths of CASTLE Base and recover top-secret assets locked away in Dr. Catherine Halsey’s abandoned laboratory" Knew they were gonna go back there sometime after Halo 5

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Seems like what kept fringe groups separated in the first place wouldn’t be so easily forgotten with a Forerunner-heavy faction running around

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:10 PM

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I don't see why not. This is the same universe where Humans and Sangheili came together against the Covenant.

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Common enemy

sterile sphinx Mar 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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It would be cool if we saw Jun in the book

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Probably unlikely but still

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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I mean, they didn’t come together out of any goodwill

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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this feels different. when the sangheili and humans came together, it was against a common enemy, but this "ruthless alien faction" is obviously antagonistic against humans

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Just necessity

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And even then, most didn’t want to.

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Perhaps it's the remainder of any Covenant research crews and military bases there from after the invasion of Reach, up till the end of the Covenant, formed into their own faction of Covenant on the planet?

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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I don't think CIA is saying all factions would come together, but some would certainly consolidate power against the Created

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 8:13 PM

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The UNSC reclaimed Reach.

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Oh, didn't know that, nvm then

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 8:13 PM

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There would be no Covenant remnants there

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I just hope it’s someone new

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Not Keepers

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:13 PM

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I'd take Keepers

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Not remnants of Jul’s group or Telcam’s

sterile sphinx Mar 10, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I think by that point all that would be In reach would be terraforming gear

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Better than Banished in my book

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 8:14 PM

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True

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I’d like something new though

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:14 PM

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That would be cool

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:14 PM

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something new would be nice

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it's always covenant related

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 8:14 PM

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If it’s an already established group I’d be rather peeved. The universe feels often smaller under Denning I’ve noticed. And not in a good way.

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Maybe some new aliens than operated far away from the Orion Arm and found their way there because of the Created

abstract venture Mar 10, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Blue team trying to retrieve Noble 6 who's hiding in the caves under castle base

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:15 PM

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but then why have Covie tech?

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:15 PM

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True

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:15 PM

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honestly that aspect of the cover gives too much away

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Yeah

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:15 PM

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and limits where the story could go

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Still all the Forerunner artifacts, followers of the old Great Journey still cling onto, that'd mean it's just another Covenant remnant though if they're there for the Great Journey, can't imagine what else anyone would fight over Reach for

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 8:16 PM

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I’m cool with it as long as it’s not an already developed faction.

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:16 PM

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It probably will be

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 8:16 PM

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No matter what happens, let’s just pray Gao isn’t mentioned, lol

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:17 PM

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inb4 it's Jul's wife who was never actually dead and now is looking for reverse revenge

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:17 PM

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I mean, pirates would be cool imo, though they'd still need a reason. Recovering Forerunner artifacts to sell to a Storm Covenant?

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Ooh what if it's Kantar 'Utaralee come to finish Rho's work?

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 8:17 PM

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That’d be pretty cool

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Storm Covenant
even if that were the faction's name, that faction is gone

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Yes and no

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:18 PM

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I thought that's just what we started referring to any Covenant remnants as

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:18 PM

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it somewhat survives because of Sali 'Nyon

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But as we knew it, definitely gone

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:18 PM

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I thought that's just what we started referring to any Covenant remnants as
Banished are a Covie remnant

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nobody calls banished "storm"

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Fair, though they don't go after the Great Journey

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:19 PM

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neither did the "Storm Covenant"

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Did they not still believe in it?

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:19 PM

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nope

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they only believed that Forerunners were gods

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they didn't believe in the Halos and the Great Journey

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Now that I have returned I have one final piece of tin foil hat evidence as to why in shadows of reach Rtas will be the antagonist

sterile sphinx Mar 10, 2020, 8:19 PM

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But didn't the banished split from the covie before it was defetead

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:19 PM

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remember, Jul's Elites were still Prophet-haters

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Oh, well, none the less you get my wording, we don't need to argue semantics, that's pointless.

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:20 PM

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It's not really semantics. "Storm Covenant" was a misnomer from day 1 and doesn't refer to anything

abstract venture Mar 10, 2020, 8:20 PM

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The covenant faction could also potentially be the prophets

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:21 PM

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people confused Storm Elites with the name of the faction

abstract venture Mar 10, 2020, 8:21 PM

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They've been getting teased in random novels for a while now

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 8:21 PM

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And storm grunts

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Storm is just an elite rank

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:21 PM

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It's semantics to argue my meaning when I used the word, but still understanding what I meant by it, it's pointless, it ignores my original thought

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Tbh it wouldn't even need to be Covenant remnants that still hunt down Forerunner artifacts like my original comment, my same thought works for most factions, most factions would want Forerunner artifacts, just that, if they were getting it for the UNSC then they wouldn't be fighting Blue Team, and if they were getting it for Cortana, then, well... You'd think they'd be less vague if it were just Cortana's doing.

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Anywho, we all know that Rtas’s ship is called the shadow of intent, yeah
So now we look at the title of the book shadows of reach, now that ain’t no coinkydink if you ask me

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:24 PM

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If Rtas is the villain then he's probably going to die

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:25 PM

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He made multiple Shadow of Intents, you're onto something there

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:25 PM

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which would set off Rtas fans like no one's business

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Yep that’s why I’m theorising this

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It never really said they were attacking the UNSC, so if he was just mining artifacts and these Spartans show up he’s gonna defend his loot

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:26 PM

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why tho

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he knows Chief

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:26 PM

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It's Rtas though

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I don't take him for a feral greedy Brute

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:27 PM

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he also knows that attacking spartans would break the treaty with UNSC

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:27 PM

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I can't see Rtas being the villain.

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 8:27 PM

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🤷‍♂️

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:27 PM

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which would probably anger Thel

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and he's devoted to Thel

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:27 PM

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He believes in the Arbiter, in the Arbiter's vision, in peace with Humanity

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Yeah but considering the prowlers tailing him he probably already figured the humans broke the treaty

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Could just be a completely new character who knows

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:28 PM

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i don't like assuming but it's pretty safe to assume that Rtas is not the bad guy

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:28 PM

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What about Prowlers trailing him breaks the treaty?

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Also, Thel is pretty aware of what ONI has done.

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Is there a lore reason why the brutes from reach aren't in any other game?

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Doesn't ONI kinda want Rtas dead?

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:29 PM

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what do you mean "brutes from reach"?

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they're just brutes

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 8:29 PM

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ONI wants allot of people dead

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Pavium is a Brute from Reach @versed helm

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:29 PM

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ONI does not want Rtas dead, just to keep an eye on him

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@feral perch What do you mean?

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Ah I forgot, my bad

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Apparently he shot down 3 ONI ships that were trailing the Shadow of Intent

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 8:31 PM

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“By March 2558, Rtas 'Vadum—along with all other Sangheili administrative and military authorities—was designated a priority target by the Office of Naval Intelligence.” Doesn’t seem like keeping an eye on him to me

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:31 PM

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And he's a priority target of ONI, coming from the Wiki linking to Catalog Interaction on Waypoint

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:32 PM

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that's before the Created rise

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Though I still don't imagine him trying to stop the Chief, let alone the entirety of Blue Team, from accessing Forerunner ruins on Reach

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I mean yeah it's before, but it does mean he's definitely not quick to trust the UNSC anytime soon

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:33 PM

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I imagine ONI stopped spying on the SoS once the Created came into play

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not trusting the UNSC and actively attacking them are two different things

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:34 PM

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I mean it's about the same year it happened

versed helm Mar 10, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Can't wait for infinates story to be revealed, all that juicy lore waiting to be found out

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Yeah but you don't really know what's personally been going on with Rtas for the past years apart from that small bit of information

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:34 PM

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i don't think he'd do anything that would potentially set off a new war

snow void Mar 10, 2020, 8:35 PM

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I still doubt it's him, but what we do know does somewhat leave it as an option, but I'd much rather meet him on good terms in one of the games than see him killed off in a book.

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Rtas is the opposite of a person that would lead a "ruthless" and "vicious" faction.

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:38 PM

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eh, i think ruthless can still describe him

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remember he glassed half a continent

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 8:39 PM

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But these are also his last thoughts in a book taking place afterwards:
Maybe, in the end, this was the best that any warrior could hope for. A chance to reconcile with your enemy, or, failing that, to fall in the pursuit of peace.

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remember he glassed half a continent
Don't go Lord Hood on us now!

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:40 PM

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one can be selectively ruthless

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Maybe Rtas only gets ruthless when on mission

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that actually seems to fit

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even in halo 3, he was ruthless when it came to humans and the Covenant, but at the very end he expressed concerned about his home world

abstract venture Mar 10, 2020, 8:42 PM

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During shadow of intent it's pretty clear he doesn't want to fight

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Pavium and Voridus both resemble Reach Brutes. I was under the impression that Reach Brutes were of the Rh’tol Skein.

abstract venture Mar 10, 2020, 8:42 PM

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He would have retired if the arbiter didn't ask him to control the shadow of intent

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 8:42 PM

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i'm not saying he's always ruthless, just that he can be when necessary

abstract venture Mar 10, 2020, 8:42 PM

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And the ending of Halo 3 takes place several months after the rest of the gane

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Game

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I think shadow of intent takes place between those eventa

limpid meadow Mar 10, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Shadow of Intent (the book) is after the end of Halo 3 most likely.

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Dude, if I’m right I except a slice of cake
*expect

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 8:56 PM

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*accept

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and nah, Rtas ain’t gonna be the leader

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My money is on an equally improbable candidate: Xytan ‘Jar Wattinree

humble yacht Mar 10, 2020, 9:08 PM

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looks like someone looked it up on halopedia after making their assertion

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 9:16 PM

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How can it be Xytan?

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Well, he did say equally improbable.

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 9:19 PM

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True, true

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Perhaps it is Tam and Nizat died

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 9:34 PM

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shut

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 9:35 PM

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eyebiter iz ded pls cri

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Cry for an Alien? NEVER!

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 9:40 PM

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sad worts

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 9:40 PM

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wude

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Okay I'll cy for you two

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 9:42 PM

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thank

stoic hamlet Mar 10, 2020, 9:42 PM

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my wonderful 'Leet friends.

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Aw

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Yay

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Hm, on wondering what was said earlier, when was reach reclaimed?

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 9:45 PM

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SPLIT JAWS!

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 9:45 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Reach#Revival_and_re-terraforming_effort

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On November 2553, a pioneer group arrived on Reach for an initial search and preparation for the planet's reterraforming. Due to its symbolic and strategic value, Reach was quickly selected for rehabilitation and full-scale recolonization by the Unified Earth Government, classified as a priority redevelopment area.

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So I'm guessing with the Created stuff going on, they had to drop the project

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And then this new group swooped in

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Ah, was debating on the possibility if a left behind covenant group as someone suggested earlier

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 9:55 PM

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All the Skirmishers

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The new Covenant faction is just Skirmishers

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 9:55 PM

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With seraphs?

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 9:56 PM

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totally

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Hm I wonder how they even got to reach. Did Cortana not put a guardian there?

bright briar Mar 10, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Maybe she thought it wasn't worth it, as it's not much of a military threat.

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Glassed planets wouldn't be a threat if they haven't got anyone living there

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Well the positioning of it and such

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Like, if Meridian's people tried to resist, the Guardian she sent there would've likely ensured they couldn't

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Yea

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Well we’ll figure it out in September

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Indeed

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 10:29 PM

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I was hoping it came out like June or July

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Being able to read it while chilling outside would be nice

carmine sleet Mar 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Aye, agreed. I have Oblivion and both the Battleborn books sat near me right now but because it's cold right now, I'm waiting until summer to read it

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Warm weather would be nice

hasty locust Mar 10, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Snow’s finnaly melted over in Canada land

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Nice

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Do we know anything at all on the covenant group on reach at all?

gilded mason Mar 10, 2020, 11:21 PM

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This is the very first time we've heard of this.

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 11:21 PM

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I know, was simply curious if there was some tidbit of info we may have missed

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Something to help show if they are just a random new group, or an older "for the great journey" type. If I had to guess personally, either an old covenant group, or that one guy who left jul

feral perch Mar 10, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Sali’Nyon?

terse lava Mar 10, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Yes him

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Plausible

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Or since we’re talking about sangheli should I say clawsible BUH DUM TSSSSSS

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:12 AM

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throws rotten tomato

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Elites glassed reach, so we should tomato Sanghelios

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Let’s launch rotten tomatoes at the surface with MACs

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:14 AM

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And while we’re at it nuke hesduros

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:14 AM

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No, leave hesduros alone

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Let it be the only elite planet left

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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NEVER

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Hesduros must be wiped out

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Malurok is a way better candidate for survival

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So yeah let’s nuke Hesduros

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Lol yall only wanna nuke hesduros because you think ugly elites come from there

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But they come from everywhere

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Hmmm, fair point

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Except the exceptionally ugly ones come from there

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Remember arbiter in H5

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He looked exactly like the hesduros elites

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Except for his armor, of course

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:19 AM

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No

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:19 AM

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NO!

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:20 AM

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I wanna nuke Hesduros for the light show

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I know H4/5 style Elites come from everywhere

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Poor Hesduros, gettin' bullied by y'all.

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:20 AM

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He should try to be less lame

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 12:21 AM

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He?

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:21 AM

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He-sduros

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Lol

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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....ugh

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Why dont we just take Hesduros, and push it somewhere else?

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:23 AM

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PUUUUSH

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:31 AM

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planet later gets shattered by an Alaskan precursor star road

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:33 AM

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And yet, it wouldn’t change how the sangheili look

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:33 AM

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nobody cares about that ya rahcist

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Xenoist

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Specist

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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That's the word you are looking for

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Or that...I think

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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I don’t care, they’re ugly

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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be more accepting

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Tell that to the covenant

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 AM

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They accept plenty

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 AM

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They accepted eveyone....whether it was wanted or not

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 AM

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But no one accepted them

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Cause they look disgusting

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:36 AM

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why

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Why theyook bad or...?

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Why hesduros elites are an abomination?

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Oh

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:36 AM

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But it’s not just hesduros elites

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:37 AM

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True

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Don’t. Even. Say, it

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H5 just made a mistake that’s all

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:37 AM

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That whole phenotype thing was a fan made rumor

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All elites look the same

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Didnt h4 originally have them mainly from there?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Yes but halo 5 showed it wasn’t a biological thing but an art design thing

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 12:38 AM

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That whole phenotype thing was a fan made rumor```
Are you just continuing the joke here, or do you think that?

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:38 AM

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If I recall chim, that only applies to thel and his men

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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What’s wrong with the way H4/5 Elites look, eh?

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Thel and the SOS canonically look like H2A sangheili

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Fixed it 😉

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:40 AM

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They look like a bunch of primitive sangheili took over a covenant outpost and attempted to craft their own armor

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:41 AM

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🤦‍♂️

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:41 AM

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plot twist regular elites come from hesduros and all the elite fans just nuked their home world so we’re stuck with the abomination

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:41 AM

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I assume that was towards me Chim?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Of course

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Of course

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Bullying is not a-ok
-me

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:42 AM

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He asked, i gave my opinion.

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I never said I was right, i am just not fond of that artstyle.

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I did get used to the h4/5 unggoy though and kig-yar

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:50 AM

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I get not being a fan of the art style but trying to pass off one as canon over the other is just factually wrong

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Its simply what I have heard

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 12:52 AM

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We’ve all heard it. It’s not true

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Oh?

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Interesting, I had heard it was from grim himself, a time constraints problem

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 12:53 AM

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You are correct

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/halo-5-sangheili/c73aceae-7ae4-4b4c-b419-0dffcffd0350/posts?page=1#post14

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Thanks, was looking for that

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 12:54 AM

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/canon-fodder-feet-first

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Also this, talking about how Sangheili have a large variety of phenotypes

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 12:58 AM

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As far as I am aware, 343 has not gone back on that

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Ok, taking that into consideration, it doesn’t mean hesduros elites developed a hesduros phenotype due to genetic drift

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Which is mainly what people argued

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Jul wasn’t from hesduros but possessed the same phenotype

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Furthermore, grim’s statement arguably makes any game depiction/representation or necessarily “canon”

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Since it can be changed for any reason from art design to time constraints

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 1:12 AM

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I figured that's what they were trying to do

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:19 AM

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I actually just now realised arbiter and SoS in the H2A lock cutscene look like the good elites

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:20 AM

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I still don’t notice the difference

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:21 AM

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I still don’t notice the difference
You mean, like, visual differences between how they look in H2A vs H4/5?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:21 AM

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All I see are armor differences

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That was the only thing about H4/5 elites I didn’t like: the armor design and the uncovered arms

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Are you being sincere right now?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Yep

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 1:23 AM

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If I may

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Can you expand on that?

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:23 AM

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gasp

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It’s all in the chompers

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:24 AM

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How do you expand on not seeing differences?

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Well I mean, the main example i guess. The different facial look eith the mandibles

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Also the hands

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:25 AM

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I don’t see differences there

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:25 AM

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And their elbows

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:25 AM

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I'm a bit gobsmacked

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:25 AM

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I just watched the H2a arbiter scene and the H5 arbiter scene

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:26 AM

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He’s trolling us cause we can’t send a million comparison images as to why this polygon is out of place

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:26 AM

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I actually a did a render that had both of them in the same scene a long while back.

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:26 AM

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In H5 he has white triangle markings painted on his arm. That’s the only difference I see

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:26 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/nj9KPdK.jpg

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:27 AM

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That’s helpful

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Would never notice such subtle variation of not side by side

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:27 AM

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It's really not subtle

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Unless you're being sarcastic

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:27 AM

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I still think so. The fuss over the changes is overblown

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Uh

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That doesn't seem normal.

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:28 AM

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You made that image!?!

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Yeah

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:28 AM

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I’ve seen it before, that’s sick dude

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Thanks.

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:29 AM

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The H4/5 Elites are sometimes called eyebiters

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Especially when people say the new elites look like brutes. That’s just asinine

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Chimera isn’t trolling against the rules?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:29 AM

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If anything they just look slightly drier than the one on the left

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Yeah that’s a mentally deficient criticism. They don’t resemble Brutes in the slightest.

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:30 AM

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Elite on the right could use some moisturizer

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:30 AM

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Basically the biggest problem people have is that the mandibles almost overlap with the eyes

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Not to mention the skin color

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Yeah that’s a mentally deficient criticism. They don’t resemble Brutes in the slightest.```
I think what people are trying to say is that they don't look intelligent. Which is a bit rude to Brutes, but still.

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Actually i take that back

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:32 AM

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Bruh Ostral you hate Brutes

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:32 AM

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Nah.

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I just like them the least

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:32 AM

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^

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:33 AM

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same difference

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:34 AM

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That’s an oxymoron

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Nah.

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I like them the least-wait, I dislike Yonhet more.

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But anyway, while they're down below, that doesn't get them to the "hate" tier.

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:36 AM

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There’s only two things I hate, people who are ignorant to other phenotypes and hesduros elites

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:36 AM

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I hate that people complained to the point where grim had to actually address it

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:37 AM

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yeah the Halo community is pretty toxic

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we were on Watchmojo’s list of top toxic game communities

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Can be

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Hahahahahah nooooooo waaaaay

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:38 AM

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I’ve no love for watchmojo but that’s funny

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Nah I think the halo community is pretty clean compared to some nasty PlayStation communities

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Like the ranked R6 siege community 🤢

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:39 AM

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I’ve noticed there seems to be an inverse ratio between the skill of a player to the likability of the person, among competitive players.

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 1:39 AM

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We have our disagreements, not every community is perfect

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Walshy is a notable exception.

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:40 AM

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Halo community is the best community

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:40 AM

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of course you have to say that here

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:40 AM

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👀

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:41 AM

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No you don’t postums

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:41 AM

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ssshh don’t give ‘em ideas

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:41 AM

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But I believe my words

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:42 AM

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hrm, bleh, RAIDSHADOWLEGENDS

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 1:46 AM

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We do also see that visual art change with reach in regards to brutes

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Hesduros brutes, nuke em too

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Jk, jk I know there’s no such thing

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BUT WHAT IF THERE WAS hypecat

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Reach Brutes are the best-looking versions besides H2A Brutes

sinful kelp Mar 11, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Avid Halo fan here: I've never read any of the books or delved into any of the extended lore of the Halo universe. Where would be a good place to start? I'm looking to learn EVERYTHING possible about the universe, so I'm down for any suggestions whether it be books, movies, or comics. I appreciate the input in advance

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:53 AM

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From the beginning halo: the fall of reach

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Halo: The Fall of Reach is good.

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Halo: broken circle is good too if you want to know more about the covenant

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:56 AM

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Or the forerunner saga if you wanna go chronological

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:56 AM

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As an alternative, I could also recommend Halo: The Fall of Reach Animated Movie (available on Netflix I believe) followed by Halo: Silent Storm and Halo: Oblivion @sinful kelp

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:57 AM

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~~don’t bother with halo: legends~~

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:57 AM

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Halo legends is good for a different kind of experience

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If you like different artistic takes

sinful kelp Mar 11, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Fantastic, I've added all of those to the list. Thanks a ton, fellas

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I actually remember watching Halo: Legends when I was a kid. All I know about it is that younger me enjoyed it lol

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:05 AM

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It was quite enjoyable

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Always been curious, when a combat form becomes a carrier, would the original infection form join the new born ones or digest itself to give them nutrients?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 2:29 AM

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I thought carriers were made from hosts unsuitable to be combat forms

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 2:31 AM

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elites cant bite their eyes

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Does the UNSC still follow the Geneva Conventions and does the Geneva Conventions still even exist in the 26th century?

tardy dagger Mar 11, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Um hey everyone. If I recall from Bungie.Net back in the day Carrier Forms can be made Combat Forms that were passed their use. But its been like 10 years since I read that so I may be a lil rusty on my lore. I always liked fo think it was like how Ants sometimes change their roles near the end of their life.

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:37 AM

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In a Halo Wars comic an infection form infected a crew member on Spirit of Fire and stumbled around for a few hours. After that, his back swelled and exploded with infection forms. So it's actually the other way around

obsidian thistle Mar 11, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Hmmm maybe it depends on the scenario

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Anyone?

obsidian thistle Mar 11, 2020, 2:40 AM

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I dont think it ever has been mentioned in lore. So atm it may not even exist

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In-universe that is. I could be wrong however

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I'd need to dig a lil

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 2:42 AM

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If it does exist, and I see no reason why it wouldn’t, it could easily only apply to human wars

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:43 AM

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So what other San'Shyuum aren't complete liars other than M'ken and Zo Reskin?

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:43 AM

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It was either beings not good enough to be combat forms, or elderly combat forms that became carrier forms

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:44 AM

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What about the Pod Infector that infected Jenkins?

obsidian thistle Mar 11, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Not all San'Shyuum are alike. So I'd presume a good number were innocent and were lied to just as much as the other Covenant Client species.

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Yup. Species are made of individuals. 🙂

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Mhm

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:46 AM

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I still want to see them come back in some way

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Yeah, that'd be neat

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Maybe not in en-masse, but

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Well they have an exile fleet

obsidian thistle Mar 11, 2020, 2:47 AM

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The Bestriarum had around 1k left from High Charity post schism.

And thats assuming their homeworld is not around.

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:47 AM

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I do wonder if any sangheili at all remained loyal and joined the San shyuum

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Maybe sangheili who hate other sangheili

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Yes but the later novel shadow of intent says vessels left high charity capable of carrying thousands

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Or were really close to specific San'Shyuum

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Though then you'd wonder how other Sannies would take it

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:48 AM

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I am thinking the latter, a sangheili and San shyuum family lineage who were protector and protectorate for eons

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:49 AM

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It still bothers me,is Janjur Qom still around?

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Maybe

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And that's all we know

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Yep, could be gone, as San shyuum studying the home star thought, or was a later lie

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:51 AM

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IF and that's a big if,would that mean that the Stoics are still around?

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Maybe

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:51 AM

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If I recall, at the time it happened and was announced to the Covenant, not many believed it

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Cultures can change drastically over millenia

obsidian thistle Mar 11, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Still a shame the San'Shyuum could be close to extinct.

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 2:52 AM

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yeah i cri

obsidian thistle Mar 11, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Less than 1k left (estimate) is not good odds to rebuild

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Indeed

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Good thing they were researching genetic restructuring

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:54 AM

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It also depends on if any of them can still reproduce

obsidian thistle Mar 11, 2020, 2:54 AM

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That can only help so long.

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:54 AM

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They were pretty inbred by 2552

obsidian thistle Mar 11, 2020, 2:54 AM

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And even if they went to cloning. That would eventually stop being effective.

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Back in 2100 BC when they left their homeworld, genetically were still ok

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:55 AM

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I mean,with all of the advanced tech they had at their disposal,why didn't they just use said tech to fix all of their genetic deformities?

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 2:56 AM

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They were doing so for some individuals

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The Prelates

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 2:57 AM

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i think i know what the plot for the book will be

obsidian thistle Mar 11, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Lotsa theories atm

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Okay so, Rho 'Barutamee was looking for maethrillian location on reach, thats why he was there, not to cause the fall of reach

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:58 AM

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I mean,they did use the same tech to increase their lifespan

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 2:58 AM

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so then, the organon is on maethrillian and could be key to taking down cortana

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Rho 'Barutamee
Oh man, I forgot about him! (Somehow)

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 2:58 AM

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so thats what i think

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as for the infinite plot, i think the UNSC wanted to activate the halo ring.

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well, transport it near maethrillian.

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but cortana stopped them by damaging the ring.

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so they lost 'everything'.

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okay so that's my theory

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Not a bad theory.

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 3:00 AM

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if i get it right, i'll still enjoyo the story but ill be pleaesantly surprised

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Hold up,it was later revealed that the Organon was basically a powerful Precursor A.I named Abaddon

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:00 AM

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I..did t think about Rho....nice

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 3:01 AM

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i've kept thinking about maethrilian and rho multiple times before halo infinite was announced.

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i was like, maybe we go rescue rho barutamee and then go back to reach in infinite!

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well, in halo 6!

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Idk about rescue, but he would have been left on reach had he survived

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 3:02 AM

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or escaped, who knows.

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see the thing is the thingy's text doesn't like, compleeeetly said he died

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it says something along the lines of, he presumably died

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Yup, and no death date

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:03 AM

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True

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 3:03 AM

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All while Jorge got a definitive "He died" and a death date

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:04 AM

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And interestingly enough, notice how when reach was checked after the war

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 3:04 AM

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if i've been right for this whole time it would be amazing

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:04 AM

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No one checked the damaged carrier in the mountain?

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No mention at all for such a massive vessel

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 3:05 AM

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maybe it, slipped from the covenant's minds.

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 3:06 AM

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I'm betting that ONI might've searched the vessel and kept the info hidden from the rest of the UNSC

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:06 AM

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I met the humans

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 3:07 AM

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maybe they did

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Wasn't ONI studying the Guardians?

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They were in the early stages of studying them, I'd say.

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Judging from LoO

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Maybe whatever information they had so far on them could be very useful in finding another weakness on the Guardians

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 3:10 AM

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in castle base?

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 3:11 AM

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I still wonder whatever became of Colonel Urban Holland

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The dude had no character model and we only see him as this little picture on the screens

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Maybe he WAS the picture

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Or maybe he was transmitting from the different planet

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IIRC,didn't the UNSC managed to obtain super-luminal communications capabilities near the end of the war?

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Idk

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Something odd I just found on halopedia. Apparently some s4s volunteered to join teams assigned to flood facilities. And they dealt with outbreaks?

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Yeah, the Field Manual talks about it

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:46 AM

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That they routinely deal with flood outbreaks?

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I mean...that seems shocking to say the least

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How does that even happen?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:53 AM

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How did it happen on I05? Neglect and a lack of regular checks, probably

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Though I wonder about the frequency of these outbreaks. Because if they were that frequenters before Spartans were around, the galaxy should have been overrun long ago

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:54 AM

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I should have rephrased that. I know how such a thing can happen. But how often

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The fact thst it is worded "routinely" is concerning

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As far as we know, while the covenant had fought the flood throughout its history, it does not appear too often

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Yet not even a decade after their fall, humanity is fighting the flood on a routine basis?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Maybe the routine part is based on checking for outbreaks rather than quelling them

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Or maybe the author of the field guide didn’t think of the implications of their wording

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Maybe, yet as you said unless the covenant themselves had these outbreaks handled, it seems they would have overrun the galaxy already

quiet umbra Mar 11, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Hey guys

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how did the covenant find installation 05 so quickly after stumbling into 04

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did they get a map in the EU or something?

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Regret had a commando team on the world Miridian after a battle there. They retrieved a luminary relic which, after a year of working on it, san shyuum were able to get it to work. It showed the coordinates for the halos, the ark, and the ark portal

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 4:04 AM

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Oh yeah, here you go, Ado
https://i.imgur.com/1anoC6P.jpg

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:05 AM

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........I dont know how to feel about that

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Though nothing about "routinely"

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Guessing the halopedia combat form article took the " they have broken out of their cages post war" as more then just a few outbreaks

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Yeah, might've made assumptions

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:08 AM

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But the fact that such a thing has even happened...seems too weird

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I can understand having flood teams for IF they come across flood

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But the way it seemed worded...

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Well the banished beat back an outbreak on the ark

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And no one but them knows

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Spirit of Fire is aware, I'm guessing

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Granted we know the source of that outbreak but, spartan fireteams could handle much smaller outbreaks

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Well yea therenwere human combat forms

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:11 AM

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I wonder if those were somehow leftovers

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Well the banished likely had thousands of troops still fighting back the flood on the ark

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Wondered that myself

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I assumed fresh ones

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:12 AM

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I can’t see how they’d all be fresh with their numbers

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:12 AM

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I don't see the flood keeping a combat form around that long when they had those...junior abominations?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Too many flood too fast

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Well as was said the other day, how accurate was the battle depicted

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I am not saying they couldnt be leftover human combat forms. But even if they are, the Amber Clad only had so many humans to use

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Do the banished encounter UNSC at any point during the dlc?

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Yes

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First level

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Before or after the outbreak?

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:16 AM

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Before, A small scout team and later their base

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Overall a small human presence

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:16 AM

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Then I personally doubt that the SoF contributed to that flood’s forces

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:16 AM

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And that's it for live humans in the ATN

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Ok, but there were still a good chunk of human forms running around

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Just another reason for me to not like ATN

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Seems like little thought went into it making sense with the surrounding narrative.

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:25 AM

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It still makes me wonder how often these s4s have come across the flood, and how many have fallen

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:26 AM

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The Flood Spartan simulation design had to be inspired from something

novel plank Mar 11, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Seems like little thought went into it making sense with the surrounding narrative.
indeed, the outbreak happens and the SOF just kinda just stands back and watches while sipping their juice packet

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:28 AM

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True, wonder then if the Covenant did encounter the flood far more then I though previously

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Before the age of reclamation, I doubt that often

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But during the age of reclamation, things picked up

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The covenant started messing with forerunner stuff more and thus more chances for outbreak

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:30 AM

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The covenant were always messing with forerunner technology

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Yeah but they started messing with the really important stuff during the age of reclamation

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:31 AM

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That we know of, for all we know they could have delalt with a large outbreak in the past

novel plank Mar 11, 2020, 4:31 AM

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The Flood Spartan simulation design had to be inspired from something
I think the modern strain of UNSC forces (based off the S4 program and other advanced tech uses) just likes to think that, if they ever needed be, they have teams with heavy simulation training 'prepared' to quell outbreaks
There has not been any outbreaks from anywhere where that we wouldnt have heard of because it would not make sense within current lore
There's also the chance whatever microsoft crony was making that little Infinity booklet just made something up with no idea what they were really doing

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Yeah but it’s official and therefore it’s lore

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Even if it doesn’t seem well thought out

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:32 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/1anoC6P.jpg

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There you go Bari

novel plank Mar 11, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Im saying said microsoft crony theoretically couldve assumed flood outbreaks happen often
like, all they know is the spartan ops story and never read any of the books

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https://i.imgur.com/1anoC6P.jpg
yep, thats what im referencing
i have that very little booklet, actually glanced at it while shuffling thru my library a few days ago
forgot that cringy page existed (whole booklet is cringe but then again i think it was made for kids who are new to halo)

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Ok

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Still bad it's for kids

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 4:40 AM

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What booklet? The Link doesnt work for me

gilded mason Mar 11, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Spartan Field Manual

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Ah

stoic hamlet Mar 11, 2020, 5:51 AM

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It also has errors like nobodies business

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Like, really bad stuff

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You would think it’d have been looked over but I suppose not.

novel plank Mar 11, 2020, 6:42 AM

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indeed

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 6:57 AM

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Examples?

snow void Mar 11, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Btw I know it's really late to add to an old discussion from last night, but when people say H4/H5 Elites are more like Brutes than Elites from past Halos, it's mostly referring to how they act, but there are some visuals more adherent to what Brutes are. The H4/H5 Elites wear big heavy armor with their arms almost completely exposed apart from 2 small shoulder pads, as well as their necks and most of their face exposed. Their armor's so bulky they can't even walk properly, their lighter skin makes them look almost feral. Their visual appearance is rather repulsive, and once again, they're super bulky.

novel plank Mar 11, 2020, 12:19 PM

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i think that whoever came up with the new direction just assumed "oh, so all need are big ugly alien military monsters. that's easy"

snow void Mar 11, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Yeah didn't seem like they really knew Halo

brittle ruin Mar 11, 2020, 12:29 PM

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tbh that direction started with Reach, not 343

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making the elites look more brutal / alien / savage

novel plank Mar 11, 2020, 12:36 PM

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yeah but in 4 is when it really hit
making almost every single race of the covenant scaly
so sad

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 1:44 PM

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reach changed sangheili for the worst

feral perch Mar 11, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Disagree

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Reach Elites are best Elites

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 1:45 PM

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h2a are the best elites

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Reach elites are great. Love the armor diversity

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 1:46 PM

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reach elites don't look how elites "feel"

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they weren't terrible

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still recognizable

brittle ruin Mar 11, 2020, 1:46 PM

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reach elites are interesting, but they are a departure from the original trilogy.

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less "noble / honourable warriors" feel, much more aggressive and primal in a way

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Nothing wrong with that inherently. Reptiles are often scary and angry, after all

brittle ruin Mar 11, 2020, 1:49 PM

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yeah but the reach elites aren't the "hail humans, and take heed" H3 elites

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Do they have to be?

brittle ruin Mar 11, 2020, 1:49 PM

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the context and setting is also very different between those games

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Yeah in H3 and even H2 the elites look less scary because you’re fighting WITH them, whereas in reach they didn’t want you fighting something recognizable as an ally

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Good point

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which I was going to mention^

brittle ruin Mar 11, 2020, 1:50 PM

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yeah I agree with that

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Thel “Medulla Oblongata” ‘Vadam

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they stopped speaking english etc

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I think the design was mainly psychologically based

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while looking beastly, they weren't brutish yet

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there was still a look of order to them

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and they were huge too

brittle ruin Mar 11, 2020, 1:54 PM

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that's because S3's are smaller than the MC

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:00 PM

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they looked big to jorge too

snow void Mar 11, 2020, 2:08 PM

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My only issue with Reach elites are their body anatomy, their legs are stretched further up and so are their heads, but their upper body remains rather large in comparison

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But I wouldn't blame Reach's elites for 343's art direction

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Also their arms are way too long in Reach(compared to the proportions of the rest of their body) and their forearms are too bulky with some of the armors

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H2A has the best Elites thusfar imo, I just dislike the H2A Elites' faces being unarmored for some reason in H2A(apart from the Arbiter)

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Reach sangheili were not fully bad, although I was not fond of the toe look compared to the previous hoof one, or the more odd face when you see them un-helmeted. The various armors was bittersweet seeing as you couldnt customize them

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Unarmored? They bear the same as of h2

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Although their head is larger

snow void Mar 11, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Their posture's way different

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:16 PM

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True, the newer armor look does make it look like it forces them into the crouch position

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 2:16 PM

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The infinite toy armor is pretty good

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Its got the H2A anatomy with reach like armor

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:19 PM

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The bottom.looked slightly h4 though

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Ye

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:26 PM

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And while it is likely just from being a.toy, idk if I like that the face is blue and has red eyes

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Are we talking about the yellow Elite?

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Ye

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Likely just for the toy emphasis. The same was done for the Halo Wars elites back in the mega bloks days

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Those were not that great either

novel plank Mar 11, 2020, 2:56 PM

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The elites in the game itself were ok tho...

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Personally not a fan of HW1 Elites. They're a bit too massive for my taste and they're entirely naked

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Seriously, look at the 3D model for them, they have no visible bodysuit. It's just armor on flesh.

novel plank Mar 11, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Perhaps that was just design flaws akin to the time of the design

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:01 PM

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The HW elite’s abdomen is a toothpick, thats my only complaint
https://i.redd.it/c5p38zosli921.jpg

novel plank Mar 11, 2020, 3:02 PM

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They lookvery monstrous and nightmarish

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While also albeit very comical lookimg

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Wow im looking at HW2 elites
Modern poly armor looks great on them

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Quite certain halo wars 1 sangheili wore bodysuits....but i do agree I did not like them either

novel plank Mar 11, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Quite certain halo wars 1 sangheili wore bodysuits....but i do agree I did not like them either
No they are right
I just looked at the models and they are indeed naked
I think it's just simple design choice; they didnt need to put detail in

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Look at ripa for example
He has a suit underneath

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:08 PM

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The link above is a comparison of all elites the HW elite doesn’t have a bodysuit

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:09 PM

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I...I dont see one

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This bothers me now, was certain they had one

novel plank Mar 11, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Yeah they def dont

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:12 PM

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........he's right...there's no suit

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That's just weird

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Yep, said the message above incorrectly

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:16 PM

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But why? Why take it? They had a suit from halo ce?

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:17 PM

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🤷‍♂️

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Maybe its so they can have the half open vest look

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Halo 1 &2 did that though

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And kinda h3

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:20 PM

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I think in the cutscenes the honour guards have one

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Looks like you are right, but no one else does

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:28 PM

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HW1 'Leets were big fans of 300

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Ironic

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Ok the stealth sangheili do wear them too

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Well now I gave another reason to not like the hw1 versions too

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Why

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Some pf the HW2 elite armor designs look cool

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 3:33 PM

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The HW2 elites were basically H2A

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They looked almost exactly

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the same

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:34 PM

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The exocutioner armor

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Whoops

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Hw1

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Not 2

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:34 PM

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They were the same (in cutscenes). A lot of models were recycled where possible to save on time and cost

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:35 PM

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I did enjoy the halo war 2 models

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:35 PM

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If playable elites return to infinite whats one armor you’d like to see?

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:35 PM

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I'm honestly liking what we saw at Toy Fair. The mix of new & classic is nice.

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:35 PM

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I’d love to play as or fight alongside an honor guard

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:36 PM

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But Reach-style armor is my favorite

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:36 PM

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They better....as for armor...I am happy with the classic combat harness

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:36 PM

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The fact that there are honorguards in Halo Wars 2 is still weird to me

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:37 PM

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I fond it more weird they have proper game models, but wear plain armor when Regret was present

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As for the ones in hw2, I agree

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Honour guards are BA

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Game models are easier to create than the high-poly ones in the cutscenes

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Also I imagine Regret wasn't canonically on the battlefield so.

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:39 PM

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I also like to imagine that that particular group was wearing combat-ready armor for some particular reason. Maybe Regret at that time valued combat rediness over ceremony?

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I'd like to see that explored at some point, even if only briefly

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:39 PM

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On the battlefield no but during the cutscenes

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Yeah ceremony has less priority on a battlefield

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:40 PM

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True

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Ultimately though the real-world reason is time and resources.

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Yeah

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Yep

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Lke why Scarab is smaller than it should be

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Always will be, remember every covenant race was to be flood infectable. Time prevented that

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:41 PM

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That shouldn;t be done since hunters cant be

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:42 PM

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That was added as lore because of time

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That's my point

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:42 PM

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In halo wars we saw infected jackals and grunts

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:42 PM

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It was?

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I thought hunters not being infectable was prior to HW

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:42 PM

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I think they cant be converted but they can still be used as biomass

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:42 PM

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^ yep

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Yes bungie originally wanted all the covenant to be infected by the flood. Time constraints prevented that is so they added the Lore as to why some weren't

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:43 PM

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I see

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Well hunter matter can still be convertered to flood biomass after death anyway

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via unknown means

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Heck we see the concept art for halo ce flood grunts

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:43 PM

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The hunters’ multiorganismal construction makes them unsuitable to be combat forms, but they can be turned into flood mass like everything else

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:44 PM

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So they can be carriers?

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:44 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:44 PM

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I would say only in the sense that their biomass can be added to a Carrier form

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Maybe they just become the gunk on the walls

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Yes cos that needs to be a thing... ughhh shudders

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:44 PM

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That too

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You think that's bad KH? Don't forget the cut h3 transport form

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:45 PM

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the flying ones?

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:45 PM

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No

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:46 PM

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u were typing before that ?

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:46 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Flood_transport_form

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Now im imagining a form that can fly or float like a ballon and release infectors and spores upon popping

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:47 PM

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hehe

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:47 PM

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That was the....idk if the word is censored

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:47 PM

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did seargent forge actually get in a fight with spartan jerome

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Yes

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Sort of

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:48 PM

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"Fight"

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:48 PM

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says in halopedia that there was a broken chair

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Well that image and description is disgusting

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:48 PM

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a seal malfunction on a bulk head

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etc

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but still

hasty locust Mar 11, 2020, 3:48 PM

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It was douglas

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:49 PM

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No wait, it was a fight

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Yea, it will eat living beings and turn them into flood pods

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:49 PM

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im looking at halopedia

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:49 PM

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@hasty locust The Timeline say Douglas but it means Jerome

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:49 PM

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halopedia is reliable right?

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:49 PM

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yes

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:49 PM

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hmm

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:49 PM

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mostly

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its the most accurate archive we have

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Sergeant Forge confronts SPARTAN Douglas-042 over his recommendation to destroy the Covenant ship carrying Professor Anders

Jerome was the one who suggested destroying the ship, not Douglas

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:50 PM

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just need to know how forge held against a spartan

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:50 PM

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he's implied to be a spartan 1

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:50 PM

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It's more likely Jerome didn't try to fight back

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:50 PM

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in a book

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Also yeah he probably didnt fight back - Jerome i mean

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:50 PM

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@jolly furnace Forge's father was implied to be a Spartan-1, not Forge himself

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:50 PM

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but those augmentations the spartan 1's got didn't actually make them stronger did they

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Dont think he did, Jerome likely held back. Like a child trying to fight an adult

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Ah sorry

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:51 PM

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at least in forge's final moments

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Forge might be a Spartan-1.1, but there are a lot of question surrounding that that aren't easily answered

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:51 PM

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But isnt it said somewhere that children of S-1s may have gotten some enhancements from them

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:51 PM

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he ate with jerome everytime in the mess hall

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that's nice c:

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:51 PM

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I mean Jerome would have murdered him if he really wanted to

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Spartan-1 augmentations did enhance the canddiates, just not the degree later generations would receive

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Would this make his daughter a s1.2?

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Uh.... i dont know No info on such a possibility

lunar condor Mar 11, 2020, 3:52 PM

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dont think even being a spartan 1 would get you anywhere near actually beating a spartan 2+ in a 1v1 fistfight

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:52 PM

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@jolly furnace It's unclear whether the Spartan-1.1 (children of Spartan-1s) got their enhancements genetically or because of augmentations

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:52 PM

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i actually might not be sure on that

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maybe genes...dominant and recessive traits....

lunar condor Mar 11, 2020, 3:53 PM

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I wonder if any Spartan 2s will end up having children sometime

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probably not

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:53 PM

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A couple have

lunar condor Mar 11, 2020, 3:53 PM

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waaat

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:53 PM

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I don't think enhancements would be passed genetically since they weren't apart of the Spartan-1s original genetics

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Randall-037 (later Randall Aiken) had a daughter

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Maria-062 is confirmed to be a mother

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And to our knowledge, Randall's daughter did not show visible signs of augmentation.

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Or at least some augments wouldn't be in cases of bone hardening

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if 2;s were to have kids

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Well. We don’t know much about her daughter.

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:55 PM

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and even then i doubt it would be to the extent of the 2;s

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Surgical augmentations would not be passed down hereditarily

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Yep

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 3:55 PM

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that

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:56 PM

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The weird thing is that Spartans are said to be genetically enhanced, but none of their augmentations are genetic in nature.

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:56 PM

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The most likely chance as passing down changes would be epigenetic alterations induced by gene therapy or drugs

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:56 PM

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The one exception is the telomere lengthening Spartan-IVs receive

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:57 PM

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(Which leads to cancer in most creatures)

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:57 PM

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if spartan II's actually had a baby

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ONI would immediately take it away for research

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:57 PM

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They wouldn't, and haven't

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Maria-062 is a mother (though ONI might be observing her for all we know) and ONI didn't try to take Randall's daughter

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:58 PM

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im talking about a baby from a II that still has augmentations

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Randall had his augments when he fathered his daughter

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:58 PM

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^^^

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:58 PM

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He didn’t lose his augments until after

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:58 PM

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wait really?

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Yep

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Really.

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:58 PM

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huh

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Daugher was born in 2545, he was found by ONI in 2546, his augmentations removed after that

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:59 PM

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i thought he underwent procedure to remove them and then he had the daughter

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 3:59 PM

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He made a deal with ONI to give back as much of the augments as he could, in exchange for them leaving him and his family alone

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 3:59 PM

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what about in the case for female spartans

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have children would be more complicated

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I don't see why

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Nothing was done to the Spartans that would complicate having kids

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 4:00 PM

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hmm

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I still find it a bit odd they can remove the augments

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 4:00 PM

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i don't think i've seen enough one this

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i should find more later

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Not all of them

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Still find it odd

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:00 PM

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They probably removed the bone grafts and reversed the retinal thing

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 4:01 PM

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anyways

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there isn't time to make babies for most spartans

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as far as i know

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Uh. Only very view would consider that.

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Wouldnt removin bone grafts require surgery and be insanely painful?

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 4:02 PM

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wait

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hold on

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:02 PM

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The Spartans who have wanted families were not in active service when they decided to start them

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Perhaps.

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 4:02 PM

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how did we go from sg forge having a fight with a spartan --> spartans having babies

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Oh I’m sure Randall felt much pain when going through the reversal procedures

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 4:02 PM

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ye

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Yes and don’t bypass

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Ok then.

half apex Mar 11, 2020, 4:03 PM

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i heard the procedure is to be very very stressful

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 4:03 PM

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No it’s only a possible side effect of procedure.

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Basically their drives were suprressed but they can have kids

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 4:03 PM

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No read what I just wrote.

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:03 PM

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I don't know why they didn't just sterilize the Spartans actually,

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Oh.

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I see

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Because that wasn’t the purpose of making them

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:04 PM

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True

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Halsey wanted more than a single generation of new soldiers

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She wanted to advance humans to a new stage of evolution

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Wouldn't nessecarily happen via natural means if she means augments being passed on

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Gene therapy.

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:05 PM

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She never said it would be natural

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Best to do that would be to artifically enhance each generation after birth

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Which is what u just said actuallly

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Kinda like Forerunners did

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Yeah

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Humans have arguably stopped evolving due to technology

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 4:06 PM

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What do you mean by that

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Yeah our brains have done all the evolving it will do it seems

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Natural selection doesn’t really affect humans when we can change the environment

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Technology has removed many hardships forcing adaptation for humans

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Deficiencies that could lead to an organism’s death in the wild can be fixed in humans with technology

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And they can pass that on to their offspring

limpid meadow Mar 11, 2020, 4:07 PM

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That just changes the selective pressures, it doesn't remove them

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Like, I’m so near sighted that I’d probably be dead in caveman times

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But thanks to glasses, I’m alive and can pass on my bad eyes to my children

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Well. Even without the threat of death. There aren’t still ways things can change.

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But probably not as fast.

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:09 PM

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A lot of the benefits to lifespan and healthspan humans have seen in the past few generations aren’t due to genetics, but rather better knowledge and tech

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:11 PM

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True

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 4:11 PM

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A trait can still be passed down and start to dominate after a while still. But there wouldn’t be that selective pressure.

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 4:11 PM

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@limpid meadow vid when

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Vid wen

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:11 PM

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When you look at how we’ve eradicated certain diseases, it wasn’t due to innate immunity/resistance that was passed on, it was because we used our smarts to combat the spread and/made a cure

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There are very few humans with a genetic marker that associated with resistance to Black Plague, and yet Black Plague has been gone for centuries

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As a species, we don’t need to be born with genetic advantages to survive, so anything that might be considered an advantage doesn’t propagate to change the species

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 4:14 PM

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IAN

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:14 PM

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It would be interesting to see how we’d be different as a species if we didn’t have technological advancements as we did

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:14 PM

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We'd still be in the pre-industrial age

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Likely still early 1700s

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Or 1800s

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I mean how would we be different physically

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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There’s microbial biomes that do get transmitted though.

versed helm Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I was so hype to watch Ian’s take on this Shadow of Reach news, and there’s still nothing :(

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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If we didn’t invent tools and such to make work easier, would we all be stronger?

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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We might be physically fitter and stronger

fair hazel Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Calm down web

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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but that's it

terse lava Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Well how far back are you wanting to go

humble yacht Mar 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Back to the origin of homosapiens

jolly furnace Mar 11, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Witohut tool buidling or fire we're goi're going nowhere