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I mean dude
since their concept of the soul is based around, well, higher-dimensional space permeating all that is, becoming so low in density to manifest the physical realm
it does have a scientific explanation
web
or at least, model
Use more understandable phrasing
I've got literally no idea what you just said
And it's unlikely to be that complex given the pseudo-scientific nature of the notion
What does density have to do with the soul
think of the "panpsychism" philosophy followed as a rule of thumb for the Precursors, The Forerunners and "The Domain", or even "The Force" from star wars
Right, following that.
That is the semi-"plausible" basis for neural physics
it denotes that the more purified, original state of consciousness for all beings is of a higher and higher frequency, before leading to non-physicality where all becomes essentially a homogeneous form of existence
an analogy could be, particles coming from solid, to liquid, to gas
getting higher and higher until it's not really perceivable to our physical senses (like a dog whistle)
there are many layers to this interpretation, but it can only make "sense" if there is a form of limitation, or "soul", for perception of the world around us
Well, when you put it like that, I guess it doesn't really matter.
and our physical tissue and DNA behaves as an energetic databank for consciousness, which can be expressed with certain latent abilities (which is where the "intuitive" feelings that John gets come from)
Y'know what
I think we've jumped the shark here
lol
XD'
That was quite some time back
I mean I just came to the realization that considering that we have no idea what consciousness is IRL
Heh
It doesn't really matter if Halo, like, has its own explanation for that
Yeah, well it's ought to get way overboard when you ask how souls interplay among it all
As long as it doesn't really effect the modern era in a tangible way
Not sure it would matter much
What it comes down to is that I don't really buy the notion that when an infection form burrows into a host and overcomes their nervous system
Ghost Johnson is gonna save the day from the Created in Infinite.
It's doing some crazy neural physics stuff and subverting the host's very soul
It just seems a bit whacky for Halo
We have our whackiness
it's in the Greg Bear era
It should not extend too far out of that
because it's the easiest way of sublimating their minds, through physical touch
I feel like the Flood should be xenomorph-like with a hint of Cthulu
Not like
Full-Cthulu
If you pick up what I'm putting down
Either way that's what happens to an infected host
Predominately biological processes
Though much is made on this page about "neural structures"
I think their structure/heirachy of infection should progressively become more and more nonphysical, the more they advance from their "feral" stage
My understanding is that neural physics is essentially a deeper understanding of neurological processes
Which ultimately allows you to replicate life in unconventional forms, such as creating effectively a living structure
The human method of creating smart AIs effectively bypasses that understanding with an algorithmic replication of neural structures
Are you referring to multicellular organisms? Biosynthesis?
No
Just... matter that can retain a consciousness, I guess
how would you imagine that happening?
By replicating the neural systems of a conscious being
It's like
Hm, well that can only be done from understanding what consciousness is
Well, yeah.
And I think the most basic tenet of neural physics is understanding that
which can't be done by looking strictly at neurology
Well
The whole "neural" bit seems to disagree with you there
In the context of Halo
How so
Well, "neural physics". The name would seem to imply that it is a concept which relates to the physics of neurology.
Of course it's origin is revolved around the neural nature, but it's not so much like they are physically carrying around the neruons that the body produces and studying them
Which, at a guess, probably pertain to the quantum fundamentals of consciousness?
in a way, sure
you can interpret it as that, why not
Like you'd have to get down to the real nitty gritty and explain the quantum phenomena of how inert matter can... chain itself to this nonlinear "observer" entity to create a conscious being
And that's at the core of what neural physics appears to be
Think of this: if the universe is infinite, then it's beyond the boundaries of what we call "time", "this", "that", ect. You would need something as a motivator to give such things definition
the nature of what's the motivator for neurons to travel around the brain in the first place is needed to understand, not the biological vehicle itself
hence "neural physics"
I think a major aspect of accepting neural physics would be viewing neurology as not fundamentally tied with biology.
mmhm
I might leave it at that lol, I don't want to blow a fuse XD
Oh, I did just get what you meant with that last one though
As in, neural entities provide a frame for the universe to exist in a comprehensible way.
Mm. The Forerunner monastery shed a little light to this concept in Retribution, how time was becoming far less understandable as Ash's experience was feeling more and more.. ubiquitous?
feeling more at one with everything around him
The end result here
For the soldier on the ground with an MA5
Is that there is brain stuff
And when the Flood get ahold of brain stuff, they get smarter
When a Halo ring fires it kills brain stuff
And when the Flood get enough brain stuff weird things begin to happen
And Precursors can also do weird things with brain stuff
But luckily they're gone
One of the things they can do is make buildings out of brain stuff
Well, yeah - as I put it before, the physical can provide a databank for their neural physics
Also
If the Flood get ahold of your brain stuff
Things gon' get freaky
And nobody can really un-frag your situation unless someone blows you out of existence or fires a Halo at you
or the synchronicity
lol
before that happens..
I suppose that's why the flood preferred to infect living entities over corpses - they harnessed an extra "mind" over simply taking a physical vessel
I've long held that the Flood's primary resource is "mind"
It stands to reason that as long as it has access to energy, the FSC could self-replicate
But what the FSC cannot replicate is "mind", which the Flood needs to get smarter, which it needs to do to spread effectively
Well.. then there are the pure forms
how they quadruple their physical mass in mere seconds
they have to be grasping a non-physical energy source, there isn't really another way
it's similar to a real-world physical analogue of firewood: you can gather the charcoal from a 2 pound block of wood, and the remains will be much lighter than what would be expected in a purely solid-gas exchange
For instance burning half a pound of wood to charcoal residue, there isn't going to be half a pound of soot, would there? I mean, that would fill up the entire room just for one block, which doesn't happen obviously
Pretty interesting topic
My assumption would be that pure forms appear to alter their mass, but are actually changing density
so, chemical transmutation?
or just stretching their bodies outwards, which sounds a little strange for making a tank form
Seems to be the most grounded conclusion.
heh.. ground
It could seem a little strange
But those ranger forms are tough
And resilience is not necessarily a property of density
Perhaps FSC can be rendered into a kind of... storage state
not always
Waiting to be used
yes, energy storage
like the forerunner DNA templates
you're understanding what I'm saying without realising lol
Well, I was more thinking that it's not the energy being stored but just the actual FSC. The FSC can take many forms - muscle, rigid plating, goo - and I felt as if one of those forms could be a substance which is designed to squeeze the most mass into the smallest possible surface area.
But your idea is probably more sensible.
Yes, well that would just raise the density
brb
Why cant we have topics like this more often
I haven't been here for a while, so I don't know what's been the heat of the news
I think that's a phrase
So I just decided to talk about the most mind-melting topic possible XD
@terse lava The thought just came to mind: What do you think.. of a Sangheili..
Wizard..?
hahaha
What do I think of the sangheili?
No. Of a Sangheili wizard
...."your wizard Ostral"
I'm a what? Sweet. Time to do some magic.
See them as more a knight and the grunts as wizards
Grunts as wizards? I don't see it. Though I do see Sangheili more as maybe Fighters.
Works for me
They shall sing your saga Ostral
nice
"And he bravely ran away. When danger rears its ugly head, he bravely turned and fled.."
"And he bravely ran away. When danger rears its ugly head, he bravely turned and fled.."```
Truly a song that exemplifies Orta.
they're pretty savy, too
Brutes are already Uruk-Hai, so no tinkering needed for that
But there being somewhat of a specialist Sangheili with robes and a sceptre, would look pretty cool
they would also breath fire
Idk about the fire part
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What an odd night
has the UNSC Airforce logo/emblem ever been shown?
I don't think so. Most of the ones on the internet are fan-made ones rather than actual canon. There are ones for the space corps and the army, but not the air force.
Hrmm.. Alrighty, was hoping that I'd have missed something :/
Are Spartans infertile from all of the augmentations?
I donāt know if theyāre infertile but I do know that their sexdrives are heavily repressed due to augmentations
Spartan IIs and possibly IIIs that is
but still, can we explain the child kidnapping thing the unsc used to do?
It was ONI who kidnaped the spartan IIs. Halsey had found that for the augmentation process to have the fullest and most desirable effect that the Spartans needed to be selected from a younger age pool due most likely to prepubescents and how it alters the body as humans get older
At least thatās what Iāve learnt and been told countless times
@wicked rampart They are not infertile. Randal had a daughter in Halo Nightfall
how do spartan use the potty?
Catheter
Built in systems
Yeah I think the suit has a renal filtration system, so they donāt even need to use the restroom - if I remember correctly
Mjolnir Mk.VII uses a catheter in the words of Naomi 010 I think
It can be assumed the same goes for the previous iterations of Mjolnir but thereās no saying really
thank
We donāt know about poopoo though
Spartans are fertile, but they have no desire to start a family, well except for Maria 062.
and Randall as Slipstream stated
Thereās no āspace corpsā huswil
so the Navy and Army have logos but is that about it?
For now
Mjolnir 7 feels like a writing oversight
only 1 character in the entire canon wears it
Only one that we know of. I didnāt see the logic in calling it a writing oversight.
feels like it doesn't exist in the rest of the canon
It does.
then why is that the only time we hear about it and it looks almost identical to MK.VB
it should be a big deal but it's not
Itās not. Itās mentioned in halo 5 and even the spartan field manual
The decimator armour is based on it.
A new generation of Armour came out.
Sometimes gear is used in a very limited capacity. Just look at the XBR55, that has only been used in Contact Harvest yet it doesn't feel like an odd choice
And that feeling youāre having seems to be a personal one.
just feels like if they had a new mjolnir model they would've upgraded more than one character that we know of to it
what? Cairo station had Mark VI armor laying around for Chief to upgrade to but not Mark VII?
Mark vii wasnāt around during halo 2
Chiefās Mark vi armor was brought to Cairo specifically for Chief
it was a prototype but so was 6 at that point
The Mark VI wasn't a prototype
If I recall, all of the members of Blue Team that made it back to Earth were given Mark VI
Plus, we already know what prototype Mark VI was, it was Mjolnir BLACK, which was used exclusively by Black Team (Unless there was someone else who used Mjolnir BLACK)
isn't it cited as prototype in Reach
The helmet seen in Reach is a prototype, not the suit Chief wears in Halo 2 to Halo 4
is the Mark VI in reach Mjolnir BLACK?
Mjolnir BLACK was used from at least the summer of 2552. Halo Reach takes place in August to September of 2552
July as well
I mean you know how it is
You're fielding testing Mark V
Might as well simultaneously test Mark VI
Honestly, the only thing you can say for sure about MJOLNIR is that it's contrived
That's what you should tell people when they ask about it
The development of MJOLNIR is canonically convoluted, contrived and complicated.
Mark IV only became a title because ONI got sick of Halsey's nonsense and tried to reign in it. But it didn't help.
Sounds like Halsey just created a bunch of designs of varying quality and durability at the outset and their nomenclatures were mostly retroactive
like Mark V, VI, and perhaps even VII were all more or less created simultaneously
their numbered naming structure coming later
Mark V, VI and VII weren't all created simultaneously
Hm?
Shame shame @hasty locust
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helmet description in Reach
"feedback from this version will be factored into the final design" or something like that
it's in armor customization just boot up Reach
I can confirm this as truth juice
It's specifically referring to the helmet shown in Reach, not all Mark VI armour that we see
I said the Mark VI helmet is stated to be a prototype in Reach
maybe there is a final version already existing I mean there sonly like 3 months between Reach and Halo 2
but the one Noble 6 can wear is only a prototype thats rigged to run with his Mark V armor
shrugs
I've never heard that one way or another
I mean half the helmets in Reach are Mark IV variants (grenadier, CQC)
so uhh yeah maybe
Grenadier is 100% stated to be a MK.IV variant in the aforemention armor descriptions
and CQB was designed as an evolution of CQC for Mark V
which kinda indirectly implied CQC was designed prior to Mark V
because MK.V circa Halo Reach is like, pretty brand-new
Closer to the end of its lifecycle than the beginning, actually.
and also they only specify that it was designed for MK.V as a feature for the updated CQB
It got issued first in 2551
https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Mjolnir_Powered_Assault_Armor/Mark_IV this also says EVA was a Mark IV. variant
I didn't know that one but makes sense
one of the first things you'd want to perfect in a war against the covenant is space combat design
And Blue Team was wearing MK V during that
Nah
I'd imagine EVA was one of the very first helmets actually
Summa deep space incident was probably toward the beginning of the war
Security armor is weird imo because why would you even want a spartan team to run security
maybe it was an upscaling of an existing design
I mean I know it's a marathon reference
but in-canon why tho
Maybe they just feel extra safe
were private spartans a thing
Flood sites too
were private spartans a thing
Post-war, yeah. Corporations have their own, or something
Somehow I just find that funny
I get weak in the knees for CQC armor tho
those sheild shoulders ā¤ļø
well I normally only wear one
yeah but they can't run security armor like in reach
It's likely random what number they got
Incorporation perhaps
it's a serial number right
Likly just given the number for cataloging purposes
Btw, besides the ark portal, are we led to believe there was something forerunner related in the chicxulub crater?
Yep, it is near a gas giant which would attract such things
what year did the race war happen in Halo?
There've been many race wars.
I love rocketrace
race war like people from earth fighting people from mars?
or the alien vs human kind of thing?
Trying to remember, the forerunners believed when they died, their minds would transcend into the domain correct? Was it ever shown a fully aware forerunner mind was in the domain was it only "echos" of them?
Trying to remember, the forerunners believed when they died, their minds would transcend into the domain correct?
Their armor ancilla would try to do it
I thought the ancilla only preserved the most recent part of the mind, not the entire thing
Kind of sucks that they aren't gonna do anything with that crashed ship from the CEA terminals
It was only a plot point for Guilty
True
They could also be leaving it vague to use it later...though been 9 years
True but it still bothers me
I thought the ancilla only preserved the most recent part of the mind, not the entire thing```
I'm going off what Warfleet says about an 'essense':
```Digital archive of a thinking mind. Each Forerunner's personal ancilla attempted to collect this at the moment of death for storage in the Domain. The Composer and similar devices could also create essences of varying quality and stability.```
...how did I not notice that
Then what about that unknown race that sent a signal that Spark found just as the array was firing
That's just something to show that the Halos were horrible
Agreed
Yeah. Never indexed. So they'll never return
Makes you wonder how many alien races were utterly oblivious of the flood war
Yeah
Yep
Yes...?
In halo I mean
Yes...?
I think he means with the introduction of geas
It's possible that countless races got screwed over by the Forerunners other than humanity and the san'shyuum
Like didnāt the precursors create for example, humans, not apes that became humans
Well we know many were wipes out before the war with humanity
It seems to be implies that precursors either uplifted existing races, or crafted them and let them so their own thing
So did the Precursors create the Covenant races as well?
Probably did
Which makes me wonder,how do the Precursors test which races are worthy of the Mantle?,like what is the criteria?
Who knows
And i probably butchered the grammar of that sentence
All good
So what other Forerunners cared around humanity other than the Librarian and Bornstellar?
Lifeworkers
Warrior servants directly after the war with humanity. Felt wiping them out too severe
So that wolf-faced planet that we see in Primordium,will we ever visit it again?
Doubt it
Where in the galaxy is that planet?
Think it was implied near the galactic edge
What about that planetoid that Yprin and her team discovered the Primordial?
Wait,who even placed the Primoridial in that planetoid?
Likely ancient forerunners
What is the difference between primordials and precursors
Primordial is one singular dood I thought
He was
Yeah wasnāt he like the last one or something
Primordial was just one of two names forerunners and ancient humans gave the being, the other being Timless One
Yes
Ah I see
Didnāt the primordial brain stuff become the gravemind?
His mind was transferred to the largest gravemind yes
And all the graveminds have the same memory and brain stuff, right?
Yes
So the gravemind in 3 is sort of the primordial in a sense
It is the primordial
So was the primordial killed with the firing of the halo rings
Nope
Wait so did it ever die
Ok
Yep
Nice Obama prism.
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Forerunner precursor war
Wouldn't help much
I think he has a series on that history or something
Reading is the best way to learn
shrug
What?
I am simply saying hidden wouldn't be able to add much detail on the precursor forerunner war
Wonder if the covenant encountered other races who worshipped the forerunners
Today someone asked me a question that... I have no real idea how to answer so I'll extend it to you guys
"Do you think a Spartan-II could pilot a Jaeger from Pacific Rim solo?"
- In case you didn't watch Pacific Rim. The Jaeger's use a two pilot control system since one pilot cannot handle the neural load that the Jaeger's system puts on the brain
There's no way to answer that.
A rather odd question
I have rather odd friends
I guess if you wanted to make it so they could
You could say that their neural interfaces are sufficiently advanced to bypass the technicalities of the Pacific Rim universe
That's really the best I can think too
- same but honestly I don't even get how the Pacific rim universe has that tech -
A forerunner warrior servant easily could, but someone like the chief? I don't know
What are the limits of the human mind is the question basically.
Since it's been shown solo piloting a Jaeger is only possible for short times without permanent damage or death
Cant really answer that here with the two different universes. One had humans needing partners for a mech, the other has a race that has god-like powers
So is
Halsey supposed to be a bad guy in Spartan Ops? Because I found myself agreeing with her. They didn't tell her jackshit and still expected her to fix whatever was going on
Halsey supposed to be a bad guy in Spartan Ops?
Not really
Spartan Ops sorta transcended protagonists and antagonists
Yeah
"You were supposed to fix this when you got onboard" Well I suppose she could've done a bit better if you'd told her what the hell she was even supposed to DO
It was just a general POV of a morally ambiguous event
I know this is probably gonna sound like a broken record but my god
Palmer was insufferable
in Spartan Ops
heres a fun topic
Will Locke be in infinite Y/N
his name is pretty poison in the fanbase
so I lean hard on no
Mmmmmmm
I mean
They can't just
cut him out
Unless they kill him
Or they say he's in another part of the galaxy
Could have him die by Cortana's hands
Maybe
I really want to see him and Chief become more friendly. It looked like they were getting a bit of camaraderie before Chief was taken and when he rescued them
Late but, honestly all of Osiris team could be killed of screen and Iād only be upset that bucks not alive anymore but letās be honest, buck died with the line āI figure if god can hear how afraid I am so can everyone elseā
How does that line "kill" Buck?
Itās nonsensical, stupid, and completely destroys any illusion that this is the smooth ODST we survived new Mombasa with.
It may be Castles voice and face but thats not my helljumper
Itās like someone wanted to have buck say āIām not afraid of anythingā but had to try and sound badass and it just fell on its face
He didn't exactly seem to be the "smoothest" in ODST. Not to mention, quite a few years had passed between ODST and 5. People change over the years, he had one of his closest friends betray him, lost another and two more retired between ODST and 5
The line he said doesn't imply he isn't afraid of anything, it's him saying that he does have worries internally, but he isn't externalising them as they would get in the way of completing the mission
Thatās the exact opposite of what he said. If god knows his level of fear (which an omnipotent being would), and so can everyone else, that means he is in fact externalizing it, because everyone else ācan hear itā
The implication being that since he doesnāt say it for them to hear, he isnāt.
You're missing the fact he used the words "if" and "so can everyone". If a god could hear his fear, that would mean everyone else could too. Clearly, they can't as he doesn't come off as scared in how he delivers the line
He's internalising his fear, which, like what I said earlier, if he externalising it, could get in the way of completing the mission they were on. Going after a VIP like Halsey isn't like a standard Spartan Op. She quite literally next to Jul 'Mdama, the head of a Covenant splinter group that had caused allot of issues for the UNSC. Messing up an op like that would be far worse than other ops
No. He is not internalizing it. The word āIfā does not change the fact that Buck has put everyones knowledge of how scared he is on par with a being that knows everything. The team knows if he is scared, which as you stated he is not displaying any signs of. He is literally saying, āIām not hiding how I feel from everyoneā
Do you see this? The fact that I have to explain the line at all is exactly why itās moronic.
The line was meant to instill a sense of confidence about him and his team, exemplified by how in the following cutscene him and Osiris cut through an entire army of Jul and Promethean forces like a hot knife through butter, it was effortless for them.
Idk i kinda liked Locke
I hope they donāt just write off that whole story line. He waxed Jul āMdama in like a second, dude is a beast
I enjoyed him in nightfall, as convoluted as it was.
Plus Mike Colter is just a cool dude
Jul dying in a second really just upsets me, like this guy is the new big bad of the covenant, and he died in a poorly choreographed cutscene. Imagine if instead of 100 identical boss battles we got one unique one thrown in where we take down Jul.
Poor Sangheili, itās unfortunate that someone tied invisible weights to all their limbs.
Or because Locke is epic gamer guy
Why did they turn elites into brutes 2.0? I miss the sleek agile sangheili.
The Elites aren't Brutes
Theyāre bulky* and awkward, have deeper voices than most brutes, and donāt seem nearly as honor bound in the 343 lore. Sangheili were distinct from the jiralhane in that they were an agile, more graceful, regal even counterpart to the savage literal brutishness of the brutes. Now the elites are just reptilian brutes.
With less eating their allies.
A main reason I would say is that
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Not all sangheili are properly honor bound. We see this with Ripa in halo wars 1.
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A good chunk of Jul's guys were from a backwater colony that had been out of contact for a year.
I donāt recall any particular examples of Bungie lore that depicted Sangheili as especially honor-bound... There was a bit about Thel in The Cole Protocol but other than that I donāt think anything sticks out since Bungie material generally didnāt seem to go in depth on Sangheili.
Maybe with how Rtas behaves in Halo 2 when it comes to his troops but even then, that's just him caring about those under his command
343 lore has been covering a wider variety of Sangheili... in a more flexible post-War environment where they donāt necessarily adhere to tradition.
Aye, indeed. Honestly, seems like people forget that the Elites aren't a hivemind and are all sentient beings
I'm still pissed on how Halo 5 did Jul dirty like that
Was unfortunate
The āElites are just brutes!ā nonsense that perpetuates a lot of 343i complaints is just annoying and the furthest from the truth
Remember those creatures in the test tubes on the Halo 4 map Abandon?
@deep pewteri wouldn't say it is utter bunk at least. They do walk/run as if constantly weighted down
What about them?
My question is,what are those things?
Unknown
Probably some fauna native to the planet
Mhm best bet
Wait,where in the galaxy is Erebus VII located?
The Erebus system
343 elites have always been brutish.
from the bigger character size to the deeper voices, to the elongated appendages and mandibles and the lackluster in-game dialogue.
Especially highlighted in h5 campaign cutscenes.
I do hope they have a better art style and design for 'em in Infinite
yes, it would be great if they could have the more stealthy, slim design again
I just love sangheili
Me too bro
their just so cool
but i dont really understand why the brutes disappeared in the halo games after the bungie halos
if 343 wanted to make the elites so much like brutes, why didnt they just include both elites and brutes in their respective styles
Perhaps theyll make a grand return in Infinite as part of the Banished Faction
Atriox as a boss or sumn
actually your right, i completely forgot about halo wars brutes for a minute there
i dont play halo wars
just the main halo games
Figure its our best shot to see em again
yeah, probably
with how they ended off with halo wars 2
which i watched but didnt play
Ive watched the cutscenes but ive only ever played the main halo installments as well
Very well animated
yes
if 343 has done anything right, its graphics
although i feel like they went backwards in the quality of the cutscenes from halo 4 to 5
they looked better in 4 to me
lasky's face had such high detail
Halo 5 was a weird anomaly to everyone. Hopefully Infinite learns from 5s mistakes
yeah, hopefully.
Wait are we saying 5 didnāt have good elite cutscenes?
many anyone remember when 343 used to make those universe/lore videos that was on waypoint way back when? i miss those
I dont consider elites getting steamrolled by spartans with gymnastics expertise particularly impressive
they just let it happen man. Dont even bother fighting back
You forget that Spartans are quite literally super soldiers with enhanced reflexes
I do not
@livid widget you mean like from the ones you could find around the MCC?
im saying that the elites might as well be stationary poles
with second long reflexes that clearly arent right.
You act like every named Spartan doesnāt have an Elite kill toll in the thousands
Spartans move much faster than Elites can
yeah thanks to 343
ones like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs89cNtbamk&ab_channel=MikeQuanMouzon and ima be honest i havent owned an xbox in years so im not really sure whats on mcc and what isnt
Im not debating that a spartan can own an elite in combat
im saying that elites got hella nerfed in 343 cutscenes
Spartans have always been faster in lore, Iso-Didact
@livid widget oh, i havent seen those. yeah those are separate from what im talking about
How did Elites get nerfed?
@carmine sleet i understand but not way way faster
I think the best examples are the end cutscene for Osiris and the start cutscene for Blue Team
yeah, they are extremely hard to find anywhere these days, they were very good
but 343 made them like brutes instead of how they used to be
What's this? Talk of sangheili?
They look and act like Elites
Have you tried breathing in space, Prophet? Because the Elites in the Blue Team cutscene were sucked out into space by a breach in the station Blue Team created
Due to poor choreography, yes
good to see that the elites were fine with a stareoff and a lazy sword swing at the end
so sad
Indeed
i feel like 343 made elites become not as cool as they used to be
they are supposed to be great fighters
You can really tell a difference between who has actually read the books and who hasnāt
I think they tried to make em different. Hence why i think that 343 brutes would fit the h5 elite formula much better
infinite shouldnt be a bungie clone, hear me out
@deep pewter are you saying i havent read the books? I have to admit i have not really
Brutes wouldnāt fit any aspect of the 5 elite, and what exactly were they supposed to do when they were getting sucked into space
eh to me the arbiter , the guy who was missing one lip, and the honor guards and high councilors were the only ones that i thought were cool the rest i didn't rerally care for
Are elites canonically untrained in basic combat skills now?
is that what im missing?
Not all sangheili behave the same way, thw ones on that station were shocked. Blue team arrived as they did, and reacted too late
oh, good point
Again, try fighting when you're being sucked out into space without any way of breathing, Prophet. I can assure you it is not easy
I mean. The Sangheili we see now are all remnant forces, no longer part of the proper Covenant military.
Once again, im not saying i would singlehandedly own Blue Team if i was an elite
wait is this conversation based on what happened to that fool jul, who was way overhyped for his own good? yeah sure he should of went out a little bit better but he wasn't really a villain i found interesting in halo 4
John at 15 basically killed a high ranking silent shadow with his bare hands
i would at least make an attempt to preserve my life, unlike those other elites
@livid widgethe was built as a character in the books
Spartan ops also briefly featured him
@deep pewterwhich was utter garbage
if you evem played that terrible game mode lmao
How would you Prophet? You would be sucked out the station and into the vacuum of space
i never read the books, i typically don't like going out of games to get more intel on someone in order to care for them
I think he means that one commander @carmine sleet not the mooks
Well for one
I liked the Silent Shadow he killed, but it didnāt seem too unbelievable when it happened
@livid widgetbooks are the salt and pepper for the steak that is the game, enhances it
i would have at least one guy lookin at the window. Not like any of them were doing anything important anyways
You would expect someone to bust through a window from the vacuum?
I would expect patrols
Spartans are pretty crazy in terms of entry points
....from the void
Patrols for... what reason?
im not looking for a surprise spartan forcr
The station was deep within their own territory and sold to them by Jackal pirates
They had literally no reason to expect what happened
besides, space is pretty. Much better than staring at my strangely large hooves as i wait patiently for death
They're used to space travel and I'm pretty sure they were looking for anything useful
They def dont act like it
You are saying this from an outside perspective, they had duties to perform
If I was an alien that was formerly part of an empire that travelled the stars, I wouldn't have much reason to stare out at space if I wasn't expecting anything
for some reason i was expecting a quicker reaction time from them, though
- They are not the best of the best.
- Shock does that to you
- No reason to expect it
I get it
However, saying they are not the best of the best is surprising to be coming from a sangheili.
jk
I hate the H4/5 Design, but I cant really blame those... Things for not expecting 4 spartans to burst through the window.
Well remember, those commanders only get their ranks due to. Being vets of the war
yeah, i guess i have been too hard on 343 for some of these things
Eh I would defend them had I liked them. But honestly blue team would lose to any sangheili might from the swords, pitiful creatures that they are
Allot of people are too hard on 343i for a whole bunch of silly reasons
True but not all unwarranted
i know a lot of good reasons to be hard on them though
Some were valid criticisms...Created
Alot of H4 and 5s complaints were valid, but true, there's alot of strange complaints...
I know there's people complaining about how weapons work in MCC Reach... When they work the same as they did in original Reach... Seems like a complaint to Bungie if you ask me
true, although are you talking about how they shoot or how they sound?
Didnt they lower the bloom or something? But some weapons sound muffled.
yes exactly
How they shoot is what I mean, lowered bloom was a change they made for TU settings specifically
oh
well i agree that that is a complaint to bungie
that is probably bc people are more used to modern games
bungie's halo games are not particularly modern anymore
so people dont like the mechanics as much anymore
Or some people think its gonna be like COD, when Shroud first played Reach he was trying to kill people while he was one shot away from dying.
i havent watched shroud that much
i was DoctorDisrespect and Summit1G more
*watch
but it stinks the player count dropped a lot
i hope Halo CE does well on pc
that should be pretty fun
I dont think it will be able to hold players with its multiplayer though, I think H3 will probably see a bigger player base once it releases.
definitely. and then i wont have to depend on halo online anymore
for a multiplayer experience similar to halo 3 on pc
although i dont really play halo online anymore; the player count for that has dropped a ton
OK, well bye for now everyone! It's nice to talk with fellow halo fans every once in a while
Sorry i dipped, work break was over.
Let's say mendicant bias kept his mouth shut when humanity was found. The "reclaimer" thing never found out. Covenant leadership welcomes humanity to join, but humanity passes, preferring to keep their own. How do you think trade and interaction would be between the two civilizations?
Nervous but civil
Would the Covenant take a species not wanting to join lying down, though?
Here yes, for the sake of arguement, after being in an age of doubt they will tolerate humanity keeping their own leaders
Alrighty.
In a sense the kig-yar went the same way, never officially joined
Same goes for humanity
Fair enough
How do you think it will go then?
...I dunno.
The great journey would Never be achieved
Hm, thought it would be a better subject then the typical "would humanity join the covenant/what caste rank wouls they have" topics I have seen for years
I'm tired at the moment. š
Ah
What if the covenant Never formed?
@versed helmi simply said they lack the reclaimer status, not lose the ability to interact with forerunner tech
Ik i was kidding boi
If they never formed, the sangheili would likely have a far reaching civilization of their own, while the san shyuum a few colonies and high charity
@versed helmhard to tell at times
Would be interesting to see how humanity and a non-covenant civ would interact
Is Emile black?
He's on the cover of 343's black history month event announcement for Reach on PC
Ah apparently his voice actor is black too
I had never thought about it before I guess
i forgot carter even takes off his helmet
There's concept art of Emile in Halsey's lab which shows what they intended for Emile to look like if he had ever taken off his helmet
"cool"
And yea N6 has no face
Amusing
Or the beginning of 2
Tell that to the Covenant
Kinda proves the Emile is master chiefs brother theory is wrong
....people thought that as an actual theory? I thought it was a joke
Same back when reach came out
i think the theory was, Emile is a relative of John
Ah
born on same planet, have genes suitable for Spartans, blah blah statistics
Lol
Something I have wondered since the forerunner trilogy and books since then. Forerunner cities could last millions of years. Forerunners were capable of crafting robotic bodies to put either artificial or organic minds in. Their armor kept them alive indefinitely as far we know. Didntn they pretty much have biological immortality already?
Sounded like it
What was the human Life span during the ancient era?
Well, wasn't the whole thing about transferring consciousness ultimately a failure?
Like, they couldn't put their organic minds into an artificial body while retaining the identity of the individual.
Or at least they couldn't compose an individual and return them to a biological state.
Oh, that's right, Spark.
I guess it's just bio --> composed --> bio that was the no-go.
@versed helmat least 1000+
Your question, Ado, relates to the notion that the Librarian stated that the initial purpose the Composer technology was to grant immortality?
Yea, or at the very least forerunners sought immortality
I guess the only logical answer is that, while the Forerunners had a functionality mortal span of tens of thousands of years, eventually some form of fundamental degradation will occur that composition could prevent.
Yet its implied they could live for 1 million years
A million years is nothing next to a billion, and a billion is literally nothing next to eternity.
Oh of course
That's probably the angle they were coming at it from.
Perhaps, could be also that they had almost true immortality, butbeven withb the tech their minds could only handle so many eons
Right.
They weren apparently able to live natural lives of centuries at least without armor
That's their crazy biological engineering going on
Semi-natural then
At this point did forerunners just make their kids with tech and not the uh.... natural way
mabey who knows apet from thosw who know
Silentium tells us they do reproduce....in a different way then ancient forerunners
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Likely but they may be limited by the mantle
In The Expanse there's genetic technology which allows two women to have a child grown from both of their genetic profiles
And The Expanse is really grounded
So the Forerunners can probably just like... do that
Also the protagonist of The Expanse has like eight biological parents and was carried in one of them
But who would want to
Takes all kinds
Well we k ow female forerunners birthrate is rather far between too
Various genetics mixed together I guess
But like why would 8 people come together and say, we want a kid
'Cause they wanna
Because THE FUTURE!
I guess
It was for legal reasons in The Expanse
Oh
Iām very disturbed, can someone summarize this? I just walked in and wish I didnāt.
Ah
@jolly saddleforerunner reproduction
Haha, what?
Well we were talking about how forerunners could live forever in their suits, then I asked if everyone was just in a suit how do they..... uh..... mate?
Why? Good question, but why?
Because its lore
Another question on the subject, if elites lay eggs, are they like chickens where if they have enough nutrients they could lay a unfertilised egg, and next question would they scramble said egg?
I dont think so
Dang
Covenant Omelette
As the closest thing to a sangheili are reptiles, they rarely lay unfertilized eggs
Yes. Add a bit of salt and green onion, and viƵla!
Polygamy was also an accepted practice, at least among the higher rates, as demonstrated by Master Builder Faber having many wives.[109] At certain points in their lives, females would enter a "millennial interim", a period when they would not bear children.[110]
All I've been able to find on Halopedia
Fabreās a playa
Well obviously...
Up in the air
Iād rather not type forerunner reproduction XD
Iām so confused, but also dying, lmao.
XD
Well I had a pet basilisk lizard that couldnāt stop laying unfertilised eggs
So itās probably possible
Some reptiles do
basilisk omelette
The eggs are like the size of those Carberry? Mini egg chocolate things
I think grunts lay eggs right?
Hmm
Huh, interesting. Never knew that. I think Unggoy are asexual right?
No
Nein
Ye
Yep and females rule the homeworld
WAIT! How the heck are baby prophets made if they canāt get out of their chairs
R they like dathomirians
Kinda reminds me of wall-e
They can get out of their chairs and walk like old penguins
I want answers. No, I need answers. How do prophets bang?
Well
š³
They intertwine necks
Oh god, Iām actually crying laughing.
I mean
The female will nibble the lobes
When a mommy prophet and a daddy prophet HAVE UNDYING FAITH IN THE GREAT JOURNEY
This is all from broken circle btw
Are you serious, looters
That book too
Staten is responsible for like 50% of alll Halo lewdity
I donāt remember that
And these two write what books?
I want to hear the prophet of truth talk seductively rn. That would make my day.
Staten wrote Contact Harvest
Which has the Johnson uh, adult scene
And also Shadow of Intent
@jolly saddlehe had concubines
And he was also the dude who did the Halo CE and Halo 2 cutscenes
he was like a proper Bungie story director
And uh, Denning's done Last Light, Retribution, Silent Storm and Oblivion
And a short story
Retribution's his one, where a Forerunner AI spies on a fraternizing UNSC officer to basically blackmail him
Kinky
Implied threesome
You know these authors off the top of your head?
I mean
Amazing
Very awesome
I didnāt know you were a halopedia guy
just imagine that forerunner bargingnin going, "UNACCAEPTABLE, ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE"
@terse lava talking seductively āCome here my mistress, I have to inform you of the great journey we are about to take part in.ā
...
^then that happens
By the rings this is too much
Well we already know elites donāt have ahem reproductive organs, at least not external ones
Man, have I got the subculture for you
Just look at the opening for H2
So, like male frogs, how their testicles are located somewhere inside of them?
@gilded mason
Yea
Like most modern lizard their reproductive organs probably "eject" out of their crotch
Mhm
"eject"
Lovely word
It implies an abrupt suddenness to it all
Indeed
Perhaps accompanied by a comedic "doing" sound effect
A meatier doing š
Imagine if Grim dropped by now
XD

...this better not devolve into a covenant "40 shades of purple"
Oh no. This is like getting āThe talkā all over again.
ONO IT'S A MOD
Okay I think it's time for the conversation to head somewhere else..
SCRAM!
hit the deck
Better

Just read ā40 shades of purpleā, and I think I just woke up my dog
To the voice chat!
Then they must love the smell of pervert
I donāt think Iāve ever laughed this hard at a discord conversation
And fresh elite $@&ā
The smell of crotch organs to be specific š
Anyway...if you luved in the forerunner era, which civilization which you want to live in?
I think I'd probably like to be a Forerunner
Getting eaten by the Flood is a small price to pay for tens of thousands of years of just
Chillin in space utopia
With 100+ wives, if you know what I mean
A Jedi?
Shoot youāre right
Ngl I could vibe with it
okay lets stop
How would an elite omelette taste? Somewhat like a chickenās?
We switched, didnāt we
.....ugh
Yeah
Does anyone else like Melody a lot? from Halo: Envoy?
XD
i like her, what she believes in, what she does
i guess to me shes one of the characters that stuck with em
Would a grunt egg be rubbery?
...
No
.....
Sorry for all the multi messages, my internet isnāt doing to well
Its gucci boi
How would a flood omelette taste? Like pop a couple and throw them into a pan?
Probably rotten
It would taste like your body mutating
Followed by eternal torment
Until such time as your infected carcass was blown away
Lost in their amazing flavor.
What would linguini pasta with lekgolo worms taste like?
I bet that thereās a pasta made of grunt eggs and that covenant wheat/grain
Yes
Jiralhanae probably know all of these answers
If I could some how travel into a fictional World
Covies ān cheese
Ooh
Why'd ya tag me, Looty.
Some r34 material
Was for a sangheili topic earlier
Ah
Covies. Duck! Autocorrect
If you could hop into the halo universe at any time would race would you wanna be and at what time?
If you could hop into the halo universe at any time would race would you wanna be and at what time?
I guess post-Created as a Sangheili
sigh
A human in 2603
Hm...maybe a original covenant sangheili
@gilded masonbut you miss out on high charity
Very true
Do Jiralhanae bathe
Yes
Bathe in the blood of their enemies.
Maybe
So...Height of Covenant, but make sure to avoid any fighting and get the hell outta dodge before the Delta Halo stuff
Sounds good
So like 2300-2400 sangheli?
And would you opt in for the premium know your past memories package for 10 years cut off your life?
Hey now, what's the point of going if I don't have my memories?
XD
So like 2300-2400 sangheli?
Also, nah. I wanna survive to post-war.
You'd be a 200 year old squid boi, just like another squid head from a certain book
Hmm
To be honest we are never told when the height of the covenant was
So just a bit before human covenant war but on a far away outpost
Is any of halo legends canon, I watched it, and was very confused at all of the martial-artsy stuff.
Is any of halo legends canon, I watched it, and was very confused at all of the martial-artsy stuff.```
Events, not visuals
Yep
I like to think itās not
Except for Odd One Odd, which is completely non-canon
Id like to see a Covie POV book that takes place before the Halo games, the book would focuse on the Covies war against another alien empire, idk if that sound ridicoulos or not but Hey, id like to see a covie POV someday.
That would be cool
@hasty locust same, I think they took too much creative liberty on it.
Game would be better though
"Events not visuals" might be the rule for everything that's not the most recent sources.
Sure seems like it sometimes. š
Iād love to see a game or book from a civilianās perspective.
@versed helmš
Battle Born. If you like YA.
Will pass on that
Whatās YA stand for? (Sorry)
Halo's best mix of Young Adult and gritty military action is Ghosts of Onyx IMO.
Would a book from a flood formās perspective be just gargling and wet noises?
Ghosts of Onyx is YA?
I think there may be some confusion as to the term YA here
YA refers to the intended audience more than it does the characters
@jolly saddlethey did that already, 2 page long story on a flood infection form
Though there is some overlap
I mean, Ghosts of Onyx just has so much lore. The Fall of Reach is still my personal favorite novel, but dang, GoO is great. Also I'm using the term very loosely.
Why are you even using the term
Really? Never knew that. Where can I read this?
At the end of āthe floodā there is an infection form bit
Mm, thanks!
Yep
Because the Spartan-IIIs are young adults by the end of the book.
Itās the confusing part thatās like HUNGER LOVE FOOD HUNGER FIGHT HUNGER
Not much really
Yeah but the book is clearly intended for mature audiences
Jump. Texture.
So like
Yea just "hunger,food, free" etc
Stahp
Yep
I would write it all down here but thatās probably spam
Recently bought the flood on eBay. Iāll be sure to skip forwards and read that bit.
Itās after the book
Read the whole thing in sequence you madman
Like if youāve ever read TFOR and thereās those ONI documents at the end
Heretical filth, read it properly
I just read the ending of the fall of reach. Oh wait...
The Great Journey has ended for you...
Iāve got the whole halo book collection on my kindle
Iām slowly piece-ing mine together. Any good suggestions on where to buy?
Amazon
Imma go check that out.
Is the master chief Easter egg in reach legendary exclusive




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