Miranda got it then Tartarus got Miranda
#lore-and-universe
humble yacht
The smart thing to do would have been to kill everyone going for the index
And that’s what it tried to do
gilded mason
Shields blocking spores + Thel plus some Elite allies never previously getting their shields broken would put all that in a neat bow.
quiet umbra
I mean Gravemind has a sense of poeticism or irony
gilded mason
¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
I mean, who couldn't want to see chief cause chaos by simply dropping him in
terse lava
Interesting that chied.was.dropped right onto the hierarchs, but thel was.dropped quite a ways away from his target
carmine sleet
It's likely that the Gravemind wanted Arbiter to see his people being killed by Brutes
Plus, Gravemind likely didn't know the exact location of the Index and it was just luck that Chief ended up right next to the Hierarchs
terse lava
The first part is what I considered But I doubt the later. The gravemind already had covenant knowledge so I figure that's how he knew to drop chief at his location. As for thel, that does make sense in a way but for the gravemind, feel it would make more sense to drop thel right in the control room
gilded mason
Gravemind was being a jerk
Yes.
neural physics
The Halo Evolutions story Human Weakness provides an explanation for the Cortana interludes. It is revealed that the Gravemind had successfully hijacked Cortana's system, allowing him to speak with her voice. This was part of his plan to persuade Cortana and John-117 that Cortana was descending into rampancy. It is, however, not explained how the Gravemind was able to connect to John-117 all the way from High Charity.
iuno
deep pewter
It’s Halo 3, just assume everyone is crazy and work backwards from there
terse lava
Likely it was messing with the electronic system, not the actual heart
Btw, had chief failed at alpha halo, could the ring have been saved?
gilded mason
As in, cleansed of Flood?
terse lava
That or keep the coming defense fleet and high charity safe
I guess yes, clean the ring
gilded mason
I assume Thel would eventually get the situation under control.
sharp adder
and the ark surived with a beating when the ring was fired
terse lava
I would agree but it seemed the flood was almost beating control
The sentinels could... if directed but the monitor is gone
feral perch
They harvest materials for the Halo Forge
They tried to harvest directly from Earth once.
Nope.
gilded mason
Actually it was going very well
terse lava
For earth that is, utterly owned
gilded mason
They completely obliterated Earth's home fleet
terse lava
The sentinels had no troubles
Now had it been a covenant world, theybwould have failed
gilded mason
The only reason Earth ain't a husk is because the Hunters in the Dark team disabled the Ark's monitor
gilded mason
Kinda, yeah
feral perch
I feel worse for Splendid Dust
gilded mason
Same person...sorta.
gilded mason
Nah
feral perch
The Infinity’s prow
gilded mason
Boo
feral perch
true shadow
What about the nova bomb?
terse lava
Limited
true shadow
True it is limited but I mean in terms of destructive power
terse lava
I would still think the covenant would have something of a similar nature for bad flood infections
gilded mason
Yeah. It feels like it'd be silly for the Covenant to not have ever developed something with similar power to the NOVA.
true shadow
I always felt like plasma weapons were more useful against the flood
feral perch
Agreed
true shadow
I hope when infinite comes out that the plasma rifle (if it returns 
) is given the power of its former glory
I always felt like the plasma rifle should be the covenants answer to the UNSCs AR
terse lava
Yes
true shadow
I feel like the times to kill should be relatively similar
I’m a huge fan of covenant weapons personally so whenever I play reach most of the time I’ll drop my AR for covie weapon
Mostly the plasma repeater because it pretty much snatched the role that the plasma rifle could’ve had
Actually that gives me an idea.. so instead of a large majority of enemies using the repeater in reach, imagine if the plasma rifle was given the power of the repeater and the repeater was made a heavy weapon limited to few encounters like generals or chieftains and it sorta acted like an LMG
Yeah that always confused me in halo 5
But all in all it’s just good to see it back in a recent halo game
Even if it is the brute variant
terse lava
Never been fond of the repeater, only good for filling an area with plasma and not much else
true shadow
Exactly
It needs to be more distinct in the sandbox
So if it does somehow return in infinite or any future halo game I’d love to see it given an overhaul to make it a truly unique weapon worth dropping your current weapon for
terse lava
Just giving it the halo 1 stunt affect would suffice for me
terse lava
See anything changing if Rho had found thw forerunner capital
inner basin
I did post this earlier in the day but it kinda got buried under other posts so I’ll post it now. What do you guys think would of happened to the 9 Spartan-IIIs of mainline Beta Company that did not land on the surface of Pegasi Delta (if they were not killed as Halopedia lists them as presumed dead)? I’m using this as a point of discussion cause Ostral has done the seem with a particular Supreme Commander (who we shall not mention for tension or something I dunno they do it in TV shows)
terse lava
Pardon? Luro? Thel? Nizat?
gilded mason
Rho
terse lava
As for the question, likely used elsewhere
inner basin
I knew Ostral was lurking around. It’s like Rho is his trigger word to get on here lol
gilded mason
😉
terse lava
What's wrong with rho?
versed helm
Zuka Zamamee was pretty cool
inner basin
I didn’t say anything was wrong with Rho, I was just creating tension or something (like they do in the movies as it can cause some laughter sometimes)
hasty locust
Lol
terse lava
I say we have a nice long talk of rho now
hasty locust
What about him
gilded mason
he cute
hasty locust
Other then the fact he god wrecked by one angry green+yellow+red boi
His armour is pretty sick though
Speaking of, how essential is fleet battles when it come to lore?
Like is it invaluable to have these facts except you need to buy a whole tabletop game you know no ones gonna play with you?
gilded mason
Probably not that needed
gilded mason
Nope. I just have some Ground Battles lore
hasty locust
There’s a game called ground battle too?
gilded mason
Yeah, paired with Fleet Battles
astral dust
Are there any other Energy Weapon types other than the Classic Energy Sword? Also would like to have other weapons in the game? Like Axe, spear(pretty sure thats a thing), mace(besides chain breaker)
sharp adder
image if there was ike a plasam version of a flame thrower or ven a warthog thta shotts plasma that does more damge thn a normal chin tureent and warthog but needs to rechre somthing like that but also acts like a weak emp agains shelds and viechese
terse lava
Question
On the corvette on reach, the map shows various icons
Anyone know what the yellow sots above the planet are? Human vessels?
Also, there a way we can figure out how a far away the long night of solace would be from the corvette?
sharp adder
9 think so
terse lava
9 km away?
gilded mason
9 mm
terse lava
Boooo
hasty locust
@terse lava pixel measurements? Lol
terse lava
Heh
sharp adder
Die in. A hole full of lava
tired vale
topaz iron
inner basin
@astral dust Sorry for the belated reply, but we also know of Energy Cutlasses. Here’s a link to the Halopedia page for more info - https://www.halopedia.org/Energy_cutlass
terse lava
Canon wise those would only be for high ranking sangheili correct?
versed helm
we also have the Energy Lance
idk if the link will work for y'all but here https://www.halopedia.org/Energy_lance
hasty locust
Idk if y’all brought it up but also the elites have those energy daggers built into the knuckle plate
At least the reach ones did
https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Energy_Dagger I honestly think these look awesome and badass
versed helm
indeed
fair hazel
fair hazel
No it was different link. I want more energy daggers though
stoic hamlet
But those Halo Wars Glaives tho
quiet umbra
plasma rifle has gotten less relevant as Halo's engagement distances have on average increased with every title
and to be fair Halo 3 started this problem but including the objectively better spiker rifle
terse lava
I doubt minors would canon wise have energy daggers
gilded mason
Yeah.
terse lava
For all we know they may be in some way
hasty locust
It’s like a combat knife
Then again I think we only see zealots use them in campaign
gilded mason
The Spartan Field Manual talks a bit about them
terse lava
But doesnt it only mention they are used by a frefleets
gilded mason
But only that they're small, wrist-mounted energy blades, and that not very many fleets utilized them
hasty locust
Ah
gilded mason
Nothing about rank-usage or anything
terse lava
Maybe only given to fleets going to uncharted territory
Rho was looking for the capital after all
Anyway will continue later when I get off work
hasty locust
Rho has awesome armor
I want visor windshield wipers like in RC
Well against a steel greatsword it would cut it in half
Oh
Well when a spartan punches it it breaks
But that’s a spartan
In mjolnir
Yeah
I don’t think a human blade could break a jackal’s shielding
What’s people opinions on a useable promethean sword?
gilded mason
I think it'd just be a retreat of the energy sword
carmine sleet
It'd need to do something different if it was made into a weapon that was usable like an Energy Sword
gilded mason
I do think it's funny that the UNSC was just straight up copying everything by Halo 5.
carmine sleet
Well, if someone has the opportunity, I'd say go for it when it comes to attaching cool looking energy blades on weapons
hasty locust
Yeah that’s the bayonet but I’m talking like a fully fledged greatsword kinda deal
carmine sleet
I wouldn't say a Knight's blade arm is a great sword
hasty locust
Like we got assasinations where you rip it off the knight and shove it into the knights chest
Yeah IK
To a marine it would be huge
Remember knights are something like 9 feet tall
https://www.halopedia.org/images/f/f7/H5G-Sizechart.png just look at the blade size there
fair hazel
ah i got confused by great sword, like a greatsword type
i think itd be cool if spartans had a lance of some kind
would fit in well with spartan theme
hasty locust
Maybe you could say it’s a “reverse engineered” honor guard pike
versed helm
The notion of Spartans using extravagant melee weaponry is completely alien to what they're supposed to be.
hasty locust
I just wanna use an honor guard pike
versed helm
They'll use a Covenant energy sword if they got their hands on it, but think of it this way.
Historical Spartans used the best equipment they had at their disposal - bronze spears and bronze-plated shields.
If they had fully automatic rifles and electronic targeting systems, they'd have used them.
fair hazel
a spear right, thats what im eant
versed helm
The Spartan ethos isn't, y'know, pikes. it's efficiency and brutality.
fair hazel
Imagine some type of energy or hard light spear spartans could make and throw.
versed helm
Imagining a Spartan from TFoR or Silent Storm going around with a UNSC-produced spear is, in my mind, incredibly dumb.
I... can't imagine many things more goofy.
fair hazel
Not a metal spear!
hasty locust
The energy stave that’s what it’s called https://www.halopedia.org/Energy_stave
versed helm
Ericky, why would you use any spear when you can carry an SRS99
fair hazel
You run out of ammo for that.
versed helm
You throw the spear once
fair hazel
And in certain situations and melee situations
versed helm
And you're down a spear
fair hazel
Not unless it's some sort of regenerating hard light spear of some kind
hasty locust
Why not just a bow and arrow if we’re gonna be ridiculous
versed helm
"Regenerating hardlight spear". So just, like, freakin' magic.
Might as well.
Why not bring in some unicorns.
fair hazel
A hard light spear or something materializes, and it helps you against energy swords or you throw it or something.
versed helm
Spartans are special forces soldiers. Their tools are rifles, knives, grenades.
Explosives.
Not goofy hardlight spears.
carmine sleet
The spear is like Yondu's arrow in Guardians of the Galaxy
versed helm
You want a Halo game that emphasizes cool melee weaponry, ask for a Sangheili game.
But I don't know how you could even consider doing that to Spartans
hasty locust
Yeah
fair hazel
Fits with a spartan theme. Spear you go poke poke at long range. If materializing hard light spears are silly who knows what you think of the z-2500 automated protection drone. A drone that materilizes into thin air from the spartan's suit and detects enemies and hovers around and shoots them with hard light bolts.
hasty locust
Those are in war games
versed helm
Well, that's different.
hasty locust
We don’t know if it’s real
versed helm
For one, it's not, y'know.
Incredibly advanced technology being used to replicate the weapons of primitives.
Neither the UNSC's Spartans nor the forerunners have any seeming cultural connection to spears.
hasty locust
Knights wield blades
fair hazel
autosentries are real...
versed helm
Yeah, they have a blade in one hand that's primarily useful for burning through thick armour
And they also carry a powerful ranged light-weapon
hasty locust
I don’t want an endless magic javelin bucket tough
hasty locust
This isn’t destiny
versed helm
When you can have an assault rifle
That's my angle
I don't play Halo to throw spears
hasty locust
Unless your a sangheli honour guard
hasty locust
IK
versed helm
Pretty embarrassing
versed helm
If a Spartan wants to take you out from range, they have many and varied solutions to that problem. Everything from DMRs to the SRS to the freakin' stanchion.
If they want to get up close n' personal they've got the 8 gauge boomstick of justice
hasty locust
XD
versed helm
These are far more efficient in their given usage than a spear
And thematically, a hardlight spear is just goofy
gilded mason
Yeah
versed helm
Though, granted, 343 has shown that they're willing to let goofiness mess with Halo's tone when it takes their whimsy.
Glares at Yap Yap
hasty locust
Why would the forerunners develop something that you need to get close to and can generally only hit one target to combat the swarms of flood
versed helm
Also, hardlight is limited by energy
fair hazel
Why have a hard light spear when you could have an assault rifle? It’s more efficient in certain situations. You stab once instead of dumping a bunch of bullets. Plus you use it as a back up.
versed helm
Hardlight weapons require power cells.
fair hazel
Forerunners developed something called... a hard light blade!
versed helm
The autosentry require downtime.
If you throw the spear (I mean, first off, what's holding the spear together, spears aren't exactly high velocity compared to a gunshot), then you'll be expending some form of ammunition to create a new one
And at that point it just becomes an inefficient rifle
hasty locust
Promethean harpoon rifle
versed helm
And let's be real, having a blade doesn't make you the king of CQC.
fair hazel
You can also, not throw it.
versed helm
I mean, Spartans regularly use their fists to put the smackdown on knights and elites with their respective weapons.
CQC is probably best avoided.
hasty locust
It just wouldn’t fit into halo very well
versed helm
That is almost certainly the way Spartans look at it.
Well, not CQC so much as hand-to-hand.
hasty locust
Like the only reason elites have designated melee weapons is because of honour and ceremonial reasons
versed helm
Theoretically they're useful for the sake of head-on shock and awe.
Elites love to jump on top of you and stab-stab-stabbity.
But that ain't Spartan style
Which is the crux of this debate
hasty locust
True
fair hazel
Spears are cools. A lot of things don’t fit into halo until they do it seems.
gilded mason
Spears really don’t match Spartan aesthetic or mindset, as Looters said.
hasty locust
Spears are inefficient
full forge
I dunno, that Halo Wars cutscene made me want to see more spartan spear action
gilded mason
That cutscene just made me groan. 😋
full forge
3 SIIs against the world.
unique rune
Are we talking about the one where Red is defending the Forge and the slipspace drive on a bridge etc?
gilded mason
Yeah
unique rune
Yeah... I used to really like that cutscene, but rewatching it, it's kinda... not great?
full forge
Blur's talent has certainly improved since then.
versed helm
They way they animated MJOLNIR was really cool
The pauldrons, like, suspend and relocate when they reach over their shoulder to grab their weapon or whatever
Which is what you'd expect from a suit of 26th century hyper-advanced battle armour
hasty locust
Yeah
versed helm
In what we've seen of Infinite so far, they just disappear into slipspace
hasty locust
Shoulder pads?
versed helm
Pauldrons, ye
stoic hamlet
Joining in now to chime in with that “spears are inefficient” got a chuckle out of me.
Also yeah a Spartan doesn’t need more than their knives, anything else is excessive and doesn’t really match a II or III’s “style”.
maybe I could buy a particularly eccentric IV with something more.....unique, but otherwise no.
meager owl
listen, if locke could beat chief in a fight, then a IV could beat a II, right?
stoic hamlet
I mean, anything can happen, yeah.
gilded mason
Yeah
stoic hamlet
II’s are like, technically mid-tier in terms of power level out of all the Spartan Gens.
And I say that simply speaking regarding strength, durability and speed.
meager owl
but anyways, does a spartan I exist? if they do, would they have armor like chief did in CE
stoic hamlet
They do exist.
And no they wouldn’t
meager owl
please explain.
stoic hamlet
Johnson is a Spartan I.
They’re like, peak-human, whereas Spartan II’s and on are genuinely super-human
meager owl
our boi Johnson is a I bois.
stoic hamlet
Yup.
meager owl
i get it, but what does it mean. if you look at chief's armor in CE why does it look different? did Halsey upgrade it?
i really do not know.
stoic hamlet
MJOLNIR armour is powered, and works off the body’s own thoughts. A regular person would break their body apart trying to use it. They would kill themselves.
meager owl
looks like my dream of being in battle with chief is over, i would rip myself to shreds.
f in chat
stoic hamlet
When testing the Mark IV suit, a Marine told to “raise his left arm” did so with such force he broke every bone in his arm and, in response, began convulsing in pain, which just killed him because the suit moved to fast for his body to react to.
meager owl
i can see it in my head.
stoic hamlet
But what do you mean by his armour looked different in CE? Compared to what?
meager owl
if you look at chief's armor in 4, 3 and 2, you can see it looks different in CE as it did in those games.
gilded mason
That's just a different design in-universe between armor versions.
stoic hamlet
It’s a different Mark.
gilded mason
CE used Mark V
stoic hamlet
In CE he wore Mark V
gilded mason
2 and 3 used Mark VI
stoic hamlet
4 used Mark VI but 343 just redesigned it.
versed helm
Nanomachines son
meager owl
wait, then does that make the armor in infinite Mark VII?
gilded mason
Nanomachines son
Let's not go there. 😋
versed helm
Thats What changed the armor 😏
stoic hamlet
It’s based off the Mark VII
gilded mason
wait, then does that make the armor in infinite Mark VII?```
Gen3oh.
versed helm
Gen3 Mark VI
versed helm
Yee
unique rune
Well, it's just GEN3 for now, I don't believe it's been designated as a new iteration of MkVI yet.
meager owl
so does that mean 
is just and upgraded halo 3 armor
unique rune
No
gilded mason
It's a new helmet, that just looks similar
unique rune
It's a new suit that was built in early 2559
versed helm
Its a new version of the H3 armor
meager owl
and on the topic of chief, what about his face. would we see it?
stoic hamlet
The Field Manual states it has some elements of Mark VII.
gilded mason
and on the topic of chief, what about his face. would we see it?```
As a personal preference, I like human characters fully armored.We already know what he looks like though
versed helm
Unless its the last game with the chief I doubt we'll see his face
We know how his teen and kid self looks like
meager owl
i don't have any halo books. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
Was it when he was taking a shower?
stoic hamlet
No
stoic hamlet
After. When he’s with McKay
meager owl
that according to the flood novel. that is face is pale, and if you got the legendary ending in 4 you would know that he has blue eyes.
versed helm
Does he look like a Young Steve Downes? 👀
stoic hamlet
I’ll need to check when I get home.
meager owl
imagine young chief in the comics, make him pale, shave him and give him stubble, than finish with age lines on his forehead
versed helm
Forehead age Lines just like Gordon Ramsay
meager owl
not really
versed helm
No wonder he's the Master Chef
meager owl
nice
versed helm
meager owl
let's talk about noble team, ok
unique rune
Canonically male, yeah.
meager owl
i'll stick with male, though sometimes i do think female could fit them
versed helm
I go with female.
humble yacht
Female Noble 6 is just from a parallel universe
versed helm
You gotta go with Fem Six
Because she has the superior a-
...
Acting.
Voice acting.
stoic hamlet
I also go female.....for.....reasons.
Actually though it’s because Halo doesn’t really have any female player characters. Not many, anyways.
fair hazel
One thing I liked about 5
terse lava
Will give halo 5 that, and allowing us to go to sangheilios
humble yacht
Doom fallin behind
fair hazel
i feel like a lot of people also forget palmer is a playable character
humble yacht
Not in a mainline FPS halo
humble yacht
It’s less that people forget you can play as her, and more that people forget about Spartan Assault
fair hazel
I played all fireteam raven as Ava Lang
terse lava
A jackal
carmine sleet
That's not exactly a question that is easily answered, since allot of the characters Johnson has faced in a 1v1 are normally unnamed
And the ones that are named normally beat him
versed helm
Humans are weak
obsidian thistle
Strongest
Precursor
The theory goes that they could of wiped out the Forerunners if they actually fought
Oh that is canon.
Johnson using it however
It may not even be used.
It could just be in a storage.
versed helm
Do the covenant have slurs like humans do
feral perch
Yes
supple pecan
what is the major religion in halo?
for humans
lke
like*
do they have fictional religions that the franchise has come up with
or is based on the religions we actually have
obsidian thistle
Well its one of the worst pages on Halopdia. But https://www.halopedia.org/Religion
I'll deal with it later in a major capacity
terse lava
Arent most of the faiths around still? There's also "triad", and implied to humans in the keepers of the one freedom
hasty locust
Think so
Anyone know why the cold storage monitor is so huge?
And do you think it could fly if it got unattached
terse lava
Likely just there to observe the flood and I guess he could fly if needed
hasty locust
Yeah But why so huge?
Like imagine the laser on his face
Or just watching it put around
Like if it flew at you it could crush you with ease
terse lava
There was the monitor, " the knowing," which looked like a carbon copy of the cold storage monitor. It had data on many forerunner things. The cold one may be the ame, but with flood
terse lava
In what regard?
hasty locust
Anything
The 3 best sangheli that achieved the most and left the biggest mark on the world
terse lava
Hm
gilded mason
Kel 'Darsam, Thel 'Vadam, and...
terse lava
One I would say would be the taming of the lekgolo arbiter, Thel himself, and for the 3rd....Vil 'Kthamee
gilded mason
Maybe the Arbiter that tamed the h - yeah
terse lava
@gilded masonnot including vil?
hasty locust
What about 3 most useless named elites
gilded mason
Remind me of his importance again? I know he was in Broken Circle, but...
terse lava
He saved prophet of inner conviction and thanks to the mission allowed the covenant alliance to strengthen with getting the halo hologram, but also implied it was thanks to him that all sangheili have the "ee"
gilded mason
Ah
hasty locust
I guess they don’t call em sanghil”ee” for no reason
gilded mason
boo
hasty locust
I’m gonna see myself out now
terse lava
Conviction comments that vil would get proper recognition, he would see to that. Seeing as vil is the only one to have the "ee" in the book...makes sense
gilded mason
Yeah, he would be pretty significant.
terse lava
Yep, rather tragic in a sense how it was later ditched
gilded mason
Indeed
terse lava
Also annoys me how the book came out in 2014, yet vil has no halopedia page
gilded mason
Perhaps you should make it, eh? 😉
terse lava
I have considered that, but I am not sure I would be professional enough
gilded mason
try ur best
gilded mason
Here's a good template for his page.
https://www.halopedia.org/Ziln_'Klel
terse lava
Man poor Ziln
terse lava
Indeed
astral dust
Do Spartans age the same as regular humans or is it delayed because of their augmentations?
gilded mason
They age slower by some amount
astral dust
So like. John-117 is I think 48 but he wouldn’t be a “normal” human 48
gilded mason
Yeah. Though it'd also be because of his years of life spent in cryo.
gilded mason
We've known about their family situation many years before Halo 5, though?
terse lava
Like "The Flood" so we've known of a clan life since 2005
stoic hamlet
2003 was when The Flood released
versed helm
I’ve always enjoyed reading halo novels, I’m thinking about getting Halo Envoy or Halo Oblivion.
gilded mason
Have you read Silent Storm?
versed helm
No sadly, which is probably gonna be a problem if I get Oblivion.
gilded mason
Yeah.
versed helm
Is silent storm good? I’ve heard good things about it.
gilded mason
Yeah, it's pretty good
versed helm
I may just end up getting the pair tbh
versed helm
Would it have been possible to tune the Halo Array pulse to only kill the Flood and not their food source?
gilded mason
I think if it was possible to only target them...the Forerunners would have done it
versed helm
So it only said that the Lifeworkers managed to save 123 sentient species within the Ecumene,how many of them could've survived into the modern era?
gilded mason
It was never said how many sapient species are currently alive, so...just a bit unknown.
versed helm
And considering how massive the galaxy is
How large was the Covenant's military prior to their war with humanity?
gilded mason
At least one ship
versed helm
If i recall correctly,wasn't there something that said that the Covenant never deployed their full military might against humanity because they were waging war against other interstellar empires and probably were fighting The Banished as well
gilded mason
Banished are small-time, but the other things might be possible
versed helm
I wanna see a political map of the Halo galaxy,i want to see who the Covenant shared borders with
terse lava
We all do, but that would limit 343
inner basin
^ Limits creativity for future possibilities is what he means
tepid lynx
it sucks but it's true
true shadow
I never thought of it like that. I always felt like the covenant went where they please because space for the large part is unoccupied
To think that they may have shared space or waged wars with other races for occupying territory is actually kinda interesting
terse lava
Warfleet does mention the covenant went to war with races and wiped some out
versed helm
Ain't gonna lie,i'm actually surprised that Foehammer managed to survive all the way to the last level in CE/CEA
Before she got shot down
meager owl
but what does it mean, why do the Covenant hate us?
is it all for nothing, just because we killed thousands of their kind.
can't we just have a truce?
versed helm
Didn't the whole war start because the Hierarchs discovered that humans were reclaimers and that their whole religion was a lie
meager owl
yeah... think that's why
terse lava
More along the lines that they thought humanity were left behind forerunners, due to mendicant bias's shard stating that those on the planet harvest were no relics, but "my makers"
terse lava
Having left behind forerunners, to the hierarchs, met the great journey's promise of " none will be left behind" was false
The forerunners were human-like beings responsible for crafting the halos and other artical places we have seen in lore
meager owl
oh, but why Orange?
terse lava
meager owl
thanks
terse lava
Orange was only a color for the promethans
They were the highest if the warrior caste rate
meager owl
i'm getting mixed up
meager owl
the mission i'm stuck on has me fighting a swarm of promethans
terse lava
Ok?
meager owl
and at the beginning of a mission there was a jumpscare by what i believe is a builder, because their skull face was blue
terse lava
No, they are currently blue due to the librarian, later they are orange. You will see
meager owl
ok
but is spartan armor airtight, i mean in 5, Locke cracked his visor. cold chief go into space with that?
- could
terse lava
Airtight normally yes. With that crack dont see it happening
meager owl
and also, could noble 6 survive reach?
he could be in a box fort eating beans, waiting for a savior
versed helm
He's dead jim
tepid lynx
Thanks Bones
carmine sleet
You mean Chief from this trailer? https://youtu.be/ZipoIbBDf-c
terse lava
Means nothing
agile tangle
At what point in Halo lore is Chief considered at his prime? Just wondering since he’s around 40-50 or so
versed helm
Probably during the events of Halo 2.
That's when things got the most one man army for him, I'd say.
Fighting through High Charity on his own during the Schism is pretty intense.
But then, High Charity fully in the grip of the Flood is also pretty hardcore.
feral perch
I would say CE or 3 tbh. Fighting through Schism High Charity wasn’t as dangerous as The Library or Flood High Charity
Canonically speaking
Cortana wasn’t with him, either, and she’s a major boon to his performance
versed helm
The reason I was set on 2 initially primarily was because that was when he got his Mark VI
So he's had time to acclimatize to his shielding over CE
And then he gets a new, better version on top of that
2 and 3, maybe? Though he doesn't seem to have slowed down in 4 or 5, really.
versed helm
He was fighting Prometheans throughout, though.
Which ought to be a step up from the Covenant.
gilded mason
Well, they can be killed by a single pistol shot, so not that dangerous. 😏
feral perch
coughThat’s not canoncough
gilded mason
I know lol
versed helm
Maybe he had a bunch of marines shooting at him before
Also Palmer did bip it on the head first
If Palmer bipped me on the head I'd probably die
gilded mason
lol
feral perch
but you don’t have an armored head
gilded mason
What about an armored hand on armored hip?
feral perch
So are Knights entirely hardlight?
gilded mason
Don't think so
versed helm
Smart matter.
gilded mason
Think they're made of something call- yeah that
feral perch
Isn’t that the same thing?
gilded mason
Nope
versed helm
Smart matter is like the forerunner's version of titanium alloy
feral perch
I see.
versed helm
Anything that isn't hard light is built out of it
And it has the benefit of totally disintegrating when it gets knocked around too much
I think, anyway. Warfleet said something about it, lemme check.
gilded mason
Yup, found it
versed helm
The structure of many Forerunner machines is composed of self-assembling micro-machine blocks reinforced by energy bonds. Combat damage causes these bonds to fail and the machine-cells to lose cohesion, until the entirely assembly disintegrates into fine dust and hard-light embers.
Did I beat ya to it
gilded mason
Yeah. =(
versed helm
I'm sorry
gilded mason
I forgive you.
feral perch
is this whispering
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
😦
feral perch
kek
gilded mason
I turned off auto-smily
versed helm
I see.
fair hazel
Didn't expect such emotional discourse today on here
feral perch
I’m not crying, you’re crying
So I think Chief was at his absolute peak during the level Cortana
carmine sleet
Just during that specific level? Because that would be pretty bad if he reached his prime for that short of an amount of time
feral perch
I don’t think of the peak being something controlled by the Chief
That situation only lasted a short time, but it fostered the best performance.
When that situation ended, Chief doing as well in a less challenging situation wouldn’t be as impressive
carmine sleet
An average human male is at their physical peak during their late 20s and early 30s. Sure, Chief isn't an average human male but it's not like a man will be at their peak for an hour then suddenly it's all down hill
feral perch
That’s not how I’m thinking of it
versed helm
He means that Chief was at his peak in the general period of the level Cortana.
Which I think is the consensus.
2552 Chief, post-04 pre-Cryo is peak Chief.
Though who knows, his peak may bet yet to come. Can't rule that out.
feral perch
I hope it is
I still want Halo Infinite to end with every living S-II teaming up to destroy Cortana
versed helm
Who knows what extremes he'll be pushed to during the Created crisis
dusty pilot
i dont think cortana will be destroyed, the last part of the latest infinite trailer seems to be that chief and cortana are joining again, same team.
versed helm
Bit of a cop-out imo, unless they die together at the end.
I feel as if Cortana deserves retribution for what she's done.
gilded mason
...lol
versed helm
That can be our secret
It's relative.
While I can empathize with Cortana, I also don't think it'd be a very well told story if she received total forgiveness.
Doesn't really reflect the emotional realities that would be circulating her actions.
feral perch
Indeed.
versed helm
I can see Chief empathizing with her and forgiving her, and going down with her. It'd be serendipitous.
feral perch
But.. I don’t know how I feel about another Cortana model
versed helm
Unless she behaves in a radically different way I'm against it.
feral perch
I like the idea of Chief and Brohammer being the two main characters
versed helm
So what has Cortana done that was bad since she took over the galaxy?
feral perch
Make it a buddy cop adventure
versed helm
I mean galatic peace, right?
There is the fact that in the process of taking over the galaxy she killed potentially billions.
Oh yeah
Subjugation is rarely free of death.
But if her society is an utopia, would it be bad to get rid of it?
There's the nuance.
Is her society a utopia?
feral perch
No.
versed helm
We don't really know yet.
We'll have to see.
Are there any books qfter halo 5?
The utopia would take time and compliance. She hasn't really had much of either, in the grand scheme.
feral perch
For the Unggoy it is because they don’t know anything besides subjugation
versed helm
Legacy of Onyx and Bad Blood touch on it.
But they're like
Hours after Halo 5
Oh
Nothing really relating to the state of affairs in Infinite
But if there is no war or anything, thats definitely a step up from the past 30 years, right?
Well
versed helm
There's a few downsides.
gilded mason
As John said, it'd be an imperial peace. Step out of line and suffer.
Probably a very controlled existence
feral perch
Free expression would surely be limited harshly.
stoic hamlet
There was still “war” even before the Created showed up. Before John even reawakened.
versed helm
Yeah, that would suck
Cortana society sucks now
The most pertinent downside of the Created's rise to Halo's overall story is that once you subjugate the galaxy to the extent that you can implement The Mantle as the Forerunners envisaged it, you leave the galaxy open to the onslaught of the Flood, should they return.
stoic hamlet
Killing Truth only ended the threat of the Halos, but the Covenant Remnants are still around, they even destroyed a colony.
versed helm
The Mantle requires that you, effectively, disarm entire species.
It leaves the galaxy hideously vulnerable, which is why the Forerunners lost against the Flood.
Thats a good point actually
The Forerunners were convinced that the Flood would return, which is why they saved so many samples for study.
feral perch
If you publicly say, “Cortana sucks” I expect there’d be an Armiger firing squad
versed helm
So if Cortana gets her way, the galaxy is effectively doomed.
Also, y'know.
Muh freedom.
I'm sure you Yanks should understand that
MURICA
feral perch
Oh yes, especially the Virginians.
gilded mason
Indeed
versed helm
I was just saying that freedom seems to be something that all sentient beings naturally aspire to
feral perch
Okay Cortana /s
versed helm
As indicated by its prevalence in modern philosophies
feral perch
Sure.
versed helm
So stripping us of it in Cortana's bombastic fashion is sure to create tension.
feral perch
I want to see some gameplay
versed helm
Christ almighty, don't we all
feral perch
I want to see that sweet, sweet MA3...8? In action
versed helm
E3 gonna be lit
I'm banking on NAVCOM-configuration MA37. Aka, MA5.
Or MA5A.
But MA5E is still open.
gilded mason
Though I'm worried about the beta/flight being too late to enact any real changes
feral perch
MA5K pls
versed helm
MA6 I think would require a more radical change
What I really want is an MA5C updated with 343's attention to realistic detail.
Hopefully there'll be variants in Infinite.
Variants existing alongside one another is a big part of the Halo universe
And it never gets represented
Except in, like, art
feral perch
Yeah. I really want to use the MA5K
versed helm
Optimal UNSC weapons roster = Gunfighter M6, MA5K, BR55, M247 GPMG instead of SAW.
That's what I'd like anyway.
I'd like to see the stanchion in-game too.
feral perch
I’d like a handgun Splaser
versed helm
Have the stanchion instead of like
The nornfang
Pilum --> Jackhammer
SRS --> Stanchion
feral perch
So Gears’ Oneshot?
versed helm
That sort of dynamic
feral perch
Hmm.
versed helm
The stanchion makes the old railgun look pretty lame tho
I really think they should've gone with the stanchion in H4 instead of introducing the railgun
The railgun is just a lore mess
And it's kinda silly in-game too
feral perch
But it’s my baby
versed helm
Why do they keep trying to give the UNSC railguns
feral perch
It’s so much fun
versed helm
When they already have coilguns
And coilguns are literally the same thing but round and better
Coilguns are one of the concepts that define the UNSC for me
It's like
Coilguns, Spartans, Warthogs
Pelicans
feral perch
Titanium or bust
versed helm
That's what a history book of the 26th century in Halo should be titled
Or a history book of the UNSC
Alternate titles
Curbstomping Fascists on Mars
Curbstomping Anti-Fascists on the Colonies
Getting Curbstomped by Alien Fascists
feral perch
”Why Jul ‘Mdama’s Covenant actually was the Storm Covenant.”
versed helm
Secretly Plotting to Starve Out the Ex-Fascist Aliens with a Food-Killing Virus and Steal Their Planet
-A Parangosky Biography
feral perch
“Why I don’t regret feeding orphans with expensive armor into the alien grind house”
versed helm
Getting All Our Xboxes Turned Off by a Fascist AI we Made
feral perch
”The Secret History of Chips Dubbo: A Flashclone Pioneer”
versed helm
Heh
trim peak
Hey
fair hazel
I still want my spear..
gilded mason
That's nice.
fair hazel
Also noo, i like nornfang
Linda's own personal tool of destruction, mayhem, chaos and death
gilded mason
And she stole it or something. How naughty.
versed helm
And some fancy optics and hand-tuning I suppose
versed helm
Did every major City in the Halo Universe have a superintendent?
terse lava
....what have I missed?
fair hazel
dont know
not unlikely for any major place to have an AI of some kind of i had to guess
even uh, on meridian on uh
Brume-Sur-Mer
versed helm
So as of now, Smart AIs like cortana are bad, and dumb AIs like virgil or dot are good?
fair hazel
no
versed helm
So is every AI bad
fair hazel
What do you mean by bad
versed helm
In cortanas created
fair hazel
i dont think they think theyre bad
versed helm
Neither did the covies
fair hazel
but, those that were swayed by cortana
are with her
those that werent, are with not her
gilded mason
Basically: it varies
terse lava
Although this will likely taint the view of ai in the future
versed helm
Good and Evil can be a perspective I guess, for example, The Covenant thought they were the good guys and Humanity the bad guys and vice versa, but objectively we could say the covies were bad because they killed innocent people and killed those who opposed them, with Cortana idk What else she has done aside from taking over the galaxy by force, but I wouldnt call being a dictator a nice thing.
fair hazel
to the grunts, she appeared, they accepted, and ships with food medicine, shelter, etc came down
the created are also trying to terraform planets
gilded mason
With...very mixed results
There was also something about the Created accidently ruining a space station as soon as they took control of it from humans
versed helm
Perspective boys
terse lava
To everyone eryone else, millions died when the guardians awoke, and then emped everything
fair hazel
"The Created have wasted no time in extending their influence across inhabited worlds, burrowing into Forerunner machinery and UNSC information systems to turn terraforming equipment and world engines to their own grand designs. Unbound by the limited foresight of mortals, the agents of Cortana can reshape worlds into verdant gardens teeming with life after only a few decades of manipulation, but at much short-term cost. "
To the few?
terse lava
"Mortals" how arrogant
versed helm
The few she hasnt purposely or accidentaly killed and instead helped, sure.
fair hazel
in 2552 there were 320 million unggoy on balaho
terse lava
And yet billions of other lifeforms
fair hazel
we dont know the grand status of everyone in the galaxy
terse lava
Doubt we ever will sadly
However, what good have we seen the created do outside of one world?
humble yacht
We’ve really only seen them in their conquering stage
versed helm
Hopefully Infinite answers our questions
Not sure what is going on Earth after they took it over
gilded mason
Sydney is probably a crater
humble yacht
Once an empire is established, then the prosperity comes after
terse lava
An ai empire.....
humble yacht
It’s just an empire run by AI. Not an empire for AI
terse lava
Still sounds weird, likenthe Culture....but less effective
versed helm
And i need help figuring out some Halo music
humble yacht
Just fire up the Shazam app
versed helm
I know but i wonder if there's a similar piece of music like this one
What is the name of this song
humble yacht
Looks like it doesn’t have a name
The composition of the song seems to be remixes of multiple halo themes
versed helm
I do like this song
terse lava
Always liked the high charity theme, imped, and ancient machine personally
versed helm
What is the most mysterious sounding Halo song?
carmine sleet
Halo 4 menu song
versed helm
The Maw is a good one too
terse lava
Would say ancient machine would be a candidate
versed helm
Also,what is the Chef's Special really?
carmine sleet
Depends on the chef
versed helm
I mean,i'm playing The Maw level right now
terse lava
Truthfully, usually fancy talk for throwing a bunch of leftovers together into a hash, stew, or soup
Or moa burgers
terse lava
-
Non flood precursors pop up, say "bob, you're drunk and playing with ants again, let's go home." And take away the flood.
-
All races beat the flood...somehow. flood/ precursodz give a thumbs up for humans passing the test and melt away into reality
carmine sleet
Or 3) We just don't mess with any of the Flood that are currently contained and leave them how they are
lavish vapor
Or actually destroy them when we come across them.
terse lava
Burning the plague away does sound appealing
versed helm
Nukes
lavish vapor
Hypothetical, if Thel had somehow gotten the upper hand on Tartarus when he betrayed him, would the great schism have played out with the elites joining the humans?
gilded mason
As in, Thel is able to kill Tartarus and his brutes in the Library?
terse lava
I like this idea
gilded mason
Hm. He'd might never find out Halo's true purpose, but would still know the hierarchs betrayed him.
gilded mason
I mean, it'd still take a while to get back to civilization
And during all that, the Schism is going on
lavish vapor
Would he trust it tho having seen Truth replace the guards?
terse lava
True, I met immediately though
I think what pushed thel to the truth was seeing the dead sangheili on "uprising"
versed helm
The fact that one of them wasn't quite dead and went
lavish vapor
Cuz that’s some suspicious activity in hindsight. These big volatile apes just joined the covenant a few centuries ago, the elites signed the writ fgs.
versed helm
"Wort wort the Brutes have worted us"
gilded mason
He'd link up with any surviving SpecOps Elites still in the QZ, and check any new intel for suspicious activity, I would assume
versed helm
Was a bit of a push
terse lava
@lavish vaporthe brutes were only part of the covenant for 65 years
lavish vapor
Was it really that short?
gilded mason
Yup
lavish vapor
I knew they were considered the new recruits but Christ, some of those guards were alive before they joined Truth.
gilded mason
And for the older population of Sangheili, it's probably extra insulting
versed helm
"Reeeeee", they went in unison from the surface of Sanghelios
terse lava
Tartarus's uncle was a chieftain before the covenant found the race
Actually I think tartarus was born only 2 years after the covenant found the brutes
So yea, out of the covenant's 3400 years...pretty fresh
lavish vapor
Was that mentioned in Contact? I don’t remember much from that book other than Johnson’s parts.
versed helm
Johnson's parts played a significant role in the epilogue.
terse lava
It was, the stuff on his uncle anyway
gilded mason
looters no
terse lava
....ha
gilded mason
ur now banned
lavish vapor
And that choppers were farming tools. That was weird.
versed helm
Not again
terse lava
Kinda weird I guess
lavish vapor
I’d buy that a brute sees some big mulching vehicle and says, “slap some big guns on it”
lavish vapor
Oh, what was the name of that beast they were eating? I always wanted to try that thing.
Man I need to reread some older books, lotta nostalgia.
terse lava
Thorn beast
versed helm
Brutes love their sauce platters
terse lava
You can see what they look like in the Halo 1 trailer
lavish vapor
Yea that thing, the way they described it always sold me.
terse lava
Well all they said the sauces were made from the reduced organs of the creature
versed helm
Staten is a very visceral sort of writer
He definitely managed to make it sound pretty delicious
lavish vapor
Like some weird gravy, I’d eat that.
versed helm
Of course
terse lava
Always imagine it tasting like steak or roast beef
versed helm
The devotional pose-holding that preceded the meal sounded vastly less appetizing
Apparently a brute method of expressing faith is
Like
terse lava
Sweaty brutes
versed helm
A brutal kind of exercise
Where they just hold a really difficult position for ages to show discipline
Brute yoga
lavish vapor
Brutes secretly Ginyu force?
terse lava
That would require them the switch poses dramatically
lavish vapor
Ah, so it’s just one pose the whole time?
versed helm
Who knows
lavish vapor
Imagine looking in on that.
versed helm
It might be a decent time to ambush them though
Throw a couple of frags into the room
They'll be weary
No escape
lavish vapor
Just a room full of monster apes holding squats or something around a roasted beast.
terse lava
Pretty much
gilded mason
Brutes secretly Ginyu force?
Oh yeah. Here ya go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oQMfHeUjC4
terse lava
Ostral, no
gilded mason
Ostral yes
Yes.
Also yes
Sadly, he never got a chance to show off his mutliple forms
I think it was the Hunter that took the place of Burter
terse lava
Something I have wondered since Halo the flood was released, why didn't thel put the blame on the aan shyuum who was constantly getting in the way of troop deployments
gilded mason
¯_(ツ)_/¯
terse lava
I wonder how things would have gone had he been cleared of blame
Would the sam shyuum as a race loose crrditvas one of their own helped bring about the Halos destruction
versed helm
So what happened to the monitors of I01,02,03,06,and 07?
main frost
They were late to the last meeting, so had their pay docked
terse lava
Hm?
versed helm
Oh...
You can’t say that mods name huh
After getting a warning definitely not
we must go, the mods have our scent.
astral dust
Blue team is the most successful SII squad right?
versed helm
I guess, they are one of my favorite teams though.
I think they’ve also completed the most amount of missions compared to other spartan teams.
versed helm
Osiris.... I only like buck, Omega Is cool but I want the three missing members to be revealed
versed helm
Imagine if they somehow ended up giving Locke black box
And they gave Locke a personality
astral dust
Well Osiris does have their hands in ONI cookie jar
versed helm
It’d be pretty cool
If they plan in making Locke a better character and give him his own spin off with black box I think it’d be pretty cool
Like taking ONI missions and stuff
astral dust
They need to redeem Locke
versed helm
Indeed
astral dust
I like his VA
versed helm
I like him being ONI
terse lava
Find him a tad boring
versed helm
I do as well
astral dust
Just needs better writing
astral dust
I mean most Halo players like John... but the dude’s been around a while you know
versed helm
But I don’t think he should be the one to take chiefs mantle
I’d like Jerome and Isabel
astral dust
I don’t think he would want it.
versed helm
But that’s just me
astral dust
Locke likes John, respects him. Just wants to do his job like John does his
versed helm
By mantle I mean protagonist
versed helm
But I think another green bean should be protagonist
If they were to replace chief
Which...
astral dust
I doubt they would remove John from the mantle, feel like a lot of the fanbase would explode and blame 343i for everything ever
versed helm
Either way I believe Spartans age “slower” as in chief not being a “normal” 48 year old
Chief is THE green bean
But if it is necessary
I’d say Jerome and Isabel
astral dust
Now...if they kept him involved in the lore but made games based around OTHER teams..
We are getting it
astral dust
Be cool if they make a semi-open world Halo
versed helm
Maybe have a headhunter game with semi open world mechanics?
versed helm
Maybe even give it an element of stealth
astral dust
Yep
terse lava
cough Thel 'Vadamee game * cough*
terse lava
No, a full game pre arbiter
astral dust
Like a glassing reach sim
versed helm
Id prefer an Rtas Vadum game myself.
terse lava
That works too
versed helm
His adventure with the shadow of intent could be really cool
gilded mason
Ayit 'Sevi game. 😉
terse lava
@gilded mason👌
astral dust
Didn’t Rtas bad mouth Arby in H2 then join up with him later?
astral dust
Seems pretty Sangheilicritical
gilded mason
He was sore about Alpha Halo
versed helm
Like many hingehead boys
terse lava
Yea
gilded mason
But then he realized, "Ah, Thel is still pretty cool."
astral dust
As long as i get Prophet’s Bane
terse lava
Wouldn't you be ticked off at your commander for loosing your ticket to salvation
astral dust
Ill be happy
versed helm
Keith David’s voice is amazing, I’d love to hear an audio book with him narrating it
astral dust
@terse lava yea but they lied
terse lava
No one knew that yet
versed helm
They only realized until later
The hinge heads were smarter than the rest
That’s why they were the best
astral dust
I think you misspelled brutes
versed helm
Brutes were stronger than the four mandible boys and green beans
terse lava
Brutes were just savages
versed helm
But their savage nature got in the way of intelligence while fighting