I dont need congregation in lego
#lore-and-universe
astral dust
My guy... I am buying the Mega UNSC infinity
hasty locust
Yeah IK
jolly furnace
same as Halo MMO
hasty locust
The builds I’ve seen look super fun
Halo MMO was a cluster -yoink-
At least it looked like one
terse lava
Btw
jolly furnace
I wanna know what the heck the Precursor stuff wouold have been like since that was option for a toy line or mega blocks figures
hasty locust
Every spartan design didn’t have a helmet and they were running around with chainsaw arms
astral dust
You know Mega has a 3ft UNSC Infinity model you can build... it is very cool. Gonna buy it and then the Pillar of Autumn
hasty locust
I have the FUD
terse lava
Anyone remember when mega block halo did that police set? Other choices were precursor and ancient humanity
astral dust
Unless they are Halo LEGO than they are for adults..
jolly furnace
And fans chose insurrectionists over AH and precursors
astral dust
@terse lava Yes i do!
astral dust
My guy, save them . Good collectors item
astral dust
Ahhh, it is still cool though
terse lava
Ah the memories
astral dust
Halo gives me the best nostalgia memories in my life
astral dust
Now who is it. Hot or something that does figurines?
terse lava
Mega construct
hasty locust
Hot toys does 1/6 scale statues if that’s what you mean
They made a carter and a Emile I believe
hasty locust
Macfarlane ones aren’t the best quality
hasty locust
Only you can judge for what you think is good but I have a few reach and 3 ones, and the joints are stiff or loose and there’s not enough articulation they are also tiny etc
astral dust
@terse lava I was scrolling s through some Waypoint forums the other day... and there you are. I saw you 😂
astral dust
Thats cool
terse lava
@astral dustheh
terse lava
Btw do you guys think Fal's portrayal of fighting thr covenant army was accurate? Or more embellished retelling
astral dust
Is Fel from the Duel animation?
hasty locust
I’m not gonna answer that due to my disdain of halo legends
terse lava
Why hatred for it
hasty locust
Other then the first two ones with the flood and the forerunners I just didn’t find much enjoyment in them
Like the ODST team hunting the prophet was kinda silly and they didn’t portray ODSTs very well for me
But it’s all opinion
terse lava
Origins 1&2 were nice I think. The babysitter was kind of odd, though not as bad I'd say as the package
Chief and co. Making it past a covenant fleet on glorified mac bikes?
fair hazel
If you don't really want to answer things about it or talk about it, i feel like it'd be better to just not say anything rather than saying "I’m not gonna answer that due to my disdain of halo legends"
fair hazel
no..
terse lava
Nope
hasty locust
Ah ok
terse lava
I thought the duel though was a well built story
hasty locust
Idk where my memory is coming from lol
terse lava
shrug who knows
hasty locust
That’s the one that looks like ink sketches kinda deal?
Probably not
Meh, somewhat
fair hazel
the duel is the one that looks like a painting
hasty locust
Yeah
terse lava
Mhm
hasty locust
Wait so what are all the episodes?
Package, babysitter, prototype, the duel, origins...
fair hazel
The package, the babysitter, the protype, the duel, origins 1, origins 2, odd one out
terse lava
Yes
hasty locust
Ah
terse lava
The overall anime-esque one yea
fair hazel
they're all anime
stoic hamlet
Going back and watching it. 1337 didn’t act too OOC for a Spartan.
In terms of actions anyways. Dialogue definitely.
hasty locust
Like why add a gundan (is that what those mech thingys are called? Idk) into halo
terse lava
Well makes sense they would develop it
It was a secret project
And marines need something to match a mgalekgolo
hasty locust
True but maybe they would design something that fits human anatomy
terse lava
It did
terse lava
It looks like a larger, mech like version of any armot chief and the others would wear
Still a humanoid shape
hasty locust
Except the thighs
terse lava
I did say humanoid, not perfectly human
hasty locust
Want me to DM the image real quick?
terse lava
Nah I can see it
hasty locust
Ok
terse lava
Halopedia 😊
terse lava
The legs would need to be like that for the extra support
hasty locust
But the pilots thighs would have to bend to a 90 degree to fit
Like if the mech was bigger so the legs and arms could fit in the torso/stomach area
terse lava
Quite certain in the prototype his legs were perfectly fine
obsidian thistle
You do remember what I said about visuals right and Legends xD
terse lava
But I am no expert on human tech
hasty locust
Yes 😔
obsidian thistle
Visuals be semi/non-canon
hasty locust
Sorry, sir 😞
hasty locust
I have been bested once more by the CIA
obsidian thistle
But the look
hasty locust
Is non canon
obsidian thistle
Or Semi-canon
hasty locust
Green machine or the new mega construx set is probably more realistic
terse lava
shrug
hasty locust
Elites have 4 fingers right?
terse lava
2 fingers 2 thumbs
hasty locust
Yeah
terse lava
Why?
hasty locust
Idk
wide crystal
why not??
hasty locust
Trying to get off legends to prevent an argument
terse lava
Huh..ok, well how about this, would you forgive the sangheili for the war as a human, or seek forgivness/ atonement as an ex covenant
hasty locust
Depend if I knew anyone on the colonies that got glassed
But having a best friend elite would be pretty sick
terse lava
Would be pretty nice
astral dust
Did you guys watch the oni archive video on the Halo YT channel?
terse lava
Nope
terse lava
Nice
astral dust
@terse lava Where does a Arbiter rank in the Sangheili Military? Is he below a Imperial Admiral?
terse lava
Pre-fal or post-fal?
obsidian thistle
High and Low at the same time.
versed helm
I'm not Ado, but being that they tend to serve as the personal assets of prophets, I'd assume their exact rank is very flexible.
versed helm
Thel was treated very poorly, but Ripa clearly had a great deal of authority under Regret.
Really they're just in charge of whoever their direct superiors, the hierarchs, say they're in charge of.
terse lava
Before fal, he was the highest rank of sangheili, military chief of the covenant..after fal became a more high religious figure compared to true military
Before the heresy, would say the arbiter was 2nd, if not equal to the hierarchs
versed helm
I always called the giant plant at the end of halo 2 Barry
terse lava
The...gravemind?
hasty locust
^
versed helm
Here's a question..why did the Precursors want humanity to hold the Mantle?
🤷♂️ 🤷 🤷♀️ 
Also,if the Flood returns to the galaxy en mass,what's the best plan?
astral dust
Either we all die. Or we find to kill the Gravemind.
versed helm
Or fire the Array..again
terse lava
Or, or hear me out. We take the galaxy, and move it someplace else
astral dust
This is not mass effect, nope. Not doing it.
astral dust
That is what mass effect did
They went to Andromeda Galaxy
Because of a destructive lifeform. The Reapers.
terse lava
Yes...they left the galaxy, not move the galaxy itself
terse lava
sigh I wasn't serious about it. Only precursors can pull that off
versed helm
So i got a question regarding Conversations of the Universe
astral dust
Shoot
versed helm
So it said that other races visited Alpha Halo prior to the arrival of the Covenant and UNSC,my question is,who are these other races that visited the Ring?
terse lava
No one knows
astral dust
^
versed helm
Some dudes
terse lava
Only that they visited alpha halo, recorded it, studied it, and moved on
astral dust
Basically some nurds with a diary.
versed helm
Meaning that they were probably pretty advanced.
We all know that if humanity encounters a 10,000km ring of pure alien space magic in space, we set up shop
And all other known species in the 26th century Halo universe are fairly liable to do the same
astral dust
Sign outside said “We have free cookies”
versed helm
So for them to go "interesting" and leave means they must have a pretty different outlook.
versed helm
Wasn't outside meddling one of the possible reasons for the Flood outbreak on Delta Halo other than 2401 PT becoming lazy
terse lava
Implied
versed helm
It's certainly a possibility.
A very valid one.
It also makes me wonder what happened to the Monitors of I01,02,03,06,and 07
terse lava
Went on a a vigorous coffee break
unique rune
caffeine overdose
terse lava
Ancient records only comment copious amounts of sugar, caffeine, and logic plague
versed helm
So that sarcophagus that GS built around that unknown alien space craft,did that thing even survive the destruction of I04?
terse lava
Doubt it
Though guess it would depend on where it was located
We certainly never come near it
versed helm
I still wonder who or what even built that ship
versed helm
That ship crash landed on I04 in 40k BC,57,445 years after the Firing of the Array and the subsequent reseeding of all of the indexed lifeforms
terse lava
Yep
versed helm
So what race could've went from being reseeded on their own home world to being space faring within that timeframe
terse lava
We dont even k ow if it was from this galaxy
versed helm
True
Is it possible that it might be the same beings that nearly killed Crecka in the System of Miasmic Giants?
Also,what's the name of the song that plays during the 3rd CEA terminal?
spiral jewel
I know Johnson, John, Linda (who was in a Cryo tube) and a handful of people survived Alpha Halo, but were there others who made it off ring prior to it's destruction... Both UNSC and Covenant?
versed helm
Either one i guess
Well
Discussing the nature of the gravemind is a complex and interesting pursuit
My interpretation is that there is a single Cthulu-like Gravemind consciousness that can manifest through multiple Gravemind-level keymind forms simultaneously. There can be and have been multiple Gravemind forms, but there is only one sentient being between them.
Well
Not necessarily
Maybe
I mean I've heard people make valid arguments that each Gravemind is a separate being that maintains a continual knowledge and personality thanks to information embedded in the DNA of the FSC.
And yeah. Presumably wiping out a Gravemind form, if the single Gravemind consciousness theory is true, would be immensely troublesome for any Flood operating within that form's sphere of influence.
If it was the only source of the Gravemind's influence - the genesis point of a certain outbreak's control structure, assuming that the control signal is range limited - then it would revert the Flood down an entire evolutionary phase.
gilded mason
Though I assume "responsibility" would immediatey fall to any number of other keyminds around.
versed helm
Right, but if those keyminds aren't imbued with the Gravemind consciousness, presumably it'd be a bit like being bossed around by a dumb AI.
gilded mason
True
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
Literally tho
Um, actually, hard to say.
Most lore answers indicate biomass.
I think it's more reasonable that what we're looking at is concentration of assimilated consciousnesses.
gilded mason
Here's what HW2 has to say about them:
After an infestation is established the parasite transitions from feral aggression to coordinated conversion by creating specialised Flood organisms that network their individual intelligences. These key minds act as coordinators for nearby Flood, leveraging wisdom harvested from the parasite's hosts to expand, outwit, overwhelm, and consume other life.
As the Flood grow in number these key minds combine and expand into larger, exponentially more intelligent networks. The appearance of these vile collectives typically indicate most local animal life and sentient hosts have been infected or consumed. Once a critical mass of key minds have combined the Flood's centralized intelligence can begin to emerge in their seething mass of corrupted flesh: a Proto-Gravemind that sifts through and feeds on the memories of every Flood-infected victim. ```So yeah. Assimilated consciousnesses.
It stands to reason that, via relatively basic biological processes, the FSC could replicate more FSC.
But creating consciousness is actually a bit of a hidden primary theme in Halo.
Seems like it's not so easy to do.
gilded mason
playing god hard
versed helm
So keyminds are all concentrations of assimilated smart matter. Brains, nervous systems.
Consciousness that the Flood can use as computing power.
versed helm
Infection forms serve a double-duty of being both shock troops used early on in an infestation and a means of collecting intelligence.
@versed helm For a keymind war form like a juggernaut or abomination type thing, couple dozen.
A low-level proto-gravemind, couple hundred.
That'd be my estimate.
Oh yeah, because they're huge brains.
But if they had enough raw biomass to move the hugeness of themselves, they probably would.
It's just coincidental that enough raw biomass to turn into moving capacity for something like that also tends to come with enough assimilated minds to graduate to a fully-fledged Gravemind form.
Any biomass that you concentrate into your Gravemind and proto-Gravemind forms is biomass you can't be using to fight the enemy, really.
Also remember the scale of Halo Wars is screwy.
It's an abstraction.
But really, it's about resource management. If a proto-gravemind form had nobody to fight or infect, it might well concentrate the resources it has into one big moving armature for itself.
It'd depend on the scale of the transformation.
At minimum it'd take the time it takes to move all the biomass needed where it needs to be.
Literally no way to answer that
SHRUG
INTENSE SHRUGGING
🤷♂️ 🤷♂️ 🤷♂️
versed helm
Y'know what'd be really cool?
gilded mason
Ice
versed helm
MA5s with underbarrel grenade launchers being put into a game.
Also
Some lore saying that the default underbarrel flashlight is more than just a flashlight. Like a combi flashlight/optical sensor thingo.
I think that'd be neat.
That is all.
gilded mason
It better make that ultra-satisfying "glunk" sound when you fire the grenade
fresh hearth
What do Precursor structures look like?
versed helm
Nothing cuz they got Halo'd
fresh hearth
Ohhhh right
true shadow
In terms of lore which elite armour design is your guys favourite?
gilded mason
The combat harness design seen in CE.
true shadow
Any specific rank tied to it that you like over the others?
gilded mason
Minor, since blue is nice
true shadow
Noice
versed helm
Red is nice.
true shadow
A man of taste
versed helm
I'm pretty keen on a few design queues from all the variants.
I think they all have good elements.
true shadow
Honestly if reach had full elite customisation I’d use the minor helmet 24/7
gilded mason
The SpecOps elites in CE were also really cool
versed helm
I'm very fond of the CEA elites, myself.
I think they strike an excellent balance.
In all regards, really. Colour, armour shapes, recognizable and important variations.
I would say H2A but there's not a lot of variance there.
H3 is also epic.
gilded mason
Eh, CEA/Reach Elite armor got a bit too gaudy for me, outside of a few like Minor and Ranger
versed helm
I think Reach rangers are the best rangers.
gilded mason
My favorite rangers are H2/H2A
true shadow
imo I like the idea of elites having specifications made to their armour design to show rank or role. Like in halo reach how for the most part the only elite variant that used active camo was the spec ops
versed helm
Honor Guards are my favorite hingeheads
gilded mason
Stop saying hingehead, gawd
gilded mason
The correct term for Sangheili is Squidhead
gilded mason
👌
versed helm
Who could not have picked a worse enemy than the human race
true shadow
Also if I had to pick a favourite design of elite armour it’d be the halo reach ultras. I feel like their armour is reminiscent of the elite councillors from halo 2
versed helm
Reach ultras are definitive
What did those dino boys do during the ancient era? What exactly is known about them during that era?
If only because Ground Command gave them their dank lore
gilded mason
What did those dino boys do during the ancient era? What exactly is known about them during that era?```
Not much at all is known.Fought a lot and rode bug horses
gilded mason
Though they apparently only had a lifespan of 27 human years back then
true shadow
Yikes really?!
gilded mason
According to the Catalog, yeah
versed helm
I hope we get more info about them during that era
true shadow
And now it’s jumped up to over 200
gilded mason
Yup
true shadow
They’re doing pretty good for themselves then hehe
gilded mason
👍
versed helm
I mean if their ancient lifespan was comparable to ancient humans
Makes you wonder how much of that 200 is Covenant medical tech
gilded mason
Yeah
true shadow
True, modern medical advancement has increased the human lifespan
I heard that by the year 2552 the age of 60 was still considered a common age of active duty for marines
gilded mason
Cut dialogue from the Didact has some odd implications for Sangheili
I'll go see if I can find it
Sangheili: "Pilgrims... on the path of enlightenment."
Ur-Didact: (exhales) "You are Sangheili, loyal and strong — even in your second form. You will serve well.```The only time I can recollect the didact talking about the elites is when he says “even these beasts recognise what you are oblivious to human.”
versed helm
@true shadow Johnson is the biggest example of a marine that age.
true shadow
Yeah I know
versed helm
Some people put it all at the feet of his ORION history. I take it as an indication of humanity's own medical tech.
You can imagine the UNSC incentivising enlistment by subsidizing age treatments.
true shadow
Perhaps yeah
“Even in your second form you will serve well”
Does this imply that ancient sangheili differed biologically or technologically from the current day elites?
gilded mason
He just got out of the Cryptum
true shadow
Oh yeah true
I guess being locked away for a good hundred thousand years will do that
gilded mason
The exhale could also be, like, "Aaah, you are Sangheili..."
versed helm
Last time he was locked in a Cryptum
true shadow
Also true
versed helm
He came out like a shrivelled date
gilded mason
gross
versed helm
And had to be rehydrated and exercised by Bornstellar
I guess he got all that out of the way within the Cryptum when he was luring in his escape
true shadow
I wonder if chief would’ve had to go through some forms of rehabilitation after exiting his cryptum had cortana succeeded
versed helm
Wasn't it it for that long.
gilded mason
"Oh whoops. My bad, Johnny-wonny."
versed helm
Oh wait lmao
true shadow
PFFFT
versed helm
Yeah, he probably would've
Unless
The version of cryptum on Requiem and his OG version were different
The Ur Didact's, I mean
Knowing 343 that is almost certainly the excuse
gilded mason
lol
true shadow
Hehe
versed helm
Just retcon for once in your lives you maniacs
gilded mason
I know, right
stoic hamlet
“What’s a retcon?”
~343
inner basin
You forgot the extended version Eternal. I think it’s “What’s a retcon? Pffft... What a silly word! Why would we ever use such things?”
~343
stoic hamlet
The one thing they seem to wan to retcon is early MJOLNIR armour
And I wish they didn’t, lol.
gilded mason
Yeah, ain't really a fan of that
true shadow
Something that I always felt was kinda unexplained or plain stupid was that when you swing the needler you swing the side with the needles.
Wouldn’t the needler just explode if you did that?
versed helm
They retcon the sensible elements of MJOLNIR's history to explain really whacky stuff that everyone would've ignored
That's the worst part
true shadow
Instant super combine?
versed helm
Better question
true shadow
Good idea for another cursed halo mod if another one crops up
versed helm
Do needle weapons and the carbine propel their projectiles like some kind of gravitic mass driver?
@gilded mason Like a gauss weapon but with gravity manipulation. What are your thoughts?
gilded mason
Maaaaybe?
versed helm
Nice
true shadow
“Landing a successful melee strike on an enemy with the needler now results in the user and the victim to explode violently”
gilded mason
Glad to help. 😋
versed helm
S'my humble ol' headcanon anyway
gilded mason
Would make sense
versed helm
Honestly
The UNSC may even be able to make gravitic weapons
Since they're playin' grav ball and inertial compensatin' all over the place
Just probably not as efficient as electromagnetics and chemical deflagration
true shadow
I mean... humanity has already invented the means of anti gravity
gilded mason
o no greenslime
true shadow
And if brutes can make gravity hammers then how hard can it be for humanity
versed helm
S'probably all about power generation
true shadow
Perhaps
versed helm
Or the strength of the magnetic fields that can be produced
Evidently humanity's use of gravitic fields is fairly comfortable levels, coupled with inertial compensation and mass mitigation.
true shadow
Also the brutes did blast themselves back to the stone age so they may only have gravity hammers due to covenant intervention
versed helm
They ain't crushing people who're trying to board their ships, for instance
Tho the Covenant don't try that either
Hm
The out-of-universe reasoning for that is obvious
But it'd be good to think up an in-universe reason
gilded mason
Weren't they experimenting with that sorta thing in Broken Circle?
versed helm
Is yet to read that
gilded mason
what
versed helm
sorry
gilded mason
how could you
versed helm
i said im sorry ok
gilded mason
Empty words!
versed helm
ill start tonight
gilded mason
lol k
versed helm
its been on my bedside table since it came out
gilded mason
Golly
versed helm
Ikr
true shadow
Shotgun honestly fills the gap of a UNSC melee weapon
versed helm
It does.
I'd say "melee deterrent".
It seems very much to be a true heavy weapon as opposed to a mere combat shotgun
Given how its spray performs next to something like a 7.62 AP round
versed helm
It is one of those morbidly cool things
true shadow
Probably would be a hazard to friendlies as well as the user
stoic hamlet
The hard sound rifle? No
true shadow
But that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be fun
stoic hamlet
It’s apparently able to be directed at a single target.
ONI uses them for assassinations.
true shadow
Oh nice
only ONI could make a human simulate a shattering wine glass with loud noises
stoic hamlet
The weapon is completely silent. And leaves no entry or exit wound.
There’s no actual projectile.
It’s useless against armour I’m sure.
carmine sleet
But it is untracable since it leaves no markings or residue. Perfect for assassination ops
gilded mason
"This guy said that I am 'a bad kid' online. Take him down, boys."
true shadow
Assuming it does make no sound could imply that the sound it emits is higher than the human threshold of hearing
Which means in reality it makes a super loud sound but because of our biology we can’t hear it because it’s beyond our hearing threshold
stoic hamlet
RIP doggos
true shadow
Rip doggo ears
umbral citrus
human drops dead and nearby sangheili curses as their ears are subjected to a seemingly meaningless audio blast
true shadow
Pfft
astral dust
"I do not remember my name. I do not remember my family. I do not remember my home. But I can remember the game. We played it every day. And I never lost. The game... It's the only thing I can remember about the life I had before I met Doctor Halsey. Since then, I have experienced a lifetime of combat. Through thirty years of war against alien aggressors... I have always known my fate. I knew someday I would die in battle. But now that it is here... now that it is time to die... I find I am not ready."
How do you guys interpret this?
Is John afraid of death? Or does he wish he could do more?
versed helm
He knew it wasn't his time, I suppose.
But I mean, of course he's afraid of death. Courage isn't not being afraid, it's about controlling your fear.
jolly furnace
Origins - visuals - dubious accuracy
Babysitter - canon
The Duel - canon but exaggerated visuals and inaccurate in case of Han's appearance
package - canon bar Halsey's youthful appearance
Odd one out - not canon in any way
lilac oasis
@astral dust i thought John rememberers his family tho. In fall of reach it said it iirc
inner basin
@jolly furnace You’re forgetting a few like the Prototype and Homecoming, unless you’re only listing those 5 specifically
jolly furnace
Yeah i was forgettin those 2.
prototype - canon
homecoming - canon
Is that correct
?
hasty locust
It runs off needles
jolly furnace
needler hmm?
it shoots explosive needle crystal shards
composers use neural physics
as do halos
also human records indicate ancient humans used it to fight the flood somehow
versed helm
What is the name of the song that plays during the 3rd CEA terminal?
versed helm
Anyone got a compliation of halo lore before 343 got involved?
I like bungie era lore alot more
humble yacht
Just look for halo content that came out before 2011
stoic hamlet
^^^
versed helm
I do but it's all flooded with bad 343 lore and revisions
inner basin
“bad 343 lore”. I wouldn’t personally count it as bad, but to each their own I guess. Also I personally prefer 343’s outlook on lore as they care for it more than Bungie ever did. They don’t prioritise game lore over everything else, but count each entry as equals
hasty locust
Me like lore
carmine sleet
Not to mention, some stuff didn't make much sense back in the Bungie days
hasty locust
Like as looters pointed out, the speed of the super mac rounds
terse lava
I agree, 343 does better in lore then bungie did
inner basin
@jolly furnace You are indeed correct. Both homecoming and the prototype are canon. For a while the canonical status of the latter was dubious, but then Midnight in the Heart of Midlothian came out and cemented its canonical status I believe. Maybe it was cemented before that, but as far as I’m aware that most surely cemented the canonical status
inner basin
Was it? Huh?
stoic hamlet
Unless I’m getting their release dates mixed up?
inner basin
I never read it, I only watched the animated version of Midnight in the Heart of Midlothian
hasty locust
Also FoR comicization had the prototype
stoic hamlet
It had the Mark II suits that the later suit was based off of.
inner basin
I was talking about the prototype short story... Featuring Ghost and such...
hasty locust
Yeah in the comic if you go to the panel where cortana is framing ackerson
stoic hamlet
I know.
Yeah Evolutions came first November 2009 compared to Legends 2010.
hasty locust
Oh, sorry
stoic hamlet
Oh that “I know” was directed at Beast
hasty locust
Oh
inner basin
My message was directed at settling, Eternal
hasty locust
Thats what i figured too
stoic hamlet
Ah
feral perch
@versed helm You prefer Bungie’s tiers of canon? Where game lore is prioritized over book lore? Do you like how Bungie majorly screwed up The Fall of Reach novel with Halo: Reach’s timeline revisions? Or how the account of all of Alpha + 99% of Beta Company IIIs being wiped out is no longer actually accurate?
jolly furnace
Bungie never wanted that book to start with and wanted the freedom to do what they wanted with their last halo game so they ignored it
feral perch
Or maybe how Cortana intuitively understands that the Covenant fleet that found Earth at the beginning of Halo 2 was distinctly uninformed on Earth’s status as a human-occupied world, and yet, Cortana also knew of the massive fleet that was gathering at the Unyielding Hierophant before Blue Team destroyed it. She had no idea that the Covenant ministries don’t share information with one another, so how would she guess that the ones that did make it to Earth simply didn’t know it was humanity’s cradleworld?
@jolly furnace Yeah, and that’s awful. They’ve done the same thing with Destiny, as they’ve stated that the original Grimoir cards are now canonically unreliable.
terse lava
Didnt cortana only know of the 500 vessel fleet due to seeing the various orders? As for halo 2, after seeing what happened to reach, its not that far fetched of an idea to consider this fleet goofed up or was uninformed
remote spruce
Any books after Cole Protocol are not Bungie
any comics after Uprising are not bungie (not sure on this)
@versed helm and all the website lore from Bungie.net , it's scattered around somewhere
fair hazel
343 Industries was founded in 2007
astral dust
Who do you think was a “worse” person. Halsey or Ackerson?
versed helm
I prefer their lore more even if you have to squint real hard to connect the game amd book lore together. 343 lore is cringe
astral dust
343 made good lore.. they are more trans media than Bungie ever was
fair hazel
Are you going to explain at all?
astral dust
No, just repeating what a moderator once said.
Plus, you can’t base your entire knowledge of 343 lore on a “few” books.
Unless that someone has read EVERY single book you can’t say 343 makes worse lore, that would not make much sense.
I mean no matter what, lots of members of the Halo community will bash 343 because they are 343.
supple salmon
I’ve only bashed 343 for their Forerunner intense focus but that’s only my opinion and by no means do I believe that one is worse or better just don’t prefer the whole forerunner games/ lore.
quiet umbra
Forerunners are definitely less mysterious now than I'd like them to be
tbh we didn't need answers to all Forerunner questions
jolly furnace
@versed helm something something space magic something
Unlike most Covenant weaponry, the needler does not incorporate reverse-engineered Forerunner technology.[11] The needler was one of the most unusual weapons in the Covenant arsenal and the least understood; how the weapon functions remains a mystery to human military experts and scientists. Like most Covenant weapons, the T-33 GML lacks any kind of electronic, physical or radiative connections between its "trigger" and firing mechanism.[13] However, post-war analysis and study have shown that the shards track their targets by homing in on the specific heat signatures of sighted targets.[14] The physics behind the weapon were apparently not well known as joint human and Sangheili teams were known to be studying the weapon some time after the war.[15]
fair hazel
Not you. Hytac
astral dust
Oh, my mistake. 😅 Sorry.
fair hazel
A mystery for the sake of mystery is shallow
stoic hamlet
^^^^^^
There needs to be a reason for that mystery.
I also really want that explanation as well.
You can’t say something and expect people to accept it if you don’t actually back it up.
humble yacht
maybe they don't want people to accept it. maybe they just want to bash 343 in their server
jolly furnace
Canonically its not neural phyiscs
Neural physics is precursor transcendent science only
Neural Phyiscs is likely higher dimensional physics
terse lava
Again I miss the good stuff thanks to work
feral perch
What could possibly be more cringey than "To war?"
jolly furnace
I should have been the one to fill your dark soul with LIGHT!!!1
Oh wait wrong franchise
versed helm
?
terse lava
I admit I am on the fence eith all thenforerunner stuff revealed. I dont hatebut, but at the same time it feels we know more of them then the covenant
versed helm
I cant say a swear word?
gilded mason
The server is very PG
versed helm
Well I did explain myself I'm not gonna type that all again so cry
feral perch
go sit in the corner
versed helm
No
feral perch
yes
versed helm
No u
feral perch
Boi if you don't...
versed helm
you cant even react to peoples comments in this chat?
feral perch
Point to the biggest offender for cringe that 343i has written.
versed helm
point to my reply that got deleted
feral perch
And no, because of custom reactions being inappropriate I think.
versed helm
jesus
terse lava
Well why would you say 343 was bad over bungie?
feral perch
Well I mean, what is it? Is it a story line? Chief and Cortana's relationship? A novel?
versed helm
now i see why i was banned then.
terse lava
Ok then?
versed helm
i said so in my reply that got deleted
feral perch
we all deal with the censor every now and again
it can't be that hard to re-write the specific details of what you wanted to say
versed helm
im not retyping it. i said the s word and it got deleted just ask the bot to send it to ya
feral perch
That's not possible, I'm not a moderator.
versed helm
well get one of the janitors then
feral perch
So you come in, make a claim, and then won't * respectfully * defend it when you get pushback
whaddya mean "janitors?"
versed helm
the mods
feral perch
A Kig-Yar is nowhere near as fast as a Spartan even out of Mjolnir I believe.
versed helm
and i did defend it. just ask a mod to see it\
feral perch
The mods certainly aren't going to share deleted messages with anyone. That's the policy.
versed helm
well then request for better policies then
versed helm
true, but its the principle of the matter
feral perch
Then don't make claims like that again in a channel dedicated to the discussion of lore.
versed helm
ill make whatever claim i want pal
feral perch
Unknown. Faster than a normal human I think.
I'm not sure if they're hitting Usain Bolt speeds.
terse lava
I wonder if the covenant ever managed to properly reverse any forerunner weapons
gilded mason
It's noted that the Focus Rifle is actually much more advanced and powerful than the Forerunner weapon it was inspired from.
gilded mason
Spartan Field Manual
terse lava
....anything on the plasma rifle?
gilded mason
It also talks about that whole "imitative, not innovative" thing is a bit of a misnomer
terse lava
Good
feral perch
The PR is much more iconic than the Forerunner weapon that inspired it, Ado.
feral perch
miss what?
terse lava
The focus rifle mor iconic? Maybe but the plasmanrifle will always be my favorite
feral perch
No, the PR
the PR is more iconic than whatever unknown forerunner gun that inspired it
terse lava
None did to my knowledge
gilded mason
The Plasma Rifle came before Forerunner inspiration
terse lava
Plasma rifle is fully sangheili 😊
feral perch
I thought so, but Halopedia said it dates back to about five hundred years before the present conflict
feral perch
Oh, it is.
The earliest iterations of the plasma rifle were in use by the Sangheili warrior class for millennia, long before the Covenant itself was established. Human researchers of the UNSC's Office of Naval Intelligence believe that the plasma rifle's current design dates back at least five hundred years, with only slight modifications made to the rifle over time.[3]
gilded mason
Also, nothing of note for the PR entry in the Manual, Ado
gilded mason
I'll PM ya
versed helm
||CSO beats every thing! Well... Except the Infinity I guess. ||
gilded mason
Oh yeah, regarding Kig-Yar, the Manual says they can reach speeds of 72 km/h on average
gilded mason
So they're faster than K, the fastest Spartan
also why is that filter still here
It's been more than a month since release
feral perch
Then Jackal top speeds must be wrong.
feral perch
but they're Jackals
gilded mason
And? Their thing is being agile
feral perch
You misspelled annoying
gilded mason
😏
stoic hamlet
I can buy it
I’m guessing it’s like how modern humans aren’t the fastest but we can keep a top speed longer than basically everything else on the planet.
So a Jackal might be faster but presumably can’t keep that speed up very long.
I would assume faster.
golden belfry
considering how high they jump they would have to have some very string legs
they would generally be faster
thing is though, are jackals and skirmishers a seperate species? Or are they the same
their firefight description implies theyre the same
golden belfry
kinda like why the jackals look different in halo 4/5
hasty locust
Like a blue dart frog (dendrobates azerues) and a green dart frog (dendrebates auratus)
half apex
who is the weakest spartan in the halo universe?
remote spruce
the one who got injured by Stolt the grunt
gilded mason
That's insulting to Stolt
delicate root
Question for fun: if you were in charge of making the second player in Halo CE's campaign part of the story (as in their own character), how would you have changed it to make it work?
hasty locust
Linda or James
stoic hamlet
It would basically need to be Linda
terse lava
Heretic sangheili
hasty locust
Ado recommending an elite lol
The most logical with lore would be Linda
Just gotta yank a few strings and say she didn’t “die” over reach and you good
James would be plausible but you’d have to yank a lot more strings
terse lava
@hasty locustwould you expect anything different from me?
hasty locust
Lol
Would be cool though
You have converted me to the elite awesomeness ways
But BA nonetheless
Even more so then most spartan IV’s
versed helm
If Emile killed all the zealots on the mac cannon and survived in the process.... Then id say Six.
B312 the one you play as
hasty locust
Yeah
versed helm
Since he wouldnt have to stay behind with the mac cannon
He would actually Board the pelican
hasty locust
Indeed
versed helm
Yee
hasty locust
I would say, since master chief was outnumbered, he flash cloned himself once-three times for the back up on the autumn
versed helm
||does that explain why there is two Chiefs in Co-op?||
hasty locust
Yep
versed helm
Wasnt it canon in 3 tho
hasty locust
Yep
versed helm
Since you know... Blue team and osiris are always present no matter if its offline or mp
So 3 and 5's Co-op are canon
hasty locust
Lol
versed helm
Six should've sent the cosplayers to the mac cannon
hasty locust
Except how do you account for the noble double?
hasty locust
Woot
versed helm
In one Six survives
hasty locust
So haloverse
versed helm
Yes
Plot twist, Jorge travelled to a different Halo universe and didnt die by the slips space Bomb.
hasty locust
So every person’s play through is just a different universe in this grand halo verse?
versed helm
Haloverse shall be a thing 
hasty locust
That would be hilarious
versed helm
So the announcer is actually Mr Chief?
hasty locust
Mister chief war zone announcer when?
Blast, he beat me to it
So mister chief is Palmer?
Good
I always thought so
versed helm
The Slayer and other game modes announcer is Mister Chief
Except warzone
Thats nick cage
hasty locust
DOUBLE KILL INTENSIFIES
versed helm
But he isnt the announcer , Nick Cage is.
hasty locust
5 SHECONDS REMAINING
But haven’t we heard mister chief in the req commercials for halo 5
versed helm
Yes
hasty locust
Yes
astral dust
So, I am reading Fall of Reach and Vice Admiral S mentioned the harvest incident. Should I read Harvest before finishing FoR?
Or if someone could DM me the chronology of all the Halo books, I would very much appreciate it.
gilded mason
Just read everything in release order
astral dust
Gotcha
fair hazel
@haughty pecan !lfg
gaunt oakBOT
terse lava
Odd
merry knoll
Yoo
gilded mason
They have a trigger, but apparently Halsey couldn't make heads or tails how it actually connected to actually firing the weapon.
The only one mentioned directly is the needler, but Halsey references a huge cache of a bunch of different kinds that are all like what I mentioned above
versed helm
Thats really interesting
astral dust
Any new books upcoming ?
gilded mason
Nothing announced at the moment, I think
Though I imagine another Troy Denning book is coming at some point
versed helm
In theory there should be some form of community update thing happening one of these days, right?
We might get something announced then.
gilded mason
Here's hopin'
true shadow
If there was another book in the near future what would you want it to focus on?
inner basin
Well there’s no books mentioned yet, but there’s tidbits of lore in those videos that 343 are planning to release in a window of a game’s release on to MCC PC
true shadow
Personally I’m an elite freak so I’d like to see literally anything elite
inner basin
So what do you guys think would of happened to the 9 Spartan-IIIs of mainline Beta Company that did not land on the surface of Pegasi Delta (if they were not killed as Halopedia lists them as presumed dead)? I’m using this as a point of discussion cause Ostral has done the seem with a particular Supreme Commander
true shadow
Definitely some room for fleshing out imo
inner basin
There’s potential if 343 wants to pick up on it if you ask me. Also the way you speak of your admiration for Elite lore is how I feel about Spartan-III lore (except Elites have been fleshed our a lot more than the IIIs).
versed helm
Would you consider Dr.Halsey a war criminal?
true shadow
Halsey did nothing wrong
Spread the word
imo I feel like ONI threw her under the bus
versed helm
Basically made her into a scapegoat
true shadow
Mhm
But it’s ONI so it doesn’t matter how morally or ethically questionable it could be
versed helm
Sure she created the Spartan IIs through highly unethical means but without the Spartans,humanity would be extinct
true shadow
A necessary evil if you will
versed helm
That too
carmine sleet
Kidnapping children is a very bad thing, and given the reason why, she would classify as a war criminal
true shadow
At least she had the best intentions for her spartan IIs instead of making them expendable cannon fodder like ONI did for spartan IIIs
Trading lives for time
versed helm
Also,would you want to see new alien races or have the ones we already have be further expanded upon?
true shadow
I mean... when Bungie introduced the brutes and drones into halo 2 and told us they were already in the covenant before CE you gotta think of how a new species would fit into the lore
versed helm
True
true shadow
Sure it’s nice to encounter new enemies and species but they have to fit into the lore. The only way I could possibly see a new species introduced is through said species being in isolation from the rest of the halo universe or being already mentioned in lore
true shadow
Or the precursors
versed helm
Or the Yonhet and the other Fringe races
Man,i wanna see the Fringe get expanded upon
Like who or what lives outside of the Orion Arm
clever fable
perhaps a galactic coalition of space-faring chinchillas
versed helm
Or a race that probably fought the Covenant at some point in time
humble yacht
They defeated the remnants of Jul’s Covenant
terse lava
The original covenant likely has territory still somewhere due to how vast it was. Jul's group? Shattered
humble yacht
Jul led one group of covenant remnants
The banished are another
And I think there’s at least one more out there that’s been mentioned
true shadow
Because they’re a splinter faction
Of the covenant
And in doing so abandoned the covenants beliefs
terse lava
@humble yachtkeepers of one freedom?
humble yacht
Banished are a remnant of the covenant
Sure, Sesa’s faction could also be considered a splinter group
terse lava
Yep
humble yacht
How did the shard of Alpha Halo maintain an atmosphere?
terse lava
Well all halos have the weather controls in the edge right? Likely some survived
versed helm
So what did the Forerunners use the ThanoLekgolo for?
humble yacht
I thought it was supposed to be an anti-flood measure
versed helm
True,but they never went into detail on that
humble yacht
Probably because it was a failed experiment
versed helm
Also,why would the Forerunners bury the Lekgolo under the surface of I04 anyways?
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
obsidian thistle
1000 plans tried and failed
undone plume
wah
humble yacht
Maybe once the worms form a colony unit like a hunter, they don’t eat stuff like that anymore
obsidian thistle
Well some Lekgolo Gestalts dont eat Forerunner "metal".
You can see that here
So its likely the Mgalekgolo dont eat that metal. :)
hasty locust
Interesting
obsidian thistle
;)
copper wigeon
It could be that they were housed in a facility in alpha halo for further experimentation in the future, but due to the destruction of the ring they escaped containment.
fair hazel
I don’t think the life workers would approve of thanolekgolo genocide
hasty locust
Thanolekgolo is fun to say
humble yacht
the hunter worms that attacked Locke and his team in Halo Nightfall
hasty locust
Wrong, it’s actually thano’s secret army of hunters
terse lava
I wonder if anything really changed for the lekgolo homeworld once they entered the covensnt5
astral dust
Do Sangheili need oxygen?
gilded mason
Yes.
hasty locust
^
versed helm
i dont think any living being in Halo doesnt need oxygen
versed helm
no, but atleast it tried
now with the whole ancient era stuff i cant really see it... or some of the H4/5 elements
gilded mason
Methane is air.
hasty locust
Yeah
feral perch
"Yeet."
versed helm
“Alright. The Great Journey, ends here.”
hasty locust
“Oof”
astral dust
“I need a weapon”
feral perch
That's cringey though.
hasty locust
The games had better lines
feral perch
And frankly, I'm not convinced that Fred would have known about the Covenant's belief in the Great Journey at that point.
versed helm
Nah it’s actually really cool in a cheesy way. Especially with that shot of Fred holding two combat knives.
hasty locust
“What are you doing?!?”
“Finishing this fight”
versed helm
"sir, finishing this fight"
hasty locust
“Send me out.... with a bang”
versed helm
Also I’m pretty sure by the Package Blue Team has been fighting the Covenant for a while.
the package armor was pretty cool
feral perch
Fighting them for a while, yeah. Understanding their beliefs? Not necessarily.
hasty locust
What even was the package?
feral perch
Halsey.
versed helm
i like that the Infinite Mark VI took inspiration from it
The Package’s armor design is how I hope Halo Infinite’s armor turns out.
feral perch
I don't tbh.
hasty locust
Jcrrz, other then the number there’s not much
astral dust
Mark V or riot.
hasty locust
It’s pretty much just H3 or h2 on steroids
feral perch
I don't like The Package/FuD Mark IV. It's not very pretty.
clever fable
bit blocky tbh
versed helm
the shoulder pads spy...
𝒯𝐻𝐸 𝒮𝐻𝒪𝒰𝐿𝒟𝐸𝑅 𝒫𝒜𝒟𝒮 𝒮𝒫𝒴!!!!!
It’s bulky in a very utilitarian way. Spartans actually look like the walking tanks they’re supposed to be.
hasty locust
Hw and the FoR reissue got MK IV better
feral perch
YES
hasty locust
Lemme check the “shoulder pads”
feral perch
That is the single greatest depiction of Mjolnir ever, in my humble opinion.
astral dust
What’s John’s Halo 4 Armor?
versed helm
ill send you an image link if you desire 😏
clever fable
They're supposed to be tanks, but they also aren't supposed to be constantly making the sounds of tanks either. Something I didn't appreciate in 4/5's sound design.
feral perch
Mark VI @astral dust
astral dust
I like it
versed helm
Spartans are like, agile tanks.
clever fable
Agile tanks that don't announce their presence constantly unless they need to.
versed helm
I think Halo Legends got the art design spot on though.
astral dust
What was the armor from Halo Wars 1 and 2?
versed helm
The HRUNTING suit is how I always wanted the Mantis to look.
hasty locust
I didn’t like the baby sitter
versed helm
i thought it was gucci
clever fable
so get a new one
feral perch
how come?
hasty locust
Those ODSTs were goons
versed helm
I think The Package and Odd One Out are my favourites.
hasty locust
I dislike the anime genre as a whole so legends was never my cup of tea
feral perch
They seemed like typical ODSTs to me.
clever fable
Yeah, Halo/Anime is a bit of a weird combo imo
astral dust
The duel was neat
versed helm
I think it was due to a collab with Warner Brothers.
WB always gets anime studios to make shorts of their properties.
Like the Animatrix and Batman Ninja.
hasty locust
WB has done some awesome non anime animations though like Batman the animated series
And literally every good DC movie out there is a WB animation
versed helm
To be honest I wouldn’t mind a Halo series done by a Western animation studio.
Probably not with the current art style of a lot of Western cartoons though.
hasty locust
^
hasty locust
Ok that’s an exception except areas looked like a goof
hasty locust
Shush, your missing thE point XD
feral perch
Or the original Superman movie.
hasty locust
Like western cartoons nowadays are steaming garbage though
versed helm
I’m pretty sure Microsoft or 343 and WB have always had a good relationship so I think it could be on CN lol
clever fable
I don't like my garbage steamed
hasty locust
Like GI Joe and transformers actually looked like there was effort put into them
versed helm
I think a lot of Western animation studios just got lazy.
hasty locust
Yes
On so many levels
It got easier to animate using computers yet our animation got worse
It’s cause they realised kids don’t care as long as their are fart jokes so they can just churn out episodes every single day and make a killing
versed helm
Personally I really miss the early 2000s when studios were trying to imitate the style of anime in a good way lol
Shows like Teen Titans
hasty locust
Yeah
astral dust
How did the Didact stay alive for so long, I know Forerunners live a very long time but did he go to sleep in the orb or something?
versed helm
Vitamin gummies Leon.
hasty locust
Lol
astral dust
Ahh, I see
terse lava
Yep, although forerunners likely could live as long as they wanted
obsidian thistle
Who wants brand new fish lore. :D Aka lore and cool stuff I noted.
obsidian thistle
Yes "fish" as in the thing that swims in a tank or body of water
hasty locust
Alrighty
obsidian thistle
Seen during the underwater segments of Halo 2. They have beaks which is rather unsettling to look at.
hasty locust
Probably good at munching hostile fish
Or lunch
What about the koi in halo: reach?
obsidian thistle
Well I can discuss Koi of another nature ;)
hasty locust
Aka DMR target practice hehehehe
obsidian thistle
The OG Halo 2 High Charity fish.
hasty locust
Continue with the fish lore pls
obsidian thistle
Shame Halo 2A retconned them. (My final fish lore for now)
hasty locust
Like as in they would eat smaller fish not the sci fi character
I think the OG high charity fish would eat that guy for lunch
humble yacht
OG high charity fish looks less alien and more mutated in a radioactive bog
obsidian thistle
Deffo prettier
hasty locust
So there are only three fish we know of in halo
There’s a lot more birds at least
Like three different quad wings
What about the tempest fish?
quiet umbra
question
if the UNSC's plan to end the war was to locate high charity, capture a prophet, and bargain his life for a ceasefire
why did Master Chief kill Regret without a second thought
gilded mason
Because Miranda gave the Okay
humble yacht
Because he wasn’t in a position to capture him
He had no exfil, and covenant reinforcements were inbound
gilded mason
and it did indirectly save humanity anyway via the Covenant civil war
That was already gonna happen
hasty locust
I didn’t think they were still trying to fulfil red flag after the cluster fudge that was reach
quiet umbra
You think it was inevitable even without a prophet's assassination?
humble yacht
Yes
gilded mason
Truth had been planning it for years, so...
humble yacht
Truth didn’t order the elites to be killed because of regret dying
versed helm
How come Arbiter never got infected when exposed to the flood. Like doesn't that stuff also infect from stuff in the air
hasty locust
Reasons
quiet umbra
energy sheild
humble yacht
Probably just an oversight of game presentation
quiet umbra
?)
gilded mason
Either he canonically never got his shields broken when near spores, or the Gravemind didn't want to infect him.
quiet umbra
I was always under the impression that energy sheilds burn away flood spores
humble yacht
I don’t think energy shields function as an air filter
quiet umbra
the gravemind can absolutely choose to spare people, as it had in the past
so it voluntarily sparing the arbiter makes sense
gilded mason
Spores aren't gasses, so I assume things work differently
hasty locust
Especially oldy moldy ones like the arbiter’s
humble yacht
That’s unlikely
versed helm
Yeah I think energy shields wouldn't recharge if it could filter out spores and stuff
quiet umbra
When a single infection form attacks you the sheild burns it to death
it takes several to break the sheild
humble yacht
Yeah but an infection form is gigantic compared to a spore
gilded mason
Has it said that spores would be able to get through shields?
humble yacht
It hasn’t been explicitly stated one way or the other
But I personally don’t think spores would trigger shields
gilded mason
Shields are always active, though
quiet umbra
doesn't really matter considering the gravemind could've easily spared arbiter given the advantage to keeping him alive
humble yacht
Why spare just him tho
quiet umbra
Gravemind canonically would spare forerunners to give the false impression that an immunity or cure existed
humble yacht
No it spared selective humans
quiet umbra
the Forerunners wasted countless resources researching a nonexistant cure
humble yacht
And yes that was a ploy to trick the forerunners
But there was no strategic advantage to sparing Thel
Not until the Index was in Truth’s hands
quiet umbra
well he stopped the halo ring from firing
humble yacht
Yes but only after truth got the index
quiet umbra
Truth got it from Tartarus tho
humble yacht
All that time Thel fought through the quarantine zone, the index was still safe