#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 310

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 1:46 AM

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They were Chava, not Chavam

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Is Fal's last name truly Chavam?

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Fal 'Chavamee yes

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 1:48 AM

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I mean, if his last name is Chava, the military suffix wouldn't make sense as Chavaee. It'd have to add another letter to make it flow better.

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 1:49 AM

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We have not seen that as a problem before, it has always been just the "ee" added to the end of a name

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They certainly sound similar, but they do not appear to be from the Chavam bloodline any more then Ado 'Mortumee would be from Ardo 'Moretumee's

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Nah, Broken Circle has this:
Everyone aboard, except perhaps the Huragok, was bereft of their old ranks and titles. Indeed, D’ero was now ‘S’bud, not ‘S’budmee, for he relieved himself of the honorific suffix now that he had abandoned the Covenant.

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He got rid of -mee.

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 2:00 AM

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Now that is interesting, I admit I overlooked the "m" missing when reading that book

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Then again had I noticed it, would assume a typo

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Well if that is the case, why were they allowed to live?

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Perhaps...they are Haka 'Chavamee's grandchildren?

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Or greatgrandchildren. Some *children

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 2:02 AM

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That seems plausible

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 2:06 AM

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Agreed, also was it ever said that the army fal faced were just Covenant? It could have been the rest of his clansmen attempting to save themselves the fate that awaited them otherwise. If that was the case, perhaps they saved their bloodline

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 2:06 AM

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Seems possible

fair hazel Mar 5, 2020, 3:04 AM

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i believe grim brother one talked about chava and chavam being different

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 3:05 AM

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This?
https://twitter.com/GrimBrotherOne/status/1159900837222604800

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It doesn't seem like he was too sure himself.

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And he later said this.
https://twitter.com/GrimBrotherOne/status/1159913195470934016

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Yeah

tame kettle Mar 5, 2020, 3:42 AM

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How about some more lore about the Huragok.

fair hazel Mar 5, 2020, 3:53 AM

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it could be, but could not be

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 4:27 AM

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@scarlet hinge except where Bungie stats were even more wonky than whatever came from the Encyclopedia

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It doesn’t matter the context either way, there’s no chance that the M12 is 6.1 freaking meters in length

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At least, not the ones we have seen in the games

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 4:53 AM

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so the Timeless One is truly dead, correct?

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or is it possible that some swirling pool of muck buried and trapped under high charity contains the last remnant's of the Gravemind's countless memories?

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Hope he ain't hope he viben down in the control room

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He’s Timeless, so no

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Lol

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Well the Gravemind we see in Halo 2 and 3 are supposedly the same being as the same that the Primordial became

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But the original body was destroyed

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Yeah, he mind-transferred

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:04 AM

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So that means that the omnicient being that the Gravemind is is not a specimen itself
But a higher form of thought that swirls through space waiting for it's next body to form

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So if a proto gravemind ever successfully transforms again
He'll be back

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Pretty much

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Could you imagine if the banished failed to control the outbreak?

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He appears and just murders everyone on the ark?
That'd be insane

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I can see why Mendicant joined him

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It's literally the highest form of corporeal existence

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Well, if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em

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Or whatever the phrase is

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:08 AM

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But where does the intelligence of the Gravemind go when it doesn't have a body?
It has to be kept; it can't just... exist outside of material existence and then be restored and transferred to the new body
It has to come from somewhere

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:08 AM

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What if those Brutes in that one mission in Halo Wars were the Banished and that's how Atriox knows of the danger of the Flood?

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Halo Wars was long before the Banished were formed

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:15 AM

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@novel plankit was a precursor, it's mind would easily exist outside of the universe @sudden owl the brute commander had no relation with the Banished, and was named Thrallslayer

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:16 AM

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No not him, in mission wear you first encounter the flood, you run into a group of Brutes and only Brutes

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Yes..?

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Kinda weird how they were the only Covenant there

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Besides I could see a cool retcon to say they were early Banished

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Nope

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:18 AM

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It wasnt weird at all. Ripa, the arbiter in halo wars, commanded thrallslayer and his brutes to hold the outside of the shield world, while the sangheili had the honor of holding the relic rich interior

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Ah I see

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I know Thrallslayer was apparently around during Halo 2 right?

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 5:19 AM

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No?

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Mhm, the only relation that the original halo wars has with the banished was that a young Atriox knew of Ripa and his aggresive nature

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And no, he was not

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:20 AM

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I swear he was in a terminal

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Nope

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That one was never confirmed as thrallslayer

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Although 343 could say it was, we simply have no proof at this time

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:23 AM

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It probably is as we never really see another Brutes with that armor as well as the fact that he didn't die

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Perhaps

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:24 AM

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I love how the brutes basically peace out of the games

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:24 AM

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They are in halo wars 2

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:25 AM

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I ment fps halo

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Not the rts

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:25 AM

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I can't see them (The Banished) not being in Halo Infinite

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Yea i mean you cant have an amazing intro to a new epic faction in halo wars 2 and not elaborate on them in the fps area

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Could be I guess, they were not all on the ark

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Yea and they do have more ships

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Well now that the Storm Covenant is all but dead, surley the Banished will replace them as the new main Covenant style villains

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Or a Created style covenant

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Maybe

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But I'd rather get Banished and their vehicles in a fps

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Wouldn't mind

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:31 AM

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Or some how repair the capital ship

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:31 AM

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I don't think that things getting back up

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Personally wouldn't mind finally seeing some small covenant infantry transport

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Locust would be great

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Yea

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:34 AM

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We have the hornet, and the falcon, but no covenant equivalent

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Hmm we might finally get dropships in mp

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Or scarebs

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:35 AM

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shrug come to think of it, do we know if any small covenant air transports

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:35 AM

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The Covenant didn't really use light air support other than Banshees

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Those things are amazing

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Except maybe Vampires...

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Those were anti air air

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Or put anti gravity things to make scarebs fly but with only that big gun on top to support troops

dusty pilot Mar 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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anti air air is deadly.

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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@versed helm so the Kraken?

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:39 AM

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More a lich

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:39 AM

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I forgot about those

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:40 AM

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No like the body of the scareb no legs and the one plasma cannon

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Yeah a Lich

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Yes, a lich

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Ok

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Stolt might be the best Halo character ever made

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Dont forget virgil

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Nah that title belongs to yayap

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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He is floatyboi

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Nah Stolt is a legend

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YapYap is amazing and somehow canon but Stolt... What a absolute beast

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Why is yapyap good?

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Not really fond of him

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Rtas vadum is cool

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:46 AM

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YapYap managed to not just defy Atriox and the Banished, but successfully wage a rebellion against them without losing

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:47 AM

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wait how is yayap canon??

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:47 AM

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He is mentioned

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Yayap is from The Flood

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Yayap has has always been canon

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:47 AM

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No not Yayap, YapYap

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THE DESTROYER

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:48 AM

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I forgot who stolt is

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Stolt is a super grunt basically

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:48 AM

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As for yapyap, pretty sure he is canon...but his actions...not so much

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Ok

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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During the War, Stolt fought and won against a Spartan

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Rtas vadum is cool
He's in HW2???

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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No he wasnt

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What makes you think that

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Yayap is from The Flood
wait what
Im so lost

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Why did you think he was?

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Also, Yayap and Yapyap are two different characters

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Yes

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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oh ok
cus yall were talking bout HW
nevermind lol

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Yes

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Different spelling

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Also, Yayap and Yapyap are two different characters
oop my b

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but someone was saying yapyap is canon?

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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All good, you will only be branded by the mark of lore shame

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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We know Yapyap is canon but his actions are unclear

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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@novel plankit was a precursor, it's mind would easily exist outside of the universe
how so?

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Arbiter, rtas vadum and stolt all good bois

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Yes, we know there is an unggoy named yapyap, that's it

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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We know Yapyap is canon but his actions are unclear
i couldnt imagine this
how tf is he canon

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wait lets make a distinction

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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They directly said he was

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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im talking HW2 commander

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Yes

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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@novel plankbecause it's a precursor, that's it

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:53 AM

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@novel plankbecause it's a precursor, that's it
oh, so now i have to go back and read up on my precursor biology?
circles
circles

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 5:53 AM

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As in, a grunt with his name exists, but the true extent of his...activities is unknown. And I imagine he isn't actually as wacky

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:53 AM

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They said he was canon but some of his units/abilities were not

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Grunt mines for example are not canon

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 5:53 AM

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So a grunt found the remains of a prophet and bore their gear?

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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Im always confused

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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Yapyap apparently found some sort of Forerunner artifact that gave him the power to start a rebellion

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Called the Throne of Woe

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Although it's only mentioned very briefly

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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If it truly existed, likly some forerunner lifeworker cloning device

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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After discovering the Throne of Woe, Yapyap rebelled against the Banished in favor of locating the fabled Golden Methane Hydrate Mines of Sabator, hidden somewhere on the Ark. Throughout his rebellion, the Throne of Woe continued to communicate with him, telling Yapyap that the Ark belonged to the Unggoy. Yapyap managed to lose more Unggoy in battle than were even carried to the Ark in the first place. The Throne of Woe would somehow produce Unggoy reinforcements for Yapyap after he argued with and kicked the Throne.
Doesn't sound like the throne or any of that should be taken seriously

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Apparently it talks to Yapyap

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I've heard a theory that it is actually Mendicant

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Trying to tip the scale of power on the Ark

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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😐

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Mendicant would never tolerate that....

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I didn't say it was a good theory

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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A..a theory usually has some form of proof to it, what was theirs?

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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It's called the Throne of Woe and Woe means deep sorrow which Mendicant has

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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But..he never once took the form of something chair like

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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More likely it's just some sort of cloning device

tight roost Mar 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Heyo

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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rubs head ugh

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Greetings

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Imagine a Yap Yap Infinite cameo

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 6:01 AM

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The fact of the matter is that there are technically three factions on the Ark currently

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UNSC, Banished, and Yapyaps Rebellion...

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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You forgot the sentinels and flood

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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I figured the sentinls were with Anders, and the flood were contained

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But I see your point

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Most sentinls would stay to protect the ark it is the place they use as "home"

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 6:20 AM

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UNSC, Banished, and Yapyaps Rebellion...
Yeah no until you can produce better evidence on the yapyap leader, he isnt a faction imo
Sentinels are indeed a faction on the ark, as is the flood (who is supposedly silenced (yes i still dont believe they properly contained it or that the flodd wont escape again))

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If the Throne of Woe is really legitimate (which i dont think it is or should be) not every forerunner AI has to be darned Mendicant
AIs can take many shapes and forms; maybe even a prehistoric unggoy

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Another thought was brought to my head by this childish folly
It had never occured to me that the headpieces the san shyyum wear are forerunner in origin

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But i suppose they very well could be

carmine sleet Mar 5, 2020, 7:12 AM

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It's unlikely that the crowns worn by the Hierarchs are Forerunner in origin

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 7:22 AM

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They could be ancient San’Shyuum

carmine sleet Mar 5, 2020, 7:30 AM

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That's much more likely

shell marsh Mar 5, 2020, 8:08 AM

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Could be inspired by forerunner technology

sudden owl Mar 5, 2020, 9:36 AM

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In terms of the Ark, yes his group is as it is not affiliated with the UNSC or the Banished.
And yes in the video with the devs introducing Yapyap they state that although alot of the content shown isn't canon such as his more absurd abilities and units, he is. Even if he never appears as a important part of the story, he has made a mark.

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We can't forget that Halo has always had goofy things in its lore it's not always 100% serious

jolly furnace Mar 5, 2020, 11:42 AM

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I assumed the Throne of Woe was just goofy joking stuff and not actually canon

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Or its a Forerunner AI manipulating him and using cloning tech to create more Unggoy.

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Do find it funny that the banished on the ark almost seem to have more troops then were.possiblento bring on an assault carrier

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Same can be said for the SoF

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CASs can bring 40,000 troops tho so I'm not sure.

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That's like

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The entire Australian army

novel plank Mar 5, 2020, 3:14 PM

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In terms of the Ark, yes his group is as it is not affiliated with the UNSC or the Banished.
And yes in the video with the devs introducing Yapyap they state that although alot of the content shown isn't canon such as his more absurd abilities and units, he is. Even if he never appears as a important part of the story, he has made a mark.
Just cus he 'exists' that doesn't mean anything

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maybe he exists but everything about him is a lie; and he's just a legend or myth among unggoy soldiers

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Pretty sure canon he is simply an unggoy in the banished army. That's it

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his entire rebellion and multiplayer could be him telling a tale to other unggoy in the Banished

stoic hamlet Mar 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Well, gameplay doesn’t equal canon. What we’d more likely see from the SoF and Banished are small scale skirmishes and stuff, not big battles. Get that colossus thing out of here, a Spartan would never use that.

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They don’t have the men for the big fights the game depicts.

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I don't know that the fights are all that big, honestly

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While you're absolutely right that gameplay =/= canon, the fights never seemed all that big or too resource demanding for to SoF, at least not to me.

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The Colossus is canon to our knowledge, however.

stoic hamlet Mar 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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They weren’t resource intensive no, but you wouldn’t see commanders being so liberal with troops, in the sense that you’d likely have very ad-hoc formations and the like to account for losses taken in Harvest/Arcadia/Shield World.

You wouldn’t likely have mass deployments of ODST’s, or rushes of warthogs and tanks.

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Etc

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 5:02 PM

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In that sense I agree

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I guess I wasn't sure exactly what you meant by "scale"

stoic hamlet Mar 5, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Yeah, I could have worded it better.

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 5:03 PM

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That's what discussions are for 🙂

stoic hamlet Mar 5, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Though all the larger units likely wouldn’t see much action from either side, IMO.

I could see a case for “don’t poke the hornet’s nest” being a mentality.

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Maybe not as liberally, as you say, but they'd be there.

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The Colossus, for example, is vital to the story for SPEARBREAKER

mortal aurora Mar 5, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Anyone else realizes that the DMR was here before the BR and the DMR is better than the BR in every way...why would the UNSC still use the BR and not the DMR more since the DMR is better than the BR

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Better in what way?

obsidian thistle Mar 5, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Here is stuff to look as canon for the Wars series.

Scripted stuff.
Default units.
Minimum needed units.
Remnants of units destroyed previously. (This can be chalked to other factors and artistic licence)

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I'd of also said stuff shown in the Halo Wars Launch site. But unless you have a perfect memory of a long dead site you have no proof of the rare level based stuff.

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1 to 4 logic stops stuff like you building 99 Scorpions them getting destroyed. Then building 99 more being canon. XD

mortal aurora Mar 5, 2020, 5:30 PM

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DMR does more damage than the BR, has longer range, less recoil, and more accurate

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 5:31 PM

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If you're basing that on gameplay, I have to point out that gameplay =/= canon

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While the Reach DMR's range is only listed as "Long", the H4/5 M395 DMR has an effective range of 950 meters. The BR55 and BR55HB have effective ranges of 900 meters, and the BR85 has an effective range of 950 meters.

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As far as accuracy, the BR has a single-shot mode and it can be equipped with more powerful scopes if desired.

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But even if what you said were true in-canon, there could be any number of reasons the Marine Corps chose the BR over the DMR, or why the Army continued to use the DMR.

mortal aurora Mar 5, 2020, 5:42 PM

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True

brittle ruin Mar 5, 2020, 5:43 PM

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DMR also requires more skill and training to use than the BR

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not everyone is a spartan

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 5:48 PM

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What makes you think it takes more skill?

brittle ruin Mar 5, 2020, 5:51 PM

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there's literally "designated marksman" in its name

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 5:54 PM

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And?

obsidian thistle Mar 5, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Names sometimes lose meaning as time goes on?

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Bungie was fairly liberal with it's use of weapon designations

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There are fairly significant difference between a BR and a DMR, but in Halo they fill virtually the same role in lore.

obsidian thistle Mar 5, 2020, 6:12 PM

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One could even say the AR can fill the same role as the BR. ;)

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But we never get to use "that" function in the games.

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 6:18 PM

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And vice versa, as I do believe the BR has a full-auto mode

stoic hamlet Mar 5, 2020, 6:24 PM

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You don’t even need to look at Halo. Look at real life. A carbine isn’t at all what it used to be. They same can be said for a Battle Rifle.

echo sierra Mar 5, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Short summary of whatever the hell this was; the battle rifle is a very forgiving ranged weapon, and the DMR is the sniper rifle that wasn’t

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Not quite, no

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The BR and DMR are very similar in role and function, despite how they behave in-game

echo sierra Mar 5, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I meant in the game, sorry. In reality, the two are very similar.

humble yacht Mar 5, 2020, 7:20 PM

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When going out drinking, always make sure your group has a Designated Marksman

carmine sleet Mar 5, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Do they double up as the designated drive too or is that someone else?

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 7:21 PM

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lol

humble yacht Mar 5, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Never drink and snipe

kind wagon Mar 5, 2020, 8:19 PM

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the only halo worse than halo 5 was halo by beyonce

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Lmao

deep pewter Mar 5, 2020, 8:19 PM

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That’s a weird way to spell Reach

unique rune Mar 5, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Sure doesn’t sound lore-related to me...

carmine sleet Mar 5, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Why do people love to do the whole "Worst Halo is this Halo" thing?

unique rune Mar 5, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Inflammatory comments generate more buzz than civil ones.

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 8:22 PM

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You think any of the older halos were actually used in. Battle against the flood before being wiped out?

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Installation 07 is the last remaining ring of the original Array, it it was used in that regard.

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Otherwise several of the original rings were used during the battle for the Capital, and Omega Halo was used against a Flood/Star Road invasion on the Greater Ark

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Yes I am aware of those, I mean in between the capital battle and the greater ark battle

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Only 1 if I recall was destroyed at the capital, and only 1 left by the greater ark

limpid meadow Mar 5, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Most were destroyed at the capital. Following that battle, only 2 remained: Omega Halo, and the ring that became Installation 07

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Hm, I thought more survived the capital battle. Alright then

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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So,what happens after the Created is defeated,who becomes the next big bad?

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Me

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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How hard would it be to add Precursors into the games?

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Very.

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Like how can they be added gameplay wise?

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Without making them insanely OP

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Any thoughts?

feral perch Mar 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Not possible

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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True

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What about just references or mentions?

carmine sleet Mar 5, 2020, 9:58 PM

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For a single Precursor to be added into the game, they'd need to make sure that everyone had something that could stand up to them, which is basically make everyone a god

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Which honestly, I don't think would fit with Halo at all

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 10:11 PM

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I think they should be left to the expanded universe, it may get confusing fast

carmine sleet Mar 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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For a new threat post-Infinite, we need something new entirely, nothing about them from previous lore, just brand new, completely different to what we know

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 10:39 PM

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A hostile race from another galaxy?

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 10:39 PM

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But what though? Halo has been covering all the typical tropes pretty much. Alliance of alien races? Check, lifeform that threatens all life? Check, AI revolt? Check, ancient precursor lifeforms? Double-check.

feral perch Mar 5, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Clones

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 10:43 PM

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You know, with it being said there were trilliins of warrior servants who died even before the flood war ended, I sometimes wonder if that has been done too

thorn linden Mar 5, 2020, 10:44 PM

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What if we were to re-spark into another human civil war?

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For next game

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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What? Fighting the rebels?

thorn linden Mar 5, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Eh, why not. A proper civil war campaign may be interesting. Just spitballing ideas 😛

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Or maybe attack Venezia,can't let that planet go unchecked

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Eh fighting humans seems...dull

thorn linden Mar 5, 2020, 10:55 PM

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With a good enough plot line and story telling could be enjoyable tbh

carmine sleet Mar 5, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Attacking Venezia isn't something they can do with the reason "It can't go unchecked". You need a much better reason. Plus, there's also benefits to leaving the planet how it is

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Also, clones are already a thing in Halo thanks to the flash clones. Doubt we'll be seeing an enemy faction that's a clone army in Halo anyway since it would just be compared to Star Wars constantly @feral perch

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Indeed

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 11:38 PM

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You know, I wonder if the hierarchs were just able to override the high council when making the rank of arbiter from general to shame. Wouldn't the sangheili high councilors protest such a thing?

stoic hamlet Mar 5, 2020, 11:40 PM

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I really don’t want Halo to fall into the trap of “and this week on world ending events.....”

We had nearly a human civil war, then 27 years of alien genocide, then not even a half decade later Forerunner macguffin attack Earth and just barely be repelled, then only three years later an AI rebellion out of left field that’s completely changed the entire power structure.

Like, no. Please, let’s actually have room to breath, y’know?

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 11:43 PM

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What would you suggest Eternal?

stoic hamlet Mar 5, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Actually exploring the universe with smaller scale stories. We don’t need ”WORLD ENDING THREAT #242425” to tell a compelling narrative.

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Agreed.

stoic hamlet Mar 5, 2020, 11:48 PM

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If you had world ending threat upon world ending threat there’s no time to breath, no time to explore characters or factions or relationships, etc

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 11:48 PM

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I would like that

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Exploring would be a much nice change of pace

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Though there would need to be enemies still

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Personally I would like a shift away from chief by that time. Have a game focused on Thel, Rtas, even Rion's happy go lucky crew

stable edge Mar 5, 2020, 11:56 PM

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once master chief isn't the focus I wouldn't want to play anyone who's been mentioned before, I would want a squad or a new character who's story and reputation is fresh, kind of like noble six but with more of a voice and something you can build yourself, exploring the galaxy and meeting other characters that are in the expanded universe and possibly doing missions with them

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Perpahs duel story of being either human or covenent

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Would work for expanding the galaxy easier

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Quite a bit of an odd question. Have seen people for years talk of humanity joining the covenant through whatever reasons. On this topic I am curious of one thing I have not seen asked before. What would humanity want from the covenant for joining?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Not being terminated?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Ok let's say the covenant offers peace here, during the battle of reach but before it falls

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 2:31 AM

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during the battle of reach
That would be after 25 years of steady extinction. Not dying would be exactly what they want, don'tcha think?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Besides the obvious

midnight carbon Mar 6, 2020, 3:05 AM

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So I habe a noob lore question, since I don't know too much about it

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Is the arbiter with or against the UNSC? Cuz I swear I saw him being friendly with humans before, but I've also seen him being hostile towards humans

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 3:07 AM

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He is allied with the UNSC

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but I've also seen him being hostile towards humans
Which humans?

midnight carbon Mar 6, 2020, 3:08 AM

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I don't remember it's been way too long

sterile sphinx Mar 6, 2020, 3:29 AM

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He doesn't trust oni but other than that I dont think he is against any humans

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Think he is the only one too who wishes to be friendly to humans

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Only faction leader, you mean?

midnight carbon Mar 6, 2020, 5:08 AM

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but if he's friendly, why are the elites hostile?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Members of a species aren't all culturally homogeneous.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Yea Ostral

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Well, Keepers of the One Freedom are also human-friendly. 😉

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And I imagine a fair amount of smaller, less-notable factions that have Sangheili in them are also fine with humans.

midnight carbon Mar 6, 2020, 5:11 AM

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is there more canon stuff outside of the 7 games?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Only known one though that leaves humans be. Do we know if any actually joined the keepers?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 5:11 AM

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There's also books, comics, and animations

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Do we know if any actually joined the keepers?
Yes. It's explicitly stated humans are in the Keepers

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Yea, monstrous amounts of lore outside just the games, they halopedia if you want an easy way to it

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Ah, always thought that was more a, "humans can join us" not that any truly had outside of rumors

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Based in the Venezian capital of New Tyne, the Keepers welcomed believers of all species—even humans, as long as they swore opposition to the “heretic tyranny” of the Unified Earth Government.

midnight carbon Mar 6, 2020, 5:14 AM

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there are so many vehicles in this universe I don't know how someone can remember all of them

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I mean the names

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for example how many covenant dropships are there

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:15 AM

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phantom, spirit, 3 prong spirit, lich,

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Off the top of my head

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And the phantoms come in a nice variety too

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@gilded masoninteresting, but were they joining just for freeing the planet?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Gao? Based on the context, no.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:23 AM

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So they were joining for the great journey then

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 5:24 AM

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I don't think the Keepers believe in the Great Journey. Luro's stinky, dumb, smelly faction does, though.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Was quite certain the Keepers did too 🤔 also why the Luro hate

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Was quite certain the Keepers did too
Did a quick word search and whoops, you're right:
Both groups had sworn devotion to the Keepers of the One Freedom, but the humans were slow to tithe, and the Kig-Yar’s corvine temperament often ran more toward looting infidel vessels than spreading the Truth of the Great Journey.

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also why the Luro hate
He was mean to Thel 'Lodamee

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Touche on the last, also caused Thel to not finish off the chief. As for the first..thought so but....feels so odd

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Yeah.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Just doesnt feel right

sly condor Mar 6, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Right?

midnight carbon Mar 6, 2020, 6:39 AM

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johnny sins plays halo?

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Oh he's here

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 10:26 AM

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So how long does it take to compose humans? Is the composer the only thing that composes them?

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Also can humans only be composed alive or dead? Also what can stop someone being composed?

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 1:08 PM

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Composition takes mere seconds.

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You need to be alive I think.

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Forerunner mutation to higher form can prevent composition by a single Composer.

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Also Master Chief had a geas within him containing an immunity to the Composer.

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More humans may have the same immunity since geas are passed down through generations

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But this immunity must be unlocked.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Was there ever a reason stated that 343 didnt communicate with Thel's fleet properly, or rather then talk to a covenant ai, talk directly to the commander?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 2:56 PM

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because they were filthy meddlers?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Even when the flood ran loose?

brittle ruin Mar 6, 2020, 3:03 PM

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what did GS have to tell them after the flood got lose, he was too busy running around the library with MC and then trying to get the index back

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:03 PM

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I suggest HiddenXperia for good lore content

brittle ruin Mar 6, 2020, 3:03 PM

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as for before, I assume it's probably some protocol shenanigans

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:05 PM

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When the flood were unleashed, spark immediately followed protocol and looked for a reclaimer. Why talk to non reclaimers at all?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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They were the ones with technology that had a better chance at controlling the outbreak

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Don’t talk about Oni

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Cause [REDACTED.]

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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...that was odd

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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When the flood were unleashed, spark immediately followed protocol and looked for a reclaimer. Why talk to non reclaimers at all?
The covies were attacking any and all nearby reclaimers
Im sure that would make spark worry

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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it’s just a warning

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so let’s talk about the ancient humans, before they were cave men

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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They were the ones with technology that had a better chance at controlling the outbreak
The Halo's systems require a reclaimer
There is no other race that can use the index

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Are there other galaxies outside of the halo universe?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Of course there are, trillions of them

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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But like are they ever explored

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Not yet

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:09 PM

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so let’s talk about the ancient humans, before they were cave men
Long before the flood outbreak they were also supposedly tier 1 just like the forerunners
San shyuum were as well

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Besides precursors doing it no

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:09 PM

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But like are they ever explored
Precursors transcended time and space so technically, yes

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Also, isn’t the UNSC Infinity the most powerful UNSC ship, or is there another one?

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

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But like are they ever explored
The ark is outside of the mily way, i believe

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Correct

vast wolf Mar 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Maybe the forerunners saw them

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Also, isn’t the UNSC Infinity the most powerful UNSC ship, or is there another one?
It's one of the biggest utilities

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There's also lore-tease rumors of certain ships being spotted and disappearing without a trace at the edge of controlled spaces, for nearly all societies

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Is there anything bigger than the infinity?
UNSC Wise, not covenant or Forerunner

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:11 PM

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No

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:11 PM

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No

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:12 PM

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There's also lore-tease rumors of certain ships being spotted and disappearing without a trace at the edge of controlled spaces, for nearly all societies
And also a theory that many precursors still exist; in other galaxies far beyond

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Has anyone heard the story of Private Wallace Jenkins?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Most people have

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Hard to miss

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Yes? What about it

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:13 PM

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It’s dark.

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Keyes had a worse experience imo

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:13 PM

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True.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Far darker with the lore on flood better known now. Jenkins never died

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:13 PM

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What do you think is the darkest thing that happened in the Halo Universe?

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From any faction.

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Far darker with the lore on flood better known now. Jenkins never died
Tf?
He did
By a grenade using assisted suicide

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Incorrect, his body did, his mind is now with the flood though forever

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Incorrect, his body did, his mind is now with the flood though forever
Phhht mkay

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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He also tried to throw himself of a cliff; when ever he got the chance.

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But then the flood took over, and he couldn’t

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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In this regard shakes fist at 343

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Keyes had a worse experience imo
Getting ripped apart by a proto is way more painful

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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what about the flood allying with us for a little bit in that H3 mission?

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I forgot what it was called

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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What about it

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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it had the hornets

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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the Covenant

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Yeah.

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Well what about it

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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They only allied with us, because the covenant were going to activate the Halo.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Yes?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Of course

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Pretty obvious

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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But think about it,

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The flood; one of the most deadliest things to ever live

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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?

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And?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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.....

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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ok I watched this one youtuber that talked about it

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Eww

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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🤦‍♂️

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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I don’t remember much

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Anyway, geez yall you other two are like sharks

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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lol

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Calm down lol

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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I’ll refer you to cartman

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Uh.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Well was curious on where he was going with it

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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What would happen if the flood were to invade humanity in today’s age?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Dead

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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We lose

vast wolf Mar 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Wed die

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Would they get a key mind?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Yes

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Eventually

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Well was curious on where he was going with it
Seemingly no where
He just was expressing he thought it was cool

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:20 PM

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yeah.

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^

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:20 PM

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shrug last sentence made it seem like he had a thought to finish

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But ok

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It was s good level

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:20 PM

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When you preface something with “think about it”, usually you follow that up with something thought provoking

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Mhm

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Ever since the gravemind's first appearance he has done nothing but make truces only to backstab concisely

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:23 PM

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I only recall the one truce, where were the others?

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:23 PM

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So pretty much; the flood will only ally with us if there’s a common threat?

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:23 PM

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As cool as it was to fight alongside the flood, it shouldnt be too surprising that the gravemind would make such choices if he needed to

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I only recall the one truce, where were the others?
Him sending out arbiter and 117 to find the index

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Well, chief was just a distraction for the big show

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Is that true?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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He only allied due to the threat of the rings about to fire yes

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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The flood only ally in dire circumstances basically

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Of course

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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I thought that was really cool

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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They are not against it; not honor bound

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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The fact we worked with those who our enemy

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Basically like

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Enemy of my enemy

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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H2 was better

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Dude, H2 was awesome

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Cus we played AS the enemy

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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We did.

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Also, wasn’t the Spirit of Fire in sleep or what ever it was; during the main halo games after Halo wars?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Yes

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:26 PM

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And halo wars 1 takes place during H3, right?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:26 PM

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No

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Or is it before

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Way before

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:26 PM

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No wait

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It’s like the beginning of the war I think

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Yes 5 years in

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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And halo wars 1 takes place during H3, right?
Lmao before even reach

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Yeah I forgot ^

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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First game chronologically

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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When does Halo wars 2 take place?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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2559

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Inbetwe H3-4?

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I think?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Nope

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Also did you know Halo 3: ODST technically takes place during H2,
Cause the one scene where the CSO enters hyperspace, if you look closely you can see a frigate with it.

novel plank Mar 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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5?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Post 5

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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At the beginning of the game

vast wolf Mar 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Odst is in new mombasa

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:29 PM

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It’s called halo 3 odst because it’s in the halo 3 engine

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:29 PM

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I’m pretty sure it takes place some where during H2.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:29 PM

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CSO? That was a CAS assault carrier. Far, far smaller then a CSO

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Oh

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Heck, I haven’t done lore stuff in a while

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:29 PM

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All good

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Does anyone remember what this is called

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Hang on

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Regret's carrier?

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:30 PM

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I can’t send images

vast wolf Mar 6, 2020, 3:30 PM

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I can

unique rune Mar 6, 2020, 3:30 PM

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that is correct

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Direct uploads are disabled

unique rune Mar 6, 2020, 3:31 PM

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you’d have to upload it to a hosting site and post a link

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:31 PM

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I was going to show some covenant ship

vast wolf Mar 6, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Describe it if you have to

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:31 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Covenant_destroyer

unique rune Mar 6, 2020, 3:31 PM

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“it’s big and it’s purple and it’s round and kinda glowy”

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:32 PM

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... it’s called a destroyer?

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:32 PM

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I forgot the name of it

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Proclimation's Tithe, a cpv class destroyer

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:33 PM

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You want to know what sucks?

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I had the Ghosts of Onyx book, but for some reason it didn’t interest me..

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Hm?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Ok

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Everyone has their own taste

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:33 PM

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I only got a quarter of halfway in

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Or I was half way in

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What was it about it again

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Going to onyx

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:34 PM

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..the book?

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Yea, and showing the covenant civil war

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Halopedia has a decent synopsis

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I don’t remember what Onyx is

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:34 PM

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A planet

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:34 PM

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It’s a shield world

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Oh yeah

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Anyone remember that UNSC Frigate that some how mixed with a covenant ship?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Gettysburg

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Was it Gettysburg?

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Ascendent Justice?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Gettysburg was the human one, other was the name of the covenant carrier it connected too

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Is there an image for what it looks like?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:39 PM

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No

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Just fan art

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Oh

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Most carriers share the same design

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Yea, best we have of the carrier was an outline of it in a CEA terminal

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Combat evolved anniversary?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Yes

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Ok.
Here’s a fun question:
What if operation first strike was a failure?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Looks no different then an assault carrier.

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Well earth would fall

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Truth would likly elevate the jiralhanae as a reward for capturing the human home world

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Mhm

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What if humanity won reach

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:43 PM

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They die

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:43 PM

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How?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Another fleet would have been sent to finish them off

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Oh

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 3:44 PM

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The covenant was massively vast

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Wasn’t the arbiter/ Thel ‘Vadame responsible for the reach invasion

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:44 PM

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The later stages of it, he commanded the fleet that ultimately glassed it

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Oh

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Ok UNSC wise.
What would happen if a normal citizen found out about ONI?
Would they be sent to Midnight Prison?

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Facility*

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Found out what?

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Normal citizens know the organization exists

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Do you get arrested for talking about the CIA?

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:48 PM

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For finding about tip top secret stuff

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:49 PM

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If that happened then they’d probably be detained, yes

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But that’s unlikely to happen

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 3:50 PM

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What would cause them to be sent to midnight facility

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:51 PM

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A variety of things

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But you have to know something valuable

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Otherwise there’s no point in keeping you alive

vast wolf Mar 6, 2020, 3:53 PM

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What's the midnight fscility

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Cause I'm stupid

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 3:54 PM

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ONI’s secret prison

vast wolf Mar 6, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Ok

stoic hamlet Mar 6, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Technically the public does know at least some top secret stuff. They just think it’s dumb rumours and conspiracy theories.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 4:30 PM

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What did i read about acient humans up the page?

brittle ruin Mar 6, 2020, 4:30 PM

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also, knowing something exists and knowing the specifics are two different things, for example IRL everyone knows the F-35 exists but a lot of the specifics are classified secret defense

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Someone wants info on ancient humans?

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Like what?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I think they’ve moved on

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Yea they were kinda jumping around on topics

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Ok then

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I mean alll you need to know about em is in their article on halopedia

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All else we can do is speculate

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Sadly

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I doubt we will ever learn much about them seeing as they are just a plot device

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2020, 4:38 PM

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You never know tbh. We are slowly getting more hints as time goes on.

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Current humanity even has one of their ships

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https://www.halopedia.org/ONI_XENO-MATERIALS_EXPLOITATION_REPORT_15Y1198

Halopedia

ONI XENO-MATERIALS EXPLOITATION REPORT 15Y1198

The ONI XENO-MATERIALS EXPLOITATION REPORT 15Y1198 was an artifact report based on one derelict ancient human vessel at Site Yankee-002-G3 discovered by the Office of Naval Intelligence. The Xeno-Materials Exploitation Group examined the artifact and assessed its tactical capa...

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Yeah but all we know of it is that it had weapons called fibril cutters and weapons that appear to be particle beam weapons

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:40 PM

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send me to oni

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Some think thats the "shattered starship" that HELLCAT was based off.

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:41 PM

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what’s hellcat

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2020, 4:41 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/HELLCAT-class_Mjolnir

Halopedia

HELLCAT-class Mjolnir

HELLCAT-class Mjolnir is a variant of the MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor [GEN2].

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That armor

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:42 PM

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ok I can see why

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how many people think that noble 6 is still alive

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Nah he be dead yo

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Its one of the most confirmed deaths in Halo fiction.

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Even more confirmed than Johnson lol

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Any number of people who think he’s alive is too many

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2020, 4:43 PM

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And we know Johnson died.

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Most who bring it up are just trolling so let’s not go down that path

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Then why do people say he’s alive then—

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Because trolls

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Memes

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Even the you tubers?

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Or misplaced hope.

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Because internet gonna internet

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YouTubers need those clicks

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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NoBlE 6 iS sTiLl AlIvE tHe EnErGy BlAdE MiSsEd

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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They’ll say anything

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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okay yeah true

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Trash Racoon, tell me, tell me, tell me you haven't been listening to Halo YouTubers on lore (besides Halo Canon)

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Some of the halo lore you tubers are mega cringe ngl

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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uhh

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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or me. I try to make good lore content.

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Regardless. He be dead.

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End of story

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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^

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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HaloFollower, Eckharts Ladder, and HiddenXperia

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Lets talk more fun stuff. 😄

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Yea, heresy getting heavier in here

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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We don’t need heresy.

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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just go with Halo Canon, and maybe Covenant Canon. Eckhart's Ladder is okay.

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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thinkingchief

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Covenant ((Modern)) Vs. Ancient Humanity

obsidian thistle Mar 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Well people have been talking robots recently. So that may be a fun topic.

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Who’d win

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Ancient humanity.

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Ancient humans pretty op imo

agile dragon Mar 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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^

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Yeah they were

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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No one wins. Everyone loses

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To time

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Didn’t the Ancient Humans, and Covenant not really care for each other?

agile dragon Mar 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Wasn't Ancient Humanity close in power to the Forerunners?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Unless your a precursor

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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As in they didn’t get into wars

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Ancient humanity and ancient covenant

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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The covenant wasnt even in existence

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Covenant didn’t exist in the time of ancient humanity

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Wait it was the different species,

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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The prophets were around and they tried teaming up with humanity to fight forerunners

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That ended badly for them

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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What were the prophets species called?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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San shyuum

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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San shyuum

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Ok, didn’t the ancient human-covenant war start because the ancient humans were trying to escape from the flood

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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...

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The covenant was not around

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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ok bruh

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oof

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I meant forerunner

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I type to fast ok

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Ok and yes

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Yes that’s why it started

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:51 PM

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and the forerunners thought they were trying to attack them.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Correct

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:52 PM

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And what I believed what caused the flood with the humans were them using something to feed their animals, right

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 4:52 PM

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They put precursor powder on these llama pet thingos which made cute adaptations

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New term: Precursor Powder

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Cute.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:54 PM

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The powder was used on the pheru yes, it made them more docile and look better. Over centuries though the powder began to mutate the DNA of the pets to eventually become the first flood

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:54 PM

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And the flood were also precursors correct?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:54 PM

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That spread to humans first due to them using said animsls as a food source too

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The powder was the remains of some precursors yes

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They had reduced themselves into that state to remake their bodies but over millions of years it became defective

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

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^the forerunner went to war with them because they discovered that they made humans the reclaimers, and not them right?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

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No

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Oh against the precursor, yes

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That and the precursors planned.on wiping out the forerunners

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Yeah

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Do you remember the movie Halo Legends?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 4:57 PM

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The animated anthology, yes most are familiar

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 4:57 PM

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What about it?

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Covenant vs Ancient humanity? The latter stomp hard

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modern halo are like insects to ancient halo

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Well chief stabbed Didact in the eye, so that’s something

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Yea I wouldn't rate the covenant so low, they could do damage but it would be an ironic reverse of the covenant vs modern humanity

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Though, ancient humanity had..what 1000 star systems?

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:09 PM

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If ancient humanity could handle the forerunners and flood for 1000 years with san shyuum help they will the covies

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the difference between tier 2 and tier 1 is too vast

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humanity had at least 20,000 worlds in 1000 systems

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So that means 100s of worlds could in far less the number of systems

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Ancient humanity at its height of power is stomping a height of their power covenant

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no ifs no buts

brittle ruin Mar 6, 2020, 5:13 PM

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I wonder if the covies accidentally ended up finding ancient human artifacts and integrating in their tech thinking it was forerunner

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that would be the height of irony

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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that would be

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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They had some devices that would alert them to Forerunner artifacts.

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Luminaries and such.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:14 PM

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heck be ironic if ancient humans were the creators of the sangheili

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and thats why the precursors chose them to bear the Mantle

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 5:15 PM

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:/

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Humans were detected as Forerunner artifacts I believe, so.. maybe ancient human tech might be mistakenly incorporated?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Ancient humans didn’t have geas

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The geas is what made the luminaries detect them

brittle ruin Mar 6, 2020, 5:16 PM

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or there could be ancient human tech lying around among forerunner sites and they wouldn't know the difference

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:16 PM

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the two tech bases were similar if not identical in areas

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:16 PM

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You're right. I wonder.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:16 PM

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but no a luminary wouldnt detect AH tech

fair hazel Mar 6, 2020, 5:17 PM

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People keep typing what I’m about to type

brittle ruin Mar 6, 2020, 5:17 PM

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no I mean they use the luminaries to know where to dig, basically

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but when they dig there, there also happens to be ancient human tech

fair hazel Mar 6, 2020, 5:17 PM

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That seems unlikely for most part

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Why would forerunners have buried ancient human tech near their own stuff?

brittle ruin Mar 6, 2020, 5:18 PM

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could be old battle sites from the war

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there would be stuff from both sides

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 5:18 PM

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I think the forerunners might have cleaned up such things

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:18 PM

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well there was Heian

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possibly an old site missed by forerunners

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or it wasnt and they just didnt do enugh of a job at it

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I mean they never intended humans to rise again

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so they probably figured not worth the time erasing everything

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Also I think a forerunner expert in the covenant would notice the design differences between AH tech and forerunner tech

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Yeah like an engineer

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covies i doubt would know the difference

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huragok would

brittle ruin Mar 6, 2020, 5:20 PM

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yeah the huragok would just go ahead and integrate it

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Be funnier if a san shyuum discovered its own races ancient tech

brittle ruin Mar 6, 2020, 5:20 PM

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they would notice the difference but would they care

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:20 PM

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and thinks its forerunner

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I think you’re reaching a little bit because you just like the idea. Realistically it probably never happened

brittle ruin Mar 6, 2020, 5:22 PM

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yeah it's just a thought experiment

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Aye coives likely just find forerunner tech

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Although they find Heian

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an ancient human world

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granted that world only had tier 5 tech at best from what we saw

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But did have blue lighting lining some stone structures like forerunner architecture sometimes does

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so maybe those ruins held more advanced tech than met the eye

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:25 PM

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From what we have seen they looked different enough I dont see the covenant mistaking one for the other

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Well as seen in some ancient human story about the forerunners, ancient human tech looks alot like Forerunner tech

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Just check hiddenxperia's videos on ancient humanity & forerunner flood war

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 5:25 PM

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no thanks

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:26 PM

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;-;

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:26 PM

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I'd rather just watch terminals

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Personally, they're the closest form of "canonity" when it comes to lore

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Why watch videos when you can go straight to the source, or Halopedia?

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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I see

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Agreed

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Videos are another source, but that is true @feral perch

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Besides, often they just say the literal word to per word thing a halopedia article has

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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true dat

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Really?

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Most of the time yeah

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I only watch Halo Canon, but it seems like HaloFollower isn't aware that Halopedia exists

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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HaloFollower does lore vids?

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I thought he just did Halo news

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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he does lore

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which is...

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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"Lore"

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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well, he should stick to news

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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It's in the name, so yeah

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Not to sound mean, but for me HaloFollower seems to really thrive on juicy video names and cool thumbnails

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Yeah, lore is hiddenxperia's strongsuit

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And even then, it's mainly from old bungie records or halopedia or novels of all sorts

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:30 PM

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I'd say constantly talking about the Flood that Xperia's an expert at

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And the Forerunner trilogy isn't Bungie era stuff, that's very early 343i era

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Uh, dude, novels are a huge part of the lore.

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:30 PM

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HUGE

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part of lore

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Basically the spine of lore's skeleton

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:31 PM

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and the ribcage

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:31 PM

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And the legs

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And probably the brain

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:31 PM

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I never said the novels aren't part of the lore

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Pilot seemed to be implying that HiddenX uses sources that aren't all that pertinent

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Ah, I got what you mean now

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Oh

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Well what I was saying was that you can still rely on videos like HiddenX's for lore, which rely on books and terminals and that kind of jazz

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Oh okay.

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:33 PM

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I'd rather rely on Halo Canon or Halopedia for my lore

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 5:33 PM

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but halopedia gives you the same info without the voice

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Still, he sometimes uses sources that aren't officially canon. Like "A Fistful of Arrows"

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Is HiddenX here on this discord?

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Or just goes off of fan speculation that there's going to be a whole bunch of Flood invading or something like that

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:34 PM

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That's his kind of work, on theorizing. It's youtube, you need a big audience, make a big thing

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And yes, fistfull of arrows isn't canon

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Hidden's probably on channel

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:35 PM

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I know HaloFollower isn't here, and I don't think Installation00 is here either.

fair hazel Mar 6, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Im here.

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Okay?

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:36 PM

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And you are...

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 5:37 PM

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He's erickyboo

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:38 PM

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I see...

fair hazel Mar 6, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Yep. Toa freak is here sometimes.

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:38 PM

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thinkingchief

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:40 PM

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What?

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Yes Halo Canon is on here at times

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As is Hiddenxeperia

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:41 PM

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And probably most Halo YTers who have discord

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Likely

wraith geode Mar 6, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Am I the only one who misses fighting drones?

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As annoying as they were, I'd like to see them again

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I miss them

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They were lit

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Would like to see them again, though maybe rework their gameplay a bit

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I hope to god that they come back in Infinite

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:43 PM

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They were only lit when I used a flamethrower on them

fair hazel Mar 6, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Don’t bypass word filter.

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:44 PM

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There's no time in any of the Halo games when you can torch Buggers.

fair hazel Mar 6, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I made a o: face at your comment slipstream. You can in odst by the way stonewall.

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Halo 3 ODST, you can take the flamethrower through to the part with the Drones on Data Hive

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:45 PM

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OOOH

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You're right, I can't believe I forgot.

fair hazel Mar 6, 2020, 5:45 PM

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ODST to me showcases the city of the future concept

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I never played ODST 😔

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I plan on buying it & reach on MCC tho

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:45 PM

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They did a really good job with New Mombasa honestly

fair hazel Mar 6, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Lead by an AI, tasks automated. Lights up as this smart city.

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It’s to me basically what a future city should be like in a way.

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:46 PM

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It seems so modern, yet so futuristic at the same time

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:47 PM

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payphones

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Phones like that seem logical, people aren't going to suddenly stop losing their phones

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 5:49 PM

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hm

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Would also like to visit a city of a Covie species, like a bustling city in Vadam state

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:51 PM

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We already have futuristic-esque cities now

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I mean covie cities seem to be like our own

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just more advanced tech

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and covie style architecture

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same with forerunner

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we see one on composers abyss

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it pretty much resembles a real life city but with forerunner style design

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Speaking of Sanghelios, would’ve been so dope to have actually seen and visited Vadam keep in Halo 5

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Aye

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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That would've been cool but I do think Sanghelios was a great addition to Halo 5 in general

wraith geode Mar 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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I loved finally seeing Sangheilios in the game

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Also Arbiters armor was dope

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Wish he had his cape but cloth isn't the easiest to animate

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I don't see how Doom's frame rate has anything to do with Halo lore

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 6:08 PM

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I’d also love to see Doisac in a game, like see if there’s Chieftains like Lydus still around and willing to make an alliance

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Nevermind then.

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Can I get some graphic novel suggestions?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I imagine there are jiralhanae like Lydus out there but they appear to be we quite rare. I would count maccabees as one though even if hes dead

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 6:20 PM

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There seems to be quite a bit out there now

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Halo: the graphic novel, the original one

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:24 PM

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So what blocks people from being composed on that one Halo 4 mission until the end of it?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Nothing

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only Chief didn't get composed

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:26 PM

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MC is the only one with the immunity

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I wonder if AI can be composed

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:26 PM

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So were they not just composed at the begging? Were they out of range.

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 6:27 PM

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composed as in converted to data and absorbed by forerunner tech?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 6:27 PM

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So were they not just composed at the begging? Were they out of range.
The Composer wasn't activated until the very end

unique rune Mar 6, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Most of that mission was keeping the Composer hidden from the Didact

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:27 PM

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no one got composed until ivanoff station level

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:27 PM

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AI can't be composed

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Why wasn't it activated until the end?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:27 PM

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there is no physical matter to scan

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Cos he didnt have it til then

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Because that's when the Didact got it?

unique rune Mar 6, 2020, 6:27 PM

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The Covenant remnant and the Didact were searching for it

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and then they recovered it at the end

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They knew it was onboard Ivanoff, just not exactly where

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 6:28 PM

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I'm so confused now lol

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 6:28 PM

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What are you confused about.

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Oh OK. Also are there any mini composer guns or something like that? Could there be units that use Promethean vision to see through walls and select enemies to compose?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 6:28 PM

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No

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 6:29 PM

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the composure, and who hade it, hid it, what it did or didnt do lol

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 6:29 PM

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The Composer is a Forerunner device that uses Neural Physics to convert a biological being into a digital one

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Or are there any mini composers?

unique rune Mar 6, 2020, 6:29 PM

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The Composer was originally stored on Installation 03. Humanity recovered it and relocated it to Ivanoff for research

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:29 PM

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that level of confusion is best resolved by replaying the game or reading Halopedia

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there are no mini composers

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 6:30 PM

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@gilded mason yeah, I remember/figured out that much

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I need to replay halo 4...

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Didact would make use of it to create a Promethean army that can't get infected by the Flood, but was way overzealous in converting humans, so the Librarian locked him away until Halo 4.

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:31 PM

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So when people are composed do they become a single Promethean or are their consciousnesses combined and put into every Promethean?

versed helm Mar 6, 2020, 6:31 PM

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I think they are divided like folders in a computer

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:32 PM

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as far as we know, it's a 1:1 transfer

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:33 PM

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So if a Knight dies does the consciousness of the human composed die?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:33 PM

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yes

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it can persist for a bit outside the frame but eventually dissipates

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Also how do flood infected Promethean soldiers vary from the regular ones?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:34 PM

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what do you mean?

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Prometheans can't get infected. That's the whole point.

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Prometheans cannot be infected by the Flood yo.

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:35 PM

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I heard only the soldiers could.

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:35 PM

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i think you heard wrong

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 6:35 PM

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I’m back

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Promethean Soldiers are even more artificial than Knights

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Soldiers are purely machine constructs.

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There's no digitized soul within.

midnight carbon Mar 6, 2020, 6:36 PM

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it's funny how jackals think their shield actually protects them, I can just 1 melee them

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Can they be infected with the logic plague?

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Same for Watchers and Crawlers, I believe.

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:36 PM

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So can they be infected with the logic plague? If so does having it change their appearance?

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I’m pretty sure all AI can be infected with the logic plague.

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I doubt the logic plague can infect Prometheans. They don't really have wills of their own to be persuaded.

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Offensive Bias was immune to Logic Plague.

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 6:37 PM

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I thought it was comendant or something

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:37 PM

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prometheans probably lack the willpower/free thinking to be susceptible to the plague

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 6:37 PM

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or the youtubers accent are so heavy

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it’s hard to understand

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:38 PM

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So what happens to the appearance of sentinels when they get infected by the logic plague?

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Logic plague has also never been shown in a Halo game, so we have no idea what it might look like on Prometheans if they were somehow infected, which again is very unlikely.

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Sentinels are probably immune to the Logic Plague.

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They're just basic defense machines.

mild adder Mar 6, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Doesn’t Cortana still have it

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:38 PM

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No.

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Why would logic plague affect the appearance of a robot?

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Cortana does not and has never had Logic Plague as far as we know.

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:39 PM

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What defenses did the flood take over at the end of the Forerunner-Flood War?

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Would robots grow tentacles if they got infected?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:39 PM

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no

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:39 PM

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@mild adder You're probably thinking of Mendicant Bias, who was infected with the Logic Plague. Another, similar AI/ancilla was created specifically to defeat Mendicant Bias, and it was named Offensive Bias. Offensive Bias was immune to the Logic Plague.

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:39 PM

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just.... no

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 6:40 PM

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How would something that was logic plagued, grow tentacles?

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Like, that isn't how the logic plague works

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:40 PM

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neural physics 😏

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 6:41 PM

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that's my word don't appropriate it >:(

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 6:41 PM

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If I catch a cold, I'm not going to suddenly have ice crystals growing out of my body

gilded mason Mar 6, 2020, 6:41 PM

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You sure?

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:41 PM

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The logic plague has to do with philosophical persuasion, not biological invasion.

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Also what do other soldiers look like besides the Promethean soldiers? Specifically the other kind of armigers.

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:42 PM

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sentinels

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and all the different types

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Armiger is a broad term.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Sentinels would be immune. the ancilla controlling them however are not

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Sentinels and Soldiers are Armigers.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:43 PM

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basically if something/one is sapient, then it is susceptible to logic plague

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:44 PM

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I just remember on Halo Canon's video on Hunter In the Dark he used a Halo 5's soldier but said specifically it may not represent the actual look of the ones mentioned in the book. Did the ones in that book look different?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:44 PM

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the ones in the book weren't described beyond being Armigers

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:45 PM

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What creatures are crawlers and Watchers based on?

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:46 PM

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nothing

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crawlers have obvious inspiration from quadropeds but it's not like a particular animal was used as a basis

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Basically the logic plague's ability to turn organics or synthetics is somewhat implied to be just the nature of being exposed to the Gravemind directly and later indirectly in the Key Mind stage— It's utter malice and desire to corrupt is absolute. The Logic plague is transmitted through memes and complex information encoded in everything it says.

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Maybe some alien lifeform in Halo.

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transmitted through memes?

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lol.

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"Hey, check out this dank meme. Haha, now you have logic plague!"

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Yeah basically

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Was the Pheru ever made into a Promethean?

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Its not something i can easily explain

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 6:48 PM

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The Gravemind is showing them memes to corrupt them. I knew it

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:48 PM

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and complex information

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:48 PM

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@simple locust no

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Its metaphysical essentially

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:48 PM

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@simple locustno they were wiped out by the first test of a halo

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:48 PM

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only Forerunners and Humans became Prometheans

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:48 PM

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any species could be made into them

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except maybe hunters

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and flood

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:49 PM

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doubt that

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 6:49 PM

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The Knights are the only Promthean constructs that were made from biological creatures, specifically Promethean Warrior-Servants and ancient humans. Then in 2557, the population of New Phoenix and Ivanoff Station were composed and turned as well

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:49 PM

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a dog would not make a good Knight

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Also how many Forerunner Promethean types were there?

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Didact intended to compose any species who opposed his new empire

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Why don't you go check Halopedia for that? @simple locust

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:49 PM

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I don't dn

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:50 PM

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@jolly furnace That's not true.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:50 PM

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@feral perch what isnt

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:50 PM

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He was going to compose all of humanity, but not all species.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:50 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Promethean_Knight

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Yeah its made clear in Silentium he would compose any sapient species who opposed him

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:50 PM

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There you go

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I don't the specify enough from what I recall. I mean how do the variants seen the Halo 4 terminals vary in their combat roles?

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:50 PM

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He wasnt gonna stop at humans

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I've never heard that.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Any uncomposed beings are food for flood aswell

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Its in Silentium

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:51 PM

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page number?

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Id have to look it up

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I have thr book give me a moment

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 6:51 PM

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we'll wait

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🙂

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:52 PM

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But its either stated or heavily implied

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in Silentium

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Also do we know about that one rifle used by the forerunners or ancient humans in the terminals?

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:52 PM

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which

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the terminal use different gun design that use same firing animation - beams

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:53 PM

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The one rifle does not appear in Halo 4 by Forerunners. I think it is black and has jagged edges.

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 6:53 PM

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No, I don't think so.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Same in the lbrarian charum hakkor flashback

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 6:53 PM

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That wasn't a Forerunner weapon

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:53 PM

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there's 2 of them

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One is the thing from the terminal scene with didact on LOA's ship

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I know there is one gun in the Marathon games that does damage comparable to ones in those terminals.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:54 PM

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the other is a heavier looking gun from charum hakkkor seige

simple locust Mar 6, 2020, 6:54 PM

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It's pink, yellow gun.

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Page 262

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:54 PM

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both fired the same type of beam

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What Ado?

carmine sleet Mar 6, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Gameplay isn't indicative of canon weapon damage, especially weapons from other franchises

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Stone was asking for the page number of silentium that shows the didact would not stop at himsns

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Is it there?

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Stated or implied?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:56 PM

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" he will begin a program to eradicate all suspect species. Purge all dangerous planets. Wipe the galaxy clean of threats. Never again allow the galaxy to rise up against foreunners.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Thats it then

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Thank you

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Welcome

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That Endurance, the didact's LT telling the librarian the didact's plan so does seem composing can be implied

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Well she presumably heard it from him

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Nope only Endurance

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Why say that to her otherwise

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Oh misread that

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But yes, interestingly there's no talk of killing off anyone

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 7:00 PM

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"Eradicate." "Purge." "Wipe the galaxy clean."

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Sounds like killing.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 7:00 PM

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And besides it seems Didact needs to compose people to bolster the prometheans numbers. It seems he can't take the essences he has and just put them in new promethean shells

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I mean composing is essentially killing

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Or worse

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Maybe worse.

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Given where those essences go

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 7:01 PM

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They could also be used in alternatives to being composed

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 7:01 PM

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what?

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 7:04 PM

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The various words, purge, eradicate, etc could be just different wording for being composed

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Oh

humble yacht Mar 6, 2020, 7:04 PM

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or could just be terms for straight up destruction

terse lava Mar 6, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Indeed they could

feral perch Mar 6, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Why not say "composed" if that's what he meant?

jolly furnace Mar 6, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Well it implied composition given the context of the situation

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and conversation

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and Endurance wasnt against the plan at that point

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Or if destruction and genocide then it would be done after he dealt with the Flood

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Ultimately doing that he would need more Promeatheans cos he didnt have the numbers which in his mind was the issue