coz i heard from peeps said that C709 not suitable for normal atmosphere
#lore-and-universe
strong sage
carmine sleet
You've played Halo 3, right? Because we see Longswords in atmosphere in Halo 3
And in Combat Evolved, Chief used one to escape Installation 04 that was kept in the Autumn's hangar. He had to fly through the ring's atmosphere to reach space
strong sage
Isnt the one on halo 3 ish C712 variant no?
Yes the one chief uses to escape is C709 the space variant ^^
Im just wondering what will happened if the C709 flies on the normal atmosphere as it was a space variant so i was under assumption that it will fly with difficulties or something idk
versed helm
The idea is that one of them is more suitable for atmospheric manoeuvring
Not necessarily that one is bad for it
The C709 variant is designed to apply force in exoatmospheric engagements. It is armed with a 110mm rotary cannon.[1] Despite its focus on exoatmospheric combat, the C709 features large air intakes and a non-polarized canopy.[8][9]
The C712 variant (designated SS-110 by the UNSC Air Force),[34] specializes in short-range atmospheric/exoatmospheric (A/X) strike runs. It can carry an assortment of missile and mine delivery systems. The C712 features a large, polarized canopy and integrated air intakes.[10][11][12]
Still kinda hoping they retcon down the size of the C709 so it's less extreme
Not that it really matters
CE's PoA level design stopped being canon the moment Bungie accepted the pixel-measured size as canon
Clearly whoever designed it wanted it to be a fair bit bigger
jolly furnace
@versed helm humanity and gender? What about it?
jolly furnace
never watched that movie
versed helm
A sort of gritty, dirty sense of humanistic realism
strong sage
Ahhhhhhh thankies for explaining fam ^^
versed helm
Sorta showing the personal stresses of what Halo implies
And trying to depict women in combat in an optimistic but grounded way
strong sage
But still overall c709 can be used on normal atsphere rght?
versed helm
Ye ye
It'd just be a bit unwieldly because of how huge it is
But it also brings some ridiculous firepower
Like a 110mm rotary cannon
rustic rampart
In halo 2, the prophet of true says the council is on halo examining the icon when chief is on high charity pursuing truth. If he's referring to the high council, does this mean they were not on high charity before it was overtaken by the flood and if so, what happened to that council?
do they get picked up by the swords of sanghelios or do they just chill on the ring forever? they just seem to disappear after that
or do the science dudes who go to delta halo after the events of halo 3 find a few hundred dead elites and san shyuum dudes
carmine sleet
Ok, first off, they weren't examining the Icon, they were going to the control room
Second, many of the council were killed by Brutes as part of Truth's plan to replace the Elites. We see some councillors during the final mission when we free them from their cells as Arbiter, then later helping us against Tartarus
carmine sleet
During the Battle of Installation 05, the San'Shyuum and Sangheili High Councilors were to meet in the Control Room of Installation 05 to make preparations for the activation of the installation. However, only some of the Sangheili Councilors and former Honor Guards — particularly those who opposed the Changing of the Guard, but were unwilling to resign from their positions - had arrived at the Control Room. A large contingent of Jiralhanae, led by Captain Melchus, entered the Control Room and proceeded to massacre the Councilors, as part of the High Prophet of Truth's plan to replace Sangheili with Jiralhanae in Covenant
From Halopedia
rustic rampart
so in the control room, we should have a good pile of dead bodys
time to go digging boys, hands slipstream a shovel
versed helm
How old is Margaret Parangosky right now?
carmine sleet
Have you considered the idea that they would've moved the bodies, Bob
Also, emphasis on the part where it says some of them arrived, not all
jolly furnace
Just throw the bodies down the control room pit or into the ocean or another room
Simple
rustic rampart
@carmine sleet why would they move them if they're going to the after life?
carmine sleet
Because they don't want bodies in the control room
terse lava
The book broken circle shows the moment. Few of the guards were actually armed, and the bodies were indeed thrown into the pit. Only reason they are not there in H2 or H2A would be a waste of processing power
jolly furnace
Also ur not really meant to jump into the pit or see the bottom during gameplay so
Also H2 was before that novel
terse lava
Yes but logically one would assume if the counxliers had been murdered there there would be bodies in the pit
versed helm
Knowing the Brutes,some of them probably ate the bodies
How many instances are there of Covenant members eating each other for food?
And also,will we ever get any new lore on the Human-Forerunner wars?
simple locust
So could there ever be a Halo game where the UNSC are the enemy? Like maybe have them be like the US in the Korean war and the Vietnam War?
So could there ever be a Halo game where the UNSC are the enemy? Like maybe have them be like the US in the Korean war and the Vietnam War?
versed helm
We may never know
Um..why was that posted twice?
So whatever happened to Marontik?
simple locust
It glitched out or something for a second but I'm not sure.
Also how many people did the Koslovics kill?
dusky kindle
I don't know
terse lava
No one knows
simple locust
Who were their leaders? Also who led the Frieden troops?
versed helm
Well, the Koslovic movement was initiated by a dude named Koslov
And Frieden means peace.
That's all the insight I have.
A Halopedia search can work wonders
Frieden leader ^
terse lava
Would be nice if 343 gave us details on those 2 Covenant wars that are hinted at with the h3 commando harness
hasty locust
So glad the infinite hog is back to the hexagon shield
Sure the square is more practical in a lore sense but the hexagon looks more sci-fi
Im actually super curious how they’re gonna explain these changes in lore
abstract venture
Spartans are hexagon shape so it's easier for them to hide behind it
hasty locust
Well I mean why would they replace new gear with inferior designs
versed helm
Because as I said, no gear ever really gets replaced
So there'll always be older kit in use alongside newer stuff
Inferior or not
That's just the way the canon is
The UNSC used the MA37, MA5B, MA5C and MA5D side by side for the entire Covenant War
Odds are, the M41 LAAGs are still common even with the M46 and M343A2 around
M46s were used on Earth during the Battle of New Mombasa in H2A, but M41s were being used at Voi a month or so later. Go figure.
And yes, it is a bit of a madhouse
That's what happens when you canonize iterative art designs
last anchor
Also doesnt help that the UNSC is so bloody big AND most of its equipment refuses to break because Misrah builds its stuff TOUGH.
If it aint broke, dont fix it. If the weapon you have is a century old but still shreds covies well...
versed helm
Compatibility is my issue
last anchor
Ammunition mostly?
versed helm
I feel like often the variants are too alien to one another
last anchor
Oh like how the M41 looks nothing like the M343?
Yet apperently fires the same round?
versed helm
MA5s ought to be able to share magazines, is the gist of my meaning.
I feel that when we get a new set of designs
The old ones should be presumed to canonically alter to logically fit with the new ones
Just in minor ways, mostly
last anchor
I think they CAN share magazines in canon. Obviously they cant in game because we never see more than one weapon in game.
And they COULD with the M392 most likely
since its the same round. But that would make it a nightmare to implement in game so each weapon fuels itself more or less.
versed helm
It's just that in every game they come up with a new design for the MA5's grip and the magazine's buttplate
So they wouldn't really be cross compatible
last anchor
Those are probably interchangable
Misrahs getting thrown credits by the shovelful, why wouldnt they make MA5 parts entirely modular?
versed helm
I interpret visual canon in a way that sees older versions fit with newer systems while maintaining their overall aesthetic.
Or rather in each interpetation
Everything that other interpretations focus on is slightly different
Just works for me
So the MA5D in the Halo CE interpetation of the Halo universe would logically fit in with the CE MA5B by being tweaked in minor ways, and if an MA5B was in Infinite it would be changed to be sensible alongside the MA40
last anchor
Fair
versed helm
But the BR55 in Halo 5 kinda broke that notion with its terrible magazine shenanigans so go figure.
No reason for a BR55 and BR85 to receive different mags.
Same ammo, same capacity.
Not only that but the BR55's mag is like offensively poorly designed
But I'm going off on a tangent here
Probably best just not to think about it too hard
ebon lagoon
Quick question: Does anybody know how they decide the numbering of the Spartans? I searched up, but the most recent time someone asked that was before the release of Halo 4. If anyone knows that would be great
hasty locust
Like 117 and such
For S2 there were 150 candidates numbered 001-150
And same goes with S3
And S4 dont have numbers
S3 there just a lot more candidates than S2 so we get numbers up to 400
humble yacht
They were assigned numbers before augmentations so it’s either based on order of kidnapping or some arbitrary order given during training
last anchor
Order during filing actually if I remember right.
They had 150 candidates selected for secondary screening, and of those they only took about 75 (several they couldnt find, werent suitable, were dead, whatever).
So that gave a bunch of Spartans with varying numbers. Of those 75 only 33 made it through final augmentations with latter washouts being rehabilitated and sent to the field (like Red Team).
My guess for how they set the numbers is they just numbered them in the order they were selected for the secondary screening. Whoever they found first that fit the criteria and was cleared was Spartan-001
stoic hamlet
It’s done well before they’re taken, yeah
John was already numbered 117 before Halsey had even seen him
last anchor
And the stuff that comes with Halsey's journal mention her calling candidates by their numbers too.
humble yacht
So then they’d be orders by discovery from the generic screening
last anchor
Yes
stoic hamlet
^^^
humble yacht
Tho if you ask me that’s a little premature
stoic hamlet
III’s are the same.
humble yacht
“Where’s spartan 030?”
“We never found him”
stoic hamlet
They presumably cross check and mark who they have.
last anchor
Thats literally what happened with one of them.
stoic hamlet
It would only affect the II’s, anyways.
last anchor
Supposedly that one had precognition and just...bolted
humble yacht
3s were volunteers
stoic hamlet
I don’t think it was precog per se
humble yacht
Sorta
last anchor
Halsey says it might be precognition or something like it.
Least I think...Im too lazy to go dig my copy of her journal outta my closet rn
stoic hamlet
I’m guessing it’s more like Kurt’s feelings.
humble yacht
You can argue that kids can’t make adult decisions like that but since they at least gave each 3 a choice, there never would have been a case of escape
stoic hamlet
They wouldn’t want to escape anyways.
last anchor
Most of them jumped at it anyway. The Covenant murdered their families so...
humble yacht
Tho I’d still wait to assign a number until after they completed training and augs
stoic hamlet
Kurt says himself. They were all motivated to pass.
After they assigned them into teams it’d be easier to keep track of them.
last anchor
Kurts 900+ murder children.
Kurt, to ONI, holding all of the S-IIIs close: "Dont talk to me or my 900 angry murder children ever again."
humble yacht
More like 900 angry murdered children
stoic hamlet
Must protecc
humble yacht
Zing
last anchor
Nah only 600 died
gilded mason
Eyy
stoic hamlet
650 or so.
last anchor
Gamma made it through remember
stoic hamlet
Gamma best Spartans.
humble yacht
Bunch of druggies
stoic hamlet
Also the angriest
last anchor
I really like the mutation aspect. I hope that shows up again somehow.
Maybe in t he hopefully coming Ferrets Book 3?
last anchor
Oh, you mean the "getting shot and keeping going?"
I liked Last Lights stuff for it Tbh
stoic hamlet
Yes but also if they go off the rails showcase it better.
They made a big deal about it but it never actually happened
last anchor
Rather than the subtle mind games that the book gave us?
stoic hamlet
Because the Gamma’s know how to control it.
last anchor
I dont think any of them ever ACTUALLY went off the rails, the worst thing that happened was Mark got paranoid
Yeah
All that trainings good for SOMETHING
stoic hamlet
And it was justified paranoia.
stoic hamlet
In the ops they were meant for it would never be an issue.
They can distinguish each other even under the effects of the angry juice.
It’s only non-Gammas that could be a potential target.
But if they’re deployed accordingly it’d be fine.
last anchor
Well now they have Veta Lopis to keep them in line so
last anchor
I liked Retribution (mostly) so
stoic hamlet
The idea is cool
But the way it was implemented is dumb.
Osman: “we cant have them in public!”
makes an UNDERCOVER team.
If you’re so worried about them going off the rails how is that better?
It’s worse.
last anchor
Easier to bury I guess?
I think she means public as in "the Spartan Branch needs to be above board now because of legaility stuff" so they cant be part of THAT.
Whereas an undercover team like the Ferrets need never ever be mentioned and better if they arent
stoic hamlet
Well yeah, we know the rest of the company is basically Beta-5’s hit squad.
last anchor
Thats Kilo-5 I think
stoic hamlet
(Which is awesome)
last anchor
Wait no wrong group
stoic hamlet
Nah they’re Section 0’s hit Team
last anchor
But yeah now Beta-5 can just...THROW SPARTANS AT THE PROBLEM TILL IT GOES AWAY
Just like the S-IIIs were supposed to be used
last anchor
Right
jolly furnace
Marontik? It would have been destroyed by humans, animals, nature or the ravages of time.
A city like that isn't gonna last 100,000 years.
terse lava
"Hey Jimmy, you see those armored nutjobs take down that brute earlier, then proceed to knock out 30 marines?"- some civilian
terse lava
Do you think the human forerunner war would have ended up with a different outcome had humanity surrended earlier?
terse lava
3 days prior mods: this heretic, and those who follow him, must be silenced.
Warden: what would you have your warden do?
humble yacht
Please don’t talk about mod decisions
terse lava
Oh? The joke counted as such? Learn something new every day, good to know
terse lava
Though on the topic of heresy, I wonder why the Governors of Contrition were allowed
gilded mason
The wheels of bureaucracy are slow?
terse lava
Certainly weren't when truth got power hungry
humble yacht
Speaking of hungry, do you think Jorge starved in slipspace, or did he die from the opening of the portal itself?
gilded mason
Definitely the latter
humble yacht
Certainly would be the more graceful way to go
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
Yea, always figured his body was atomized when the drive went off
...wonder if the Covenant buried, burned, or mummified their dead on high charity
humble yacht
Me too. But I saw someone arguing his potential survival in the forums recently and boy were they stubborn
gilded mason
But I saw someone arguing his potential survival in the forums recently and boy were they stubborn
Oh boy
humble yacht
Well the arbiter had a mausoleum
But that was likely ceremonial
I don’t imagine most arbiter corpses were collected for burial rites, given the nature of their missions
terse lava
I would think if the body was at least intact it would go in. If not only the armor
Besides, they weren't always suicide missions. They were generals for the majority of the Covensnt's time
versed helm
I think Jorge is now dedicated to his farm harvesting space papayas
humble yacht
I just don’t see the covenant taking time to collect their dead
They glassed Reach so all those corpses were immolated
So I guess that’s a form of cremation
terse lava
Well yea, what of just the average high charity dweller then?
terse lava
Somehow that seems kinda sad
terse lava
Oh no no, I should have clarified. My question applied only to san shyuum and sangheili on high charity
humble yacht
Cremation
Prophets go on and on about cleansing fires
Elites seem like a race that would have done funeral pyres back home
terse lava
You do have a point there, and they were the ones who were fine with glassing where sangheili saw it lacking honor
humble yacht
But a indoor pyre seems like a bad idea
terse lava
Even more so in a city with a methane field below it
Perhaps they vaporized the bodies in the engines of the keyship?
humble yacht
Doubtful
terse lava
You think "too holy" or only reserved for, hierarchs and pre heresy arbiters?
humble yacht
Too holy
Also any finagling with the key ship would be inviting MB to try to take it back
After the trouble they took to disconnect him, I doubt they’d mess with the key ship unless they had to
Also when you see how callously truth left mercy behind, it seems like anyone who dies before the great journey is just doomed
So I don’t see the covenant bringing closer to divinity in death
Maybe if they felt death was another way to begin the journey, then they might do something like that
terse lava
Yea, and zuka expected some type of limbo paradise moments before he died
"Though you leave this world, you will come on the Great Journey when the time comes"- Rtas 'Vadumee to an infected commando and Bero 'Kusovai
humble yacht
Yeah but “the great journey waits for no one, brother; not even you” is a very different interpretation
terse lava
Always took that as meaning the Journey was not going to be forestalled
humble yacht
I took it as “if you aren’t ready, you don’t get to go”
terse lava
Feel that would defeat the whole Covenant as their entire goal was the journey.
gilded mason
Also, I put less stock in whatever Truth says than what Elites say, regarding general belief.
terse lava
Yea, if you died before the Journey, you would have to be able to go
If you couldn't...leaves a big hole in the Covenant
humble yacht
But the whole point was transcending life to become something more
terse lava
Yes
humble yacht
It’s not like they had a belief in an afterlife
They didn’t think of the journey as death
terse lava
They certainly seemed too
humble yacht
It’s not mentioned that there is some soul repository that dead covenant sit in, waiting for the journey
terse lava
The Journey was pretty much taking the living and the dead to godhood
Well we have never been told the proper covenant belief system
We have only bits and pieces
humble yacht
They put major stake in being “worthy”
But did every dead covenant die in a “worthy” way?
terse lava
From what we have seen, it seems they pretty much did so long as.it wasnt heresy
Otherwise, how would a covenant civilian gain worthiness compared to the military
humble yacht
Based on the examples you gave versus what the game has presented, seems another disconnect between Bungie writers and expanded lore writers
gilded mason
The force of the blast lifted the Elite up and out of his seat, gave him one last look at his opponent, and let him fall. He hit with a thud, felt something snap, and waited for his first glimpse of paradise.
terse lava
RIP zuka
gilded mason
Yup
terse lava
It seems pretty much for the Covenant, so long as you don't do heresy, you will gain the Journey, unlessn you are excommunicated/path of oblivion by a hierarch
humble yacht
If death was its own conduit to the journey then there would have been no reason for truth to lie about mercy’s demise, because everyone would have just assumed he was already on the journey
terse lava
Well look at the timing
humble yacht
But truth lies about it. Seemingly to keep the covenant from panicking and further splitting
terse lava
Civil war, flood there. Telling them Mercy is gone would make them fear even more
gilded mason
He probably wanted to keep up appearances of "I have everything under control, Mercy is with me, see? We're all fine here."
terse lava
Yep
humble yacht
Civil war, flood there. Telling them Mercy is gone would make them fear even more
Especially if death didn’t send you on the journey
If it did then the covenant would rejoice on his good fortune
terse lava
Well if the dead can't be taken on the Journey, the Covenant could not exist
humble yacht
“Congrats mercy, you made it before us”
gilded mason
I always assumed the belief was that any that died before the activation of the rings would simply sit in a limbo-state, unaware of existence until somebody actually got the Rings to fire.
Hm...I wonder if Grim would answer this. For clarity's sake.
terse lava
Hm..well truth does say "here rest the vanguard of the Great Journey"
@gilded masonbut clarity is fine with the Ussans
gilded mason
shush you
terse lava
But hm, could be like the church, different views
humble yacht
If every suicide grunt went on the journey then the covenant could have all just drunk kool aid and it would have been easier than finding the rings
gilded mason
I think I'll ask Grim.
abstract venture
Ye I agree with Ostral
terse lava
Agreed
humble yacht
Tweet away
abstract venture
There's alot of Covenant who don't prove themselves to join the great journey
terse lava
But Chimera, if those who died before the rings activate, how could the Covenant keep going?
abstract venture
But their names are recorded and can be set to join the journey if one of their ancestors does something really honorable
It's called the Rolls of honor
terse lava
"And we shall fulfill out promise"-Truth
"salvation for ALL"-Mercy
humble yacht
The limbo idea isn’t bad but it kinda doesn’t play well with some of the book quotes y’all posted
terse lava
"None will be left behind when our Great Journey begins. That's is the prophets' age old promise, and it shall be fulfilled"-Regret
abstract venture
Relentless engines of destruction, the CPV remains one of the most feared warship silhouettes across human space. However, its role within the Covenant military was that of a ship for flagellants, crewed by those deemed unstable or unsuitable for service in the regular Ministry fleets; led by those whose actions did not rise to heresy, but who carried the stench of disloyalty or disobedience. It was CPV crews who were called upon to do the dangerous and rather distasteful orbital bombardment of worlds early in the campaign against humanity, hovering over cities, factories, and farms in order to burn them clean of apostasy in the face of withering fire from surface installations and remaining UNSC defenders in higher orbit. Hundreds of shattered CPV hulls remain on these charred worlds, monuments to crews who found honor only in compliance with suicidal orders, their family names once more added to the rolls of those worthy to continue the march to glorious salvation.
-Waypoint; Bulkhead Banter
So CPV crews could bring their families back into honor/great journey if they carried out their suicide missions
So yeah limbo basically
terse lava
...does he? looks at old Nizat question
gilded mason
😔
half apex
what does the covenant eat?
gilded mason
Food
abstract venture
babies
terse lava
Well when it comes to brutes.....
Just realized on the whole covenant journey/soul thing. Occam's Razor, the san shyuum may not hold a pre Journey afterlife, while the sangheili do
humble yacht
but the prophets define the religion
the elites may sit on the council, but they are still subservient
terse lava
The san shyuum may, but remember, they attempted to allow as many sangheili traditions go into the Covenant as possible. If the sangheili hold an afterlife, I doubt the san shyuum would try to get rid of it so long as it doesnt interfere in their doctrine. Which apparently it did not
humble yacht
in that case, where there is a difference in beliefs between the prophets and elites (which sounds pretty strange for a theocracy), then the prophets certainly wouldn't allow use of the keyship to perform burial rites
terse lava
Oh I already conceded that idea, you would be correct there
versed helm
How many Marathon-class Heavy Cruisers still remain in service?
Or better yet,how many of them even survived the war
earnest ore
Anyone know lore wise what rank of elites pilot phantoms?
terse lava
Wouldn't say any particular rank would be dedicated to them.
torpid flare
10 florida men or one sangheili
humble yacht
Hesduros is the Florida of the sangheili
terse lava
Way too true
versed helm
lmao
so this new tv show is non canon alternate universe where characters are race and gender swapped?
why was it necessary to do any of that
im no longer excited for this show
i hope the team working on infinite isnt this disrespectful to the canon of the series
if thats the route they want to take Halo down I might finally have a reason to ditch xbox and grab a ps5 instead
What do you mean gender swapped you absolute madlad
The only swap is, like, Keyes is now a black man
Miranda's ethnicity respects that
And Parangosky seems to have become budget Chrisjen Avasarala
And it's not in its own reality. These things will most likely be retcons.
To the extent that any visual change like
Has canonical meaning
so are we just going to pretend keyes got a really really dark tan
No, we're probably going to accept that his ethnicity has been retconned and his appearance in CE is no longer canon.
ridiculous
I'm sure there'll be mods for your immersion.
Bleh, deal with it
Way scarier things in this world than all our characters becoming black
Presumably they chose the actor because he can pull off a balla Keyes impression despite his skin colour
nothing is scarier than that
What about
Child predators
not even zombie gorillas are scarier than that
WW3
Uh
Coronavirus
i eat coronavirus for breakfast
Global warming
Cancer
we deserve global warming if this is what we do to halo canon
Duuude
If you're a real canon fan you don't get triggered by some dude becoming black
i hope everyone suffers
You get triggered by like the entirety of First Strike
they’re also making miranda keyes a scientist instead of a military commander
Akchually
Even before the show
She served on a science vessel before taking command of the IAC
So :p
but she wasnt black
now they need to make seargant johnson white
Honestly, Sergeant Johnson's VO was a white man
It's already racially ambiguous
Try not caring about identity politics
i hate hollywood and i hate sjws who are obsessed with diversity
I ignore them
i cant ignore them when theyre changing the characters i love
they must be genocided
And I also ignore people who get irrationally triggered when their safe space of everyone being exactly what they expect gets compromised
Dude, if you think this is worth a genocide over
You're the problem
i do
idc what you say commie
And you better hope a mod doesn't see that if you want to stay here 🤷♂️
I ain't no snitch tho
Honestly, I kinda expect better than this from the Halo community
We should aim to adopt the same sort of ethnicity and gender-blind mentality that the UNSC exhibits
Like, yes, obviously the appearance of the Keyes actor will be slightly discombobulating at first. But I'm not attached to Jacob Keyes as a character because he was a white man, so I know I'll get over it if the performance holds up.
fair hazel
Let’s move on.
versed helm
Got anything good to talk about?
fair hazel
I know tomorrow we might.
fair hazel
Discussing the new pelican? The new warthog and mongoose?
versed helm
The turret tho
fair hazel
People are being like. It’s the halo 3 pelican!
But like uh... probably not really no @
versed helm
Looks like an OG M41 LAAG, right?
With the hexagonal gun shield?
An OG LAAG on an M12B chassis maybe
versed helm
I get your point tho
versed helm
I personally think, given the route they've taken with the MA40, you'd be more likely to have like an M43
Like it's new in Infinite
But canonically it exists between the new and old
It was like the generation of tech most of the UNSC was using while the Infinity was getting the best stuff
fair hazel
I’m confused
versed helm
Cuz I'm pretty sure the MA40 is in Collateral Damage
Okay, this is the way I've conceptualized it so far
fair hazel
Right now I’m tired so my brain is likely slow
versed helm
Old school stuff (M41 LAAG and MA37) --> Infinite Stuff which is between old school and new-school in universe (M4-whatever chaingun and MA40) --> postwar designs (M343A2 and MA5D)
I reckon that's what they might try and go for
So like, old school was adopted before the HCW
fair hazel
It doesn’t move tbe e tire unsc stuff forward
versed helm
An postwar stuff was adopted after
But Infinite stuff might be like, during the war stuff
versed helm
I don't think much tech evolution will have happened between H5 and Infinite
But I guess we'll see
fair hazel
The unsc can build its own equipment
versed helm
Like I said, I'm pretty sure our first glimpse of the MA40 was in Collateral Damage. You can see marines using just a solid-black AR that's not quite an MA37.
stoic hamlet
I don’t like the idea of the MA40 being post war myself.
fair hazel
If im not too tired to recall right now. Isn’t there talk about requesting hannibal wasp from infinity’s factories?
I like the idea of it being post war
versed helm
At the time of reading Collateral Damage I assumed they were using just straight-up MA5s, which I assumed to be only marginally different from the 37. But I'm dead sure it's the MA40 now.
You can see it in the last few pages
Where the innies get left behind
stoic hamlet
We know the Army adopted the MA5D (for some reason) so having another weapon, seemingly following the Army’s naming convention of the weapon being “MA-year of introduction” instead of MA1-5, seems odd to me.
Unless it is post war but it’s named for the year it was first conceptualized?
stoic hamlet
I love that we’ve just skipped the MA4. It just doesn’t exist.
versed helm
My theory is that the MA30-series was a sub-platform of the MA5-series and consisted of MA3 bodies being brought up to MA5-spec while maintaining maximum parts compatibility so reserves from the MA3-era could be used.
And the MA40 is just the logical continuation of that.
versed helm
Well, obviously any way you spin it it's arbitrary.
But y'know. First-gen, MA36, then MA37, MA38, MA39, MA40
Like MA5, MA5A, MA5B, MA5C, MA5D
Two series running in parallel
stoic hamlet
With 37 being the year of introduction. Hmmmm, I’m not sure.
I suppose it works.
I could see the Army doing that, y’know, because they’re Army, it fits their prideful, “we’ll do it our way” kind of attitude.
But I’m still not sure.
versed helm
Well, there might have initially been an MA30
Or like, XMA30
And it went through iterations until it got to the 36 or 37, at which point it was adopted
stoic hamlet
I could see it, I suppose.
I guess all we can do is speculate for now
And wait for more news
Anyways, gotta sleep.
Good Night! (Or day, depending on where you are)
simple locust
So why can't promethean skulls come out of their bodies and attack people like in doom?
versed helm
Mhm
versed helm
Doesn't Los Angeles still exist in the Halo universe?
Yeah
Though now its part of the United Republic of North America
Does that mean Hollywood still exists?
versed helm
I guess so 
👃
👄
lilac gust
that face haunts my dreams
lilac gust
oh god
lilac gust
👃
👄
versed helm
👃
👄
lilac gust
this is cursed
versed helm
Indeed
simple locust
So why can't promethean skulls come out of their bodies and attack people like in doom?
carmine sleet
Because that's not what the Promethean skulls do
jolly furnace
@terse lava Unknown what FRs would have done had humanity surrendered earlier. Probably the same outcome given the Builders corruption.
humble yacht
Everyone always giving Ur Didact crap but Faber was the real villain
abstract venture
Faber did nothing wrong
terse lava
Tell that to his wives and children
stoic hamlet
What wives and children?
terse lava
Exactly(they were all absorbed into a gravemind)
vague vigil
nah the Didact was worse
abstract venture
Faber saved the galaxy
The Halos were his idea
And if the Didact had his way the galaxy would be all flood
terse lava
Other way around
The flood got so bad because faber took apart the military
Had the didact won and had proper shield world funding, the flood would have been taken out before they could reach the status to use precursor items
abstract venture
He didn't take apart the military
Just transferred the responsibility more to builder security
The builders could make more fleets than they needed, and there was still trillions of warrior servants
Also we have no guarantee the shield world's would have worked, the forerunner council at the time thought it wouldn't which is why it was cancelled
terse lava
The council was also builder dominated and corrupt
Dont forget Faber also manipulated the Juridical branch
humble yacht
I think the shield worlds would have failed as anti-flood measures, but faber was still a jerk
The flood managed to get inside etran harbrige
terse lava
Yea was always puzzled how no one got there, or any shield world for that matter. The excuse was mendicant knew the locations....yet he knew the greater ark location too
versed helm
But then you've gotta deal with the Gravyboy's reality-altering shenanigans
If you just focus on surviving without actually harming the Flood's capabilities
And give them the run of the galaxy
Who knows what kind of insanity might unfold
terse lava
Faber had no clue a halo pulse could harm precursor relics, was just chance
Once he saw they could he put 2 and 2 together
versed helm
Anyway I wouldn't be surprised if some Forerunners made it to the Shield Worlds
And then ultimately all just receded in the way that they did
terse lava
Maybe, or just stayed put
versed helm
It's entirely possible.
full forge
For so I have seen in the sacred caves.
tender ginkgo
I've always wondered what if Chief had arrived on Earth with Arbiter at the end of 3
humble yacht
Probably nothing. Events would have likely played out the same
gilded mason
...Even Requiem and the Created?
terse lava
Only real difference I can see would be him partaking in various missions, though requiem would.not happen the same way
versed helm
Honestly if he'd been in UNSC hands right from the end of 3
They'd probably have like propped him up even more than they already have
Tried to pin a shedload of brass on chest and put him in charge of as many things as possible
Probably what I'd have done
humble yacht
But he would have refused
UNSC went to requiem independently of Chief so he may have joined that excursion even if he’d made it back to earth with Thel
However, had he made it back to earth, Cortana’s fate may have been different
versed helm
Isn't it sorta implied that Cortana's signal allowed the Infinity to like, find Requiem at all?
They sorta traced it there and then in typical John fashion everything happened at once in the most bombastic manner possible
humble yacht
I don’t know
Halopedia says that UNSC learned requiem’s location from studying the Composer
versed helm
They're probably right then
humble yacht
the timing of that excursion wouldnt have changed, but in the years between the end of the war and the trip to requiem, Chief and Cortana would have likely gone on more missions but ultimately he probably would have given her up for dispensation
Because going back to earth would have meant learning Halsey was a war criminal and not around to help Cortana through rampancy
versed helm
If recompiling her was possible and the UNSC got access to Halsey when they did in the canon timeline
It's a fair assumption they'd have tried it.
Very secretively.
humble yacht
I don’t think the UNSC would sanction allowing Halsey out of prison to fix Cortana
She was special to Halsey but to the UNSC, she would have just been another smart AI
versed helm
If possible it would represent a breakthrough in AI science and capability.
humble yacht
Important in the short run but no reason to give her special treatment
gilded mason
One could argue that Cortana has been an incredible asset for humanity, and that losing her would be detrimental.
humble yacht
I’d see them simply debriefing her and copying all her data for record keeping, rather than then going out of their way to fix her
versed helm
The core element for me is that fixing her is theoretical.
humble yacht
Maybe the chief would have opposed it and gone awol earlier than in the real timeline
Broke Halsey out of prison
versed helm
I have a hard time conceptualizing ONI not wanting to try and cross that boundary
humble yacht
Be like “fix her”
versed helm
Given the unique opportunity Cortana represents
I mean, the math for me is real simple here
AIs = probably humanity's greatest asset, followed closely by MACs and Spartans
Tactical significance of any deeper understanding or breakthrough regarding AI tech = critical
humble yacht
I don’t think ONI would be that interested in fixing Cortana because they never attempted to make a smart AI from a living person before Halsey
Despite the fact that they probably could have if they wanted
Illegality aside, everything Halsey did to make Cortana was established science. She just combined them in ways that let her produce Cortana
versed helm
There is something to be said for the significance of pushing boundaries. Halsey broke taboo with Cortana, ONI would want to see where that might lead.
humble yacht
Yeah but she didn’t break it in an especially difficult way
gilded mason
While they didn't have the sample before, they now have the perfect opportunity to attempt an experiment on an AI that readily has more brain samples on demand.
humble yacht
If ONI had been interested in that, they could have tried on their own
versed helm
Cortana is basically ONI trying it on their own.
I doubt Halsey purchased all the cloning equipment and AI generation tech for personal use.
humble yacht
Eh, I’m still pressing X
tender ginkgo
Im pretty sure Chief wouldn't like Halsey being imprisoned since he sees her as a mother figure.
versed helm
Odds are Chief wouldn't find out.
Well, odds are he would
But odds are ONI would try to prevent him from finding out
humble yacht
Would be pretty tough
versed helm
Interestingly, given Cortana's attitude towards Halsey in Halo 4, I doubt she and Chief would be entirely aligned on that front.
If Cortana found out she might be inclined to let her creator rot in an ONI cell.
humble yacht
He’d meet up with blue team and then they’d tell him Halsey was at onyx with them but then she was taken away
versed helm
Depends when, really.
gilded mason
Though that could simply be rampancy spikes messing with her perceptions. Like in Human Weakness
versed helm
Depends how much thinking time she's afforded for the Gravemind's psychological tinkering to take hold
versed helm
That's a tad childish.
tender ginkgo
Wasn't Cortana's hate for Halsey in 4 caused by her rampancy/Gravemind tinkering
gilded mason
If she did start to not like Halsey, she'd still try if John was gunning for it, since it'd make him happy, I imagine.
versed helm
Cortana's not really subservient to John.
humble yacht
Wasn't Cortana's hate for Halsey in 4 caused by her rampancy
It’s implied that it was connected
gilded mason
Though they are good friends
versed helm
If anything it's vice-versa.
Up till Halo 3, Cortana called the shots.
And that mentality re-asserts itself in Halo 5, now that she's no longer scarred and vulnerable outwardly
gilded mason
And I wouldn't really call it subservient, just something a friend would do for another friend.
versed helm
My point is, Cortana can be relied on to do what she thinks for John maybe even if John doesn't think it's best for John.
humble yacht
It really depends on whether Cortana would experience fear of death the same way
versed helm
She's got that Halsey complex of asking for forgiveness and not permission. Except Halsey doesn't ask for forgiveness, she just kinda
gilded mason
Stews in self-loathing and regret?
tender ginkgo
Actually I'm sure John would not lik the scapegoating of Halsey by ONI since they were the ones who funded the project in the first place
versed helm
Conjures an inward firestorm of loathing in virtually every direction
tender ginkgo
Also doesn't Halsey feel regret for the Spartan project since if she could use clones she would but since that failed children had to be abducted
versed helm
So really
humble yacht
Flash clones were never a viable option
versed helm
She couldn't use the clones
humble yacht
Not to become Spartans
versed helm
Therein lies the grey area
humble yacht
The cloning process wasn’t meant for making full people
Because of its imperfections
versed helm
The clones were just a mad geniuses' way of saying "sorry we took your kids"
"Here, have this facsimile that you can watch die of neuro-degenerative ailments"
humble yacht
More a way to stop anyone from looking for the kids
humble yacht
Halsey may have thought on the side that as a mother, it’s worse to not know what happened to your child than it is to see them die
tender ginkgo
Also, didn't ONI almost kick Halsey out of the project for caring too much for her Spartans
versed helm
Everything Halsey does has like an inward and outward motivation to it.
Like, the Spartan IIs came into being to keep humanity united, but also because Halsey wanted to bring about the next step in human evolution.
The clones were used to throw people off the scent of SIIs, but also to help her soothe her own pain.
She's complex
gilded mason
Also, didn't ONI almost kick Halsey out of the project for caring too much for her Spartans```
Yeah, I remember something about her trying to find ways to increase the survivability of the augments, but ONI didnt care as much.And then Parangosky talked about her being a bleeding-heart for the Sprtans.
versed helm
Bet her issues with Miranda stem from guilt that she's deprived other parents of their children but she's allowed to have her own golden girl with no repercussions
In fact
If that hasn't been directly stated I'd be surprised
humble yacht
The clones were used to throw people off the scent of SIIs, but also to help her soothe her own pain.
Isn’t that just what parangonsky thought? That her clones were just self service for her to feel less bad about kidnapping?
tender ginkgo
I always found it interesting in that Miranda in a way had dozens of siblings since the Spartans saw Halsey as a mother
gilded mason
"Meet your step-brother, John."
versed helm
It really depends on how you interpret it, Chim.
Generally speaking I take K5 at face value.
stoic hamlet
I mean
Kilo 5 has problems with characters, lots
But Halsey isn’t too bad compared to how she was in GoO.
tender ginkgo
Traviss really sucked at Halo charcters
stoic hamlet
She’s still a selfish POS trying to cure her conscience.
deep pewter
I liked a lot of her characters, interesting new perspectives
stoic hamlet
Just dialled up a little more.
Her new characters were fine
It was how she handled the old that was the issue.
tender ginkgo
Yep especially halsey and ONI
tender ginkgo
ONI went from morally gray to cartoonishly evil
feral perch
Eh. I don't feel like ONI was cartoonishly evil in Kilo-5
deep pewter
How was ONI cartoonishly evil? They were doing what ONI does
tender ginkgo
Halsey under Traviss became seen as Space Mengele which she's not
stoic hamlet
As a whole anyways
feral perch
Just being stupid
stoic hamlet
She’s not, aye. But the characters who didn’t know any better didn’t have a reason not to consider her that.
feral perch
iirc the Spartans were almost treated like they had stockholm syndrome or something
stoic hamlet
That’s where I think most people’s issue come from
feral perch
And they got Naomi to bash Halsey, which really annoyed me.
gilded mason
I thought it was weird that Vaz knew the S3s were expendable suicide soldier children, but then didn't think about how they came to be or anything.
tender ginkgo
Like weren't the III seen as disposable by ONI which is the opposite of how Halsey saw the II
deep pewter
I don’t see how people can’t understand that a woman that basically killed children through painful augmentations ain’t exactly gonna be seen as this amazing person
feral perch
It is interesting that ONI didn't face the same scrutiny for the S-III program.
They still haven't.
stoic hamlet
Because no one knows they exist
deep pewter
Can’t scrutinize what isn’t ever referenced in the canon after GoO
stoic hamlet
And those that do know a very skewed perspective.
The only official info people have on the III’s is they were volunteers sent on more dangerous, strategically important missions than the II’s.
Which isn’t technically wrong
feral perch
Aah, interesting.
stoic hamlet
It’s just not the entire truth
gilded mason
How'd Vaz find out, anyway? Did Black Box tell him for some reason or something?
stoic hamlet
Maybe off screen explanation
tender ginkgo
Also the whole weaken the allied Sanghelli plan by ONI is very stupid
deep pewter
How?
tender ginkgo
Like the Arbiter's faction are the ones who are fighting off other Covenant Remnants who could attack the UNSC
gilded mason
It was too risky and could easily blow up in their face. Which it did.
tender ginkgo
Like the UNSC only survived the war due to the Gret Schism
deep pewter
Gotta keep the war funded somehow
stoic hamlet
They just messed up and did both
versed helm
I very much conceptualize the grain idea as basically humanity trying to get on even terms in the genocide department.
stoic hamlet
Though tbf
versed helm
Even if Parangosky definitely had some malicious intent
stoic hamlet
Well yeah.
sullen musk
ummmm......hello what excatly is UNI
gilded mason
It's an intel arm of the UNSC
versed helm
Like the UNSC's CIA
deep pewter
ONI was basically just playing both sides of the field and trying to keep Sanghelios inwardly focused
versed helm
Except with more super soldiers and mad scientists
stoic hamlet
That’s basically what it was. Humanity could never really invade a world, they had to get even/ weaken the Sangheili with other ways. @versed helm
Hence, the grain
gilded mason
I felt the whole thing was really lacking in scale
obsidian thistle
The UNSC have a me?
gilded mason
Like the grain thing really wouldn't have worked out.
stoic hamlet
Some random, poor, Section II shmuck stick behind a desk somewhere cataloguing info.
deep pewter
Well yeah, there were Elites living on other planets that had been for generations
obsidian thistle
I wonder what the Fringe or the other og client species would think about the Elites homeworld just having issues
That to me is the big issue.
stoic hamlet
I don’t think they’d care tbh
terse lava
Let's be honest, had oni's hair-beained plan worked, earth would have died
sullen musk
DO PEOPLE FISH IN HALO
terse lava
Why wouldn't they?
terse lava
Well..high charity has Koi, and the sangheili blockade runner was modeled after a tough fish
gilded mason
And Sangheili have fishing fleets.
terse lava
Btw, in the Duel, all the covenant who faced Fal 'Chavamee. Was it ever said if they were just an army sent to deal with him or his own kinsman?
sullen musk
im new to halo and started at halo 5, so, what are the prophets
gilded mason
The informal name for the San'Shyuum, one of the Covenant races. Three in particular are the hierarchs: Regret, Mercy, and Truth.
sullen musk
oh thank you
terse lava
Mhm, their race held the highest position in the Covenant empire due to their claim of knowing the will of their gods, the forerunners
tender ginkgo
Also, back in Prehistoric times the San'Shyuum allied themselves with Ancient Humanity during the Human-Forerunner War
The Covenant was also formed after a war between the Sanghelli also kown as the Elites and the San'Shyuum
terse lava
The War of Beginnings
Come to think of it, the Covenant always had rather... poetic names for their wars
Do we know if they had their own name for the war against humanity?
tender ginkgo
I don't know. I know that it was the era of reclamation but a specific name for the war not sure. Wasn't the war fought using just the Ministry of Piracy.
terse lava
Ministry of Resolution mostly I think, with a small bit from others due to zealot orders joining in
At most, would say 3 miniseries out of the hundred or so took part in the war
tender ginkgo
The Covenant wasn't even trying their hardest and were still crushing the UNSC
terse lava
Correct
It was likely very trivial to them, I do recall Truth hid battle losses from sangheili commanders to keep them from wondering what was going on
abstract venture
It's more like the losses were relatively little to the Covenant military so Truth could shuffle fleets and keep the elite leaders out of the loop
And consider that the elites ran the military and didn't even notice those ships missing meaning they weren't much to them
terse lava
I still love that, shows how truly vast the Covenant was
tender ginkgo
Shows how lucky it was for the UNSC that the Great Schism happened
terse lava
They did have their little lifeboat as well
abstract venture
It wouldn't have been finished in time
terse lava
Nah
jolly furnace
Covenant name for the human-covie war? Uh,
The Great Crusade
The Reclaimation
The Great Enlightenment
I can come up with many off hand
terse lava
Well I was thinking on the more poetic ones, War of Beginnings, Struggle for Ideological Purity, etc.
I wouldn't say enlightment though as they weren't seeking to bring humanity in
jolly furnace
The Great Purification
jolly furnace
Yeah i just remembered that name was taken
obsidian thistle
It does have a Covie name
terse lava
I only know thel, when talking with Reth in Cole Protocol simply said that Reth's plan was foolish during a holy war
obsidian thistle
Great Purification.
jolly furnace
Wasnt it just know as the age of reclaimation to the coveant
terse lava
Pardon??
jolly furnace
or is that just the Age when the war took place?
terse lava
I have been lead to believe that "The Great Purification," was the name given on the halos activating
jolly furnace
yeah that was
i mean the Age of Reclaimation - is that just when the human covie war occured
I think it is
terse lava
Yes, that was the name of the age the war happened in
jolly furnace
Yah
terse lava
But nothing on the name of the war itself
jolly furnace
no
i mean most wars arent named until after the fact i think
Or at least not given formal names
terse lava
True
half apex
name kinda depends on what happens in the war
terse lava
Yes, but the question is what was the war itself named/called from covenant eyes?
half apex
would it make sense for oni to create "gen 2 spartans"
fair hazel
What..?
terse lava
You mean the "class 2 s2?"
It would be pointless for oni to make anything else. If they did it would just be added to the 4s
obsidian thistle
Well
Orion went through two phases.
Spartan-II went through two classes though its very debated in the community.
Spartan-III. Well 3 fully trained companies and a untrained Delta company.
Spartan-IV. Well depends on what you'd count as classes.
terse lava
Besides halo 2 and Ghosts of Onyx, have we seen the excavation scarab at all?
terse lava
Why Divide with a question mark? Did the book say which one it was?
stoic hamlet
I don’t think it did.
I assume it was
But I have no proof
It just seems the most likely seeing as they wouldn’t need one heavily armed.
terse lava
Ah ok
versed helm
So those Mega Bloks sets
I mean, I know it's just Mega Bloks, but how good does that Warthog look?
My goodness
Thing of beauty
obsidian thistle
@terse lava technically speaking all Scarabs (bar the Banished who still use it for that sorta purpose and potientially unseen ones) are excavation Scarabs xD
Hmmm I suppose the Type-36 may not be a excavation one. But tbh we never seen it.
This will help however
abstract venture
Yeah they are all excavators
It's literally the name of the vehicle type
I don't think there was a Scarab in palace Hotel either
There's some im first strike and one in ghosts of onyx
obsidian thistle
Palace Hotel does mention em
terse lava
Yea technically, but the original variant is what I am after
terse lava
Btw, did Tragic go through the compartmentalization normal monitors do, or did he truly just forget himself after eons? I ask due to him apparantly remembering that the forerunners were judged by the Precursors
Yet he didnt rememebr his own identity
carmine sleet
It's likely he did go through compartmentalisation, be too risky to have him know all the details
terse lava
Idk, if I recall Born said Dust would just loose himself thanks to time, but I am not certain. Just seems odd that if he did go though it, they wipe out his identity, yet keep the true nature of the flood intact
jolly furnace
Maybe it was compartmentalized but his memories returned over time anyay
terse lava
Could be, he did say to Born he wanted to act as a guide for when humanity came to the ark....in hindsight maybe it would have been best for him to be plopped on earth
jolly furnace
Maybe but an AI was needed to oversee the Ark
terse lava
That's what I find funny about the end of the forerunner era. He wa Ted to oversee the ark, yet help humanity. Could have put him in earth and have a "dumb ai" like Offensive Bias was watch the ark
jolly furnace
Um Offensive Bias was NOT a dumb AI.
It was a Contender class AI - the most advanced class of Forerunner AI ever made.
terse lava
He lacked the type of free will Mendicant had, thus why I used the term. He was "less creative" then his counterpart
terse lava
Though on the topic of ai, I wonder how far the covenant got with them. They a voided smart ai to prevent another Mendicant Bias, yet had dumb ai and had robots
abstract venture
Yeah they had dumb AI that could run ships, and handle network security extremely well, being able to fight off Cortana
And also attempted to hack UNSC shipboard AI which scared the hell out of them
glacial dock
Was there any UnSC AIs there as intelligent as Cortana?
stoic hamlet
Several AI’s are more intelligent
The problem comes from the fact she’s part of the domain now
But had she not been there would have been several AI that would have outclassed her.
Roland, for example. Or Black Box.
Most of the Smart AI made post 2550 really.
abstract venture
Also she's made up of countless copies of herself now
Not just one Cortana like she was originally
stoic hamlet
Well she’s done that before
In First Strike
It’s not very easy for her to do.
But it’s not unique to her either.
Other AI’s have done this
Mack and Loki, for example
terse lava
True
stoic hamlet
Literally the only reason she’s so dangerous is the domain.
She otherwise has no real unique skills that other AI’s haven’t Demonstrated. Heck, others have shown that they can outlast her in Rampancy anyways, like Julianna.
abstract venture
She cute doe
humble yacht
Cortana’s copying ability has never been done by other AI the same way she can do it
Even BB’s copy ability is limited compared to hers
Even if cortana is not a later generation smart AI, her source material likely plays a huge role in the level of her ability over later generation smart AI
terse lava
The whole "being cloned from a living brain" thing?
gilded mason
I think more "being born from what seems to be one of the smartest humans around"
terse lava
That just goes hand in hand😛
humble yacht
Both could be argued
Dead brains lose viability very quickly
I’m sure most donor brains are partially compromised before being used to form a matrix
Live brains would not have any dead brain cells to worry about
Then of course there is the fact that it’s halsey’s brain
terse lava
You know I find it odd, that the precursors designed the domain the way they did. One would think that like the gravemind itself, the domain could survive the halos rather then having it all wiped out
humble yacht
Gravemind came into being after the forerunners betrayed the precursors
The domain was created well before that
terse lava
I mean just precursor conciousness in general
humble yacht
We don’t exactly know how the gravemind stores it’s knowledge
It could be like cell from DBZ
terse lava
A disturbingly accurate comparison
You have a point though, the gravemind/primordial does not appear to have a sense of time passing until reforming
humble yacht
He did mention time a lot
terse lava
Perhaps they, and all the hosta who are within just cease to exist until a new gravemind is formed
humble yacht
And spoke of his time out of “existence” as if it were a prison sentence
terse lava
But can that be argued as the time he didnt exist or just time returning to him once reformed
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
terse lava
Heh sounds about right
humble yacht
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey
terse lava
Young forerunners: how does time work?
Precursors: like a ball of yarn
I wonder if we will ever get a tiny bit of insight into the precursors one day. Not something that flashes them out like the forerunners got, but more a, "this is how we treated our creations."
humble yacht
I’d only like that if it knocked them down a peg
humble yacht
I don’t know what that is but I’m just not a fan of precursors
terse lava
Oh, the Xeelee are from a series of scifi books. Aliens who live in black holes, use time travel heavily, and treat entire galactic superclusters like legos to create portals to other realities
I guess though i am not a massive fan though of the precursors either. I dont fully mind giving the flood an origin but..guess feel something else could have been better
humble yacht
I don’t like god species
Forerunners were fine because we knew the covenant were just mistaken in calling them gods
terse lava
True maybe that's it
humble yacht
Precursors couldn’t even die right
terse lava
Ha yea, maybe it would have been ok if the forerunners truly had wiped out the precursors, except for the one
I guess they really came around due to the forerunners being amped up so much
humble yacht
Why tho? They weren’t even that amped up
terse lava
......by the rings your fist shaking towards Greg bear makes sense
humble yacht
Halo 3 paints the forerunners as very flawed and unsure of themselves
humble yacht
I don’t understand what you mean by “amped”
terse lava
"Upgraded" I guess
What I mean though for example, you have warfleet mention that the forerunners threw millions of one type of massive warship against the flood and it did nothing.
humble yacht
Different scale of flood outbreak
terse lava
Yes yes but still it feels...a bit outlandish
humble yacht
Compared to the forerunner flood war, I05’s outbreak was tiny
terse lava
True
humble yacht
And flood took high charity with one frigate
terse lava
Perhaps a better example then. The old lore had the forerunners loose due to sheer flood numbers that grew over a 300 year war. New lore shows that for those 300 years, the flood was contained well. Until the Captial went under and precursor relics woke up
humble yacht
New lore?
terse lava
Current lore
quiet umbra
Are we confident that that new red spartan action figure is Olympia vale?
People seem to act like that’s a given
humble yacht
If it doesn’t say “vale” on the box, then we don’t know
terse lava
Its fortencho returned😏
simple locust
Did the Stoics ride Folasteeds on their backs or with slays?
terse lava
Backs
terse lava
Actually what tier would the stoics have been at? They had "primitive" satellites and missiles, yet rode plant horses
versed helm
Probably tier 5 or 4
stoic hamlet
Or it could just be a multiplayer Spartan
quiet umbra
But if that’s the case than nobody knows so let’s work with y’know, people we know already
stoic hamlet
There’s no reason to assume it’s for the story
stoic hamlet
The white Spartan wasn’t
That was for Halo Reach
Palmer and Tanaka were likely for H5 stuff.
sturdy turtle
I want Noble 6 back
carmine sleet
Six is dead, he ain't coming back
versed helm
Unless he comes back in a novel or game that takes place before reach
obsidian thistle
I'd say the only way he comes back is via mentions/references.
Like saying he did X or Y. Or he was at Z or Q.
tender ginkgo
I like the Precursors then again as a fan of Lovecraft and as someone who loves Doctor Who and it’s god like races I’m fine with them@being godlike. What I do want to know is how they did become this godlike race that are older than the Halo universe itself
jovial temple
Didn't 343 confirm noble 6's death?
carmine sleet
Bungie did too
jovial temple
f
I didn't even really care about Jun but after reading the blood books, I like him a bit more
drifting beacon
What weapon is the Marine in the center holding? I know it's just Concept Art, but does it exist in lore?
https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/005/468/176/large/ignacio-bazan-lazcano-rm-training-2.jpg?1491249996
carmine sleet
A minigun
drifting beacon
It’s not even a minigun
jolly furnace
@tender ginkgo My guess they evolved and advanced in a different universe and ascended to a higher dimensional realm, or they were always a higher dimensional species or avatars/physical personifications of space-time/the living cosmos itself or they have always existed. You know like God and the whole "I am that I am" thing.
Maybe they is no beginning. Maybe they simply are.
terse lava
I wouldn't put them up that high, they are certainly not supernatural beings
humble yacht
Uh
When you can remake your physical form as you please because your true self exists outside 3D space?
terse lava
Or I should say not as powerful
humble yacht
That’s pretty supernatural
terse lava
That's why I corrected when I realized that and the whole "they lived as spirtits" thing
Then again it took them time
We have not seen them do it just willy nilly
humble yacht
A human can’t come back to life at all, so even if it takes them a century, that’s still beyond anything mere mortals are capable of
terse lava
Fair point, though I an curious hos they pulled the spirit one off, as wouldn't they already count as such?
humble yacht
What?
terse lava
It was claimed they lived as spirits at one point
humble yacht
Maybe “spirit” refers to any incorporeal form
terse lava
Guess so
terse lava
Think things would have changed had the forerunner actually paired monitors together for their duties rather then leaving them by themeelves?
stoic hamlet
Maybe that Marine in he concept art is using a Confetti Maker?
terse lava
Hm?
stoic hamlet
Posted further up, by Foxtonnes
versed helm
Prolly just an artistic take on the M247H
unique rune
Just looks like simplified art of an M247H to me.
toxic venture
is the pilot from halo infinite noble 6?
toxic venture
yeah i didnt know that
just a randon consp theory
and because im trying to be optimistic
deep pewter
Optimistic in regards to what?
toxic venture
his survival
carmine sleet
Six has been confirmed dead on multiple occasions by both 343i and Bungie
deep pewter
There’s really nothing to be optimistic about, dude was as dead as a door nail at the end of Reach
snow halo
I just got the Fall of Reach and it's real thick
toxic venture
yeah, i wanted an alternative final for that, like he escaped on the final mission
carmine sleet
Well, they're not changing that
snow halo
apperantly halo infinite will happen after halo 3
deep pewter
How does this connect to 5?
terse lava
Well yea
snow halo
I'm not sure if it's true or not
carmine sleet
Halo Infinite will be after Halo 5, Reductionles
toxic venture
wait a sec
terse lava
Why wouldn't it be after halo 3
snow halo
LTN said it in his video
toxic venture
master chief and cortana
terse lava
What have I walked in too....
toxic venture
and also i wanted to know what is the halo 5 blockade runner
terse lava
It's a ancient sangheili warship from before the covenant formed
toxic venture
yeah, its a corvette or what?
snow halo
I really want to finish all the games before infinite comes out
and I'm currently on the secodn mission of cea
terse lava
It is classified as a blockade runner...
toxic venture
in my game its says corvette when its falling on sunaion towards me
carmine sleet
That's likely just a simple mistake
terse lava
It wasn't the best game
toxic venture
neither the second
terse lava
Nope
toxic venture
sorry, english mistake, i said it was not the 2 best game too
terse lava
I know