Those thousands of troops needed to have been fighting the flood
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
quiet umbra
lore: Thel Vadam was a master tactician
versed helm
Since before the mission 343 Guilty Spartk
quiet umbra
also lore: covvies completely bungled IO4 lmao
terse lava
Ah misunderstood @versed helm
versed helm
Well, Halo 2 more or less says that Thel lost 04 because he wisely chose to focus on fighting the Flood
and did not contribute many resources to eliminating the humans
gilded mason
also lore: covvies completely bungled IO4 lmao```
They tried to get sorta around that by having the Prophet of the fleet bungling Thel's attempts at strategy.Yea, humans quickly became an afterthought once the flood popped up
quiet umbra
also Thel is big on glassing and space combat
and for obvious reasons he couldn't glass halo
versed helm
Right. And Infinite Succour seems to show the Flood only popping up... at about the time Alpha came under attack? A fair bit earlier?
quiet umbra
they were forced into a ground war where humans had the advantage
versed helm
No they didn't.
The UNSC's only advantage on that ring should've been stealth.
And, of course, Chief.
versed helm
The UNSC having something like an advantage in ground combat only works if there's relatively even numbers.
And under defensive conditions, typically.
Don't make out like the Covenant were an inferior fighting force on the ground because, frankly, it isn't true.
It's just that technology difference can only account for so much.
gilded mason
Yeah.
quiet umbra
I still think UNSC canonically has superior ground tactics and were able to consistently outplay covies in terrestrial combat
they lose the space game
gilded mason
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terse lava
Even on the ground humanity was getting their butt kicked
gilded mason
I still think UNSC canonically has superior ground tactics
For the first couple months of the war, yes.
versed helm
Actually, it seems like the Covenant only identified the location of Alpha Base... just a little bit after the Flood were released.
carmine sleet
Plasma is far more effective against ground troops of the UNSC than bullets were against the Covenant's
versed helm
Which means Infinite Succour doesn't violate what I was saying.
gilded mason
Ah, so things still work out, Looters?
versed helm
I believe so.
Just need to figure out why the Covenant couldn't spot Alpha from space.
I don't think it was implied to be a particularly stealthy base
Doesn't seem that way in Raven
gilded mason
Like, through thermal imaging and similar stuff?
versed helm
Yeah. Hyperscanning, even.
quiet umbra
"On June 1, 2536, the Covenant finally broke into the Inner colonies. From this point on, the war ground on in a predictable pattern; costly victories on the ground for UNSC forces, and near total Covenant space superiority."
source: halo outpost discovery
this was midpoint in the war
versed helm
Also worth remembering that the UNSC did have a little groundside trump-card.
gilded mason
They probably took that line from here:
The war fell into a predictable pattern; Humans won isolated battles, usually during ground engagements, but always at great, great cost.
This means they only won rare, lone battles. And of those lone battles, it was more often that they were ground engagements instead of ship battles.
versed helm
So apparently
And I'm embarrassed to have forgotten this
Alpha Base was actually, uh, taken from the Covenant to begin with
stoic hamlet
Itâs important to note that even if they âwonâ on the ground they still lost.
versed helm
So I'm a little confused as to how they weren't able to eviscerate it before the Flood got out
terse lava
Yep, covenant had it first
stoic hamlet
Yeah. McKay takes it while Silva plays Napoleon
quiet umbra
usually the covenant would get bogged down in ground battles and would resort to glassing
ye
that was reach in a nutshell
stoic hamlet
Whatâs this not being able to find it?
IIRC they always knew where it was, they just couldnât directly assault it until the Stealth âleet attack.
versed helm
Why?
terse lava
AA guns
stoic hamlet
Well, they tried assaulting it earlier, IIRC
But they were repelled
Also them, yeah
quiet umbra
one of the largest UNSC victories was Torpedo actually
it more than tripled the time it took Covenant carriers to refuel and return to the inner colonies
quiet umbra
effectively buying humanity a ton of time
terse lava
12 vessels I believe
versed helm
All CCS?
terse lava
10 cruisers and 2 carriers
versed helm
Would those carriers be CAS?
terse lava
One was
versed helm
Right, so we know that at minimum the Covenant on 04 had 40,000 troops.
terse lava
The other...eh?
terse lava
Well one carrier only had 100 sangheili on it
quiet umbra
"the fleet that destroyed reach was 50 times this size"
versed helm
Land a couple thousand of those dudes out of range of the 50 mils
terse lava
Everything else was huragok
versed helm
So you're telling me that the actual ground contingent of Covenant troops at 04 was like
terse lava
Hood was using hyperbole
versed helm
Not that significant
quiet umbra
Doesn't auntie dot put the actual number at about 190
terse lava
Had they k ow they were going to a halo, likely would have been hundreds
@quiet umbraunless it was retconned, believe it was stated 365 covenant vessels hit reach under the command of 'Vadamee
terse lava
He uses hyperbole, "glassed half a continent"
quiet umbra
(also F in geology)
versed helm
So all those vessels would need to be under-staffed
But you're telling me that there's a good chance they were
versed helm
I mean, a CCS still carries 2,500 warriors and twice that in thralls.
terse lava
It was apparently ment to refit
terse lava
The Seeker of Truth, thel's own vessel was a normal CAS
versed helm
Ado, how many ground troops in total do you believe the Covenant had at 04?
versed helm
The point I'm making is that if they had that many
They should have been able to sweep Alpha Base aside very quickly
AA guns or no
Like, if AA guns were enough to stop a Covenant fleet from attacking a hill, then the Covenant would never take a human city.
hasty locust
Lol
versed helm
Just land outside their range and take it from the ground
hasty locust
Well they didnât know where it was did they?
versed helm
Apparently they did
hasty locust
Or yâknow, simply glass it
versed helm
And apparently the Flood weren't occupying them either
terse lava
The guns were hardly the issue, just one reason. The main reason the covenant didnt just wipe the place away was because they were busy
versed helm
Well, there's no way they would use ship weapons on a ring @hasty locust
That is one of their huge, canonical flaws as a faction
hasty locust
True, true
gilded mason
The local Minister was a bit of a pious man
hasty locust
Well alpha base was in a forerunner structure right?
terse lava
It was yes
versed helm
So they wouldn't destroy it. But they would send hordes of dudes in.
hasty locust
So maybe they didnât wanna throw too much troops/armor at it in risk of damaging the structure
versed helm
@terse lava What were they busy with, tho
hasty locust
Yeah what looters said
versed helm
If Infinite Succour was the first time the fleet at large became aware of the Flood
Then they would've just been
I dunno
terse lava
Well, they found a halo ring, the gateway to the heavenly afterlife
versed helm
And there's a bunch of humans on that ring, killing your dudes, violating your holy relics
terse lava
We know some cruisers before the arrival of the autumn were scanning the ring and gathering artifacts
hasty locust
Dues vult button, lol
terse lava
To find out of the ring was a military matter under thel, or religious under the minister
And neither of those 1 could come to an agreement
Thel wanted to wipe out the humans
The minister wanted to gather relics and considered thel's orders invalid
versed helm
I just think it'd be better if Infinite Succour was retconned to be occurring at about the time the Autumn was arriving.
In fact
It'd make a lot of sense
I can believe that Thel would be a competent enough officer to keep the Flood from spreading while the first few levels are playing out
terse lava
The minister had abused his authority so badly, that thel himself along with a team were going to thr minister's vessel to physically remove him right before rtas returned from the infinitr
versed helm
It would take a lot of troops and a lot of caution, but he could do it
Of course, all it takes is one sneaky gang of marines followed by one unstoppable killing machine to compromise one of the Flood's potential outlets
And wham, it's all gone to heck
Like, that theory makes a particularly great deal of sense given that, y'know. The Library was already overrun by the time Chief teleported there.
hasty locust
Yeah
terse lava
Indeed, had keyes not interfered the flood would likely have been contained to a general area
terse lava
Hm?
versed helm
Actually y'know what
I'm gonna consult Mythos
It says
Nothing of use
Actually uh
I think my proposed retcon might've already happened
In the DE version of The Flood
gilded mason
Oh?
terse lava
Hmđ¤¨
obsidian thistle
Oh I forgot that was on the wiki.
versed helm
Halopedia seems to think, on account of that, that the whole debacle with the Infinite Succour occurred on the first day of the battle
Not the second
Sorry the third...
Ah. I see my mistake.
The timeline on Halopedia is incomplete.
But the point does stand.
obsidian thistle
*Its being worked on.
versed helm
Forget the thing about the days, but the Infinite Succour thing stands.
Actually, no it doesn't
obsidian thistle
Huh? Whats the retcon?
versed helm
Whoah, ignore me. I'm just getting to grips with this.
terse lava
Ok?
versed helm
Apparently this happened
Unknown time (post-space battle): Minor Prophet orders artifact retrieval teams led by Loka 'Bandolee and Sesa 'Refumee to investigate the gas mines of Threshold. Fleet master 'Vadamee issues a transmission ordering all military forces to be concentrated on the human threat. The Prophet sends secondary and tertiary teams to a Flood containment facility, and prepares to send a fourth following their loss of contact. 'Vadamee issues a second ordeer to no response from the Prophet, leading to his deployment of a single infantry unit to the carrier. Ascendant Justice shoots down the craft, and the Prophet warns that future interference will be met with the same fate.[10]
That's pretty intense
I'm starting to understand now
terse lava
đ
obsidian thistle
*Note there is still debates if John was the one to release the Flood or not.
versed helm
I doubt it.
I think Keyes was certainly partially responsible
But there were Flood outside the facility
You can hear them roaring and firing automatic weapons
obsidian thistle
And I mean that by deactivating security during the search for the Cartographer.
obsidian thistle
We have no idea how the security works.
versed helm
The Forerunners likely wouldn't put a button on a security station that just releases the flood.
Also
According to the timeline
The Minor Prophet aboard the Ascendant Justice is probably to blame
terse lava
So....the covenant are not to blame?
versed helm
Since he was sending troops to artefact locations which were disappearing
Like, on the day the PoA arrived
terse lava
The San shyuum have never been wise when it comes to the flood
versed helm
Well, it makes a little more sense
The Ascendant Justice Prophet was having some kind of total freak-out
gilded mason
Th-Thanks, Stewardship...
terse lava
He was nuts
versed helm
If only this was all made more obvious somewhere
It's actually a pretty interesting narrative
terse lava
It was first shown in "The Flood" where he forbids orna from firing on the autumn
versed helm
Like, it turns out the Covenant were fighting the Flood the whole time
But it was only like half the Covenant, under the command of the Prophet
Who wasn't communicating with Thel
gilded mason
A lovely clustermuck
versed helm
Makes it pretty ironic that Thel was asked if he was blinded or dumbstruck by the ring's majesty.
Because uh
obsidian thistle
Well again, we only have evidence the Flood started doing their thing "after" the aforementioned security went down. (alas its something we may never have the full story off.)
versed helm
Looks like a certain boi was very much struck dumb
obsidian thistle
Least be said. People on all sides messed up.
terse lava
Hey @obsidian thistle speaking of this, whenn you enter the control room, various areas of the ring are flashing orange. Was this ever confirmed as flood infection?
terse lava
I knew it was land, but could have sworn areas there had a more orange hue on the land
obsidian thistle
Well lets say they are a stronger shade of land.
terse lava
Eh ok
terse lava
Heh
obsidian thistle
Just so we are on the same page. That is what you mean right
terse lava
Yes
versed helm
Really does look like it might be displaying something else
terse lava
In the past thought that might be flood infection all over the ring but never knew for sure
versed helm
But if it was a representation of the Flood you might expect them to be spreading through any substructures beneath the ocean
obsidian thistle
Yea. I was under the impression it may just be an attempt to show land mass and height on a flat surface.
obsidian thistle
Cause fun fact that is the same texture in CE. (I know this cause I studied that map a lot in CE/CEA to map Halo. FYI you cant)
And Bungie had to make do with lower poly counts.
terse lava
Oh yea, you can tell it's the same one
terse lava
How high do you think the forerunners allowed other races to get?
terse lava
Yea but humans and san shyuum were outside the forerunner sphere of influence
gilded mason
(It's a weed joke)
gilded mason
đ
gilded mason
Embrace it
versed helm
I would
terse lava
Join us on our great journey of lore
versed helm
But y'all don't know what I'm talking about or care when I fly into a rant about UNSC small arms ammo inconsistency and MAC power scaling
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
You guys get the benefit of
"Lmao, we're just high tech lol"
"Don't need to explain it"
But I'm here going
terse lava
hums innocently
gilded mason
"neural physics"
versed helm
How can 60 7.62 NATO cartridges fit in an MA5B
How can a SMAC over Reach fire a 3,000 ton slug at 4% of light speed
Why Nylund
terse lava
Why notđ
versed helm
I mean on the second count
terse lava
Besides we got the short end too
versed helm
It's because that would make the UNSC more advanced than the Covenant by a long shot
Which is dumb
terse lava
Can no longer turn every sq centimeter of a planet to glass
versed helm
I mean with time you could
terse lava
With time yea
versed helm
Time and a lot of ships
terse lava
Yes, old lore allowed a single fleet to do it in hours-days
terse lava
Mad scientist levels maybe
versed helm
And also pressed for time and unsure of Halo's future, probably
And faced with an uncommunicative Bungie
terse lava
Good going bungie
versed helm
Anyway Warfleet does seem to nerf MACs across the board (which is good)
Not that Halopedia will ever admit that
Instead it just has the MAC page which has
Y'know
Nylundian continent-cracker SMACs next to Warfleet's comparatively tiny Cairo that fires a mere "multi-ton" slug at "several" kilometers per second.
Not their fault but it's still frustrating that they have to wait for 343 to say a retcon's a retcon
terse lava
Just shows you good old lore covenant was. Humanity needed continent cracking balls of metal to get even
versed helm
Well I mean
The thing about that scaling
Is that he also gave numbers for frigates - 600 ton slug at 30 kilometers per second. Still totally unreasonable, but thousands upon thousands of times less powerful.
4% light speed, by the by, is 12,000 kilometers per second.
So that implies really strange things about the energy shield scaling of Covenant ships
Basically, each incrementally larger class of Covenant ship would need to have exponentially more powerful shields for anything to make sense.
And the other thing about ultra-powerful Naval weapons is that if you want to have a universe where ground-combat happens, you actually really do need to limit the ability of things from space to just totally obliterate you on the ground
Now, when TFoR came out, it wasn't such a big deal. The only real instance of ground combat Nylund had to work around was the Battle of Installation 04. His precedent was that the only reason the Covenant wouldn't instantly glass a world was because it had something of value to them on it.
But the lore has since left that behind. You don't have single-day glassings anymore, you have extended military campaigns, sprawling battles. Y'know, fun stuff. And in that world, you need to considerably limit the effective range and destructive power of Naval weapons.
The other thing about ultra-powerful Naval weapons is that it's inconsistent with the tech we see in the mitts of the troops on the ground. Sure, the Covenant use fancy handheld plasma weapons, but they're a trade-off. Exceptional close-range lethality, lack of range and accuracy. And the UNSC? Yikes, they're just using old-school deflagration firearms, hooked up with the odd bit of fancy electronics. You're telling me that the factions that equip their infantry like this can respectively glass an entire planet in a day and build a mass driver so powerful it can create a blast 1,000 times more powerful than the greatest atomic bomb ever built on Earth in real life multiple times a minute?
Clearly that wasn't Bungie's intent. Though, obviously, Eric took a real good stab at it given the limited cooperation he received, and he characterized a very interesting universe that was more cerebral than action-orientated. It just wasn't the same universe from the games.
Anyway, that issue is about halfway worked out. We've got the new lore, now we just need to know that the new lore replaces the old lore.
terse lava
Fair point
Call the bungee did say that the only reason humanity as crapy Tech is because they wanted something to be relatable
And Apparently centuries of peace
versed helm
Right. So it's pretty thematically jarring to take the faction characterized by that and give them a SW-level superweapon.
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
Well humans still have the NOVA
versed helm
Don't get me wrong, there is a path through that. You can establish that, y'know, because infantry are normally so irrelevant the arms race left them behind.
The only thing marines usually would do in Nylund's original vision for Halo is fight insurrectionists. Act as MPs.
terse lava
Think that was the case pretty much
versed helm
That universe is an absolutely fascinating one.
But the problem was, it wasn't conducive to an FPS franchise. And especially not an RTS.
I can't help but feel that autocorrect is out of its mind with "conducive"
Oh, apparently it's right huh.
terse lava
Huh odd
versed helm
Aaaaanyway, Bungie made the decision to guide Halo in a more Star Wars-esque direction.
Sprawling battles, epic space opera wars, tacticool military sci-fi.
obsidian thistle
I wouldnt mind that if they didnt follow the old Star War hierarchy of movies first, everything else second or bin.
versed helm
That's why it's important to distinguish Nylund space combat from Bungie space combat.
It's really clear when you think about it.
And that's also why I laugh when people say that 343 made Halo very Star Wars-esque.
I'm like, dude, that's what it's been thematically since, like, Halo 2. Halo 3 for sure.
terse lava
True
versed helm
Blame Bungie for not sticking to TFoR's striking but kinda slow-paced interpretation so they could have epic battles instead of
Y'know
Tiny, contrived flashpoints in a storm of godlike starship firepower where one Spartan can make a difference
terse lava
Didmt halsey in Onyx lampshade that too?
versed helm
What do you mean?
terse lava
I cant remember the line exactly, but in a way she argued "whats the point in fighting someone who can glass planets fully, and commit to interstellar war?"
obsidian thistle
I wouldnt mind a Star Wars scale, but with Star Trek power levels. xD
terse lava
May not have been from ghosts though
"Hey sarge, why are we painting our armor red again?"
versed helm
Well, it'll be interesting to see how all that works out.
Warfleet very much seems to have swung the needle in the direction of Bungie's vision.
But either way the needle swings, it invalidates some sources.
terse lava
Some yes but not all
versed helm
Really
It's epitomized by TFoR versus Reach.
TFor is literally the representation of one direction
Reach the other
versed helm
And it really is a tricky question
Because the appeal of SW with coilguns is, y'know, huge. It's simplistic, it's unrestraining, it's just gosh-darned cool and operatic and actually the more scientifically plausible in this instance.
But Nylund's interpretation actually gave Halo its own identity. I can't think of any other mainstream sci-fi that plays with power in that way and takes a pragmatic view of godlike power.
In the end though, I drift towards Bungie. Simply because if you take Nylund logic into the Battle of Earth as seen in Halo 2 and 3, it gets really silly.
So that's my thoughts on that.
terse lava
Halo 3 might be excused thanks to the brutes
versed helm
The other big Halo thing that tears at my very soul
Is the mother-hubbing lore for UNSC weapons
Like, honestly, if you take the UNSC's guns at face value they're A) really cool looking and B) far from entirely implausible. They're darn good sci-fi guns.
Then some insane person looked at them and went
"Okay, so instead of making them shoot futuristic cartridges that don't exist today, I'm gonna chamber them in real life cartridges that just would not fit in the magazines we see them loaded with and don't make sense to still be in use in 500 years"
Like holy crud dude
obsidian thistle
Nylunds version of Cole was great though.
versed helm
7.62 NATO?! Talk about a total failure to futureproof your universe. 7.62 NATO is literally already being replaced
terse lava
Well bungie did only plan one game
quiet umbra
with what
terse lava
The book was to support that one game
quiet umbra
are you talking about the new 6.8
versed helm
You've got 6.8mm rounds being adopted by the US Army as their baseline, 6.5mm Creedmoor stealing 7.62's thunder as a precision round, and .338 Norma Magnum taking over for GPMGs.
It's like
versed helm
I mean they seem pretty dead-set that it's gonna be there when 5.56 gets phased out.
quiet umbra
absolutely not dude
versed helm
Have you been paying attention to the NGSW trials?
It's happenin' my dude
It might not be this wave
But eventually they're gonna decide that they need a round that keeps its momentum better at long range and has more mass
And that round is gonna be in the 6-7mm vicinity
versed helm
There have been legit issues with the 5.56 in the middle east
It's really good for close-range AP
But it just doesn't have the effective range
And it's really lookin' like they ain't going to go back to the old .30-based cartridges
Which the 7.62 NATO is one of
Just because it recoils too hard and isn't ballistically optimal anymore
We've achieved a better balance
quiet umbra
okay but does it really matter what cartridges guns in Halo use
the .50 cal uses PTRD rounds
13.7 from ww2
quiet umbra
The Magnum uses something cartoonish and not real like .60AE or something
it's high concept sci fi
quiet umbra
I have to assume recoil compensation tech in Halo just fuckin' rocks
versed helm
It's so ungodly powerful it needs a magnetic-fluid based recoil reduction system.
quiet umbra
because 8 gauge wooooooo boy
versed helm
It's not a typical combat shotgun
it's a legit heavy weapon
A CQC-deterrent, if you will
The shotgun is actually pretty fine by me
quiet umbra
the M60 pistol is like a weird opposite of current military doctrine with the M9
versed helm
I don't think the SRS has any issues at all - I don't see any reason why 14.5mm wouldn't make a good platform for a powerful APFSDS round
Hypothetically, if you wanted a step up from .50 BMG, that's where you'd go
quiet umbra
well I mean the M9 was adopted by the FBI because they wanted a double stack pistol that could be reliably used by female agents
versed helm
Only issue is the mag should be able to hold more rounds
quiet umbra
and the army followed suit
terse lava
Oh this still going
carmine sleet
Because you mentioned the recoil, X, it's important to remember that you play as Spartans in the game, who are much stronger than a normal human and so are much better at controlling recoil
versed helm
Hey, you've had your elite talk Ado
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
Now it's time for the gun nerds to have our day
quiet umbra
I mean for general use though I mean the MA-37 shoots 7.62
you need your guns to be usable by average people
versed helm
The MA5-series makes sense as a battle rifle. If you assume that they don't fire 7.62 NATO, but some proprietary UNSC cartridge that happens to fire a 7.62x51mm projectile, and makes that projectile work because the recoil reduction systems in the weapon let them push it out faster.
Maybe 7.62 is just the best platform for AP that also has decent terminal ballistics against soft targets
The problem with that
quiet umbra
I just assume the bullets are way too big because their recoil comp tech is way better than IRL
so why not
versed helm
Is that the weapon has no sights or optics, relying on projected ironsights via HUD or weapon-based holo-projector
If it's meant to work as a full-scale battle rifle type weapon
It should always have optics
The BR got it right
quiet umbra
well space management but no one in the halo canon has ever given a single thought about "thing too big"
so y'know who cares
versed helm
The saving grace for the MA5
Is that lore emphasizes it's optimized for automatic fire at close range
versed helm
But why use 7.62x51 if you're emphasizing close range and why make the weapon 1m long - it's a bullpup the length of an M16, that is a sniper rifle barrel
It's a tad confusing is all
versed helm
I guess you can rationalize it by saying it was developed as an all-round battle rifle but because of the Covenant it was forced into use at close range where its recoil reduction systems helped it
And the UNSC just never phased it out
Because it was decent in the role
Despite not being technically optimal
quiet umbra
I mean the UNSC adopted a similar battle doctrine to Warhammer 40k it's just "go big or go home"
versed helm
Well, fair enough, you've helped me talk myself through this.
343 needs to retcon the cartridge though.
All the main visual depictions imply 7.62 NATO.
quiet umbra
imo the cartridge should be what the logical IRL equivalent would be but a step up
versed helm
Well, you've talked me through my issues pertaining to the 32-round capacity MA5s, to be specific.
quiet umbra
12 gauge? nah 8 gauge
versed helm
The MA5B is still a freakin' mystery to me
quiet umbra
.50AE? NAH .60AE
versed helm
That thing can't fire anything even slightly related to 7.62
I would say the 60-round capacity is just gameplay
quiet umbra
50.cal? nah heres some old soviet anti-tank round 13.7 thats substantially bigger than .50cal
versed helm
But Silent Storm actually seemed to reaffirm that the 60-round magazine was a thing
Which is
Not the right directon
quiet umbra
Pretty sure it's just because the M82 Pulse Rifle in Alien had 60 rounds
and more than anything else Halo is inspired by Aliens
versed helm
Basically, 343 need to make the MA5B not fire whatever the MA5C, MA5D and MA37 do.
Maybe some kind of
Flachette
An AP flachette round with a small cartridge, maybe relating to the BR55's ammo, loaded in some kind of casket magazine
As for the BR55
Well I mean, the magazine is also nonsensical
quiet umbra
think the Halo Infinite AR is literally the MA-37 or some new army variant
versed helm
They need to make it stacked 2x2. Like two magazines back-to-front.
quiet umbra
I think it's a little off
versed helm
It'd work because the rounds are short
Problem is
The actual magazine we see is
Shaped like an L
It's a huge baseplate
And then a tiny actual magazine
quiet umbra
it's too short and space inefficient
versed helm
Which doesn't make sense because the BR85 fires the same round and isn't that
Alright 343, pay attention the nerdy, angry man cried into the Discord void
Here's your list of UNSC ammo retcons
- Make the UNSC's 7.62 their own 7.62, not 7.62 NATO
- Make the MA5B fire some cartridge that could actually feasibly work with its magazine in the in-game quantity
- Have the BR55 feed from the BR85's mag, and have that mag be 2x2 stacked like one of those old SPIW-project flachette gun mags from like the 1960s
Bam, problem solved
@gilded mason @terse lava You may have your channel back now
gilded mason
but now it's stinky
terse lava
sigh I will get the mop
versed helm
The spacemop
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
Oh no, the mop has a name, Yayap
gilded mason
It mops at .2c
gilded mason
For tough stains
quiet umbra
do we know who's writing infinite
gilded mason
I think there was something about the narrative director being the guy that did Arkham City?
quiet umbra
Oh good I don't like the Arkham games at all
versed helm
Isn't 
like, the franchise writer now
quiet umbra
well I liked Asylum
versed helm
Or a franchise writer
gilded mason
Think so
quiet umbra
Reed?
versed helm
Yeesh
gilded mason
Grim.
versed helm
He's been outta here for a while that poor Reed chap
gilded mason
Hope that means more not-straight Elites.
quiet umbra
imo Infinite is going to be delayed
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
Does Reed being gone signal some kind of hinge-head mardi gras?
gilded mason
Just making a joke since Grim's a Covie fan
quiet umbra
less than a year before release and we still don't even know if the game has advanced mobility or not
not a second of gameplay
terse lava
We will likely good a good thing at e3
versed helm
Postums called this year "the year of Halo Infinite"
quiet umbra
Compare Infinite's total secrecy with the raw confidence of something like Doom Eternal
versed helm
Go figure
gilded mason
Though I hope we get a flight soon.
quiet umbra
Confidence speaks of quality
Infinite has no confidence to speak of in terms of what we've scene
versed helm
Kill me
gilded mason
Okey. Be right there
gilded mason
Why is the filter still active
versed helm
Well yeah, X, point taken.
quiet umbra
They're different games sure but y'know some games you can tell just by looking at them and how confidently they show themselves off
versed helm
But
They're also games in very different circumstances.
For instance, Infinite is a property of Microsoft who wants to drum up hype for the Series X.
Infinite was developed alongside a new engine.
343 have made a commitment to mitigate crunch, and the need for an E3 showing is a large factor in crunch.
Doom Eternal had nothing to prove.
quiet umbra
I'm not saying Halo needs to market itself like Doom, but what I am saying is that when Doom Eternal was shown at Quakecon 2018 it became the fastest selling game of all time on Amazon despite being a pre-order
that sort of confidence in gameplay sells copies, very quickly in fact
versed helm
Trust me
Halo Infinite stuff
Will come out as fast as Series X stuff does
It'll be totally synchronous
quiet umbra
also theres that news of 2 creative directors leaving this late into development
and while it's not necesarily bad news- it's not good news
versed helm
It's just news
And any news at this point is something worth scrambling for
The community is being totally starved right now
MCC on PC is like, our one lifeline. No books, no Infinite news, nothing new.
If it weren't for, like, Warcraft 3 Reforged coming out soon I think I might actually go insane
And I imagine I'm not the only one who's been forcing themselves to focus more on other games to make the wait bearable
So naturally, a fairly benign departure from 343 was turned into a huge hoo-ha.
terse lava
looks at stellaris not wrong
versed helm
Shame Sins of the Prophets for Stellaris is out of date
SoTP proper just got a huge update tho
Too bad I'm terrible at it
Syke time to spam Viery-class ODPs
quiet umbra
I'm not gonna have my PS4 from April-August and the original plan was to play Cyberpunk of the laptop but now that's gone
so Doom it is
gilded mason
He's the key to all of this.
versed helm
Jar
COME ON 343
WHY IS THE GOSH DARNED GUNGAN ON THE LIST
WHY IS THE LIST EVEN A THING
gaunt oakBOT
gilded mason
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
terse lava
Hm
quiet umbra
bruh
terse lava
Hm?
quiet umbra
thats not even a swear
terse lava
Likely considered "bypassing" the filter
terse lava
Careful
How about this for a talk, if you could add a faction to the the current era, what would it be
quiet umbra
ONI
they're pretty objectively evil and now that humanity isn't in imminent danger of extinction they'd be more inclined to operate outside of or even against the UNSC
terse lava
I should have phrased that differently, your own faction
pale quest
I find it kinda weird female Spartans do not undergo mastectomy. Surely with all the augmentations they'd want to remove things that might impede movement or even interfere with armour fitment.
stoic hamlet
Wut?
It wouldnât impede movement
You donât see modern day female soldiers undergoing it.
Or female warriors in the past.
pale quest
This is not a soldier, this is human past it's evolutionary peak. They'd need absolutely nothing that might impede them or cause discomfort. You're right they won't impede movement if they're restricted but that causes discomfort after a while. Even under restrictive clothing they still move, they would need to be under some sort of bind to be completely still. Unless it can be explained away with "26th century clothing is comfy and restrictive with no downsides"
Also as I said armour fitment is impeded. If you look at female spartans their chest armour is no bigger than the male variant. They have to accommodate the breasts which means that chest plate is thinner.
stoic hamlet
They wear a skintight suit underneath the armour, you know that right?
Also, all Spartan IIâs and IIIâs underwent augmentations during or before puberty. There wouldnât really be anything there to begin with as their overall growth hasnât occurred yet. (If it actually continues, itâs not a subject most are willing to touch)
IVâs were augmented as adults, and arenât going to want to sacrifice that element of their body, shall we say, and thereâs no seeming need to remove them anyways.
On the last point
pale quest
Yes I do know that. The fact that it's skin tight just furthers my point that they would feel discomfort after a while.
Especially with a heavy metal chest plate weighing down on top as well
I feel like I can say the same for the men. How are they at 100% effectiveness with their nads restricted like that?
stoic hamlet
We know thereâs materials in-use by the UNSC that allow for incredibly thin armour with much better protection compared to modern day gear.
Actually, case in point, Sergeant Lopez, a female Marine, takes a burst from an MA5B directly to her chest plate and the bullets donât penetrate, and thatâs standard Marine armour. ODST gear is more protective, SPI even moreso, and MJOLNIR moreso on top of that.
The size and bulk of armour doesnât account for its protective value. Even a techsuit is incredibly protective to the point, (IIRC) modern small arms would have no real effect or be able to penetrate.
MJOLNIR armour is also self supporting, so thereâd be no issues with support, and the other aforementioned armours arenât difficult to wear either. Itâs similar to Knight armour. Weight is distributed evenly over the entire body making it feel much lighter.
pale quest
Ehh doesn't seem plausible. Just sounds like "future tech makes it ok". Sensitive body parts will always be sensitive, no matter how good the tech is. A restrictive full body armour is going to make them uncomfortable no matter what.
Oh well it was just a random thought I had, I know there's no real answer since it's not something they'd want to shine a light on in the franchise. It's bad enough kidnapping kids without chopping body parts off.
stoic hamlet
I mean it probably would be sensitive, but Spartans probably donât care. They can push through the pain of traumatic injuries (sometimes) so some sensitivity probably doesnât phase them. Basically all of the IIâs and IIIâs feel alien and uncomfortable outside their armour anyways, implying even if they were sensitive, itâs something they deal with so constantly that they prefer it. (Potentially).
astral dust
In Halo 2 are the red Sangheili majors?
stoic hamlet
Yes
astral dust
Thank you
gilded mason
Yes
astral dust
Honor Guard best Guard
gilded mason
More like major cool guys
versed helm
If Elites are playable in infinite I hope we get the Honor Guard armor
That would be Gucci
astral dust
Yep. Or atleast customization like MCC
gilded mason
I could see it being a bit tactically...unfortunate
The helmet prongs sticking up out of your cover, and all that
versed helm
True,but itâs a sacrifice Iâm willing to make if it means I get that beautiful armor
stoic hamlet
Itâs not meant for frontline combat. Ye
astral dust
Beat Halo CE today...gonna be real honest. Do not like it.
stoic hamlet
CE?
gilded mason
Celery Excellent
stoic hamlet
Itâs definitely an older breed of shooter. Itâs IMO most notable in the sections on the Truth and Reconciliation, and the PoA.
Not a bad thing IMO
But thatâs where itâs most notable.
astral dust
The library.... Disliked it, The Maw...
Really makes you hate the flood that is for sure.
Now time for Halo 2
terse lava
Not too many enjoyed either of those, though I liked the maw due to trying to help the covenant fight off the flood in the hallway
Good luck on halo 2
hasty locust
Ha
terse lava
Why the laugh?
hasty locust
You as the master chief enjoyed protecting the covenant, cause youâre ado I wouldnât of thought anything else lol
I bet if you go to hell your torture would be mowing down countless elites lol
Just got a chuckle outta that
terse lava
Was better then fighting the flood alone
hasty locust
But then you didnât have to kill covvies
terse lava
Dont have to kill them anyway
Just go through the opposite doors and mad dash to the engine room
terse lava
Curious, how would the final battles of the covenant war have gone had the flood never broke quarantine
potent cargo
Indeed @terse lava it has been too long
How are you
and it's a rather shame the flood broke out from their quarantine
crimson rune
im fine and u?
potent cargo
Excellent ty for asking
terse lava
Doing well
crimson rune
The flood can't infect the engineers?
potent cargo
Well the engineers aren't actual biological per say weren't they made by the forerunners as synthetic beings?
crimson rune
is like a machine whit cells
terse lava
They are synthetic creatures yes
primal dagger
nerds
crimson rune
is a plasma pistol brute more powerful than normal plasma pistol?
primal dagger
i'd assume so
terse lava
I don't there even was a brute variant of the plasma pistol
primal dagger
i think he/she meant the plasma gun thingie that heats up and is one handed i forgot what its called lol
gilded mason
Plasma Rifle
primal dagger
uh yes i believe
i mean i believe it heats up faster than the reg plasma rifle, so i'd believe it do more damage
potent cargo
I mean a rifle by definition is stronger than a pistol
crimson rune
i think that is more quickly the regular version
terse lava
Ah well yea the brute plasma rifle does output more damage then a regular one
primal dagger
so i guess its kinda how you look at it
you want more speed and more damage, but less ammo, or less speed and less damage, but more ammo
terse lava
Well just drains the battery faster
primal dagger
yeah thats what i meant by ammo
terse lava
Ah
primal dagger
im trash at words
terse lava
Know that feeling
crimson rune
I have a question for all of you or those who want to answer xd, did you like to use the halo 4 adhesive detonator?
zinc drift
It had it's uses, but I would exactly call it memorable. Now if we were talking about the Binary Rifle, that would be an entirely different kettle of fish.
*wouldn't
quiet umbra
the pistol?
I preferred the Reach grenade launcher but both were never exactly top tier weapons
I just like the size of the GL
Reclaimer saga in general is alot more lightweight and streamlined than OG Halo but I like the bulky aesthetic more
major exception to the Mantis, I don't know a single person that doesn't love the Mantis
late sorrel
quite curious, when it comes to Promethean weapons, and maybe Prometheans themselve, which game do y'all think they handled them best, 4 or 5?
quiet umbra
Uhh Halo 5's generic soldier prometheans were abysmal imo so I much prefer them in 4 with the variety of knights as the focus
with weapons they're about the same imo but Halo 4 is kind of a continuation of Reach's combat and armor abilities
whereas I do not like 5's rather sheepish attempt to trend chase with advanced mobility
Granted 4 has pretty bad multiplayer imo
but I play the games primarily for single player and 4's is actually good imo
I mean in general I just think Halo 5 did possibly irreparable damage to the franchise and wrote the entire reclaimer saga into a corner
kindred linden
I still think they should have made forerunners ancient humans
carmine sleet
I'm glad they aren't. It's a clichĂŠ that would've not been all that interesting
kindred linden
I don't think it's been done that often, and it was pretty clearly implied that it was the case early on.
carmine sleet
It really wasn't implied
kindred linden
yeah, I suppose it was pretty much closer to stated at points.
carmine sleet
It was never stated
kindred linden
"You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You are Forerunner."
carmine sleet
Spark was rampant in that scene
And has mistook Chief for someone else before as well
kindred linden
As it has been retconned.
Besides, you can't reclaim something that wasn't already yours.
meager owl
i haven't been here for while so give me a run down of what we're talking about.
kindred linden
if it was implied that the forerunners were ancient humans in the original games/books
deep pewter
Bungie never confirmed either way and featured multiple contradictory story threads regarding that
terse lava
Yep not even bungie could decide until halo 3, where that guilty quote comes from and yet terminals in that game show forerunners as their own race
humble yacht
I remember an article that Bungie said they eventually settled on forerunners being different behind the scenes, even though they never explicitly stated that in the games
willow jetty
You know, one thing I think should happen, if at all possible, would be the complete and total abolishment of the Mantle of Responsibility. Just look back throughout the franchise's history: It's brought the universe nothing but trouble.
carmine sleet
It's not like humanity actually needs to inherit it anyway. That's just what the Forerunners want humanity to do
willow jetty
First the Precursors had the Mantle, and then they decided to pass it onto mankind, only for the Forerunners to rebel and commit genocide against the Precursors, who later came back as the Flood. And then they screwed up royally with their forceful taking of the Mantle, and now we have Cortana with it and she's subjugated the whole galaxy.
But yeah, the Forerunners wanted humanity to take on the Mantle because it's what the Precursors wanted in the first place.
quiet umbra
Forerunners had mantle originally
lost it because they made the Huragok as a slave race
carmine sleet
No, that's not what happened at all, X
humble yacht
The idea of the mantle seems to be a Forerunner construct. I donât think the Precursors called it the Mantle
True enough though, the transference of the mantle had nothing to do with the Huragok
still falcon
Has humanity gotten close in recharging Covenant weaponry?
carmine sleet
Given that some of the UNSC tech in the post war is based off of reverse engineering Covenant tech. It's likely they know how to recharge Covenant weapons. I doubt we'll be given that option in the games though for balancing
quiet umbra
precursors had the mantle idea and originally they gave it to forerunners
they rescinded it for some reason then
humble yacht
No
Precursors originally intended for ancient humans to inherent the mantle (or whatever they called it amongst themselves)
Forerunners didnât like that, so they killed the precursors and took the Mantle
quiet umbra
pretty sure forerunners had it but it was later given to humans (by precursors)
humble yacht
Maybe -X-âs Domain rewrote history
fair hazel
Oh no!
fair hazel
Yes yes very much so. Oh no itâs from his comment earlier.
Halo 4 concept art has this plasma recharge thing
It was in the game but not functional
dusky kindle
Who hear has heard of the precursors?
hasty locust
A lot of people here
dusky kindle
Thank god
quiet umbra
if they do know about them all they know is that essentially theyre The Flood
which is pretty much correct
hasty locust
It seems the 343 games however is trying to bring that more forward
quiet umbra
I think The Precursors are implied by virtue of the fact that The Flood wipe the floor with even The Forerunners
so obviously it implies some higher power at work
feral perch
The Primordial stated that it was the last Precursor. When it died, its consciousness joined the Gravemind.
That's pretty much confirmation that the Gravemind is a Precursor in some way.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the Gravemind is a Scion of the Precursors.
humble yacht
I wouldnât be surprised if the gravemindâs consciousness occupies the same extraspacial territory that precursors did, allowing it to retain its knowledge and memories even after its physical form is destroyed. And then it uses the physical form of the gravemind to manifest that consciousness
But I do think there is enough of a distinction between flood and precursors to say that they are different, albeit related
The Flood is like the Grudge
A malicious entity left behind by a living creature due to wrongful death
feral perch
That thing from Star Trek?
feral perch
I guess not.
humble yacht
In japan itâs called Ju-On
The premise is that a family lives in a house and the husband murders the wife and son. The negative energy left behind manifests in the form of ghosts that haunt and kill anyone who sets foot in the house
The flood is kind of like murder ghosts left behind by the precursors
feral perch
Sure.
feral perch
I'm hoping to learn more about the Luminal Beacons.
I'd love a novel dedicated to the Covenant just prior to first contact in 2525, say... 2500?
dusky kindle
That would be cool
versed helm
im more curious on what species the covenant has waged war with prior to the human covenant war
Wait the AR takes 7.62x51, why didnt they just make it in 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 lmao
feral perch
don't question Eric Nylund's genius
versed helm
5.45x39 has better armor penetration at short ranged to medium (7.62x39 can do it at long) which is what the AR is mainly used for
muh m14
feral perch
tacticoolâ˘ď¸
versed helm
Idk man, you'd be better off giving them something in .308 or .458 Winchester
tepid lynx
@feral perch you were thinking of the crystalline entity. "That thing from Star Trek?"
versed helm
Wew imagine breaking your shoulder with a AR in .458 winchester but killing the elite in front of you and the line of grunts behind him
feral perch
but it was a tar creature
feral perch
I liked that death. It seemed so realistic.
tepid lynx
it did
terse lava
Did I hear talk of covenant?
@feral perchi would say have the story for the luminal beacons take place couple thousand years ago. The book thiughbdid claim the event happened, 5000 cycles before 2525 though
versed helm
how many species has the covenant waged war against that didn't end up joining them? has there been a species aside from humanity the covenant tried to drive into extinction?
carmine sleet
It's possible but we don't know how many wars the Covenant have fought in
versed helm
maybe we could get a book about it someday, with a covie point of view
brittle falcon
they tried to make lekgolo extinct
astral dust
I do not care what anyone says, "Follow In Flight" is the best Halo 2A OST
feral perch
It's great
humble yacht
Technically itâs a H2A ost track
terse lava
Btw was the covenant's existence extended? Was just thinking over that "5000 cycles" thing
gilded mason
Denning said that cycles have a variable length
terse lava
I know that's what annoys me
gilded mason
Yeah lol
terse lava
You have broken circle which shows cycles=years
Then denning's books which seem to imply years but may not as well
humble yacht
Maybe cycles to the covenant are similar to Ages
An Age doesnât have a set duration of time, but is instead marked by occurrences of critical events
terse lava
Yea, but one would think for time keeping there would be a set standard
High chairty cycles(considered a day there I think) last, what, 3 human days?
humble yacht
Well maybe dennings didnât do their homework
carmine sleet
The writers can't keep track of every detail afterall. Not to mention the fact that there's always going to be the odd detail that doesn't make sense that slips through
gilded mason
Well maybe dennings didnât do their homework
https://twitter.com/TDenningauthor/status/1176367940192653313
I remember discussing this; there were pros and cons, since cycles can mean different things in the Covenant calendar and don't translate into human calendar terms
Sounds like he was directly talking to 343 about cycles, so...
terse lava
And yet we have a proper measurement for when it comes to units of measurement. Think it was 15,000 units equals 4km?
obsidian thistle
We cant measure them well tbh
Even with the old version. It wasnt consistent
Plus
Twitter
It was up to interpretation and 343i did have some input.
astral dust
Who is the Sangeheili Major that curses the Sangheili Commander in Legends? "A thousand Hells await you!"
meager owl
i don't even know
gilded mason
@astral dust
My main man, Thel 'Lodamee
gilded mason
Hope we see him again at some point
All we've heard in the meantime is that his family runs an armory/manufactury
terse lava
Agreed, we see luro survived and made his own faction
gilded mason
It'd be a real kick in the teeth if Luro survived, but not Thel.
terse lava
That it would, since frankie implied the covenant found luro at fault, not thel
gilded mason
Oh, huh. Never knew. Got a link/quote?
gilded mason
Ah.
Frankie: "For all the comments made about the major's fate, it seemed obvious to me that the commander was the one going to be in hot water when he gets back to High Charityâpackage lost, two very expensive ships scuppered."
terse lava
Yep
As for the cycles thing seeing CIA's Denning twitter... makes it feel like there's no point in putting that into the covenant chapters of books
versed helm
Maybe Thel Lodamee is with the SOS now, or he's a part of a covenant splinter faction, maybe the latter idk.
gaunt oakBOT
terse lava
We have anything showing the covenant had recovered any forerunner vessels?
versed helm
Other than the Dreadnought
terse lava
Yes other then that
lavish vapor
The plot of Halo wars was making sure they didnât have any more so imma say probably not
Climax more so than entire plot I suppose
terse lava
Maybe, was curious since it's been said then covenant did inhabit forerunner relics. Was wondering if such a practice would go towards forerunner military or civilian vessels
lavish vapor
They surely wouldnât turn one down. Also how do Reclaimer activated technologies work? If Anders had âput the key in the ignitionâ so to speak, for regret, would they be able to operate the vessels without a human?
true shadow
Ok ok hear me out on this...
If infinite has playable elites do ya think itâd be cool to have a more fleshed out version of spartan ops for elites... i.e. an elite side campaign
true shadow
Iâd love to have a campaign based around the blooding years on sanghelios
Playing as the swords
lavish vapor
See what Thel was up to during 4 or something, Iâd be down for that
true shadow
Ye
versed helm
What about something during the human-forerunner wars?
true shadow
Ayyyyy
versed helm
Ayyyy
terse lava
On the topic of reclaimers, they planned not on piloting the sovereigns, but take them apartvyo make more covenant vessels
Human-forerunner era would be hard to portray in-game.
true shadow
Might be good to focus on the human covenant era.
Keep what still remains of the mystery of the forerunners intact
Not that theres any short supply of it
versed helm
How did the ancient Forerunners kill the Precursors?
What kind of weapons did they use?
true shadow
You could make the argument that the forerunners didnât actually kill the precursors because how can you truly kill a tier 0 race
Though thatâs just speculation
versed helm
What kind of criteria did the Precursors use to test various races in order to find out which one was worthy of the Mantle
gilded mason
For each race, the Precursors said "Non-Mantle holders say what." If the specified species said "What?" in response, they were not worthy.
versed helm
How many races did the Precursors wipe out due to them not being worthy of the Mantle?
Ones that failed the test
terse lava
No one knows
Never said what weapons forerunners used in the war against the precursors either. All too far back in time
lavish vapor
Itâs not even sure that they actually erased them, from what I understand the whole history of the conflict is ambiguous
I personally subscribe to the idea that the forerunners were the real aggressors and that the precursors didnât actually fight back in astonishment and morbid curiosity as to the extent of their creations ability to inflict such cruelty
terse lava
Well the forerunners clearly killed something. The final fleet had forerunner warriors calling the war a crime against the mantle. Their commanders either exiled or executed them
lavish vapor
How else do you kill pseudo-divine beings unless they let you? Lol
terse lava
Well remember we only have that from a single narrative. A crazed revenge hungry grave mind
lavish vapor
Itâs true, but itâs the closest we have to first hand, except for the geas those exiles showed the Librarian
terse lava
I think it's another way of bringing doubt to the forerunners
lavish vapor
But that was less about the way in which it was carried out and more so the result
terse lava
" hey, your ancestors killed us out of jealously and we didnt defend ourselves. Feel bad yet?"
versed helm
Which makes me wonder,what other races fought against the Forerunners other than Ancient Humanity and the Ancient San'Shyuum?
lavish vapor
âYou guys are the REAL parasitic abominationâ
terse lava
Who knows, many did apparantly but they were wiped out
limpid meadow
Where did you see that they were wiped out? I don't recall that.
versed helm
Wow,so the Forerunners are a bunch of yoinks
lavish vapor
At least wiped out from the Milky Way
terse lava
@limpid meadowcrytpum if I recall correctly
limpid meadow
I'll have to re-read that.
lavish vapor
Who knows if the precursors are just lazy and use a template when seeding a new galaxy
terse lava
@limpid meadowif I recall, born comments on how other races were wiped out and humans were not
versed helm
This time
I will say bum
đ
I also wonder,who are the so called "subject species"?
terse lava
Implied to be just sub servant races
The sangheili were likely one based on cut didact dialogue
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
" you are sangheili, noble and strong, even in your 2nd form"
versed helm
"No, Didact"
lavish vapor
We had a first form?
versed helm
"This isn't even my final form"
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-
Probably explains as to why Forerunner technology and artifacts were littered across Sanghelios
gilded mason
"Sorry that took so long...I call this Sangheili Three."
gilded mason
Heck yeah
versed helm
I knew that'd get a heck yeah
gilded mason
lol
lavish vapor
Just wearing one of those halo 2 shark fin helmets that stretches to his shins
versed helm
Lmao
terse lava
I have a theory, the Librarian chose humanity as mantle heirs, while others, like warrior servants wanted someone like them to inherit the mantle
versed helm
Good theory.
terse lava
Could be a reason they lived "short" lives
They wernt dying like cavemen, they were being recruited to fight the flood
versed helm
Where in the galaxy is Creck located?
terse lava
Opposite of the system of miasmic gases
gilded mason
they were being recruited to fight the flood
What a way to go.
"Who's ready for eternal tormeeeeent?"
versed helm
What if the Sangheili had colonies outside the Orion Arm
terse lava
@gilded masontaken in their prime to fight alongside forerunner warrior servants
lavish vapor
On that note, it occurs to me we havenât seen Promethean constructs do the one thing they were made for, kill flood. Iâd like to see that in a future release
versed helm
Mhm.
Also,who was the "Prisoner" that visited the Ussans and taught them a form of meditation?
gilded mason
Unknown
terse lava
It was jarvik the prothean
gilded mason
What a guy
terse lava
Notice how they kick e everyone out an airlock
versed helm
"Trow dem out de airlock, commandah"
terse lava
Heh
hasty locust
"Trow dem out de airlock, commandah"
Best thing Iâve ever read
limpid meadow
@versed helm What are you talking about? What Prisoner?
versed helm
@limpid meadow Some sort of being that taught the Ussans a form of meditation
gilded mason
The Ussans met a traveller in-between the two parts of Broken Circle, as per protocol, they imprisoned him, but they taught the Ussans during their stay
terse lava
Yep
limpid meadow
Page 229
lavish vapor
I barely remember broken circle despite my sangheili fanboyism,
limpid meadow
I was saying I love small details like that
hasty locust
I need to make an elite variation of my profile picture if I hav the time
lavish vapor
I remember thinking how cool it was they essentially hid a shield world by fracturing it in an asteroid field or something like that.
limpid meadow
Indeed!
versed helm
Then essentially turning it into a mini Halo
limpid meadow
And then it basically comes together as a Halo-like ring
I really want to see more from John Shirley, and from the Ussans
hasty locust
Pretty awesome
limpid meadow
Like, what were they up to during the Blooding Years (those that did decide to return to Sanghelios)?
gilded mason
I really want to see more from John Shirley, and from the Ussans
Ye
limpid meadow
Oh, and since the Sword of Sanghelios were originally created to hunt down those fighting against Covenant conversion after the War of Beginnings, how would Ussans react to the present incarnation?
Well, not originally created, but you get my meaning
gilded mason
They might be far enough removed from that time period that it wouldn't mean much
limpid meadow
Potentially, yeah.
versed helm
Is it possible that the Planet of Blue and Red is still around?
limpid meadow
Certainly possible.
versed helm
If so,i want to know more about the unknown bipeds that lived on that planet
limpid meadow
I remember seeing the cover of "Bad Blood" and thinking we might see that planet.
I want to know more about the Miasmic Giants
lavish vapor
âInterlopersâ from CEA terminals confirmed?
limpid meadow
Doubtful
The crashing ship in CEA's terminals were just a plot device, nothing more.
lavish vapor
Ik the point of them is to keep some mystery in the universe but I want answers! Lol
limpid meadow
Certain parts of this community have latched way too much on them.
hasty locust
âTHe MeDdlErS!!â
limpid meadow
Like sure, I'd love to know what species crashed there, but ultimately they have no importance to anything beyond 343GS's story
versed helm
I also wonder,how did the unknown bipeds that lived on the Planet of Blue and Red die out and how did they know about the Forerunners?
lavish vapor
I kinda always assumed it was just a derelict vessel drifting form the firing. Wasnât it relatively shortly after the array went off? A species probably wouldnât have slip space flight that soon right?
versed helm
Unless if their home world was littered with Forerunner tech
lavish vapor
Thatâs true. Finding a cache of super advanced tech would probably kick start their Sputnik
versed helm
Wait,where in the galaxy is the Planet of Blue and Red located?
lavish vapor
âUnidentified binary star systemâ according to the wiki
versed helm
I also wonder,what race lived on Netherop?
lavish vapor
I would assume itâd be relatively near sangheilios if they colonized it
terse lava
@gilded masonwe are making this place a sangheili fan base đ
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
So where in the galaxy would the Orion Complex be located?
lavish vapor
Imagine being a big angry monkey
this channel was hijacked by the sangheili gang
Iâm gonna guess the Orion arm
gilded mason
So where in the galaxy would the Orion Complex be located?
The Orion Arm? Here:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0a02416cb67bd85b72afefb44ae1f9a9
terse lava
Maybe
And I think the sangheili have colonies at outside of the Orion arm in the form of the covenant
final cedar
Do the Drones have a home world?
terse lava
Yes
Fun fact, when the covenant came across them, a war broke out. The covenant fared worse
terse lava
Always fun to think for most of the covenant's time, it was just san shyuum, sangheili, and lekgolo
versed helm
At what age did a Sangheili have to join the Covenant military?
gilded mason
No idea
Though I don't think we know if it's even mandatory to join the military. Unless I missed a thing that said it's compulsory.
versed helm
Hmm, though until what age would a sangheili be considered young?