thank god
#lore-and-universe
terse lava
Maybe grifball is their soccer 🤔
abstract venture
Why was Kurt so tall compared to other Spartans
feral perch
He drank milk
terse lava
Do you think any of the alpha battle would have changed had the flood failed to capture any vessels in the covenant fleet?
stoic hamlet
@abstract venture probably because he was basically never in Cryo upon being stationed on Onyx, he was able to grow naturally.
versed helm
How many hours of sleep does a spartan need 👀
terse lava
None, after hitting a pre-set kill limit, they recharge their batteries
versed helm
👀
abstract venture
That's a pretty good explanation
jolly furnace
At least 2 hours I'd say for Spartans
Probably less then unaugmented humans for sure.
green acorn
I know that for spartan IVs, since they are less augmented and closer to regular humans than other spartans, that they need to do everything a normal human would do (eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, etc..). But for Spartan IIs and Spartan IIIs my guess is they still need sleep, just not as much as regular humans or SIVs. In the novel The Flood, im pretty sure there was a part where Chief took a shower, ate, and slept.
humble yacht
Spartan 2s and 3s need food, water, and sleep like humans. The difference they can go longer without those things than normal people
abstract venture
spartan 4s need drastically reduced sleep
its mentioned in the field manual but i think it was like 3 hrs?
so thats probably a good baseline for the S2s
carmine sleet
I don't think it's that they need reduced sleep, more that they can operate effectively even when they have reduced sleep, unlike regular humans
terse lava
Think we will ever find out the fate of the sangheili commando from first strike or the Confirmer from Cryptum?
versed helm
GUYS
IN THE REACH FILES
SAM-034'S HELMET IS THE HAUNTED HELMET
IM CRYING
BUNGO NO
ive been connecting the og names used for the reach armor permutations to the actual names of the permutations they correlate with
I was wondering why sam's name showed up in reach files- but no the pilot helmet and haunted helmet is named "sam"
thats just
[screaming]
hasty locust
Huh
versed helm
so if you dont know- in the reach files the armor is actually named after canon spartan 2s and 3s
obsidian thistle
Shame none of that is canon. Lol
hasty locust
He’s the only spartan non IV I can remember to wear EOD
obsidian thistle
Would of been ace to have canon sets for a lotta characters that never got visuals
versed helm
I have Isaac as EOD
Isac 039
im only on the helmets- I got to sam having the haunted helmet and had to scream into the void
hasty locust
So we know who’s skull that is
versed helm
AAAAAAAAAAA
hasty locust
C A L C I U M
versed helm
also Li -008 is named player_li
wears EVA
Joshua has his Operator still
linda's helmet is security- matches the comic a bit better. I can post a full list once im done going through this
obsidian thistle
Linda wears Scout in the comic :)
versed helm
mhmm
obsidian thistle
Just wait till someone finds the list of the cut Covie fireteam names. xD
So many references there
versed helm
oh yeah those are fun
the engineer ones you can tell started somewhat serious- but then quickly everyone got a little drunk
"Floats with scissors" "Needed a fourth for game night"
terse lava
Amusing
hasty locust
Ironic how ancient sangheli culture closely resembled ancient Spartans
sacred dew
And samurai
terse lava
And knights
hasty locust
But the other two aren’t ironic are they
terse lava
Wasnt going for irony
hasty locust
Fine, titaniumy
Buh dum tssss
stoic hamlet
I don’t think ancient Sangheili resembled Greek Spartans.
stoic hamlet
The honour thing is pretty general to all Ancient Greeks, not just the Spartans.
The Arbiter armour is more akin to late Medieval/Renaissance Plate Armour than the armour of a Greek Hoplite. Specifically the Maximillian (Gothic) plate, with its individual plates banded or locked together similarly to how the Arbiter armour is.
I’d argue the Sangheili have more in common with the Shogunate period of Japan than the Greeks, myself.
terse lava
I would argue more knights, seeing as faith was an important thing to sangheili
gilded mason
Yeah, knights feel more apt
terse lava
You also have the zealot chapters, in a way I think like templars
Or hostipillar knight order
There is one other thing I think people forget when it comes to the comparison of sangheili vs knights and samurai
Armies
Samurai composed the majority of the fighting forces, where knights were the elite among peasants soldiers
versed helm
I thought Samurai relied on a fair few Ashigaru foot soldiers
Not that I'm against the Knight comparison, mind
Knights da bois
terse lava
From what I have learned, the samurai could compose the majority of an army.
versed helm
So could knights, depending on the occasion
The French at Agincourt, for instance
But every noble warrior from history has their lowborn counterparts
terse lava
Very true
main arch
How does Cortana see?
terse lava
Cameras and sensors
main arch
are the cameras visible in game?
like
when shes plugged in
as the chip in the vcr
how does she see
terse lava
Well she uses chief's armor when with him
terse lava
....what? Time machine?
terse lava
I assume you are attempting to make a joke?
main arch
no, i'm wondering how cortana sees
terse lava
Met the time machine part
main arch
are you trying to 1v1 me?
terse lava
Was asking as it clearly was not a time machine
main arch
i just want that lore man
terse lava
But as for the original question, she uses the armor's various sensors to see
main arch
i;m talkin about when she ain't honkin the chief
terse lava
sigh
main arch
she's sometimes just a chip
and she sees
she looks at things and people
i guess not as just the chip
terse lava
Her avatar is capable of showing what she is feeling, and she could see through the cameras and other devices
terse lava
She cant see through the avatar itself
terse lava
Wherever, not like they would appear in-game
terse lava
No clue
main arch
I bet Cortana would sass him nonstop like pinky and the brain
speaking of ai, i just got a discord message from ai tellming me not to say the flipflap word
far out
we're living halo yall
this is the future
we're gonna build a bomb and we're gonna make the covenant pay for it
get tactical marines, hooah
echo 419 dropping in with ice cream sundaies for world peace
stoic hamlet
She would use any cameras to visualize the environment. And the holo displays likely have cameras as well.
terse lava
She did hint at such in 4 when she commented she cant tell if requiem's star looked or feel real
versed helm
So did the Created take over Sedra?
simple locust
How did ancient humans and Forerunners differ in regard to their weapons and armor in ground combat?
carmine sleet
@versed helm They took over many planets and systems
versed helm
I know but would Sedra be one of them?
carmine sleet
Unknown
obsidian thistle
Atm we have very limited info in what the Created control
noble fjord
I still can't wrap my head around how much more... "Physically imposing" (beefy) Ripa Moramee is compared to other Sangheli
Like it seems so strange how he just stands out
versed helm
Hes a thicc boi
versed helm
I wonder how Ripa might fare in a fight against someone like Thel
Think of him like the Sangheili version of The Mountain
versed helm
So hes a thicc boi then
jolly furnace
@simple locust AH and Forerunners shared many similarities in their technology. Weapons wise, they'd be similar - particle rifles etc. Armor wise we don't know. AH likely didn't have the "you don't age" factor in their armor (which Forerunners only got if they wore it 24/7). I doubt AH wore armor all the time since it's not necessary all the time and just plain inappropriate in some situations.
Terminals show Forerunners weapons one-shotting humans in battle armor. How accurate that is I don't know since the visuals and even events depicted in them in some instances at least are of dubious accuracy.
terse lava
We also have first hand accounts from the didact stating that with san shyuum help, humanity made weapons that forerunners had no defense against
jolly furnace
At least for some time they did anyway. Sadly we no more then that. If I had to guess I'd say it was Precursor-derived tech.
terse lava
Nothing shows humanity had a handle on precursor tech outside of San shyuum and humans developing a tool that could interact with a single device for only moments at a time
terse lava
Dont recall anything humanity made by themselves that was terribly impressive
All the best stuff was with san shyuum help
simple locust
If also seems the Forerunner ship the humans shoot at has the same design as the medium sized human ship.
terse lava
That part confounded me, as that vessel was shown as both under forerunner and human control throughout the terminal
Wonder who it truly belonged too
abstract venture
Pretty sure it was just them reusing assets
terse lava
I know but canon wise
abstract venture
In renegades there was mention of Forerunners hijacking and modifying enemy ships
terse lava
Oh?
abstract venture
Maybe it was a ship that the Forerunners stole from AH
terse lava
I could see it
They did take and colonize human planets
Kinda sad though humanity couldnt defend earth from the forerunners
Seem like it must have been a fast battle as there appears to be no major damage to the planet itself
carmine sleet
And now the Ace of Spades is a ship with upgrades applied to it in the same manner thanks to Spark
half apex
design wise, forunner weapons have parts that seem to float
most commonly the stock
( the stock is the part of the gun that you use to aim with )
pretty sure...
carmine sleet
Aye, most Forerunner weapons feature floaty bits
terse lava
I have the book and somehow forgot that
Btw wondering, seeing as the covenant was able to replicate some forerunner tech and terraform, wouldn't they truly have been low tier 1
simple locust
The ancient humans also seem to possess a pistol but from what I can tell only the back of the gun is shown.
terse lava
It is mentioned they had pulse rilfes
Think from the light rifle bio, which mentioned it was used to go after humans in sieges and to counter their pulse rilfea
simple locust
Are they the same pulse rifles that the San Shyuum had?
terse lava
I would assume far more advanced
simple locust
Would they look like the ones from the Alien series?
terse lava
We saw humans holding what are presumed to be them
terse lava
Funny to think they didint have something more advanced
jolly furnace
Mythos or Warfleet revealed humanity repelled the Flood with Neural Physical attacks which implies they must have had an understanding of Neural Physics and Precursor tech to do it
Basically assets were reused in the terminals for both human and forerunner ships. The concept of all of them is titled as ancient human ship concepts so.
For instance an early terminal has ships from that concept used for forerunner ships entering requiem at the start. And later as part of a flood infected forerunner fleet. If you look closely you can see they are identical to human ships in an earlier terminal such as LoA's ship.
Canonically you could say the forerunners took some human ships and added them to their fleets after the war.
At least for later terminal you can
terse lava
Touche
Also, quote that humans repelled the flood with Neural Physics
I have both books, and dont recall that
jolly furnace
I'll have to find it.
terse lava
Ok
Don't think anyone knew how to operate that stuff, and humanity thought they repelled the flood with genes
jolly furnace
The rate of the Builders, led by Faber-of-Will-and-Might--also known as the Master Builder--offered an alternative. According to human records, the Flood was vulnerable to specific neural physical attacks, which often forced it to recoil, even retreat. The Master Builder, therefore, proposed the creation of a neural physical weapons system. -pg. 18
The cure was destructive genes. That in the last 90 years of the war
which didnt work we now know
This quote about Faber actually matches up nicely with what he said in Silentium when he told the council he gained inspiration for his Halos
If the Flood was repelled using neural physical attacks then some progress would had to be made understanding it by AH and the SS.
I would think anyway
But I can't imagine forerunners not being able to defend against weapons not based on Precursor science
hence why i think that was involved
terse lava
Hm a good point, you said this was during the last 90 years of which war though? Human-flood, human-forerunner, or forerunner-flood?
jolly furnace
both were happening at the same time
human-flood war started at least a couple centuries before the human-forerunner one according to cryptum
terse lava
I am thinking now though humanity may have begun developing neural physics on their own in a similar way to the forerunners and the composer. Difference being humanity threw theirs into war
jolly furnace
the flood retreated between the primordial being found and the charum hakkor seige starting
terse lava
Yea, thus why inward curious if it was. Before the forerunners got invovled
jolly furnace
No idea. I don't know when they started researching NP.
I would think they did it prior to the war cos Cryptum mentions they were gathering and reverse-engineering precursor tech on charum hakkor
The way cryptum words it suggests it was prior to the war
But then stuff in cryptum has been retconned later on in the next 2 books so.
So humanity made the cure within 40 years before the charum hakkor seige started.
And they fought the flood for over 1000 years prior to that siege since the human-flood began before the human-forerunner war.
So they began their neural physics research at the latest after the forerunners began warrin with humanity.
before the war at the earliest
feral perch
Humanity never actually made a cure for the Flood.
jolly furnace
I know
feral perch
yeah
jolly furnace
I would find it odd nowadays if that had done it though
Cos creating destructive/defective genes and implanting them into people would have been well within forerunner capabilities
Maybe even modern humanity aswell
So if thats all it took to destroy the Flood then...
it wouldn't have been that hard
I think
terse lava
Likely was different in some form or fashion.
jolly furnace
It would have had to have been really unique if it had worked
or else the forerunners would've undoubtedly figured it out
I mean I know several sci-fi races who could have pulled that off
I wonder if they tried a nanites
U know a nanite bio weapon
create simple, non-sapient machines capable of organic inflitration, assimilation and self replication encoded with an extreme aggression with the directive to target and destroy flood cells and biomatter immediately upon detection.
versed helm
That sounds like something modern humanity could pull off too
terse lava
Doubt it for 2 reasons
- Logic plague was active during their war and 2. they likely wouldn't have bothered injecting it into humans and putting those humans into the path of the flood
jolly furnace
Logic plague wouldnt work. Not intelligent
Logic plague requires the target be sapient
terse lava
A point was.made with giving up 1/3 of humanity for the "cure" to work
jolly furnace
I imagine that 1/3 was forced into it
terse lava
Logic plague would have to work, otherwise the forerunners and ancient humandnwould have system wide clouds of nanites
jolly furnace
From what i understand logic plague doesnt work unless the target is sapient
these nanites would not be
Its only a suggestion
I imagine it was tried and failed by both factions
versed helm
How many races did AH destroy other than those 50 star systems?
jolly furnace
Probably a lot
they were cleansing flood worlds
an the flood infected 100s of worlds before humanity got going on that
as per Mythos
civilizations and empires were wiped out by the time AH got on the exterminatus
versed helm
I still have feelings that parts of the Halo galaxy just seem..empty,like nothing lives in them,just barren lifeless worlds
Remember that Halo CEA/Halo Reach map Solitary?
carmine sleet
You mean the remake of Prisoner
terse lava
A good chunk likly could gave been wiped by AH and the forerunners
versed helm
What if it's possible that Solitary was built to imprison an alien race that somehow pissed off the Forerunners
terse lava
It was a single being too not a race
jolly furnace
and they were the big threat back then
it can mean flood in this case
I dont think it was anything else
versed helm
From all the times that i went through that map,i saw no signs of Flood biomass
Wait,and iirc,Solitary was located on a planet with 5 suns
terse lava
There are multiple prisons too
jolly furnace
Oh was it?
Ok then
Well i dont expect any mention of it again
And since it was back in CE, the flood was only threat we knew so.
logic dictates it was flood
versed helm
I'm looking at the panorama for Solitary right now and i see some sort of reddish planet in the background too
jolly furnace
the fact its set in a frozen locale makes me think it contained flood once
since that environment can stifle flood growth
but who knows
we likely never will
terse lava
True
abstract venture
Logic plague works on forerunner armigers/soldiers
Which I'm pretty sure are dumb ai
Or not sentient
terse lava
I would say just the fact that neither civs used nanite clouds with their fleets
terse lava
Btw in regards to halo wars would it be canon that they used nanites to build their bases?
fair hazel
terse lava
Just an icy part of a planet along with multiple other such buildings
jolly furnace
UNSC does use nanotechnology to an extent
not to build bases i dont think
it is used in space tethers though
terse lava
I mean the covenant
terse lava
That's why I was curious as you are their bases just fade into existence from a beam
jolly furnace
oh that's covie based being teleported in
they are already built
and on an orbiting ship
i think
I don't think they have matter-energy-matter conversion tech on that scale
terse lava
They do, that's how their vessels are. Built, by nano clouds.....and now I feel like an utter audit for answering my own question
jolly furnace
I dont mean like nano tech
I mean like replication tech like Star trek replicators
Like converting energy into matter to make anything
I dont think that what;s going on with the HW base construction
I think those bases are just teleported down
terse lava
No, you see them fade into existence
And if you zoom out, there's a bright light above the building being made
terse lava
Hm? You see s phantom just teleport there, not sit there as a ghost before arriving fully
jolly furnace
the phantom and stuff teleport in like a citadel in HW
Covenant citadels and their supporting sub-structures are teleported into the battlefield whole. From here, supplies are driven into the base via gravity lift and stored in the Warehouses.[1] Once established, a large Teleportation pad is established in the front of the base, which can be used to move troops and vehicles to the front lines of the battle. The citadel does not appear to have any physical openings for which to enter or exit the base - troops simply use teleporters to enter and exit the base. When threatened, the base can lock down, which will establish a shield around the teleporter into the base to prevent unauthorised entry or exit into or out of the base.
the bases are pre-built and stored on a ship and teleported down
it just happens slowly
they dont function like ST teleporters
simple locust
So what wars preceded the Human-Flood war? Were there any besides the Forerunner-Precurser and Forerunner civil wars?
jolly furnace
The bases are not constructed via nanites in HW
terse lava
I will have to check the pahntom.again, but as for the troops there is a door. You see it in Rise of Atriox. He enters through it
jolly furnace
HW2 i dont know bout. never played it
terse lava
Doors
jolly furnace
wars in halo - forerunner-precursor war, forerunner civil war/kradal conflicts, human-flood war, human-forerunner war (overlaps with previous war), forerunner-flood war
terse lava
Hm?
simple locust
What was the Forerunner Civil War about?
jolly furnace
who knows
terse lava
Which one? Forerunners had many civil wars
jolly furnace
the only one mentioned
kradal conflicts 500,000 BCE
The Kradal conflicts, sometimes known collectively as the Kradal conflict,[1] were a series of bloody Forerunner civil wars that took place in the galactic center at some point before the human-Forerunner war. Bitterness-of-the-Vanquished commanded Warrior-Servant forces during these conflicts,[2] which saw the loss of countless warriors.[1] The Z-130 Suppressor was first used during the Kradal conflicts.[3] A stone monument was later erected in the memory of the conflicts.[1]
I think thats when it was said to take place
I just remember a reference to a civil war half a million years ago in Silentium
probably not the kradal conflict
but a foerunner civil war for sure
simple locust
Is there any background information for the grey aliens,the demons, and any of the other species from the cancelled Halo MMO?
jolly furnace
Over the course of their history, the Forerunners fought each other in a number of civil wars, one of which took place over half a million years before their war against the Flood. To safeguard the Orion complex—the center of the ecumene's governance—during these conflicts, the Forerunners constructed the Maginot Line, an immense array of defensive installations spread out in a sphere which completely surrounded the Orion complex. This defense was meant to repel any possible enemy incursion, but it eventually proved vulnerable against an unconventional attack.[12] During the civil wars, the Builder rate first rose to supremacy and initiated a cultural purge of the other rates, such as Warriors and Miners, which involved the suppression of their ancient rituals.[13]
No those species are not canon
no info on them exists outside what we know
not canon anyway
simple locust
It would be cool for the demons to be slipspace demons.
carmine sleet
Slipspace demons sounds like a horrible idea
jolly furnace
like a species that lives in slipspace
terse lava
Why couldnt the kradal conflicts be that war 500,000 years ago?
jolly furnace
that may be a thing if halsey's journal is anything to go back
simple locust
@jolly furnace Yeah sorta like those creatures from Star Wars legends.
They could eat people.
jolly furnace
if the kradal conflict took place 500,000 years ago that would have made bitterness of the vanquished 500,000 years old by her death. i dont buy her being that old or not dying by then
I dont know of those SW creatures
simple locust
@carmine sleet Why? Also how and why do people get lost in slipspace?
terse lava
I dont see a problem with her being that old, didnt silentium imply the librarian got a copy of a theoretical's book from a memember of that rate? A rate who had been absorbed into the builders 1 million years ago?
jolly furnace
Basically halsey did an experiment with an AI seeing if it could be uploaded into slipspace. the AI went insane and mentioned "voices in th mist"
suggesting other intelligenaces were present in slipspace
Maybe older AIs
Precursors maybe
who knows
that theoretical was long dead
carmine sleet
I don't think Slipspace turns people who end up lost in there into demons
jolly furnace
her hard copy book was preserved which was noted to be near-impossible
simple locust
@jolly furnace They are Starweird hyperspace demons I think.
jolly furnace
by that point
never heard of them Arrow
i was thinking more Stellaris energy based species like the Unbidden from another dimension
simple locust
@carmine sleet Not turn them into demons, just where they can eat them or something but that's just my speculation or wants I should say. If they were to return then I would not want them to be an outright evil species, just disagreeable like the Covenant, Flood, and Forerunners. Maybe they could have been made artificially to terrorize and kill people. Also is there a canon reason as to what happens when someone is lost or separated from a ship in slipspace?
simple locust
What happens to their bodies?
jolly furnace
cos reality in slipspace is terrifying
distortion of reality
time
loss of solidity
madness would ensue
you would not have a nice time
simple locust
So do they survive loss of solidity? Do they leave or stay in slipspace?
bright briar
Definitely the green guy.
jolly furnace
I doubt they survive mate
Slipspace isnt like our universe
different law of physics
dont mix with us
we cant survive it
if the laws of physics that govern our universe suddenly change tomorrow, it would be very bad for us
torpid flare
we could time travel with wormholes, apparently the slipspace could travel to different locations in a certain amount, but we could die.
bright briar
Would it be possible for someone to create a form of space station or floating base or something designed to stay in slipspace for extended periods of time, maybe to study it or monitor traffic?
bright briar
Oh, yeah! I completely forgot about those. Would any groups as of 2559 be able to make their own, without just using the Forerunner ones?
torpid flare
what is the oldest human alive in halo?
simple locust
How did Precursor ships function?
jolly furnace
no @bright briar
@torpid flare paragonsky i think
@simple locust we dont know
never seen them
simple locust
Did they use weapons?
jolly furnace
i dont know
carmine sleet
We don't know much about the Precursors in general
versed helm
honestly ok with that
carmine sleet
Honestly, leave it that way, some questions are best left unanswered
versed helm
yea
simple locust
I wonder if their weapons would function like how one of the Bungie creators said he thought people would fight wars in the future, by having someone drink something to have their enemies die.
carmine sleet
That sounds like something that was likely said as a joke, not something to seriously consider
simple locust
I'm certain it was but it seems like it would work with the Precursors since they are supposed to be the most advanced species in Halo and because he was referring to what advanced conflict in the future would be like.
versed helm
@gilded mason
jolly furnace
if they choose to fight in the first place
gilded mason
@versed helm
Hm?
versed helm
the neural physics comment
versed helm
my apologies
simple locust
Is slipspace ever used for combat besides in space and in a smaller scale? Also if I recall correctly neural physics is where all cells of an organism have consciousness but don't know that?
versed helm
probbaly not for combat, idk how it would be able to be used for combat.
neural physics= M A G I C
simple locust
Maybe to drain blood from organisms without having to attack them.
versed helm
i think we are thinking of two different slip spaces
simple locust
I mean to use slipspace to only remove blood but separately from the rest of the organism.
versed helm
Slipspace is what the world uses for intergalactic travel.
simple locust
Instead of for ships travelling just use it to make the blood travel instead of ships.
Would that work?
bright briar
Maybe? But nobody can really make it that small or accurate, since slipspace drives are typically huge and cost a lot. It'd be much easier, quicker and cheaper to shoot them.
carmine sleet
At that point, it's just easier to use a conventional bullet
simple locust
What if it was used from a large distance away?
versed helm
we have many weapons that are very capable far away, AKA the MAC
simple locust
I mean like a planet or solar system away.
versed helm
i do not think there's a need to combat that far away, especially in the way you are theorizing.
And technically, going by Newtons laws of physics, MACs have infinite range in space.
carmine sleet
If you're trying to kill a single person from that distance, you're doing it wrong
The only way you could kill a specific person in a different solar system to you, without building something like Starkiller or a Halo, would be to hire someone to go and kill them
simple locust
So would having projectiles go through the slipstream be more effective?
terse lava
No
Just because it gets sent through does it mean it will pick up any mass or acceleration
versed helm
our MAC's would work just fine, as we usually do anyways
carmine sleet
Slipspace is like another reality, technically, you're not moving at light speed when inside Slipspace. It's weird and someone else would be able to explain it far better than me
terse lava
Well that goes for any projectile
I do find it interesting that the precursors were shocked by the forerunner rebellion. One would think they know of war
terse lava
It was said they were shocked too though
versed helm
oh most definitely, which is odd
terse lava
It leads me to belive the forerunners and precursors may have had a closer relationship then the other precursor creations
versed helm
possibly? or it's because they were so powerful?
still wish we had more about the ancient humans F
terse lava
And yet the forerunners were the only ones who rebelled, even if it was it only the first one that worked?
simple locust
How do Hard light weapons work? Also what other weapons exist that are not projectile, plasma, flame, or laser based?
versed helm
we probably do not know what other weapons there are
terse lava
My personal head canon was the forerunners were precursor enforcers. It would explain why warrior servants were once at the top and lacked the "servant" part. The ur-didact even comments that the precursors likely wanted to only create. The gravemind implies the same.
Thus they make a race to erase those who fail the mantle, and a reason for the forerunner shocker, they thought they were doing their job
simple locust
How many species have had black hole weapons?
versed helm
@simple locust you can probably use halopedia to find out how they work
terse lava
Would assume the forerunners and covenant, one had the tech needed yet we never see such a thing, while the other was able to craft a black hole- weapon
I wouldn't count it as a "black hole gun" though
versed helm
are you meaning the h5 variant of the covenant sniper?
simple locust
Yes and the plasma pistol.
versed helm
because that may just be gameplay purposes.
do not believe we see that anywhere outside the games
simple locust
It just like it would work better canonically with the Prometheans.
versed helm
it was probably just gameplay fun
simple locust
Probably. Also do any guns in Halo use the same attack method as the Halo rings?
versed helm
impossible by now technology in the Halo universe.
The forerunners couldn't make them that small, so it's improbable we would be able to
molten acorn
simple locust
What is the purpose of the Halo Wars 2 sniper helmet?
obsidian thistle
Uncertain. But it looks cool amiright
simple locust
Does the sniper see outside of the helmet or does it use the drone for that?
jolly furnace
Precursor-forerunner connection is this per warfleet - precursors create forerunners. they realize they are useful companions and tools. they use them as adjutants - enforcers. So odds are they used the forerunners as Mantle enforcers for them. it would explain the forerunners general arrogance.
and attitude
They likely thought they would be given the Mantle as a result. But didn't like it when they weren't chosen.
Maybe they were to be the enforcers for those who were to hold the Mantle (which according to gravemind was to be humans)
and not be the holders themselves
Weapons ammunition that existed includes projectiles, plasma, anitmatter, hardlight, lasers
fire
terse lava
I could see that as forerunner reason, not wanting to serve a lesser race when they have done more in their eyes. When they were first told they obviously didnt agree with their creators. As a result of this, the precursors debated on just wiping out their "most destructive creation." Whwn the forerunners find this out, that's when they lash out, to the precursor's puzzlement.
From the precursor point of view, they didnt make an official decision yet and hadn't realized the forerunners found out.
jolly furnace
Ultimately we dont know
Mythos says the Precursors decided to erase the FRs after they saw the FRs growing arrogant and didn't like where it was leading.
The FRs were spying on them with a fleet they sent to Path Kethona and then reported back and the council decided to wipe out the Precursors.
But Mythos was compiled by the Auditor and may some human bias or lack of info in it
Also that record states the Precusors had long since left the MWG and were only in Path Kethona at that point which is at odds with Grravemind's version of it all
terse lava
I wouldn't trust the gravemind too much
tame maple
quick question: Why are some aliens good and most bad
gilded mason
It's complex. There's a large variety of cultures and factions that have different ideologies and viewpoints
tame maple
oh i see
versed helm
That's like asking
"Why are some humans good and some bad"
Aliens are people, and subject to the same moral complexities as us
snow halo
in what order should I read the books and play the games
gilded mason
Release order
snow halo
ok
versed helm
Is Rtas aware of the created yet?
gilded mason
Probably
versed helm
I want him to return so badly
gilded mason
Same. And while I'm not exactly a fan of his actor, his voice was great.
versed helm
Yep, honestly Rtas is probably my favorite split lip.
simple locust
@gilded mason Why not?
Did any species besides Humans and Forerunners fight in their war against each other?
versed helm
The flood
There were the human-flood wars and the and the Forerunner-Flood wars
And the human-Covenant war
Forerunner-Precursor wars
Swords of Sanghilios-new Covenant war
simple locust
In the Human-Forerunner war besides the Prophets were there any other species involved?
terse lava
We know forerunner servant races helped clear out human redoubts
simple locust
Did ancient human differ in appearance or were there any sub races or species? Did they ever make like a human-ape warrior?
terse lava
We see how humans looked in the forerunner terminals, as for sub races, I think humanity was composed of multiple species at the time all united
Yet, I so recall xryptum saying was shattered into multiple races after the war
simple locust
Was was different about the races?
terse lava
Height and whatnot,
I think that was retconned though so they were one whole race rather then a United species
jolly furnace
humanity was composed of many different species during the time of the ancient human empire
Those that remained after devolution then further evolved into new species and sub-species
who were then all wiped out over time till homo sapiens remained
terse lava
Wouldn't the LOA and his troops be sapiens?
jolly furnace
Not nessecarily
They look alot like them
though
Homo sapiens are the youngest of the homo genus
I think
They've been around for 200,000 years I think
which should put them as part of the AH empire
I think
Whether LOA and his crew were homo sapiens or not I don't know
terse lava
Could be possible each race had a caste and homo sapiens were the warrior caste, as the didact hints towards Chakas.
"But you, you resemble those humans who destroyed my fleets."
Where he is pretty chill with little Riser
half apex
were there any covenant in new Phoenix when everyone who was there got composed?
I wanna see what a composed elite looks like tbh
terse lava
No, but there was concept art
half apex
hmm? where can i find some pics?
terse lava
K
half apex
but where did he get the link for those pics in his video?
jolly furnace
I dont think ancient humanity had a caste system like forerunners. That's just resusing the same concept a 3rd time.
I assume AH was more like us or the modern humanity in halo
in terms of scoiety
Although it became exceedingly militarized toward the end of the war
terse lava
That's what I was referring too, the final decades of Charrum Hakkor
spiral jewel
During the Battles of/for Earth , which countries didn't see Covenant forces (meaning none shown up whatsoever), if any?
carmine sleet
Unknown. We can only list countries where we know they did attack
half apex
As far as I know, the only places of combat in the Battle of Earth was New Mombasa and Cleveland TN
carmine sleet
Cuba and Antarctica also saw conflict if I recall correctly
spiral jewel
Didn't realize that it spred to Cuba and Antarctica.
half apex
Hey did you guys know that we would have had doggos in halo 5...
yeah it's sad that we didn't :c
carmine sleet
Dogs aren't needed in Halo
terse lava
Dont forget the Gulf of Mexico. Covenant were doing underwater digging there
half apex
no
terse lava
Hm?
terse lava
Oh
half apex
battle hardened soldiers
stoic hamlet
They don’t really need/would probably just disregard the therapy dogs.
II’s and III’s, anyways.
terse lava
I could see the younger 3s maybe warm up to the idea
stoic hamlet
Maybe. I suppose it depends on the environment.
They might comply with spending time with the dogs due to orders but not see a real purpose to it.
It would take some warming up, definitely.
terse lava
True
quartz venture
So i google up the halo infinite cast, and it shows up with The Timeless One (Primordial) as being in the cast
As in a voice actor obviously
humble yacht
IMDb is a community sourced page and not accurate
carmine sleet
I wouldn't trust anything from IMDB right now
quartz venture
Fair
carmine sleet
Plus, I doubt they've got Kermit the Frog to play anyone
gilded mason
But Brute 3, man...the Chosen One.
quartz venture
Maybe gravemind is voiced by Kermit
Just lost his voice or sumtin
Anyway thx just needed to clear things up cos i thought the Primordian was dead and was confused
quartz venture
True
I need to get into the lore more, halo prob has some of if not the best game lore
Is there any books that are good for it?
gilded mason
I mean, all the books have lore.
terse lava
But broken circle has the best lore
quartz venture
I was looking at the halo evoloutions one which contains multiple stories cos the Mona Lisa looked good, but i will look into Broken Circle
terse lava
If you are a covie fan it's a must
carmine sleet
Look into all the books, many of them are great reads
terse lava
First part takes place during the first year of the covenant existence and 2nd part during halo 2
gilded mason
Ye, and then its fracturing
terse lava
Well technically the first part takes place a decade before the covenant forms
gilded mason
Only part of it
gilded mason
The rest of Part 1 is after the formation
quartz venture
Always love reading the backstories of stuff
Tbh i prob know most of the lore due to the amount of HiddenXperia I've watched lol
terse lava
Not bad
quartz venture
And i stopped watching Halo Follower cos apparently the lore he spoke of wasn't true
terse lava
Pretty much
abstract venture
Yeah
simple locust
Why does Johnson not have shoulder armor in Halo CE?
obsidian thistle
My advice stick to sources or wikis that source the info correctly.
terse lava
Think just because johnson in halo ce was just a generic homage to the sgt in aliens.
simple locust
It makes sense when he wears the uniform without any armor but why leave it off of the shoulders when he has the all of the other pieces? Doesn't he have shoulder armor in Halo 2 and 3?
simple locust
Is the only difference for the Halo 1 and 2 marines the amount of armor and colors?
terse lava
Would say so
Was a covenant carrier able to shrug off a mac round? I ask that due to that halo 2 quote of hood ordering cortana to hit the carrier. Later they both just breeze through the mac system
gilded mason
Yeah, it was specified Cortana would only fire at Regret's carrier with the SMAC once it got in the killzone.
And then she did several times
So I'm guessing the shields were able to tank all the hits.
terse lava
That's what I thought
abstract venture
Yes
SMACs fire every 5 seconds with 'pinpoint accuracy'
and there's a timeline of the battle somewhere where the Covie ships are within the Killzone for atleast 10 mins before they escape to the surface
Also the game mission in general shows them there for a while
terse lava
Quite an impressive feat
jolly furnace
I doubt AH had a caste system in the final decades of the war. I assume just at a certain point, marital law was enforced indefinitely and all humans had to have military training of some kind no ifs buts.
Due to them facing utter extinction at forerunner hands
U could do ur normal jobs whatever but u were legally required to do military training at some point or a certain age.
Then i could either stay on or go back to whatever u did.
Cos war efforts would need such things
Most if not all of human society at that point would be geared toward the war effort
especially those stuck on Charum hakkor
terse lava
Well dont forget they had children trained too as defense forces
jolly furnace
Yeah
So all humans got military training from an early age by then
Need as many fighting as possible
Cos the FRs would have wiped out humanity
abstract venture
Hopefully we can see prelates in Halo infinite
It would make for cool boss fights
jolly furnace
I dont expect that at all
carmine sleet
Pretty sure the last one died during Shadow of Intent
abstract venture
Shadow of Intent was inconsistent
jolly furnace
They wouldnt last long against spartans though. since they cant go for long periods
abstract venture
It stated that tons of them escaped and we know there's an entire fleet of Prophet ships
jolly furnace
spartans can
abstract venture
Then it states that those 2 prophets in the story didn't see any other prelates
And they aren't sure if any others are alive
carmine sleet
It stated that some Prophets escaped the destruction, not Prelates
abstract venture
But dozens of their warships evacuated prophets from high charity
The Prelates controlled the ships that evacuated them
Also Prelates were stated by Joseph Staten to be more powerful than Spartans
jolly furnace
i dont buy that one bit
carmine sleet
Nobody was calling into question their strength
abstract venture
Not strength
carmine sleet
But the short story makes it clear that Tem was the last of the Prelates and doesn't change that fact at all
abstract venture
I think the exact quote was they are capable of beating Spartans in single combat
And shadow of intent doesn't state they are the last ones
Ita vague as the characters don't know if there are others but its stated by half jaw that dozens of prelates escapes
versed helm
Shadow of Intent has a Grunt who, at some point, managed to survive a Spartan in single combat.
Clearly Staten takes a realistic view of combat in which context is key
abstract venture
He's the original lead writer for Halo
gilded mason
Because Stolt is a cool dude
abstract venture
Statens opinion >>>> randoms
jolly furnace
Yeah fine they can win. But the prelates cant go long term in combat at full potential.
versed helm
Different people have different capabilities but lady luck and tactics are what will always win the day.
I'm not disagreeing with the source
jolly furnace
that's the drawback to their augments
versed helm
I'm saying y'all got a dumb way of looking at it
abstract venture
Also Stilt was like over 7 ft tall, beats elites in melee combat and chokes out brutes
It's clear he's not an ordinary grunt
Yeah the prelates have less stamina, but your original point was they wouldn't last long against Spartans which isnt necessarily true
versed helm
I don't really see Prelates being able to overcome MJOLNIR
They seem very... squishy.
jolly furnace
SanShyuum sadly can only do so much to overcome their genetic degradation.
Which may or not have forerunners doing
abstract venture
He was durable enough to tank direct energy sword hits, and strong enough to clash with ranger elites who were charging with the same force as brutes
He's a supersoldier, just like spartans
Noones going to downplay a Spartan because of what a normal human is capable of
simple locust
They could make more prelates.
terse lava
Could have sworn their cruddy Genes were indeed forerunner influence
abstract venture
Prelate IIs
terse lava
They can't make more
versed helm
Give a human soldier a combat knife and they'll have a good chance against a grunt or jackal
simple locust
Why not?
terse lava
The sacred promissory was in high charity
versed helm
An ODST probably wouldn't even need the knife
terse lava
That's where they were created
abstract venture
Sacred Promissory II
jolly furnace
human soldiers can fight. human civies they dont match up to covies
simple locust
Could the just make another sacred promissory?
versed helm
Wasn't there a class of Covenant support ship in Warfleet that had "genecrafter vaults" in some way related to Prelates?
terse lava
Doubt it, the minister outright says the one in high charity had the largest collection of forerunner artifacts in the Covenant
simple locust
So how strong is a prophet compared to an elite or jackal?
terse lava
Yea, that's the odd part, the agriculture vessels
jolly furnace
uh old san shyuum - weak and frail
san shyuum in general were frail due to their inbreeding
and possible foreruner genetic screwery as punishment for their alliance with humans
abstract venture
Yo
simple locust
How strong were ancient Prophets when they allied with humanity?
abstract venture
Wasn't it stated that the 'covenant faction' in Infinite isn't going to be one we expect (Atriox/Sali Nyon/etc)?
jolly furnace
minus forerunner
versed helm
It seems like humanity provided the military strength of that relationship.
That's really all we know
Though the tech of that era was probably more than sufficient to overcome a species' weaknesses
terse lava
I would say ancient san shyuum were close to sangheili in strength
abstract venture
I think the Prophet faction could be a good bet on the covenant faction we face
simple locust
Would getting headshots on them be easier than other species?
jolly furnace
My guess is humanity led military actions for the most part in the alliance
versed helm
I mean, they did
I can't think of any mention being made of Prophets fighting the Forerunners
terse lava
Well also hinted humanity forced the san shyuum into the alliance
versed helm
Hinted?
terse lava
Touche
abstract venture
The Didact said something along the lines of while the human prophet alliance was going strong, the humans were evil enough that within a few centuries they would probably have enslaved the prophets as well
It's been a while since I read it but the quote was something along those lines
terse lava
Not really, they had common enemies then
abstract venture
Yeah it's propganda
terse lava
Flood and forerunner
abstract venture
Since the Forerunners had a really negative view of humanity in general at the time
jolly furnace
I dont take didacts opinion on the matter as reliable
terse lava
Not propaganda, just forerunner bias
abstract venture
They thought they were trying to conquer the galaxy and didn't know they were actually fighting the flood at that time
Yeah bias is more accurate
jolly furnace
Librarian suggested humanity force the san shyuum into the allaince, again not something i consider a reliable opinion
especially since the SS had more advanced tech in areas i think
terse lava
The problem here is what positive view if humanity do we have from that time?
jolly furnace
Well LOA took pride in humanity's planet wide rail way systems at least
Yeah...
congrats
great....
terse lava
Heck, we dont even know what humanity called their civilization at that time
jolly furnace
Uh im gonna say the empire
terse lava
Ok empire
jolly furnace
or just hamanush
terse lava
That was a term purely for Riser's people 10,000 years later
jolly furnace
No Hamanush i think was the term back then aswell. i don't know
and riser is chamanush
it was changed later
cos hamanush is dervied from Romani language for human
and riser is a Florain. A hobbit
terse lava
Mhm
jolly furnace
basically stuff in cryptum was retconned in later books
like when the forerunners started warring with humanity
how far back forerunner records of their own species goes
and humanity's
terse lava
Yep
Well it was said humanity went through dark ages.so that one is not a massive stretch
jolly furnace
the issue is forerunner records
of their own people change between books
they go from barely having records 50,000 years back from halo firing to millions like they always had them
terse lava
Well remember
jolly furnace
heck their capital only had 20,000 years of records
terse lava
Crytpum was narrated by a 12 year old
A young forerunner
The didact even said in the first book there are things builders hide from their young
jolly furnace
Except some of this info on these records came from librarians own research
basically its inconsistant
even didact telling librarian bout primordial was retconned
and this was from didacts own memory we learn he told her
terse lava
Touche
jolly furnace
and then in silentium librarian tells us he didac
Like 343I make up ur minds please
some of it can be explained
other stuff can't
and that annoys me
terse lava
Makes me happy the covenant didnt suffer nearly as bad
But you are right, when it comes to the ancient era, it was made a big mess
How would you have changed things I am curious now? @jolly furnace
jolly furnace
Make it more consistent
make updated versions of the forerunner triloy
like they did with fall of reach
abstract venture
The forerunner trilogy is told from an in universe perspective if I remember
So that could explain some inconsistencies as the narrators only knowing that info
terse lava
True but even then there are problems, like the didact not being aware of the flood until humanity's defeat. Silentium then shows warrior servants fighting flood and humans at the same time
Which raises the now classic question of why humans and forerunners didnt ally
terse lava
And yet the covenant and humanity in battles put their hate aside to fight the flood
abstract venture
That's cause they know the full threat of the flood
The Forerunners/humanity didn't at the time
jolly furnace
cryptum has didact say humanity only began fighting the forerunenrs AFTER defeating the flood too
terse lava
Lifeworkers during the human forerunner war said that even at that stage, the flood could overwhelm the galaxy within a couple centuries
jolly furnace
Yeah
and that librarian beleived the cure didnt exist yet in cryptum she bases her whole research around it
terse lava
And the LOA burnt forerunner planets without warning as telling them gave the flood more time
Both sides knew the threat
abstract venture
The Flood weren't defeated by humanity
They just stopped attacking them
They went after the Forerunners for a bit then retreated the galaxy
terse lava
Yea
jolly furnace
Basically i would release an updated version of the saga
obsidian thistle
Hmmm
Well if any of y'all have a device with Flash. You can possibily get a lil extended reading on the Forerunners research on the Flood on the IRIS "servers" here! I mean its not much but may help a lil. :) https://archives.halopedia.org
terse lava
That was interesting back in the day, good times
jolly furnace
Yeah question
Is that Iris image the one where the alleged forerunners appeared back in the day
like between 2007-2009
the 5th iris thumbnail
I remember an image of that supposedly had 2 forerunners in an image on left and right
sides
terse lava
That bionicle looking guy?
terse lava
I recall back then it was a yellow/orange face/mask
People did argue if it was a forerunner hologram or not
jolly furnace
there was 2 figures in the image i think
i dont remember
sadly
i think the image was fake
terse lava
I am pretty certain I know what you are talking about, @obsidian thistle wasnt there an image pre-halo 3 on halopedia back in the day that had the "forerunner image"?
jolly furnace
i do not know
terse lava
Yea asking CIA if they know of it
terse lava
Maybe try checking the forerunner page on there. I think it may be in the topic discussion page
jolly furnace
Il give it a go
terse lava
Same
simple locust
Did the Flood retreat on purpose as to not appear to be a threat to the Forerunners?
jolly furnace
to trick them into preserving humanity for later
terse lava
Mhm
simple locust
Or to have them fight each other to weaken them both, sorta like how the Caliphate destroyed the Sassanid and Byzantine empires by fighting them when they were exhausted from fighting.
abstract venture
Nah
The Flood would have steamrolled the Forerunners if they kept fighting as stated by themselves, the Flood was basically just screwing around with them
jolly furnace
yeh
simple locust
Why are the lights on human ships blue but their helmet lights are red?
terse lava
Ancient humans?
jolly furnace
because?....
terse lava
Yea...no real reasoning can think up
terse lava
Oh?
jolly furnace
jolly furnace
Yeah
Wonder where that came from
Revision as of 19:50, October 13, 2007 by 71.72.231.79 (talk) (→Known History)
that's the version of the history the image is in
terse lava
It's from the pre halo 3 iris campaign
terse lava
That figure was always there far as I I rememebr
sturdy pebble
i remember this time in halo, where master beef was able to kill the convenient ship, and was able to become friends and marry the orbiter.
jolly furnace
i dont recall it
sturdy pebble
good times 😉
jolly furnace
i dont recall the figure being in the image originally
terse lava
Hm
obsidian thistle
Note to self: Purge that image
XD Its very... ehhh whats the word... misleading.
jolly furnace
looks more like a ghost
obsidian thistle
I'll be rehauling the IRIS pages soon enough on the wiki. If ya all want. I can show off some finds. Though if they have any meaning 12 years later... I doubt it.
terse lava
Maybe
simple locust
Did the Pheru survive?
simple locust
When did they die out?
terse lava
When the halo was tested there
dull fox
they were docile, household pets iirc
and the ancient humans were far more advanced than today humans or UNSC-era humans, so I don't think they'd have had a need for attack animals, but I suppose it's possible
terse lava
Pretty much just house pets, some were even used as food
torpid flare
there is no pilot when you hijack the banshees
but in winter contigency, there is a pilot in the destroyed banshee
terse lava
...ok?
fresh vortex
are mechanical hands armored or just openly exposed?
not entire mechanical arms, just hands themselves
green acorn
Not really sure about just the hand, but based on what Kat’s prosthetic arm was like, she had armor plating on her hand. So I would say yes, but not a definite yes..
@fresh vortex
versed helm
I'd say the arms themselves are built for durability
Kat's would probably be about the toughest you could get
Clearly it would integrate the necessary waveguides for energy shields
primal prairie
@versed helm we all know kats arm was made from a terminator 😂
terse lava
Noticed in mythos it claims that had the san shyuum not betrayed the humans, the battle of Charrum Hakkor would have gone on indefinitely. There really any truth to that with how massive the forerunner navy was?
safe siren
Humans probably used the Precursors structures to dissipate the siege, so it may be possible that it wasn't that easy for the Forerunners to win. Maybe not indefinitely, but they could have been able to fight for a bit more
terse lava
That's why I find it an odd claim. Once the forerunners stopped caring for losses they just zerged the defense6 with waves of vessels
torpid flare
what if the arbiter betrayed humans after the human vs covenant war.
humble yacht
Then the UNSC would fight back
terse lava
And lose
humble yacht
I don’t know about. The SoS don’t have nearly the same military force as the United covenant empire
terse lava
Still.enough covenant vessels to wipe out earth
True, I look at it as just s fleet of 12 was a threat to earth from halo 3
Why threaten to glass a world if orbital defenses could take out your fleet? Not many left if any at all
humble yacht
What does Italy have to do with anything?
abstract venture
italy is too powerful to glass
humble yacht
The sangheili mandibles cannot properly break up the noodles and they get wrapped around their mandibles and suffocate them
torpid flare
sangheili is bad at eating pasta, what a silly alien race.
versed helm
The mandibles would be good at carrying the pasta, nothing more
If 343 does introduce the Flood to Infinite, do you think they'll introduce new forms? Like the shielded carrier forms and stuff like that?
Or do you think they'll keep the same forms they used throughout 3?
humble yacht
If the flood show up in infinite, I think the potential for new forms is decent
However I’m hoping to see little-to-no flood in Infinite
terse lava
@humble yachtsorry met orbital not Italy
torpid flare
@terse lava there are no accidents
tepid lynx
lol
sangheili is bad at eating pasta, what a silly alien race.
@torpid flare i believe you mean spaghetti not pasta.
humble yacht
Spaghetti is a type of pasta
tepid lynx
i wonder what the unggoy think of dog food
half apex
they are probably fed the covenant equal
tepid lynx
apparently they are scared of cats
humble yacht
As they should be
tepid lynx
As they should be
@humble yacht why.... i mean cats are awsome but a grunt with a plasma pistol vs a cat? really
humble yacht
Look at how cats have dominated human culture both in the past and in modern day
And they don’t even do anything
That is a fearsome attribute
tepid lynx
true... hmm i wonder if the war would have gone differently if we used cats a phycological weapons.
humble yacht
Probably
dull fox
they'd serve both as morale boosters for the UNSC troops and for fear tactics against the Covenant lol
tepid lynx
ya because the grunts more or less make up the bulk of covie troops
dull fox
then again, grunts are scared of like everything though
humble yacht
Imagine the covenant battle net getting clogged up with cat memes
mystic harness
half apex
like other halo universes?
jolly furnace
Issue for forerunners during the seige was they couldnt get past precursor fortifications
So for all we know the seige could have gone on indefinitely
All we know is it took the SS betraying the Alliance for the forerunners to break through the planet's orbiatal defenses
simple locust
Could the Folasteeds be turned into other combat forms and space ships? I was thinking of that because of the Yu Sang Vong from Star Wars legends have organic ships.
humble yacht
folasteeds were not a single biological unit, but rather a collection of vines/plants
they probably wouldn't be suitable to make a combat form in the same way that lekgolo aren't suitable
simple locust
How did they attack things with their vines?
terse lava
Thought he met combat form in the form a mgalekgolo is a combat unit for the lekgolo
humble yacht
oh
simple locust
So were the Stoics only opposed to using Forerunner technology or just all technology in general?
humble yacht
combat form has specific connotations for the Halo universe
simple locust
Not a flood combat form, just a different body shape for combat.
humble yacht
i'm sure folasteeds could assume a non-animalistic form if necessary
but not a spaceship
jolly furnace
Folasteeds were biologically altered i think
I mean we have demonic trees on the Ark in Hunters of the Dark novel
basically evil Ents from LOTR
simple locust
What would they need to become a space ship?
humble yacht
first they'd need to tackle getting off planet
that would require either alot of propulsion energy or assuming a fligh-capable form that could use lift to get really high, then try to hit escape velocity tangentially
then you'd need a form that was airtight and could also expel energy in any direction in order to fly in a vaccuum
being a biological being would mean no navigational systems so you'd only be able to fly by looking out into space, which isn't super useful
simple locust
Could hardened tree sap keep the oxygen in the ship?
humble yacht
probably not
terse lava
Besides, don't think it was ever stated they shunned all tech, just messing with forerunner tech
terse lava
So, do you think the covenant had movies showing what they thought of the forerunner flood war