#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 294

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 2:53 AM

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That is

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Indeed

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Not really

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Atriox is the gucciest of Gucci

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 2:53 AM

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^ he gets it

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 2:53 AM

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He would beat thel

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Yep

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 2:53 AM

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And probably chief

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 2:53 AM

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True

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 2:53 AM

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But we’ll see

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Banished are losers.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 2:54 AM

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No thel would win

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Nein

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 2:54 AM

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@gilded mason👍

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 2:54 AM

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@terse lava
🤜 🤛

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Sanghelios is full of cry babies who lost papa’s rings and now gotta tinkle

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Covie squids couldn’t even touch em

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 2:54 AM

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This jk

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Wernt worth the time

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Until they got betrayed by their own and were eaten in brute stews

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Brutes ate like Vikings that day

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 2:56 AM

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.....

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 2:56 AM

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And someday Atriox will feast on more squids

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I’m joking btw I like both brutes and elites

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But I prefer the Banished 😏

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Over the SOS

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 2:57 AM

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smh tbh fam

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Ehh. Just like UNSC makes it all easier

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 2:59 AM

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But then you must pick your favorite branch

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Spartan.

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:01 AM

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For me... idk tbh, Spartan or Navy idk

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Navy cause SIIs and IIIs were in that branch

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Spartan IVs could be cool with a more classic appearance

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Which Is what Gen3 is going for

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So yuh

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 3:06 AM

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@gilded mason hes a heretic, you know what we must do brings out the shame cone

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Atriox’s followers aren’t heretics, they are freed from your false religion tashi

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Atriox: we shall not be like the covenant

Also Atriox: kill our grunts

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Also further Atriox: kills humans

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Like...the covenant 😉

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Elites: we are honorable warriors!

Also Elites: Kills unarmed civilians with no way to defend themselves

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Let his Grunts get casually murdered by his own brutes without doing anything to stop it
Have suicide Grunts in his army
Put Huragok under constant physical torture
Let Decimus put Sangheili on suicide missions
Literally brand members of the Banished
Kill Lekgolo in droves to have an increase in Scarab attack power
Killed a member of his crew over incompetence```

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Atriox may not be perfect, but he is a Gucci ape

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Hes just a dumb brute

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:11 AM

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If he was

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His banished would’ve fallen to the covenant long ago

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And would’ve split apart

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And wouldn’t have managed to convince a silent shadow squad in joining him

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 3:12 AM

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The banished were not the covenant's time

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:13 AM

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But if they were so powerful they would’ve been quickly been dealt with

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 3:14 AM

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They formed a couple years before the end of the war, and were a raiding band, doing hit-and-run tactics.

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Yes, and the covenant were still powerful enough to glass reach

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 3:15 AM

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And?

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:16 AM

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They weren’t that weak in those years

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 3:16 AM

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I'm saying that not much time passed since their emergence

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Yes

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But it’s just weird how the covies didn’t get any major victories against the banished despite their hit and run tactics

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Because space is huge, and the Banished quickly strike, and then leave

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:20 AM

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True, but you’d think they’d be prepared for those kind of attacks

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Especially after the banished had been a thing for a while and covies knew about them and all

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 3:21 AM

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The banished are just pirates

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Perhap the Banished did have a lot of losses.

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:21 AM

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I guess we won’t know for some time

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Or ever

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:22 AM

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But Isabel did say the covenant never came close against the banished

stoic hamlet Jan 26, 2020, 3:22 AM

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That’s hyperbole

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Yeah

stoic hamlet Jan 26, 2020, 3:22 AM

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She has no real idea what she’s talking about

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:22 AM

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I guess

stoic hamlet Jan 26, 2020, 3:22 AM

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They never came close because the Banished were so small scale they didn’t pose really any major threat

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Yes, but like a small threat they could’ve been eliminated

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I’m not saying they were a big threat by any means

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But i just find it weird

stoic hamlet Jan 26, 2020, 3:25 AM

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They were like the pirates in our past.

Not a major threat to any of the Empires at the time, but a nuisance and tough to track down.

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Yeah it’s weird they didn’t have any major victories against them

stoic hamlet Jan 26, 2020, 3:26 AM

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They (the Banished) survived because they were difficult to find, not because the Covenant couldn’t kill them.

If Atriox had attacked a larger target like K7-49 or Pegasi Delta, he would have died.

But he attacked the backwaters of backwaters. Utterly irrelevant places with no real garrisons

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:27 AM

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True, he was playing it smart that way

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He had to grow his forces after all

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Either way he proved to be a failure

feral perch Jan 26, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Pavium is pretty interesting though.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Fair

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But his brother.......ugh

feral perch Jan 26, 2020, 3:54 AM

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A typical Brute.

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But it gives Pavium someone to play off of.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Yea

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Though think even your avg brute would be wiser then vorodus

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Are Officers above Field Marshal?

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For Sangheili

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 3:59 AM

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No

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They are a sub rank of majors

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Ok. They should be put under field Marshal in MCC then

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Officer is the last rank in mcc for Sangheili

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 4:00 AM

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They are like that because they were part of the limited edition

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Ahh

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 4:00 AM

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They didnt come with the base game

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Ahh.. okay.

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I like Zealots the most I think.. maybe I will convert. 😂

zealous perch Jan 26, 2020, 4:00 AM

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I like cheese

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Ok?

zealous perch Jan 26, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Ok bye now

feral perch Jan 26, 2020, 4:01 AM

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I mean, Voridus is clearly more ambitious than your average Brute.

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But his approach to situations isn't handled with any more tact

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Disobeys Atriox and unleashes Flood within the same day. Not good

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 4:03 AM

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After being told by Atriox and his own brother, he still cracked open the shell

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 4:04 AM

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Wonder if he died by Atriox’s hand

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 4:05 AM

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Or forced to become a leader of a grunt file

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Haha 🤣

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Or

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Led by grunts

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At least the covenant saved the unggoy

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Atleast they kept the ferral ones at bay

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Btw, there any reason for all the sangheili in CE 2 of having white wrist guards

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Maybe they’re PD Gauntlets @terse lava

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 5:37 AM

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After Cole Protocol whats the order of release for the Halo books?

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 5:38 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_novels

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Thank you

full forge Jan 26, 2020, 6:26 AM

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What ever became of Kurt's Mjolnir after the events of Ghosts of Onyx, seeing as he left it behind in favor of the SPI?

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 7:19 AM

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I dont think its mentioned

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But speaking of kurt, the man is listed as a giant. 8ft2in

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And that's in spi armor

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The Halo Wars arbiter was shorter. Only by an inch but still the biggest known sangheili was shorter than kurt

tepid lynx Jan 26, 2020, 7:56 AM

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HW arbiter mets kurt... awkward.

carmine sleet Jan 26, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Blue Team

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Noble Team i guess

carmine sleet Jan 26, 2020, 9:42 AM

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And what have Noble Team done? Because last I checked, outside of Reach, we know next to nothing about what the team has actually done in the Human-Covenant War

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 9:55 AM

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True

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Red Team maybe

carmine sleet Jan 26, 2020, 10:02 AM

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If you mean the Red Team that was on the Spirit of Fire, definitely not as they missed out on the majority of the war

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:58 AM

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Grey Team

lavish vapor Jan 26, 2020, 11:00 AM

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I’d like to know more about greys exploits

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:01 AM

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They destroyed Glyke with a NOVA bomb

carmine sleet Jan 26, 2020, 11:01 AM

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We only know of a few of Grey Team's, but they have done more than the Red Team on the SoF have done easily

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Grey Team also helped stop the Kig-Yar on the Rubble and prevented the Covenant from wiping out the Innies on the Rubble as well

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:03 AM

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How many NOVA bombs does the UNSC have?,so far we only saw two

carmine sleet Jan 26, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Unknown but likely not many

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:08 AM

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NOVA bombs are like the UNSC's CSO

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Every time one is used or lost, a very powerful tool is gone

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Which has potentially major strategic implications

true shadow Jan 26, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Anyone want some more lore on team omega?

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Yeah.

true shadow Jan 26, 2020, 11:29 AM

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Literally next to nothing about them except their names

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One thing that I’d actually like to see is a full list of all the spartan IIs that underwent augmentations. Names, numbers... that sort of thing

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Or at least all the ones that survived making it into active service or otherwise

carmine sleet Jan 26, 2020, 11:36 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/SPARTAN-II_program#Successfully_augmented

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That has a list

true shadow Jan 26, 2020, 11:42 AM

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I know I’ve already checked it. What i mean is I’d like for the gaps to be filled in. Identify the Spartans that have been left unidentified.

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 12:03 PM

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That could limit 343’s potential for future writing if they did do that. You need to think of it from a writer’s POV. The more creative freedom they have the less lore implications it can have as well as overall a better story to tell. Eric Nylund essentially had a clean slate for his stories way back when, and they’re regarded very highly in the lore community. There are a few others but I really can’t list them all. But as a counterpoint some recent books are also really well done too. It really depends on the writer’s competence and understanding of the universe, but I’d prefer if 343 did not give us a complete list for the reason I listed above

true shadow Jan 26, 2020, 12:08 PM

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Fair enough actually

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If they introduce new Spartans overtime with good stories to go with them then I’ll happily go with that over a list

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 12:12 PM

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I believe if we ever get anything on Team Omega, we’ll get to know an additional 3 members (as they have 3 named and 3 unnamed)

carmine sleet Jan 26, 2020, 12:13 PM

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I would love to see more of Team Omega, very curious as to why they're called Omega opposed to being designated a colour like Red and Blue Teams

zenith geyser Jan 26, 2020, 12:13 PM

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How come the UNSC didn't produce more laser based firearms like the Spartan Laser?

carmine sleet Jan 26, 2020, 12:14 PM

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Because it's experimental tech

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And conventional bullets are just more practical

tepid lynx Jan 26, 2020, 12:18 PM

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and no replacing batteries every 5 minutes

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Well Spartans in the field wouldn’t be using a Spartan laser against infantry it’d be against bigger targets but they would also be carrying extra batteries with them I’d imagine. Think of it as being a Rocket Launcher, they’d bring extra tubes with them.

true shadow Jan 26, 2020, 12:49 PM

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I also heard that like MJOLNIR, the spartan laser is quite expensive to manufacture

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Though I’m not sure if there’s any truth to that

carmine sleet Jan 26, 2020, 12:51 PM

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A single Splaser costs about 218,000 cR according to Halopedia. Granted, in the post war, it wouldn't surprise me if the price changed due to advances in tech

true shadow Jan 26, 2020, 12:52 PM

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Perhaps yeah

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 1:04 PM

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It's primary used by ODST units.

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Which is a little ironic, really.

carmine sleet Jan 26, 2020, 1:06 PM

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I don't think it is, sure Dutch deployed with one but nothing really indicates its used mainly by ODST

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 1:06 PM

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I actually think there's straight-up lore saying that.

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Lemme check.

tepid lynx Jan 26, 2020, 1:06 PM

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well ODST laser doesn't as good a ring to it.

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Turns out, I was mistaken.

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Stands to reason.

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There's that awesome art piece of a marine passing a splaser to an ODST, out of a warthog.

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With a wraith firing in the background.

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Maybe that's where the notion stems from.

tepid lynx Jan 26, 2020, 1:25 PM

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makes sense

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 1:29 PM

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@versed helm is it at least official art from Bungie/343i?

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Yeah.

true shadow Jan 26, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Also bringing up team omega again

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Their armour in hw2 is great

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It has a classic feel to it but still feels new and refreshing

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I’d like to see armour customisation like that in infinite

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 2:23 PM

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Ditto for sangheili, the h2A armor and HW2 combat harness looked quite good and would be nice to have in infinite

tepid lynx Jan 26, 2020, 2:52 PM

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oh yeah definitely

true shadow Jan 26, 2020, 2:52 PM

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True to that my guy

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I’d love to see the halo 3 head piece as a customisable armour piece

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Along with the H2A head piece

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~~I know they’re helmets I just prefer to call them head pieces coz I’m weird~~

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 2:57 PM

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I mean

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It's needlessly confusing

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I genuinely wish you wouldn't but there's nothing I can do about it

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That's life

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It doesn't even sound cool - it sounds like you're referring to fake hair. Like a hair piece.

true shadow Jan 26, 2020, 3:03 PM

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PFFFFT

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An elite with a wig

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“How do you do fellow humans?”

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Alright, all is forgiven.

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That mental image justifies the pain.

tepid lynx Jan 26, 2020, 3:54 PM

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no kidding

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 6:01 PM

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twas but a single vessel"
"A single one, art thou certain?

humble yacht Jan 26, 2020, 6:29 PM

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‘Twas is already a combination of “there” and “was”

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You just did a tautology

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 6:29 PM

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'Twasn't've

humble yacht Jan 26, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Omg

tepid lynx Jan 26, 2020, 6:47 PM

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oh dear lord

feral perch Jan 26, 2020, 7:09 PM

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whomst’d’ve

tepid lynx Jan 26, 2020, 7:13 PM

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kill me now

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 7:15 PM

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🔥 🤣 who did this xD'tve'n't 🔥 🤣

tepid lynx Jan 26, 2020, 7:16 PM

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better than an elite with a trump haircut.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 7:28 PM

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@humble yacht It's been a long day let me have this

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Grammer aside, how long so you think san shyuum and sangheili lives in the early covenant? San shyuum tried life extensions in 1552

tepid lynx Jan 26, 2020, 7:50 PM

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you know I've never really thought about it.

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 9:28 PM

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So, how did loyal Sangheili see Jul? Did they think he was a imposter or the real leader of the Covenant? Obviously there were the SOS, but I didn't know if the loyalist Sangheili saw Jul as the true "prophet"

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Sangheili loyal to the original covenant?

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Lore wise I think we only know of one, Luro's(the fleetmaster from The Package) group

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They appear to have just made their own faction

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Did they think he was a imposter or the real leader of the Covenant?
Jul told them that the Covenant fell apart and that the hierarches caused it.

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But he also added his own perspectives about humans and "cowardly" Thel 'Vadam. And said he knew a way to contact the Didact.

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So he was able to eventually worm his way into leadership of this new faction that worshipped the Didact.

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Ahh okay. Thank you both @terse lava @gilded mason . You are the only Covenant Lore Sangheili I trust. XD

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 9:45 PM

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😉

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:09 PM

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You were doing well until you used “XD”...

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As for Jul, I still think he deserved better

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 10:10 PM

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He had a lot of potential, yeah

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 10:10 PM

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He got treated like a cutscene grunt

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:10 PM

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The whole build up of Spartan Ops and books to then die in the first mission of Halo 5 (not to mention in a cutscene)

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:11 PM

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A friendly reminder that if you see Jul as a villain with a great deal of potential

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You're not allowed to trash Karen Traviss or the Kilo-5 books

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Too bad. I'm doing it anyway

astral dust Jan 26, 2020, 10:11 PM

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I haven't read enough to commentate on this.

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:11 PM

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It's all her, baby.

deep pewter Jan 26, 2020, 10:12 PM

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I’ve really enjoyed Glasslands and Thursday War, too bad the community ruins everything good

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 10:12 PM

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He was basically the only thing I liked in it.

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:12 PM

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🤷‍♂️ The deeper into it I get, the more overblown every criticism seems.

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They're just solid books about an interesting time period of the Halo universe

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:13 PM

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I’m rather divided on Karen’s books, and I don’t feel I’m in the best position to critique them (fully)

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:13 PM

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With a few issues caused by the author's lack of long-term familiarity

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Being a SW-geek and Gears-head primarily

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But she made a valiant effort

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:14 PM

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She did try her best (I’ll give you that), but I felt them to be a little lacklustre

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Still though

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 10:14 PM

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I'm of the opinion that it was done without a good regard for certain aspects that informed the overall plot.

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:14 PM

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There's a wonderful lack of awareness in people who act as if killing Jul was a huge transgression

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But also act as if Kilo-5 has no redeeming qualities

deep pewter Jan 26, 2020, 10:14 PM

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That ending of Thursday War was just sad, man

humble yacht Jan 26, 2020, 10:14 PM

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The way people trash Travis over her characterization of Halsey, you’d think Halsey was a saint or something

deep pewter Jan 26, 2020, 10:15 PM

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She characterized her like she’s committed war crimes or something thinkingchief

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:15 PM

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@astral dustwelcome man

outer kraken Jan 26, 2020, 10:15 PM

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She did didn't she

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:15 PM

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She did yes

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:15 PM

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I mean, I don't even see why people say she portrayed Halsey as evil

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She's clearly like

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:16 PM

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I think people's beef would be that the novels go too far on focusing on thst

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:16 PM

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A relatively compassionate woman who's haunted by her own capabilities and the things she's done

deep pewter Jan 26, 2020, 10:16 PM

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The second book barely mentions Halsey

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 10:16 PM

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he way people trash Travis over her characterization of Halsey, you’d think Halsey was a saint or something
I think it's more that she had characters that were previously okay with Halsey trashing her and having other characters have a sort of lack of awareness about ONI's involvement with her.

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:16 PM

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That's the read of her I get from K-5

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Sounds about right ostral

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Like, the thing that makes Halsey different isn't that she doesn't feel empathy

deep pewter Jan 26, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Who was previously okay but trashed her after?

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:17 PM

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It's that she's smart enough to realize that sacrificing a hundred kids to save the future of the human race is the morally correct choice

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And she's haunted by that

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That was the whole vibe

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Who was previously okay but trashed her after?
I can recall Mendez and Hood at the moment.

humble yacht Jan 26, 2020, 10:17 PM

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If everybody in halo thought ONI was bad, then they wouldn’t be a very effective intelligence agency

deep pewter Jan 26, 2020, 10:17 PM

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I don’t see the problem with Mendez, it’s been decades

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Mendez is suffering with his own issues.

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Yeah, exactly Nathan.

deep pewter Jan 26, 2020, 10:17 PM

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He’s having to grapple with his own hand in the program

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:18 PM

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K5 absolutely doesn't portray Mendez in the best light. He's as old and haunted as Halsey is.

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Difference is, Halsey's an unstable genius and he's a soldier.

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 10:18 PM

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It's an issues if he's calling her out for how bad SII was compared to SIII, when the virtues he's stating the latter has don't actually exist

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:18 PM

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He projects it on her as a coping mechanism, but it boils her alive.

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Well Mendez seems fine working with the S-3 program, arguably even worse than the S-2 program in terms of the ethics behind it

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:18 PM

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... Nah.

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It's substantially more ethical.

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Is it?

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Sending 300 children to their graves?

deep pewter Jan 26, 2020, 10:19 PM

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He has issues with his hand in that program too

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Two primary reasons - it was created during the HCW to fight against the Covenant.

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And the kids' lives were already ruined.

deep pewter Jan 26, 2020, 10:19 PM

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And they weren’t killed in the augmentation process

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:20 PM

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But the IIs saw what Halsey did to them as a blessing, the IIIs were essentially send on suicide missions, basically slaughtered for time? Mendez and Kurt knew this

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:20 PM

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I mean, have you ever seen a III shape up to their past?

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Look at Owen. He doesn't have those complications that IIs have.

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Compare Owen to Naomi.

deep pewter Jan 26, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Mendez can’t help what the higher ups do with the IIIs, he can help prepare them for anything though

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:21 PM

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The IIIs are just... simplified. In almost every aspect.

humble yacht Jan 26, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Spartan 3 candidates were given a choice. Spartan 2 candidates were kidnapped and forced into service

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Spartan 3 candidates were given a choice.
Uh

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They were small children

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:21 PM

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You don't get to talk

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Mr. baby glasser

humble yacht Jan 26, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Still a lesser of two evils

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Also lel, #elitesdontgetasay

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:22 PM

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They really don't

humble yacht Jan 26, 2020, 10:22 PM

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#itstheirfaultanyway

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Genocide in the service of a higher power is like

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The philosophy of the Spartan program taken to its ultimate extreme

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Where instead of a tangible threat and a proportionate sacrifice

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It's a completely intangible cause with a hideous sacrifice

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:24 PM

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We totally get a say chim 😋

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:24 PM

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The difference with the IIs and IIIs is that the IIs have a higher survival rate on most missions as they were given Mjolnir, capable of allowing them to survive more easily than in SPI. The point is Mendez knew these IIIs were essentially going to die in a high capacity, hence why he tried to pull as many out. That’s the main point of this

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Really, it depends how much arbitrary moral value you assign each factor in the handling of each program.

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In the case of the SIIIs, they had a pretty bad combat life expectancy, but everything else was done in a more fair and just way.

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:25 PM

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I think he should be trashing Ackerson more so than Halsey is my final point I was building up to

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Yea ackerson was the worse out of the 2

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:26 PM

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In the case of the IIs, they were treated vastly more unfairly but the end result was soldiers with a much lower mortality rate.

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Well... "much lower mortality rate".

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The rate of mortality is about the same

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They just got longer to live

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More missions and killing before the end

humble yacht Jan 26, 2020, 10:27 PM

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It’s fair to say that both programs were highly unethical but I feel Halsey took it a little farther with the IIs

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:27 PM

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There is also the tiiiiny factor of Ackerson, like, being dead.

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:27 PM

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But I think the deployment of the IIIs is why their mortality rates are higher though, which is Ackerson’s call

humble yacht Jan 26, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Making clones to replace the kidnapped children that would eventually horribly from health issues was a mad-scientist level of subterfuge

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Can't really take out your moral discomfort on a man who sacrificed himself for Earth in perhaps the most literal way.

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So the distaste for Halsey is realistic, if anything.

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:28 PM

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He didn’t sacrifice himself for Earth, it was his brother

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He didn’t care about the planet

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Guess at least they didnt pull a marathon "zombie soldier" thing

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Lmao

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What

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You need to read Uprising again bro

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:29 PM

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I could swear it was for his brother

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:29 PM

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They both did

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Guess that’s me taught then

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Didnt ackerson only do that to save his bro

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Jesus Christ

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:30 PM

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And them his bro used it to take out a cruiser

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Well I mean, his messing around with the brutes caused the Battle of Cleveland

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Directly putting his brother in peril

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Well at least I’m not the only one who thought that

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Dude

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His whole justification for SIII after being so against SII was that he was trying to save humanity

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Being a patriot is like

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His defining trait

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Yes, but he told them the tale I thought just to save his brother's skin. The covenant not knowing WHO was the key was what caused them to pen everyone up

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Alright, let's see.

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:33 PM

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I ripped this from Halopedia - “Ackerson told Lepidus of the Key of Osanalan, claiming that it was a Forerunner object located somewhere in Cleveland, Ohio. He told them this to ensure his brother's survival”

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Hm, he said it was a forerunner relic, not a particular human?

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Yeah.

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Halopedia's off the mark.

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Directly before his death he, like, directly admits to his aims.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Still find it odd that in regards to the battle of earth, every sangheili was somehow killed

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:39 PM

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"I gotta know... How much of your Earth campaign did you lose trying to find it? Come on, I really want to know. How many of you idiots did it take to screw in an imaginary lightbulb?"

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There weren't that many elites on Earth, Ado.

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It was more or less just Regret's initial wave.

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The reinforcements that began to arrive after Regret jumped were, seemingly, all brutes.

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The elites on Earth were trapped between the UNSC and their own murderous reinforcements. Seems like a near certain death sentence to me.

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ODST does also seem to indicate that a substantial portion of Regret's initial forces were brutes, too.

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Seems that their “reinforcements” beat the UNSC to it in most cases

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Which should cast doubt on the notion many fans have of Regret being some kind of elite-kindred.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:46 PM

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He was hardly best friends with sangheili, the reason people see him as such was due to out of the 3, he was the "closest" to the sangheili in the form if being around them

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He traveled with the fleets, may or may not have participated in battles, and was apparently not I'm, or did not support the jiralhanae as much as the other 2 did

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:48 PM

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That last count is pretty fuzzy

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Which is my point

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Of course it is pretty random how many brutes show up in ODST

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I guess he just kept his troops highly segregated throughout the city

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Elites seize enemy territory, brutes hold the carrier's LZ etc.

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Would've been better if they replaced brutes with elites in ODST. Neater.

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And then had the brutes show up in the final mission.

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Regret being some kind of elite-kindred.
I guess it helps that he was stated to have adopted Elite mannerisms

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Where tho

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:50 PM

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I doubt brutes held the LZ that much, seeing as none appeared when going for regret

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Where tho
Contact Harvest

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Huh. Don't remember that. Odd.

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Anyway, Chief didn't get that close to the carrier.

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Alpha-Nine's pods certainly hit a lot closer.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:54 PM

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I met on delta halo when chief was going for regret

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Maybe all the brutes were offloaded, then?

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Regret sent some elites out, all the brutes, and kept his personal elite guard.

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A CAS can deploy a fighting force roughly the size of the Australian Army, so y'know. It's not that off the wall.

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Just a little ugly.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 10:58 PM

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I wonder, perhaps the brutes gave regret a reason to leave, not just finding delta halo or humans bearing down. Mythos does say that even before regret left, brutes had begun the uprising. Maybe were going after regret too

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Now there's a theory.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 11:00 PM

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The sangheili are called back to the carrier, leaving the traitorous brutes

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Would explain the brute presence at the lift later

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:00 PM

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After all, Truth did end up killing Mercy.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Yep

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:00 PM

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His willingness to let Mercy die indicates it was planned.

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So he may have sabotaged Regret.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Think about it, humans couldnt pose a threat to the carrier really

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So why flee so suddenly

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Well, they did pose a threat to the carrier.

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Chief did.

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Well, not the carrier. But Regret.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Himself yes

carmine sleet Jan 26, 2020, 11:01 PM

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I'm pretty sure Truth told Elites that were going to reinforce Regret when High Charity arrived in system to hold off

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Also, the UNSC fleet was regrouping.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Yea but this is at earth

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They cant destroy his carrier without loosing the city, while his carrier can fire willy nilly if so desired

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:02 PM

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A CAS is a CAS, and if you make ODPs realistic they're not that great for smashing things from orbit, but the only thing stopping Regret from slipping out the moment his fleet got mangled storming the Cairo battlecluster was his search for forerunner artefacts.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Well he knew the portal was somewhere. Nearby

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:03 PM

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I assume his decision to leave coincided very closely with the realization that he couldn't access it.

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And yeah, btw, they probably could destroy the carrier without the entire city going down.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 11:04 PM

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I doubt that

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:04 PM

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It wouldn't be pretty, but Halo 2 paints a pretty clear picture of most Naval weapons not being WMDs, as evidenced by the battlecluster breakthrough.

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You'd have a lot of destruction and a crashed carrier in one part of the city if it didn't move

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But it'd likely begin manoeuvring the moment UNSC ships started to dive on it

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In order to mitigate the alpha-strike KE from their first MAC volley

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So if Regret had any interest in actually surviving, the battle wouldn't have happened over New Mombasa at all

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Remember, the faster a UNSC ship is moving relative to you, the more damage they can do with their MAC.

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The first thing a Covenant ship would probably do when faced with overwhelming UNSC firepower is accelerate away from the incoming fire.

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At minimum, you want your ships to be stationary relative to one another so you only have to deal with muzzle velocity and not the additional differential.

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Stationary in space combat meaning, moving in the same direction at the same speed.

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But yeah, I imagine the CAS might have employed its weaponry to conduct strikes on UNSC forces.

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That is, presumably, why the UNSC's response into the city itself was so muddled. Why the marines who dropped in were in such a bad way.

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But Regret also would've known that the more he employed his ship's weapons, the less patience the UNSC would have to let him ascertain the situation with the portal.

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The moment he became too much of a threat, it'd be a rain of guided MAC rounds and diving frigates. And nobody really wanted that.

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Seems silly, but I can think of real world battles that've panned out in that way. With a kind of underlying understanding.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Dont forget, humanity wanted regret alive

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That was the whole reason chief was sent in

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Along with all the odsts

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:32 PM

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That's part of what I was getting at.

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 11:44 PM

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It wasn’t very strategically smart. Having learnt of the great presence of humanity I would’ve slipspaced away if I were Regret. But because of plot and stuff, that didn’t happen, either that or he was overly confident he could win, which is a bit too far

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:44 PM

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It's all about the portal.

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He clearly knew what it was and where it was, hence his beeline for New Mombasa.

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As soon as he realized just how inaccessible it was, that's when he finished playing his game.

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Hoping, in the process, to partially uncover it via the slipspace rupture, etc.

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 11:45 PM

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"Vibe's gone. Peace."

inner basin Jan 26, 2020, 11:47 PM

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I know why he did it, but it wasn’t smart of him to do what he did

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:48 PM

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His decision-making was certainly somewhat erratic.

gilded mason Jan 26, 2020, 11:49 PM

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He was a saucy boy

versed helm Jan 26, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Not inexplicably so.

terse lava Jan 26, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Think bungie themselves said he was blinded by religious fevor

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Wonder if things would have gone differently had they captured regret

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 12:11 AM

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I wonder if he might've blabbed about anything just to spite Truth after figuring Truth didn't care about his possible death.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Maybe, or to keep safe

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Yeah

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Imagine if he told the reason for the war...

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 12:13 AM

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I guess the question would be, is he more pious than self-preserving?

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 12:13 AM

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..tough call

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Even when part of the flood he kept faith

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Though he might be just a bit delirious then

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Maybe but still counts

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Perhaps

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Almost sad in a sense, he was the only one who originally rejected the idea of the war

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 12:17 AM

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A shame

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 12:17 AM

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I get a feeling without truth. Being a puppermaster, regret was a rather nice fellow

humble yacht Jan 27, 2020, 12:18 AM

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I don’t know

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Getting drunk at Sangheili parties all the time...

humble yacht Jan 27, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Regret was the first to call for Thel’s death

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He called him a bungler

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 12:19 AM

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True but that was after decades of war

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Clarity claimed regret treated him quite well before. Being a hierarch

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Also regret never called for death

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Only that an example be made

humble yacht Jan 27, 2020, 12:33 AM

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That usually means death

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Specifically a bad death

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 12:34 AM

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He just wanted a public spanking

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Well remember, it was the council, not reget who chose the punishment

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" the council decided to have you hung by your entrails and your corpse paraded through the city"

tepid lynx Jan 27, 2020, 1:00 AM

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@gilded mason lol

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Come to think of it, we sont have much character building with mercy do we?

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Don't think so.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 1:49 AM

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A shame, we need more covenant centered booka

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 1:49 AM

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Ye

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Gosh, I hope Denning's next book is more Nizat-centric than John-centric.

deep pewter Jan 27, 2020, 1:53 AM

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He’s doing another book?

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 1:56 AM

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It’d be logical

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 2:04 AM

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Would depend on how popular nizat was with the community

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After all, they are the " Master chief" novels....eck

stoic hamlet Jan 27, 2020, 2:13 AM

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I want anything but John

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It should have gone Blue Green/Gold.

Silent Storm focused on Blue, Oblivion should have focused on either Green or Gold, then the final book is the other team.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Fans: "noble developers, surely you understand that once the chief became boring-"

Authors argue

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343 will likly just keep chief around as the main cow to milk out

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Maybe a nizat short story though?

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Yeah you right.

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@terse lava What is your favorite Halo game Sangheili model?

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Hm

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Had halo 3 ones not had the odd curved feet, likely them

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Okay, I see you

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My favorite are Halo Wars 1

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Really? Those ones have an odd body shape

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Overly massive chest, tiny waist

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 3:12 AM

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That is true, but they look like Hell Hounds, scary red eyes, long raptor fingers

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Though now that I think on it, halo 1 sangheili had the better body shape, thin and lean

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Hellhound, from COD zomies?

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 3:13 AM

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halo 1 sangheili had the better body shape, thin and lean
👌 👌 👌

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 3:13 AM

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no, meant straight out of hell

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HW1 Sangheili look like you gave them some bad juice and got bloodshot eyes and huge raptor hands

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Wonder what the Infinite ones will look like if they decide to re-make them

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Yea forget my first one, halo 1 sangheili were best

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 3:15 AM

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You have redeemed yourself, Ado.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Likely halo 2A and hw2

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Heh, the sole reason halo 3 ones even got the consideration at first was pure graphics

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Rather then the 2001 graphics, which is a shame they just ported reach ones for the halo 1 anniversary

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 3:17 AM

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I think for H2A to take top slot for me, the feet would have to be less...stubby, they'd need to be able to straighten their neck, their helmets need to be more CE-like, and change their mandible position a bit.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Wdont forget the wierd....turtle look of their harness

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Old graphics there was just a small curve at the top

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Yeah, part of the neck comment

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:19 AM

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New ones make them look like they are forced

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Forced to crouch

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Yeah

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:19 AM

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As for the feet I agree as well

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Which is odd, seeing as thel and the heretics have classic feet

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Idk why

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Heretics have a good start. It'd make them extend just a bit farther and have 'em end in points.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Why points? Why not just the classic foot?

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Having the ends rounded just seems a bit odd-looking to me

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Hm ok

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And gloves

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Give those back

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Oh yeah

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Who invents/makes the Covenant weapons? Is there a engineer group?

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Yes, there are San'Shyuum and Sangheili engineers that develop weapons/armor/equipment

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Another popular group are the merchants of one of sangheilios's moons

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Also, the pink needles in most of the guns. Is that some type of rock or metal?

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Blamite is a crystal, yeah

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Yep

true shadow Jan 27, 2020, 3:29 AM

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I like how nobody understands how to needles work and that “they just do”

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 3:30 AM

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It just works.™️

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Same can be said for forerunner tech

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Forerunner weapons are just modified magnets 😉- this a joke

true shadow Jan 27, 2020, 3:31 AM

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It can you tell me how magnets work?

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thinkingchief

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Magic rocks

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:31 AM

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The world may never know

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 3:33 AM

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I like it in CE when the marines die and sometimes and it sounds like Mickey Mouse

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Never noticed that

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Well not really.. mickey, but like the scream when they go flying.. Its the best.. XD

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Ah

feral perch Jan 27, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Reach Elites are my favorite

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The armor design is great and varied, and the body design is strong, nimble, and sensible.

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 4:13 AM

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They're very good

feral perch Jan 27, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Reach Elite feet are the best Elite feet

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Why

feral perch Jan 27, 2020, 4:14 AM

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They seem like a natural extension of their body rather than an organic high-heel or giant split boot

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I prefer the two big toes to the hooves

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Their face is also very intimidating and alien.

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I do, however, think that the Halo 3 or Halo 2: Anniversary heads are best for characterizing Sangheili as something beyond powerful, dangerous foes.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Fair point, but the teach ones lack boots for their feet, agree though on the rest

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Would say classy halo 2 as well had that ability to show more characterization

tepid lynx Jan 27, 2020, 4:39 AM

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@astral dust holy crap your right they do sound like that

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 4:39 AM

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@tepid lynx right?!

tepid lynx Jan 27, 2020, 4:40 AM

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better keep it under wraps or 343 might get there butts sued off

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 4:40 AM

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true

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:03 AM

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What is the difference between Mark V[B] and Mark V aside from aesthetic differences?

sharp adder Jan 27, 2020, 5:05 AM

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one had b in the name

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 5:12 AM

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@versed helm B type is for SPECWARCOM Group Three aka Noble team

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:14 AM

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But why exactly? Did it have better armor or shielding?

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 5:16 AM

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@versed helm It was the first Mark V variant to introduce energy shields to Mark V as a whole... it was like the prototype variant.

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On top of that the B variant can not have the user interface with a smart AI

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Ah i see

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And then the same aesthetic was used for Mark VII

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Yep Mark V became the aesthetic standard for most Spartan marks... obviously 343 art crews will have their fun with different models of chief etc.,

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Though im glad we'll have a more classic appearance for chief in infinite, it looks both slick and beefy, like a good combination between different looking chief armors.

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Yes, change is always good and never good at the same time. 😄

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Some things dont need change I guess, with a lot of the old 343 artstyle you could say "If it ain't broke dont fix it" in my personal opinion.

astral dust Jan 27, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Yep, sometimes letting things be is the best.

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Indeed

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Wonder If we will ever see rho sgain

tepid lynx Jan 27, 2020, 3:15 PM

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who?

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Rho 'Barutumee the supreme commander of the fleet of Valiant Prudence. His carrier was what you ripped in half in Reach

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 3:29 PM

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I thought he was killed?

tepid lynx Jan 27, 2020, 3:29 PM

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most likly

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Never said, never shown, no body

tepid lynx Jan 27, 2020, 3:30 PM

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again most likly as covie ships bridges are housed mid ship

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:32 PM

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We have no proof of him being there at the time

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Most sources say "assumed killed".

final cedar Jan 27, 2020, 3:39 PM

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I just realized how bad the Covenant had it on h2.
On High Charity, the Great Schism was happening, and while that was happening, the flood was infecting High Charity, and while that was happening, the demon was on board killing everyone. Talk about bad luck.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:39 PM

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True, but until its confirmed he could be alive

final cedar Jan 27, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Bungie confirmed he was dead

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Oh wait

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I thought this was 6

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:40 PM

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You think that's bad? Think of the covenant seeing halo activate among all this. Their salvation finally at hand. Then ripped away

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You thought Rho was noble 6?

final cedar Jan 27, 2020, 3:43 PM

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I didn't see the mention of Rho. I just saw the talk about "we never saw him die" and such

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Ah

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Never liked noble 6 anyway

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 3:51 PM

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/characters/rho-barutamee

Halo Waypoint

Rho 'Barutamee

Rho ‘Barutamee is Supreme Commander of the Fleet of Valiant Prudence – an archaeological research and retrieval group tasked by the Prophets with the security and stewardship of Forerunner artifacts.

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"Presumed killed"

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Noble 6 however has countless "he ded" sources.

final cedar Jan 27, 2020, 3:54 PM

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And bungie's confirmation

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 3:54 PM

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343i have also confirmed Six is dead as well

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 3:55 PM

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As said "countless"

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Speaking of noble I just realized something. Kat's death was may not have been random. She was the one who plotted to take out the Long Night.

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The field Marshall could have gotten one of the others but went for her

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:13 PM

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N6 has no reason to live

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it would undermine Reach's ending

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I guess he's alive in one sense. He's grass now

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Well his courage lived on

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I guess

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Then again, he doomed the galaxy too

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:29 PM

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mfw Reclaimer saga undermines Halo 3's perfect ending 😦

final cedar Jan 27, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Bungie planned Requiem

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Well post-War was never gonna be pretty.

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:36 PM

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yeah but evil cortana is just so stupid imo

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undermines so much of the OG story

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343 didnt even plan it, Halsey was originally H5's villain but they changed it because no one knows who Halsey is

deep pewter Jan 27, 2020, 4:37 PM

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[citation needed]

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 4:37 PM

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That I concur.

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Plus looking back. Cortana seemingly was planned. I mean if we go back to Halo Legends Origins there was seeds buried.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:39 PM

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True I do remember that "always war" thing with the glyph in her eye

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But nothing else led to it

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The didact was built up as the big bad this time around

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:44 PM

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In class right now but I remember hearing that in several vids

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late night gaming and the like

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Hidden Experia also talked about how cortana wasn't the planned H5 villain

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it was a late stage rewrite

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and The Didact was killed off unceremoniously in a book

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I mean he could show up again but he wont

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they dropped him like a bad joke

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Eh yea

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:46 PM

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just like Juul Mdama

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aside from Cortana the only villains we have left are uhh

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Atriox but he's doing his own thing

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ONI maybe????

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And the return of a Gravemind

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:47 PM

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On something a bit off topic I am curious
. When a combat form becomes a carrier, does the original infection form become more biomass, or join the newer ones?

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:48 PM

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which is always a possibility

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 4:48 PM

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The Ur-Didact isn't dead, they're just contained

deep pewter Jan 27, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Don’t trust YouTubers

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:48 PM

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If I wanted oni to be the villian will go play mass effect

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:50 PM

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the original Halo Trilogy reads like religion which is a big part of why it's so memorable

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for the most part this is lost on 4/5 and even Reach

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it looks like they understand that now with Infinite in how much they're pushing mystery again

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Yea

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:52 PM

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People need to consider just how little was known about the universe circa Halo 1/2

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:52 PM

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And 3

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:52 PM

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3 is the first time we actually started going into the deep lore

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the deep lore being anythign before the halo array fired

deep pewter Jan 27, 2020, 4:52 PM

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There was a good bit known about the universe by the time 2 came out

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Heck I was excited to find the reason to the war

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:53 PM

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People though humans were forerunners until 3 which is way off

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that was the dominant theory back then

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I never bought that

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I mean doesn't matter now

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Figured it was just one of many theories and found it silly, but it was mid 2000s

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True

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 4:55 PM

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We talkin ‘bout rho?

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:55 PM

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With Halo Infinite we have a chance to both soft reboot the story and appeal to lore fans by visiting the Palace of Pain etc

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IO7 is one of the most lore significant locations in the whole canon

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Yes

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 4:55 PM

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It's not a soft reboot, it's a spiritual reboot, the two terms mean different things

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:56 PM

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humans on IO7 predate humans on Earth, we could even meet them

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 4:56 PM

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I wouldn’t want to meet them

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:56 PM

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idk why but I had this idea that master chief would run into cavemen on in Halo Infinite

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and I cant put my finger on why but I think that'd be an awesome scene

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 4:56 PM

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The UNSC would already have meet them, they were on the ring before

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 4:57 PM

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There's no ancient humans on 07 anymore, we would've known if there were by now

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I mean how do we know that

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they survived* the halo array

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Also, Primordium says that the humans were transformed into AI or used for reseeding.

We could meet some AI, maybe, but not living ancestors

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:58 PM

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If any ancient humans remain, they would have fled the galaxy.

final cedar Jan 27, 2020, 4:58 PM

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What ever happened to Delta Halo?(the ring in h2)

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:58 PM

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It was glassed

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 4:58 PM

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All the ancient humans that survived the array would've been on the Ark and died long ago

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 4:59 PM

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They were all re seeded on earth

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 4:59 PM

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what happened to the humans who build the shrines and cave drawings on io7 though

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all composed into ai?

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:00 PM

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"ransformed into AI or used for reseeding."

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:00 PM

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sounds like a missed opportunity I hope thats not the case

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:00 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Zeta_Halo_project

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 5:00 PM

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That's not a missed opportunity and honestly, I'd rather there not be another group of humans that were living on a Halo this whole time

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:01 PM

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The only way we would see them is probably through ancient AI or terminals

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 5:02 PM

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The UNSC found 07 and set up research outposts there and while they found signs of human life from long ago, all ancient humanity died. Plus, they were more focused on researching the ring instead of looking at primitive ruins on the ring

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:03 PM

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why not

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I mean they'd be cavemen

inner basin Jan 27, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Why is it that whenever I get on this channel there’s discussion of Rho, like I hopped on after hours and I see settling talking about Rho (scroll up for it)

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:05 PM

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The ring can destroy everything inside the galaxy.

07 was inside the galaxy.

Each species was re-seeded in their homeplanet.

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 5:05 PM

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It would feel out of place for there to just be cavemen living on a Halo, X. Not to mention the fact that it wouldn't add anything

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Plus what Silver said as well

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I thought rings survive the array

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 5:05 PM

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The rings are the array

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:05 PM

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yeah but the flood survive on them

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Only shield worlds offered a protection inside the galaxy

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:05 PM

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so does ambient wildlife

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 5:06 PM

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The Flood are kept in containment facilities

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:06 PM

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halo still ha animals tho

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 5:06 PM

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And the wildlife is seeded onto the ring after the array fired

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Because the Flood didn't have a nervous system, and the wildlife was reseeded by the monitor, probably

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:06 PM

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?

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Also if those humans were on the ring longer then humans were on earth

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Halo doesn't kill the Flood, it kills its food

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Wouldn’t they be more technically advanced then the modern guys

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Not necessarily.

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I’m sure they’d be at least more then “cavemen”

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Imagine living without any needs for resources, or improvements.

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Resources would be their only “snag”

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:10 PM

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War and conflict are, sadly, the best way to improve in the actual world.

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:10 PM

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not necesarily

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human progress is largely exponential

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Who says there wouldn’t be war on such a vast ring

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Also wildlife would give them reason to evolve

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Also

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Much lower population density

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Therefore

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Less possible inventors

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:11 PM

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^

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over 90% of human history is stone age

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Yeah but still in all this time IF they were alive they’d be at least in the dang Bronze Age!

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Why do you say that?

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Any evidence?

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:12 PM

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it's totally possible for earthlings to have outpaced I07 despite being younger

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tech is exponential in nature

inner basin Jan 27, 2020, 5:12 PM

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How do you know that I-07 has the resources that will allow a human civilisation there to advance?

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Humans would not be on the ring anymore

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People forget the humans still on the ring before being fired were composed by the didact

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All of them

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Exactamundo

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:15 PM

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That was Gamma Halo tho

inner basin Jan 27, 2020, 5:15 PM

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I’m just bouncing of this hypothetical situation, not agreeing with it

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Yes, it was gamma

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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dis zeta

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:17 PM

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The librarian kept humanity mostly on gamma Halo. The only other humans in existence were already archived/indexed or still on Earth. When the humans on gamma Halo were composed, the librarian had her underling ather as many humans as possible from Earth because without them there wasn't enough to repopulate the race

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Humans, unless 343 says otherwise were not put anywhere else

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Also, i just remembered that Zeta was basically a way to found a cure for the Flood, so the majority of them probably got infected

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Palace ‘o pain

inner basin Jan 27, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Well they tried to find a cure, but I don’t think they ever did

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:19 PM

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They tried to find the cure

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:19 PM

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There was no cure

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:19 PM

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And the cure didn't exist

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Is a better way of phrasing it

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:20 PM

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‘Twas a hoax by the sneaky grave dude

inner basin Jan 27, 2020, 5:21 PM

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You’re thinking of when humanity gave “something” to 2/3 of their population then essentially used them hoping they had a resistance to the flood, but that was the hoax you were referring to

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Uh

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I still wonder what the Primordial said to the humans

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Yeah

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That's... exactly what we're saying, Beast.

inner basin Jan 27, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Oh, I thought we were talking about the things that happened at the Palace of Pain

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:22 PM

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They're connected, as I understood it.

inner basin Jan 27, 2020, 5:22 PM

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With the Forerunners trying to find a cure

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Oh...

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Well, that was a consequence of that

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:22 PM

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The Palace of Pain was created to find the cure.

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The false one

inner basin Jan 27, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Ahh yeah that makes sense

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Which is why they were specifically experimenting on humans

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Yeah I thought what looters thought

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Makes me realize the covenant were the only smart ones dealing with the flood

inner basin Jan 27, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Yet they were the ones who let them out of containment (on 04)

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Speaking of humans, we could see Fortencho on Zeta, it would be cool to have him as a terminal guide for the story of the ring

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It was converted into a monitor IIRC

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:24 PM

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I love how conversations about the Forerunner Trilogy always go

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"I think yadda yadda"

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Because nobody is quite sure what the heck's happenin

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:25 PM

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But fortencho's dead

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Yes.

But no

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Didn't uh

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Didn't Guilty Spark get him in his brains

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Yep

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Now gone

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:25 PM

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So they retained his uh

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Yes, and then he was extracted

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:25 PM

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His imprint

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And may have copies or whatever

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Remember in the end of Primordium? Where the AHs guided the humans into moving the ring away from the planet?

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Yes?

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:27 PM

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It should be still here, with other humans

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Why

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He was plopped back in chakas's head

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:28 PM

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You sure?

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Yea

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He narrates to modern humans on the rubicon

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:29 PM

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It was Chakas the one, not him

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Then after that, his core among hundreds of others gets ejected/deleted

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No, fort took over at one point before being subsumed again

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Oh yes, i readed it on pedia again. My bad

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I forgot that part

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:31 PM

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All good

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:32 PM

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So, no humans on Zeta.

Only forerunner AI

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:33 PM

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The sole humans that would be around are those turned into monitors by the lifeworker genemender, as in the 2nd book they and gene ran out of power

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:34 PM

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I still remember the 'leaks' about Ancient Humanity faction, with giant ape-like primates as a counterpart for the Hunters

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Was not aware of such a thing. Outside of lore, only thing I have hard of ancient humans was mega bloks was going to make a set. Then went with police

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Guta had The Mantle the whole time

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Obviously all those leaks were BS, AH were just normal humans, only the Florian were significantly differents IIRC

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Not fully normal

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Larger, smarter, better then modern humans

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Still, not at Mgalekgolo levels

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Tip in life. Always take leaks with salt. And best not to discuss em here.

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Thanks.

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Got it

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:38 PM

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I like the mega NMPD line

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Eck

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But fair enough

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Ah Mega

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Though we had a chance to expand on lore and missed

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Ancient humanity mega would’ve been a wee bit silly, your average fan hasn’t gotten a clue what they are yet

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I hope they get more of a spot light in infinite cause they have some interesting stories

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Well the problem being, you know, kid toys

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Love the lore those give.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Agreed

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Potential lore.

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Is I think

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Though I hate how many Cyclops they give

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:40 PM

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A more balanced way to look at it

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 5:40 PM

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XD

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I would love to use the cyclop of Kinsano in game.

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Yeah, that would be sick.

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Canon till otherwise stated. (Though most Mega sets give zero lore)

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Just checked the mega website, first thing I see: more mechs

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They really love their mechs

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Mechs are cool

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I'm just sayin', I prefer to wait till I see a version of a thing that isn't covered in mega-bloks connector studs before I treat it as canon.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Heh

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:42 PM

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One thing about the Halo mega construx that is wonderful, though

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Didn't Mega Bloks spoiled the Promethean Units before H4?

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:42 PM

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The figures?

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No stickers?

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Well them.

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:42 PM

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I didn’t think they did

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:42 PM

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But also how it's like, the only source that actually represents the diversity of variants in Halo

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In a visual way, I mean

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Dislike: lack of jackals

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I'd really like it if variants were utilized more in the games.

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I know it'd be incredibly difficult

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Fun fact: We almost got our first depiction of Precursors through mega. But fans chose NMPD

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:44 PM

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But 343 chose the route of making all these variants a part of canon.

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I feel as if the most fair thing for them to do is own it

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As entitled as that sounds

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And it'd help them get nostalgia brownie points

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Quick question does anybody recognise what this is: https://www.megaconstrux.com/en-us/worlds/halo/playsets/skyfire-exosuit (it’s a new mega set and I’m wondering what it is in lore)

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Variation of the prototype suit, presumably.

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 5:45 PM

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My proof btw. :)

📎 IMG_20200127_174522.jpg

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I always hated that, so close to precursors

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:46 PM

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The fact that they didn't choose insurrectionists harms my faith in humanity

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'Course everyone's Halo is different, right?

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Guess so

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Oooh, were getting a mega Ripa

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:47 PM

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They made him long ago

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Also why would you want precursor sets?

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Did they?

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Yea

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Mega started in 2009 selling halo wars

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Sets

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:47 PM

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"People choosed Precursors!"

Mega Bloks release an eldrich abomination in form of Bloks

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:47 PM

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The good old days

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Yeah but they didn’t have the arbiter

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:48 PM

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They did, came with a phantom

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Oh, I always assumed that was thel

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Implied to be ripa

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:48 PM

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I'm so tired of getting jebaited by the Halo news channel

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When's the next Master Chief book coming

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I need an announcement fams

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Only if most of it is nizat focused

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Cause he only had 1 sword

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Ado, surely that's just you meming

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Like

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Also we need a new phantom, and that’s the last I will say about mega

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:50 PM

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No I am serious, wrap up his story rathervthen a cliff hanger

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:50 PM

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"Most of it"

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That's the thing

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I'd love to see his story continued

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Precursors are bugs

safe siren Jan 27, 2020, 5:51 PM

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In theory Precursors are whatever they want to be.

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:51 PM

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But the Master Chief books are good because they balance satisfying stuff for fans of both UNSC and Covenant perspectives

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It's unfair to want one to overshadow the other

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I haven’t read the book yet

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Especially given how awesome all the Master Chief stuff actually is

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Eh the covenant side always seemed to have less focus

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:52 PM

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That's interesting

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But uh, I mean I don't want to be rude

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But you kinda gotta respect the Chief's role in his own book

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:53 PM

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That would make sense

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:53 PM

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It's not like the Covenant don't get their share of material

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And I know I'm not the only person who loves the way Denning's been exploring the UNSC and Blue Team

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Just have grown tired of them

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:55 PM

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You guys are talking about silent storm and oblivion, right

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Ye

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Yes

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Ah

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:55 PM

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" oh no, what will happen to chief and blue team?" Nothing because they live to 2559

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Well ima go before I get infected by the nasty parasite that is S P O I L E R

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 5:56 PM

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That's... a little unempathetic

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Given that, y'know

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A lot of Covenant fans want to see the Covenant explored in more structural depth, even knowing the ultimate fate of the organization.

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These books are a vehicle for adding more substance to the universe. I don't think the fact that they focus on characters who we know will live on is a valid critique.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 5:58 PM

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I can agree with that

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Well the equipment is a start. :) Fun fact the UNSC/Human factions didnt really see any major organisation till its weapons were so I can only see this as a win for Covie fans.

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 6:00 PM

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I think virtually everyone, at least, wants to see more mature Halo.

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And the Master Chief books are definitely a crowd pleaser in that regard.

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do the workers in Halo 3 use Stick welders, arc welders, or has humanity finally reached a point where you can weld with plasma

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🤷‍♂️

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They do deal with what are seemingly significantly tougher alloys.

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So presumably the equipment they use scales accordingly.

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But I'm not sure it's ever been mentioned.

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I wonder how hard it would be to weld and machine spartan armor or any UNSC armor in general.

still falcon Jan 27, 2020, 6:03 PM

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"reached a point where you can weld with plasma"

I thought we can already do that? Plasma wielder or whateever

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 6:04 PM

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We can cut stuff with plasma using a table with a computer hooked up to it on something like sheet metal

still falcon Jan 27, 2020, 6:04 PM

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But not actually weld

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 6:04 PM

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No, not yet

still falcon Jan 27, 2020, 6:04 PM

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aww

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Wonder what kind of steel is used in spartan armor. Chief's chest plate was dented after falling from orbit, wonder what the Rockwell is on that armor (for reference, a diamond is 100 Rockwell)

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Not steel.

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An alloy of titanium.

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Its not steel?

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Woag

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Virtually all UNSC protective equipment is made from varying forms of titanium-based nanocomposite.

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They love titanium.

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It's a bit of a meme.

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That's Interestings given Titanium changes its chemical properties when exposed to heat.

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You can cut it pretty easily with plasma cutting

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Well, it's not just straight titanium.

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The idea is that they're very advanced alloys that utilize titanium.

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We don't have very detailed information on the subject.

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The term "molecularly reinforced" is thrown around, not that it means much.

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MJOLNIR armor plates are treated with a refractive coating that amplifies their resistance to energy weapons too.

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Probably could have increased the carbon content in the metal to make it stronger, but it's the future they probably have metals from other planets that are stronger

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 6:13 PM

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how long did mandicant talk with the gravemind before he was logic plagued

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50 years?

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 6:13 PM

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About 43 years

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Yee

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Cortana was driven nearly insane after what 32 DAYS?

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Cortana was kept alive because the Gravemind wanted her to see her plan fail

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he could've absorbed her even before that

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 6:15 PM

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I don't think it's really supposed to be possible to understand the Gravemind's motives and reasoning for certain.

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I think it's a pretty compelling theory that he's uh, doing that long-term planning and manipulation thang.

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 6:16 PM

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also Mendicant didn't talk with a key mind yet because frankly a key mind cant be beaten

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Keyminds are just any Flood coordinator

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 6:16 PM

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they dont exist anymore but in the deep lore it was using star roads and whatnot

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Wonder how small a key mind can be

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Would assume something carrier form sized

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 6:21 PM

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At least that size, yeah

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 6:22 PM

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I think that the lowest form related to a keymind is a combat form.

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Eventually, you pile enough combat forms together into a big mass of brain sludge and you get a keymind

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The critical thing is that it's assimilated minds.

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The thing that differentiates infection forms is that there is no corrupted consciousness within them. They are bio-automatons.

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When a pile of combat forms becomes a keymind is presumably a gradient, based on overall intelligence and knowledge-base of the pile of combat forms in question

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They’re planet sized

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That must take trillions of bodies

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That's been retconned.

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By Awakening the Nightmare.

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A keymind is any form that acts as a control node for the Flood.

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I'll re-copypaste the HW2 paragraph

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 6:25 PM

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From a war form (basically a juggernaut) up to a proto-Gravemind to a Gravemind to one of those planetary keyminds you speak of.

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 6:25 PM

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After an infestation is established the parasite transitions from feral aggression to coordinated conversion by creating specialised Flood organisms that network their individual intelligences. These key minds act as coordinators for nearby Flood, leveraging wisdom harvested from the parasite's hosts to expand, outwit, overwhelm, and consume other life.

As the Flood grow in number these key minds combine and expand into larger, exponentially more intelligent networks. The appearance of these vile collectives typically indicate most local animal life and sentient hosts have been infected or consumed. Once a critical mass of key minds have combined the Flood's centralized intelligence can begin to emerge in their seething mass of corrupted flesh: a Proto-Gravemind that sifts through and feeds on the memories of every Flood-infected victim.```

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Hate that still

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Made more sense when "keymind" was a planetary gravemind

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 6:49 PM

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^

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 6:51 PM

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flood are basically just zombies until they form enough local biomass to leave the planet via protominds

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Keyes in CE was turning into a protomind but not quite there yet imo because the flood were still trapped on IO4

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but pretty close

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 6:52 PM

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It was a Proto-Gravemind in CE

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 6:52 PM

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yeah but the lore suggests when they get to that state they can commandeer ships and spread throughout the stars

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and they're not doing that in CE yet

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they're trying to subsume the biomass to leave IO4 via Truth and Reconciliation

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but judging by the fact that they're still there I don't think they're done making the Proto mind yet

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 6:54 PM

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They were trying to use the Reconciliation as their way off the ring

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 6:54 PM

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yes

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 6:54 PM

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You realise that just because they have a Proto-Gravemind, doesn't mean they'll instantly leave. There was plenty of food still on the ring for them. No point leaving any behind

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 6:58 PM

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So when did they start building the UNSC Infinity?

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 6:58 PM

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They also had a proto on the infinite succor

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 6:58 PM

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right after the war

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 6:59 PM

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No, Infinity had been built during the war

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 6:59 PM

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when?

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Construction on Infinity began in 2544

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Yep

umbral citrus Jan 27, 2020, 7:02 PM

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takes a while to make a boy that big

carmine sleet Jan 27, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Indeed, especially when it's in total secrecy and you're at war with a much more advanced threat

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Had the reclaimer not been known, wouldn't humanity be a fringe race for a time in the covenant due to the thought harvest was the homeworld?

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I guess it might depend on how impressed they were with humanity's tech at the time.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:08 PM

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They seemed dismissive right before mendicant opened up

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 7:08 PM

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I imagine once integration begins, a lot of stuff would be laid on the table regarding ships and colonies

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Likely

tepid lynx Jan 27, 2020, 7:09 PM

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sounds about right

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Wonder if humans would have been allowed to keep their vessels

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Well humanity being able to hold off the might of the covenant for over 25 years is impressive to say the least

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 7:10 PM

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It's more that it takes a while to find colonies

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I wouldn't say "hold off" as accurate

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Yea

obsidian thistle Jan 27, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I still find the Covenant holding off against the Flood for a couple years to be impressive

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*They did this at the Halo Wars 1 shield world.

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Ah. Well, they've had previous engagements with the Flood, so practice makes perfect, I suppose

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Well they survived

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:13 PM

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They definitely knew what to do

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 7:13 PM

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And with the covenant’s advantages humanity’s survival is impressive

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Yeah, because they tried their best to keep colony locations hidden.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Kinda surprised in hindsight the covenant didnt have an entire quarantine fleet around that shield world though

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I guess they felt it didn't deserve one yet.

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Elites has extensive experience fighting the flood actually

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Rtas Vadum's whole career has been spent fighting the flood

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 7:16 PM

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I wouldn't say that, unless you got a source

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:17 PM

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More the latter part

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 7:17 PM

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in class RN but HiddenExperia had a vid on him

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 7:17 PM

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More the latter part
Yeah

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:17 PM

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His first encounter was at alpha

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He didnt even know what they were when first facing them

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Yeah

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The flood aren’t a common thing

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Eh common enough I guess in the sense religious personal knew of them

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 7:19 PM

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really? I thought the covenant have fought the flood many times before

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:19 PM

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The covenant yes

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 7:19 PM

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They have. But not Rtas, as far as we know

hasty locust Jan 27, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Yeah

quiet umbra Jan 27, 2020, 7:19 PM

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I'm pretty sure Thel vadam knew what the flood were before encountering them on IO4

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:20 PM

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He was also an supreme commander of a fleet, not a commando commander

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Rtas, in fact, had no idea what the Flood were, going off the Halo Graphic Novel.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Ok...cant say that..why

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Though uh

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I must say

gilded mason Jan 27, 2020, 7:22 PM

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There's still a filter?

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 7:22 PM

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I'm not very fond of the Last Voyage of the Infinite Succour

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:22 PM

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The covenant fought the flood now and again I would say for thousands of years

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 7:22 PM

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It kinda messes with a grounded interpretation of the Battle of 04

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:22 PM

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....

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What heresy did you just utter?

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 7:23 PM

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For Alpha Base to make much sense, most of the Covenant really need to be tied up fighting the Flood.

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Infinite Succour implies that this is not the case

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And therefore, implies a pretty extreme degree of tactical incompetence from the Covenant leadership on 04.

terse lava Jan 27, 2020, 7:23 PM

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What? Most of the covenant was certainly not tied up at alpha base

versed helm Jan 27, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I'm saying that

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For Alpha Base to have not been swarmed by thousands of troops