#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 299

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Hm?

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 4:18 AM

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No

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It’s not

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Also wrong chat

quiet umbra Feb 2, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Okay because I just got it during my legendary run and wasn’t sure

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Yeah whoops

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 4:18 AM

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No worries

jolly saddle Feb 2, 2020, 4:18 AM

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KILL THE HERETIC!

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 4:19 AM

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👀

quiet umbra Feb 2, 2020, 4:19 AM

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I am not a fan of that last landing pad fight on legendary

jolly saddle Feb 2, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Heresy!

torpid flare Feb 2, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Who would betray first, the Elites or the Humans?

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 4:33 AM

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What's the context here?

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Humans

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:36 AM

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I think he means which one would betray the other first. Going with humans

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Of course you'd say that.

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It really depends on who's in charge.

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 4:56 AM

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And, like, there's gonna be a bunch of different humans and elites with different opinons on things

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 4:57 AM

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I mean, if we're just talking about the postwar era

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We know what happened

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Elements of both species - Parangosky and Jul - immediately turned on the other

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While Hood and Thel threw their weight into the alliance

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The malicious human elements were a bit quicker on their feet, but that's because they're ONI.

livid widget Feb 2, 2020, 5:26 AM

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I mean that depends, my vote goes on the elites betraying humans first. When it comes to the amount of elites that are actually okay with humans like thel's forces is the amount that dont like humans larger or smaller than them?

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 5:41 AM

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I wish they would elaborate more on the reptilian aspects of Sangheili physiology. Playing out a story with challenges such as them having strong antibodies, scar tissue regeneration, or even controlling their circulatory system and preventing blood loss in wounds would be more exciting over just being big, strong humans

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Would be interesting

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@versed helmkinda proves the point that ONI will always betray

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 5:52 AM

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They were already trying their best to mess up SOS forces before the whole created thing

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Destroying SOS ships, starting a civil war etc

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Pretty much

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 5:59 AM

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In ONI's defense they were probably very paranoical about the thought of the SOS turning on them for What ever reason, so they made sure they would no longer be a threat

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Though through a risk vs reward theory, doing anything would be riskier than not doing anything, considering the power disparity and scale of former Covenant space.

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And it turns out that it actually did screw things up.

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Yea, ONI dropped the ball heavily here

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Indeed

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:03 AM

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"Oh hey, let's poke the proverbial bear"

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Every time I think if that plan to "wipe out sangheilios with poisoned grain' good grief they are beyond dumb

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Well it came back to bite them in the end rear

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Yep

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Btw what is your favorite squid head design boys?

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Mine is either H2A or classic H2

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:08 AM

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The whole thing feels like a saturdsy morning villian plot

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Oh, hm

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 6:09 AM

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CE followed by H2 and H2A

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:09 AM

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For just the head? @gilded mason

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:09 AM

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😏

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Oh whoops

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H2A, though I could do with a tweak or two

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Going by the head alone...thinking halo 3 maybe

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 6:10 AM

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H2A seems like it'd be best at emoting

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:10 AM

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The Right side of their mouth is weird in H2A though

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Though was never fond of the transparent eyelids on them

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:10 AM

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It looks like its melting

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Would chalk that up to a graphics glitch

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 6:10 AM

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The Right side of their mouth is weird in H2A though```
That's just a modeling error.

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:11 AM

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I hope they fix it

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But they prob wont

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Sadly

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Doubt it

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Unless somebody asks them about it before H2A comes out on PC

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Lets cross our fingers with H2A coming to MCC soon

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Yea

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:13 AM

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~~we must report This error in the H2A flight~~

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 6:13 AM

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I definitely will

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Same here

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 6:14 AM

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(Hopefully I get in, though...)

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Same

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Have faith

gilded mason Feb 2, 2020, 6:14 AM

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I'm sure at least one of us will.

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Just like Dutch said "HAVE SOME @%/+*$ FAITH!!!"

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😏

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Whoops

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:16 AM

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I feel your pain

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:17 AM

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"Pretty sure it doesn't say that Dutch"

"I'm paraphrasing you dang heathen"

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Rdr2 had a great story

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Uh..ok?

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:18 AM

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I was talking about Dutch Van Der Line BOAH

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Ah

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Not ODST Dutch

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Fair mistake

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Its all gucci

quiet umbra Feb 2, 2020, 7:11 AM

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I got a plan Rookie

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 7:21 AM

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“You always have a plan Dutch”

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Or more accurately

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“.........”

lusty summit Feb 2, 2020, 1:16 PM

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So what effect does Spartans celebrating black history month have on the enemies of mankind

leaden sonnet Feb 2, 2020, 1:17 PM

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rather a strange question for you to ask

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Better question: donyou think Thel 'Lodamee was greatly rewarded for killing Sheila and besting chief in combat?

stoic hamlet Feb 2, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Arguably he only beat John because John pulled a dumb, but probably

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Well doubt john has sword fought that often

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 4:25 PM

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^

livid widget Feb 2, 2020, 4:26 PM

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aren't they about even in terms of strength anyway?

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Certainly appeared that way

stoic hamlet Feb 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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That’s what I mean though

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John was really dumb for trying to sword fight him, lol

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Dont forget the "melt all by my bullets by sending them into a plasma sword"

stoic hamlet Feb 2, 2020, 4:37 PM

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“John we’re pressed for time! We need to leave!”

“I understand Doctor, I’ll engage this elite by....”

A: using my enhanced strength to pummel him into paste.

B: using my enhanced speed to move faster than he can comprehend.

C: reload my weapon and continue to fire, aiming for areas his sword doesn’t cover.

D: use my knife and both A and B to dispatch him in hand to hand with a flurry of fast strikes and strong movements.

E: have an awesome E P I C sword fight even though I’m not a duelist and a sword isn’t my weapon of preference.

John has chosen......option E.

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I can’t alphabet

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Heh heh

stoic hamlet Feb 2, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Wow

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Nah, john typed it for you

stoic hamlet Feb 2, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Lol

carmine sleet Feb 2, 2020, 4:39 PM

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The Covenant have multiple Cs in their alphabet because they love the letter C so much (I jest, I jest)

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Today's letter is the letter C. Covenant, contemptabe, consecrated, cleric

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Welcome to covenant kindergarten, what does G-R-E-A-T J-O-U-R-N-E-Y spell class?

carmine sleet Feb 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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A lie

torpid flare Feb 2, 2020, 4:45 PM

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An excuse for killing humans

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:45 PM

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I can only picture a little jiralhanae cub picking a fight with a sangheili childing

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Lol

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:47 PM

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San shyuum teacher: Now behave you two or no Great Journey for either of you

carmine sleet Feb 2, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Is there a Grunt with crayons anywhere?

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Yes he and his egg mates are laughing nearby

carmine sleet Feb 2, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I completely forgot that Grunts breed extremely quickly

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Yea, little Gibgab was an only child yesterday. Today he came in with 10 brothers

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Should be a cartoon mini series

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Non canon of course, but I think I’d be hilarious

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Already happened...sort of

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Baby halo webcomics

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Chief and marines with nerf guns, sangheili with water guns. And little grunts wearing diapers

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Seriously ?

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Yea

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Was popular pre halo 3

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Dang

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 5:02 PM

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What?

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I never knew about them

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Oh

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I think the flood were involved too but not for sure

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 5:19 PM

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There’s 127 of them from 2003-2007

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Holy

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Ah the memories

unique hornet Feb 2, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Question for you lore nerds

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and afaik there's no canon answer for this one so hit me up with all the theories you got

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GSgt Stacker—he survived Installation 04, along with PFC Chips Dubbo (https://www.halopedia.org/Chips_Dubbo). He didn't appear in First Strike and there's no answers surrounding how any other members of the Pillar of Autumn made it off the ring besides Chief and Johnson

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what're some plausible ways out of that circumstance? Obviously some folks made it into pelicans and other ships, hiding in the debris fields when Covenant reinforcements arrived post-Halo's destruction, but they had no Slipspace drives and obviously Chief/Cortana didn't pick them up

versed helm Feb 2, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Generally speaking

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I just treat all the marines as like, sample personalities and not actual people

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Unless explicitly stated, like Stacker in Halo 4. But in my eyes that means Stacker was only canonically in Halo 4.

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Sorry for the boring answer, I'm sure somebody will come along with something more zany soon.

split spindle Feb 2, 2020, 7:24 PM

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They hijacked a covenant ship

carmine sleet Feb 2, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Problem with them potentially hijacking a Covenant ship is that they have no idea how to pilot a Covenant ship which would have a slipspace drive

unique hornet Feb 2, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Exactly. Also it’s a might bit derivative

carmine sleet Feb 2, 2020, 7:25 PM

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I'd say if anything, they would've had to have been picked up by an ONI Prowler that arrived at 04 after it was destroyed

split spindle Feb 2, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Yet keys was able to pilot a drop ship pretty accurately

carmine sleet Feb 2, 2020, 7:25 PM

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But even then, Looters raises a great point

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Keyes was using a dropship, they don't have slipspace drives

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Not to mention that Keyes is a ship captain

unique hornet Feb 2, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Sure, unless 343 confirms it, Stacker’s something of handwavium atm

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I’m mostly looking for holes in canon that I can weave my RPG group through to provide some option to get them back home for Halo 2 without outright contradicting stuff

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ONI Prowler fits pretty perfectly though

carmine sleet Feb 2, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I will say this, the timeline surrounding the aftermath of the Battle of Installation 04 is pretty messy thanks to a Slipspace crystal found on Reach during First Strike, which caused some temporal anomalies

split spindle Feb 2, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Jackal pirates?

carmine sleet Feb 2, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Jackal Pirates wouldn't have been anywhere near 04

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 7:33 PM

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They met up with the sangheili commando the chief fought and went on wacky adventures

split spindle Feb 2, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Road trip the Halo edition

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Or "the heretics guide to the galaxy"

unique hornet Feb 2, 2020, 7:36 PM

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That’s hilarious

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Might do that as a one-shot for April Fools

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Which one?

unique hornet Feb 2, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Heretics Guide to the Galaxy :P

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Ah

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Would give us an answer why we never hear from the commando

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 7:55 PM

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the heretics guide to the galaxy
XD

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Could it be possible they were in a pelican and went the alpha halo shard in nightfall went into slip space (that’s what happened right, I haven’t watched nightfall in awhile) to take it to another system they just piggy backed off that jump, idk🤷‍♂️

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Pelican would not survive that

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 8:01 PM

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What about covenant ships

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Just spit balling here

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Maybe they were held as prisoners and then escaped before H2?

carmine sleet Feb 2, 2020, 8:09 PM

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If they ended up with the Alpha Shard from Nightfall, ONI would've known about the shard and ensured nobody could go anywhere near it

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 8:09 PM

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True dat

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It’s probably one of those things we’ll never figure out

unique hornet Feb 2, 2020, 8:19 PM

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from my understanding, the Covenant weren't too privy to prisoner taking at this point

hasty locust Feb 2, 2020, 8:20 PM

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That is also “true dat”

unique hornet Feb 2, 2020, 8:22 PM

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I actually need to watch Nightfall, haven't seen it yet

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thank you for the spitballing though, folks! I might swing the ONI prowler explanation, makes the most sense as to why it's been hushed up in canon and 'cause of the temporal anomaly nonsense in First Strike it's feasible to reach the ring and make it back to Earth by late October for the Covenant invasion

terse lava Feb 2, 2020, 9:06 PM

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There any reason for the officer armor being around?

versed helm Feb 3, 2020, 12:46 AM

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It gives the Officers an ego

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 3:04 AM

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I guess

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Good old fashioned minor armor not good enough

torpid flare Feb 3, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Why was the Covenant late to discover humans?

versed helm Feb 3, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Space is huge

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Also the covenant didn’t really start looking for the Halos until the Age of Reclamation

torpid flare Feb 3, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Thanks

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Didnt they spend practically their entire existence looking for the halos?

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Nah

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There were many ages of the covenant

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Ages of doubt, ages of conflict, etc

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They didn’t really start actively trying to start the Great Journey until the age of reclamation

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Can someone explain what Blue Team was doing from Halo 1 to before 5?

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Halo 1: Trying to survive Reach or stuck in a cryo pod
Halo 2: Earth battles /being taken by Halsey to Onyx
Halo 3: Stuck on Onyx
Halo 4: Various missions

versed helm Feb 3, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Was Freddy promoted to 01 during H3-4?

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Thanks, ive been wondering about that for a long time

versed helm Feb 3, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Im talking about Fred 104 btw

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Yeah, he was apparently leader during that period

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Also, how did Osiris form?

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 4:56 AM

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"Let's make a team to get Halsey."
"Kay. Let's have...these guys."

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Fred was Chief Petty Officer during The Fall of Reach, and was promoted to Lieutenant Junior Grade by Kurt on Onyx so he could lead Team Saber and Tom and Lucy and so that they would trust his judgments if they knew the promotion came from Kurt.

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Fair enough, never understood why Buck became a spartan though. Yes I am new to lore so I do apologize in advance.

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 4:58 AM

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He initially refused

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 4:59 AM

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He was one of the better soldiers around, so since becoming an S4 was fairly safe, he was a fairly obvious choice for the recruiters. Though as Canadian said, he didn't wanna join without the rest of his team.

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:01 AM

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I see, so when would he have through the augmentation and such?

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gone

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:01 AM

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I guess around 2554 or something?

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:01 AM

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He was part of the second class, so......2554/5?

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Interesting, and what had become of his team?

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:02 AM

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They are back together. Mostly

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Exchanged Rookie for Dutch's wife, Gretchen.

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I think?

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Yeah

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:03 AM

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In my understanding, didn't Rookie die after Halo 3 ODST?

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Ye

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Yes

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He was shot in the head

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Why?

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:04 AM

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And Mickey's to blame...you give rebels...a bad name!

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:04 AM

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He was taken prisoner by Insurrectionists and executed during a botched rescue operation.

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Wow. so the insurrection continued even after the human/covenant war?

deep pewter Feb 3, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Well duh

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Yeah. Their grievances wouldn't exactly go away

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:05 AM

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I see.

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And you said Mickey was to blame, was he responsible for everything?

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:06 AM

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He didn’t take a shot that would have saved the Rook

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IIRC

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:06 AM

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That's what I recall

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:07 AM

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He had insurrectionist leanings. His parents were insurgents or at least supporters.

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:08 AM

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So after Rookie died, the replacement had been Gretchen?

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Technically yes

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Eventually

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:08 AM

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But not really

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She was a pseudo replacement after Halo 5, but she wasn’t officially meant to be

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Yeah

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:09 AM

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In-universe anyways.

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Wow. I have a lot to learn.

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I have so many more questions.

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:10 AM

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We’re here to answer!

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:10 AM

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We'll try our best to answer them

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Yeah

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Thank you.

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Well, I did want to know what became of Dare as well.

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:11 AM

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She and Buck got married

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:12 AM

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And was she still in affiliation of ONI after ODST?

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Ye

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:13 AM

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That's pretty much what she was doing afterwards? ONI missions?

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Ye

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:13 AM

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What about Dutch?

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:14 AM

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He retired with his wife

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Until the recent stuff happened

brisk vine Feb 3, 2020, 5:17 AM

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I see. I have to go now, but I appreciate you and Canadian answering my previous inquiries. Lookin forward to talk with you again soon. Cheers.

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 5:17 AM

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👍

stoic hamlet Feb 3, 2020, 5:27 AM

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See ya friend!

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Fun question, hown would bthe story of halo 2 go had chief been sent to halo and thel to high charity?

true shadow Feb 3, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Wait... Dutch is active again?

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Ye

true shadow Feb 3, 2020, 6:33 AM

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I never heard about this

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 6:33 AM

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It was in Bad Blood.

true shadow Feb 3, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Ahh

remote spruce Feb 3, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Bad Cholesterol

glossy vapor Feb 3, 2020, 7:19 AM

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John Halo dies from a heart attack

stark fern Feb 3, 2020, 8:27 AM

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if the installation 04 map from reach is a simulation, how did anyone know about that halo, or the cartographers?

carmine sleet Feb 3, 2020, 8:28 AM

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They knew about Halo after it was discovered by the Pillar of Autumn and the survivors made it back to UNSC controlled space

stark fern Feb 3, 2020, 8:29 AM

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but doesnt it take place during the human occupation on reach?

carmine sleet Feb 3, 2020, 8:30 AM

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Humanity were the ones who had Reach in the first place

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The Covenant were the ones invading

stark fern Feb 3, 2020, 8:30 AM

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oh oof

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wait, so do the simulations take place before or after we find the 1st halo

versed helm Feb 3, 2020, 8:56 AM

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Arent all the spartans in every single Halo's multiplayer SIV's? Or am I horribly mistaken?

versed helm Feb 3, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Depends how you interpret it

obsidian thistle Feb 3, 2020, 1:25 PM

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Y'all wanna see a rather obscure vehicle I discovered yesterday?

safe siren Feb 3, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Oh, right, that vehicle.

It wouldn't be bad in a game

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btw, at the time of Reach the multiplayer was still not canon, so the fights on the maps are not canon as well.

If you want to see them behind the S-IV simulation program then they are canon

obsidian thistle Feb 3, 2020, 1:35 PM

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This vehicle ;)

📎 IMG_20200203_133501.jpg

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Well as of the time of this writing regarding MP

safe siren Feb 3, 2020, 1:37 PM

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It's strange, too strange.

But it could work

obsidian thistle Feb 3, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Halo 2, Halo 2A, Halo 3, Halo 4, and Halo 5 have their some of their maps in War Games.

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With Halo Reach having the only non-simulated map.

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https://www.halopedia.org/Highlands

Halopedia

Highlands

Highlands is one of three maps in the Defiant Map Pack designed for Halo: Reach.

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Cause War Games not be limited to Augmented Spartans yo. And isnt limited to Simulations.

sharp adder Feb 3, 2020, 1:53 PM

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Yeah

obsidian thistle Feb 3, 2020, 2:00 PM

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Halo Wars 2 MP isnt canon however

narrow basin Feb 3, 2020, 2:05 PM

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will we ever see Black Box in main Halo title? I mean both Steve Downes and Jen Taylor are growing older they can't keep playing Chief and Cortana forever.

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and BB seems like, a good replacement tbh, Kilo-Five somewhat bad writings put aside

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Doubt it

carmine sleet Feb 3, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Black Box wouldn't really have much of a reason to appear in a Halo game, especially given that we already know he's reaching the end of his life thanks to Rossbach's World

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 2:17 PM

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What year does that story take place? 2559?

obsidian thistle Feb 3, 2020, 2:18 PM

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2558 if I recall. I need to re-read it

narrow basin Feb 3, 2020, 2:18 PM

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dang. I just wonder if we have someone (a SPARTAN and an AI) that Chief and Cortana can pass the torch to

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 2:19 PM

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So if infinite occurs in 2561 at minimum then BB could already dead unless it joined the created

obsidian thistle Feb 3, 2020, 2:23 PM

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I do wonder how much harm Cortana just did to Human AI in terms of what happens after the Created Conflict.

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Cause that may apply to some stuff

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Harm?

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You mean in terms of humanity’s perception of AI?

narrow basin Feb 3, 2020, 2:33 PM

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Yea

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I guess UNSC ships might come with a containment system/protocol (basically the ship size of the containment chip Chief have in Infinite trailer) in case the AI gone rogue?

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Likely messed it up for a.few decades-to centuries at least. Had it only been Cortana likely nothing really bad for the other ai nut they joined here so..yea

narrow basin Feb 3, 2020, 2:40 PM

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UNSC Marines might also be more wary of smart AI joining their op

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I guess in lieu of smart AIs on strategic UNSC ships, dumb AIs (like Superintendent and Auntie) would simply do more task

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 2:43 PM

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Dumb AIs cannot be entrusted with complex responsibilities like flying a ship

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I wonder if Roland would have joined the Created if he had been closer to rampancy at the time of the Reclamation

feral perch Feb 3, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Wait, how do we know that?

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 3:36 PM

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know what?

feral perch Feb 3, 2020, 3:37 PM

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The Infinity had a Dumb AI before Roland, at least.

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How do we know that Dumb AIs can't pilot a ship?

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Mortal Dictata says the UNSC never uses Dumb AI for shipboard AI

feral perch Feb 3, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Oh, okay.

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Well, what about Aine then? I'm sure that Glasslands states that she was a Dumb AI.

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Oh wait, it was Thursday War.

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 3:40 PM

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can't find anything stating she was Smart or Dumb

feral perch Feb 3, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Me either.

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 3:43 PM

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She wasn't intended to be a permanent shipboard AI. Maybe the author of that Data Drop that revealed Cortana destroyed her didn't read Kilo-Five trilogy

feral perch Feb 3, 2020, 3:43 PM

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That's possible.

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Actually no, that's not possible

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where would they have gotten the name Aine if they hadn't read Karen's books?

feral perch Feb 3, 2020, 3:44 PM

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The narrative team?

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Lore proxies told the author about Aine, maybe.

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If the author of Broken Circle can mistakenly refer to Sangheili blood as blue, then I could believe that a very minor AI's classification might not be remembered or known.

obsidian thistle Feb 3, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Aine is odd.

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She hasnt been said to be dumb or smart.

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That said Infinity ran fine without Aine.

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So she could be either

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 4:04 PM

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we've seen as early as CE that a ship doesn't need an AI to function. But it seems like only a Smart AI would be given authority for big decisions like battle decisions, slipspace navigation, autopiloting/navigational subroutines, etc., in lieu of the ship's Captain or other important human crew

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if Aine was in fact a dumb AI, then it's unlikely she ever did anything on the Infinity beyond diagnostic checks

obsidian thistle Feb 3, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Well there is the Roland scenario. Where Roland doesnt seem 100% suited to his job. Messing stuff up here and there in Spartan Ops.

So I am under the impression that they may have been "waiting" for a suitable AI for Infinity. But 5 years with a temp "Hoo boy" thats a long time and a half.

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Couldnt a dumb ai be created for purely flying a vessel?

versed helm Feb 3, 2020, 4:23 PM

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cant dumb AIs be created for a specific task tho

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so id guess they could be created for flying a vessel

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Dumb AIs are only created for specific tasks

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they don't tend to be useful outside of that task

versed helm Feb 3, 2020, 4:37 PM

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indeed

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 4:38 PM

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but Dumb AI lack the free thinking and creativity that smart AI have, so jobs that require major decision making are not suitable for them

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Guess would go with your idea of her working sub systems then Chim

midnight drift Feb 3, 2020, 5:07 PM

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meeeep

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Wort

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 6:16 PM

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A thought comes to me on the flood war. During the war before the greater ark fell, why didnt any forerunners just flee the galaxy

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 6:18 PM

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because abdicating their position wasn't really an option

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they were too prideful

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I could understand that from the higher ups and warrior servants, but not some civilian

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 6:22 PM

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was there a such thing as a civilian forerunner?

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i thought every forerunner was part of a rate

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Would not every non warrior servant not count as a civilian?

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 6:23 PM

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I don't think Master Builder Faber would have allowed any builders to flee during the war

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when you have the leaders of every rate agreeing to stay and fight, then every forerunner in every rate would be expected to contribute in some way

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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A good point, just feels like some would be sent out or gone out themselves for if nothing else, makingnsure forerunners lived

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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forerunner civilization differed quite a bit from human civ

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i think even the lowest ranked Forerunner would still carry this idea that his race was responsible for all others in the galaxy

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 6:30 PM

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True, although we do see not all agree. Mentions of forerunner pocket empires in warfleet and silentium showing a planet of rebel miners and builders give testament to that. Overall though, I find it funny in that way the covenant had more freedom then the forerunners

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 6:48 PM

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I would agree though chim, does make sense now

abstract venture Feb 3, 2020, 7:06 PM

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If they ran the Flood could just chase them too

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And they'd be fighting without the established defenses of the Maginot sphere

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Only if the flood k ow where they were going

humble yacht Feb 3, 2020, 7:16 PM

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well, when you're the flood, you just need to keep eating and expanding

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then it doesn't matter where anyone runs

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because eventually you'll find them

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Touche

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Has it ever been said when sangheili began venerating the forerunners?

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Don't believe so

carmine sleet Feb 3, 2020, 9:52 PM

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It's not been said when but we can assume it was early on in their time on Sanghelios, post Halo firing

safe siren Feb 3, 2020, 10:33 PM

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They already did when they meet the San shyuum

terse lava Feb 3, 2020, 10:45 PM

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I am aware they did before the san shyuum popped up. Curious on when though. As we are told they had plasma weapons for thousands of years before the Covenant was formed yet only pre-forerunner thing we have would be a mythical tale that appears to be their Oddesy tale

kindred linden Feb 3, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Pretty sure the covenant always worshipped the forerunners. Didn’t it form after a war about whether it was sacrilegious to modify forerunner tech?

gilded mason Feb 3, 2020, 11:54 PM

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He was wondering at what point after the reseeding that it began for the Sangheili specifically. As at one time after the reseeding, their worship had more to do with gods like Urs, instead of Forerunners.

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Yes

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At one point they venetrated their sun, a similar thing with older civilizations like ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt. Then forerunner worship pops up at some point

hasty locust Feb 4, 2020, 1:17 AM

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Sun is cool

lavish vapor Feb 4, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Solarie wants to know Sangheilios position

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Was there ever a reason 343 kept the brute plasma rife around for halo 5 and hw2?

hasty locust Feb 4, 2020, 2:32 AM

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So lore people don’t question why it disappears like the poor, poor plasma launcher

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:33 AM

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looks at vanished sangheili plasma rifle

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Yeah, you get the storm rifle

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Which is just as good

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Take care Looter, what you say is heresy

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That weapon is utter garbage

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Elites just jealous of humanity's full-scale rifle swag

lavish vapor Feb 4, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Between the rifle, plasma repeater and storm rifle, the Snagheili are gearing to give the MA5 series it’s run

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:48 AM

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The repeater is only so good. You cant beat the good old plasma rifle

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 2:48 AM

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The storm rifle is ugly

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And looks less advanced

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 2:49 AM

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The aesthetic of the vanilla Plasma Rifle is really nice, with it looking fairly non-conventional.

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Mhm

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It looks, oh I dont know

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Alien??

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Yeah

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lol

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Plus the benefit of resembling a sangheili mandibles

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Hopefully the Plasma Rifle returns on Infinite and not the Storm Rifle

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Or better yet what 343 should have done

hasty locust Feb 4, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Do we know why they made the storm rifle in-universe

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Just have borh

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Lore wise it was to replace the plasma rifle

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 2:52 AM

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But if they had both What would differentiate them

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It would just be the Plasma Rifle and Plasma Repeater in Reach all over again

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:53 AM

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@versed helmrange, SMG and assault rifle were in 3

hasty locust Feb 4, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Plasma repeater looked alien still though

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:53 AM

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A bit yes

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 2:53 AM

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The Plasma rifle wouldnt live up to its name 😢

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Blasphemy, always has and will

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 2:54 AM

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But if it behaves like an SMG it wouldnt be as Gucci as in CE

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Eh I do miss that

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Wait...Gucci? Wht not just say good?

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 2:55 AM

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I like saying gucci better

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Eh ok

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 2:58 AM

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It could be a solution but why have Covie Counter parts to the AR and SMG? More weapons? Plus I dont think the Covenant arsenal really needs both an AR and SMG counterpart, just have one id say.

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Well ARs and SMGs do fulfil very significant functional differences in terms of ballistic weapons

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Not so sure about when it comes to plasma weapons, though, which seem to suffer from limited range

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Obviously compensated for my incredibly killing power

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Just plasma rifle then. Sangheili and covenant had it since the foundation of the covensnt

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 3:01 AM

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That said, the Brute plasma rifle has a higher range rating in the Spartan Field Manual than the MA5D

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So who on Earth knows

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Ye, I think we should just have the Plasma Rifle, I dont really see a need for the Storm Rifle

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Plus, the Plasma Rifle already kinda serves both the AR and SMG role, more so SMG for me.

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The need is canonical variety

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It's always cool to have more stuff, even if they overlap and thus aren't really featured in most multiplayer modes

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More weapons the better I guess, I just dont really think both are neccesary

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To have both of them is What I mean

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Just have one of the two

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 3:27 AM

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All opinion either way

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Isnt it always?

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Indeed

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 4:56 AM

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ske7ch

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 5:16 AM

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You know, I wonder if any precursors took on biped form

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 5:30 AM

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What forms could precursors Take?

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I dont know much about them aside from the basics since Im not a fan of the ancient era aside from the Forerunners

lavish vapor Feb 4, 2020, 7:37 AM

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@versed helm they were trans-sentient and could take almost any form, apparently.

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Jeez

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Reminds me of Greek Gods

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:34 AM

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So

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I played a skirmish of Halo Wars just recently

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Cobra carried the game

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It'd be so cool to see it make a comeback. Certainly one of the coolest UNSC ground vehicles.

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Notable for being one of the few railgun weapons in a universe of coilguns

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Ironically, that might actually mean it's super old-school

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Since railguns are actually less sophisticated than coilguns

narrow basin Feb 4, 2020, 11:15 AM

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UNSC military tech seems to run on the principle "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

jade axle Feb 4, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Maybe not the best principle for an interstellar attack/defence force of an entire species, but it seems to be working so far

feral perch Feb 4, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Loo “railguns are less sophisticated than coilguns” ters

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Both are less then plasma though 😋

abstract venture Feb 4, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Do we know what female brutes look like?

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👀👀

feral perch Feb 4, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Brutish

hasty locust Feb 4, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I would love to see the HW vehicles in a fps halo game

copper wigeon Feb 4, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I would love to see how a jackrabbit could be translated to an fps format, I imagine it would handle somewhat like a Mongoose.

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2020, 4:29 PM

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It'd likely be more stable than a Mongoose

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And faster too

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 4:39 PM

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probably handle a little bit like a chopper

fair hazel Feb 4, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I saw a thread on Reddit about people complaining about halo wars vehicles and I was like, not pleased. Too bad it wasn’t here so I could respond easier

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(About them supposedly not making sense)

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2020, 4:41 PM

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What are some of their examples of vehicles not making sense?

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 4:42 PM

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and what vehicles specifically

fair hazel Feb 4, 2020, 5:02 PM

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It was a while ago. I think they mentioned the vampire though.

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Had it been on this discord, a number of people could have dispelled those notions. Sometimes I just want to drag people in here, hehe

hasty locust Feb 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Ha

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I know that feeling all too well from people I have dealt with on other servers

hasty locust Feb 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Cause not everyone can be intellectuals like us

fair hazel Feb 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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What

hasty locust Feb 4, 2020, 5:09 PM

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This server is smort

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Irony😋

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But for the sake of it I am curious now. How did they say the vampire did not work?

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 6:14 PM

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I was just told that the Fall of Reach book is not lore, is that true?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 6:15 PM

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No

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Like it's not considered lore anymore.

copper wigeon Feb 4, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Much of it is considered canon

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 6:15 PM

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It and the game's canon was...reconciled. For the most part.

copper wigeon Feb 4, 2020, 6:15 PM

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are you refering to how the reach game story interferes with the book lore?

feral perch Feb 4, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Both are canon.

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 6:16 PM

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343 stated both the book and game are cannon

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Yeah, that's what my friend was basing it on.

feral perch Feb 4, 2020, 6:16 PM

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And that creates some really dumb situations.

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But TFoR has a way better narrative than Reach, so it's acceptable.

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 6:17 PM

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both are different

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 6:17 PM

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I agree, personally I didn't really understand the necessity of Reach's story.

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 6:17 PM

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only thing they share is the setting

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and a few big names

feral perch Feb 4, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Bungie wanted to get out of Halo and they didn't care about book canon.

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So we got Reach.

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Interesting.

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Is First Strike still relevant?

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 6:19 PM

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idk why they went for reach if it was bound to restrict what they could have the story go to, they probably should've gone for a different setting

feral perch Feb 4, 2020, 6:19 PM

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I've heard they've messed up Destiny lore too, by saying that the original Grimoire cards are now unreliable and have to be examined on a case-by-case basis

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It was Halo's ten year anniversary, they thought it fitting to go back to the beginning and tell a prequel story

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 6:19 PM

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yeah i get that but its just kinda weird

feral perch Feb 4, 2020, 6:19 PM

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(I know it wasn't actually ten years, but that's how Bungie thought about it)

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 6:23 PM

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I knew that my friend was inaccurate in that sense. There's no way TFoR could have been not lore.

cloud trellis Feb 4, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Fall to reach is the first book ever made in there series?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Yes.

hasty locust Feb 4, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Did ado lowkey call me dumb XD

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but also 😞

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 6:47 PM

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What happened in between CE and H2?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 6:48 PM

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John and company went back to Reach to save Halsey and company, and then were able to destroy Truth's secret fleet headed for Earth.

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 6:49 PM

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So how the Battle of Mombasa come to be?

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did*

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Regret destroyed enough SMAC platforms to speed into Earth atmosphere. Since his goal was what was hidden underneath that city, that's where he went.

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I see, are the books necessary to learn more about the lore?

stoic hamlet Feb 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I'd say yes

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Yeah. They have a lot of lore stuff in them.

stoic hamlet Feb 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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you van read a wiki but that doesn't give the full effect.

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 6:54 PM

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It does save you money tho

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Like cliff notes

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 6:55 PM

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I have been referring to wiki pages but I just feel it's not enough but I have gathered some interesting stories but I am considering Cliff Notes. but if i were to get the books, which one should I start with?

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I already have TFoR from a friend of mine, but I would like to keep going.

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 6:57 PM

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You can always go release order, I suppose

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https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_novels

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Thanks

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I did have another question, why did the Insurrection begin?

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 7:00 PM

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because the UEG didnt really care about the outer colonies as much as the inner colonies

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and the outer colonies thought it was unfair

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and so a bunch of farmers rose up

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best i can do

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 7:02 PM

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I see, and the Spartan 2's were initially made to combat them?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Yes.

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 7:04 PM

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I see. In regards to the Spartan 2 program, how was Halsey able to create the augmentation process and whatnot?

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Also, what did she base the candidates on?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 7:05 PM

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I see. In regards to the Spartan 2 program, how was Halsey able to create the augmentation process and whatnot?
Yes. She wanted to refine it further to prevent the deaths and deformities it caused for many of the Spartans, but she was on a timer from ONI.

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Also, what did she base the candidates on?
Specific genetic markers that she knew would have the best compatibility with the augments she was going to use.

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Oh whoops. You said "how".

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This details it:
https://www.halopedia.org/Project_ASTER

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Oh no, it's fine, I was just wondering now on why Halsey was eventually arrested.

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Because she abducted Kelly and took her and other Spartans out of the war.

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Kidnapping children as well

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 7:10 PM

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She didn't want any more Spartans to die in what she felt was a hopeless war, but ONI didn't see it that way

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 7:10 PM

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So it was viewed as high treason essentially?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I guess? I don't remember what exactly it was called.

brisk vine Feb 4, 2020, 7:12 PM

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And in the beginning of Halo 4, was she being interrogated for that reason?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 7:13 PM

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I don't think so. Though I'm not sure what that was really about

stoic hamlet Feb 4, 2020, 7:42 PM

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It was high treason, yeah.

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Kidnapping Kelly and stuff.

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 7:42 PM

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that particular investigation seemed to be focused on what made Spartans so effective. It might have been someone from the Spartan Branch or Spartan IV program

stoic hamlet Feb 4, 2020, 7:42 PM

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That’s my guess as well

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I’m not really sure why they would have needed to consult/ask her though.

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 7:45 PM

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maybe they were trying to get her opinion on whether normal people could be effective spartans

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since Spartan 2s were all socially flawed

stoic hamlet Feb 4, 2020, 7:48 PM

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I’m not sure what metric they’d be using to judge that though.

Is it obedience to orders? Combat capabilities? Skills under pressure?

The only one that could maybe match that would be obedience to orders, but we have examples in the real world of regular people doing pretty heinous stuff (or even just morally ambiguous stuff) without much thought because they were told to and given (to them) a good enough reason for that to occur.

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Heck, if Hunt The Truth is to be believed we have examples of UNSC troops gunning down protesters.

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 7:50 PM

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I think it'd be more about skills under pressure or ability to respond under pressure

stoic hamlet Feb 4, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Maybe.

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 7:51 PM

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the feats the Spartans performed were special because they were extra loyal

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they were special because it's almost like they had no regards for themselves

stoic hamlet Feb 4, 2020, 7:51 PM

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But I don’t see how that would correlate to them being “broken” and socially flawed.

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Well they basically don’t.

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I mean, they do

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 7:52 PM

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maybe their willingness to enter danger and complete missions at all costs was due to their abnormal upbringing and lack of social norms

stoic hamlet Feb 4, 2020, 7:52 PM

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But if needed they’ve been shown to super easily dehumanize themselves, run the numbers, if you will, to achieve an objective if it means mission success.

Possibly.

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 7:54 PM

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I think it's specific to soldiers and war activities, because when a firefighter runs into a fire, you don't call them crazy

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but a soldier running into battle and seemingly enjoying the carnage (or at least actively looking for a fight) seems less socially acceptable

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and when you consider what they Spartans were built for (i.e. eliminating rebel humans with extreme prejudice), it seems less heroic and bordering on sociopathic

stoic hamlet Feb 4, 2020, 7:58 PM

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True.

But if ONI/Spartan Branch wanted to use willingness to fight and the urge to be in a fight the II’s don’t seem the group to focus on.

The II’s did it because they were told to and it’s all they know, and they’ve grown accustomed to it.

The III’s were the ones who thrived in it. Motivation, as Kurt says.

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 7:59 PM

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yea but Ackerson wasn't around to question

stoic hamlet Feb 4, 2020, 7:59 PM

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The II’s usually took to combat with stoicism, but the III’s have repeatedly shown to be unhinged and an enjoyment of it.

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True.

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 8:00 PM

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maybe the SII's stoicism and seeming lack of emotion either way was more shocking than the SIII's enjoyment of killing covies

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seeking revenge is very human, after all

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and attributing the actions of a few to an entire group is also (unfortunately) very human

stoic hamlet Feb 4, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Hmmm, interesting irony with the II’s and III’s actually.

Not counting Blue Team’s kidnapping of Watts, the first engagement the Spartan II’s as a whole took part in was against the Covenant, an enemy they weren’t really trained to fight.

Meanwhile the III’s first engagement was against human insurrectionists when they were primarily trained to fight Covenant.

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Added to the obvious irony the covenant, thinking they are the reclaimers, wiping out the actual reclaimers

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 8:28 PM

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More like

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Um

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Apparently r followed by a bunch of e's is offensive

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Imagine that

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But with "claimers" on the end

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I thought memers got it from the frog sound?

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 8:30 PM

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WHAT

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Okay, fine.

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Welp

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Well, I sure hope nobody with that condition joins to server and feels excluded

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Geniuses

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~~Well that is a bit of a stretch~~

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~~It's not like they go around loudly proclaiming that they have it but 🤷‍♂️ ~~

quiet umbra Feb 4, 2020, 8:37 PM

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wha

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you're kidding me

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(using L337speak obviously)

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Maybe the bot was the one making that noise all along

boreal bane Feb 4, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Don't bypass the filter please

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Sure, my bad

torpid flare Feb 4, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Why the Covenant didn't get infected by human diseases and vice versa?

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 9:00 PM

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because diseases don't often cross species

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:01 PM

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And nobody's suffering from any major diseases in Halo anyway

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They got that

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Medical tech

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Nanites

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Screening

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Surgery

torpid flare Feb 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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It would be a lot more interesting if the Covenant would fall due to human diseases like chickenpox.

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 9:08 PM

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so basically you want Halo to be War of the Worlds

abstract venture Feb 4, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Also Covenant had pretty advanced medical tech

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Even though elites would hardly use it, Covie ships had automated surgery/medical suites

tepid lynx Feb 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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that's an understatement

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2020, 9:20 PM

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It would've been horrible if we saw the Covenant fall because everyone got ill from a human with a cold

tepid lynx Feb 4, 2020, 9:22 PM

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also an understatement

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:23 PM

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I mean

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You could have all the Covenant die of chickenpox

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Or you could have enormous, epic planetary campaigns

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A 28-year long war concluding in the discovery of ancient alien ringworlds of unparalleled power

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And a titanic civil war

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🤷

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I know which I prefer

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Chickenpox doesn’t even cross infect animals on earth

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The covenant would have nothing to worry about

abstract venture Feb 4, 2020, 9:27 PM

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oni had a plan to wipe out the covenant with HIV

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2020, 9:27 PM

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I don't understand how both statements were understatements @tepid lynx

humble yacht Feb 4, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Source on that? @abstract venture

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:42 PM

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I love War of the Worlds, but i wouldn’t like to see the covenant fall thanks to the common cold, though now I wonder how some species in the covenant would look like if they were sick thinkingchief

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Though that would be very rare thanks to their advanced medical equipment

hasty locust Feb 4, 2020, 9:45 PM

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I don’t want to think of an elite sneezing and spraying booger’s all over me

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Your loss

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:46 PM

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If it’s any consolation their medical equipment is probably so advanced you’ll never see an elite sneezing and spraying booger’s

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Ostral, you scare me sometimes

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:47 PM

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But it does make me curious as to how they would look like

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Ostral, you scare me sometimes
Don't worry, that one was just a "crud"post. 😋

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Right... I'm just gonna go back away and see what's going on in general chat now...

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 9:48 PM

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lol

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:48 PM

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What kind of clothes do sangheili wear?

carmine sleet Feb 4, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Robes

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 9:49 PM

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More tunics than robes.

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Like the ones from Legends?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Also, recently drew something about that!
https://i.imgur.com/t15Gpjp.jpg

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Yeaaah, I think I saw you post that on the Sangheili community

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 9:50 PM

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I only ever read about Sangheili wearing robes in a religious context.

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Ye

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:51 PM

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It looks pretty cool

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Thank ya

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Seeing the Forerunner ship in the background makes me nostalgic for H2

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I miss High Charity.

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Yeah, I loved the Mission Gravemind solely because you get to visit High Charity

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“Visit” as in kill everything you encounter, but cool nonetheless

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Oh, yeah. And as seen in Silent Storm/Oblivion, they also wear tabards.

hasty locust Feb 4, 2020, 10:00 PM

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That’s pretty sick, Ostwald

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*ostral

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Autocorrect is my bane

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 10:03 PM

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lol

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 10:09 PM

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My autocorrect almost called Ostral “Oswald” so don’t worry boi, I’ve also suffered thanks to autocorrect.

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Ha

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Also, there's a sangheili community??

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 10:27 PM

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It's...a thing

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 10:29 PM

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...why do you say it that way?

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Come to think if it, didn't Nizat wear a more ceremonial armor when talking to the hierarchs?

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 10:33 PM

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It’s... complicated

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Come to think if it, didn't Nizat wear a more ceremonial armor when talking to the hierarchs?
Don't think so:
A short time later, Nizat arrived with ten loyal escorts at the entrance to the Sanctum of the Hierarchs. He had donned his blue shipboard armor, absent his helmet and weapons, because it was his right to die in his armor, and he knew what was coming.

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 10:36 PM

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@terse lava it’s more of a clan based community, some of those clans even role play, I don’t do it myself but... I’m in the discord

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Ah ok @versed helm and wouldn't that armor count? Only other time I recall a high rank sangheili wearing that was in broken circle @gilded mason

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Because it's not special ceremonial armor, it's just his usual armor.

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 10:38 PM

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How old was Nizat again?

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Around 200-ish

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 10:39 PM

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Jeez, if sangheili can fight at that age without much of a problem I wonder for how long they can live

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 10:39 PM

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Yeah

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Just watch, they can.live up to 400-500 years

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Calling it now

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 10:55 PM

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How would an old sangheili look like? Lol

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 10:56 PM

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A bit like this:
Tup’Quk, a Sangheili bent with age, bristling with the odd hairs the very old sometimes sprouted from various crevices, came shuffling slowly, the ceremonial jewelry jingling from his pierced mandibles.

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Lmao

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Where is that from

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I must know

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Broken Circle

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Thanks boi

obsidian thistle Feb 4, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Here is a fun fact. Prior to the firing of the Halo Array. Sangheili had a far smaller lifespan

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With a life expectancy of 27 years.

versed helm Feb 4, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Ye

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Is that all that’s known about them in the ancient era though?

obsidian thistle Feb 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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There is bits and bobs

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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That, and the visuals we can't really know for a fact from Legends: Origins. And the Didact's cut dialogue

obsidian thistle Feb 4, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Assuming Halo 5s info is refering about Pre-firing and not post. They were troublesome enough to merit Guardians.

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Assuming Halo 5s info is refering about Pre-firing and not post.
Hm?

obsidian thistle Feb 4, 2020, 11:14 PM

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I mean Sangheili have murals depicting a E3 Owl Guardian. And also had a Guardian left buried at Sunaion.

gilded mason Feb 4, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Ah

obsidian thistle Feb 4, 2020, 11:16 PM

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And I dont recall the Forerunner giving the same drastic memory wiping measures they gave to humans to other species

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So its 50 50 tbh on if it was post or pre array.

terse lava Feb 4, 2020, 11:26 PM

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We do also know that sangheili pre-halo were "less dramatic," according to Guilty

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 1:10 AM

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sangheili is big ugly.

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 1:10 AM

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wude

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 1:12 AM

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i mean they look like cheap horror characters.

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Are you just talking about the 4/5 version, or...?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:13 AM

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well, they kinda were based off of xenomorphs, to a certain extent

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They don’t look like cheap horror characters boi, they look like squid men, at least the classic version

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Did I hear heresy?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Yes

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 1:57 AM

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They know the law, the punishment for heresy is 40 days listening to gravemind poetry

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:58 AM

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They’re gonna come out wanting to be infected boi, the Graveminds poetry will persuade them to join his ranks

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Or... rip their ears off

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One of the two

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:06 AM

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ok, thanks for giving me good poetry

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:07 AM

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That will turn you into a space zombie CSGOMister

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:08 AM

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ok

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:08 AM

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yes

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:08 AM

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thanks

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Np

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:09 AM

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elites are bad and scary -a good grunt

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 2:10 AM

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Never once did I say it was good poetry

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:10 AM

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I did tashi

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 2:11 AM

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arbiter

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:12 AM

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we agreed that it is good poetry

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i killed worm guy

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:12 AM

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U killed earth worm Jim??!!

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:12 AM

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it was accident

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no i mean the gravemind

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please don't punish me

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by being dominated by stinky elites

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Ur gonna be dominated by stinky Hesduros Elites

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:16 AM

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nooo, i am get squashed by brute elites

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Yes

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:16 AM

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i kill them

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CSGOMister

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:17 AM

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You’ll do the sangheili a favor

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:17 AM

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the original ones?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Yes.

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:18 AM

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good

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they are good bois, especially the arbitcoiner and the vadumb guy

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:18 AM

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The vadum squid is best squid

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:19 AM

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i ate their mandibles

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as tentacles

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Bones included?

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:19 AM

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yes

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Nasty

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Eating the teeth like a corn cob?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Do sangheili brush their teeth?

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:20 AM

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i keep their bones to a skeleton

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i have one as a pet

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Do sangheili brush their teeth?
Probably some high-tech scifi version of it

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Good

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It’ll make eating the teeth as corncob not as nasty for u storm

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:22 AM

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they would have four toothbrushes

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:22 AM

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One for each mandible

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:22 AM

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this channel is now certified cursed

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:22 AM

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It’s always been cursed boi

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:22 AM

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did i make it worse

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:22 AM

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Nein

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Yours was lighter to everything else I’ve seen/talked about

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:24 AM

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enginner alien is good because he has tentacle as their head

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:24 AM

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They’re good for... other purposes 😏

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:24 AM

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oh no

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not that cursed

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:25 AM

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It’s been that cursed since 2009 boi

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There’s fan art to prove it

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 2:25 AM

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Cursed...or blessed?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:25 AM

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Depends on your point of view

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For some it’s a curse

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For others it’s a blessing 😏

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:29 AM

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grunts are toddlers with spacesuits

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think about it

feral perch Feb 5, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Ostral

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no

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 2:35 AM

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yes

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Grunts are taller than many full-grown humans

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They're like 5" average

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:39 AM

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@gilded mason thanks wikihow elite

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Glad I helped, even if I don't know how.

abstract venture Feb 5, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Grunts are built like gorillas

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They can rip people apart with their bare hands

sharp adder Feb 5, 2020, 3:37 AM

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yep and have sharp teth if they ar efoold cobat they are worse than elites

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Greetings everyone, how go-noticed latest chat, slowly walks back out

stoic hamlet Feb 5, 2020, 3:51 AM

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No Ado.

stay

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 4:01 AM

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B-b-but the heresy...there is... so.much.heresy

sharp adder Feb 5, 2020, 4:11 AM

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i know so the rbrt will love it

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and truth will lie abot it

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 5:00 AM

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The what?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:29 AM

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So, nerds.

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I was talking to my boi Rasq over in Halopedia

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And I came up with a conceptualization of sentience and AI in Halo which I find quite robust.

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I thought I'd share it here since occasionally we like to go deep.

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Ok. Shoot

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:30 AM

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It all relates to neural structures.

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Neural structures are these incredibly complex nervous-system like networks - well, literally nervous systems - that can exist both physically and digitally generate the quantum phenomena of consciousness.

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We don't know IRL what consciousness is, right? So it's fair enough that it could be some weird quantum anomaly.

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That's probably the most scientifically grounded conceptualization of it.

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With me so far?

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Yeah

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:31 AM

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The defining trait of these structures is that they're so complex that they're incredibly difficult to generate or replicate. In the case of the 26th century, they must be organically generated or, in the case of AI, mapped out from an organic entity's physical neural structure with incredibly powerful programs that can encode quantities of data so great that they can't ever really be analysed in a granular fashion and arrange them in the Reimann matrix format.

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Rasq
Oh, Quirel's there?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Rasq'uire'laskar ^^^ That dude

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Yeah

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Yeah, he's there. Halopedia's lit, I told you. Let me get back to my conceptualization.

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I envision the generation of a sentient AI taking, y'know. The full attention for a significant timespan of supercomputers which are ungodly even by the standards of the 26th century.

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It should theoretically possible to generate a sentient digital neural structure, but it would need to follow a process akin to the actual birth of an organic being. Presumably, this is what the Forerunners did for their ancillas.

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Sounds good so far.

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Oddly never said how forerunners crafted ancilla but yea makes sense

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:33 AM

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The benefit of creating sentience is that you have the tactical ability to create a program that will act in a way that is not dictated by physics. Basically, you know the notion that free will is a lie, and everything we do or say is cause and effect? Sentience is, in this conceptualization, functionally, a quantum phenomena that allows effect without cause, making sentient creatures and sentient intelligences far more tactically versatile and difficult to anticipate than any tactical program.

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That's why Promethean Knights are so deadly, and why the Composer had to be used to make them.

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That's why fully-automated combat vehicles and drones are tactically very niche in Halo. Sentience represents an enormous capability gap.

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:36 AM

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I like it

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:36 AM

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Thanks

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:36 AM

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Works for me

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Where would Dumb AI fall on this sorta thing?

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Almost a pity now that I think on it that the knights were used as kamikaze pilots rather than proper soldiers

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Dumb AI are just programs

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Very advanced programs

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Wouldn't dumb AI just be vastly advanced programs? Look at what Japan does today and it doesnt seem a stretch that in 500 years they can mimic humans almost perfectly

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:39 AM

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But, like all non-sentient intelligences, they are susceptible to sudden, unexpected, catastrophic tactical failure points.

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Fair enough

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Mhm

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Guys I died in Halo 2. Dose that mean Halo is cancelled?

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Yeah

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:39 AM

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An inability to recognize a new threat or obstacle and adapt to it in an efficient way.

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Way to go

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Now, obviously these programs can learn through trial and error and extrapolate from data

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But there must always be cause and effect

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Whereas sentience is just effect

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Total potential unpredictability

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Righteo

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:41 AM

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Quite an optimistic viewpoint, if I do say so myself.

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Why do we only get the good, deep lore talk at this.late hour

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:42 AM

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lol

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:42 AM

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The other day it was souls, today AI

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In the morning? "What does chief eat?"

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sigh

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:43 AM

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I finally finished being triggered at Halo's gun lore for the day and decided to think about something else, I guess

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:43 AM

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😏

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Also the amount of vapid individuals diminished somewhat

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:43 AM

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😆

fair hazel Feb 5, 2020, 6:43 AM

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What does Japan do?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Leaving only you lads

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Solid Sangheili lads

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Wort wort

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@fair hazelwe were talking about AI and sentience

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You know come to think of it

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When it comes to sentience

fair hazel Feb 5, 2020, 6:46 AM

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I don’t see what Japan does specially about that. Well not of the top of my mind

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Japan itself doesn't matter. He's just talking about advances in tech

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:47 AM

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They have the freaky robot girls

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How you say

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"Hatsune Miku"

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:47 AM

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How can that be reconciled with the flood? An infected host maintains their mind/sense of self while part of the flood. Get enough hosts together, these separate mind connected through the hive mind and yet are always subservient to the awakening gravemind intelligence

fair hazel Feb 5, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Canny valley robot shells don’t mean they have this cutting edge on se tienne.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:47 AM

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thinkingchief

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Good question

fair hazel Feb 5, 2020, 6:47 AM

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That’s a vocaloid thing. Nothing about sentience there.

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:48 AM

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What I mean is

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Do all hosts retain sentience, or just Jenkins and those integrated into a Proto Gravemind as they're being probed for knowledge?

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:48 AM

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How ever time, trillions of minds cant overwhelm the gravemind

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Well, after Keyes' mind was scanned, he seemed to be killed again.

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Presumably that was him dying, and his neural structure being integrated into the larger keymind brain

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Extra processing power

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:49 AM

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nd his neural structure being integrated into the larger keymind brain
Poor him

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Well the 3rd forerunner book stated, it at least implied individuals were still aware in the flood

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:50 AM

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Hm.

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:50 AM

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If you wipe away their sense of self

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:50 AM

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So maybe Jenkins' experience wasn't that unique.

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:50 AM

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Why the whole eternal torture bit

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It wasn't

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Halo wars 2 says the same

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Flood cant feel pain, but the host can

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:50 AM

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Terrifying.

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:51 AM

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And that death may not save their minds from the flood

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Etc etc

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So thus my original question, how can so i many trillions of minds be trapped as flood slaves

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:53 AM

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I would assume it's simply the power of the precursors/Gravemind

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:53 AM

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I don't even feel like the proper way to ask the Question Either

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That is a good point. We were told in warfleet that the precursors pre flood were of "one mind" and yet we see precursors doing different things. Some became powder, others went into hibernation, and yet others purely fled

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Some became powder, others went into hibernation
Wouldn't those two be the same thing?

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:55 AM

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No

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Oh

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Was implied to be different

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Well, of one mind could mean they retain individual sentience but can commune

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In a telepathic manner similar to the means Keyminds exert control over the Flood, one should think

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Was implied to be different```
Oh, do you have the quote, by the way?

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:01 AM

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I think it was in silentium or crytpum let me check

abstract venture Feb 5, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Jenkins was a one time thing

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It was cause his flood infection form was thousands of years old so it couldn't completely take over his conscious

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Crud it's in the 2nd book

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Jenkins was not that unique of a case really

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 7:06 AM

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The unique thing about Jenkins seems to be that he was able to fight for control

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 7:06 AM

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The only reference to "hibernation" I found in #2 was:
And it was Yprin who had excavated that planetoid, found the Primordial preserved in viscous hibernation in an ancient capsule — barely alive even in the sense in which it lives.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 7:06 AM

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Others aren't so lucky

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Hm, I remember it was the primordial telling a forerunner

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Let me double check silentium, may have been the gravemind talking with catalog

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 7:08 AM

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There's this:


Another sifting shuffle.

“Or are you after all only an imitation of a Precursor, a puppet —a reanimated corpse? Are all the Precursors gone—or is it that the Flood will make new Precursors?”

“Those who created you were defied and hunted,” the Captive said. “Most were extinguished. A few fled beyond your reach. Creation continued.”```

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Well there are the ones who fled at least

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Sissies

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Precursors have like

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A bunch of arms

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That's a bunch of MA5s they could simultaneously operate

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Why run

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Because they are using primitive assault rifles when they should be using glorious plasma rifles

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 7:12 AM

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The thing about assault rifles

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Is a little phenomenon we like to call

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Found it

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Tumbling brass energy

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 7:13 AM

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What if all the arms instead used M6Ds

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Inferior

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M6Ds just go

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Crack! Crack! Crack!

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Or rather

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Blam! Blam! Blam!

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They don't have that

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:14 AM

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"A few went dormant. Others became dust that could regenerate our past forms"

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Brakkabrakkabrakkabrakkabrakka glory

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Ah

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Talking to the catalog

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Reading over this book again makes me feel bad for Bornsteller

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He had to kill his flood infected family

gilded mason Feb 5, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Fun times

terse lava Feb 5, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Indeed, "I never saw my family again..alive and free."

hasty pond Feb 5, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Hey guys I'm a bit new to halo but can anyone tell be what happened to the rest of blue team during halo games

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 11:04 AM

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@hasty pond During CE Fred and Kelly where under the surface of Reach with Dr Halsey while Linda was essentially dead on the autumn, after CE chief swings by reach, grabs them up and Halsey uses 26th century magic science to heal Linda and subsequently kidnaps an unconscious kelly and takes her to a shield world the unsc had colonized called onyx, chief, Fred and Linda, end up back on earth and we all know where John ends up going shortly after the sith hits the fan, meanwhile Fred and Linda continue the battle on earth, but are soon sent to onyx and get trapped in a sort of pocket dimension the forerunners utilized to store a Dyson sphere where they spent a few days, before being rescued and told that during their perceived few days, 3 months had passed and John had basically ended the war.

hasty pond Feb 5, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Thanks man I was a bit confused

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Np actually had to double check a lot to make sure that was correct lol

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 11:21 AM

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So does anyone remember any mention as to why The Createds Knights are much beefier and more powerful than The Didacts original Promethean Knights other than gameplay or did she canonically upgraded them?

safe siren Feb 5, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Osiris said that they were a different type

bright briar Feb 5, 2020, 11:49 AM

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"The new kind, too. Just like they reported on (place that I can't remember how to spell)." As Tanaka says.

jade axle Feb 5, 2020, 12:19 PM

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I think most of the Didact's Knights were either created in a hurry or were leftover 'human' Knights from the Forerunner-Flood war. Cortana has had a while to prepare and test the new ones and select a good base species. I think she can also input AI into them rather than using the base animal's intelligence.

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 12:32 PM

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I never thought of that. Not only is cortana offering immortality she’s also offering corporeal form. I’d take that offer.

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We saw that Chakaspark could inhabit an armiger so other AI could surely.

jade axle Feb 5, 2020, 1:03 PM

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It would make sense. Also, (smart) AI would probably be more efficient than organic beings.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:10 PM

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Modding Reach is fun, cuz you get all of the planned story aspects that never happened or were changed

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Like the fact that Grey Team was among the lone wolf bodies :)))))

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somehow

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but yeah the armor permutations in reach are all named after the spartan 2 or 3 who wore them or was supposed to wear them

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in the files

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adrianna, anton, carter, default (noble 6), emile, fred, jun, kat, malcom, issac, jai, john, jorge, joshua, kelly, kurt, linda, nicole, sam, vinh, rosenda

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all the internal names of armor customization options -skull

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Once I'm at home I can try to figure out which armor sets refer to which spartan name

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so we can have a canon armor look for all those spartans

sharp adder Feb 5, 2020, 1:27 PM

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I hope you see a cortana vs Roland if she tries to gain control of infinity because he is staying with the unsc plus he is my 2nd favourite Ai Cortana is still my fav even though she was corrupted by gravmind 😭😭😭

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Not gonna lie some of those names in there were RAW

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the idea that reach was gonna be a playable version of Fall of Reach at one point is super imteresting

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Im glad they went with new characters but I'dve loved to see a halo 2 style back and forth story.

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AND GREY TEAM WAS GONNA BE IN REACH

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:34 PM

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We don’t know that, I’m pretty sure those where Easter eggs, bungie was actually not a big fan of FoR or the EU in general so the idea that they were ever gonna make the game an adaptation of the book strikes me as off.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:34 PM

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they're not eastereggs, theres a lot of cut content in here

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files with old names

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Anything, like, substantial tho? Because a bunch of names in a file is definitely something I’d file under Easter egg

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Like in Halo 2s code there was an employee mooning the camera.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:36 PM

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theres entire vehicle classes that are fully functional that have never been used in any halo game

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:37 PM

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I believe that, but what leads to the conclusion that they planned to adapt the book?

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Especially considering grey team wasn’t anywhere near reach during the fall, but I think that detail may have come out during 343 era so 🤷‍♂️

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:38 PM

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yeah tht detail was a 343 thing

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and i didnt mean to imply a full adaptation

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Man we need more Grey team.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:40 PM

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just that theres a lot of stuff in here, that they were planning on doing something much much larger

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:40 PM

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I wonder how much of that was willing choice and how much was MS rushing them.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:41 PM

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The boat vehicle class is fully functioning, but no boat model to use it

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Dude, grey team was planing to do alone what entire fleets would do, just pop in screw up a planet and move on.

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I love them

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Forge world could use a boat in that little cove, I’d have liked that

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:42 PM

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the mantis is in there

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no model

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Really? That’s interesting

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:42 PM

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the revenant was supposed to be something very different

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but all the animations were tacked on as ghost last minute

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:43 PM

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The revenant always seemed like a specter and a wraith made a baby.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:43 PM

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theres an entire revenant class

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Like warthog style variants?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:43 PM

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no

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like

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:43 PM

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So like, actual full vehicle type

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:43 PM

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yes

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Wth

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I need answers

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Bring me Frankie

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:44 PM

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Theres a vehicle type named Wolverine

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no uses

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:44 PM

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Like the HW thing?

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That’d be dope

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:44 PM

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yeah

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theres a weapon type called wolverine quad

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~~and scarab gun~~

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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I hope modders can put some models to these things.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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this stuff was all uncovered in yesterdays update btw

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this is alll new

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the update for assembly

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the thing that decodes the blam engine

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:45 PM

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I had seen the lone wolf names but all this vehicle stuff has really peaked my interest as to the game they wanted to make.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:46 PM

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theres probably thousands of things hidden tht we havent found.

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Oh and dont get me started on theequipment

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:46 PM

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I was actually just thinking, I wonder if there were cut AA or something.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:47 PM

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its still in there

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Oh like anti air vehicles? I meant Armor Abilities lol

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:47 PM

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the covenant AA gun, the paris class frigates, and the pillar of autumn all have anti air guns

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oh thers lots of cut armor abilities

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lots

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1000% functioning

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:48 PM

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That implies some fun cut level concepts

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Oh really? Dude, I’m excited for the community to go mad with this

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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theres also a vehicle class uncovered yesterday called guardian class

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specifically for fleet entities

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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I can’t imagine that’s actually the Guardians right? And excuse me, Fleet entities? What’s that about?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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like

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frigates

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and other fleet stuff

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Non skybox fleet battles?

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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yes

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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gasping

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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theres lots of cut space battle stuff

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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What could have been...

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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for armor abilities, oh you are gonna explode

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i know the modding discord im in did last night after the update

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Ever since that one missio I’ve wanted space battles, turns out bungie did too

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The AAs are the most interesting prospect for me rn, if they all work and there are a lot, I can’t even imagine.

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:52 PM

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shoot cant post images

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okay

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So theres super jump- obvious test for destiny jumping

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special weapon- Long cooldown, spawns a weapon of choice. probably target desagnator tbh.

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Health pack- hold down, takes energy until health is full again.

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Ammo Pack- Same thing as health but ammo

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Now for the fun

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Oh

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:56 PM

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IWHBYD- Its a placeholder name for an equipment type that allows you to spawn AI.

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Fuuuuuuuu

humble yacht Feb 5, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Hey y’all, this is a lore chat

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:56 PM

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sorry

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got carried away

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:56 PM

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You right, DM me my man I’m hooked

versed helm Feb 5, 2020, 1:56 PM

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ot started as one

lavish vapor Feb 5, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Once upon a time

abstract venture Feb 5, 2020, 2:57 PM

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do you jave any more info on the cut space battle stuff?

torpid flare Feb 5, 2020, 2:59 PM

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which is better, doomguy or mater chef