#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 290

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:26 AM

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....broken circle?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Even if the information about humanity and the insurrection has now been retconned

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Cough cough

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Sorry, the best guide to understanding the Covenant's interactions with humanity.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Better

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:26 AM

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As well as the Hierarchs.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Come to think.of it

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It's been, what 14 years since ghosts of onyx

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And yet we still dont know the "proper counter response" for a reclaimer

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Lmao

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:27 AM

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"me reclaimer"

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Or most importantly

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The writ of union in its entirety

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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🆗

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Hm?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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🇾 🇪 🇸

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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That's a tad annoying

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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The writ of union in its entirety
Ah yes, that would be very nice to know

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Crocodile bois do the fight

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🇾 🇪 🇸 it can be annoying

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Scrotum-ear bois do the think

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:29 AM

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OH

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I got it

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For limited edition for infinite

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A PHYSCIAL COPY OF THE WRIT

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😀

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:30 AM

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How about like

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||indeed||

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A new encyclopedia

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Slash visual guide

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Who can say no to your bright and cheery smile?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:30 AM

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That just... answers all the questions we ask

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Like

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:30 AM

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That would also be heavenly

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:30 AM

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You know they would just rip off halopedia again right?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:30 AM

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I doubt it

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:30 AM

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lol

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:30 AM

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I think the lore bois at 343 are a little ashamed of that whole shenanigan

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Though Halopedia is way better to copy off these days

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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😋

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Wait what

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As far as we know

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Someone say Atriox?

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No.. ok

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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I must learn of these shenanigans

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Heard “A”

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Oh just that

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When they put together the big Halo Encyclopedia

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They leaned on Halopedia heavily as a source

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Is that the combined website being made?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Halo Mythos or the original one?

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Instead of really resorting to their internal sources

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The OG one

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Really? The DK one??

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The one with Chief on the front holding an SRS99

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Yeah

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The one you could effectively club a man to death with

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The one with all the stretched, low-res images

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The one which says your average MAC projectile travels at 40% of light speed

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Among other delights

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:33 AM

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You gotta look back to your origins to appreciate how far you've come, y'know?

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From the Halo Encyclopedia to Warfleet. What a journey.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:33 AM

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The one with chief in the final cutscene from Halo 3?

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As Front cover

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If Warfleet is the sign of the amount of care and attention that might go into a future visual dictionary type thing

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Then uh

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We in good hands bois

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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🤞

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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@versed helm No, that's the Essential Visual Guide

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Which by all accounts

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Is quite good

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Yeah, I used to love pouring over that thing.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Despite a few errors and no dedicated page about marines and troopers grumble grumble

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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The Spartan Field Manual is kind of an encyclopedia

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sort of

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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It's an encyclopedia lite

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Ah ok I thought that was the one you were talking about, I was confused with the whole "low res" images since I remembered it being really good.

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With a few very useful clarifications

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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With a really weird weapon rating system

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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And a LOT of info about SIVs

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And yeah that

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But it was obviously also meant for kids

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Which may be a bad sign

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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lol

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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That is, if you like Halo grim and gross and intense like me

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Also arent most of the marines in reach troopers or am I horribly mistaken?

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My perspective was shaped by reading The Flood before any other Halo book

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It really reshaped how I looked at CE

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And characterized Halo as like

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Mega intense

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Also arent most of the marines in reach troopers or am I horribly mistaken?```
Most military on Reach are army troops

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Yisss

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I guess that explains their appearance

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There's a few marines tho

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Some help Jorge secure the slipspace drive to the pelican in Long Night

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There's a few in the final level

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They're the ones who set up the onager to cover the Autumn

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you can tell them apart by their sealed helmets

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Maybe we will be lucky and they make a covenant field manual

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Also

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In New Alexandria

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You get the objective to save some dudes on a rooftop

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 AM

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I'm torn on that. Halo 5 wasn't less violent than previous games, but having three T-rated games release consecutively in the series (Spartan Strike, Halo 5: Guardians, Halo Wars 2) does set a trend. Is that bad? Well, I don't want to hear squeekers on the mic, but I don't want a Halo that's remotely similar to Gears of War, either, for example.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 AM

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And the objective says that they're marines

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And by the way Jcrrz

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Yeah but I want to see the enemies bleed

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The BDU UNSC soldiers wear isn't 100% indicative of what branch they are

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As you can see in CEA, with marines wearing what many people call the army BDU.

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And in postwar

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Halo 5 has blood.

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I made a video proving that.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Yeah, it does have blood.

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For me it's less about blood, and more about adult themes.

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Never said it didnt

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Though i mean

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:39 AM

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In fact, Halo 5 is the only game to have blood squirts when you assassinate Grunts with a knife.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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I wouldn't complain if there was to be like

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More CE-esque levels of blood painting the walls

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But it's not a biggie, really

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That was always fun to mess around with

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Sure, everybody who's played CE has made corpses bleed until the framerate got down to like 15 fps

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:41 AM

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The biggie for me is the notion that Halo will become a franchise that can't handle anything related to horror, sexuality or pertinent messages.

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Which are all big parts of a grounded depiction of futuristic humanity

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And which Halo has addressed before and done so subtly and enjoyably.

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:42 AM

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The Flood are less physically horrifying (H2A Gravemind notwithstanding) and more philosophically horrifying, I think.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:42 AM

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To put it more clearly, I don't want it to be sanitary.

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:42 AM

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You think Infinite will follow up after HW2? Or no

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:43 AM

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War is dirty, y'know?

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People are dirty.

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I liked the gritty asthetic from reach

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It was pretty cool

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:43 AM

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^ he gets it

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:43 AM

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^^ they get it

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:44 AM

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I don't particularly want an extended discussion, or any at all, on sexuality in a war game, especially because of the controversy it can create.

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For novels, that's another thing.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:44 AM

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I didn't mean like, discussions about gender politics.

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No one wants another BF5 "uneducated" controversy

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Oh, what did you mean?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:45 AM

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I just mean I don't want it to shy away from humanity where appropriate.

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It can be a very subtle distinction.

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:46 AM

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So like Johnson's comments?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Right.

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:46 AM

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He knows what the ladies like.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:46 AM

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👁️ 👄 👁️

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Creepy

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:46 AM

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very

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:47 AM

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^^they get it

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:47 AM

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That's the type of race I except on a 1950s horror movie

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:47 AM

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I think that there's an immediate tonal benefit that comes from, even if you don't delve into that side of humanity, leaving it open and having it be a part of the world.

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Sanitized media often gives you the impression that it's a world of automatons and not people.

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Oh sure. Just don't let it become a CW program heheh

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Fair enough.

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Its like we say here on Reach. Moa milk is to high taxed

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:48 AM

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There is not enough Guta milk tbh

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:48 AM

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they don't say anything on Reach

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:48 AM

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True too

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How dare you

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:48 AM

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they're hiding in a cave

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Jorge fake

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Ha

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Well remember

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They say more then those on harvest

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Poor harvest whales

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Burn

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Yes

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Intoxicated too

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:49 AM

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No spoils me gold deblooms

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Have not spoiled anything

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Oh, are we discussing matters of adult?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Adult themes really

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Yeah. Do Spartans have to do their taxes?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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The subtleties of universe building.

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Or does someone do it for them?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Doubt they get taxed

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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I think they're probably exempt.

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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I don’t think they have taxes, yeah

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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I mean

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Lucky buggers

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Maybe the SIVs?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:51 AM

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...maybe?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:51 AM

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There'd be military things to handle that tho

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But the SIIs and SIIIs aren't like

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People who even technically exist

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I don't think

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:51 AM

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That perquisite definitely justifies the program then menke

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:51 AM

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"sorry chief we're taxing you 1000$ a month for armor maintanence"

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Heh

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Yeah. They’re like, the bare minimum of existing in terms of actual military stuff

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Become a child soldier and never have to worry about your finances? oh yeah

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:52 AM

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I assume, however, that should any of them depart service on honourable grounds

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They'd be compensated

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 4:52 AM

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They’re paid

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We know that

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Come.to think of it, wonder how bad covenant taxes are

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Chief deserves a solar system

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:52 AM

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He just deserves his childhood love

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:52 AM

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She dead tho

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Thay one marine girl

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What?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Ye

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It was aluded

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 AM

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I doubt they’d understand the concept of finances though.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 AM

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She was. Never confirmed dead

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 AM

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She died

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It was implied, but true

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Her canonicity of where she’s featured is debatable.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 AM

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🤨

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Think im slowly becoming a Jiralhanae fan.

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 AM

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I think the story is canon over the games

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Hey

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 AM

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But I can see both camps

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 AM

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I don't mind the brutes

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In the cases where they're not 1000% evil they're cool bois

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They're our closest genetic neighbours in the Covenant

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Like big boy Atry

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Eh, even atriox went down the brute parh

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Path

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Good boy Decimus

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Wait no

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Not Decimus

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The other one

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Pavium

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Pavium

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 4:54 AM

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haha ninja'd

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Voridus is like

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Was pavium the bald one or the one with a mohawk?

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Brute Anakin

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:54 AM

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“Dont go inside”... unleashes someting

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Like big boy Atry
He's a chump

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Pavium is like

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:55 AM

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All brutes are chumps

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Brute Obi-Wan

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Sangheili just made they got side-hoed

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Pavium is the not-idiot of the brothers, right?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Well remember, the covenant lasted how long under the sangheili? And how long under brutes?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:55 AM

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I think he was the wise one

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The one who looked like a reach brute

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Hairless

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Chemo brute

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Yea pavium had some sense

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Yet still let his brother near high charity

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:57 AM

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If Voridus lives past that DLC, I'd be shocked.

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Atriox best anti-hero game has had in a while

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:57 AM

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He is certainly no anti-hero

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Well then my friend you must be reading wrong

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:57 AM

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More like an Anti-Villain

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:58 AM

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^

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Am I? He went from a nice guy to being just as bad as those he claimed to hate

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:58 AM

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I mean he told UNSC to leave and no one would get hurt

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And they stayed

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Look at the difference between him in the comics compared to the games

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He also killed civvies for fun

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Atriox has done absolutely disgusting things, Kastor

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:58 AM

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He is a vile thing

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:59 AM

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enough out of you oyster

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Height lier

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:59 AM

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But he did them with good intentions towards his boys

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Atriox has done nothing good

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Like Arby hasn’t done bad things. Or you know the Sangheili

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:00 AM

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But he has for his own boys

feral perch Jan 20, 2020, 5:00 AM

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hey remember that scene where he inspires Brutes to crush Elites' windpipes?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:00 AM

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And they do it in an awesome way

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:00 AM

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At least when Thel wants to do something different from the Covenant, he actually does

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Shouldve let him off the leash prior. No rebellion wouldve happened

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Indeed, Thel saw the wrongs and tried to atone

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Atriox? "Those who follow me will do so out of free will and fight for themselves" Proceeds to kidnap grunts, and treatb his troops as fodder

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:01 AM

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And Atriox saw what the Covenant did and thought, "While I hate that it happened to me, I am perfectly with it happening to everyone under my command."

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Wait wait wait wait......

Arby hasn’t don’t bad things?

Wut?

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:02 AM

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You sure you guys arent the same account

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:02 AM

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@stoic hamletno one claimed that

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:02 AM

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He did when he was supreme Commander...

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Two Sangheili representatives

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...

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Little Sangheilish

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Against the UNSC ofcourse.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Sangheilish? That's a new one

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Calm down AdoD2

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Got em

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Yueah yeur

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:03 AM

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I am calm though

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Name one.

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You cant

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Name what

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Moa milk too high taxed

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:04 AM

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||he is messing around ado dont grind your gears over it||

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Anyway, this all started cause i said i like Atriox. 😂

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Then the energy swords came

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:04 AM

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@versed helmi am not even irritated, just puzzled

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:04 AM

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That was the day the fire nation attacked

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Wasnt trying to be rude if thats the way it came out btw.

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Ya called him an anti-hero. A tiny bit of a misnomer for Atriox, so I felt it had to be corrected. 😋

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:06 AM

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No. A misnomer is that Sangheili can protect a prophet

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:06 AM

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... from Chief

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Not an easy proposition

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Stopping a protagonist

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Correction

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From plot armor

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:06 AM

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And apparently Truth prevented reinforcements from saving him.

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Sounds like Sangheili News Network

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SNN

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:07 AM

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I wonder how the Hesduros Sangheili would look like with tails

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Sangheili in general

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But with tails

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:08 AM

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....they would look like sangheil with tails

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:08 AM

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wow

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Im so amazed

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Im honestly shocked

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:09 AM

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😋

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:09 AM

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😏

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Honestly though likely fan art out there with it

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Probably

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Their tails would probably be incredibly fat on H4 and 5 to match the whole bulky look of Sangheili in those games

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Why are we talking about tails, i'm scared.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:12 AM

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No clue

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Not the weirdest thing ive seen/talked about

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Toche

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:12 AM

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This is true

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toche

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i think you meant Touche

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Its late

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I gave up on editing

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:14 AM

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lol

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Phones are terrib at autox corectikx.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Exhibit A

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Irestmycase

unique rune Jan 20, 2020, 5:31 AM

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~~Tosche Station?~~

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Ugh

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:55 AM

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So is Halo Infinite gonna be about Chief goes after Atriox. End of H5G Cortana finds a halo ring, end of HW2 is pretty explanatory.

true shadow Jan 20, 2020, 5:56 AM

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We literally have no idea

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All we know is that chief is on zeta halo

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:57 AM

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I dont think we even have it confirmed.its zeta

true shadow Jan 20, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I think everyone’s sorta just unanimously agreed that’s it’s zeta without confirmation

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Pretty much

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But dont forget Once upon a time, we thought the ark portal was the ark itaelf

true shadow Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 AM

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I guess it being set on zeta would explain a potential return of the flood

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 AM

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They wont have the flood return yet

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Outside of gametype anyways

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Who is Zeta?

true shadow Jan 20, 2020, 6:00 AM

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I will admit that if the flood returns their impact needs to be massive

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Zeta halo

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Installation 07

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Ahh

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Well the timeless one said the flood would return when humanity was ripe and arrogant again

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Implied in force

true shadow Jan 20, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Perhaps

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Is there a place to read Halo comics?

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Like an archive

true shadow Jan 20, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Would humanity being divided and on the run be considered ripe for the flood though?

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May be easier pickings

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I’m not sure about arrogant though

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Maybe, but I don’t know

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Ripe as in like ancient humanity

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Powerful, ready for the final test

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@astral dustdont think so, you'd just have to buy them

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:34 AM

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What are some good Covenant Comics?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Last voyage of the infinite succor

topaz iron Jan 20, 2020, 6:38 AM

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That’s in the halo graphic novel correct?

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Ye

topaz iron Jan 20, 2020, 6:43 AM

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I used to have that but I have no idea where it is, I might have to rebuy it

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Have my copy nearby

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:45 AM

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How many superintendents did Earth have?

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Was it 6?

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Or is there more than that?

unique hornet Jan 20, 2020, 7:15 AM

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finished off my tabletop RPG ODST game session 1 earlier today

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that was nuts

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Thanks to @terse lava and a few others for helping me brainstorm, it paid off really well

unique rune Jan 20, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Earth had at least six Superintendent AI.

Whether or not there were any more than that is unknown.

unique hornet Jan 20, 2020, 7:21 AM

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The short version: players are veteran ODSTs. After being brought aboard the Pillar of Autumn and getting a false start on RED FLAG, they are rerouted to Reach as it is being assaulted by a gigantic covenant fleet. Once the Autumn makes its way past the orbital engagement, the squad is brought to the surface and directed by ONI to make their way to a far-away outpost to complete a demolition job before the Covenant get their hands on any of the R&D or tech stored there (as part of Operation: WHITE GLOVE).

Upon arriving, they find three squads of Covenant forces—two Skirmisher squads and one Brute squad. They dispatched them fairly easily, just going through some ammo and clearing out the facility, but during the breaching action to enter the main base, they were surprised by a few forces hiding inside the facility that wounded one trooper and nearly impaled the squad's medic with a hit strong enough to launch the poor sod a couple dozen feet backwards. Once dispatched, the squad took a moment to patch their wounded and found a number of local military and civilians that had holed themselves up in the facility's storage bay. They made sure to get them evac'd on a Pelican that was left at this facility while setting up a load of demolition charges—then the second wave arrived, one standard squad (2 elite minors, 3 jackals, 6 grunts) at each of the two entrances to this massive base. The machine gunner and sniper attempted to hold the east entrance while the medic and commander held the southwest and the demolitionist finished arming the charges. In a very close finale, the squad escaped, several wounded but none killed (barely—the gunner almost got grabbed and stabbed by some elites but the sniper managed to get into position to take both of them out before continuing the retreat), blowing the base to high heaven.

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Cool map at the end of the game, with 140 meter head shot for scale: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289607572724645898/668713846210428948/Endgame_Map.PNG
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/667930150549192739/668602122056630301/unknown.png

true shadow Jan 20, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Too long didn’t read

unique hornet Jan 20, 2020, 7:22 AM

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k

true shadow Jan 20, 2020, 7:23 AM

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But I wish you luck with it

merry knoll Jan 20, 2020, 8:36 AM

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That was pretty fun to read

jolly furnace Jan 20, 2020, 10:56 AM

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@astral dust there u go

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https://readcomiconline.to/Search/Comic

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Just search Halo

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 12:25 PM

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Glad to have helped

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Are the any good resources on the human politics and society of the Halo Universe? I know it sounds boring, but it would be interesting to know how the human race was able to unify under a singular government while still preserving different cultures, languages, etc. How are the colonies paid for and why do some colonies seem to house a majority of a certain ethnic background (i.e. Harmony being home to Slavic-like individuals like Jun and Kat, or the Hungarian ODST battalion from the live action commercial)? I know the UEG has a democratically elected president, but how on Earth do they fairly represent 20+billion voters spread through the milky way? I know these are a lot of questions, just wondering if someone has answered them all already somewhere lol

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 2:31 PM

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I'd say a good first stop for you would be looking into the Insurrection, because the UNSC hasn't done all that great of a job at representing everyone in the galaxy

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Good point, but wouldn't there have to be some sort of semi-decent system going, at least at first, in order for humans to leave Earth and start colonizing planets to begin with?

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Are you looking for specifically earth politics? Who controls what? That kinda thing? @spring spindle

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 2:35 PM

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them UEG boys

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Dont forger the grid, tracks civvies like 1984

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Yeah kind of. Mostly just trying to figure out if a Halo-like universe (minus the aliens obv) could ever be possible, or if it's just pure sci-fi

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 2:36 PM

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That’s a post war thing though @terse lava

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Quite certain it was not🤨

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 2:36 PM

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It’s literally not possible to use colony to colony pre or during the war.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Like it was first mentioned I think in ilovebees

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Halo had more "real" elements in the past, before H4 and H5 came around i guess.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Oh I was talking only of earth

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Maybe on one colony but idk if it could really be used in the sense of say.....someone coming from New Haven to Mars.

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Oh, fair.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Yea

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:12 PM

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@spring spindle there is a possibility of a Halo-like universe IRL (obviously w/out aliens [Maybe??? thinkingchief ]), after all it is 500 years in the future

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All material used for the Spartans pre-Covenant war do exist IRL

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id love to live in a city like new mombasa

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:13 PM

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I’d prefer New Alexandria

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:13 PM

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I believe there is a place called Mombasa in Africa

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But I did find a city called Voi

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Where the Ark portal was found

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:13 PM

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New Mombasa is based off of the real world city of Mombasa

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Yes Mombasa is a place in Africa, ofc it’s not a Megacity

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Not yet

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oh yuh, but im talking about the Halo futuristic version

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id love to live in a city like that

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:15 PM

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With corrupt cops like Kinsler?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:15 PM

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oh yes id totally want that

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i wouldnt want to live in non corrupt version at all

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Theres even a Tsavo place

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theres even a natural reserve with zebras

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pretty cool

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:17 PM

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That's because they based the locations on Earth on real places, Pilot

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Yeah Tsavo East National Park

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I c

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Mombasa is also real, on the south border of Kenya too

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I wonder why Mombasa is called NEW Mombasa

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Probably the interplanetary wars/insurrectionist wars

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because its a new version of the old city of mombasa CSGOMister

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Which must've been rebuilt after the innie wars

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more than likely after the global warming

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Probably

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Well, there's a part of New Mombasa called Old Mombasa. That's likely the original city and New Mombasa sprung up around it. Similar to what happened to Phoenix, Arizona, since New Phoenix exists in Halo

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:21 PM

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^

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:21 PM

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^^ Seems about right

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I was actually in the middle of typing something like that up

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:22 PM

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but i would LOVE to live in that city

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;-;

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idk no why but i love New Mombasa

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I heard Kenya is a nice place to live

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:22 PM

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In Halo’s universe, most definitely. Not at this time though

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:22 PM

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ofcourse.

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Definitely

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wasnt new mombasa being rebuilt or something?

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with a statue of the chief

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Well it was blown away by Regrets ship slipspacing in the city

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then it was glassed

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And it's most probable that they built a statue as he did save the city's life from glassing

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It didn't get glassed, not yet

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They were about to

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Then the ship slipspaced to Delta Halo

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Which did basically destroy the city

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But it wasn't just a pile of ruine

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ruins*

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:25 PM

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They weren’t planning on glassing it. Regret was establishing a beachhead, but that backfired so he fled

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:25 PM

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ive read somewhere that pelican you come across at the end of tsavo highway is actually used for the statue of chief

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i dont remember where though

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I see...

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:26 PM

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As for Truth, he was planning to glass it. Which inevitably did happen

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He glassed the city to get access to the portal

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:26 PM

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When? Do you mean Delta

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and the city got glassed... twice

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Oh yeah

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:26 PM

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No, NM

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

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By Rtas also after the outbreak

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first by truth then by Rtas

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I dont remember Truth glassing NM, was it H2 or 3?

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

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It wasn’t Truth himself, it was the Brute ships he sent to Earth

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

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H3 when he was searching for the Ark portal

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and true, but he did carry out the orders

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Has Reach been colonized by the events of Infinite?

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I wonder if they'd started colonizing yet

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:29 PM

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ODST also showed the beginning of the glassing of New Mombasa

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Reach has likely not been recolonised as of the events of Infinite

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Yeah. On the Coastal Highway mission

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Oh yeah when the space elevator fell, right? Or later

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later

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Near the end of the game, Pilot

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Space elevator fell during Dutch's level, which is early on in the game

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Ok

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:30 PM

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That was due to the slipspace rupture. The support rings were weakened

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:31 PM

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From the assault

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:31 PM

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No, the slipspace rupture, created from Regret’s ship fleeing

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:31 PM

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So the ship jumping to Delta weakened the support rings, causing it to collapse

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Yeah

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Aye, the glassing occurred the day after the elevator fell

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Due to the slipspace jump being initiated in-atmosphere, the effects are greatly felt, whereas if it’s done out of atmosphere, it’s essentially void due it being done in the vacuum of space

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:35 PM

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If the UNSC had captured multiple Covy ships already, why hadn't they made glassing technology yet? Then they could glass Covy stations or resources instead of just throwing their soldiers down and hoping they could win

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Reverse engineering is a long process and if I recall, they had allot of bad luck when trying to capture Covie ships

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:36 PM

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I see..

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they did have a hybrid ship though

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if that counts...

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:36 PM

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As for your question about Reach re-colonisation earlier. There was a pioneer group that arrived there in 2553, for S&R and prep for terraforming it. In 2589 Reach was turned to a habitable state with the glassing effects mitigated and by 2610, two cities had been rebuilt. Hope that clears that question up that was asked earlier that wasn’t fully answered.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Thanks

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:37 PM

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You mean the one from First Strike, Jcrrz? Because the Covie half of that was destroyed at the end of that novel

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:38 PM

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It was propelled into the Unyielding Hierophant

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:38 PM

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havent read it all the way so no surprise ive missed that bit

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but they had it

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for a little bit

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:39 PM

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They had it temporarily. Not enough time to study it and reverse engineer it’s technology

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:39 PM

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pretty much

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Then they propelled it into the Unyielding Hierophant destroying the station with all its ships leaving just the UNSC Gettysburg, again

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:40 PM

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At least they saved the Engineers that were on the Covie part of the ship

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:41 PM

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wasnt that frigate being dismantled in the mission pillar of autumn in reach the UNSC Commonwealth?

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 3:43 PM

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No

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Actually

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Well it wasn’t a frigate

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At least I don’t think it was.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 3:45 PM

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiI-OrbwpLnAhVRWq0KHRzHD9cQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhalo.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FUNSC_Commonwealth&psig=AOvVaw0kbNDAdK66zVLof74ZLCLU&ust=1579621468060300

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pretty sure it is

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwixkpXswpLnAhUCbq0KHYUoAhMQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhalo.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FBoneyard&psig=AOvVaw0kbNDAdK66zVLof74ZLCLU&ust=1579621468060300

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that one has a better angle of the frigate

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it is indeed a frigate

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Fandom? 🤢

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Worst links ever postums

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:48 PM

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^ Too right

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:49 PM

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On Halopedia, it's listed as a Paris-class frigate https://www.halopedia.org/UNSC_Commonwealth

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Good link 👌

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:50 PM

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I provide on the best links and references to games (Especially if they involve nanomachines)

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Don’t get cocky kid

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Movie reference?

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Of course

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Don't worry, I won't

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Were it so easy

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:05 PM

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it was supposed to be an image link but ok

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anyways were genets used in new alexandria?

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Genets?

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You mean the cars seen in ODST?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:18 PM

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the cars seen in ODST

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yes

carmine sleet Jan 20, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Well, we don't go anywhere where there would be cars in Reach so it's possible people owned and used them

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:29 PM

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it makes sense for them to be used in earth since they dont pollude the environment (from what i know but just like everything i say i may be mistaken), i could still see them being used in reach though.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 PM

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"2531, still no flying cars"- halo war marine.

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Why have flying cars though? Kinda pointless imo

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 PM

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agreed

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 PM

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i'm more surprised that self-driving cars don't seem to be as prevalent, especially with how widespread AI use is in pre-covenant humanity

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Probably expensive to maintain as well

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 PM

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they are athing

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roadware allows your car to drive itself

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all genets have it i think

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 PM

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they exist, but they don't seem to be used any differently than current cars

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 PM

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wdym

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 PM

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i read somewhere that self-driving cars could potentially drive at hundreds of miles per hour in very tightly packed traffic due to the fact that a computer can regulate speed and distance with much more precise and quick adjustments than a human ever could

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but in odst, for example, cars and roads seem to look just like they do now, only more "futuristic" looking

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i mean it doesn't seem like new mombasa cars at least behaved in a way that was much different that cars do today

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:39 PM

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most drivers probably prefered to drive their car themselves idk

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or maybe it wasnt thought through

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:41 PM

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yeah a lot of the stuff in the halo universe doesn't really make sense lol. why is the gunner in the warthog fully exposed to fire from all sides, when even today we have humvees with remote-controlled turrets that keep the gunner relatively safe inside the vehicle?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:41 PM

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same could be said about the H3-5 scorpion

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with the gunner being exposed

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:42 PM

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why did it take 500+ years to develop caseless ammunition? why is humanity using the same rifle calibers in 2552 as they were in 2002 lol

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i love halo but man i wish bungie had cared a little bit more when they were developing its universe lol

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Halo is science fiction after all

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not like space wizards

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but more of a space trek scifi

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Was scifi

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 4:46 PM

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still sci fi

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Was thinking more the ancient era

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Modern yes

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:47 PM

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the ancient era is sci fi like space wizards

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the modern era is sci fi like space trek

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Fun question

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What was your 1st reaction to fighting the flood

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 4:47 PM

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"that's alot of popcorn"

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 4:47 PM

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They came from...... BEHIND

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:48 PM

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when i fought combat forms and started to get swarmed i didnt know what to do

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it was pretty cool

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Felt fear on watching the video, then once they just started Popping harmlessly against my shield I mowed them down

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:49 PM

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the combat forms though

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Then the combat forms came in

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 PM

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my reaction exactly

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 PM

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i honestly had no idea what they even were until after I beat the game and wiki'd the plot lol. but i was a lot younger when i first played CE

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 PM

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the most "fear" i felt was looking in the side rooms before actually encountering flood, and seeing those side rooms filled with blood-splattered walls and corpses. And I'm like "what did that?"

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Looking back I find it funny that over originally I thought that we would be facing evil Spartans that would change in people into more of them

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:51 PM

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i mean realistically the spartans are pretty evil. genetically engineered child-soldiers designed to crush rebellion against the UEG

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Very true chim, and the lack of sangheili. Only time in the game

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 4:51 PM

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that doesn't make them evil

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:51 PM

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true, but i guarantee if you brought up that idea to people nowadays, you'd have very few supporters lol other than halo fans

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:52 PM

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@spring spindle What I mean was that I thought Spartans were taking people and transforming them into more Spartans. All this was based on what the crazed marine said and me been 12 at the time

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 4:52 PM

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you don't blame the child soldiers, you blame the people who took them

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:52 PM

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True

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 PM

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right, and in the books they are conveniently shown to have consciences and thoughts of their own. but, realistically, how much would the unsc indoctrinate them and how much would they really think on their own

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 4:53 PM

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they're ability to think on their own was quite high with regards to battle situations

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they didn't really have lives outside of battle so there was no need to think about non-battle things

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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yeah, and as it is touched on in the intro to Halo 4, that would probably result in a bunch of super powered socially inept sociopaths

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 4:55 PM

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You sound exactly like major silva

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:55 PM

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i think it's just for the sake of the plot that halo's writers have always made the spartans good guys. i think if there was a real life spartan program, they would actually be terrifying lol

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yeah silva did nothing wrong lmao

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 4:55 PM

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sociopaths are characterized by a lack of empathy, but Spartans can empathize with each other

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Spartans ARE terrifying

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To the enemy

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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There is a reason they're called demons

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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spartans don't typically interact with non-military personnel

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i don't think you'll ever see Master Chief shopping at the local market

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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with one another, sure. with the civilians and other humans they're supposed to protect though? remember when jorge told that pilot to fly straight into an emp field that would probably kill every non-armored individual in the falcon lol

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Of course youd see chief at the market

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:57 PM

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He did in that a comic chim😋

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 4:57 PM

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He needs his ingredients for his TV show master chef

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 4:57 PM

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sounds fake

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Chief works as a chef in Denny's

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didnt you know?

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:58 PM

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i wish they did an episode of master chef with master chief

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:58 PM

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gordon dressed as master chief

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id pay to see that

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Fake? It was in the graphic novel

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 4:59 PM

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"open your mystery boxes. as you can see you will be cooking with 2 plasma grenades, one spent fuel rod, and a handful of 7.62 ammunition. and your time starts... NOW"

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 4:59 PM

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with guta cheese

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Also Jorge didn't tell the pilot to fly into the shield

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He just said "Priority 1; gotta know what's in there"

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the pilot was all like "let's go!!!!"

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Regret flooded him afterwards

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Okay fair. But Carter saying "Grafton is dust. Let's get the hell out of here" was a bit callous to the 100s of people who just died directly above him, don't you think?

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 5:01 PM

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no

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:01 PM

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It seems appropriate to me

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Especially considering they themselves were at risk

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Bit of an off question but wondering. How would you guys and gals introduced the long night of solace rather then it hovering above the ground

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I thought it’s intro was great

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:03 PM

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i feel like it introduced itself pretty well by destroying a frigate

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:04 PM

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id rather board the long night of solace over the corvette but other than that not really

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it had a good intro

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I’d also prefer a Spartan insertion into the ship itself and take it down. We saw Blue Team do something similar

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:04 PM

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still confused as to how it showed up on reach completely undetected tho

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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As for it’s introduction, it was great. Very clever

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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id love to see the interior of a CSO even though its probably similar to other covie ships

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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It was camouflaged, Lance

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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@humble yachtit was good, but people complained of how such a massive vessel went unnoticed

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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wasn't truth and reconciliation a cso?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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No

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Ccs

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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no

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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ah

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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CCS

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CSO are HUGE way bigger than a CCS

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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T&R was only 1km long

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CSO 27 km

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:06 PM

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what about truths ship

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the one we got cockblocked from in odst

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:06 PM

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15km

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Ih

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That was regret

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5 km

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:06 PM

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LNoS was camouflaged by the Spire I’m pretty sure. Was it not? I remember Dot saying something along those lines I believe

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:06 PM

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oof

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my b

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yeah regret

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right but it was camoflauged from its origin point all the way to the surface of reach?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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It was camouflaged yes

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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that seems unlikely

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Well the Spires were pretty big

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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if the covenant can do that, why don't they just fight all of their battles camoflauged

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Well we found out later it had forerunner tech integrated too

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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funny enough it just so happened to stumble across reach

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Honor

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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searching for maethrillian

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 5:08 PM

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There were many spires and all it took was downing one to reveal it

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Yep, sad that plot never panned out

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Keeping it cloaked was hard work

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Each Spire could be linked to something else maybe Chimera? Or they each relied on each other?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Each other seems likely

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I wouldn’t be surprised if multiple spires were necessary to keep it cloaked

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:08 PM

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okay so what brought the spires undetected then?

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did they fly across the galaxy in banshees?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Corvettes maybe

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Who says the spires themselves were undetected?

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Well we know that the Covenant had a large staging area in a secluded area

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 5:09 PM

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The covenant built them up on the planet

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:09 PM

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right but what i'm saying is the covenant would have had to first get to the planet undetected in order to set up the spires

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so if there weren't spires already there to cloak them, how did they get the spires there to start cloaking stuff?

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Well they had a jammer in place blocking UNSC electronics, this area was codenamed the “Dark Zone”

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 5:10 PM

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The covenant probably started building up the spires after the UNSC realized they were there

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:11 PM

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But wouldn't it make more sense that way the corvettes with sent down to struck construction on them

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:11 PM

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yes i get that lol but that still doesn't answer how the covenant got there undetected to start building spires in the first place

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i image the unsc had a fairly robust security net around reach

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so even a small vessel should have been detected arriving

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 5:11 PM

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They only time the covenant were undetected were before Noble team found them

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:11 PM

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especially in one of the UNSCs most important planets

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:12 PM

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a vessel large enough to carry entire army-hiding canopies should be large enough to detect as well

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 5:12 PM

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After that the covenant could be like “let’s go full ham”

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Forerunner tech helps

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Also it’s not like the spires were transported in one piece

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 5:12 PM

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I dont get how the corvette goes undetected

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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The corvettes have systems in place to keep them undetected

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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so was the CSO cloaked prior to arriving undetected or after?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Was mentioned in warfleet I believe

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Likely cloaked All the way into the system

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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But radar

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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only way it couldnt be detected really

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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And futuristic detection systems

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Forerunner Tech answer to everything

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:14 PM

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right the unsc can't be completely helpless against covenant cloaking technology. otherwise they wouldn't have stood a chance

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Like then in the FoR why wouldn’t the covenant fleet just be cloaked so the mac guns couldn’t see them

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That was humanitys only advantage

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Honor

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As a fleet master how could you claim glorious victory in combat when the enemy can't even see you

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:15 PM

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It could also be because you can’t cloak an entire fleet

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Chances are only some ships have this capability

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:15 PM

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There's a reason active camouflage was frowned on by sangheili

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Either way reach got toasted

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Yeah but how valuable is honor against some of the losses the UNSC started inflicting on the covenant towards the end of the war?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:16 PM

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but yet troops still used active cammo

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:16 PM

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You imply that those losses had any real meaning

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Thel’s actions in that fight in that Marine garrison is a prime example to Ado’s point

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Yeah but he was pretty dishonourable

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He kinda cloaked

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:17 PM

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active camo + weaponless

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if i remember

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I mean they did. Two prophets dead, forced them to reorganize their entire command structure, destroyed a halo ring which was the entire point of their religion

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Well he uncloaked, let them prepare, then recloaked

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:17 PM

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i guess that all sort of happened within a few months

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Its like running into your house while your on the toilet then letting you get your pants on then turning off the light

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:17 PM

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And yet the covenant was still winning against humanity

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:18 PM

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not very honorable from thel i wouldnt really use that example

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id use something else

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Don't forget that early in the war the covenant lost a fleet of over 200 vessels to Admiral cole

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:18 PM

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like that major tossing chief a sword

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Yeah but cole outnumbered them like 3 to 1

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Thel 'Lodamee

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:19 PM

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that was the Major?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Well there was also that other loss of 500 vessels

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Yes

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Yeah and also in FS they destroyed unyielding hierophant

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which was supposedly a huge covenant fleet

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Originally he was to be Vadamee

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Yep then the losses at reach. Covenant was huge

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Let's not forget that the war with humanity wasn't even the covenants prime concern

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:21 PM

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but you could also argue that's why the covenant was destroyed

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:21 PM

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thanks to the chief and arby

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:21 PM

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they might not have thought it was their prime concern, but that arrogance and underestimation of humanity led to their complete destruction

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also the flood showing up

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:22 PM

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No not really, it fell mainly due to someone trying to uproot its foundations and go genocide on the prime military race

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:23 PM

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and thanks to chief truth used it as an opportunity to replace the elites with brutes

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Bad move

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:23 PM

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not the main cause but a great opportunity for an excuse to replace them

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:23 PM

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yeah but what is the likelihood that one of the prophets would have been assassinated without humanity being involved?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:23 PM

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so chief did kinda cause that to happen

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:23 PM

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or at least assassinated in a way that would provide a plausible reason to remove the elites

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:24 PM

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That pretty much only happened due to regret being a fool

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And drunk on religious fevor

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:24 PM

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idk, the UNSC had been planning to kill a high prophet for a while and I feel it was only a matter of time before the succeeded

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Well once again don't forget only Truth pulled back reinforcements

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:25 PM

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because he wanted it to happen 😏

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so he could replace the hingeheads

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with an excuse

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:26 PM

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right and i'm not denying that truth was willing to allow the humans to kill regret. but i don't know if that opportunity would have arisen without humanity

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:26 PM

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indeed

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Had he not been such a tool, chief would have been captured/killef

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:26 PM

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idk chief as that whole lucky geas thing

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so maybe not

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:26 PM

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chief has luck

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he wouldnt die then and there

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Well its likely the covenant lost hierarchs in the past

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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but not to humans

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by humans

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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True

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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being protected by hingeheads

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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right. and in the past the elites weren't removed from power as a result either

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if that did happen

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Correct

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Are there any CSO’s left?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Maybe?

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No one knows

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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maybe arby has one 👀

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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so my whole argument is that i don't think it's entirely accurate to say that humanity wasn't responsible for a large part of the covenants destruction

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I miss the Long Night of Solace

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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agreed

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:29 PM

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I would still say truth over humanity

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:29 PM

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whether or not truth planned it, it was still a pretty bad plan that backfired horribly

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:29 PM

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but chief allowed truth to do it

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a human allowed that

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a human did it

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and truth used that excuse

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Had he not done his thing, the council would have elected another hierarch

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:29 PM

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but he didnt give them that chance

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Nope

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:29 PM

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@terse lava Are you a Covenant Sangheili, SOS or Banished Sangheili?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:30 PM

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imperialists are best sangheili

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fite meh

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👀

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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banished sangheili are pretty embarrassing ngl

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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I do like arby, same with the original covenant

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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banished sangheili are inferior to brutes

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Ot oh

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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no offense to any banished sangheili

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Not particularly fond of the banished though

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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I think theyre neat.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Yeah I went through my whole thing last night with them

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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they're definitely better than the storm sangheili

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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i agree their armor looks cool. but i can't imagine too many good reason why a proud race like sangheili would join the banished

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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They literally only joined out of desperation

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Needed fuel and supplies for their Carrier

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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exactly

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not a good reason lol

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:33 PM

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it happened before the great schism too

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Or they would get hammered

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By chainbreaker

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Not really

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:33 PM

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i'm sure they've had plenty of opportunities to leave since then

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:33 PM

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but y leave

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:33 PM

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You are not leaving... 🤣

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:33 PM

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idk, to not be willingly subjugated by brutes?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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subjugated is a bit of a stretch

boreal bane Jan 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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@spring spindle Let's keep it clean please

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Curious

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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i get the banished were more of a kublai khan type of group

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Being in the Banished while not being a leader isn't really good for your health.

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Why blue

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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and accepted everyone

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Why leave a group that can beat anyone.

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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but i still feel sangheili as a group were not the type to bend knee to other races

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other than the prophets i guess

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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they did to the prophets 😏

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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yeah but the prophets literally beat them in a war

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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That was to save their race

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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with a handful of individuals and one ship lol

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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but they still bend the knee

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Why leave a group that can beat anyone.
The Banished couldn't even beat a heavily depleted colony ship made many decades previously.

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Yes because Halo games are always non biased

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And in favor of the the not green guy

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Well one spartan almost singlehandedly destroyed the covenant. it's not too hard to believe 3 could hold their own against the banished

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Booo

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:37 PM

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the SoF has a good captain tho

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Well one spartan almost singlehandedly destroyed the covenant.
When was that?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I say give us a covenant hero game

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Chief the green bean

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Atriox beat 3 Spartans II’s. Which was a great cutscene

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:37 PM

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That was pretty satisfying

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:37 PM

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yeah that was badass

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Ado, no Covie Hero game. They are bad aliens who do bad things

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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u wanna see spartans suffer dont u ado?

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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And then clenched his fist and went "I'll get you next time, SoF!" the rest of the game. 😋

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Not fond of them

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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“Run.. little Demons.”

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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i love spartans as much as the next guy, but seeing them get stomped is also pretty cool from time to time

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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atriox is evil brute chief

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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I want either a Sangheili Halo game or Brute

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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@gilded mason yeah i really don't understand why atriox wasn't more involved militarily, even when he was clearly losing.

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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He got lazy

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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i'd def play a halo game where you played as a grunt

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Haha 😂

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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do banished have other ships or was it just the one CAS

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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They have more around the galaxy

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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He took a power nap, and by the time he awoke, they were losing

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:40 PM

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They have others, but that one was biggest one they brought to the Ark

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:40 PM

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excellent

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Concept art showed them also being cruisers

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....sigh bring*

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:40 PM

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They ~~have~~ had Enduring Conviction

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Till some bots with an eye kamikazed

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Yeah one Green guy made it RIP

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With the help of orange sidekick

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:41 PM

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one green guy and one orange gal

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Green guy goes in Black hole in Infinite... wins the universe

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:42 PM

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god i hope red team shows up in infinite

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Jerome is one of my favorite spartans

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so

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:42 PM

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ALICE!!!

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:42 PM

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yu

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:42 PM

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WHERE ARE U

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:43 PM

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D O U G L A S!!!!!!!

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:43 PM

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agreed. anyone who can fight an entire campaign with nothing but spartan laser has my respect

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 5:43 PM

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DUTCH. MICKEY. ROMEO!

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Where are you guys!

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:43 PM

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mickey is in the brig

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if not dead

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gone the way of epstein

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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He's part of Alpha-Nine again

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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wait really

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Have you read Bad Blood?

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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nope

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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he was an innie for a while tho

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I imagine he still is. You can't change your values at the drop of a hat.

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:45 PM

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i saw bad blood but i assumed it would be in first person

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and i always cringe reading in first person

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I don’t think he was an Innie. He was just manipulated at the right time for the Innies

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:45 PM

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but you gotta set them aside when your race needs you

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:46 PM

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but you gotta set them aside when your race needs you
Yeah, and I think that's what he did

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:46 PM

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it is indeed what he did

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:49 PM

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@spring spindlecryptum was first person and was good

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:51 PM

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it was, but that was a lot more conceptual I guess? there weren't as many attempts to describe exactly what was going on in that moment. i just didn't like how new blood felt like it was trying to do third person descriptions of the scene and everyone's emotions, from a first person perspective.

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first person writing should be more focused on the speakers thoughts IMHO, which is what cryptum did. new blood was too focused on trying to "write" a first person shooter

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Fair

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:54 PM

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I liked New Blood as it delved into everyone’s character a lot more, especially Buck. It was nice to see and I think Matt Forbeck did a good job overall. He really nailed everyone’s character perfectly

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I think he mentioned how he did such a good job of it in some article on Waypoint

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:54 PM

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i'm not saying it's a bad book, and i know a lot of people that like new blood. i just personally have a weird thing about that style of first person writing lol

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but to each their own!

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Indeed, all books some sort of flaw

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:56 PM

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^ ‘Tis indeed

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:56 PM

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i agree that style is kinda weird for me

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but to each their own

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:56 PM

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like my favorite book in the series is either ghosts of onyx or last light

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Like broken circle, you never find out the fate of the original cast

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:57 PM

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My favourite story is probably Breaking Strain, it’s a nice little short story and I hope someone will pick up Kevin’s story

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:58 PM

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but i'm really into the spartan-iii's and how messed up they all are in the head. and broken circle was really good, i wish they'd make more covenant-focused books like that. maybe during the war with the entire book being from the covenant perspective rather than switching between covenant and unsc

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Spartan-IIIs aren’t messed up in the head...

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:58 PM

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maybe during the war with the entire book being from the covenant perspective
||Nizat time||

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:58 PM

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i mean they have to take anti-psychotics to keep from losing their minds

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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That's Gammas

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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That’s only the Gammas

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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well they're spartan-iii's

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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And thanks to a specific drug introduced to their augments

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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sorry, i didn't mean to generalize

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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whats up with gammas?

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why is that?

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Maybe a tale of nizat mentoring xytan

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Kurt wanted them to have a greater chance to survive

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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They had illegal brain mutations meaning they are more resilient to injuries

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Or other way

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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should've specified the gammas. which are the ones mostly featured in ghosts of onyx and last light

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wish they had included them in reach but that game already had a lot going on plotwise

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I don’t think Gammas were ready to be deployed when Reach was under attack, either that or they didn’t have enough time to deploy them there

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 6:02 PM

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i liked that one short story about the shipmaster going back to that human planet he glassed and finding a human survivor. always thought a story about someone (or something) stumbling upon an old suit of mjolnir (like the one noble 6 left on reach) and trying to find out about the owner or something

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that would be cool

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Yeah that’s called the Return. It’s a nice short story

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But like I said my favourite is Breaking Strain, but if I had to chose a second place or replace Breaking Strain it would be Dirt without a doubt in my mind.

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 6:03 PM

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which one was breaking strain?

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Breaking Strain is the one with Kevin-A282. The UNSC ship crashes and is stranded on a small colony near the tail-end of the HCW

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The people there aren’t very fond of the UNSC but at the end a Covenant ship arrives revealing that Humans and Elites are working together

spring spindle Jan 20, 2020, 6:07 PM

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wait is that the one where the spartan goes off into the woods and just sort of watches over the humans?

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:07 PM

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I said that R word film!!

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Gotta type all that out again 😦

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Lancer, yeah kinda.

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:08 PM

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thats also filtered?

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:08 PM

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He doesn’t necessarily watch over everyone, he kinda stands idle

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 6:08 PM

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It's been a month since that movie actually came out. Hopefully the filter is removed today

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:08 PM

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I hope so Ostral

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Lets pray

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:09 PM

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It makes it hard to discuss lore sometimes

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Yeah

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:09 PM

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cant even say 087s name

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Or flying vehicle from Reach

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It’s silly and idiotic and makes me dislike that film franchise more because it ruins my conversations

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Falcon?

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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it was bad ever since the 8th one came out in my opinion

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Covenant 3mpire

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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🚑

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Whambulance

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Wait how can you say that F vehicle? I swear it was filtered

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Falcon

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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phantom

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ghost

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Thats a p dingus

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Jk

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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SWEET MOTHER OF JESUS

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Falcon

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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we can say ghosts??

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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We...can talk????

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Oh... Odd I remember it being filtered

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Indeed

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Force

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Wars

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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HOORAY

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Oof

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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YEEHAW

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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no St4r though

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Thats a rip j

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Trooper

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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nope not even K

humble yacht Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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If you make a big deal of it then it might get reversed

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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why would it get reversed over a few messages that dont even contain any spoilers?

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Yeah, let’s go back to lore

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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I can say UNSC trooper!!!

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Yay

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Ok yes

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Was the UNSC army in new mombasa during 2 and we just couldn’t see them?

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:13 PM

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I’d assume so

versed helm Jan 20, 2020, 6:13 PM

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probably

hasty locust Jan 20, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Yeah

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Lore

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:14 PM

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It was Earth. UNSC was hands on deck with it’s defence

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Although not all UNSC forces were present at Earth as there were isolated skirmishes prior and during the Covenant’s attack of the planet

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But I’d say some elements of the Army would be at Earth

stoic hamlet Jan 20, 2020, 6:28 PM

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There were army on earth

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That’s kind of a given tbh

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Palace hotel confirms most were on evacuation duty.

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:30 PM

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In Fall of Reach, its says that if its a Ground War Spartans always win, if its a Navel War Covenant always wins. UNSC could only compete on the ground. That true?

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 6:30 PM

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On the ground, Spartans usually won, yes.

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Is there a reason for that? I know Spartans are super soldiers

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Better tactics?

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Does the Covenant just charge?

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Nah, Covenant use tactics

hollow meadow Jan 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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It's just Spartans are trained to be highly versatile in the heat of battle

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Yeah

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Ahh

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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And are honestly just more efficient at fighting. Most Elites don’t stand a chance against a regular ole Spartan

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As for Naval combat it’s not necessarily that Covenant always won, but it was rather costly for UNSC in Naval Combat

hollow meadow Jan 20, 2020, 6:33 PM

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In space, the Covenant have a clear edge due to their advanced spaceships and being able to glass any planet on a whim

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:33 PM

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But in most cases Covies won

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Yeah, in the few times the the UNSC won, it was usually more of a phyrric victory

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With them losing a ton more ships than the Covenant

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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So basically. Covenant wins above. UNSC wins below

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Just think how it would have gone had the covenant only had sangheili

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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UNSC wins below
Spartans win below

hollow meadow Jan 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Orbital bombardment is like the tactical nuke in MW2, it just always wins

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Gotcha

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Sigma Octanus and Preston Cole’s last stand are the only real major UNSC Naval victories

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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First strike too

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Oh yeah, but that was a little different to usual tactics due to it being one hybrid ship vs an invasion fleet

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:36 PM

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So shouldn’t the covenant just glass every hostile planet? Wouldn’t need to waster soldier lives

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 6:36 PM

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When the Covenant goes groundside, it's to get something from the surface

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Usually Forerunner artifacts

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Which are “vital to their religion”

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Ahh search and retrieve missions

gilded mason Jan 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Yeah, wouldn't wanna accidently glass those

hollow meadow Jan 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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They usually do not glass a planet until they know there are no Forerunner artifacts on it

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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But they also sometimes have to contend with Navy before they can start glassing and so send forces down to attack the humans there

hollow meadow Jan 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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It's why they often send in ground troops first to do reconistance

astral dust Jan 20, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Too hard to pick sides

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Too many goodies

terse lava Jan 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Whole reason why the war from the covenant side was trivial

hollow meadow Jan 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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In the case of Reach, despite a Forerunner ship being down there, they decided to glass the planet regardless, either as a show of military might to humanity or simply not being able to recover it after Sword Base got destroyed by Noble Team

inner basin Jan 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Well UNSC ultimately win now. They have so many Spartans and the Infinity, which is all but unstoppable at this point