#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 309

abstract venture Feb 27, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Kelly is only the third fastest person in Blue team lol

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And Fred whos 4th isn't far behind her

versed helm Feb 27, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Blarggity Blarg-Tucker would obliterate Fal in a basketball game tho

torpid flare Feb 27, 2020, 10:34 PM

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@terse lava hello lite elite spaghetti sangheili

abstract venture Feb 27, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Both Chief and Linda have sprinted 100+ kph compared to her 65 kph top speed

humble yacht Feb 27, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Kelly is the fastest spartan 2

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nothing you say changes this

abstract venture Feb 27, 2020, 10:35 PM

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By statements yeah

humble yacht Feb 27, 2020, 10:36 PM

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at a certain point, things stop being jokes and start being just straight up lies/trolling

abstract venture Feb 27, 2020, 10:36 PM

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It depends if you personally consider statements or actual feats as more important

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I'm not trolling though

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Chief can casually sprint 72 kph from rest

terse lava Feb 27, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Now wondering, how factual can we take "The Duel"

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Since we are talking of speed

abstract venture Feb 27, 2020, 10:37 PM

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So something is up

versed helm Feb 27, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Kelly is the human version of Hermes

feral perch Feb 27, 2020, 10:38 PM

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i see wot u did thar

carmine sleet Feb 27, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Basically. Until lore states otherwise, Kelly is the fastest Spartan

torpid flare Feb 27, 2020, 10:38 PM

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is she a traveler? lol

versed helm Feb 27, 2020, 10:39 PM

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Well... technically?

humble yacht Feb 27, 2020, 10:39 PM

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wouldn't it be funny if shaq went into halopedia and changed all of Kelly's speed values before asking the question?

torpid flare Feb 27, 2020, 10:40 PM

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yes, that will 10/10 comedy

versed helm Feb 27, 2020, 10:40 PM

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She was being sent out on missions all over the Orion arm Storm so... in a sense

abstract venture Feb 27, 2020, 10:41 PM

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?

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What are you talkin about dawg

fleet robin Feb 27, 2020, 10:47 PM

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help me with the lore

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according to lore the humans and san shumm created the flood am i right
or am i wrong

humble yacht Feb 27, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Wrong

torpid flare Feb 27, 2020, 10:48 PM

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the flood was from corrupted precursors

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the humans and prophets fed their pets powder.

fleet robin Feb 27, 2020, 10:49 PM

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thats what i'm saying

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i'm saying in doing so the flood was created

humble yacht Feb 27, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Not really

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They’re less responsible than the forerunners who forced the precursors to turn powder in the first place

versed helm Feb 27, 2020, 11:40 PM

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It’s funny how the flood started off as dog food lol

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Little did they know what it would become

terse lava Feb 27, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Not dog food, grooming

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Whatever happened to that family and girl you meet on the first level of Halo Reach?

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 12:12 AM

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where is family

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 12:13 AM

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I think it that part where you find lifesigns in that one kiva i think

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 12:13 AM

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most likely died due to glassing

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Ain't gonna lie,those Reach kivas looked beautiful,it would be awesome to have them as a real life house

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 12:16 AM

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it is based on the Pueblo houses in real live for their desert.

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Oh yeah

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 12:17 AM

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they have bricks called adobe

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 12:17 AM

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I know

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 12:18 AM

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just wanted to give info

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Ty

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Reach is like a big Earth but with geological issues

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Isn't Reach like a billion years old?

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Is it just me or does anyone else think that 343 ruined the Ur-Didact's potential?

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Imho,he should've been the main villain for the Reclaimer Saga

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Any thoughts?

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meanwhile the big bang happened lomg ago

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How would the Ur-Didact come back?

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Digitally

obsidian thistle Feb 28, 2020, 1:10 AM

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I just wonder if he will stay in limbo for awhile like the Spark storyline was for 8 years or if he will return right after the Created Story Arc?

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Yanno... Technically odst had a playable spartan, Since Johnson was a spartan 1

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 1:35 AM

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When could you play as Johnson in ODST?

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Pre order bonus, added him as a playable character in firefight

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Oh yeah.

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 2:15 AM

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what about the ur didacts caveman friends?

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like char or something. Was from halo: Infinitum

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part of the didact trilogy

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they were also preserved on the halos as genetic templates

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Halo: primordium and no they weren't his friends, they were bornatellar's. Riser ended up back on earth eventually on a island with his people and Chakas ended up as a monitor known as 343 guilty spark

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 2:20 AM

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They were still his companions through much of the novel

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and did go through a lot.

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sounds a lot like friends to me

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Not at all, that would still apply to Bornsteller as by the time of the 2nd.book the imprint of th didact had taken over most of him. Thus he shared the name of "didact" along with the original. At best the ur didact tolerated Chakas and Riser

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 2:24 AM

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ur didact once said that there was too much of the ancient humans in Chakas/Riser/other humans like them

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and ur didact hated ancient humans

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 2:25 AM

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Wasn't that only Chakas

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 2:26 AM

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i'm sure he was just using chakas as a representative of his race

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 2:27 AM

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True, but Riser he compared to a pet and a teacher for little forerunner children.

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 2:27 AM

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riser sounds like a little brownnoser

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Yet i think he was the one who bit the didact

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 2:29 AM

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based

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 2:29 AM

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...when you think about it

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He did more damage than black team

feral perch Feb 28, 2020, 2:52 AM

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LOL

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 3:36 AM

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what is currently the most overpowered species still alive

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Precursors

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 3:39 AM

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... In the Milky way or in other galaxies?

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 3:39 AM

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the milky way

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Ah, forerunner remnants in the form of Bastion I would say

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 3:40 AM

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I wonder if we'll ever know What species that ship that crashed on Alpha Halo belonged to

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 3:41 AM

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me too, i think it was the elites who caused that, oh wait i caused that.

versed helm Feb 28, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Intergalactic Elites 👀

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 3:44 AM

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the elites became so op that one section of elites want to Andromeda galaxy

feral perch Feb 28, 2020, 3:45 AM

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no

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 3:45 AM

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yes

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Something I realized on the great journey. The war was caused by the hierarchs thinking humans were forerunners unworthy of the journey. Yet by definition every race besides the forerunners were unworthy the first time too. Plus they regularly threatened abandonment when the journey began for heretics.

So technically if the covenant had achieved the great journey, couldn't thise left behind do it too if they now believed?

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 3:47 AM

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the war started because the humans presence invalidated the belief that all the "worthy" would go on the Great Journey

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because they viewed the humans as leftover Forerunners, and who would be worthy if not the Forerunners

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i'm speaking of when after the Luminary revealed the glyph meant "Reclaimer", not "Reclamation"

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Yes I am aware, it just feels odd when I gave it thought as the covenant always claimed that someone can be left behind if seen as a heretic, yet their first reaction on seeing "forerunners" left behind was not a "fallen angels" type of moment.

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 3:53 AM

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i guess when you have forerunner tech openly acknowledging them, it'd be a little hard to sell that idea that they aren't "worthy"

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 3:54 AM

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Well mendicant only said they were his makers, not that they were worthy of the journey

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 3:55 AM

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of course. mendicant knew there was no journey

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Well yes

visual moth Feb 28, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Mass Effect isi n the same universe as Halo

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 3:55 AM

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the luminary also identified them as being forerunner-related. and then of course there ended up being humanity's greater compatibility with forerunner tech

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Just...with how deep in their theology they were, one would think on seeing left behind forerunners they would be considered like the fallen angel's. Sure they were once forerunners, butnleft behind for "reasons"

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 3:58 AM

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when you don't know what those "reasons" are, it's hard to justify that all of your followers will still be guaranteed to go on the journey

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Well mendicant only said they were his makers, not that they were worthy of the journey```
He seemed pretty reverent.
```The hologram of the alien world disappeared, and once more the Oracle’s eye shone forth. < I WILL REJECT MY BIAS AND WILL MAKE AMENDS >
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< MY MAKERS ARE MY MASTERS > The Oracle’s teardrop casing rattled inside its armature as if it were trying to take flight with its ship. < I WILL BRING THEM SAFELY TO THE ARK >```

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 3:59 AM

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That part was never in doubt, I am talking from the view of the 3 regret, truth, and mercy.

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Truth: "Fear not, my faithful. These fallen gods were unworthy of the Journey and left behind! Stay on the path and you will be save!"
Covenant: "What did they do to be unworthy?"
Truth: ".... um, they didn't pay their church dues!"

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Yet they could argue any reasons. Rebellion, ally with flood, or just plain lack of faith

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Although that did give me a good chuckle

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 4:01 AM

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cut them some slack, they were new to the whole lying and villainy thing

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they got better with time

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Well only regret and truth. Mercy seemed...rather tame really

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Compared to them that is

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 4:03 AM

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wasn't he called mercy because he was merciless in his ideas of how to handle the humans?

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Don't think so

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 4:03 AM

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each of them was named ironically so Mercy was merciless in some regard

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Think that was more regret, truth was the only one who took his name due to the irony

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Or wasn't shown mercy by Truth in Halo 2

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 4:04 AM

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The closest he showed on lacking mercy was Thel's trial

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Yet he showed Regret mercy too

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I do recall he was the one of the last "old guard" who thought decommissioning the keyship was a bad idea

novel plank Feb 28, 2020, 5:37 AM

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wasn't he called mercy because he was merciless in his ideas of how to handle the humans?
Yes, but Ado was speaking specifically about the way he handled the swindle of politics
If he was the best known for military rule and his role in the human covenant war, than i suppose that's where he got his name

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 7:40 AM

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Was it ever shown when/how high charity found out about halo? The fleet communique show that the fleet of Particular Justice was not able to make contact at any point, yet First Strike shows that high charity was on the way.

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 2:13 PM

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maybe capital ships have LoJack

jolly furnace Feb 28, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Mercy convinced Truth to spare Regret a public display of contempt. A mercy

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But didn't attempt to intervene when Truth decided to let Regret die

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They could have easily saved him from MC

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And ironically Mercy's own death was an act of Mercy to him by MC

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Wonder if Mercy had the Same motives as Truth

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 7:21 PM

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in what regard?

obsidian thistle Feb 28, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Hard to say.

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Well he didnt overrule truth with the phantoms and later went with the sangheili genocide

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised if Truth fed him some lies to get him onboard with that plot

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Mercy was the most dogmatic of the hierarchic so everything he did was for the Great Journey

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Maybe, but odd either way that Mercy didnt do more. Just kind of tagged along

quiet umbra Feb 28, 2020, 9:03 PM

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H2 Truth be like : "Mercy is too dogmatic in his beliefs, I'm going to leave him for dead to assume control for my own selfish reasons"

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H3 Truth: becomes Mercy

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"great jurny bro"

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 9:08 PM

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can a virus potently halt the flood?

unique rune Feb 28, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Maybe very temporarily slow them, but the Flood adapts rapidly enough that it’d ultimately not do much.

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 9:14 PM

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what would the best way to make the flood to extinction

unique rune Feb 28, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Destroy any and all existing Flood biomass

carmine sleet Feb 28, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Stave the Flood

agile dragon Feb 28, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Travel back in time and prevent the Precursors becoming flood dust.

jolly furnace Feb 28, 2020, 10:08 PM

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@torpid flare ancient humanity already tried that essentially. it didnt work

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Honestly the best way would likely be with the help of precursors

jolly furnace Feb 28, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Assuming they actually would help or care

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Heck given how long this has been going on they probably don't

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If they're aware of it

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Or they actually enjoy the suffering

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 10:16 PM

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We only know that out of those in the milky way, only some became powder, not all

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As alien as they are, I doubt other precursors around the universe would find it appealing to see something like the flood threaten their creations

jolly furnace Feb 28, 2020, 10:24 PM

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we've no way of knowing

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 10:25 PM

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@jolly furnace no need to ping, but ok

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yes i am a hippo crit

jolly furnace Feb 28, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Ur fine

grand brook Feb 28, 2020, 10:29 PM

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@grand brook @grand brook

gaunt oakBOT Feb 28, 2020, 10:30 PM

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@grand brook has been muted for 3 days.
Reason: spam

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Thanks

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Why did humanity still use bullets, even though plasma is technically superior

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Because bullets are still pretty damaging. And for gameplay.

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 10:33 PM

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ok

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Humans had not mastered plasma tech

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 10:34 PM

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And that

humble yacht Feb 28, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Covenant weaponry was a mystery to them

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They couldn’t even recharge a plasma rifle

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Plus the whole "bullets arent too alien for humans"

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 10:35 PM

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hol up

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say that again but slower

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 10:36 PM

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What are you confused about.

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 10:47 PM

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the bullets aren't too alien for humans

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 10:48 PM

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As in, bullets are familiar weaponry that a human faction would make use of.

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And players would identify with it

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 10:49 PM

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ok

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the wording was a bit odd

gilded mason Feb 28, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Nah

unique rune Feb 28, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Seemed pretty straightforward to me

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Ok

terse lava Feb 28, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Was bungie's excuse for it, that and centuries of peace

torpid flare Feb 28, 2020, 11:44 PM

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thanks

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 12:13 AM

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The reasoning given in the Visual Guide was reliability and simplicity.

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You'll notice that the Covenant's fancy plasma weapons, while undoubtedly highly deadly on impact, have clear and obvious downsides (ie substantial waste heat generation, slower projectiles, bulk, complexity). Like all firearms, their design is a trade off between many, many traits with targeted advantages and unavoidable disadvantages.

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And you'll also notice that the UNSC's guns, as "primitive" as they are, only really run into a great deal of trouble against energy shields and the heaviest Covenant armour.

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The last thing you should notice is that the Covenant like to employ their own alternate weapons to mitigate the issues that complete reliance on plasma weapons would cause, including particle beams and a variety of projectile launchers.

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Though UNSC firearms shouldn't be seen as primitive. At minimum we know that they feature a myriad of useful electronics, and also that they have ways of mitigating the horrible overheating firing in a vacuum would cause (likely by taking advantage of shell casings). The compact cartridge fired by the BR-series indicates a substantial advance in propellant substances just before the beginning of the Covenant War (perhaps related to "energetic propellant") and various complex recoil reduction systems have been mentioned or alluded to.

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@torpid flare

torpid flare Feb 29, 2020, 12:27 AM

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@torpid flare

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Ay, you asked a question relating to guns.

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Thought you might like a truly in-depth answer.

torpid flare Feb 29, 2020, 12:29 AM

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thanks for in depth

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good job looters

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 12:31 AM

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superintendent

torpid flare Feb 29, 2020, 12:31 AM

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guiltyspark

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staring contest

fair hazel Feb 29, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Kinetic bolts

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 12:40 AM

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7.62 rounds in the assault rifle

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While multiplayer was non canon. I wonder if Regret participated in any battles

torpid flare Feb 29, 2020, 12:52 AM

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he could be a warrior at one time in his youth

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 12:53 AM

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@terse lava What do you mean by that

unique rune Feb 29, 2020, 12:53 AM

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That sounds... very unlikely.

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Bringing up the 7.62

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 12:53 AM

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I couldnt resist

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 12:54 AM

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But like

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Were you making a point

torpid flare Feb 29, 2020, 12:54 AM

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7.62 is ado's favorite rational number

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Nice

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I mean it's not the 7.62 part that causes issues

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It's the x51 bit

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 12:56 AM

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It was just for a bit of amusement. Well I guess slight point as that was a major problem for you

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 1:03 AM

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I was just curious, Jeez

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Oh no I didnt mean that in a condescending manner. Was just something you often bring up

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Well I mean

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FPS

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First Person Shooter

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I feel as if firearms are a fairly major part of that formula

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Yea

torpid flare Feb 29, 2020, 1:07 AM

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helo

idle iron Feb 29, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Do any of you guys consider RvB part of Halo cannon

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 1:37 AM

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No

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And anyone who does is incorrect

unique rune Feb 29, 2020, 1:37 AM

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It’s... kinda impossible to reconcile RvB canon with Halo canon.

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Anyone who does probably doesn't know much about either Halo or RvB

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A moderately deep understanding of both or even just one of them would reveal that they are obviously irreconcilable

fair hazel Feb 29, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Indeed.

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Not to mention we cant consider it ourselves. its not up to us

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 1:41 AM

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I think it's perfectly valid for everyone to have their own internal version of the Halo universe

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And for that to be a consideration in some respects

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In fact I would argue, as you know, that 343's actions seem to encourage personal interpretation particularly relating to technical aspects of the lore, the Battle of Reach, and fringe elements of canon such as toys and ARGs.

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But there are limits.

idle iron Feb 29, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Oh so im the only one

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Yea kinda, cant reconcile both

unique rune Feb 29, 2020, 2:36 AM

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At most I could imagine RvB being a show or series that people watch in the same way it exists in the real world (as well as the way its PSAs present it), but beyond that... ehhh.

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Hm, I wonder how other races fully join the covenant once found. Do their leaders sign the writ, are they given a choice of becoming full members, mercs, or fringe?

stoic hamlet Feb 29, 2020, 2:50 AM

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There are aspects of RvB that could be canon, or that pull from Canon.

But the series isn’t canon, no.

torpid flare Feb 29, 2020, 4:09 AM

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what currencies does the UNSC and Covenant use

gilded mason Feb 29, 2020, 4:10 AM

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UNSC: Credits
Covenant: Gekz

torpid flare Feb 29, 2020, 4:12 AM

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i assume that credits are like the same with US dollar

drifting beacon Feb 29, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Estimated conversion rate is 4 credits to 1 USD

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Gekz?

torpid flare Feb 29, 2020, 4:14 AM

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most likely, bitcoin still exists, but not as popular as today.

unique rune Feb 29, 2020, 4:48 AM

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That’s... why...?

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I don’t think it’s a stretch to think 26th century humanity has some kind of cryptocurrency in circulation, but bitcoin specifically?

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Wondering if gekz were paid to only civilians and kig-yar mercenaries, or if sangheili and jiralhanae military were paid too

gilded mason Feb 29, 2020, 4:51 AM

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One of the books talks about Vadam getting profits from their shipping ports, so I imagine so.

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Yea but I was imagining your average major

gilded mason Feb 29, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Since Sanghelios uses currency, that'd mean it'd probably be useful to a major as well.

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 4:57 AM

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True, guess with the whole "salvation for service," was taking it a bit more literal.

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Gekz

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That sounds funny

carmine sleet Feb 29, 2020, 10:29 AM

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Ok, I just saw that was the name for Covenant currency and my head is just going "Hey, maybe Gek 'Lar was named after the currency"

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 2:27 PM

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No wonder he was always angry

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Wait, that’s not a joke?

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It’s really called gekz?

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Yes

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Not a joke at all

unique rune Feb 29, 2020, 4:40 PM

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I miss 2012.

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Kony 2012

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Why do you miss 2012?

gilded mason Feb 29, 2020, 7:33 PM

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@terse lava
Somebody did a Rickroll that has since been removed.

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And he was responding with that

fair hazel Feb 29, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Well, no memes.

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Oh thought he met build up to halo 4

fair hazel Feb 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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halo infinite released 8 years after halo 4

gilded mason Feb 29, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Okay?

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 7:43 PM

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What Ericky?

fair hazel Feb 29, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Well, released, will release, is releasing, it's all subjective.

unique rune Feb 29, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Uh... yeah. Is there something else you’re trying to get at, or...?

fair hazel Feb 29, 2020, 7:46 PM

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we were talking about 2012

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Yes, as the meme thing was gone by the time I saw the post, thought he missed 2012 due to the build up of halo 4. The forerunner trilogy, the lore stuff, trailers, etc

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Little confused on how halo infinite got into the conversation

fair hazel Feb 29, 2020, 7:56 PM

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It's interesting to think of time in real life translated in game

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When it's august, it's like. Okay this is the fall of reach

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then you wait until september and it's like, okay halo CE time. etc. and just measure time and apply it to in universe time

half apex Feb 29, 2020, 8:42 PM

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hey

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i have a question

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where is the unsc eternal under construction?

fair hazel Feb 29, 2020, 8:50 PM

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you mean the UNSC Eternity?

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in the oort cloud

stoic hamlet Feb 29, 2020, 9:02 PM

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I don’t think I’m under construction.

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😛

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 9:04 PM

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What if the Eternity crew was Canadian?

humble yacht Feb 29, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Does Canada even exist in the 26th century?

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I thought North America united

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Country I doubt it, but i also belive now that every ensign on that vessel has a personal bottle of maple syrup

stoic hamlet Feb 29, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Lian Devereaux is from Quebec.

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So they’re still chugging along (somehow)

humble yacht Feb 29, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Still need maple syrup in the future

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I was afraid Dev was gonna go the way of Polaski

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and Foehammer

stoic hamlet Feb 29, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I’m guessing at most Canada is like a country today in the EU but obviously the URNA in its place.

It might be a country but be represented overall by the URNA.

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Yo this might be a stupid question to ask but where/when/how was it confirmed that infinite halo will be on zeta halo?

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We saw gamma halo in halo 4 another halo ring in 5 and a new ring in wars 2

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:35 PM

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There’s no confirmation

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Only hints

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:35 PM

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What are the hints?

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And is there a difference between 5 legendary ending ring and zeta halo? Or is that not confirmed either

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Morse code and wall text in the 2018 E3 trailer

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:36 PM

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The forerunner text in the cave?

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:36 PM

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It could be ancient human text

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:36 PM

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OK cool just wanted to know

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:37 PM

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We don’t know the connection between the ring in Halo 5’s Legendary ending, the ring in the E3 trailers, and 09

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you know that’s inappropriate

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c’mon

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Bro how big is his AR

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Which one?

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Infinite one

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Or is that not confirmed

humble yacht Feb 29, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Keep it clean @jovial compass

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:39 PM

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The MA40 has dimensions that look very similar to the Reach AR

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:39 PM

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The halo 5 trailers or "let's hunt him down" someone said those missions were cut from the fame on here once, anyone know the source to that?

humble yacht Feb 29, 2020, 9:39 PM

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There is no source

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It’s a rumor

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Because I've never found a source to that

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When arbiter won the civil war in 5, was that the end of the covenant? Or more covenant out there? And do banished count as red covenant?

humble yacht Feb 29, 2020, 9:43 PM

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There are more splinter factions

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Whether they are as strong as Jul’s Covenant is unknown and unlikely

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The banished is a splinter faction

gilded mason Feb 29, 2020, 9:44 PM

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There are plenty of factions out there of varying sizes, some that might call themselves "Covenant", some that don't. And they all would have varying ideologies that might match or not match the old Covenant

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:44 PM

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How many halo comics are there?

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I want to read them

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Haven't got time for books tho

humble yacht Feb 29, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Google is your friend

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:47 PM

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There’s the Halo Graphic Novel, Halo: Helljumper, Halo: Bloodlines, Halo: Uprising, and a host of others.

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I once watched some guys YouTube video and he referenced some comic that Bungie/343i endorsed for jun's fate after reach

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Initiation and Escalation have a ton of comics in their series.

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Some fanmade comic

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Uhh, endorsed is not quite right

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It has a special place in 343i’s collective heart.

unique rune Feb 29, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Bungie and 343 have made little nods to Fistful of Arrows, but, yeah, I wouldn’t say endorsed.

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:48 PM

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So basically not official?

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Correct

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You should really try reading one of the novels though. I’d recommend Halo: The Fall of Reach for a starter on the human perspective, and Halo: Broken Circle for information on the origins of the Covenant.

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:50 PM

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I read 70% of fall of reach couple of years ago thats it

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I picked up some other books but didn't understand any of it and barely started

feral perch Feb 29, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Not bad

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Hm.

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I remember MC playing games as a kid, being kidnapped, augmented and augmented deformations, and infiltrating some unsc base as training thats it

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And killing odsts

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 9:53 PM

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That's only half the book

jovial compass Feb 29, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I read it years back so I forgot everything else 😂

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Huh ok, but yea the FOR makes a good starting book for one side and just an entry book. Another good one would be Silent Storm and Oblivion. Both take place in the early months-first year of the war

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And have human and Covenant viewpoints

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And of course Broken Circle for a seat from the Covenant side of the table. Covers pre-covenant and the first couple years of the Covenant. Later half takes place during halo 2

torpid flare Feb 29, 2020, 10:15 PM

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what is the most annoying enemy in halo?

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Watchers

unique rune Feb 29, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Not the channel I’d use for that question, but...

Yanme’e.
Stupid buggers.

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Er, hm. Might have to amend that to ranged Pure Forms.

gilded mason Feb 29, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Man, those. Agreed.

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Original halo 2 infection forms. Shields go down and you think you killed all the flood, you randomly drop dead and find those annoyances in your foot

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Flood rangers...dang you are right

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 10:27 PM

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So what other Earth nations still exist in the 26th century?

humble yacht Feb 29, 2020, 10:33 PM

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England must since Tarrence Hood is a lore

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Germany exists

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I think theres a few German colonies as well but im not too sure about that

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And the US, Canada and Mexico formed into the United Republic of North America

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the US in its current form no longer exists

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yep

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Yep

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that reminds me, a game about the martian wars would be exciting

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 10:47 PM

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I guess, first use of orbital drop

versed helm Feb 29, 2020, 10:49 PM

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The Greater Czechoslovakian Authority,probably means that at some point,the Czech Republic and Slovakia reunified

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Who would win? A War of The Worlds Tripod or a Banished Scarab?

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Doesn't Japan still exist in the Halo universe?

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I think it still does yeah

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Australia still exists even though its flag has changed

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And Calcutta still exists,so would that mean India is still around?

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Anyone?

terse lava Feb 29, 2020, 11:05 PM

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No clue Alucard

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Something I realized on playing halo wars again. How did Regret and Ripa plan on taking apart the forerunner dragoons with Regret gone with the only vessel and flood now digging into the inner areas of the shield world?

versed helm Mar 1, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Well The Flood being there was not part of the original plan

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The assumption usually run with is that the SoF's incursion was responsible for the Flood's breakthrough

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Otherwise, it's fairly natural to assume the Covenant would've underestimated the Flood. Virtually everyone does.

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Not sure what you mean about the Regret point, though.

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 1:11 AM

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I dont think they were underestimating the flood, seeing as they had traveled multiple times into the world with no taint. As for Regret, I brought that up as we see no other covenant vessel besides the destroyer he is on when leaving

versed helm Mar 1, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Well, if you're dealing with any amount of Flood at all and not dropping the hammer on them with all the ordinance you have

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You're underestimating them

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And as for Regret, that just means that the Covenant infrastructure within the Shield World was or was planned to be sufficient to perform the task

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I don't even see that as an issue. That's just the way it panned out.

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Perhaps more Covenant forces were due to arrive following Regret's departure, but Etran blew before they arrived.

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Perhaps all the resources Regret could muster were already there and it was to be a slow process, or we simply never saw the majority of the working apparatus that were involved.

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Not only is it difficult to explore that particular issue further it straight-up doesn't matter.

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Perhaps, don't think we are ever told how public the whole thing was

versed helm Mar 1, 2020, 2:20 AM

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You know how Prophet machinations be.

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Would say its implied it was his own little project

versed helm Mar 1, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Regret may have been a Sangheiliboo but he was far from an honest individual.

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 2:21 AM

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True

simple locust Mar 1, 2020, 2:50 AM

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What are the creatures in tubes during the beginning of Halo Escalation 11 called?

ocean kite Mar 1, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Hey I have a question

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Sorry if it's obvious

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But why do the Halo rings have a habitable surface? With flora and rivers and such

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If what I remember about their creation is still Canon
They were literally just made to wipe out all life in order to stop the flood

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Why waste time with all the flora on it if it's essentially just a weapon?

carmine sleet Mar 1, 2020, 1:39 PM

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They were also intended to serve as places of preservation and research

ocean kite Mar 1, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Ah I see

versed helm Mar 1, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Yes the rings themselves were meant to not only destroy all life but also repopulate it

sharp adder Mar 1, 2020, 2:41 PM

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So technically you could start a colony on a ring

humble yacht Mar 1, 2020, 2:41 PM

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yes

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Installation 07 once had a human colony

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 2:44 PM

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And the forerunner master builder, Faber, had created a primitive human culture on one of the original rings

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Hey, has it ever been said how long it would take a covenant vessel to get from the earth to the ark minus the portal?

humble yacht Mar 1, 2020, 4:02 PM

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it took high charity ~3 weeks to go from Mars to the Ark using normal slipspace travel (though it had been modified for faster speeds). a normal covenant cruiser would probably take considerably longer

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Hm, didnt that one brute who took control of the Sharquoi start out as part of Truth's fleet and later leave during the ark battle? Seemed to imply he didnt use the portal

gilded mason Mar 1, 2020, 5:56 PM

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I think it was said that'd it take several months.

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Ah, here's what the UNSC can do with experimental Forerunner engines:
Leveraging the best slipspace technology we’ve got currently at our disposal—I’m talking about crystal-mediated, Forerunner prototype engines, of which we’re still early in the testing—we’re looking at about a nine- to ten-month travel time.

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So for Covenant, probably a bit shorter

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Always thought around 2 to 3 months

versed helm Mar 1, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Then how did the Spirit of Fire even get to the Lesser Ark without a slipspace drive?

gilded mason Mar 1, 2020, 6:26 PM

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That's the ~mystery~ that was never answered

versed helm Mar 1, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Mendicant Bias maybe?

carmine sleet Mar 1, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Unknown

unique rune Mar 1, 2020, 7:01 PM

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plot magic

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 7:07 PM

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"Neural physics"

versed helm Mar 1, 2020, 7:08 PM

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So what planet is considered to be the Sharquoi home world?

carmine sleet Mar 1, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Unknown

fair hazel Mar 1, 2020, 7:12 PM

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I m going to guess that Orion had a hand in that

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Orion?

fair hazel Mar 1, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Orion Forge

gilded mason Mar 1, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Should probably go with the name people recognize: "Rion" Forge. Otherwise people just get confused.

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Ah her, dont recall her referred to as "Orion" before but I likely overlooked it

fair hazel Mar 1, 2020, 9:07 PM

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I like calling her Orion

gilded mason Mar 1, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Just be mindful people won't understand you without you providing further context. Especially since nobody else ever calls her that.

fair hazel Mar 1, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Well Orion and her crew might have been the ones

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Where did the "Orion" part of her name even come from?

carmine sleet Mar 1, 2020, 9:53 PM

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The Orion Arm. Her parents named her Lucy Orion Forge

jolly furnace Mar 1, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Well we have a Lucy already so we cant call Rion Lucy tp avoid confusioon

versed helm Mar 1, 2020, 10:46 PM

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So who was the "prisoner" that taught the Ussans a form of meditation?

carmine sleet Mar 1, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Unknown

jolly furnace Mar 1, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Huh?

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 11:09 PM

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The Ussan sangheili at one point captured an alien who arrived at their refuge. As others before it, it was. It was not allowed to leave @jolly furnace

jolly furnace Mar 1, 2020, 11:13 PM

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I see

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Thanks

terse lava Mar 1, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Correction, was not allowed to leave

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Looking on that nerfed gun, wondering if covenant children had such things too

torpid flare Mar 2, 2020, 2:21 AM

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What is the deadliest empire in Halo history?

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Forerunner

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They wiped a whole galaxy clean of life

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No kill count is greater

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Flood isn’t really an empire

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Wouldn't the precursors count though? They likely had some type of civilization

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Though if we are going by normal civilizations yea, forerunner

soft stag Mar 2, 2020, 2:49 AM

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you guys think the forerunners liked mcdonalds?

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or do you think they were bigger burger king fans?

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 2:51 AM

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McDonalds, forerunners were vegans and mcD has salads

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Btw we have any books focused on covenant civilian life?

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Does Legacy of Onyx count?

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Ehhh...idk, covenant proper was gone by then

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Then nope

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Darn

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Now that I think about it, I wonder if the jiralhanae were the only sentient beings.on their world. They oddly seem pretty ok with eating other intelligent beings

feral perch Mar 2, 2020, 3:04 AM

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That wouldn't make them any different than any of the other races

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Well you dont see the others doing that, unless they are starving unggoy or kig-yar. Jiralhanae do regularly

feral perch Mar 2, 2020, 3:07 AM

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No, but none of the other races shared their homeworld with other sentient races to start

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Still seems odd they are the only ones we have seen who are happy to chow down and every other race

feral perch Mar 2, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Big galaxy. A race like them was bound to pop up.

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 3:18 AM

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True

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Heh I wonder how they would have fared had humanity found them first

stoic hamlet Mar 2, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Well, Kig-Yar also eat humans without being starving. Seems like it takes a particular type though.

(Of Kig-Yar, not humans, to clarify)

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 9:44 AM

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If your choices were between going hungry to the point of death (not actual death but super unpleasant) and eating a Jackal (which you would get to cook), what would you do?

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 10:14 AM

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Eat the Jackal,they probably taste like chicken

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 1:20 PM

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My point is, the other races only est each other out of desperation. The brutes don't

fair hazel Mar 2, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Huragok eat cake.

stoic hamlet Mar 2, 2020, 5:38 PM

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They’re just good wholesome floaty bois

frozen spire Mar 2, 2020, 6:01 PM

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hot take from reading half of glasslands: Traviss Halsey is a better portrayal even if jarring in change alongside the Nylund books

feral perch Mar 2, 2020, 6:02 PM

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that’s a hot take

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It’s also wrong

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Indeed

feral perch Mar 2, 2020, 6:03 PM

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But having a ~~terrible~~ controversial opinion is part and parcel of lore chat. If you don’t have at least 1 opinion that ruffles somebody’s feathers, why are you even here? ske7ch

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:04 PM

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I liked the First Strike scene screenshotted here (even if the Johnson thing itself is...y'know):
https://twitter.com/DecepticonCobra/status/1232548100717211649

feral perch Mar 2, 2020, 6:06 PM

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That’s extremely revealing of the way they have treated Halsey.

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Yeah

feral perch Mar 2, 2020, 6:06 PM

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I think Halo 5 was a step toward something better with her characterization though

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Yeah x2

feral perch Mar 2, 2020, 6:07 PM

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lol

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Bungie kindaaa started the trend of Halsey being a jerk with her treatment of Noble Team in the end of ONI: Sword Base

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I guess one could make the excuse that she was really stressed out with the whole invasion and these Spartans she didn't have a hand in suddenly came out of nowhere.

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:12 PM

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One could also argue that all the crap she went through after Onyx made her less compassionate

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Seems silly from a writing standpoint. You have her go through this character development where she learns these valuable lessons, and then immediately reverse it?

obsidian thistle Mar 2, 2020, 6:13 PM

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One could argue that hints were seen through Cortana.

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Seeing as she essentially sent Ackerson to his death and ruined his life from his social pov.

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Years pass between her arrest and her arrival at the Record

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Hardly immediate

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Talking more about the audience.

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We see her go through that arc, then we see her for a little bit in Kilo-5 already different, and then its Spartan Ops/Escalation

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Did she really develop between FoR and First Strike? Did she start out cold and logical in FoR and then become more caring over the course of 2 novels?

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:17 PM

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I don't remember how detailed it was. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Seems more like we’re introduced to Halsey at a point in her life when she’s already looking back on her decisions with regret

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I wonder how we get to meet Mendicant Bias in Infinite? Or if they're gonna have Mendicant be mentioned in any way?

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Last we heard of him, he gave his life to get Chief off of I08

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I think he should stay dead. Some records left behind by him would be nice Easter eggs to find in Infinite

obsidian thistle Mar 2, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Ah goodie someone else who noted he could be dead.

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:) I was worried I was alone in that.

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:38 PM

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If you read the terminals then it’s not hard to draw that conclusion

obsidian thistle Mar 2, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Yep.

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:39 PM

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It’s a nice little redemption arc. Would lose impact if he survived

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Paraphrasing, he said something like "At the end of my life, I now betray another master," or something?

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Yes

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Yeah, sounds ded to me

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Certainly expected to die. Which makes sense given the ring was going to fall apart

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No ring, no system to live in

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:40 PM

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unless

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Nope

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:40 PM

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||neural physics||

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:40 PM

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AI can’t use that

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:41 PM

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but neural physics

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Gotta have neurons for that to work

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Simulated neurons. 🙃

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:42 PM

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If I give you simulated water, will you not die of dehydration?

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i’m thirsty, let me boot up Minecraft and fill a bucket or 100

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:43 PM

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works for me, you saying you aren't quenched from that?

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Keep that up for 7 days. Livestream it

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:45 PM

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kay

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:45 PM

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If you don’t stream it then you’ll be arrested for purgery

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:46 PM

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I love sugar, how'd you guess?

fair hazel Mar 2, 2020, 6:54 PM

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AI can't use neural physics?

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Precursor structures used neural physics!

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Could you rephrase what you're trying to say?

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Precursors defy reality so they don’t count

fair hazel Mar 2, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Chimera said AI can't use neural physics right?

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Yeah?

fair hazel Mar 2, 2020, 6:58 PM

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I'm saying a sufficiently advanced AI should be able to use neural physics. Precursors made their structures use neural physics, so a sufficiently advanced AI should be able to use them too.

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 6:59 PM

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I don’t think that’s how it works

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Is it kinda like what the Gravemind used to communicate with Chief in 3?

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Was he using neural physics?

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Maybe, but the gravemind isn’t an AI

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 7:00 PM

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I guess telepathy then?

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 7:00 PM

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We don’t for sure know how the gravemind sent Chief those messages

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 7:00 PM

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I'm just taking shots in the dark honestly?

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Who’s to say telepathy isn’t neural physics on halo

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Good point

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Honestly, I have been watching a few Halo lore vids, mainly watching Hidden Xperia

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Sometimes HaloFollower

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Ugh

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I do not reccomend HaloFollower

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Why not?

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I don’t recommend any of them

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Just curious

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 7:02 PM

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HF specifically is known for click bait and unsourced claims

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Understandable

unique rune Mar 2, 2020, 7:02 PM

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~~And then there was that brief stint where he was straight up copying HiddenXperia's content~~

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Who would you recommend?

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To watch

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I’d recommend the source material tbh

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If that’s not feasible then halopedia

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Halopedia isn’t perfect but it’s community sourced and has been curated for years

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 7:07 PM

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What did you think of the Arbiter's character development?

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I thought it was a classic antagonist turned protagonist kind of development

gilded mason Mar 2, 2020, 7:07 PM

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precious cinnamon roll

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 7:08 PM

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One of the best kinds of developments in my opinion

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Eh

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It’s good but used often

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What you don’t see nearly as much is a good guy gone bad

feral perch Mar 2, 2020, 7:13 PM

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I’d recommend Halo Canon @versed helm

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His tag here is Toa Freak

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I guess Cortana counts as good gone bad

obsidian thistle Mar 2, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Or as Chimera said just use Halopedia and follow the sources on it.

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 7:15 PM

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But I guess that could just be countered with something else

obsidian thistle Mar 2, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Sources are king and wikis are good content pages that make sense of them.

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 7:49 PM

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On the earlier topic, wouldn't we have a single example if an ai using neural physics? Aboddon?

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He was considered a precursor ai

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Precursor stuff doesn’t count. Whatever made Abaddon special was beyond intelligence or processing power

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Also, do we know that any of the abilities Abaddon displayed against Bornstellar and his group were based on neural physics?

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 8:16 PM

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But wasnt his whole thing that he was/in charge of the domain?

last anchor Mar 2, 2020, 8:54 PM

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He IS t he domain, I think.

humble yacht Mar 2, 2020, 9:21 PM

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the gravemind told the librarian that the Domain and the Organon (aka Abaddon) were the same thing. Whether that's true is not fully understood, because it's not like the Gravemind never fudges the truth

last anchor Mar 2, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Riddle me this, Librarian...

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Just wondering, if I recall from Fractures, oni found the catalog that was with librarian, but not her body. Could the reason be just because her body was exposed to any solute, where catalog was pretty much in a sealed suit

versed helm Mar 2, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Is Christmas still celebrated in the Halo universe?

terse lava Mar 2, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Dont see why it wouldn't be

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Btw, rather then us meeting a living precursor, would it be better if we meet an older pre-forerunner race who actually obtained the mantle in their galaxy?

hasty locust Mar 3, 2020, 12:41 AM

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I wanna get some peeps opinions. Do yall prefer the more “ancient” stuff with halo with all the space magic and stuff or do you prefer the more “modern” boots on the ground military parts

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Modern as in the point we are at in-universe not like 2020 in halo

gilded mason Mar 3, 2020, 12:42 AM

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I like the modern setting more

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Though I'm biased. Since the modern setting has Sangheili that aren't just simple 27-year-lifespan people

hasty locust Mar 3, 2020, 12:44 AM

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I prefer the modern stuff more

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I liked how the forerunners and stuff were kept a mystery allowed for the imagination juices to flow

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 12:47 AM

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I would go with ancient and modern. Ancient in this sense like Broken Circle. The forerunner time was pretty good, but there are things of theirs that cant be fully explained due to how advanced they are

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And it kinda ruins the immersion to the setting. The covenant on the other hand, use technology we can better understand and dont live for many thousands if years

hasty locust Mar 3, 2020, 12:57 AM

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Good points

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 1:05 AM

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I think for the forerunner side, cryptum and Defender of the storm did it best as one was from the POV of a young civilian, and the other a warrior servant youth who didnt need to know the high tech stuff a builder would need

dense falcon Mar 3, 2020, 1:06 AM

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In the chronological order of things, when was Reach first mentioned? Did Bungie give any sort of hint of what Reach was before or after Combat Evolved?

hasty locust Mar 3, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Before

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The fall of reach novel came out before CE

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Mhm

hasty locust Mar 3, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Also in CE Cortana says “all the way from reach”

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Also mentioned in the manuel that comes with the game

dense falcon Mar 3, 2020, 1:09 AM

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So the first thing that was made about Halo was The Fall of Reach?

hasty locust Mar 3, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Yep

timid kayak Mar 3, 2020, 1:19 AM

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by about two weeks, yeah

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 1:28 AM

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This may sound a bit weird but wondering something on the great journey. Often it is seen as an actual event that will allow the covenant to become gods. Yet I have noticed other times it almost seems to be referenced as..a being?. Quotes like,
"I need not explain what the Jounrey demands!" From Regret and,
"The journey has blessed him" from Qurlom

dense falcon Mar 3, 2020, 1:31 AM

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"I need not explain what the Jounrey demands!" From Regret

Pretty sure this kind of English doesn't depict the great journey as an entity, it's more like "You need these requirements to participate in the great journey".

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The second sentence... it's really interesting. I think it doesn't depict an entity but an activity, but I don't know how to explain it

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It's where things get poetic :p

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Maybe, i know inner conviction in broken circle thought the forerunners were avatars of a god

hasty locust Mar 3, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Yeah I understand it as more of a thing than an entity but have 0 clue how to explain

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^makes 0 sense but whatever

fair hazel Mar 3, 2020, 3:05 AM

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i like all the settings

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Reasons for?😛 we gave ours

fair hazel Mar 3, 2020, 4:06 AM

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why i like every setting? Halo is this really rich universe where there are so many stories to be told, so many feelings to be felt, it all fits under this one big mythos and every part of the universe is something to be experienced

tender ginkgo Mar 3, 2020, 8:11 AM

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I like both ancient and modern. Ancient gave us stuff like the Precursors and how the Forerunner Ecumene was like while modern gave us Master Chief.

jolly furnace Mar 3, 2020, 12:06 PM

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Actually Gravemind never said the Domain was the Organon. She came to conclusion herself.

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GM just said the Domain was Precursor created and protected by an immense field projected by Precursor architecture - this field was the part that the Forerunners could access.

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And that firing the Halos would destroy the Domain.

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Which almost did happen

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It was heavily damaged.

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GM was trolling her at the moment of her death. Rubbing salt in her wounds.

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 1:28 PM

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That's one thing I wasnt greatly fond of
With the flood in the forerunner trilogy. The fact the gravemind was perfectly fine with the halos going off. Would have preferred the gravemind gloating, before realization hits it. That everything in these final moments, the librarian calling a cure, the battle with Offenaive Bias, was nothing but a trick.

A showing that these all powerful god-like beings were not as great as they thought

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 1:56 PM

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When you look at the gravemind’s response in Halo 3, it never showed fear about the ring firing.

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“Resignation is my virtue; like water I ebb, and flow. Defeat is simply the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved... but you imposed.”

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To the gravemind, the halos just make it have to wait longer to get what it wants. It knows it won’t ever be permanently gone. It’s just a matter of time til it comes back

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Furthermore, given the gravemind’s hatred of the forerunners, giving them the satisfaction of showing them fear or lack of resolve would not be conducive to its goal. Even if it were only faking, it would serve the flood’s interest to sow a seed of doubt in the librarian whether the halo would actually be effective, as a sort of final middle finger to her

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Yes true, but one could argue that the first time he wouldn't be fully sure he could return. Like Cell from dbz thought he would die, and then found out he could reintegrate from a single cell.

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Maybe it's just something I have greatly disliked from the forerunner saga. That these beings, portrayed as utterly alien. Yet they and experienced eons of mortal life, somehow never once had a creation not agree with them and go utterly crazy when their current bodies are wiped out...despite the ability to just pop up as something else however long it takes.

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:16 PM

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to that i would say, read when i say "furthermore..."

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 2:17 PM

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I know, just a bit annoying for me from a narrative standpoint

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:18 PM

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i don't understand the phrasing of your second paragraph

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Yea sorry, just got up so a bit sleepy still. What I am trying to say is, I hate how the precursors are shown as this vast civilization that can do almost anything. Immortal, live multiple lives through whatever they want, and have lived for billions of years. Yet when a single creation revels against them, they decide to just doom an entire galaxy to eternal suffering

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:22 PM

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i don't think the flood was a conscious decision

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Not saying it was

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But they choose to use it as a tool for suffering rather then...just moving on I guess?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:23 PM

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most descriptions say the dust corrupted over time. The Flood are closer to the vengeful ghost of precursors rather than an actual precursor

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well the flood was doing what it was doing well before the Primordial joined it

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and all throughout that time, the Primordial had been in prison, before finally being time cycled to death by the Didact

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as far as we know, living precursors didn't share a hive mind, and were individuals, so the Primordial could have been just one particularly salty precursor

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 2:29 PM

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That is something I have often wondered, if the entire flood thing was purely one precursor seeking vengeance. But even that seems... very petty

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:31 PM

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well like i said, initial infection was not planned. a few precursors unintentionally lost their way and started spreading as an infection instead of regenerating into normal precursors. and they evolved into the flood, and the primordial was just watching that from afar for eons like "This is fine"

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 2:37 PM

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This man speaking fax

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But the Flood's gravemind "mind" is basically the Primordial's mind, right?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:40 PM

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no, the gravemind and the primordial existed separately for a time

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the primordial joined the gravemind upon its physical death

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 2:41 PM

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What if it's possible that the Andromeda Galaxy fell to the Flood?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:42 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Didn't Halopedia say that the Precursors seeded countless galaxies with life over the course of eons

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:45 PM

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yes

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 2:45 PM

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So what if some of those galaxies already fell to the Flood?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:45 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 2:46 PM

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And also,didn't it also say that the Precursors also wiped out races that failed their so called "test"?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:47 PM

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it's more that the precursors regularly created and wiped out species as experiments

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 2:48 PM

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And if humanity manages to obtain the Mantle,what would prevent them from going down the same path as the Forerunners?

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Or if they do obtain it,would they just abandon it because they saw how it caused the Forerunners to become arrogant,leading to the eventual destruction of their civilization

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:49 PM

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who says humanity would even accept the mantle

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Do they even know what the Mantle is?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:54 PM

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yes

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the unsc understands the idea of the mantle

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Also,when was the Juridical node on Mars established?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 2:56 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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have you searched halopedia?

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Yep

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If the UNSC/SOS managed to discover Maethrillian or what's left of it,what would they do with it?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 3:00 PM

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reboot the domain

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would probably be a good start

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 3:00 PM

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In order to possibly neutralize or kill Cortana

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 3:00 PM

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pretty much

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 3:01 PM

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When it does come to that,will John kill her or find some way to save her?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 3:01 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Considering all the people she's killed,i think he wouldn't forgive her at this point

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 3:02 PM

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it's not like those are the only two options

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 3:08 PM

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It still annoys as to how they wasted the Ur-Didact's potential like that,imho,he could've been as iconic as John

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 4:02 PM

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March 3, 2553

agile dragon Mar 3, 2020, 4:06 PM

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My brain went: Release date??
Oh wait, wrong year......

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 4:06 PM

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You know what date that is

agile dragon Mar 3, 2020, 4:10 PM

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That cutscene QQ

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Wondering, do you think Adequate-Observer survived the halo pulse with how deep.he was in the gas giant? We saw.council members survived inside the depths of the forerunner capital

cloud trellis Mar 3, 2020, 5:08 PM

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ao in the military is it marine to odst to spartan ?

jolly furnace Mar 3, 2020, 5:25 PM

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@terse lava The ones in the capital probably hid in slipspace stasised-off areas. Maybe the other guy did too. But if your thinking the atmosphere of the gas giant or physical matter being between someone and the pulse would save someone from a Halo pulse then no they wouldn't.

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 5:34 PM

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We are never told how the council members survived, it very well could have been sheer depth as the capital in its defense form was a giant sphere the size of jupiter

jolly furnace Mar 3, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Im making a guess thats how

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Sheer depth won't save u from a halo pulse

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doesnt work like that

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Unless ur behind a temporally displaced region of space or a neural physical construction, ur dead

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Fair point I guess, though now wondering, anyone notice hw the the forerunner found plenty of precursor relics, but none of any early advanced races?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 5:59 PM

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who says they didn't find other stuff

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seems that any non-precursor stuff simply wouldn't be relevant to the narrative and thusly not mentioned

jolly furnace Mar 3, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Im sure some of the stuff in the Myterium is filled with stuff from other alien species besides Precursors

cloud trellis Mar 3, 2020, 6:18 PM

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wait so, how does promotions go in the military in halo?

jolly furnace Mar 3, 2020, 6:19 PM

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uh like in real life

cloud trellis Mar 3, 2020, 6:44 PM

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no in halo, like marines, odst people, aned spartans

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 6:47 PM

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He means getting a military promotion in Halo is similar to real life

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Halo characters get promoted for valor, experience, etc.

brittle ruin Mar 3, 2020, 6:50 PM

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ODST are probably selected from experienced marines, but not all marines who get promotions become ODST

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it's more of a special operation branch

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I wouldn't call going from marine to ODST a promotion

gentle shadow Mar 3, 2020, 6:51 PM

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You volunteer to become an ODST.

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 6:51 PM

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you don't get promoted into Navy Seals

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you apply to be a ODST

brittle ruin Mar 3, 2020, 6:52 PM

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yeah

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same thing for spartan 4

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 6:53 PM

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technically spartan IVs are scouted and recruited

brittle ruin Mar 3, 2020, 6:53 PM

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yeah but it's still not a promotion

gentle shadow Mar 3, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Yeah but they have the option to deny or accept.

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 6:53 PM

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sure

carmine sleet Mar 3, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Buck denied the first offer he was given to be an S-IV, it was only when Jun came back and offered him a second time that he accepted

gentle shadow Mar 3, 2020, 6:57 PM

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That's because he didn't want to be separated from his team.

carmine sleet Mar 3, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Indeed

winter geode Mar 3, 2020, 8:31 PM

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ODST and S4s are pulled from all branches and are strictly volunteers
I think I read somewhere that some S4s are recruited straight from basic if they are designated as potential candidates, but I cant fully remember

tender ginkgo Mar 3, 2020, 9:04 PM

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was rereading the scene when Iso is ready to fire Halo and its insane how he could hear them go off before they were even activated. That's just how insane the Halo arrays were.

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Not hear, but alpha did report a pre-echo thanks to the pulse traveling at infinite speed

hasty locust Mar 3, 2020, 9:44 PM

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So marines can apply to be ODST like a soldier trying to be a special operative and S4’s are scouted like when a sports team is trying to find new players

timid kayak Mar 3, 2020, 9:51 PM

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pretty much

honest rune Mar 3, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Do ODST's have any supplies to last them like food or water?

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 9:58 PM

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maybe

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depends on the mission, porbably

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Due to the means of their deployment

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Often their overall time in the field would be reduced

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But The Flood (the CE novelization) definitely alluded to their supply arrangements.

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Not only is each pod generally decently stocked, but I think (from The Cole Protocol) they oftentimes drop with dedicated supply pods.

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 10:07 PM

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i'm sure they could carry a protein bar or two in their pouches

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 10:07 PM

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I do recall that a commander's pod has a beacon for everyone else to rally too

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Oh yeah

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And rule of UNSC material advancement

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(all the UNSC's materials are based on ours but better)

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Dictates that their ration bars are also super nutrient dense

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But also apparently taste really, absolutely awful

humble yacht Mar 3, 2020, 10:08 PM

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i bet

versed helm Mar 3, 2020, 10:08 PM

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This from Glasslands

olive citrus Mar 3, 2020, 10:33 PM

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4

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 10:34 PM

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?

terse lava Mar 3, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Wonder what passes for covenant rations, seeing as they dont appear to carry anything on their person unless in a backpack

abstract venture Mar 4, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Portable food nipples

hasty locust Mar 4, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Yeah, it’s a weird name for sure but it’s real

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Well yea the unggoy do have that, but have not seen anything for kig-yar, sangheili, or jiralhanae

tender ginkgo Mar 4, 2020, 12:55 AM

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The Kig-yar and Jiralhanae probably eat the bodies of their enemies since they do that if I recall correctly. Don't know about Sanghelli.

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Well yea the unggoy do have that, but have not seen anything for kig-yar, sangheili, or jiralhanae
Incorrect soldier
Sangheili, kig yar, qnd jiralhanae alike speak of getting back to the food nipple
Confidence of rations should have been delivered to your squadrons
Pay more attention in training or your commander will have your head

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 1:20 AM

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citation needed

winter geode Mar 4, 2020, 1:21 AM

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ODST are recruited from all branches
Army, Marines, Navy, Air force, and even grandfathered in from some militias

Due to ODST being dropped brhund enemy lines and the means of entering the AO, they carry limited supplies

The common ODST Has minor biological modification to aide them in combat scenarios such as metabolism boosters to reduce hunger and the amount of energy gained from food eaten, and injections to aide in the clotting of blood and reduce the chance of bleeding out, as well as calcium being used to reinforce their skeletal structure although not the the extent of a Spartan, So they can take more damage from deployment, to combat

unique rune Mar 4, 2020, 1:31 AM

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The common ODST Has minor biological modification to aide them in combat scenarios
That... doesn't sound right.

versed helm Mar 4, 2020, 1:32 AM

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because it's not

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ODST have no augmentations

stoic hamlet Mar 4, 2020, 1:32 AM

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They’ve got nothing.

timid kayak Mar 4, 2020, 1:36 AM

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☝️

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ODSTs are just exceptionally badass but otherwise normal humans.

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 1:51 AM

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@novel plankonly unggoy consume food nipples, none of the other races touch them.

winter geode Mar 4, 2020, 1:51 AM

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I could have sworn they did

drifting beacon Mar 4, 2020, 1:52 AM

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So the MA5B and MA37s have the ammo counters, I know that much, but what is the rest of the upper reciever for?

stoic hamlet Mar 4, 2020, 1:52 AM

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The MA37 seemingly has a laser sight

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Or some kind of sensor

drifting beacon Mar 4, 2020, 1:54 AM

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That one at least makes sense

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The MA5B, C, and D all lack such a feature

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I'd hate to carry all that extra bulk

stoic hamlet Mar 4, 2020, 1:57 AM

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Assuming the picture in Mythos depicting Fred and an S-III on Onyx is what I think it is (unlikely though) it seems if you remove the cowling there’s a rail underneath.

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 1:57 AM

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@novel plankonly unggoy consume food nipples, none of the other races touch them.
Well the Jul Mdama's filthy Storm Covenant used them
During many of the main conflicts involving them during the Guardian attacks at the beginning of Cortana's control, sangheili troopers spoke of being hungry and being excited to "get back to the food nipples" (legit, real voice lines)

I suppose that idiotic faction hardly matters or accounts for the highest days of the prophet's rule

winter geode Mar 4, 2020, 1:58 AM

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That's where the digital ammo counter is mounted

stoic hamlet Mar 4, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Yeah. If you remove the cowling in its entirety there’s a rail underneath.

winter geode Mar 4, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Yee

drifting beacon Mar 4, 2020, 1:59 AM

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So you're telling me that in 2552, you need that much space to count your ammo?

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Exactly

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So my question is, what's the Cowling for?

stoic hamlet Mar 4, 2020, 1:59 AM

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It could carry tools?

winter geode Mar 4, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Ergonomic ?

stoic hamlet Mar 4, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Cleaning supplies?

winter geode Mar 4, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Aesthetics

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The world may never know

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I know for a fact that brutes eat anyway they can

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Allies included

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Grunts have food nipple

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Kig yar are omnivorous

drifting beacon Mar 4, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Brutes and Jackals will eat whatever they can get their hands on

winter geode Mar 4, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Yee

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 2:01 AM

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@novel plankinteresting, wouldn't that only count as a bit of funny dialogue?

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 2:02 AM

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maybe it was IWHBYD dialogue

winter geode Mar 4, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Food nipple is hardcore lore

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Sadly yipyap isnt

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Yea, thinking IWHBYD talk

winter geode Mar 4, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Sangheli (can't remeber exact spelling) are also omnivorous

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But that's not saying much

drifting beacon Mar 4, 2020, 2:05 AM

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They're Omnivorous, but not Scavengers

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Indeed, the worst we have seen of them was Tem and his men asking Nizat if they could eat a nearby human. All the sangheili were at this point just skin and bone. Even then Nizat said no, and the others obeyed

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 2:15 AM

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@novel plankinteresting, wouldn't that only count as a bit of funny dialogue?
Perhaps
Maybe they were just on the drug dubbed "IWHBYD"

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Indeed, the worst we have seen of them was Tem and his men asking Nizat if they could eat a nearby human. All the sangheili were at this point just skin and bone. Even then Nizat said no, and the others obeyed
Even if they have food covered via the remains of their enemies, they must still gain water and other nutrients soldiers need
Therefore they have to have a food station
Perhaps before the downfall of the covenant only the grunts called their food stations that; lowly speak, and the Storm Covenant began to use the same talk for loss of better, more pronounced words the higher races use to use
The Storm covenant might also have to share it's lowly rations, whereas grunts in the real covenant had slop and the elites ate from their food stations like kings (segregation, I mean)

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 2:25 AM

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They obviously had food at their camps and vessels, but none being carried on their person on the field is what I find odd

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 3:12 AM

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They obviously had food at their camps and vessels, but none being carried on their person on the field is what I find odd
Covenant troops are countless
Rations are too thin, or rather, dont need to be given so graciously to the peasants... Enough that they could port in large, packable portions

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Where are you getting this information?

sharp adder Mar 4, 2020, 4:13 AM

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no clue

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 4:15 AM

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La sigh im not
But elites have no where on their armor to put rations

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Therefore they must have to use portable storages

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And we can conclude that a merciless hierarchy such as the covenant would not merely share food evenly to the minor rankings

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 4:22 AM

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True, although I dont think anyone was implying that various rations and foods would be shared among the covenant races

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 4:41 AM

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True, although I dont think anyone was implying that various rations and foods would be shared among the covenant races
I was, for the ragtag armies we fight in the Requiem and Guardian conflicts
I'm saying that maybe the reason for those voice lines is because they are so low on food and supplies that they even have to share with unggoy

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 5:03 AM

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So they all use the same machine and name it indifferently

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 5:12 AM

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As Chim and myself said earlier, its likely just IWHBYD talk but I could see your idea having merit as well

versed helm Mar 4, 2020, 12:31 PM

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What an entrepreneur

winter geode Mar 4, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Favorite tid bit of lore
The entire story of Admiral Cole is mine

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 3:46 PM

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If I had to choose one single thing....first half if broken circle

fair hazel Mar 4, 2020, 4:34 PM

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There is no such thing as storm covenant.

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 4:35 PM

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12+ hours later....

fair hazel Mar 4, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Primordial Time.

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 4:48 PM

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A pity though that h4 for and 5 did not give the faction its own proper name

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Covenant is a proper name

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I mean their own unique.name

mild dock Mar 4, 2020, 4:51 PM

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The covenant in Halo 4 still believed in the prophets “great journey”

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 4:51 PM

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nope

mild dock Mar 4, 2020, 4:51 PM

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That’s why they remained as the covenant.

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 4:51 PM

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wrongo

mild dock Mar 4, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Wat?

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 4:52 PM

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The only thing they still believed was that the Forerunners were gods

mild dock Mar 4, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Didn’t the covenant always see the forerunners as gods?

thorn linden Mar 4, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Regardless of their view as Gods, the Didacts Hand wasn’t after “The Great Journey” he was only after the treasures that the Forerunners had left behind by way of the Librarian

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 4:54 PM

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that and a way to get revenge on humanity

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(well, that's what Jul wanted)

fair hazel Mar 4, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Didact was a big help in fortifying his hold further

thorn linden Mar 4, 2020, 4:55 PM

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If you watched the cinema scenes for Halo 4 you’d remember Jul being upset at Halsey for contacting the Librarian instead of him cuz the whole goal was to find the info himself

mild dock Mar 4, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Lmao Jul kept getting jebaited in spartan ops 😂

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 4:56 PM

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i'm sure his desires for seeking forerunner artifacts was to find something he could use against humanity

mild dock Mar 4, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I feel like if Jul had met the librarian she wouldn’t have given him the knowledge he desired because he wasn’t human

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 5:02 PM

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probably true

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he may not have been able to even trigger her remnant to appear

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I would think that she would appear if only to help him see the error of his ways and to and stop the aggression against humanity

fair hazel Mar 4, 2020, 5:03 PM

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He did attempt using humans on requiem

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Now that I think about it, odd that she did not appear to him before

fair hazel Mar 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Not like he’d be swayed

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Jul was an atheist leading a religious faction

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 5:11 PM

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jul was driven by vengeance

thorn linden Mar 4, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Jul was denied by the Librarian. He tried to meet her but couldn’t. The shield keeps him away, Halsey in the movie says “It requires a touch a little more... human” or something along those lines

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Jul was an atheist leading a religious faction
Aren't all covenant leaders, new and/or old

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 5:18 PM

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no

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Regret, Mercy, and Truth legit believed in the Great Journey

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esp Mercy

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Yea, the original covenant's leaders were quite devout

brittle ruin Mar 4, 2020, 5:40 PM

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I like to think truth might have had doubts, but he had too much pride to let go

hoary stream Mar 4, 2020, 5:55 PM

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^after reading some of the books, I think thats very accurate to say

dusky kindle Mar 4, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Yeah

brittle ruin Mar 4, 2020, 5:57 PM

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which was the prophet again that ordered the attack on harvest after their artifact detector flagged the entire human pop as reclaimers

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Truth

hoary stream Mar 4, 2020, 5:59 PM

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I don't entirely remember since it's been awhile, but I do remember the line "the destruction of your species is the will of the gods and we are their instrument" was said in contact harvest so that makes me think truth

brittle ruin Mar 4, 2020, 6:00 PM

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yeah so he had the info from the beginning and preferred to cover it up

quaint hearth Mar 4, 2020, 6:00 PM

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whats the weird protrusion on the magnum

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the thing thats above the barrel

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:00 PM

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the slide

gilded mason Mar 4, 2020, 6:00 PM

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All three hierarchs knew, not just Truth.

brittle ruin Mar 4, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I always assumed it's a camera that links into your helmet for aiming, since it doesn't have an actual scope

gilded mason Mar 4, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Though yeah, Truth's the one who actually decided on genocide.


The Vice Minister’s lower lip quavered. “Are you serious?”

“Quite.”```

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 6:07 PM

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I love how regret was hesitant

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Yet later he became almost fully dedicated to the cause

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:08 PM

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he was the Minister of Hesitance?

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 6:08 PM

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No no, just a typo, he was hesitant to go with the plan at first as seen there

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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oh, ok

gilded mason Mar 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Yet later he became almost fully dedicated to the cause
If ya can't beat 'em, be an ardent supporter. 👍

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Regret, Mercy, and Truth legit believed in the Great Journey
Until they didnt

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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they never stopped believing in it

gilded mason Mar 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Except for Truth, perhaps

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Regret kept believing in it even after death

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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The fact that reclaimers existed means some of the ancients didnt pass on thru their "great journey"

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I don't buy that whole "truth didn't believe" theory

gilded mason Mar 4, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Just goin' by what he said on The Ark and his words to Johnson.

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Can you quote it ostral?

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:12 PM

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the fact that reclaimers existed didn't mean the Great Journey wasn't real. It just meant the idea that all who were worthy would transcend wasn't necessarily true. Which would mean the Covenant would have no guarantee on their salvation

gilded mason Mar 4, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Ark:
I opened the portal to this hallowed place, this shelter from Halo's fire, in the hopes that more of our Covenant would join us. Alas, save for a rabble of Heretics and their Demon allies, we are all that remains on this new world. So we must temper joy and sorrow in our hearts, for those who were left behind.

To Johnson:
I admit, I need your help. But that secret dies with all the rest.

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:12 PM

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which would break the covenant

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Ah but he still believed there was some semblance of salvation then, chim?

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:13 PM

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yes

gilded mason Mar 4, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Yeah, they learned this at the start of the war, so they all still had faith

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:14 PM

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at the very least, he believed he was still worthy

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Ark:
I opened the portal to this hallowed place, this shelter from Halo's fire, in the hopes that more of our Covenant would join us. Alas, save for a rabble of Heretics and their Demon allies, we are all that remains on this new world. So we must temper joy and sorrow in our hearts, for those who were left behind.

To Johnson:
I admit, I need your help. But that secret dies with all the rest.
That sounds pretty solid
"Halo's fire"
Sounds like at some point during halo 2 he figured it out

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:14 PM

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unlikely during

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Well after then lol

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Remember he told Tartarus to fire I05 while he was still in the galaxy

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that's suicide

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Good point
Id love to figure out how he discovered the coughcough truth

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:15 PM

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maybe he didn't

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seems to just be a disconnect in writing

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just like there was a disconnect in Truth's portrayal between 2 and 3

gilded mason Mar 4, 2020, 6:16 PM

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If only Staten wrote Halo 3. Alas.

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 6:17 PM

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seems to just be a disconnect in writing
Thats literally most of the halo games, especially microsofts junk
Then they rewrite the lore to make an excuse

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 6:17 PM

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infinite hasn't come out yet

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you don't know if its disconnected

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Typo

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I dunno what i said lmao

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My point is, obviously it was a disconnect i understood that the whole time
But truth could easily be smoothly shoehorned around it to have figured out somehow
It would make even more sense for the ark being his priority; to get most of the covenant to a safe place and then blast most of the human race and the flood to oblivion via the ark

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Well by halo 3 despite loosing his marbles, truth does seem to have reconciled what mendicant said about humanity. "You were weak, and gods, must be strong." Showing simply that these "weak forerunners" lacked faith

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 7:25 PM

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that line suggests he still believed in the idea of transcendence

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Yep, that's what I was saying

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 7:29 PM

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though what comes before: "Your forefathers wisely set aside their compassion; steeled themselves for what needed to be done", makes me wonder what he was talking about

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I assumed pretty much going on the great journey. While their knowledge wasnt complete, I would think the covenant knew how the forerunners viewed the mantle. With the rings going off, they would obtain godhood, but leave all their charges behind

feral perch Mar 4, 2020, 7:32 PM

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It sounds like the firing of the array and killing all life present in the galaxy. The Flood needed to die.

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 7:32 PM

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yea it does sound more like that

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but then he follows up with "I see now why they left you behind"

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this is why thinking critically about halo is bad

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Only when it comes to halo 3 dialogue

feral perch Mar 4, 2020, 7:33 PM

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I agree with you there

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Thinking critically about an FPS game can lead to unnecessary frustration

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 7:34 PM

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shrug depends on the topic at hand

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I enjoyed the topic a while back on the whole covenant belief system, though guess it would be frustrating to others

feral perch Mar 4, 2020, 7:43 PM

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It did

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The force knocked him off, but he didn’t take any actual damage lol

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Chief shoved it in a crevice

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 7:45 PM

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the grenade exploded. Didact was stunned from the blow. He staggered back and lost his footing

feral perch Mar 4, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Good thing he wasn’t Spider-Man

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Nope

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 7:47 PM

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he can't lift himself with constraint fields?

carmine sleet Mar 4, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Because he is very large

feral perch Mar 4, 2020, 7:48 PM

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I mean I doubt he’s gonna pull a Mary Poppins... y’all

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I never liked Black Team but they shouldn’t have died that way

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or 20+ Spartans at the Fall of Reach

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Or Kurt

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Or 598 Spartan-IIIs

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or several S-IVs

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Or most of the S-II washouts

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Or Grace, or Will, or Li or Anton or Joshua...

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So yeah, Spartans never die except when they die a lot

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Or Cal, or Daisy

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There’s around 900+ S-IIIs living and dead

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Kurt had a math test? How did he do?
He bombed it

feral perch Mar 4, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Lol what. Yeah, we did see Daisy’s corpse

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She ded

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We did

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She’s dead

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I hate that line

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It’s incredibly overused. It’s getting cringey.

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yes/no/maybe so

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Nope

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Canon limbo

humble yacht Mar 4, 2020, 8:51 PM

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not that we've seen

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Does Jun have PTSD?
What gave you such an impression?

versed helm Mar 4, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Yeah lol

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I’ve been wait so long to have people who I can talk to about halo lore and now this exists big happy

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Yaya

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Whats your fav book?

fair hazel Mar 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Silentium and legacy of onyx

versed helm Mar 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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I’d have to say ether the flood or fall of reach

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But Cole protocol was pretty good

novel plank Mar 4, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Ah catching up on old gen
Read contact harvest and ghosts of onyx

versed helm Mar 4, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Noice

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Broken circle and covenant parts of silent storm and Oblivion. Ghosts of Onyx too

versed helm Mar 4, 2020, 9:49 PM

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👌

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 10:07 PM

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I did enjoy The Flood too, expanded the original game pretty good in my eyes

stoic hamlet Mar 4, 2020, 10:21 PM

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The flood is underrated IMO

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Mhm agreed, it showed us a decent covenant side, what the marines had been up too, and even chief's reactions when facing the flood

wary atlas Mar 4, 2020, 10:24 PM

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The Ghosts of Onyx was a good read as well

stoic hamlet Mar 4, 2020, 10:25 PM

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The Flood gets a lot of flak for its portrayal of John (and rightly so) but it’s nice to have an actual canon depiction of events.

thorn linden Mar 4, 2020, 10:25 PM

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^

wary atlas Mar 4, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Are the newer books worth the read?

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Of course

stoic hamlet Mar 4, 2020, 10:25 PM

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And yeah, Ghosts is my favourite, still is

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They’re all pretty good

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Ghosts was my favorite until Broken circle came. I did love the forerunner saga too, but too high tech to get really immersed in

wary atlas Mar 4, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Thought how Johnson got laid at the end of First Contact was funny as hell

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Kinda

thorn linden Mar 4, 2020, 10:27 PM

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“I know what the ladies like”

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Oh yes you do Sarge

wary atlas Mar 4, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Does that mean he had armor plating on at the time

thorn linden Mar 4, 2020, 10:28 PM

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^^^^

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Facts

wary atlas Mar 4, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Playing with this new headset and on pc on Reach with IWHBYD active and actually hearing all the marine lines was soo great

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The Elites actually go wubalubbalub and i cant get over it

versed helm Mar 4, 2020, 10:49 PM

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That’s cool

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Why is the Warthog constantly described as being 6 meters in length? I just measured it in H2A forge with the MA5D, and it barely stretched beyond 4.5

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Or in other words, the length of your typical pickup

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Well Spartans and the warthogs are pretty bigger in size

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What? The assault rifle is exactly 100cm

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Well, at least that’s what Halopedia states

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Though after seeing how they describe the hog, I’m dubious of everything now lol

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Some images of it though, seem to line up with that size - though not often

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Likely just different variants of the hog

sterile sphinx Mar 4, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Bungie didnt really care about proportion as long as it looked cool

versed helm Mar 4, 2020, 11:07 PM

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A gun is a gun don’t make it difficult

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Sorry Donk, its classified

sterile sphinx Mar 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Was Jun in a binary squad when he was a headhunter?

terse lava Mar 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Likely though just various forerunner tech integrated to allow the weapons to operate like that

sterile sphinx Mar 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Yeah

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He doesn't talk much about it and it's very classified but yeah he used to be a headhunter

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Emile seems more like a really violent assassin imo

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He doesn't look like he'd be very stealthy

versed helm Mar 4, 2020, 11:18 PM

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I think Emile could be a headhunter.

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There is a certain boldness required.

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But the way he behaves and fights in Reach is more just, in the manner of shock infantry.

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Taking and holding positions with extreme violence, speed and aggression.

stoic hamlet Mar 4, 2020, 11:24 PM

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AAG fits him more

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So him having the shoulder plate seems evidence enough of where he was before Noble

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 12:06 AM

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@terse lava apprently there is an “S” model of the Warthog measured at 4.7 meters in length, which perfectly aligns with the numbers I was getting

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(Also in Reach forge). It seems like the gameplay hog is smaller than the one being described so much in lore books lol

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In-game scale is generally not something you should pay attention to

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But by the same token

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The lore regarding scale is also not worth agonizing over, mostly

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Just

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Don't think about scale

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We need a little more Warfleet-esque lore before we do

scarlet hinge Mar 5, 2020, 12:30 AM

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In Halo 3, they derived the Warthog sizing from the in-game model (and the other stats like speed an acceleration too)

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however, when guns are placed on the ground in the games they're scaled up slightly from their proper dimensions to make them easier to see from a gameplay standpoint

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so you can't really go off that

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@versed helm

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but at this point at least a dozen sources have all given the same factual info regarding Warthog dimensions

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so I'd trust all of those rather than in-game scaling

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Then that means it’s even smaller, going my that scaling

scarlet hinge Mar 5, 2020, 12:32 AM

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either way

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the stated lore dimensions often don't match what you say in game

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but the warthog's dimensions have been given in many different sources pretty consistently

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Just because something is said a lot, doesn’t give it any more weight. Many sources that have just been repeated from unreliable source books haven’t been given much forethought even several years later

scarlet hinge Mar 5, 2020, 12:34 AM

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...or the games are unreliable scale

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which they are

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because they routinely change things for gameplay effect

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plus those such dimensions are still given in newer material such as

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/vehicles/warthog
https://www.halopedia.org/images/4/4f/Halo_shirt_-_M12B_Warthog_schematics.jpg
Plus the outpost discovery Warthog stats and the Loot Crate Data Drop

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the only EU source you can really say is unreliable in that regard is the encyclopedia but there's many other sources saying the same thing both before and after

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Even bungie was saying it (well before the encyclopedia came out mind, so this is before the book that took info from halopedia came out. In other words, even if the info was taken from halopedia in the Encyclopedia, the info on Halopedia is taken straight from the devs anyway) http://halo.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BAGwarthog

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Wondering, with Fal's heresy, was the Chavam bloodline wiped out?

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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It’s possible

gilded mason Mar 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Don't think so.

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We've got Silset and Oebrin ‘Chava in the SoS

versed helm Mar 5, 2020, 1:46 AM

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Good point

terse lava Mar 5, 2020, 1:46 AM

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But those arent his bloodline