#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 300

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 3:01 PM

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in kill count

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chief has a high count due to the flood and the grunts

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or destroying entire rings and ships

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What country is close to the Covenant in terms of ruling?

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 3:34 PM

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The Vatican

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The covenant is a theocracy

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 3:54 PM

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no

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theres no modern comparison to make

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it takes too many aspects from too many different political ideologies that in modern and historic times dont have many things in common and should not work together

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No

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a better way to phrase it is that they follow the precursor sense of the mantle

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 4:05 PM

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The closest modern political equivalent to the Covenant would be a theocracy

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:05 PM

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The Vatican and any Islamic-ruled country are somewhat comparable to the Covies

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Closest means about 30% similarity

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Well no, StoneWall, when you look at Saudi Arabia, that's a monarchy

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:06 PM

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So that’s one exception

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Pakistan is a republic

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I actually can't think of any Islamic state that is ruled by a religious leader

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:09 PM

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But even then, Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of Islam and it’s ruled along very religious lines.

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According to Wikipedia, anyway

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 4:09 PM

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yes but the covenant is ruled by essentially a triad of popes

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Dont follow wikipedia

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:10 PM

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I think I will, though.

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 4:10 PM

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a leader who is religious is not the same thing as a religious leader

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Islam is a pretty complicated religion and doesnt follow the structure of the covenant at all

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Not even close

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:10 PM

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I didn’t say that, but the strict dogma is there.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Oh dear

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Its not

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I think you are missing the point of the question

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Islam is pretty strict so i can see how you could make that comparison

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:11 PM

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At least in Saudi Arabia, for instance.

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 4:11 PM

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also this isn't the place to break down how modern religions work.

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Fair.

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As long as that’s a standard applied equally.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Lets just say I’m glad I had a long long unit on islam in a lot of history classes

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Anywho

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 4:12 PM

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from a structural standpoint, the covenant is a theocracy, as the government leaders are simultaneously the heads of the religion

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Remember the Covenant were going to have a “dervish” and practice beheadings in the early development of Halo 2

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Stone- dont make that comparison please

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Thats pretty unfair

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:13 PM

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It’s just a fact about development.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:14 PM

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It has nothing to do with the religion

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:14 PM

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We can move on to something else, though.

abstract venture Feb 5, 2020, 4:14 PM

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I dont think any islamic countries are comparable

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:14 PM

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What happens if you flashclone a flashclone?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:14 PM

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nope, only thing i can find comparable is the strictness

abstract venture Feb 5, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Saudi arabia is a kingdom, their leaders dont have any religious authority

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only the vatican is kind of comparable

bright briar Feb 5, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I reckon it would work, though I think they'd live for even less time.

carmine sleet Feb 5, 2020, 4:15 PM

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StoneWall, if you've ever seen what happens when you photocopy a photocopy, you'll know

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I haven’t, actually

carmine sleet Feb 5, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Long story short, the copy of the copy is worse than the copy. You keep going and it'll be barely recognisable eventually

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Its a bit difficult

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The covenant is lead by a court of religious leaders

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Elected by a republican esq council

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But that is selected by race

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Its more of an ancient greek system

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Pre-democratic

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in terms of religion its very similar to both Islam and Medieval Christianity

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its really just a combination

abstract venture Feb 5, 2020, 4:18 PM

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not really

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:19 PM

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what i mean is its very strict

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 4:19 PM

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strictness is independent of structure

abstract venture Feb 5, 2020, 4:19 PM

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yea that doesnt make them similar to them at all though

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anything can be strict

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any organization*

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 4:20 PM

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let's not try to compare the merits of the covenant religion to any modern day religions

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:20 PM

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and if you dont accept their beliefs then you're a heretic, either way can we just accept it is its own thing and really just took inspiration from different believes

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 4:20 PM

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if you want to analyze the structural composition and make modern comparisons, that's fine

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:21 PM

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It borrows themes of the trilogy of middle eastern religions as I call them- Judaism christianity and Islam. Mostly from Christian themes

abstract venture Feb 5, 2020, 4:22 PM

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yea there might be a few vague similarities

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but the actual religion itself I cant think of anything even close between them

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 4:23 PM

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alot of themes were used to create the covenant religion, but at the end of the day it is its own thing.

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Mhmm^^^

quiet umbra Feb 5, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Joseph Staten has said previously that Halo was deliberately written to read like religion

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makes it more memorable

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but they kinda gave it up after Halo 3 😦

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 5:11 PM

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All I wanna know is when you dirty reclaimers are gonna fire my ring so i can go to heaven.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 5:13 PM

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u dont pay is enough boi

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 5:15 PM

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acknowledging humans as reclaimers pretty much means you admit there is no Great Journey

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or at least that you aren't guaranteed to go on the Great Journey, even if you were devoted

hasty locust Feb 5, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Oof

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 5:34 PM

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hears covenant talk wouldn't say that chim. The problem was th hierarchs thinking humans were living forerunners.

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 5:37 PM

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the whole idea of the great journey is a misconception, so misconceptions within that misconception are just an extension

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but even if you want to go that route, once Jul found the Didact, that further invalidated the idea of the Great Journey

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Well yea but I am talking original covenant. Had they only known humans as "reclaimers," rather then Mendicant blanding, " they are my makers". The war likely would not happen

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 5:48 PM

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here I go once again shaking my fist at Greg Bear

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and I don't care if it's fair or not

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Shake your fist at. Bungie not Greg Bear

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 6:35 PM

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no

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:37 PM

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But it was bungie who couldnt decide which parh to go with and eventually made forerunners aliens, not Bear

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Greg Bear only went with what he was given/told

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 6:38 PM

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note that I said

and I don't care if it's fair or not

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Ok, may I ask why then? The forerunners=aliens part or the precursors are crazy part? I just dont dear the appeal of forerunners being humans, as that implies they lost to the flood and then, devolved themselves to primitives? Seems like a pretty weird penance to me

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 6:45 PM

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well i'm being half facetious, for one

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for the other, I think the idea that the Forerunners were ancient, advanced humans who got too haughty and ended up losing their power and influence is pretty compelling; it's a classic human trope.

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and then they decided to let themselves end, but at the same time gave themselves a second chance, erasing all the hubris they'd accumulated in their advancement

clever fable Feb 5, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Do you feel that it is the human connection in particular that makes that seem preferable to you? I think people could argue that many shades of that are still in the story as is, despite the shift in species.

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 6:50 PM

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now that I read that over again, I realize my original thoughts have been mixed with the current canon to the point where I attribute more modern depictions of forerunners with their original depictions

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nothing from the original halo games made the forerunners seem arrogant.

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:53 PM

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But we only had Guilty and the Covenant telling us what forerunners were like

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 6:53 PM

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can't trust the covenant's descriptions

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Then again, the idea of them managing to index the entire galaxy at the time was an impressive feat

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Ok, we only have Guilty then

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 6:54 PM

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the terminals were the most personal and accurate descriptors

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Can the terminals be used here? I am keeping halo 3 out as that's what cemented forerunners as an alien race

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 6:55 PM

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what in halo 3 cemented forerunners as a separate race?

clever fable Feb 5, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Think I'd say the Iris campaign did instead.

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:55 PM

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The fact they found humanity as a new race at the end of the war

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And that ^

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Well will continue this later, lunch break over

abstract venture Feb 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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the last terminal in H3 i think

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where Mendicant bias refers to humans/reclaimers as different from the forerunners

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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the last terminal, the only time he speaks is to Chief. he refers to chief as Reclaimer, but doesn't refer to the forerunners as anything other than his makers/masters

abstract venture Feb 5, 2020, 7:47 PM

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therefore chief isnt a forerunner

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and the rest of humanity aswell

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 7:49 PM

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I don't think the term Reclaimer automatically distinguishes someone as being of a different species. It's just a title

carmine sleet Feb 5, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Aye, it never felt like a species name

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Never got why people think it is

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Also the Cradle of Life comic had ancient Africans observing the Ark portal being constructed.

stoic hamlet Feb 5, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Was in Halo Legends as well

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 8:02 PM

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legends was post 3, tho

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Question Have all the SPI armored S-3 Been equipped with mojlnir gen 2 at this point

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I don't believe the Ferrets have

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 10:10 PM

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There was still also the Liberian competing on primitive humans. Never once does she say they are the same race or some long lost cousins. She rather comments on the planet itself

carmine sleet Feb 5, 2020, 10:16 PM

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@versed helm I believe most S-IIIs that were using SPI during the war are now using Mjolnir in the post war era, granted, there are some that are still using SPI

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Ya as of me just finishing off the pages of Last Light Olivia and Ash both still wear SPI

stoic hamlet Feb 6, 2020, 12:12 AM

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As of Retribution (Fall 2553) Gamma is being re-equipped with MJOLNIR but we’ve seen post war SPI still has advantages they prefer.

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@versed helm

hasty locust Feb 6, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Gen 2 SPI 😮

stoic hamlet Feb 6, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Honestly all you need to do is give the GEN2 Tech-Suit the photoreactive coating, attach the SPI plates and the energy shield, and maybe upgrade the firmware (if it isn’t already) and you’d get basically GEN2 SPI.

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You don’t really need to MJOLNIR-ify it for the Gammas.

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Remember SPI was the test bed for like, all the HUD stuff current MJOLNIR uses, like VISR.

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Honestly if the UNSC can get widespread access to Covenant active-camo capabilities

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Then SPI is permanently obsolete

stoic hamlet Feb 6, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Ehhh, idk

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Covie Av-cam has some notable flaws

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Tactically indefinite active camo + MJOLNIR ought to cover all the bases.

stoic hamlet Feb 6, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Well, not flaws, but trade offs. Like the heat stuff.

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SPI basically is indefinite active camo already. It’s just easier to spot with the naked eye, but still not easy.

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But it’s real value comes from the fact it’s like an IT person at most companies on a good day with regards to electronic sensors.

No one knows it’s there and no one cares about it, and you can never find them unless something goes wrong.

primal vapor Feb 6, 2020, 1:32 AM

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I have a question about MJOLNIR:

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cheif takes fall damage in halo CE

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now this doesn't make sense as he doesn't take any because of his gel layer in h2, h3, h4, but he already had that in h CE. The only canonical reason noble 6 takes fall damage is cuz his suit is part MJOLNIR and part SPI (correct me if im wrong)

tepid lynx Feb 6, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Hmmm never really thought about it

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Good question

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Pretty sure that's pure gameplay

tepid lynx Feb 6, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Most likely

lavish vapor Feb 6, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Since when is Nobles armor part SPI? I don’t remember that.

tepid lynx Feb 6, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Me neither

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 1:44 AM

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@primal vapor Gameplay is an abstraction of the universe.

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There doesn't have to be a canonical reason to explain gameplay oddities, that means.

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And yes, NOBLE's armour is fully-fledged Mark V. Nothing SPI about it.

tepid lynx Feb 6, 2020, 2:07 AM

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It's like why can you flip over a tank, gameplay... though it might be possible for a Spartan II to flip one over.

lavish vapor Feb 6, 2020, 2:21 AM

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If I recall chief had to give a warthog a couple good heaves in Halo: The Flood, so it’d probably take a few Spartans to flip a tank.

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Wonder what else the Covenant have in the area of tanks

simple locust Feb 6, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Was Spark's backstory always intended as it was now back in 2001 or was there any differences?

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Bungie's storytelling technique was always to give you half the story

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It wouldn't surprise me to find that there were many spitballed notions and ideas, some of which might have similarity to the current state of affairs

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But, like most things, it was likely intentionally left in the air until it really needed to be nailed down

simple locust Feb 6, 2020, 3:16 AM

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So were any of the Forunner designs inspired by any of the units in Marathon? I noticed one feature they have that the Covenant often does not is capes, as with the sorta regular Forunners and the floating soldiers, as well as some none floating ones with short robe parts halfway down their leg. One of the Pfhor, the ones with guns that shoot flame projectiles, have capes and rounded helmets. There is one unit in Marathon with a cape that floats as well.

jolly furnace Feb 6, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Some forerunner textures in Halo CE are similar to Marathon ones

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Most marathon references are just its logo used in places

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Yep

low pelican Feb 6, 2020, 2:00 PM

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halo reach took place after halo 2 or halo evolved?

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Neither

low pelican Feb 6, 2020, 2:03 PM

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why though? im so confused tbh

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dr halsey firstly created spartan ii program

pale zephyr Feb 6, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Reach takes place directly before halo 1

low pelican Feb 6, 2020, 2:06 PM

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although there is a new form of spartan after the success of ii

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yeah its hinted in halo 1

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in the fall of reach mission

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 2:08 PM

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Halo CE takes place in 2552. The Spartan IIs were created in 2525

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That’s 25 years of time for a new program to be created

low pelican Feb 6, 2020, 2:10 PM

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oh okay

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i was confused reading wikis

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so in order

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halo reach>halo 1>halo 2>halo 3> halo odst>halo 4>5>infinite

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Not quite

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Odst begins during the events of halo 2, and ends before the events of halo 3

low pelican Feb 6, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Ohhh

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thank you m8

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for clarifying it

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Think the Covenant had any zealot orders or ministry purely dedicated to combating the flood?

carmine sleet Feb 6, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Doubt it

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Rtas has dealt with flood before but not intentionally

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Also not a zealot, figured there may be one out there as "zealots alone" were used long ago to combat flood

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

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I could see zealot artifact retrieval teams being trained to expect potential flood resistance, but I don’t think they were ever sent out specifically to hunt flood

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I imagine the covenant would just glass a flood infestation as opposed to fight them on the ground

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Unless they absolutely had to go to ground

lean karma Feb 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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I recently visited halo 5's campaign and something surprised me.. the second mission "Blue Team" when you fought the hunters in that one area, there were flood forms in little glass tanks that seemed to be dead, you can punch the glass even.. I get its ONI so the fact they have some makes sense but is it just an Easter egg?

carmine sleet Feb 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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It wasn't Flood forms

lean karma Feb 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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what was it then?

carmine sleet Feb 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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The data logs on the mission explains that the scientists on board the Argent Moon were trying to make a bioweapon

lean karma Feb 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Yeah unlocked those to but I dident make the connection between the creatures and the data records

carmine sleet Feb 6, 2020, 3:20 PM

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You're referring to the bodies in the tanks, right? Those were dead Kig-yar test subjects

lean karma Feb 6, 2020, 3:23 PM

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they seemed much smaller than anything kig yar even if it were just a jackel head

carmine sleet Feb 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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There's more than a head in the tanks

lean karma Feb 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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but im not saying your wrong ill have to double check it eventually

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maybe its cause its like younger or mutant because i was just going of size and jackels are deffinitley bigger cool tho thanks!

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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The Covenant exclusively used Zealots to clean up Flood outbreaks throughout their history

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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source?

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because the covenant sent a spec ops team to assist Arbiter and none of them were zealots

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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"In the distant past, Zealots alone had the terrible responsibility of destroying parasite-tainted Forerunner gifts that ran amok after activation."

-Temple Wraith description

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Yeah it says into he distant past

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So I guess they also use spec ops more recently aswell

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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"parasite-tainted forerunner gifts" sounds like logic plagued AI, not flood themselves

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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If it was a Forerunner AI they would have started worshipping it

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Besides any Forerunner AI could probably take over the Covenant

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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unless it was logic plagued

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then they wouldn't worship it

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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They wouldn't know if it was logic plagued

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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the covenant knew what the logic plague was

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it's why they didn't have any super advanced AI of their own

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Yeah, but how do you tell if a Forerunner AI was logic plagued

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I'm not Covenant

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Fair enough

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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but that Temple Wraith description clearly isn't talking about Flood directly

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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My thought is that they open a forerunner facility and have zealots on standby to clear out any possit flood

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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the covenant would never refer to the Flood as a "gift"

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Like in Halo Wars 1 they want to be careful opening a Forerunner building since they think Flood might be in there

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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yes, but as I said earlier, that's a team dedicated to finding Forerunner artifacts

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being prepared to fight flood is not the same thing as being sent out to hunt flood

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Yeah

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I guess from the description then, after a small outbreak would happen then they would send in Zealots

lavish vapor Feb 6, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Idk, parasite tainted gifts sounds to me like a facility in an outbreak.

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Yeah same

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Like there's forerunner tech in there for them to use but they have to clear out the flood infestation first

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 4:52 PM

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yeah but facilities don't really "run amok"

agile dragon Feb 6, 2020, 4:52 PM

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"parasite tainted gifts" is not a combination of words I thought I would ever see used together like that

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 4:54 PM

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2401 Penitent Tangent would probably qualify as a "parasite-tainted gift"

hasty locust Feb 6, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Could be both🤷‍♂️

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Also who would send a tank, fliers, LRV etc to fight an AI, sounds more like flood to me

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 5:26 PM

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An AI can be in command of battle units

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an AI itself could even have a physical avatar, like the Monitors

hasty locust Feb 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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True

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 5:39 PM

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More I read that wraith passage it does sound like massively powerful forerunner machines tainted by plague. Would explain the temple wraith's power

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 5:55 PM

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As for telling logic plague, there would be qualifiers to tell if an ancilla would be tainted

green acorn Feb 6, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Ok i have a theory. Does being in slipspace during the firing of a halo array keep you from dying? In halo 5 the end cutscene shows the infinity in slipspace for more than just a few seconds unlike the rather instantaneous slipspace jump in Halo: Wars

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 6:23 PM

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slipspace jumps are not instantaneous. you have to travel a certain distance in slipspace, depending on where you want to come out

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some jumps may be faster than others, but for instance, the jump from Earth to the Ark takes like days

green acorn Feb 6, 2020, 6:26 PM

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@humble yacht so if slipspace is a dimensional subdomain of the regular universe, everything in slipspace would be safe from a halo firing?

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 6:28 PM

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it's not confirmed whether being in slipspace protects you from the halo effect, but in Halo 3, Chief survives because he just barely manages to go through the slipspace portal before the halo radiation reaches him

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so it could be safe, but we don't know

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Being in slipspace shouldn't save you, considering we don't see any star Roads anymore and tons of them were in slipspace

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When the Halos were fired

green acorn Feb 6, 2020, 6:30 PM

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But slipspace is a seperate subspace of the regular universe, so in theory it should

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But its not confirmed like chimera said

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 6:30 PM

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star roads were recorded as interfering with slipspace travel

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but not necessarily in slipspace

abstract venture Feb 6, 2020, 6:31 PM

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At the end of the Forerunner books they were calculating when to fire the Halos since they weren't sure if it affected things in slispace

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So they tried to optimize the time when the most starroads were in realspace

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But there isn't any more star Roads at all so presumably it affects the ones in slispace aswell

carmine sleet Feb 6, 2020, 6:37 PM

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More likely they got lucky and wiped out enough of them that were in real space that encountering one in Slipspace is extremely rare

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Technically we have simply not seen any star roads in the Orion Arm

quiet umbra Feb 6, 2020, 6:39 PM

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I assumed the halo array destroyed all Precursor creations since they were all organic

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notably star roads

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 6:41 PM

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precursor creations weren't all organic

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they were based on neural physics, and that's what the Halo effect attacks

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star roads were described as being almost alive in how they behaved, but not organic.

quiet umbra Feb 6, 2020, 7:06 PM

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so does Halo not kill animals like bugs

gilded mason Feb 6, 2020, 7:08 PM

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It kills anything with a nervous system.

hasty locust Feb 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Except cockroaches

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Cockroaches survive anything

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 7:15 PM

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they cant survive ur foot tho

carmine sleet Feb 6, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I know you're joking but I wouldn't be surprised if they did survive the array

hasty locust Feb 6, 2020, 7:17 PM

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||I joke||

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 7:17 PM

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||yes||

hasty locust Feb 6, 2020, 7:17 PM

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||Indeed||

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 7:25 PM

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I got a question, why exactly did the Arbiter (Thel' Vadamee), get shamed and tortured in Halo 2? What did he do exactly?

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I never exactly understood why

hasty locust Feb 6, 2020, 7:26 PM

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He was the fleet who followed the autumn to alpha halo

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And we know how taht turned out

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 7:26 PM

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the destruction of Alpha Halo

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Got it

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the prophets and many others blamed him for its destruction

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because he wasnt able to prevent it

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Which is ironic as it was a prophet assigned to the fleet that bungled everything up

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Also as for the halo pulse, anything with a notochord(primitive nervous system) is killed

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Their names are Ironic too, so its not too surprising they're Hypocritical

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Not all of them thougg

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 7:35 PM

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true, but most of them are

bright briar Feb 6, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I always figured that they died in a way that showed their names, like Regret was killed as he was regretting going to Earth too soon ("forgive his premature arrival"), while Mercy was shown no mercy by Truth, but was shown mercy by the Chief in the sense that he stopped the Flood from taking him alive. It also seemed like he was showing mercy to the galaxy with "this time none of you will be left behind". Truth, at the end, seemed to believe that what he had been saying was the truth.

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Other way around, Regret showed no regret, Merxy showed none to Thel, and Truth lied( he chose that the name for that very reason, as a reminder to himself)

bright briar Feb 6, 2020, 7:49 PM

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I just interpreted it as they didn't show any of the traits in their names throughout their lives, but then did as they died.

tepid lynx Feb 6, 2020, 7:50 PM

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I'm gonna need more advil

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Its one way I guess

tepid lynx Feb 6, 2020, 7:59 PM

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am i the only one who thinks that in the cutscen in H2 where mercy calls spark useless truth seemed like he needed a vacation.

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or is it just me

lean karma Feb 6, 2020, 7:59 PM

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yeah I like the names a good villan always believes what their doing is right when it isn't

stoic hamlet Feb 6, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Everyone is the hero of their own story.

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As far as they knew they were keeping their empire alive, saving billions from needless (potential) civil war.

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 8:09 PM

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and killing billions of Humans in the process for no other reason than to keep their control over the empire

tepid lynx Feb 6, 2020, 8:10 PM

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so not saving just.... not saving

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 8:10 PM

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the only thing they were saving was their control over the Covenant

jolly furnace Feb 6, 2020, 8:15 PM

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The humans are relentless. If they are not all destroyed it will be civil war without end.

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Yep SW prequel quotes can be reworked into Halo aswell

tepid lynx Feb 6, 2020, 8:17 PM

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SW?

jolly furnace Feb 6, 2020, 8:18 PM

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star wars

gilded mason Feb 6, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Star Wars

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Anyone ever notice how odd it is that one of the most important areas on high charity, the council chambers and hierarch pvt quarters are near the edge of the dome rather then closer to the center?

humble yacht Feb 6, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Not really

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The hierarchs hold the highest position in all the covenant. It fits that their chambers would be elevated above the rest of the covenant.

tepid lynx Feb 6, 2020, 9:39 PM

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he means from a defensive stand point.... seeing that in battle such placement would leave them more venerable.

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Yea from a defense stand point, would it not have been safer to be near or even within the keyship?

tepid lynx Feb 6, 2020, 9:47 PM

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you read my mind

bright briar Feb 6, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Did the Covies have teleporters, or some form of teleportation grid?

carmine sleet Feb 6, 2020, 10:02 PM

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The Spires seen in Halo Reach, such as on the map Spire, were believed to be a form of teleporter, if I recall correctly

carmine sleet Feb 6, 2020, 10:36 PM

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They're not tapeworms

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Also a hierarch chair can teleport a short ways too

torpid flare Feb 6, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Why did the kig-yar became pirates?

carmine sleet Feb 6, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Because they wanted to acquire wealth and power

still ibex Feb 6, 2020, 11:07 PM

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just like how humans and any other race would become a pirate

torpid flare Feb 6, 2020, 11:11 PM

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the jackals would fall for ponzi schemes or get rich quick schemes

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I guess?

torpid flare Feb 6, 2020, 11:13 PM

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@terse lava so you are an elite? Name every capitalist.

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Lol

torpid flare Feb 6, 2020, 11:15 PM

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@versed helm so you are master chief? name every cook.

versed helm Feb 6, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Binging with Babish is the only one u need

torpid flare Feb 6, 2020, 11:17 PM

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oh, you are right

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Eh I'll pass

torpid flare Feb 6, 2020, 11:29 PM

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@terse lava at least one

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 11:31 PM

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...Henry Ford I guess

torpid flare Feb 6, 2020, 11:33 PM

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good job

terse lava Feb 6, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Anyway, anyone think we will ever get more books set in earlier years of the Covenant?

torpid flare Feb 6, 2020, 11:37 PM

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prehaps.

unreal raven Feb 7, 2020, 12:01 AM

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The Forward Unto Dawn was split in half at the end of Halo 3, but then the ship seems to be fine at the beginning of Halo 4? Is there an explanation?

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:02 AM

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It was still in half.

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Just...redesigned

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Yes, the vessel was still halved but changed for the sake of having a level

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@gilded masoni swear you wait until I start typing then beat me to the punch😆

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:04 AM

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lol

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(Though their reason for changing the design was...silly.)

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Yes

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But at least they gave one

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Rather then try a retcon

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:05 AM

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They said that they felt the original design for frigates was too boxy.

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:05 AM

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...kinda but then always found human vessels dull and boxy

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Better than curved gray edges everywhere, for me

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:06 AM

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looks at original curved, grey truth and reconciliation

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arbiter

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:07 AM

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I mean the kind of stuff you see everywhere in human stuff in Halo 5, ya goof.

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Oh yea

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Btw

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Where would you say the look for ancient human vessels came from? Covenant were organic/aquatic, modern humans typical box, and forerunner had angular looks

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:09 AM

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i dunno

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Forerunners are obsessed with grey/silver

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Yes but it's ancient humans I am curious on

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Forerunners are obsessed with grey/silver
There were some warmer colors on Delta Halo and the Ark, at least

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Those ruins weren't even necessarily Forerunner in origin on Delta Halo, were they?

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Implied I think

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Based on my searching, they seem to be

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Strange.

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:12 AM

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And its Anniversary design uses the same stonework as the Anniversary map Warlord, which is also said to be a shrine for a Forerunner civil war.```

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:12 AM

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I think it was said they didnt originate in delta but were brought there and rebuilt

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Yes

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Oh, I see.

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Oh yea, the Kradal Conflict

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 12:13 AM

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the design is forerunner, but the actual structures seem older

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Ancient Forerunner stuff, I imagine

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 12:13 AM

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so it could be based on ancient "prehistoric" forerunners' architecture

unreal raven Feb 7, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Oh okay. I don't remember any noticable damage in Halo 4's first mission.

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Possibly

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 12:14 AM

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The ship was still in half @unreal raven

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Btw dark, what would you say ancient human's theme was?

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 12:14 AM

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it's just a lot smaller of a model in halo 3 due to limitations

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what do you mean @terse lava?

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Their vessel design

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 12:16 AM

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it was its own thing, really

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kinda a blend of forerunner and covenant if we're talking about visual comparisons

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Modern humans are boxy, covenant organic/aquatic, and forerunners had the angular look going on

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 12:16 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Ancient_humanity

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there's some images there

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Yea seen those, would say a mix as well but idk if the human cruiser would fit per say?

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 12:19 AM

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it's hard to say without having more references to go on

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 12:19 AM

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I think "generic sci-fi" is a good descriptor

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 12:19 AM

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It'd be kinda cool to have a flashback sequence where you actually play as an ancient human or forerunner via geas

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Wouldn't that be of the difficult though due to the sheer firepower and technology

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 12:20 AM

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not if you're matched against enemies of similar balance

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it'd have a heavily different feel for sure though

torpid flare Feb 7, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Reach elite ultras looks like General Grevious for some reason

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 12:21 AM

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thanks.

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can't unsee that now

green acorn Feb 7, 2020, 12:25 AM

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Thanks for that

torpid flare Feb 7, 2020, 12:25 AM

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so in firefight drop pods, general greviouses might ruin your day.

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:25 AM

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Look on the bright side, 2003 grievous kicked butt

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:25 AM

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I love Genndy Grievous

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:26 AM

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" but know that I, General Grrvious am not completely without mercy. I shall grant you a warrior's death....prepare"

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Elite Ultras are way cooler than Grievous

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:27 AM

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@feral perch👍

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Elite Ultras are way cooler than Grievous
Post-Genndy Grievous, yes.

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:28 AM

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5 ultras vs grevious?😋

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 12:30 AM

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his lightsabers would be powerless against their ultimate concussion rifle juggling

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 12:31 AM

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I can imagine this and its glorious

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We ever told what the covenant afterlife would be? Closest I know of was implied living in a forerunner city from Ghosts of Onyx

torpid flare Feb 7, 2020, 1:03 AM

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forerunner is heaven

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 1:05 AM

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That....doesnt make sense

hasty locust Feb 7, 2020, 1:14 AM

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@terse lava regarding the ancient humanity “theme” question from, earlier I always saw them as like the early sea life, we see on EarthLink earth that: https://naturalhistory.si.edu/education/teaching-resources/life-science/early-life-earth-animal-origins, at least these ships: https://www.halopedia.org/Ancient_humanity#/media/File%3AH4-Terminal-Forthencho-Fleet.jpg idk, if I’m just biased cause ancient human stuff looks like ancient critters, idk

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 1:15 AM

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I did that vibe in the sense of the lord of admiral's vessel reminding me of ancient shelled snails

hasty locust Feb 7, 2020, 1:16 AM

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So it could’ve been the thing they were going for

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Perhaps, makes me wonder if pre cursor vessels then would have resembled ancient sea predators or going further back in an odd amoeba-like look

hasty locust Feb 7, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Amoeba would make sense, giving the hole “organic” thing they got going on

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Maybe if it wasn’t for mega NMPD, we would’ve figured it out XD

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 1:27 AM

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I doubt t they would have made a vessel. Admittedly I bet one reason they didn't would be because anyone could make a precursor with various mega block sets

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An ancient human and forerunner set would have been nice too

torpid flare Feb 7, 2020, 1:56 AM

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what other alien factions are friendly towards humanity besides the swords of sangheililios

deep pewter Feb 7, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Most Jackals don’t actively hate humanity, and it seems like aside from the grunts that sided with Jul they’re pretty open to humanity

fair hazel Feb 7, 2020, 5:09 AM

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honestly im personally very interested in other sangheili colonies and their culture

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 5:09 AM

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👆

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 5:33 AM

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👍

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Surely they must have many hundreds of colonies

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Potentially a thousand or two.

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 7:22 AM

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So many hinge heads, so little ammunition

carmine sleet Feb 7, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Looters no!

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Sorry, my Sapien Sunrise streak took hold there for a second

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 7:23 AM

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I have no idea how the mods would deal with me saying something very suggestive here...so pretend I said the obvious thing.

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 7:25 AM

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👍

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👃
👄

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Its actually perfect

inner basin Feb 7, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Why’s the mouth off to the right a little more? I don’t think that’s perfect imo

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Maybe for you...

unique rune Feb 7, 2020, 12:50 PM

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Ignore this channel for a few days and I come back to... whatever this is.

sharp adder Feb 7, 2020, 12:52 PM

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I wonder how hunters and buggers feel about humans?

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 1:07 PM

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Indifferent

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Indifferent
Until you kill a hunter’s partner. Then it’s personal

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 1:13 PM

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True

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 1:32 PM

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How did Thel's entire bloodline not get killed for halo? Was him becoming an arbiter announced to the Covenant at large or did becoming arbiter somehow keep his family alive?

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 1:55 PM

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it looked perfect on mobile, thats as close as i can get it for whatever reason, if i space the mouth more or less than that it will look WAY off, so deal with it beast uny

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Nay, it was heresy!

tepid lynx Feb 7, 2020, 2:15 PM

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am i the only one who thinks that grunts are pretty much just covenant attack dogs.

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 2:16 PM

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I feel bad for them

tepid lynx Feb 7, 2020, 2:16 PM

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they are scared of cats apparently

narrow basin Feb 7, 2020, 2:17 PM

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covenant attack dogs that breed like rabbits

broken solstice Feb 7, 2020, 2:37 PM

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How do the Covenant Remnant and UNSC even have the capability to destroy a Shield World aside from maybe a NOVA bomb? These worlds were designed to fight against the Flood in their prime- which included ancient humanity’s and the Forerunners’ own military might

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Even if you hyperanalyze the “presumed” part and assume it’s not destroyed, how did the rumor even spread that it was after a large military offensive when it wasn’t? Brainwashing?

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 2:39 PM

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We don't know that they do have those capabilities, since we've never seen them do it conventionally

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Also the Covenant might have a Nova bomb equivalent or a way to destroy planets since the Elites originally thought the Brutes blew up Glyke

broken solstice Feb 7, 2020, 2:40 PM

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The fiction-Friday says that the Shield World was presumed to be destroyed after a military campaign against Jul’s faction

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Do you have a source? Or which shield world?

broken solstice Feb 7, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Yes, #halo-news

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Requiem itself

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The most well armed and well defended Forerunner installation in the entire universe aside from Maethrillian

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Oh yeah

broken solstice Feb 7, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Like I was being generous when I said maybe a NOVA

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I really don’t think anything the UNSC or Covenant have would be able to destroy that World

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It was designed to fight against the Forerunners’ own full military capabilities just by virtue of being designed to fight against the Flood

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 2:42 PM

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https://youtu.be/Jid6DeE3EWQ?t=45m55s

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We see it get destroyed in Spartan ops, the covenant activated it's self destruct and it flew into the star or something

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They don't blow it up conventionally

broken solstice Feb 7, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I see, that makes a lot more sense

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 2:43 PM

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It also caused the star to supernova

broken solstice Feb 7, 2020, 2:43 PM

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The Covenant wouldn’t allow the UNSC to get their hands on it

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And the star going supernova would kill basically every witness that doesn’t immediately escape

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And the ones that immediately escape can’t confirm Requiem’s destruction

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In the words of Cortana- “not a very original plan, but we know it’ll work”

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 2:53 PM

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I don’t see how Jul was able to sen Requiem into the sun. Such an important decision should have required a reclaimer’s touch

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Why would it

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It was the didact's world, he could give such authorization to anyone he wanted

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 2:55 PM

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It was the termination protocol for the whole installation

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Yes

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 2:56 PM

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That’s a pretty critical feature

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Yes

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 2:56 PM

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It’s not like opening a door

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Still, it was the didact's world

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Why would it require his enemy's touch?

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Not every single piece of forerunner hardwareb will show humanity favouritism

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 2:58 PM

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We have no information suggesting Didact revoked reclaimer access and designated Jul and/or the covenant as having authority

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 2:58 PM

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You imply the place had it

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 2:58 PM

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It did

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The Chief has to press two Reclaimer pylons to release the Didact

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And when the planet scanned the Dawn in the beginning, it opened after detecting Chief

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(Because reclaimer)

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 3:01 PM

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I should have phrased better, you imply the didact could not revoke it

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It seems clear to me the librarian added those protocols and could be revoked by the didact

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Even if he could, which we don’t know he did or didn’t, I don’t think he would have given access to critical systems to “lesser creatures”

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Why bother with a single enemy vessel when you have others who will?

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 3:04 PM

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It’s one thing to command jul’s forces (which it looks like he delegated to his knights, I don’t think he ever directly interacted with jul or any covenant). It’s another to give those subordinates command of an installation, up to and including the ability to destroy it

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I imagine if Didact had still been around when jul activated the destruct sequence, he would have had a few choice words for that slithery elite

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You don’t give a guard dog keys to your house

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Perhaps, I guess we won't know until 343 says

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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After Jul finally decides to activate the sequence after a bit of hesitation, the camera pans up to show the Didact's symbol on the pad, while playing his theme. So at the time, 343 might've had the story go with the Didact telling Jul to do this.

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I doubt that Didact's symbol appearing at that moment meant he was directly communicating with Jul at that moment, given that SpOps takes place way after Didact had been neutralized for the second time

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Yeah, I'm speculating that he was able to communicate from inside the Domain, or wherever he ended up.

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 5:47 PM

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he would have ended up in the Abyss, like everyone else who was composed

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which seems more like a isolated repository for composed souls, rather than being connected to a larger network like the Domain

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and further recall that when Warden and Cortana met, she asked about the composed, and Warden said that he was keeping them from the Domain's gifts

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Think simply at that tim. He had the didact's authority

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 5:53 PM

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it's especially weird given that SpOps was written before Escalation, so we don't even know if the writers were intending for the Didact to be in a position to communicate like that at the time of SpOps

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 5:53 PM

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That's what I'm sayin'

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343 might've had different plans before they decided to throw out all the Didact stuff

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 5:54 PM

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yeah but when you consider how he was defeated in H4, having his symbol appearing in SpOps being a sign that he was alive and remotely communicating with Jul would be a very unceremonious way of reintroducing him

deep pewter Feb 7, 2020, 5:55 PM

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I always wonder what was actually planned for the Didact

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 5:56 PM

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being a sign that he was alive and remotely communicating with Jul would be a very unceremonious way of reintroducing him
Slowly panning to his symbol while his theme plays ominously feels a bit better than what they actually went with in The Next 72 Hours. 😋

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 5:56 PM

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I personally don't buy that Didact would have given Jul any administrative authority over Requiem. He didn't exactly hold Elites in high regard

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Well, we have Jul actually doing things like throwing the place into a star...so he'd had to have.

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Why Nathan, you mean you don't think that he was supposed to be written out of the story in a comic book??

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Slowly panning to his symbol while his theme plays ominously feels a bit better than what they actually went with in The Next 72 Hours.
His reintroduction in 72 Hrs shows him sitting on a throne, alive and well, nonchalantly plotting his revenge. I think that in of itself was fine

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 5:58 PM

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I just thought it was silly, myself.

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 5:58 PM

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you think a lot of things are silly mang

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Yes.

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Well, we have Jul actually doing things like throwing the place into a star...so he'd had to have.
Or, the designers of Requiem just didn't require administrative control to activate that protocol

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which is a terrible oversight

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Forerunner tech is so wishy-washy

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Another reason I don't think Didact held covenant in high regard: there were none on Mantle's Approach. Once you get inside the ship, you only fight Prometheans. There are some Covie weapons in a room but Didact didn't let any actual Covenant forces onto his ship, even as guards

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Next we'll learn that it was really an ancilla originally programmed by the Librarian and then reprogrammed by the Didact to direct Jul's forces.

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And the ancilla told him to throw Requiem into the nearest star

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Well the Didact trusted Jul enough to give him command of his Promethean knights

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 6:05 PM

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That was only after Didact was no longer around to issue commands himself

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 6:05 PM

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I don't think it would be out of the picture that he was given high enough authority by the Didact to mess around with Requiuems controls

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He must have done it before

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 6:06 PM

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and at the time, it just so happens that Jul's goals aligned with what the didact had been doing

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Since otherwise he couldn't do it after he was composed

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 6:06 PM

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It seems like less Jul commanded them and more worked with them

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 6:06 PM

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He commanded them, iirc it was why he was called the didacts habd

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Uh

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He dubbed himself that

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self appointed title

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a testament to his arrogance

deep pewter Feb 7, 2020, 6:07 PM

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I mean, the Didact does call Juls forces beasts

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 6:07 PM

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lesser beasts

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or something like that

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Not arrogance, manipulation. Remember that he wasn't religious, either, just feigned to be in order to control the devout Hesduros Sangheili.

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Dude

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In Spartan Ops the Prometheans are working for Jul lol

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 6:08 PM

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He labeled himself the Didact's Hand in order to cement his authority.

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Notice that the white hand symbol on Jul's armor is not that of a Forerunner, but rather a Sangheili

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he tagged his armor with his own hand and claimed the Didact anointed him

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Not arrogance, manipulation. Remember that he wasn't religious, either, just feigned to be in order to control the devout Hesduros Sangheili.
maybe. His forces didn't start calling him that until after the Didact was out of the picture. Makes Jul seem more cowardly then, since he waited to dub himself Didact's Hand until after the Didact couldn't denounce him to his own forces

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 6:11 PM

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I suppose the hand thing could also be a case of Sangheili "anthropomorphizing"

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But Jul was a coward. His opportunism is a big part of his character.

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 6:12 PM

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if he had taken that moniker while didact was still around, Didact probably would have backhanded him into a black hole or something

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 6:12 PM

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If he even noticed it in the first place.

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 6:13 PM

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lel

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 6:13 PM

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I mean Jul is a pretty sad character overall.

deep pewter Feb 7, 2020, 6:14 PM

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The end of Thursday War really made me sympathetic to him

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Given that Promthean knights aren't known for their creativity or strategizing, I imagine that without the Didact commanding them, they looked towards the next figure capable of giving orders beyond "go kill that"

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I think it's more likely the Knights allowed Jul to give them orders, rather than he directly controlled them

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they didn't exactly have anything better to do, after all

feral perch Feb 7, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Perhaps not.

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Didnt 343 say the sangheili who announced the didact on the forerunner waking up was Jul?

carmine sleet Feb 7, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Yes

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Wl since that whole area was pretty much smashed to pieces, couldnt it be seen as the didact saving Jul on seeing the sangheili hates humanity too?

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Also in escalation when Sali Nyom was rebelling the Prometheans started killing his forces

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So imo Jul had practically full command of them until Cortana stole it in H5

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Was it really control, or were the prometheans just kind of allowing jul to command them? I think the latter

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@terse lava what are you talking about?

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:28 PM

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What does allowing him to command them mean?

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Like in practice it's the same thing

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Control means that the prometheans do what he wants even if they don’t want to

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I don't think Prometheans have their own free will

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:29 PM

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If they allow him to order them around, they could say no at any time

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:29 PM

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They'll just follow whoever's been put incharge at the moment

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:29 PM

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They certainly have limited autonomy but Jul is not the kind of creature that could command them

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:29 PM

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So originally in H4 it was the Librarian, then the Didact

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But the Didact gave Jul some authority over the Prometheans and after he was composed I guess Jul was the next highest ranking commander

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Until Cortana came around

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:30 PM

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We don’t know he did that

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Yeah that's what I think happened

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Not saying it's canon

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Vanilla halo 4 suggests the opposite really, since the knights were ordering the covenant around

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I mean so is Jul

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Im thinking the command structure was Didact > Jul > Prometheans > Other Covenant

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Yes but that makes sense, jul is one of them

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And he’s a lying manipulator

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Of course other covenant would listen to him

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Since Didact would probably want Jul higher up in command so they can direct their forces better together

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I don’t think Didact valued jul like that

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He gave no indication of accepting jul as his right hand

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Well he had command of the Prometheans after Didact left so apparently he did 🤷🏾‍♂️

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:33 PM

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And I see no reason why he’d look at Jul as anything more than a lesser beast like all the rest of the covies

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The knights after Didact left were probably just in state of willingness to accept orders from any non human source

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:34 PM

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But they followed Jul specifically though

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Jul was using Knights to kill Sali Nyons followers for examples

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:34 PM

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You say follow, I say worked in tandem

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 7:34 PM

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The knights after Didact left were probably just in state of willingness to accept orders from any non human source
That sounds more far fetched to me

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:34 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:34 PM

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The Knights have no stake in that fight

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Sure they do

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Has nothing to do with humans, yet they were working for Juls side

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Jul could be like “hey look, we gonna go after the humans, but first this other Elite is kind of cramping my style, so let’s get rid of him first so we can focus on sticking it to humanity later

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Praise didact”

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:37 PM

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In February 2558, 'Mdama continued to lead the Covenant forces on Requiem, and due to his earlier alliance with the Ur-Didact, maintained some control of the Promethean Knights on the shield world. With his forces engaged in multiple conflicts, 'Mdama leaked his plans for Requiem to human intelligence services, planning to draw the UNSC into a war of attrition. Not only would this allow him to cement his control of the Covenant but also sacrifice those forces he did not feel were entirely loyal. ONI took the bait, with the UNSC Infinity arriving in February 2558

That's from Halopedia which cites Halo Mythos pg 178

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I don't have mythos so I can't fact check it

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:37 PM

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I already read the wiki

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:38 PM

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If it's accurate then that should confirm that Jul particularly was in command of them

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:38 PM

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The citation is for the next line, not the alliance with the Didact

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The alliance part was the contributor’s assumption

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Maybe it's for all of it

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But if you checked the source then sure

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:39 PM

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I don’t have mythos but I know the rules of citation.

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 7:39 PM

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No. The allaince thing is in Mythos

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:40 PM

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You got the page?

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Yup

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Screen cap?

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 7:43 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/366450987608702988/675426217704292397/image0.jpg

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Welp

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It’s gross but ok

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 7:43 PM

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lol

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I don't see it as gross

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Jul and Didact must have had an extended meeting at some point and he laid his cards on the table

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:44 PM

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He’ll always be a lesser beast to me

abstract venture Feb 7, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Yeah

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I guess off camera they talked

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 7:44 PM

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He’ll always be a lesser beast to me```
Wut

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Yep

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He still needed a Reclaimer to get the Janus Key, so he couldn’t have had that much administrative authority over Requiem’s systems

fair hazel Feb 7, 2020, 7:50 PM

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I honestly liked jul achieving control over the promehthwans

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:50 PM

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If you call what most likely was groveling an achievement

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Someone is looking for a hacker in clan chat

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 7:51 PM

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He still needed a Reclaimer to get the Janus Key, so he couldn’t have had that much administrative authority over Requiem’s systems
Though that was also a Librarian thing, so the Didact might not have had control over that part.

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:51 PM

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He was able to deal with other Librarian leftovers

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 7:51 PM

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If you call what most likely was groveling an achievement
And man, you really hate Jul, huh?

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:52 PM

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He was a bad guy

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 7:52 PM

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@humble yacht 343 claimed it was Jul who said "Didact" when the forerunner woke up. We saw what happened after with the area destabilizing and yet Jul survived. Thus I was curious if perhaps the didact saved Jul

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Oh you mean during the Forerunner cutscene

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I thought you meant during the Requiem cutscene

fair hazel Feb 7, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Well it was the librarian in particular who had the Janus key

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:53 PM

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A remnant of her

fair hazel Feb 7, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Still went to the absolute record along with other pieces of her if I recall

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Another remnant was responsible for unlocking Chief’s latent abilities, and Didact purged that one

fair hazel Feb 7, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Uh

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Purged that one?

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 7:57 PM

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We see knights appearing in the realm of that remnant, so she hurries up and unlocks chief’s genesong before the Didact can get her “contact essence”

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And we know there is more than one remnant since Spark encounters another in Renegades

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So there’s nothing to suggest that the remnant Halsey sees is the same one that John saw

fair hazel Feb 7, 2020, 7:59 PM

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There was no indication of a « purge »

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First time I get someone thinking that too

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And get her contact essence? That bit... from where?

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Well, the Didact was able to interfere with that remnant

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“Contact essence” is what Didact calls it when he infiltrates that vision

fair hazel Feb 7, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Halsey and John both spoke with the librarian in the same location.

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She says relinquish your contact essence.

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As in. Stop contacting him

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Essence, relinquish your contact

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Transcript says Didact said it

fair hazel Feb 7, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Yeah, like. Stop talking with him.

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Maybe, that’s certainly one way of interpreting it

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I can hear a slight pause after “contact”. Wiki should be updated with a comma

fair hazel Feb 7, 2020, 8:05 PM

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You know it’s the same locale where Halsey and John contactes librarian?

humble yacht Feb 7, 2020, 8:06 PM

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No, that isn’t obvious to me

fair hazel Feb 7, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Look around In campaign and in spartan ops. Same location.

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Although John took different route while in there

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Honestly it’s funny how close crimson was to jul several times

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And when they went in, they took different path to different location

half apex Feb 7, 2020, 8:37 PM

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wait

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i think your confusing cortana with halsey

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as far as i remember in halo 4, it was cortana who says she was filled in on what the didact was planning by the librarian

bright briar Feb 7, 2020, 8:44 PM

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In Spartan Ops, Halsey also spoke with the Librarian AI after Jul took her.

jolly furnace Feb 7, 2020, 8:57 PM

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What u all talkin bout?

bright briar Feb 7, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Requiem/Forerunner stuff.

half apex Feb 7, 2020, 9:14 PM

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i thought u were talking about the halo 4 campaign

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not spartan ops

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nvm lol

hasty locust Feb 7, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I’ve never played the entirety of spartan OPs

half apex Feb 7, 2020, 9:16 PM

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i never even knew spartan ops had a campaign

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misterchief

hasty locust Feb 7, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Me either

half apex Feb 7, 2020, 9:16 PM

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just watched the cutscenes

hasty locust Feb 7, 2020, 9:17 PM

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There are cutscenes?

half apex Feb 7, 2020, 9:17 PM

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._.

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yeah

hasty locust Feb 7, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Well

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Little late lmfao

torpid flare Feb 7, 2020, 10:07 PM

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what covenant species is close to humans in their culture?

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Different cultures even within the same species can be fairly different, so there's probably examples of cultures across different alien areas that sort of match a certain culture that a section of humanity might have.

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Yep, no single one can be pointed too a d said, "these guys are exactly like us, but aliens"

stoic hamlet Feb 7, 2020, 10:11 PM

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I mean look at humans. We’re all very diverse

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Exactly

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Indeed

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Funny to think we in a way still n.v dont have much on Covenant culture though

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Time for a ~Cultural Guidebook~

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Maybe we would finally have the full writ too

gilded mason Feb 7, 2020, 10:38 PM

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That'd be neat

torpid flare Feb 7, 2020, 10:39 PM

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ok, let's start

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ok elites time for your writ

versed helm Feb 7, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Here you go Spartan

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I assure you that this is holy

torpid flare Feb 7, 2020, 10:52 PM

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thanks marine

terse lava Feb 7, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Hm?

glossy vapor Feb 7, 2020, 11:59 PM

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The holy hand grenade

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 12:06 AM

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The very weapon ancient covenant used when invading a world populated by the killer rabbits

tired void Feb 8, 2020, 12:27 AM

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ok

bright briar Feb 8, 2020, 12:34 AM

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If the Covenant don't use English numbers, then how can they count to 3, no more no less, with 5 being way out?

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To throw the holy hand grenade.

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 12:41 AM

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We have our ways

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hides the Frenchmen

bright briar Feb 8, 2020, 12:43 AM

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You silly Sangheili zzzzzzealot.

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Heh

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Having trouble remembering, how did the librarian make higher tier technology for the most part, human only?

stoic hamlet Feb 8, 2020, 1:34 AM

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G E A S

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~~Neural Physics~~

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 1:34 AM

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nods approvingly

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 1:47 AM

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sighs

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Don't feed Ostrals wants

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 1:47 AM

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wude

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 1:48 AM

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ily dw

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Feed it all

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Speaking of, how do you think sangheili cuisine is?

still ibex Feb 8, 2020, 2:17 AM

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I’d imagine it to have a lot of fish

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Why

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Past Sangheili were heavily seafaring.

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Yes but modern days? Obviously those on the coast would continue that but others?

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 2:20 AM

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True

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Fun question, if you led your favorite faction:humans, the Covenant, forerunner, etc, what would you do

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 3:12 AM

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first, try to sabotage your enemies.

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then, ally with a specific part of the enemy.

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finally, attack the enemy all in once.

night dew Feb 8, 2020, 3:31 AM

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That is a basic strat but still effective

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personally I would send small companies of infantry to keep the enemy occupied while biding my time to increase surface control and build up a vehicular advantage. With enough vehicles done I would quickly storm an enemy forward operations base to show that I am serious and show what my army has. When they think they know what I have, I will start working on aircraft that I will keep in the back of my hand until the enemy attacks my force. When they attack my force I send in the aircraft and obliterate them, from there taking the main base is as easy as taking candy from a baby.

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 3:52 AM

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What are you 2 talking on?

stoic hamlet Feb 8, 2020, 4:24 AM

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You’re both thinking too small scale.

Logistics wins wars.

As the UNSC/Humanity I’d have capture of enemy intelligence be a top priority. Silent Storm and Oblivion showcase this occurring, as does Fall of Reach and Ghosts of Onyx.

Have small elite teams isolate enemy vessels and board them, secure the ship if possible but if not focus on grabbing enemy locations, supply lines, and how they defend them.

Hit their supply lines constantly if known about. If possible, attack their world’s as well, don’t invade, destroy. Nuke cities, destroy orbital stations, etc.

The Navy will take the brunt of the damage, millions of men and women will lose their lives, but highlight every victory, even if small, show the public, and the enemy that they may destroy a Wolf Pack, but they can’t stop the Prowler slipping in behind them.

The enemy may own the heavens, but humanity’s spirit will be forged in the hellfire they create.

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Man, and I'm pretty sure Ado was just talking statecraft, not wargames. Y'all are bloodthirsty. 😋

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 4:26 AM

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I...I was expecting something something else, yes

stoic hamlet Feb 8, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Oh

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 4:27 AM

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I fully expected a " I would lead the forerunners and not devolve humanity" etc

stoic hamlet Feb 8, 2020, 4:27 AM

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That question is rather vague, tbh

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So I just assumed warfare.

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As the UEG......idk. Depends where we are in the timeline.

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Well we always talk warfare, something different is nice

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Eh we will go 2525

stoic hamlet Feb 8, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Probably continue to try peace talks with the Innies in the early 2500’s. Make them appear always as the aggressor if hostilities occur. No one wins in a war.

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Point out what good things hey have and try and solidly understand their issues (because we as a fandom sure don’t)

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Not much that's true but they are kind of a mcguffin, a reason for chief and the others to exist

stoic hamlet Feb 8, 2020, 4:35 AM

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It seems like their issues are not enough representation on Earth and that they feel the UNSC are encroaching on their soil?

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Yea pretty cliche

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Though it'd be cliche for a reason

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Mhm

half apex Feb 8, 2020, 5:01 PM

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i'd lead humans

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by just using spartans

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jk

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 6:56 PM

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An odd question perhaps but wondering. Let's say the Covensnt never formed, and the san shyuum met humanity as a first contact for each other. With the lack of religious differences to cause a war, how do you all see the outcome as?

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 7:04 PM

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they would be allies

carmine sleet Feb 8, 2020, 7:05 PM

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I feel like some dead Forerunner would start rolling in their grave if that happened

hasty locust Feb 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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So does that men’s the prophets didn’t find any forerunner relics? Also would most of them be grav chair boios?

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 8:20 PM

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They would still find forerunner relics, just not any sangheili worlds

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As for the 2nd..likely due to the inbreeding

devout wharf Feb 8, 2020, 9:01 PM

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i attempted to complete halo 2 using only ghost and laser sword as much as possible

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i am slowly deteriorating

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send help

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in the for of scorpions

hasty locust Feb 8, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Well if most of them are crippled, I wouldn’t see humans trying to enslave the size, so that’s not an option

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 9:40 PM

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They would also still have the keyship

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Although idk about high charity

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 10:03 PM

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high charity is infected

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 10:03 PM

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Why do you say that?

stoic hamlet Feb 8, 2020, 10:04 PM

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They wouldn’t have high charity.

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It was built by the Covenant

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Thought so but wasnt 100% sure

stoic hamlet Feb 8, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Not the prophets themselves

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Excellent so just the keyship

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So how do you think it would go Eternal?

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 10:05 PM

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When would the contact occur?

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 10:06 PM

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2525, same as the covenant, though in this case a san shyuum missionary vessel happens apon Harvest

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Ah. I don't see much fighting happen. At first. I guess it'd depend on how dogmatic the San'Shyuum would be without the rest of the Covenant species behind them.

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Otherwise it might be a sorta-peaceful alliance

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Though I would wonder how much humanity would be integrated into San'Shyuum society. Totally, or free flowing?

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And if humanity knows of their might, would they want to risk displeasing them?

stoic hamlet Feb 8, 2020, 10:10 PM

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I can’t say how it would go. Way to many variables to even really hypothesize.

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 10:11 PM

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I would think it would indeed be peaceful for a time. No one is holding forerunner relics sacred and I do t think thr reclaimer bit would be as damaging here as with the covenant.

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 10:44 PM

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I would like a halo species tier list.

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Forerunners would be S tier

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Sangheili gets the SS tier, because they are cool

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Hesduros Sangheili get the D tier

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:04 PM

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I agree

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:04 PM

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They are a poor design choice

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Yes

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:04 PM

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the classic is amazing, because they have cool black undersuits

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:05 PM

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And look beautiful

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:05 PM

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and kinda cute

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Really could tolerate the bulky body, could be argued gravity was stronger on the planet, but the head? Got nothing for that

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Just look at their design in H2A 🤤

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Eh...h2A was nice but still odd

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Not as good as the originals

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Halo 1 and 2, only sangheili to be consistent 😋

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:07 PM

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The only thing for me in gameplay the Right side of their mouth looks like its melting, I hope that gets fixed when H2 Anniversary comes around

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Well also their feet, oddly small compared to other variations out there. Even the arbiter and heretics have the classic hoof feet whereveveryobe else does not. Plus the armor looks bulkier, as if it forces a sangheili to crouch

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Yeah.

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:09 PM

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But why have Large feet when you can have small feet 👀

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Never said large, just proper proportions

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Yeah.

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:09 PM

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||jokes||

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Yeah.

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Ye.

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:10 PM

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@gilded mason where did you get your profile picture

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Wort

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:10 PM

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@torpid flare
I drew it.

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:10 PM

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He drew it himself I think

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Never mind lol

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Thought so, looks pretty good

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Guessing it's your guy? @gilded mason

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Ye. Orta 'Rakom.

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Nice

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Wonder how humanity would have done had they ended up leading the covenant

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:13 PM

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How...blasphemous

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:14 PM

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wait that's illegal

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:14 PM

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After the other one where the covenant didnt even form?

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Ok how about this then, the halos wipe out anything that involves thought. With what we know, would a forerunner who died moments before the array fired be trapped in their personal armor?

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:19 PM

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We all have our own Sangheili boys 👀

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:21 PM

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tell me the location of the sangheili in real life

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Perseus arm of the Milky way galaxy

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They fled therr

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And r now expanding like rabbits

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:22 PM

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oh no

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the sangheili tried to kill me

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:23 PM

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and they will try again boi

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:23 PM

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oh crap

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i need to build a recuse helicopter to end them

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Yes

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:24 PM

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oh no

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sangheili is close to me

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:26 PM

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....by the rings this is too much

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:26 PM

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i should read this

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objects are closer than they appear

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:26 PM

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They are hiding in ur House

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Waiting 2 strike

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:27 PM

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oh no

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i am in my house

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crap

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Watch out 4 the shadows boi

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For the Sangheili hide there

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:27 PM

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i need t-34

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Please....stop

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:27 PM

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but i need 1 more

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:28 PM

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The Sangheili cant be stopped boi

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:28 PM

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can i snap their necks

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Only if you catch them off guard boi

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But they have buff necks

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:29 PM

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ok i need luger

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Wont be easy

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:29 PM

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should i escape

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Yes

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:30 PM

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i killed 2 elites already

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i got their heads

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:30 PM

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More will come

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They wont be happy

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:30 PM

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i shall run at the speed of light

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:30 PM

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U must Take their ship

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And travel to the perseus arm

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:31 PM

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i need my rescue helicopter from lego

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:31 PM

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And eat all of the Sangheili eggs

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:31 PM

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i have the shadow of intent

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i allied with the brutes

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and other humans

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Travel to the perseus arm and destroy the cube

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:32 PM

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i am a brute

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and have gravity hammer

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Crush the Cube

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:33 PM

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crushes cube

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and what is the cube

carmine sleet Feb 8, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Are you RPing right now?

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:34 PM

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prehaps

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Nah

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He is literally travelling to the perseus arm to kill an entire race of walking split lipped squids

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Gosh

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:39 PM

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i am finished

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Good

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:40 PM

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but with a sangheili friend

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Now eat the eggs

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:40 PM

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i cooked them

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expect for 4000 eggs

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:41 PM

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You shouldve left them in the freezer

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:42 PM

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oh yeah i forgot about that

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i made a sangheili friend

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his name is rtas'vadumb

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:43 PM

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This is just wierd

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:44 PM

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i thought you are dead

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Which brute design is your Boys's favorite?

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:47 PM

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the halo reach or halo 2a

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Hm

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The dead ones, though in seriousness, halo 3

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:48 PM

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The facial structure could've used reworking, but I liked the Brutes having those tattoos/brands in Reach.

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:48 PM

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The tattoos were a nice touch

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I kinda like in halo 3, when their armor gets blown off, they have actual damage in their bodies

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Although halo 2 I liked in that they felt like a threat

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Although they were dull in the sense if being a bullet sponge

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Not unless you aimed for the head

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Well yea

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:53 PM

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They went Down Real easy

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:53 PM

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That goes for every single being, unlessnyour flood or lekgolo

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:53 PM

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And Knights unless they show their ugly face

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But I aim for the head with just about anyone

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I rarely aim for the body unless im using an auto weapon

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But brutes went Down really quickly as long as you aim for the head and not for the body, same can be said about most enemies.

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It takes longer to kill most if you aim for the body, well... Except some prometheans flood and hunters I guess

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Yep

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Flood you can headshot as well in H2/H3, outside of pureforms

torpid flare Feb 8, 2020, 11:57 PM

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i recommend shooting at the flood tentacles thing

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:58 PM

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Shooting flood combat forms in the head doesnt really do much from What I remember

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:58 PM

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The other head

terse lava Feb 8, 2020, 11:58 PM

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Well met the host head

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:58 PM

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The head of the infection form in their chest

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:58 PM

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Ah i thought you were talking about the original head

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:58 PM

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Nope

versed helm Feb 8, 2020, 11:59 PM

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But that head is technically in the body, but I guess it does feel like it does more damage

gilded mason Feb 8, 2020, 11:59 PM

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It's a one hit kill if you use a precision weapon

terse lava Feb 9, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Mhm

versed helm Feb 9, 2020, 12:00 AM

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I dont use precision weapons against flood all that often so no wonder I didnt know dis 👀

gilded mason Feb 9, 2020, 12:01 AM

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It made fighting them a whole lot quicker

terse lava Feb 9, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Fun fact, sniper does nothing to the flood in halo 1

versed helm Feb 9, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Yeah but I just like fighting flood head on

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Even in legendary H3 at times

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And yeah, sniper does nothing to them in CE

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 12:07 AM

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finally, no more sangheili.

terse lava Feb 9, 2020, 12:07 AM

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distant wort

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 12:07 AM

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oh no

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my firend escaped

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@terse lava stop creeping me

terse lava Feb 9, 2020, 12:20 AM

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.......huh?

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 12:21 AM

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that wort sound

terse lava Feb 9, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Oh

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 12:22 AM

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i thought you are gone

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and my friend as well

terse lava Feb 9, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Ok?

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Hehe mini chief

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 12:23 AM

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hello

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i had problems with elites

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 12:24 AM

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I could see why

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Your stubby body couldn't hold the gun

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 12:24 AM

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i used to be surrounded

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but i smashed the cube

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 12:25 AM

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That’s profile picture.... is amazing

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 12:25 AM

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Yeah I know

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 12:25 AM

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i didn't made this

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 12:26 AM

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But still

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You are the mini chief

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All hail the mini chief

terse lava Feb 9, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Heresy

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 12:26 AM

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mini chief is god

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ado is gone

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Did I hear H E R E S Y?

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 12:27 AM

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he is bad elite

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Mhm

terse lava Feb 9, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Wrong

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 12:29 AM

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i nearly caused the extinction of the sangheili

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Hahah

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Imagine

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This little chief causing havoc and chaos to the sangheili

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That would be quite scary

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 12:40 AM

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little chief arrested on sangheililios for nearly commiting extinction events.

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oni celebrated mini chief

limpid kernel Feb 9, 2020, 12:59 AM

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what a cute little troublemaker

versed helm Feb 9, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I can just imagine a Covie bible lol

versed helm Feb 9, 2020, 2:05 AM

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👀

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:06 AM

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what does a moa taste like

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just curious

versed helm Feb 9, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Probably like Emu or Ostrich

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Or just a Big turkey

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Covenant bible XD

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I wonder if elites go to church every Sunday

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Imagine that though, like in 2652 or something, if elites and humans live together in peace, having Christian sangheli

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:21 AM

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or even communist sangheili, just kidding.

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 2:22 AM

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No, I like your innovation

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:23 AM

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or even even even fascist sangheili

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Isn’t that... just the covenant

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:24 AM

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yeah

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you're right

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sorry

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Oni celebrated mini chief haha, my man

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Sanghelli Christmas

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Bruh

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OH wait

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You saying that reminds me of something

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In one of the Halo games one of the Sangheli voice lines goes something like "Is this my Christmas present?" when you give him a gun

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Pretty nice if you ask me

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Cool easter egg

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Yeah I think it’s an IWHBYD line

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:34 AM

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"Didn't I give you this for Christmas"

versed helm Feb 9, 2020, 2:35 AM

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By 2652 a Sangheili will be the Pope

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:36 AM

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by 2654 a human will become the Arbiter

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Is it a IWHBYD line?

versed helm Feb 9, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Nah too weak

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I don't think so

versed helm Feb 9, 2020, 2:37 AM

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In H3 Sangheili love chief a little too much

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Wrong, it is a real IWHBYD line.

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Oh

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:39 AM

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"If you gaze at me much longer, we might as well exchange fluids"

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Yeah, I went through the list not long ago, there’s some pretty ridiculous ones

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YOU KILLED FLIPYAP or was he yapflip?

versed helm Feb 9, 2020, 2:40 AM

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"im trying new contacts, now stop dripping"

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:41 AM

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"Did you kill him for sport or ammunition"

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"You shot me fool"

versed helm Feb 9, 2020, 2:41 AM

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"im not going to kiss you in Front of everyone!"

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:42 AM

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"He was my lover" -A random brute

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 2:42 AM

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“Are you undressing me in you head”

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:42 AM

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"One word for you, Haboodigahaboodiguhguh"

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 2:43 AM

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haha

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 2:44 AM

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"I will name my next child after you!"

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 2:44 AM

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There's this one part in the Halo 3 campaign where a bunch of brutes are in a circle and it appears to be the chieftain that tells the other brutes to "Go get/make me a sandwich

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 2:45 AM

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I wonder how many elites are named “John” now

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:45 AM

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"Is this because of Reach"

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"This stupidity hurts our cause"

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Too soon

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Poor reach 😢

torpid flare Feb 9, 2020, 2:46 AM

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"I will pop a can of whoop"

hasty locust Feb 9, 2020, 2:47 AM

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“You disgusting foot lice”

thin patrol Feb 9, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Hah really?

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I will pop a can of whoop

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haha