We need answers 
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
true shadow
@versed helm ok bare with me here but i was wondering this too. I was told that the average sangheili life span (as far as we know) is over 200. So i took it as 200 (as an example) and compared it to the average human life span today which i rounded down to 80 for the sake of convenience. So if 40 is middle aged for a human today and 100 is middle aged for an elite that would mean that 1 year in elite age is equivalent to 2.5 years in human age. Then i took the arbiters age of 73 in 2558 and divided it by 2.5 and got 29.2. which means the arbiters age of 73 in elite years can be translated to 29 human years. Which means overall that despite the age of 73 he's still in his prime
i have too much free time
potent cargo
My man that's pretty cool
jade axle
do we know how long the chief is able to live
versed helm
And plus,it has to take into account of how long a Sangheili can remain combat capable
terse lava
Pretty impressive @true shadow would match with ot being said he was one of the youngest to achieve fleetmaster
true shadow
Yeah
But when I look at the maths I did I always see N’tho as some sort of stand out
N’tho is said to be younger than the arbiter
So much younger could you possibly get before it’d be too young?
versed helm
👀
terse lava
Well actually now that I think of it, would make more a sense for thel to be in his mid 40s, as he is nearing that middle age of 100 at 73
true shadow
Perhaps
terse lava
29 would likely be the age of say, major Voro 'Mantakree or Thel 'Lodamee
Also makes sense in that voro, with his rank, knew how to fully captain their cruiser so he was likely an older major as I dont see such combat being taught to lowly minors in a war college
versed helm
Have a random lore question, I know probably a bit too much about Halo but one thing I've thought about a few times that I can't find an answer to is
Do Covenant/ex-covenant Cruisers/carriers ever attempt to glass opposing ships?
(I know we see it in reach with a frigate on the spire mission but it wasn't ship on ship combat technically since the Frigate wasn't even attempting to fight it)
Don't really see a lore reason why a gravity defying super-vessel can't just orientate itself sideways and just glass a UNSC into oblivion
Only answer I can think of is the fact they have to drop their shields in the weapons area so they don't just shoot themselves
stoic hamlet
Yes. They do sometimes use their energy projectors in ship to ship combat.
versed helm
Do you have a source for it? haven't really seen it anywhere
stoic hamlet
It’s mentioned a lot in the books. Fall of Reach has a ship prominently use one to snipe ODP’s, IIRC.
jade axle
It would leave the ship's underside unprotected against the UNSC's MAC cannons though. And they are super accurate so it is most likely that they would hit the Covenant cruiser before the covenant hit the ship. So it is probably less prominent now with the rise of ships such as the Infinity.
humble yacht
Do you think that MAC shots that missed their targets are still flying through space, or have they crashed into celestial bodies by now?
versed helm
Most likely.
Though I doubt many MAC shots miss.
Not meaning to be hyperbolic about the UNSC's capabilities there - ensuring you don't waste MAC fire is a huge part of UNSC battle strategy.
And Warfleet and Mythos drift heavily in the direction of varying kinds of slugs being used for different purpose. At long range, you're probably looking at some form of guided slug.
Or in Warfleet's words, "semi-autonomous drone missiles".
humble yacht
Are Mac rounds radioactive? Like uranium or something? Or are they an inert metal like tungsten
A radioactive round would lose mass as it travels trough space
versed helm
They're composite rounds. Ferrous materials and tungsten, with the odd mention of depleted uranium.
Heavy, inert metals.
humble yacht
Depleted uranium makes for strong ammunition, despite not being radioactive
versed helm
Just dense, tough substances, really.
why did the Halo comics go from Marvel to Dark Horse?
carmine sleet
He's 74 as of 2559. Sure, he wasn't in HW2 but that's the most recent game to release
humble yacht
We don’t know
It’ll be at least 2561
Since that’s the last time the suit was updated
fair hazel
Initiation was first dark horse comic I think.
versed helm
yeah
fair hazel
And yes, missed rounds should still be traveling.
versed helm
but why the switch? ive been wondering this for a long time
fair hazel
These things are standard. Publisher switches. Lots of possible internal reasons
versed helm
was there ever a reason given though?
fair hazel
Also space is a lot of things in between. So unless you’re heading to another star, chances are you’ll be in the void for a looooooong time
Not that I know of
versed helm
200 years i think
gilded mason
200 years i think
All we know is that there's a Sangheili of that age that's still completely physically fit.
gilded mason
I don't know if it was ever said
spiral jewel
I can't remember if Isabel informed the SOF crew of "Recent events" such as the end of the HCW (since that happened while the SoF was drifting towards the Ark)
carmine sleet
She did. They talk about the events of Halo 3 during HW2's second mission
gilded mason
I just wish some of that retelling was at least on-screen.
spiral jewel
I need to replay HW2 when I get the chance or buy a physical copy (since I gotten HW2 through Game Pass but no longer have GP)
terse lava
Nizat 'Kvrosemee
feral perch
Nizat ‘Kvarosee
gilded mason
He's the central Covenant character of the book.
feral perch
Of Oblivion
gilded mason
Yes. In Silent Storm, it was a bit split between him and the Silent Shadow guy
terse lava
Just watch, Next time we see him, he wil find out what happened to the covenant and ask if his old student Xytan was able to pull it back together
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
One can hope (more covie lore please)
jolly saddle
Does anyone know why in Halo lore, with assault rifles specifically, why they used the current model of Assault rifle in HW1, switched to the Reach style, then switched back? If I have any info wrong, feel free to correct me.
versed helm
@jolly saddle They don't just switch back and forth.
They're all in service simultaneously.
jolly saddle
Huh, do you know why they are?
versed helm
Well, out of universe, it's obviously to do with art direction and desires evolving over time. And you can very well look at it from that perspective - if you wanted to treat the most recent depiction as canon, I wouldn't blame you.
But basically, here's the lore consensus.
We're not dealing with a military with logistics so simple as, y'know. Put a bunch of rifles in a truck, drive them out to a base, throw away the old ones.
We're talking about the logistics of an interstellar fighting force. Things are going to be complicated due to a variety of factors. The biggest one, obviously, is a reluctance to dispose of outdated weapons, perhaps because it seems wasteful. It might also be that some older variants are more suitable for a specific unit than newer weapons.
jolly saddle
That makes sense.
versed helm
In short, just due to the sheer size of the UNSC, replacement memos take a while to spread.
jolly saddle
Huh, thanks for clearing that up! That was one of those questions that I always wondered, but never remembered to ask until now.
versed helm
One final thing
Often, branches play a significant role in it
The Reach AR is the MA37, and it's preferred by the UNSC Army, who you fight alongside for most of Reach.
The UNSC Marine Corps throughout the HCW used the MA5B and MA5C, which are from CE and Halo 3 respectively.
Then, postwar, the MA5D (which actually existed in small numbers during the Human-Covenant War) seemed to try and replace all of them.
But the Spirit of Fire is cut off from the rest of the UNSC, so they're probably going to be using some fairly nonstandard equipment by the current era.
A combination of their old gear from 2531, when they were set adrift, and stuff they managed to scavenge from UNSC ruins on the Ark.
jolly saddle
That’s cool, never thought of that myself. I personally like the look of the MA37 best.
versed helm
Happy with the style returning in Infinite?
jolly saddle
Yep! I noticed that Mega Construx, the company that does LEGO style Halo stuff brought the old mold back. Can’t wait to get the new game and console, so I can play every halo game since CE on one!
versed helm
How many encyclopedias and story bibles are there?
Well, there's only one Story Bible. That's the mother of all lore sources and it was an internal reference book at Bungie that got turned into a fully-fledged internal wiki by 343.
Wait, I mean, how many guidebooks have been published? (E.g. the Halo Encyclopedia)
But we've had the Halo Essential Visual Guide (which was sick), the Encyclopedia (which was not very good at all despite being huge), the Halo 4 Essential Visual Guide (which is awesome if you want to know about everything in Halo 4), Mythos (which is like a shortcut to understanding the narrative of Halo), Warfleet (which is a total dream from space warfare nerds like me), and the Official Spartan Field Manual.
The last of which had a lot of info about Spartan IVs.
@versed helm Is the wiki still active?
So uh, 6 I think.
What, you mean 343's internal wiki that they use as a development tool? Or like... Halopedia, the fan one.
I can only speak for Halopedia and it's active as heck
Yeah. I wanted to check it out.
Just to be clear, the Lore Bible and the Internal Wiki are like top secret stuff used by the devs - Halopedia is our fan-run pleb one.
That's the one to check out.
It's not perfect, and you should always check the primary sources first, but it's good enough.
So we have: Halo Encyclopedia, Essential Visual Guide, Halo 4 Essential Visual Guide, Mythos, Warfleet, Spartan Field Manual, and 343's internal wiki. And we have wikis like Halo Nation and Halopedia. Nice. Thanks!
Ooop, filter gotcha
random cradle
Why aren’t they released to the publicp
versed helm
The Internal Wiki?
Because it's like
A development aid
@versed helm Crap. I wish they'd just publish it already.
It changes constantly as 343 writes new lore to guide them in making new Halo games
It's a tool for them
If we got access to it it'd be a catastrophe
Seriously? A profanity filter? Nice job, 343.
🤷♂️
Warfleet is my personal favourite reference book.
It's really cool if you like spaceships.
It has a lot of depth - I'd love to see more like it in the future, covering specific subjects.
@versed helm Well, I wish we got something. Instead of releasing multiple books, they should've just released new and expanded editions of the Encyclopedia a lá Ubisoft with their Assassin's Creed Encyclopedia.
Maybe.
but the recent books have been totally killer
I'd recommend the heck out of Silent Storm and Oblivion
If you like UNSC and Covenant stuff, and Spartan IIs kicking butt
Hopefully we'll get visual guides and such for Halo Infinite
Yeah, I only have the Encyclopedia. Luckily, it's the updated version.
Nice
It's really informative.
terse lava
Warfleet and mythos are two other great books if you like lore
remote tapir
terse lava
Guessing halo follower?
terse lava
Oh
gilded mason
Installation 00
terse lava
What's wrong with him?
gilded mason
Only thing from him that I watched was him saying Halsey has the Librarian's geas. Which put me off him fairly quickly, myself.
terse lava
Oh yea can see that
Seen a few myself, like ancient humans being a new enemy . Silly idea, but the lore part was interesting I guess
versed helm
Oversaturated ☑️
Neglects sources ☑️
Doesn't understand guns and stuff I like very well ☑️
Made a really messed up joke about Palmer, who I really like ☑️
That's a big no thanks
terse lava
Could have simplified it, "heresy, remove this filth."
carmine sleet
Looters, DM me what the joke is
terse lava
Curious myself now
gilded mason
Same
terse lava
$10 says it's a height joke
terse lava
On another topic, had they decided to leave humanity alone, could Xytan's covenant flourished?
Oh, that was.my 2nd guess
stoic hamlet
They would have probably flourished even if they directly attacked humanity.
Had that NOVA not gone off I’m pretty sure it’s implied they would have rolled over everyone else on the field at that point.
feral perch
Halo novels tend to have disastrous situations resolved in relative isolation.
Which make the threats feel a little bit silly or pathetic.
feral perch
Got a fleet of the greatest warriors in the Covenant? No problem, we’ll use a NOVA. Got a horde of dangerous Sharquoi? We’ve got an angry governor who lost her son to solve that problem
terse lava
I am if that part, I guess it should be accurstento ask, would a sangheili-led covenant done better then san shyuum, seeing as how the covenant at that time likely could have been repaired by xytan
humble yacht
Halo novels tend to have disastrous situations resolved in relative isolation.
Just like ATN!
versed helm
Or Truth's fleet bound for Earth
Chimera, the difference there is that the Flood outbreak was a pretty small one
We're talking like
terse lava
Really the only good thing on ATN was firefight
versed helm
Huuuuuuuuge threats
Ado as if
C'mon
The campaign was pretty lit
And the cutscenes mang
humble yacht
“One flood spore can destroy a species.”
versed helm
Shut your mandibles
terse lava
Oh yes the campaign was good, but I mean
feral perch
Got a Covenant supercarrier being built early in the war? (We’ll agree to disagree on that, Looters) No problem, we’ll have a very improbable chain of successes take place to enable two Spartan teams to take it out and suffer no casualties beyond their ODST complements
terse lava
We have the story utterly focused on 2 brutes, no mention of what Let's guys were doing at the time or the rest of the banished
feral perch
Let ‘Volir is a disgrace
terse lava
Still better then any brute
gilded mason
Let "Three Lines" 'Volir
humble yacht
We still don’t know what Atriox wants with the ark
feral perch
no
terse lava
@gilded masononly 3 lines? "But how?"
versed helm
Drop some spicy memes
carmine sleet
We can guess resources are at least partially why he's there
feral perch
he just wants to drop a sick album and have the whole galaxy listen
versed helm
Remember that bit from HW2 where there was a Halo ring
terse lava
Not like they could use the ball really
versed helm
And Atriox was like
terse lava
Halo
versed helm
"I would like that please"
humble yacht
The ark’s main function is useless to atriox
feral perch
Now this is the story of how my whole Covenant got turned upside down
humble yacht
Unless he kept a reclaimer on hand
versed helm
Which would be fairly easy to do
humble yacht
But that also wouldn’t really mesh with his mission statment
terse lava
@feral perchfresh brute of Bel Air?
humble yacht
Atriox has no desire to kill all life in the galaxy
feral perch
Oh yeah
humble yacht
He’s a merc
terse lava
He just wants money and power
feral perch
ooh
humble yacht
Seems like an empty threat
feral perch
Yeah
humble yacht
If they refuse, what he gonna do? Fire them?
terse lava
With the halo ring he cant fire
versed helm
I imagine his first power play might be to set off like, a single ring
And then go from there
Just to show that he means business
feral perch
Eehh
versed helm
That's a solvable
humble yacht
Feel like a monitor would be necessary to do a tactical pulse
terse lava
They would all go off
versed helm
That's a solvable
humble yacht
New rings don’t have monitors
versed helm
That's a solvable
terse lava
Not without monitor or a very talented huragok
humble yacht
No one to prime the tactical pulse
versed helm
Chimera
You literally said you feel like a monitor would be necessary
C'mon dude
Don't treat it as fact yet
humble yacht
You keep saying the same crap. How about actually say what you mean instead of being all vague
versed helm
That's a solvable means that's a problem that could be solved.
What's happening here, from my POV
feral perch
hey guys, Grim just called me, he says tactical pulses require monitors
humble yacht
Also based on halo 3, it seems like GS was the one who prepared the single fire setting
versed helm
Is that you guys are saying things
And the workarounds for those things, or what Atriox's plans might be, are pretty obvious
He doesn't know how to fire a single ring? Seriously?
humble yacht
I don’t think anyone would buy that he’d use the rings
versed helm
This is Halo. He'll go into some cartographer thing with a reclaimer on a leash and a bunch of huragok
And he'll figure it out
terse lava
He never says to go after an index, just the ring itself
versed helm
I mean, he did uh
He did try and capture a ring
He didn't exactly look at the ring and go
feral perch
Not all humans are Reclaimers apparently
versed helm
"Oh, cool"
humble yacht
The banished don’t really go out and conquer regions of space. It’s not like Atriox is setting up an empire
humble yacht
Also going after the ring seemed more like a “let’s do that because it’s there” thing
Not his original reasoning for go into the ark
carmine sleet
He could be planning on using the ring as his own private training grounds for all we know
versed helm
Atriox is about power
The rings are immensely powerful
Should he be able to harness that power he'll be a powerful boi
I think y'all are overcomplicating the issue
humble yacht
I’d like to think there is some non ring-related secret on the ark that he’s interested in
versed helm
And ignoring what's in front of you
humble yacht
Everyone and their mom has been after the rings
versed helm
Yeah.
terse lava
True
humble yacht
The forerunners left plenty of other cool things to look for
versed helm
I really wish Halos could stop being so central to Halo.
It just bugs me so much
Every time I play some Halo
That there's always a Halo
terse lava
Then again everything else forerunner teleports itself out of the plot
You know I'm right there
humble yacht
Doesn’t onyx have a regular UNSC presence going on?
night dew
new rings still have installation monitors...
feral perch
bruh what
versed helm
It has schools
gilded mason
Doesn’t onyx have a regular UNSC presence going on?```
And SoSAnd drama
feral perch
what
versed helm
And Spartans teaching self defence
night dew
Boi
humble yacht
What new monitor was made for I09, devitto?
feral perch
One of the main complaints I’ve seen about H4/5 and Reach is that there’s not enough Halo ring stuff
night dew
okay fair point, but thats only one installation without one that I can think of
humble yacht
Heck, what new monitor was made for the ark?
humble yacht
Tragic solitude is the big ded
terse lava
I still dont see how tragic didntn survive rhat
feral perch
By all means, give us new protagonists, but keep Halo rings central to the main installments
night dew
We still had guilty spark on the ark so let's count that
humble yacht
Tangent may still be kicking but we don’t know
feral perch
I’m excited to explore this new ring in Infinite
humble yacht
Um actually. When GS was on the ark, Tragic Solitude was still alive
feral perch
So many possibilities
humble yacht
So that theory is out
terse lava
That's what o mean by teleporting itself out of the plot
meager owl
who would win in a real fight, no armor, no guns ( well chief can keep his helmet ) Chief or Locke
night dew
Chief
meager owl
of course
night dew
His serum was just that much more effective
feral perch
Chief is not Halo’s main protagonist anymore... We just haven’t accepted it yet.
night dew
He is the main character of infinite
feral perch
His serum? Lol what?
terse lava
Tangent, Janus Key, Didact, Absolture record, Requiem, Tragic, etc
meager owl
i feel bad for chief now, he's been through a lot
night dew
You know what I mean, the stuff he got injected into his tissue in a bunch of places on his body
No kidding
carmine sleet
Requiem wasn't teleported. It fell into its sun
humble yacht
What if Atriox is after the gene seeds?
carmine sleet
That's possible
humble yacht
That’s something that hasn’t been explored in awhile
terse lava
"Teleported" in this case means just taken out of the plot
carmine sleet
Maybe he's looking to splice DNA to try and make stronger troops or something like that
feral perch
He had way more than a serum injected into his body. Locke, on the other hand, is no less a Spartan. And besides, Mjolnir curtails the differences between Spartan generations, so their power is about equal @night dew
terse lava
We did see him use a forerunner fighter from a seed so would interesting
meager owl
but what if chief lost to locke in a fight, everyone would storm Locke.
humble yacht
Pretty much the only thing we know he’s not after is the flood
terse lava
Heh
meager owl
but still, how did chief " betray " the human race in 5
meager owl
ok
obsidian thistle
*Though Osiris was told stuff like he was the one awakening the Guardians.
feral perch
really?
meager owl
but what about Noble 6? could she ( it's a female in my canon ) of survived reach?
terse lava
That's funny
feral perch
That’s dumb
humble yacht
Who told them that?
carmine sleet
Six is long dead @meager owl
terse lava
N6 is dead, stabbed, glassed, vaporized
obsidian thistle
This also follows all media before and after it.
feral perch
In actual canon Noble Six is male. Kind of a dumb choice to state it outright but oh well
terse lava
That's fine
carmine sleet
That's known as a head canon
feral perch
Also Noble Six is, as Ackerson put it, “Dead. Dead. Dead.”
humble yacht
I find that “evidence” dubious at best given that other trailers have been empirically determined to be non canon
versed helm
Molecules
obsidian thistle
Um no other trailers have undermind that one. xD
humble yacht
Maybe not but that doesn’t mean it’s established canon
carmine sleet
You could say Six is "Gone, reduced to atoms." (Not including their helmet)
obsidian thistle
Fun fact also. Osiris dont even get told Cortanas alive till the Warden mentions her to them.
humble yacht
I don’t think glassing beams act as atomic destabilizers
carmine sleet
I was just using a quote
obsidian thistle
All Osiris have is capture Blue team.
versed helm
This is the bit where everyone gets reminded
That there is Halopedia canon
And there is unknowable true canon
And Halopedia canon is the best we've got but it's not perfect
terse lava
It will have to suffice for now
meager owl
my canon: well, Before the glassing they took 6 into space and they tortured her until she almost died, but they kept her alive. no armor, no weapons, just her and the black undersuit she wore under her armor. she did break out, made a new life for herself and lived happily ever after
Head canon : dead
humble yacht
There are known knowns, and there are known unknowns. But there are also unknown unknowns.
terse lava
Uh..ok?
carmine sleet
Ok, your canon is still a head canon @meager owl
obsidian thistle
Well there is so many sources that state Noble 6 is dead. xD Its kinda one of the most established things there is.
terse lava
Fair enough for head Canon I guess
meager owl
@carmine sleet what do you mean?
versed helm
It's very established because people keep asking if Six is dead
terse lava
He means its your own personal head canon
versed helm
It's like the most answered question ever
meager owl
ok
humble yacht
Do you think the first person to make a burger out of moa meat was of German descent?
terse lava
Maybe
meager owl
but still, i will beat halo 4 for Noble 6.
terse lava
But did they use a bun
versed helm
It was probably a yank
I mean 'cmon
🍔 🇺🇸
Nobody else would look at alien life and go
Burger time
terse lava
" welcome to good burger, home.of the moa burger"
meager owl
is best and so is 
versed helm
obsidian thistle
I do have to say. This looks fine... if a lil too big for my tastes. https://www.halopedia.org/images/0/09/Smoa_GP.png
versed helm
space cheddar
humble yacht
Wait
versed helm
I wonder if Have S'Moa has a 117 Burger with green buns
terse lava
Covenant were busy glassing worlds when they could have just fed humanity that Burger
humble yacht
How you gonna have a chicken patty with a moa angus patty?
meager owl
@obsidian thistle no i'm hungry
terse lava
Its deep fried moa
versed helm
Good to know that the UNSC stepped in and de-radiated that Moa
versed helm
The moas were deported
terse lava
Was a joke
versed helm
Imagine if you were about to eat a burger
But the US military dropped in
And de-radiated it
Not all heroes wear capes
terse lava
Odd
obsidian thistle
There is probably different types of Moa meat.
versed helm
Some of which are radioactive
And require the attention of humanity's fighting forces
obsidian thistle
I mean some people with money may want that.
versed helm
Dude
humble yacht
If the moa burger was irradiated then just touching it would likely lead to hand cancer
versed helm
Sometimes I crave radiations
I'm just like dude
You know what I could go for right now
Some X-rays
obsidian thistle
Moa Nuggets for example became very expensive after the fall of Reach.
humble yacht
X rays have no calories
terse lava
Have some fallout water
terse lava
If he ate only that, would it make him alpha male?( im sorry)
obsidian thistle
So by all means "Reach Moa" meat may be very expensive and luxurious. (if needing to be de-radiated)
terse lava
The fact some survived is amusing either way
humble yacht
If someone pays more for a moa just cause it’s from Reach, then they stupid
It’s not about where the moa is from
obsidian thistle
Ya know that sorta thing happens irl.
humble yacht
It’s about how they’re treated
obsidian thistle
Some People buy stuff cause of where its from if they have the money...
humble yacht
Kobe beef is expensive because the Japanese have this monopoly on raising cattle that way
Or maybe their just the only ones willing to be that good to the cows
Also they own the rights to that species
That helps
obsidian thistle
If it means anything I find it more amazing that Moa were exported to human worlds to be kept as pets.
terse lava
Or worse
humble yacht
Pigs are actually quite smart
terse lava
True
humble yacht
But they can grow to unmanageable sizes
terse lava
Was thinking more people who keep animals that clearlynshoild not be on human care as pets
humble yacht
I was thinking specially livestock as pets
It’s not like halo has reported anyone domesticating a Guta
obsidian thistle
I do wonder if they survived Reach. Or if they were seeded on other planets.
terse lava
You know someone on reach attempted to keep a pet guta
humble yacht
And they won a Darwin Award
terse lava
Indees
obsidian thistle
Well fun fact. Despite what we see in Reach. Guta are naturally non-aggressive.
Or more... severe aggression is rare.
I kinda went out my way to improve that page so its a lil more academic. (Still could be better however...)
humble yacht
Seems to me that they respond like elephants do
obsidian thistle
That was actually my thought lol
humble yacht
Peaceful amongst their own but violent toward intruders
obsidian thistle
They are essentially Space Elephants.
humble yacht
Pro tip: don’t walk up to an elephant in the wild
terse lava
I wonder how it went for lifeworkers attempting to get those guys
humble yacht
I’m sure they had some mass tranquilizer they used
obsidian thistle
When researching the Guta for that page. The most common comparison I found was Elephants.
terse lava
Likely
humble yacht
Librarian cast Sleep
terse lava
Well certainly fits for a comparison
obsidian thistle
I do hope the Covenant found use of them. I do say it would be ace to see this sorta thing in-game https://www.halopedia.org/images/6/69/HR_Guta_Concept_3.jpg
humble yacht
The Gutas begin to get drowsy!
terse lava
Wow
humble yacht
Librarian used Cheek Swab!
terse lava
Dang it chim, now I cant get the classic pokemon battle theme out of my head
Still was not aware there was concept art of them under covenant control
humble yacht
It’s all about TemTem now
terse lava
Yep
humble yacht
(I might check that out next year when it fully release)
terse lava
Does sound slightly interesting
humble yacht
(Needs moar ghost types)
terse lava
Makea.me wonder where the covenant delopved the idea that chief and the others were undead
versed helm
@terse lava I like lore. I like it a lot.
@gilded mason Doesn't she?
gilded mason
Hm?
versed helm
Doesn't Halsey have the Librarian's geas?
terse lava
Not undead heroes, undead monsters. I am curious where this came from
Even Thel as a zealot battling Jai thought the lack of noise, emotion, and visor made his opponent an undead creature
night dew
I'M READY HOW BOUT YOUUUUU
Emile was basically a monster
ngl
I mean the elite who ran him through saw a skull as emile came back and stabbed him with his own sword
Bro what spartan besides chief is cooler than that?
gilded mason
Joseph-122
terse lava
Found emile boring
gilded mason
Yeah
versed helm
Really?
Did you actually lose enjoyment of the experience when he was on-screen?
Grow bleary-eyed? Fall asleep?
gilded mason
Whoa nelly
gilded mason
"Boring" is pretty mild
terse lava
Says 3400 years
versed helm
A diad, if you will.
gilded mason
What about Broken Circle?
terse lava
Yep
gilded mason
Or Shadow of Intent
versed helm
Broken Circle doesn't get written without Halo CE, is my point.
terse lava
Dont need them for good covenant tales
If we want to go the meta route, no flood or forerunner without covenant
versed helm
Nothing would've been written if it werent for CE
That's more or less my point
The Halo universe is, y'know
...
terse lava
Yes?
versed helm
I don't provide meek criticisms of Covenant characters
And then back them up with "I'm a UNSC fan".
Seems like bad form.
You gotta respect all facets of the universe.
gilded mason
Uh
terse lava
I only said I found Emile dull
versed helm
It's not that bit I object to
gilded mason
It seemed like it, considering all the stuff you wrote right after that.
versed helm
I dunno, man. It really rubbed me the wrong way for some reason.
terse lava
As I said, his character felt predictable. Of course he was going to be the faceless cynical tough guy who goes out with his enemy
Jorge I liked better
versed helm
Alright fine
terse lava
We only had the chief really to go off Spartan to in game wise for personality and emotion. Jorge provided to a new aspect of that
versed helm
They all did, really.
None of them conduct themselves like John.
John sits somewhere between all of them, really.
terse lava
Yes but game wise we only ever had the chief
Wheres emile? Typical tough guy who never shows his face. He felt one dimensional to me
versed helm
Can we like
Move on yet
We've already established that you have your opinion and I just plain don't like it
terse lava
That was all I had to say
versed helm
But can't really argue with it
Like, yeah. He is pretty typical. He's fairly one dimensional.
But the way he behaves never felt boring to me.
Not everyone has to be some kind of psychologist's wet dream to unravel
terse lava
That's fair
versed helm
Some people are simply driven and are compelling because they behave in a consistent way and do interesting things
So now we're in the realm of pure subjectivity
And my brain is screaming at me "look at this gerd-derm hinge-head lover trash talking a loved character from a respected game"
terse lava
......?
half apex
everyone talks about how spartan thorne engaged one elite, gek
but no one talks about how he engaged many more seconds after being brought to requiem...
night dew
why people diss emile though
he was insane
he literally took down three super elites on his was to the grave
he killed the elite that killed him
half apex
and the one that accompanied him
night dew
and again emile did tear down multiple covenant outposts almost single handedly
half apex
i feel like emile didn't deserve the death he got
at least he killed the elite that killed him
rip
night dew
No bungie wanted a way to kill him so that the circle would be complete
half apex
hmm?
night dew
ummm
half apex
...
night dew
I have a feeling we are going to see him in infinite
half apex
oh yeah
half apex
he's been off field for a while tho
night dew
true he was effectively halsey's guard and then he just dissapeared from lore
half apex
i wouldn't expect it tho
night dew
We can hope for it
half apex
i really wish all the MIA spartans made a return in infinite
and johnson
i also wanna see the last ancient humans and forunners
night dew
We will definitely see spartan palmer again, and I have a feeling we will get to fight alongside the arbiter again as well
I want the arbiter back so bad
night dew
agreed but we are still going to get her
half apex
well on second thought
night dew
she is going to get shoved down our throat because GeNdEr EqUaLiTy
half apex
wait no on third thought
i was gonna say i wanna see new spartan 4's
but i guess it wouldn't work cuz they wouldn't be built up well enough
night dew
No I dont want to see any 4s
half apex
i do wanna see buck
night dew
Ok yes
half apex
alpha 9
half apex
o_0
lol
i wonder what would happen in halo 7
wait no
what's happening in the andromeda? in the halo universe
night dew
Halo 7 is too far away
Give it a bit
Halo 7 will not be here till like 2025
since we know so little it might as well include jedi
terse lava
So Disney buys halo?
night dew
Clearly
That is the move
We need chief to be in "Star Wars X; Chief gets a new energy sword"
versed helm
OH, I get it
@terse lava Do you just not like that Emile massacred his way through a bunch of what are supposedly the best Sangheili warriors
Including y'know
Managing to kill one of them without a spine
I'm afraid to inform you, my good friend, that uh
That's the way we get it done, Spartan
terse lava
It doesnt have to do with that
versed helm
Sure, sure 😏
terse lava
Dude what is your beef?
versed helm
I honestly don't know
terse lava
So what if I dont like one guy out of noble team
gilded mason
Maybe you should take a nap?
terse lava
Look at kat
versed helm
I literally can't handle it for some reason
terse lava
No one defends her
versed helm
Ostral is probably right
Wait, what do you mean?
Kat's awesome
I really like every single element of NOBLE
I think they're all really striking characters
Even Six, in their own way
If anyone doesn't like Kat, point me at 'em
What ever Happened to the Prophet of Clarity?
I'll get super triggered at them too
gilded mason
He's living on the Refuge
terse lava
Lives with the ussan sangheili
versed helm
Gucci, I hope we get to see more of him someday
terse lava
Would be nice, perhaps the infinity will jump there in h6 at some point allowing Clarity and Bias to help them
gilded mason
~~Like so~~
gilded mason
Ye
terse lava
It's all good
Just realized, were the silent shadows who met Atriox and the ones who went after the headhunters the only decent portrayal we have of them?
gilded mason
Think so?
terse lava
Silent storm and Oblivion shows them...in not a great light
gilded mason
Yeah, that's one of the things I wasn't a fan of
terse lava
Yeah, found it odd how fast they died fighting chief. Even their commander perished so easily I had to re-read that part to be aware he faced John personally
Then in oblivion, they charge out of s burning troop carrier WITH fuel rod cannons and lose again
abstract venture
There was only one silent shadow, the rest were bloodstars
the one silent shadow almost killed chief
gilded mason
Bloodstars are Silent Shadow
versed helm
That's the way we get it done Spartan
terse lava
The brutes didnt get there in time to participate in the battle I believe
abstract venture
theyre like lesser versions of them
versed helm
Recent lore has not been kind to the Sangheili when it comes to measuring up with Spartans
versed helm
It'll be interesting to see if they suddenly heel-turn on that
abstract venture
no they sucked
versed helm
I reckon if we get lore before Infinite that has an elite doing better against a Spartan than we've seen in the Master Chief books and Halo Wars 2
Then that'll be pretty good evidence that 343 are trying to backpedal
And make it more believable for elites to be playable and on the Spartan's level
terse lava
Backpedal since 2012....
abstract venture
elites have never been a good match for spartans though
terse lava
Disagree
versed helm
I would say 3 and Reach certainly paint them in that way.
terse lava
We see times where chief has lost to a sangheili
abstract venture
only in the original fall of reach which was retconned pretty quickly
terse lava
It still has him struggling against s ranger
gilded mason
Some Elites have shown themselves to be a match for Spartans.
abstract venture
some high ranking elites can do decent but for the most part they fodder
terse lava
Major Thel 'Lodamee
versed helm
It really depends
terse lava
Beat chief in a sword duel
abstract venture
he sthe only one that 'won' a 1v1 against a spartan
terse lava
Uh
terse lava
The commando from first strike?
versed helm
Oh yeah that one too
terse lava
You forget him?
abstract venture
chief was dead tired after the events of ce
versed helm
That is also true
abstract venture
and his armro was malfunctioning
versed helm
And also... stuck in a door at the time, wasn't he?
abstract venture
yeah
gilded mason
Am I misremembering the door?```
Johnson was shooting through the door gapHe only lost due to johnson literally filling the commando full.of lead, who, mind you ignored it and continued fighting chief
gilded mason
I think
abstract venture
if u reread it Chief says hes dead tired from the events of fall of reach and CE, and he would ahve easily beaten him normally, also his armors fallnig apart with the energy shields being compeltely broken
terse lava
He was filled with enough bullets they were coming out the front if I recall
versed helm
Gnarly
terse lava
A fair point, yet would say the commando, being bullet ridden equals out. chief being tired
abstract venture
the elite from fall of reach was a meter taller than chief
versed helm
If only someone had some quotes for us
terse lava
The ranger?
gilded mason
I'm busy. >:(
versed helm
Rats
terse lava
Brutes are usually 8 to 9 ft tall
abstract venture
yes, that elite was over 10ft tall since it was a meter taller than chief
hes not really an average elite
gilded mason
no u
versed helm
Inform me if any doors are involved
abstract venture
i think he just tackled the elite into the door where johnson shot him a bit through the crack
he didnt get stuck or anything
terse lava
Got it right here one moment
versed helm
Plot twist
terse lava
And yes shaq is correct
versed helm
They were all doors all along
terse lava
"He slammed the creature into the partially opened hatch. The energy blade cut into the master chief's armor, boiling through the alloy that protected his upper arm. Gunfire exploded from the hatch, oddly muffled because the rounds impacted directly into the Elise's back. The alien snarled and contorted, but it held on to the master chief.
The alien warrior sawed the. Blade deeper, cutting through the tough crystalline layers of the MJOLNIR armor. Hyrostsic gel oozed from the wound...mixed with the chief's blood."
"A bullet hole appeared through the elite's broken chestplate-bits of shattered armor and torn flesh splattered the chief.
night dew
well who doesn't love a sword elite
to be fair, chief, immediately after climbing up an elevator shaft, was able to easily kill a sangheili sword wielder
Some elites are just stronger than others, remember they are still independent entities capable of being more combative than others of the same species.
abstract venture
Yeah Elites vary in strength/skill alot, only a few are able to be a match Spartans and even then its when they had weaker armors
night dew
and keep in mind chief was using first gen mjolnir armor for the longest time.
versed helm
I think
If 343 wanted to take the route of elites being physically even to Spartans in order to re-integrate playable elites in a believable way
They could say that elites tend to underestimate Spartans severely and get their butts kicked on account of that
They go for a normal human-killing manoeuvre and end up getting put on their butts
The sort of mistake a veteran SoS warrior who's training alongside Spartans would never make
gilded mason
Yeah. Another way to go, or an addition, since wargames are canon these days, could be with the SoS Elites using a more advanced combat harness that augments their abilities more.
terse lava
That could work
terse lava
Hopefully though their armor would be the halo 2A variant
versed helm
It'd have to be more MJOLNIR-like
gilded mason
CE or bust. 😋
torpid flare
Was the Covenant doomed from the beginning?
gilded mason
At some point down the line, perhaps. Though it'd kinda depend on how the current leaders handle the unrest from Forerunner truth coming out.
Through careful administration, they could change the paradigm of things to deal with the new information.
torpid flare
To be quite honest, the demise started when the Covenant declared war on humans, or when they colonized other worlds.
abstract venture
i dont think that would work, the stat difference is too big
elites could barely match spartans in older armor which doubled their strength, current armor gives over 5x as much strength
the elites getting better armor could work though, since we know some elites started making mjolnir armor
@torpid flare nah, it only collapsed since Truth wanted complete power and betrayed the elites
gilded mason
In Hunters in the Dark, we have a few SoS Elites either matching or exeeding Spartan abilities.
abstract venture
spartan 4s sure
abstract venture
nah they weaker
gilded mason
Straight from 343 that S4s are as strong as SIIs in armor
abstract venture
i think the quote was s4s in gen 2 are as strong as s2s in gen 1
terse lava
I leave for a short bit and miss the good stuff??
Do we know which armor they had in HITD?
gilded mason
Hunters in the Dark
hasty locust
I don’t believe the S4=S2 BS though
versed helm
S4 =/= S2
hasty locust
Like S4 are good but compared to being raised to fight and die at birth
versed helm
don't know where you saw that
hasty locust
They were talking about that earlier
There is no possible way S4 can one on one an S2
versed helm
S4 has MJOLNIR Gen2, which compensates for the physical difference gap between an S2/3 and S4
that's about it
versed helm
it's more akin to: S4 in Gen2 are as strong as S2 in Gen1@gilded mason @abstract venture
hasty locust
Like S4 aren’t that impressive when it comes to like training and everything they are just some random Joe shmoes with power armor
Yeah I think Shaq said that
hasty locust
Like they are still the best of the best, but S2’s without augs would be still bette ether those troops without augs (if that makes sense?)
versed helm
training-wise, yes
quiet umbra
strength-wise it's Spartan I's < Spartan III's < Spartan IV's < Spartan II's
Spartan 1's only have that name retroactively as kind of an underhanded tactic to legitimize the 2's
abstract venture
3s are better than 2s
They had much better augmentations, just much worse armor at the time
Now they have equal armor so they should be the strongest
quiet umbra
I thought due to their age 3's had a watered down version of the gene therapy
I'm not saying they werent roided out super soldiers
abstract venture
A Spartan 2 says the 3s augmentations were way better in the novel
versed helm
and were roughly the same age
the difference was they had a wider pool due to the improved augmentations
quiet umbra
so noble 6 and chief would be on even footing?
versed helm
and were only selected from orphans
instead of abducted
the ones that REALLY outclass S-2 are Gamma company S3
abstract venture
yes, there's a trailer for reach where Halsey says Noble 6 is the only Spartan on Chiefs level
gilded mason
yes, there's a trailer for reach where Halsey says Noble 6 is the only Spartan on Chiefs level```
As an aside, that's just really marketing.Six and Chief are both hyperlethal
quiet umbra
at a certain point that just means 6 can shoot good y'know
versed helm
But chief has luck
quiet umbra
I was reffering to like, hand to hand
versed helm
hyperlethal is just marketing, yeah
abstract venture
Marketing is canon for Halo
versed helm
as of the S-IV project every single spartan is now classed as hyperlethal
abstract venture
unless it's contradicted by actual media
quiet umbra
is the believe campaign still canon
abstract venture
Now they are, with the addition of gen 2
quiet umbra
thats all that matters for me
versed helm
they even used it in the handbook
abstract venture
Ik
gilded mason
Though the term itself is really silly
abstract venture
I took it to mean that at the time it was only those 2 at that level
versed helm
He is still Hyperlethal whether that was marketing or not, and yes Reach's campaign is canon.
abstract venture
But now every Spartan is considered it
versed helm
Believe Campaign was from 3
quiet umbra
a fake documentary set 40 years after the ending of Halo 3
idk why it works so well but it does
versed helm
the diorama was supposed to represent chief's sacrifice, but obviously not describe it specifically
kinda the same misdirection that we got from Hunt The Truth don't @ me
obsidian thistle
Actually the 2nd Battle of Mombasa happened. Just if Chief cant be there so it must be another Spartan.
The theory goes it was Will.
quiet umbra
it's true though it's just a bunch of old man talking about how green space jesus saved mankind
feels epic yknow
like what you're gonna do when halo 3 comes out really matters
like it's gonna be enshrined in the history books
versed helm
And it does boi
terse lava
Those were pretty neat before the game came out
quiet umbra
they're even better now in 2020 because the game actually exceeded the hype
versed helm
I honestly loved the Believe campaign
quiet umbra
the ONLY thing I don't like about 3 is like really nitpicky stuff
Truth's VA change, Arbiter is mostly sidelined as player 2, Cortana isn't a very fun level
other than that games literally perfect
versed helm
H2s campaign is my favorite, but the multiplayer was great in H3
Honestly my favorite Halo Multiplayer
quiet umbra
H2 has some big flaws but the story was arguably the best there
terse lava
I wouldn't say perfect but it was truly very good
quiet umbra
H2 also has what is undoubtable the most famous line in the entire franchise to this day
gilded mason
This one:
"A zealot? So much for a stealthy advance...!"
versed helm
"Politics... How tiresome."
terse lava
"Arbiter...i... I think you're cute too"
quiet umbra
I'm trying to find the VR chat avatar of chief with the bomb behind him as a backpack
versed helm
"Do you do foot massages... Arbiter?"
quiet umbra
but y'know the bomb line
versed helm
I've just had the issue of the original bungie games recycling each other
but when you mash them together it's something special truly
quiet umbra
people lambast Destiny's cringhe dialogue but the thing is you have to run the risk of cringe to get godlike lines like "Permission to leave the station"
terse lava
Yea, though would have been nice for them to nail down that whole forerunner human relation properly
terse lava
Think destiny suffered more due to the fact you had to pay for the tale rather then getting it in one proper game
The answer is simple
gilded mason
Nope
versed helm
Thats a shamr
gilded mason
It's still there for some terms
terse lava
"Neural physics"
astral dust
Does the Covenant have "mass"? Or time for prayer?
gilded mason
I imagine so
astral dust
Cool beans
versed helm
How old is Rtas?
gilded mason
72 in 2559
versed helm
The things id do to have that Boy back in a Halo game 😔
terse lava
@astral dusti do recall in halo wars 1 log mentions a covenant victory being celebrated. Sangheili and jiralhanae were to attend prayer and fast for for the next 2 "rest periods" and unggoy/kig-yar rations were eliminated for that time too
gilded mason
and unggoy/kig-yar were eliminated for that time too
Wait what?
astral dust
I see
terse lava
No, starved
gilded mason
...Oh
terse lava
Least that's how I read it all these years
astral dust
Only cool Covenant Races are 1.) Swagheili 2.) Jiralhanae
terse lava
Here we go
Edict of the Office of the High Prophet of RegretEdit
Unlock Condition: Complete a game on Terminal Moraine.
Let the Victory of Epsilon Indi be celebrated by fasting and prayer. Unggoy and Kig-Yar food rations to be eliminated for the next three work periods. Sangheili and Jiralhanae to spend two rest periods in public prayer. All attend the public monitors at the sounding of five bells to observe the execution of those who failed their duty at the Victory.
astral dust
Sweet!
gilded mason
Yeah, based on that context, it'd be the "fasting" portion of the celebration
terse lava
I imagine though there likly would be something akin to mass though
Also find this one a tad interesting as it comments the Covenant have found a handful of shield worlds
Deeds, Vol. IIIEdit
Unlock Condition: Collect Black Box in Mission 12.
The Shield World that Regret intended to activate was one of just a few that the Covenant had uncovered in the quest for the Halos. These treasure chests of technology enabled the Covenant to quickly gain access to advanced weaponry and space propulsion systems, allowing them to dominate the galaxy.
terse lava
I saw that too
gilded mason
Glad that part was retconned. 😋
terse lava
Well these days it could be seen as " allowed them to dominate the Orion arm and other areas of the galaxy"
remote spruce
retconned? how
gilded mason
Yeah
retconned? how
Warfleet clarified that the Covenant controlled the Orion Arm and had forward outposts elsewhere
terse lava
Old lore had the Covenant controlling almost the whole galaxy
remote spruce
oh, that's good
so how does one fail in a victory
like, a grunt running away in combat and wasn't shot on sight?
terse lava
Cowardance I guess
One final one before bed, one I think people often forget about
Punished Deeds, Vol. IIIEdit
Unlock Condition: Complete a game with the Arbiter as your leader.
The new Arbiter was almost immediately tested. An installation of the Ancients near remnants of a massive space installation that was thought to contain a "key," an object that was believed could be used to activate technology. The installation was heavily defended by a growing faction of Elites who did not agree with the ways of the new Prophets. The Arbiter killed them in a battle that raged for days. A key was never found, but the dissident movement was silenced.
gilded mason
So at least one faction that rebelled against Truth and co
And we saw the price of publically going against them
terse lava
Quite early too, and the key is interesting. Oddly similar to a certain other "key"
gilded mason
zap
terse lava
Far as I know the key has never been expanded on
bright briar
Perhaps it was used as a hoax, since it was never found, to make the Covenant more cautious as they could've had powerful artifacts.
glossy vapor
Is there a reason why almost all elites cant go toe to toe with a spartan? Less training? Physically weaker? Dumber?
astral dust
@glossy vapor Spartans are more agile, smaller bodies and center of gravities etc. There are a LOT of Sangheili that have and could kick any spartan butt.
glossy vapor
Well thats good to hear. I havent had time to delve into the lore, so ive only ever seen elites get it handed to 'em
remote tapir
Elites are literally 8ft space samurai / ninjas
Their planet is literally .3 gs heavier then earth
jade axle
@glossy vapor However, most Spartan 2, 3, and 4s can defeat a single Elite due to their use of upgrade-able power armour, chemical modification and simulated AI combat. The Elites cannot upgrade their bodies.
Combat experience also helps e.g. John-117
glossy vapor
Interesting! Does genetic augmentation go against the elites honor code or religion, or are they literally incapable of upgrading themselves
jade axle
There are some instances of Covenant members (mostly San-Shyuum) augmenting themselves but no Elite has ever done this as far as I know. The honour code would probably stop this from happening as it would be viewed as an unnatural advantage in battle.
versed helm
Other than the Prelates,did the Covenant ever thought about creating their own cybernetically and biologically enhanced super soldiers?
Something akin to the Spartans
Tbh,it would've been awesome to fight a cybernetically and biologically enhanced Sangheili or Jiralhanae
safe siren
I think the only one is the Augmented brute in Odd one Out, but that's not canon, so...
We could see them with the Created tho
meager owl
oh please, every novel written in the time bungie owned halo is canon, halo 3's ending was the true ending as chief went into cryo and stay there forever. then 343 took over, made 4 ( which is pretty good of a game ) and changed everything!
safe siren
Odd one Out has a Dinosaur eating a spartan fighting a DBZ Brute...
meager owl
i mean, come on! the covenant were dormant when chief went into cryo, now they found the ship which chief was on and cortana woke him up! the #$&%!
humble yacht
Bungie had actually brainstormed a version of Halo 4 before ultimately deciding to make Halo Reach
terse lava
Yea...halo 3 was not the end
abstract venture
Nah the covenant still controls the galaxy, Warfleet didn't retcon nothin
terse lava
They likely control it in the sense they are the largest and more powerful civilization, but they have not expanded to every arm of the galaxy.like the forerunners did.
abstract venture
They did, their goal was to find the Halos which were distributed evenly throughout the galaxy and they searched heavily for them
terse lava
You have some sources for that?
abstract venture
gotchu hold on
"For long periods of time, the Covenant scoured the galaxy for Halo, finding many lost Forerunner installations and relics along the way."
"The Covenant, as an empire, dominated much of the galaxy, though they would generally leave a world untouched unless it offered particular treasures, whether practical or religious."
From the waypoint page for the covenant
humble yacht
I don’t see how that quote shows the covenant still controls the galaxy
abstract venture
Wdym?
humble yacht
Nah the covenant still controls the galaxy, Warfleet didn't retcon nothin
You said this earlier
abstract venture
The Warfleet quote said something along the lines of humanity and covenant colonized thousands of worlds in the Orion arm
terse lava
There is a difference between "controlling" and exploring the galaxy. First strike implies there are covenant territory outside of the Orion arm, but it seems to be mostly far flung outposts/refuel stations
abstract venture
That doesn't retcon the covenant also being in the rest of the galaxy
The Orion arm is just mentioned alot since thats where humanity and most of the setting is
But the quote I wrote states that the covenant owned most of the galaxy
Also in Mortal Dictata some jackals state the covenant had galaxy wide infrastructure, like refueling stations
terse lava
I did say that already
The first strike does say Tuth's was called from.didferent areas of the galaxy
The covenant was indeed vast, but as far as we know, they lacked the same control over the galaxy the forerunners did
abstract venture
Yeah they likely didn't have anywhere near as many colonies, but in terms of area they covered most of the galaxy
terse lava
Fair I guess
Hm, reading over cole protocol, wondering how far back Thel's ancestor, Ther, lived?
wicked rampart
When did the human-covenant war start?
humble yacht
2525?
wicked rampart
Yes you are right thank you
obsidian thistle
There is debates on what the first actual first Contact was however. Halo Wars has a possible early 2524 date and Contact Harvest has another.
lavish vapor
So John killed Regret, Thel killed Truth, and technically The Gravemind killed Mercy. All 3 factions hostile to the covenant got a kill on a hierarch. Anyone think that was intentional or just a happy coincidence?
terse lava
On purpose
ancient ledge
On purpose. Most writers/ devs structure what's going to happen before everything else
humble yacht
But is Regret’s death at Chief’s hands nullified by the Gravemind absorbing Regret?
ancient ledge
you could say the same about arbiter killing truth as the gravemind was eating him
versed helm
Chief did kill him, the big flood boi just brought him back
ancient ledge
chief still technically defeated him since it was that fight that cause the hierarchs not to trust the elites
gravemind was just eating scraps like he always does
versed helm
truth did use regrets death as a justification to replace the squid boys
gilded mason
chief still technically defeated him since it was that fight that cause the hierarchs not to trust the elites```
That was just a pretense for Truth.ye
gilded mason
He had already ordered the Brutes on Earth to kill any Elites that remained there.
versed helm
but it was thanks to chief he ended up doing it
he had the excuse
on high charity and other covie places ofcourse
ancient ledge
right i know it was already sorta planned for truth
versed helm
on earth the squid boys were silenced
gilded mason
right i know it was already sorta planned for truth
Basically fully planned. Since for quite a while, Truth had been manufacturing more powerful weapons and ships for Brutes in secret.