That doesn't retcon the covenant also being in the rest of the galaxy```
This is the Warfleet quote. Outside of small pockets of limited use, they were only really in the Orion Arm.
```The Milky Way galaxy is vast, with hundreds of billions of stars separated by incomprehensible distances and tangled slipspace routes. Limited resources and other distractions mean that only a few thousand star systems in the Orion Arm have been explored in detail by humanity and the Covenant. The state of the wider galaxy is a mystery except for small islands of knowledge recovered from Forerunner vaults or through special pioneer missions.```#lore-and-universe
gilded mason
deep pewter
Exploring other galaxies using Forerunner tech when
gilded mason
Feels a bit too "grand" for me
versed helm
i hope we get to fight meddlers someday 👁️ 👄 👁️
versed helm
Needle Rifle, Plasma Rifle or Energy Sword
gilded mason
Hm. Plasma Launcher can be nice when it works well
versed helm
those three are gucci
terse lava
Plasma rifle for life
terse lava
@gilded masoni will take it even as a water gun
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
@versed helmheresy
versed helm
i like to play as an elite while using brute weapons
gilded mason
I bet it gives you a sick thrill...
versed helm
it does when i smash someone with a gravity hammer
vietnam flashbacks to the first time killing that brute chieftain on sierra 117 and taking his hammer
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
"Crack open the shell, I want to examine the meat"
versed helm
"HE WAS MY LOVER!!!!!"
i do miss the flight armor from H3
if elites are playable in Infinite i hope they bring it back
it was fun unlocking it too
terse lava
Steppen razor for asteic
versed helm
Honor Guard armor is the one i dream of though
even if bits of it stick out i wouldnt mind as long as i got to wear that beauty
terse lava
Or for limited edition, arbiter armor
versed helm
How would you properly make a political map of the Halo galaxy?
gilded mason
Tacit Axiom made a really neat one at one point
versed helm
Oh?
gilded mason
Let me go find it real quick
versed helm
You can DM me it
terse lava
Nice
versed helm
Yep
But that's just the Orion Arm,i want to know what's going on in the rest of the galaxy
It makes you wonder,who lives outside of the Orion Arm
Any thoughts
gilded mason
People
versed helm
Furries
unique rune
I hope you feel bad for even the slightest suggestion of that
unique rune
Indeed.
Maybe if I leave and rejoin...
terse lava
Think the Covenant had the equivalent of "Judgement Day"?
feral perch
Yeah, The Great Journey was it.
terse lava
Ok. Should have said doomsday
carmine sleet
That would still be the Great Journey as they believed everyone who was left behind would be killed
feral perch
Yep.
terse lava
Wait when was this?
The Great Journey would take then to godhood and leave everyone else behind
Not kill them
terse lava
Did I miss some new lore?
feral perch
“Left behind” seems to imply death.
At least, by the time of Halo 3, Truth was openly broadcasting to his troops that the Ark was a shelter from Halo’s fire, and that he regretted so few had made it there.
versed helm
A lot of the Covenant's - and Truth's - exact beliefs regarding the functionality of the array are a woefully under-explored grey area.
deep pewter
Truth relies on a lot of guesswork to make sense of because of that
terse lava
@feral perch it cant mean death, otherwise the galaxy would be lifeless from the first great journey
The "unworthy " are simply left behind
spiral jewel
After the events of Halo 3, were there any UNSC research crews sent to the ruins of Alpha Halo?... I know crews were sent to Installations 05, 03, 07 and 00 but I'm not sure if any were sent to Threshold. (I'm sure that there could still be things to discover, even after the rings destruction)
terse lava
@versed helmtrue, we have only ever been given a rather bare bones idea of the covenant belief system and its theology
hasty locust
Probably sent teams, especially after the “nightfall” events
hasty locust
Especially if outpost discovery is taken as canon, they said teams recovered a dead infection form floating around alpha halo
versed helm
@spiral jewel The UNSC sent a prowler to monitor the ruins, some terrible things happened involving a mysterious prison transport and the Flood
gilded mason
Fun times to be had by all
versed helm
Fun for the whole family
terse lava
That's what the infection form was supposed to be? An actual dead one on a mounted display?
versed helm
Anyway, that seems to indicate that the ruins were monitored
Though apparently everyone lost track of one of the fragments until Nightfall
Or something
gilded mason
I would've figured, in-universe, it'd just be a lifelike model
terse lava
That's what I thought
versed helm
It's not been directly addressed
hasty locust
The narrator said it used to be alive
terse lava
Using an actual one would seem horrifyingly bad
hasty locust
They said if it came back alive it would slaughter everyone in the room
terse lava
....a mounted and stuffed infection form
hasty locust
Yep
gilded mason
Though with Flood...can you ever really be sure?
terse lava
..........
versed helm
That's what I was thinking
terse lava
Thats....that's crazy
hasty locust
The sentinel in the next room would help though
gilded mason
'Cause then, whoops, you just condemned at least one person to an eternity of horror.
bright briar
That display must be pretty strong to stop anyone from breaking it.
hasty locust
I think they said the actual index too
terse lava
Infection forms broke down forerunner doors
versed helm
I mean, the UNSC did assign a pair of Spartans to the whole thing
hasty locust
But Spark was fake
versed helm
The odds of something going seriously amiss with that kind of insurance are low
terse lava
I feel like banging my head against a wall either way
hasty locust
I’m hoping outpost comes to Canada this year
versed helm
I mean you don't have to accept OD.
It's not like it's a canonical cornerstone.
I personally don't pay it much heed
At least in its IRL form
feral perch
@terse lava But the first great journey (firing of the array) did leave the galaxy lifeless before the reseeding
hasty locust
Unless you count the flood that starved
gilded mason
But the first great journey (firing of the array) did leave the galaxy lifeless before the reseeding
That's the actual truth, but why would the Covenant at large think it?
terse lava
@feral perchtalking from a covenant theological view
versed helm
I mean
How did Truth know about Earth
These are the mysteries
This is why we need a Truth novel
gilded mason
Wasn't there something about ilovebees regarding that?
hasty locust
Don’t the terminals explain that
terse lava
Ilovebees addressed that I think
gilded mason
Don’t the terminals explain that
Just Regret
terse lava
I forerunner relic on a human vessel activated on luna
versed helm
Seriously?
terse lava
The pulse was picked up by a covenant ai
versed helm
Why is that not mentioned... anywhere
terse lava
Who sent info to the hierarchs
versed helm
Where can I find this out
terse lava
Because the canon..ness of it is dubious
terse lava
Ah
versed helm
I want to know where I can learn more about this
hasty locust
I love bees?
hasty locust
Didn’t some guy try to do the ARG in a hurricane
terse lava
No clue
gilded mason
Yeah
hasty locust
I thought I heard something about that and the operator guy broke character and told him to run
terse lava
Ha
gilded mason
He went to the payphone he was supposed to go to for a call, or something
versed helm
Maybe you're thinking of a theory?
gilded mason
What Ado said is very familiar to me
terse lava
@obsidian thistle can you help us with this
Wait
I remember the ship's name was called the Apocalypse so
A I's name was seeker of truth
gilded mason
Just Seeker
terse lava
Oh
terse lava
Oh duh, thinking of Thel's Carrier
versed helm
The artifact caused a giant rip in the Slipstream, causing the ship to crash within Lunar orbit. The explosion created a large burst of realspace and slipspace signals that knocked out all UNSC communications in the system,[1] as well as attracting the attention of the Covenant. Unfortunately for them, the burst was too far away from anything of interest.[2]
terse lava
Hm
terse lava
I believe that was the case
hasty locust
Well Cortana did mention troop movements to earth in first strike if my memory serves, so could these two be related
versed helm
I mean
The thing about First Strike
Is that there was a huge Covenant fleet massing to attack Earth before Halo 2
That's what this supposedly explains
hasty locust
Yeah
gilded mason
Since the Covenant figured it out thanks to listening in on the Troy and Harmony attacks, it'd have to be revealed to Truth some time after May of 2552. A bit short notice.
terse lava
Well the covenant do have super luminal communications if I recall correctly
terse lava
But only the Covenant at this current point
versed helm
Nah, 2552.
Superluminal communications happen in TFoR
On the UNSC's part
I mean I understand ignoring TFoR, but the evidence seems to indicate it
terse lava
I'll have to double check that then
versed helm
Warfleet has some information
terse lava
No not ignoring it just wasn't aware
versed helm
Halsey's Journal I think also has evidence
There's a fairly comprehensive rundown on a Halopedia page
terse lava
Interesting
hasty locust
Is there anywhere to read the journal online?
terse lava
I have thought that at the time only the covenant head real time communication for this Whereas humanity there is was delayed to in extent
versed helm
The understanding seems to be
That the UNSC did not start the war with that capability
But gained wavespace technology by 2552
How they acquired that tech would make a compelling story.
hasty locust
Yeah seems like humans are good at that
terse lava
Well everyone seems to be reverse engineering something
versed helm
It's how ya learn
terse lava
Well except the Forerunners and precursors I guess
versed helm
Anyway, thanks for bringing that thing up earlier Ado
Really interesting
Clearly it's the best lead we have
Even if the canon as a whole seems to have forgotten it somewhat
hasty locust
Well, here’s to hoping we get answers in the.... future
terse lava
Welcome
Fun question for everyone
Halo reach, Emile and noble 6 fail. Pillar of autumn gets glassed by the cruiser. How does this change the storyline. I mostly ask this do to another Halo was found by humanity but it wouldn't be alpha Halo
gilded mason
Poor, poor email...
versed helm
Nobody ever finds Installation 04
terse lava
Well yea duh
versed helm
Truth finds out Earth however he does
And the Meridian thing happens
And eventually the Covenant kill themselves and everyone in the galaxy
gilded mason
🎉 Galactic Death🎉
versed helm
I mean
I guess the alternate possibilities are that there's some mass exodus to the Ark
And they just sorta
Watch the fireworks
terse lava
You don't think humanity to again some sort of small benefit discovering another Ring world?
versed helm
And go "this is kinda underwhelming"
Or I guess the Schism still happens
But who knows how that could play out without Chief or Thel in their positions
gilded mason
Time for Rtas to step up to the plate...
terse lava
Wortball
terse lava
How so
gilded mason
No idea whatsoever
terse lava
Kinda interesting now that I think about it that we have yet this see anyone have repeat names in sangheili culture
versed helm
Gets turned into Darth Wort
gilded mason
lol
Kinda interesting now that I think about it that we have yet this see anyone have repeat names in sangheili culture
Happened with Tul
terse lava
Oh?
gilded mason
Tul the engineer, and Tul the Scion
terse lava
Well good
versed helm
Vadam and Vadum sounds pretty similar
gilded mason
Though, still. Those two last names for two very important characters is a bit odd, from a writing standpoint
gilded mason
We also have Orna and Orda...and Orta (do not steal)
terse lava
Will pass
By the way do we know what type of vessels are in Broken circle on the cover?
gilded mason
About Truth possibly getting the location of Earth through ilovebees?
terse lava
Yea
obsidian thistle
Oh that. Yea thats a possibility.
gilded mason
Never confirmed, then?
gilded mason
Righteo
terse lava
Well glad to know At least
night dew
unpopular opinion; Emile could challenge chief in hand to hand combat and maybe even win
gilded mason
Sure. Seems possible
night dew
Yeah, I mean emile is a close quarters specialist
terse lava
Yea maybe I guess
night dew
and one of the few spartans who actually wielded a shotgun for virtually every assignment, so that should tell you just how close quarters we are talking. He would have to be ready to go hand to hand if he is as that range.
terse lava
Valid point However
Think about it when He was face in the 1st zealot for a moment. Had the zealot had the strength he could have killed Emile while he gloated before the 2md shotgun blast
versed helm
In my mind, Chief does kinda have a bit of Doomguy factor going on
Except instead of being too angry to die
It's too determined
night dew
He isn't going to be gloating heading into a sparring match with the greatest spartan of all time
You would have to be insane to do that
terse lava
Don't forget the gea, I mean plot-i mean luck
night dew
well...actually emile was pretty insane
gilded mason
with the greatest spartan of all time
Fred?
night dew
no sir, I meant john
terse lava
What does insanity have to do with anything
night dew
I am saying if emile was going to gloat when fighting the chief he would have to be insane
terse lava
He Was insane though
night dew
yeah emile was definitely insane
night dew
overconfident?
night dew
Emile had one goal, kill his enemy
versed helm
Probably a little blasé regarding his own mortality
terse lava
In other words insane
versed helm
His helmet iconography indicates he thought of himself as a dead man walking
night dew
With that determination he could totally kill any thing he decided to fight
I wish we had gotten to see more of emile for sure
gilded mason
His helmet iconography indicates he thought of himself as a dead man walking```
What if he just thought skulls were super neato?
torpid flare
and he got a cool knife
versed helm
That is the other possibility
night dew
He is like my favorite spartan
he used the skulls for an intimidation factor, duh.
skull*
versed helm
@gilded mason The other bit of evidence I have for my little psychological thesis
Is uh
"I'm ready! How 'bout you?!"
night dew
YO LOOK AT MY STATUS
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
That kind of thing tells you that he's very fixated on his own death
gilded mason
Ah, makes sense
terse lava
Yep
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
A sangheili ready to give their life
gilded mason
Emile and Chief share a birthworld, right?
ye
versed helm
Maybe Eridanus, being a bit of a war-torn hellhole, simply produces very innately violent people.
Emile expresses it very outwardly
Chief expresses it inwardly and implicitly in... the way he murders... everyone
Without pause
Or much seeming effort
Then again Chief doesn't seem to have had much of a bad childhood
terse lava
Pretty sure most of the 2s fall under that
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
A nice school
Where he could dominate kids
That's one of the things I unironically like about TFoR AS
The book just describes kids tousling
But the animation gets all 300. He's just like, slow-mow/sped-up kicking and punching
Kept expecting him to just suplex one of them into the pavement
gilded mason
It depicting him endlessly teabagging fallen kids was a bit much though.
And saying horrible things about their mothers
terse lava
......wow
gilded mason
And sexual orientations
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
I suddenly feel less bad for john
gilded mason
I was joking, if you're concerned about what I said about him
terse lava
Ah ok
Could have sworn the book just showed him as a bit of a bully but mostly.just competitive
gilded mason
I was going for the "John is an Xbox Live kid" thing
terse lava
Technically he is 😋
night dew
Nah emile is a hardcore xbox game
terse lava
Or...was I guess
terse lava
No, emile is the guy who rages at you for winning
gilded mason
Would he be a sore winner as well?
terse lava
I think so
But he will be the sore loser everyone wants because at the last moment he will win his team the match
gilded mason
lol
night dew
He's there at the end of the match clutching up a three kill defecit
I"M READY HOW BOUT YOU
he shouts that everytime he gets a kill
abstract venture
yo where my shooters at
terse lava
As for kat....she coordinates the team
Jorge always gets in the gunner seat
Jun...the guy who always wants sniper but never does well
And six...the guy with no headset
terse lava
Do you guys think ancient humanity added mystery to the lore or just are a pointless civilization?
versed helm
Im not a fan of ancient humanity, I do like the forerunners tho.
humble yacht
Forerunners should have been ancient humans
humble yacht
shakes fist at Greg Bear
versed helm
astral dust
Broken Circles is the best Halo Book.
Not that I have read it, I intend to but. I needed to make that statement public.
abstract venture
Bungie the ones who made ancient humanity a different civilization, not Greg bear
versed helm
Imho,Ancient Humanity is pretty cool
abstract venture
343 just ran with their lore
astral dust
I like Ancient Humanity and their story. Very cool, I mean since in real life most of the Human lineage comes from the Continent of Africa and that is where Ancient Humanity was sent after the Forerunner war in exile.
quiet umbra
This guy just PM’d me demanding that I explain an opinion I gave several days ago in here
I kindly told him where he can shove it
quiet umbra
It’d be rude if I said even though he didn’t have the same courtesy
astral dust
Ehh, people are people. What are you gonna do? XD
abstract venture
it b like dat sometimes
astral dust
And that is why the "Block" option is the best thing ever made in social media apps
humble yacht
Even if Bungie technically decided ancient humans were separate behind closed doors, I still shake my fist at Greg Bear
astral dust
If you last name is Bear, you a pretty neat person.
humble yacht
Search “ted Bear” on YouTube
astral dust
Ted freaking Bear. What a Legend
Master Chief .. who is that?..
Ted Bear is the Master Chief mate.
hasty locust
Bear is a pretty cool last name
astral dust
True that." 'Jar Wattinree" is another good one.
hasty locust
I once knew a guy named bol rach
terse lava
I actually always hated the idea of forerunners being humans
hasty locust
Same
astral dust
I once knew a guy named Guy Fieri
terse lava
You have galactic power, fungal parasites eat your empire, you wipe out life with the halos
torpid flare
same, it seems weird to have 2 identical species but have different relations
astral dust
Also, I thought Humans were descendant of Forerunners?
terse lava
And then...become cavemen and exile yourself to earth?
I can understand the want of it for covenant irony but outside of that?....
gilded mason
What do you think of this thing I posted a while back, Ado? (Not my words)
You could still have stuff like the Forerunners' mutations and whatnot, just establish that yeah, they're definitely descended from the same common ancestor as humans instead of them being kind of like humans, only not.
Imagine a civilization existing for thousands or millions of years, never knowing where it came from or how it got here. And in their last moments, the link to their ancient homeworld is found. There's no time to celebrate, only enough time to index the Humans so that they might start over after the Halo array is fired.```I did see that before, that would have been fine
gilded mason
👍
abstract venture
Humans weren't descendants of Forerunners, they were both just species created by the Precursors
astral dust
Well didn't the H4 Terminals clear all this up? Forerunners beat the Humans, Humans got exiled back to Erde-Tyrene aka Earth and landed and started again in the continent of Africa. (New Mombasa).
terse lava
But from what I remember back in the pre halo 3 days, it had forerunner humanity went back to earth after the halos fired
Oh yea cleared long ago, just curious on opinions
astral dust
Gotcha, my b
abstract venture
I don't think that was ever stated
hasty locust
Options on forerunners=humans?
abstract venture
Even in pre h3 days
terse lava
I never said that was the official story, I am going off memory of what I had read back then
torpid flare
you are kinda right
terse lava
In what regard?
terse lava
Ok?
torpid flare
the librarian sent a small portion of each species, then the sangheili found the forerunner artifacts. The humans were sent back to Earth.
terse lava
Feel you were going somewhere with that
torpid flare
yeah, i am providing another example. sorry.
terse lava
Oh ok
Well I mean we know the sangheili and san shyuum found forerunner relics and advanced the earliest out of those in the Orion Arm
abstract venture
It's pretty cool how the elites got that advanced much quicker than anyone else by themselves
terse lava
It's just, the idea of humans being forerunners seems..out of character for humanity. You have a massive empire, lose it to the flood and...go home? Bungie never explained how forerunner humanity went from tier 1 to cavemen
True, and they didn't use forerunner tech 😉 unlike the san shyuum
abstract venture
Yea Bungie changed they mind and made human a seperate species during development of h3
terse lava
So in a sense, sangheili are the most advanced race in the Orion Arm
abstract venture
deadass
hasty locust
Yep
torpid flare
The Covenant is basically like the Holy Roman Empire in some way. Both are inferior to their source.
terse lava
Not a bad comparison
gilded mason
😏
quiet umbra
I love that we can prove statistically that the HRE was not holy
terse lava
But then again, I believe it has been stated the covenant did improve some forerunner relics
quiet umbra
Sounds subjective right? Wrong
gilded mason
But then again, I believe it has been stated the covenant did improve some forerunner relics```
YeTheir kitchens arent too advanced
hasty locust
Kitchens?
torpid flare
sangheili is kinda like the Soviet Union, because they focused on military but not the food supply lol.
terse lava
Come now, we all know barns are heresy
versed helm
Yes
quiet umbra
over half of the HRE population was Protestant
gilded mason
I wanna see the Covenant version of Gordon Ramsay
terse lava
@quiet umbraand?
versed helm
Building super-advanced warships with clouds of nanobots 😴
Building a barn 🤬
quiet umbra
Great job doofus your holy Empire are what you yourself define as heretics and you can’t do anything about it
versed helm
Hed be a british Sangheili
torpid flare
sorry to make communist elites, but what's done is done
quiet umbra
Holy? Yeah right
terse lava
"THIS THORNBEAST IS TO WORTING RAW"
versed helm
Arby is a fan of bbq
terse lava
@hasty locust no no, that's the jiralhanae chain
versed helm
In universe Sangheili Restaurant named Arbies lol
hasty locust
True
versed helm
Itd be amazing
terse lava
You know somewhere, they have an all you can eat buffet called the "flood challenge"
gilded mason
oh no
torpid flare
@terse lava *parasite
hasty locust
No thanks
versed helm
That would be a fiting name
hasty locust
Eat a whole person with of cow
astral dust
How do Sangheili eat with their mandibles?
terse lava
@astral dustcarefully
gilded mason
neural physics
versed helm
I like to think they use their lower mandibles as a jaw
terse lava
That too
versed helm
And not a tongue
gilded mason
They do have tongues as well
astral dust
I feel like they drink water and get nutrition that way. Like a Namekian
gilded mason
Like human tongues, based on the concept art
versed helm
I must see this
gilded mason
They stay in the back of their throat hole until needed
versed helm
So does their tongue serve the same purpose as a human tongue?
gilded mason
torpid flare
shouldn't the elites suffer from natural selection, just because of their mouth?
terse lava
Why would it not?
hasty locust
I love this chat, half the time it’s talking about ancient lore and the other half is an elites day to day activities like eating
terse lava
Nah, half various lores
versed helm
I wanna see a Sanghelios Sangheili tongue now
versed helm
H2A specifically
gilded mason
I wanna see a Sanghelios Sangheili tongue now```
Probably the same.Odd fetish
versed helm
Its probably skinnier
hasty locust
Leon, Lol
torpid flare
thanks, i hate sangheili tongue and mouth. i saw weird stuff about elites. welp.
hasty locust
Well they need some way to taste their food
versed helm
As long you dont look up "Female Sangheili" you should be fine
hasty locust
Wait gimme a sec, ima just check if i took a picture up the sangheli throat at outpost discovery, to see if their is a tounge
gilded mason
As long you dont look up "Female Sangheili" you should be fine```
After all, male Sangheili are all you need. 😉😏
hasty locust
XD
terse lava
Think we are getting a bit heretical here
gilded mason
I am following holy scripture
versed helm
It is written
torpid flare
do you support the arbiter
gilded mason
Thel Vadam? Yeah
astral dust
He is a heretic.
versed helm
Thel is pretty Gucci, but I also liked Ripa
hasty locust
Yes
versed helm
Ripa is taller and thiccer
hasty locust
If Ripa was still alive do you think thel would’ve been paraded through the streets by his entrails?
hasty locust
terse lava
He hadn't really failed anything
hasty locust
He blew up the holy ring
terse lava
...
Ripa?
versed helm
He focused on the flood
hasty locust
just thinking about it my brain is screaming with HERESY
versed helm
He did good
terse lava
Ah read it wrobg
gilded mason
The hierarchs would probably make some other, lesser, punishment for him
terse lava
Wait heresy...your profile pic is an human combat forn
hasty locust
It’s a Marty robins big iron form!
versed helm
Leaning on a wall
terse lava
Actually question is, would ripa have been sent to reach
gilded mason
Seems like a campaign he'd be interested in
terse lava
Likely
hasty locust
Yes
astral dust
I hope Infinite has Sangheili stories.
gilded mason
I hope Infinite has Sangheili stories.```
IndeedI’m praying for story DLC like that
terse lava
It better
versed helm
Rtas Story to be specific
terse lava
Or a spinn off game
hasty locust
But it hasn’t happened before 😞
torpid flare
i would pay 100 dollars to play as either a brute or another elite.
astral dust
^ He knows
hasty locust
Well you’d kinda have to
versed helm
Tartarus dlc
hasty locust
That’s like the price of games now 😐
astral dust
Tartersauce is worse than Atriox
versed helm
But he has the better hammer 😏
astral dust
Chainbreaker has a cooler name.
versed helm
Though Atriox is better in every thing else
astral dust
Very true
terse lava
But neither of them Have swords do they
astral dust
True!
versed helm
He had a Red one
versed helm
When he is about to kill the Sangheili about to execute him he takes his sword
versed helm
And then kills him with it
terse lava
Those poor poor minors
abstract venture
Tartarus was the og
Mans singlehandedly carried his species to the top of the covenant
gilded mason
Tartarus is cute
versed helm
👁️ 👄 👁️
terse lava
The face only an uncle could love
astral dust
Tartar defaced the Holy Oracle..
terse lava
"So it is..."
hasty locust
Jccrz, what
astral dust
It was Sacrilege!
hasty locust
XD
gilded mason
cursed
versed helm
Its prettier
torpid flare
elites are kinda ugly to quite honest, at least in the new design.
hasty locust
😏
👕
👖
terse lava
Agreed
gilded mason
Luckily, they seem be be heading with something similar to H2A these days.
hasty locust
Yeah
terse lava
Eh...just put them on maintenance duties
gilded mason
Though I do hope they make a few changes to things like the feet/neck
hasty locust
HW2 had the best art tyke we’ve had from 343
Cutscene hw2 marines looked sick too, just not the gameplay ones
terse lava
@gilded masonthin 5hem out, proper hoof feet again something like halo 1 and 2
hasty locust
Yeah better then 5/4 for sure
versed helm
Let down by not having an obvious HUD to use with their MA5s
But I guess they've got projection sights
hasty locust
I’m just a 3 marine guy
versed helm
Fair enough
hasty locust
The huge overhanging visor thing
versed helm
3 marines are pretty top notch
hasty locust
Takes away vision but look hella cool
versed helm
Generally speaking here's my stance
I love CE and 2 marines but don't see them as canon
Halo 3 and Reach designs are tied for my favourite
hasty locust
Your profile picture is from uprising right?
versed helm
Yeah, it's a Halo 2 classic marine
Who I don't see as canon
But they're cool nonetheless
gilded mason
😮
versed helm
Just too old
hasty locust
For reach for me, just fix the boots and they’re cool
hasty locust
like tuck their pants
hasty locust
Wait nvm
gilded mason
Huh, never knew that was the term
versed helm
For me they're even with the H3 marines because the H3 marines have a few silly things of their own
I think the pauldrons are a bit silly
The Reach ones are way better
hasty locust
I wonder how many troopers tripped on reach for not following regulation
versed helm
And their helmets have no chinstraps
I think a combination of the Reach and 3 Marines
Would be perfect
hasty locust
Idk, but as time goes by I prefer the H2 ODST more and more
versed helm
You have a like a fusion of the 3 and Reach helmet
3 chestplate
Reach pauldrons
Bloused boots
Lots of ammo pouches
Stomach protection
Nice
👌
hasty locust
Yeah I liked how reach incorporated spartan armor into the reach guys
gilded mason
What about CE's eyepiece thingy?
hasty locust
Like they had the GUNGIR shoulders
hasty locust
Yeah
hasty locust
And some with the field cap
versed helm
Who have sophisticated optics on their weapons
hasty locust
Yeah that’s what reach and 3 had wasn’t it
versed helm
Yeah
Less in Reach because of Bungie's name system
All the female troopers had to be unique
hasty locust
Yeah
hasty locust
3 had the best marine gameplay too
hasty locust
Like it actually felt like a war with the amount of Allies you had
versed helm
I liked the H2A marines
Honestly the one thing I want in my marines is to like
Actually see them fire at the enemy
And see them take cover
I don't want them to charge in. I want them to behave realistically
So lots of staying behind you
hasty locust
I want a balance of H2A and H3 ODST marines, maybe hybrids?
versed helm
That would be okay
hasty locust
Like have H2A as more recon, snipers and H3 as the more frontline guys
versed helm
The HW/H2A style of marine has one glaring flaw for me though
First off, the pauldrons are really silly
They don't make any sense
But the real flaw
hasty locust
They look really young to me
versed helm
Is that they have this teensy chestplate
With no stomach protection
And heavily armoured limbs
That doesn't make any sense to me
They need something protecting their stomach if their limbs are gonna all be heavily protected
There's no theme to them. They're just a mishmash.
In the future they went for not caring about the stomach were as today we dont care about the limbs
Reach gets it right
hasty locust
Maybe they can hold their arms up like a boxer and block bullets
versed helm
Moderate protection everywhere
Also, Halo Wars 2 in-game
That is some serious torso protection
Good stuff
Also Halo 2 Classic
One of the reasons I really like them
They may be pretty low-fi but they are super practical
Ingame HW2 is the H4/5 design
Stomach protection and tonnes of pouches for ammo
It's the H4/5 design
But it's got good colours
And hard armour instead of soft armour
Ye
hasty locust
Infinite seems to be going the direction you’re speaking of
versed helm
Really happy with Infinite so far
toxic venture
wait i didnt saw any marines in H5, just the meridian ones
hasty locust
Like if you look at the first trailer they look like reach marines but in echo 216 was it?’s pelican there is very 3 esque helmet
versed helm
You can also find a few bodies in Genesis.
They're decent, actually.
Grey coloration.
hasty locust
Yeah not like laser tag nerf people
versed helm
In the last mission there's a crashed pelican
Up on a hill
With a secret weapon
You can find them there
toxic venture
the answer?
hasty locust
The face armour ones in 4 looked pretty decent
rotund summit
I NEED HELp
versed helm
All the H4 designs look decent
rotund summit
PLEASE
hasty locust
versed helm
If they have decent coloration
The coloration is what lets the H4 ones down
Need that olive drab and brown
None of this, like, blindingly white gear
Sick lads
hasty locust
I don’t like the cheek armour or the transparent goggles
Their armor seems like it’s full metal
versed helm
hasty locust
The H4 ones seemed a lot more soft
hasty locust
Looks like the infinite AR
versed helm
Everyone had a chestplate and the variations worked around that
In Halo 4 the universal thing was a heavy vest
Some wore chestplates over it, some didn't
hasty locust
Yeah
versed helm
@hasty locust Actually
The Infinite AR is much closer to the Reach AR
The odd thing about the HW2 in-game AR
Is that it doesn't have a flashlight
The flashlight comes out of that little bulb in the front of the cowling
Exactly at the spot where there's a little knob on the Reach and Infinite ARs
I got some theories about that
hasty locust
Interesting fun fact, thanks
I love this helmet here: https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/2xgy6j/early_render_of_the_marine_helmet_in_halo_4/
hasty locust
If that was supposedly from 4’s development I don’t get why they didn’t go with it
gilded mason
Oh yeah, I like that one
hasty locust
Alright gtg, good talk
versed helm
Take care.
night dew
Bruh, if chief isn't the main character in infinite I am mad
there will be no point to living
and if we don't get a playable arbiter again...
somebody is dying
versed helm
I mean
You don't have to worry about the first one
343's been pretty clear that Chief is the protagonist
I don't know about the Arbiter though. But I see it as pretty likely.
Playable elites, at least, are pretty likely.
343 seems to want to please the crowd and that's a crowd-pleasing move
night dew
They went through all that in halo 2 anniversary and halo 5 to show that arbiter would get involved again
versed helm
🤷♂️
Who knows.
Guess we'll be waitin' till E3.
Story of a Halo fan's life for the past 3 years
versed helm
We might get something before E3, though.
My bet is that it all depends on the Series X.
The more we find out about the Series X, the more we'll find out about Infinite. For sure.
terse lava
That TV show?
fair hazel
halo wars 2 blitz art looks so great
torpid flare
One word for everyone: Haboodigahaboodiguhguh
versed helm
Halo Wars 2 looks great, full stop.
The Blur cutscenes are absolutely on-point
In-game looks amazing and run really well even in huge battles
And the blitz art is obviously next-level
It might be the best looking Halo game to date
Some of the best looking things from HW2 in-game are the fire effects, the explosions, and the tracers from pelican gunships
remote spruce
every ability is awesome until it's used on you
versed helm
The big downside of HW2
Honestly I was playing a bit of campaign the other day
Having fun
And then Atriox whips out his gosh-darn super-accurate and relentless cleansing beam and stuff
And it just ruined the whole experience
Such a pain, especially for a CoH fan like myself who's used to, y'know. Abilities with a little more nuance and warning.
I mean, the energy projector strikes continue even after you wipe out the Enduring Conviction
How
terse lava
Neural physics
versed helm
Ah
terse lava
Neural physics, neural physics everywhere
Btw, while its said the forerunners didnt follow the mantle, didnt the lifeworkers?
terse lava
Hm?
versed helm
I'm saying, I doubt it lol
terse lava
Well unlike the other rates they appeared to care for other lifeforms
versed helm
Agreed. Perhaps the "Mantle of Responsibility" is more of a multi-faceted idea than what you would assume it to be from playing the games, or even the novels
Everything all the rates did was at least on the surface geared towards maintaining the balance of the galaxy.
obsidian thistle
My only real complaint with Halo Wars 2s cutscenes was the fact the Forerunner symbols in the final cutscene didnt read anything. It was just random letters. But thats trivial lol.
versed helm
They payed lip service to the concept of the mantle at every opportunity.
terse lava
And yet ancient humanity was worthy? Hm
versed helm
Honestly
I'm not so sure about the notion of the mantle
And I'm not sure the Precursors were that great either
terse lava
They certainty were not good from what we know
versed helm
There has to be more than one way of balancing the galaxy other than whatever the Warrior rates would interpret, including Humans and even the Flood; That's all the real reason why they were at war in the first place, really
terse lava
Don't forget glassing forerunner worlds
versed helm
The Humans?
terse lava
Yes it was the cause of the war
versed helm
Well, I'm not too familiar anymore of what heated exchanges were going on between the species beforehand; if it were an abrupt cleansing out of nowhere to the Forerunners, I doubt they would have had the immediate reaction they did
Humans: glassing planets before it was cool
They were glassing worlds on account of the Flood infection on them
Just so we're all on the same page here
And the Forerunners appear to have believed that the humans were exploiting the Flood as a casus belli
terse lava
Yep
versed helm
What about their purview being worthy of ultimate control for the Universe? Is it ever explained why they believe their species in particular should hold the responsibility?
Well, it's the notion that the most evolved, advanced and moral species should guide and nurture the rest.
terse lava
That's the gist yes
versed helm
Basically, whoever holds the mantle inherits the Precursors' hobby.
The Precursors seemed to have had a fairly hands-off approach
The Forerunners were more militant
And that's the mentality the Created have adopted
So, almost the complete opposite philosophy of the anarchy hippie-like Lifeworkers
Indeed
terse lava
That is something I have found interesting thanks to halo 5
Billions of other rates
Trillions of warrior servants
Anarchy-hippy? Didnt get that vibe from the lifeworkers
versed helm
How did you see them?
They're the nurture part of "guide and nurture".
The carrot
Next to the Promethean's stick
terse lava
Accurate I guess but they did also do the "leave aliens alone" thing
versed helm
I guess the ideal way to hold the mantle is to be all Starfleet about it
terse lava
Let humanity re evolve
versed helm
I personally don't think there's the one holy way of holding the mantle
terse lava
Agreed
versed helm
The mantle itself seems like a pretty ill-advised notion
gilded mason
Yeah
versed helm
It seems like, at least while the threat of the Flood persists, you're better off trying to form a galactic alliance from equal powers
Rather than having one dominate the rest
Just to maximise your total galactic readiness for the inevitable wave 2
The Forerunners would see that as total chaos
terse lava
Odd that only the covenant did that in a way
versed helm
Indeed
terse lava
Covenant proved them wrong then, not the best alliance
gilded mason
What's kinda odd is that the Librarian in the Halo 3 terminals is vehemently against the Mantle, while elsewhere, she wants humanity to hold it.
versed helm
Humans and Elites as the leading races
terse lava
But it worked in a way
terse lava
@gilded masonseemed more the warped mantle the forerunners messed with
versed helm
The Covenant were still a theocratic Empire to a large degree, and obviously there was still prejudice among the species despite their common goal of wiping out another
which is what happens when the species of focus is much more physically fragile than any of your own
Woah
If you put it real simply
it's like
Mass Effect vs Star Trek
As galaxy goals
Or Star Wars vs Star Trek
Actually
Lmao, I missed the obvious one
I love democracy
gilded mason
"I am the High Council"
terse lava
Thel: you are under arrest, holy one
gilded mason
"It's heresy, then..."
terse lava
Well the covenant had the right idea, just went poor on the practice
gilded mason
Yeah
versed helm
I personally believe that Humans and the Forerunners are offshoots of "Parent" species of their own
How did they get the idea of the rings being like
Transcendence again
gilded mason
Incomplete texts talking about rings and Great Journeys, I guess
Broken Circle might go a bit into it, but...I don't remember much of that aspect
terse lava
@versed helmthey were according to the 2nd forerunner book
versed helm
Look at me
terse lava
@gilded masonit didnt really
gilded mason
gosh
versed helm
@versed helm Because it's essentially forming, or galvanising a bridging medium between the nonphysical and physical realms. It's actually quite literal, given how it taps into higher-dimensional slipspace
@terse lava Really? Amusing
gilded mason
it didnt really
Ah, so that's why I don't recall it
terse lava
Yea, Ussa called Convention out on that parr
Asking for proof of the journey
None given
gilded mason
But he cut these heretical thoughts short. Blasphemy. Prophet of Inner Conviction, indeed—what irony. Find your own Inner Conviction!```Yep
versed helm
Spicy
terse lava
Fun fact from that book too
Apparently the forerunners were seen as "avatars" of a greater being
versed helm
The Covenant keep almost figuring stuff out
And then taking a total dive into the realms of ridiculousness
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
Could be worse looks at governors
gilded mason
The San’Shyuum believed the Forerunners had deliberately left their traces across the galaxy as signposts, pieces of a holy conundrum that once solved would allow other races with enough faith to walk the path of the Great Journey, eventually joining the Forerunners.
But if the Forerunners were like avatars of God—then who ultimately was that God? Was there not some over-God, that all must submit to?
There must be. And perhaps the end of the Great Journey was a glorious encounter with that ultimate deity.
But again Mken was peppered by doubts about the Great Journey and the purpose of the Halo array, which the Forerunners had created. Did the description of the effect not sound like weapons? Were there not references—if they were translated correctly—that suggested that the energies were capable of great displays of power?```Sorry, if that wall of text is too big
versed helm
The funny bit is the po-faced acceptance of a "holy conundrum"
Just like
Yes, that makes perfect sense
sounds like a paradox lol
sonic girder
Jul Mdama is still alive
versed helm
Oh hey Jul
terse lava
I found it more amusing that that old hierarch, Qurom i think was his name, only talked about stuff involving the journey
versed helm
I don't think their perception of what was going on was all that bizzare. If the Promethean composition is anything to go by for reference of their "minds" and "essence" being removed from the physical body is a good barometer, the firing of the Halo Array may quite possibly traverse those minds via higher-dimensional space
the concept of it providing "transcendence" against lower parasitical dimensionality containing the flood or humans is.. feasible
terse lava
You mean use a composer to help free a mind from their flood body? Tried and failed already
versed helm
or merely transcend before they can consume you, which is wholly the point of the array
terse lava
The flood mind tagged along for the ride and infected the new body the host mind was placed in
gilded mason
Soul corruption. Yum.
terse lava
Thats the problem though
You cant "clean" the flood off even their souls
The thing at its height was literally infecting the universe itself
versed helm
Is the implication here that the Flood infection is like
I would say it was more shifting it's reality into a dimension more fitted for their energy, over eating away at the entire universe
Spiritual in nature
Like, when the Flood take over your consciousness, they're not just hijacking your brain
But twisting some soul-analogous aspect of our existence
gilded mason
Basically
terse lava
Pretty much
versed helm
I'm not sure I follow that
I don't see it as particularly strange. Even the forerunners have many concepts well-aligned with this
terse lava
Well like this, you get infected, someone upholds your mind to save you, the flood mind goes with
versed helm
I'm... uneasy with the notion of Halo delving into the concept of the soul.
Considering the not-exactly-scientific nature of it
I mean we already have some unscientific things, of course
terse lava
...dude, look at the ancient lore 😋
versed helm
I don't think there's a way around that lol
But actually going so far as to canonize spirituality in such a severe way is not something that sits right with me unless it's done exceptionally well
And I think you may be overstating the extent to which it is already a part of canon
nonphysical implications of the physical body in Halo have been present since day one, really
terse lava
Uh looter
versed helm
Well
terse lava
The precursors were outright stated to live as spirits
terse lava
We are told by an infected fortcheno, who was told by the primordial
versed helm
If the Precursors could live "as spirits", then the odds are pretty low that they got forced out of the galaxy by some dudes with lightrifles and torsion drivers.
The Primordial
Is not exactly a scientific source
If it were the Librarian or Halsey discussing it I might be more inclined to believe it
But a being like that speaks in riddles
terse lava
As the Liberian said, hes the "closest thing to a god we have seen"
versed helm
It is entirely reasonable to conflate the concept of a soul with a purely tangible, biological sentience.
terse lava
I dont see why it's a big deal anyway
versed helm
And no practicalities of the universe thus-far indicate the need for a soul
My man
@versed helm Take the Forerunner's role as geneticists for an example: It wasn't so much of a physical degree where humans were deemed as having potential as a species, but of their gene-"songs" (something like a quantum frequency inherent). Their take on nucleaotides int our physical DNA was more an extension of it's non-physical nature than the other way around
I'd say like
The fundamental truths of our existence
it's a baseline for their latent potential
Are a pretty major part of any universe's canon
It's a pretty major part of our universe's canon
The philosophizing about the notion of a soul that transcends the physical body is a conundrum as old as time
It's certainly important when dealing with issues such as AI, composition, cloning, etc
So, what's your point
terse lava
And yet plenty of fiction with souls around
versed helm
Yes
There are
And I'm not saying Halo shouldn't have them, I'm saying it's a big step for sci-fi which is supposedly an extension of our own reality
And one not taken lightly
terse lava
If souls exist in halo, whoopie do
versed helm
🙄
You're not reading me at all
I'm not saying yes or no to souls, I'm merely trying to outline the gravitas of that decision
And point out that we don't have a clear indicator in either direction as of yet
Well, then you would need to start identifying where things become either science fiction or fantasy
So far Halo has mostly stuck within the realms of at least somewhat feasible science fiction.
We do have a shedload of artifical gravity
And we do have a bit of neural physics
But that line has not yet been crossed