Which brings up the question, shipmasters and fleetmasters also wore gold armour, are they Zealots as well, because aren't Zealots part of a different Covenant ministry?
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
unique rune
Shipmaster is more just a title than a proper rank
golden belfry
Employed by the Ministry of Fervent Intercession,[3] Sangheili Zealots serve as the admirals and generals of the Covenant military; Commanders of Battalions, Ships and Fleets. Field Masters lead armies; Ship Masters command ships; Fleet Masters command armadas. "Zealot" seems to be a general term, applying to all high ranking Sangheili below Imperial Admiral and Sangheili High Councilor. It is also possible that each rank has sub-ranks as well, since the rank of Field Marshal exists, though this is most likely superior to a "standard" Zealot. Identification: Golden (Halo: CE/CEA and Halo 2) or Maroon/Purple armor (Halo: Reach and Halo 4).
So if they big gold and carry swords
they zealots
versed helm
Right, that makes sense
golden belfry
a Supreme Commander is depicted as clad in bright violet armor, with a long cloak that wraps around his shoulders. This particular Supreme Commander, Thel 'Vadam, was a friend and superior to SpecOps Leader Rtas 'Vadumee and would later become the Arbiter of the Covenant.
But... he wears gold armour in the game
???
and in the H2A terminals
versed helm
Yeah was about to say that
versed helm
Yeah
gilded mason
Too bad, though. It was pretty snazzy
Oh yeah, Nizat is a fleetmaster and wears blue armor, almost forgot about that.
versed helm
I feel ashamed that I need to look up some of these names. I really need to catch up on the Halo books, I haven't read any since Ghosts of Onyx came out and that was a hot minute ago.
gilded mason
Ah. Yeah, some of the ones after that have been pretty good.
astral dust
Which order should you watch the Nightfall Second stories in? There are 3 Acquisition, Human Element and Intervention.
feral perch
Is there any evidence that Thel was a friend of Rtas prior to the last level of Halo 2?
gilded mason
The graphic novel seems to only really show them as respecting each other as fellow military commanders.
feral perch
That's what I thought.
gilded mason
But he needs your credit card information?
cunning wave
and the blast radius consumed the whole ship he was in
golden belfry
wouldnt he eat the grunts?
feral perch
Mjolnir is not rated for slipspace.
golden belfry
he wasnt in space though, he was in the ship
cunning wave
he was in the ship
feral perch
The ship would have been torn apart in the subdimension.
cunning wave
how come
feral perch
Even if he weren't squished or impaled by the parts, he wouldn't survive raw exposure slipstream space.
golden belfry
Nah mate, hes got shields, she'll be right
cunning wave
he wouldn't be exposed because he was in the covenant ship
feral perch
The Ardent Prayer was transitioned violently along with a chunk of the supercarrier. There's no reason to think it would have maintained structural integrity or gone anywhere. It probably was slipped to oblivion.
gilded mason
That's what Kat said would happen, yeah
cunning wave
But he still ended up somewhere
gilded mason
And Jorge's Waypoint page explicitly says he died.
cunning wave
Things get rewritten as new information comes out
golden belfry
#prayforjorge
feral perch
Why would Jorge be revisited for anything other than a prequel story? His narrative was concluded when he died. That was the whole point of his character.
I don't think he ended up anywhere, either. I'm fairy certain he was just... consumed.
gilded mason
And even if the ship somehow survived slipspace, he would still have nothing to eat or drink, and quickly perish.
feral perch
inb4 he's actually alive and living it up on whatever's left of maethrillion lol
cunning wave
The ships are designed to survive slipsapce, they go in it all the time
feral perch
Not in a transition designed to mimic a bomb.
half jacinth
Nah man. He’s dead
gilded mason
And when it opens up in the middle of the ship
half jacinth
He went out in a badass way, let it stay that way
cunning wave
I'm just saying, why assume it just vaporized him when slipspace drives are never known for that
gilded mason
Because slispace always opens up ahead of ships
cunning wave
And then you enter it
unique rune
Misaligned slipspace drive destroyed a human ship, no reason to assume an entirely unaligned drive wouldn’t obliterate a small Covenant ship.
feral perch
Yeah, and because Kat said that when the same thing happened before, the ship was slipped to oblivion.
cunning wave
It destroyed the ship because only half of it entered slipspace due to not installing the engine correctly,
So, saying sent to oblivion. Does that imply it was sent somewhere or destroyed
feral perch
destroyed.
unique rune
Sent to slipspace where it was ripped apart by the turbulent forces of that dimension is what I assume
feral perch
If it does it to one half, why not a whole?
golden belfry
okay, for some deep lore diving, dont slipsace drives also install a thin shield or something around the ship?
I remember something about that. Also on that, doesnt normal matter react violently to slipspace like an anti-matter reaction?
half jacinth
He did take off his helmet. He would have died anyway
cunning wave
She says half so I'm not sure
@half jacinth the whole ship he was in was inside the blast
gilded mason
For a certain amount of time, he and the room he was in was in slipspace alone, and then the rest of the ship followed.
feral perch
The drive wasn't connected to the ship in question. It wasn't a proper transition; it wouldn't move the ship through slipstream space normally. Also, good point Ostral.
cunning wave
who says there isn't rations on the ship to last him years
all the while can activate a distress beacon from his suit
gilded mason
😐
deep pewter
Slipspace is full of radiation
feral perch
he didn't end up anywhere. Slipspace effectively "ate" him and the Corvette.
unique rune
This is... a bit... reachy.
cunning wave
define "ate"
cunning wave
@gilded mason I do see your point though
gilded mason
The entire ship would be full of radiation since it was opened up inside of the shielding, if the ship wasn't already destroyed
unique rune
Well, humans can probably eat Covenant rations, but it’s a bit of a moot point when the rest of the ship would have been in tatters.
gilded mason
Yeah
deep pewter
Jorge would’ve died of radiation poisoning long before he even got hungry
feral perch
The forces in slipstream space would have shredded, pulverized, stretched, distorted, and overall annihilated the Corvette and anything else in the blast because it wasn't a proper transition, it was weaponized.
unique rune
You also aren’t supposed to be standing right where slipspace portals open.
deep pewter
Jorge would’ve been dead 50 different ways by the time the ship made it into slipspace, I don’t know why people think he could’ve survived
feral perch
nah man he's hiding in that cave with six 
deep pewter
Is Kurt there too?
gilded mason
The giant cave in the sky
feral perch
I wish, Donk.
versed helm
honestly sucks to just think Jorge probably suffered in slipspace
feral perch
Kurt, Joshua, Grace, and many others @deep pewter
cunning wave
Has anyone read Halo: First Strike?
versed helm
i have
feral perch
Now that is actually possible. Not necessarily the POW thing, but James could be alive. I wouldn't bet anything on the possibility, though. @light igloo
cunning wave
Was there a point that Blue team survive slipspace in a damaged ship?
gilded mason
Yeah
feral perch
Yeah, he's head of the Spartan-IV branch.
feral perch
The drive was still mounted to the Bloodied Spirit properly, and it could be activated in the proper way.
light igloo
halcyon class ships were very robust
versed helm
Honestly it makes sense that they survive because we do not have a discript veiw on how damaged it was
light igloo
their superstructure could take a lot of hits and still survive because of honeycomb like beam structures
versed helm
if it were lets say like what happened on reach, it wouldnt
cunning wave
If you watch the cutscene, the portal appears to have form instantaniously and around the ship he was in. What if the engine doesn't form the portal starting at the very engine, but at a radius large enough for a ship to enter?
His death
Right before it turns big
half jacinth
Reach
cunning wave
gilded mason
He was in the smaller ship, not the supercarrier, just FYI
cunning wave
what do you mean it was shown the center got torn apart?
versed helm
Ok with the whole Jorge surviving, slipspace ruptures space-time to make a portal, thats why portals are always entered not formed around the ship itself
cunning wave
Based on what info?
versed helm
Donk is right
gilded mason
@versed helm
He was in the smaller ship, not the supercarrier, just FYI
half jacinth
I hope he stays dead. Not sure why you would want him to be alive
gilded mason
We didn't actually see the smaller ship get torn apart. It's just logical to infer.
cunning wave
I'm just making an observation based on how slipspace engines work
He was in a corvette, they go through slipspace
Malfunctioned how
versed helm
^correct
gilded mason
Long Night of Solace
And as said earlier, the portal would emerge right from the bomb itself and expand outwards. Which you can actually see in the cutscene.
cunning wave
The Long Night of Solace
I'm looking it up too
It doesn't help that they don't detail the plan
unique rune
Vessels like the SDV-class are designed for slipspace travel, sure, but they aren’t designed to have a slipspace portal opened inside of them.
versed helm
no vessel is designed for that
that is why ships always form the portal then enter it\
gilded mason
Yup
unique rune
Other than supermassive ones like High Charity.
cunning wave
"As the corvette came in range of the Long Night of Solace, the bomb detonated and created a slipspace rupture. The rupture sent the corvette into slipspace along with the mid-section of the supercarrier."
into slipspace
stoic hamlet
Even if, hypothetically, he managed to survive the initial portal he’d die in Slipspace.
cunning wave
not in the ship he wouldn't
stoic hamlet
Yes he would
cunning wave
IDK
unique rune
But the ship wouldn’t have made it through the portal in one piece
versed helm
he also had his helmet off so..
stoic hamlet
The ship was damaged from the boarding, he had removed his helmet, etc
gilded mason
Abacus, the portal was opened within the ship
cunning wave
Guys, if he took off his helmet then he had oxygen and the ship wasn't exposed to the outside because if he did then he WOULDN'T take his helmet off.
versed helm
If he had actually made it I wonder where he would've ended up
stoic hamlet
Nowhere
versed helm
Can we just agree he died, multiple factors point towards this and its honestly obvious
stoic hamlet
There was no exit destination
cunning wave
We don't know that
stoic hamlet
We don’t know what?
versed helm
Aww comeon I know there wasnt but we gotta have some fun with This lol
cunning wave
There is no destination
gilded mason
Ain’t there a chance Jorge got sucked in before the ship
Of course. Since he was literally right next to the portal when it formed.
cunning wave
There is a chance of that
stoic hamlet
Even if there was a destination, he wouldn’t survive the journey to it.
Human slip drives take weeks to arrive to even the closest places.
cunning wave
But my arguement is that the portal formed around the ship besides exactly at the engine itself
Based on the cutscene
stoic hamlet
Around which ship?
gilded mason
It formed at the bomb and expanded outwards.
stoic hamlet
^^^
cunning wave
how do we know that
stoic hamlet
He. Is. Dead.
cunning wave
chill
unique rune
Because that’s how slipspace portals work...?
cunning wave
In the cutscene
It does not show it start at the engine
it shopws that it starts around the ship
versed helm
Jorge is eating Moa burgers with the rest of noble in spartan Heaven
unique rune
A drive opens a portal and expands it out from a point
versed helm
Nah emile is there too
unique rune
It doesn’t just instantaneously exist at the right size
cunning wave
And I'm saying it expanded at a point that's already around the ship
versed helm
He Cooks the burgers
gilded mason
A portal wouldn't just material out of nowhere with volume already there.
versed helm
Emile is the chef donk
cunning wave
? ? ? ?
half jacinth
If he survived 343 or bungie would have said something by now. Just like they did with Jun
cunning wave
I can probably still argue why he's alive
It's the only cutscene we see of his "death"
unique rune
The portal is shown... very clearly expanding.
cunning wave
So do I
unique rune
It expands quickly but it’s definitely not instantaneous.
cunning wave
It looks instantanious
gilded mason
Because it's fast
cunning wave
I'm not joking look at the cutscene
half jacinth
If he did survive the slipspace the covenant would have found him and killed him
cunning wave
It literally cuts to it being already around the ship BEFORE it starts to form
unique rune
I. Am. Watching. The. Cutscene.
cunning wave
and
stoic hamlet
cunning wave
you see the small light at the start
stoic hamlet
That blue sphere is the corvette
cunning wave
That is around the ship
gilded mason
You actually see it start to form inside the ship when looking up at it through Noble 6's point of view as he's falling
cunning wave
wut
stoic hamlet
No, it is the ship
stoic hamlet
It is he ship. It’s already expanded to encompass it.
cunning wave
But we don't know that
Because we didn't see that
all we see is the light is around the ship before it expands
correct?
stoic hamlet
Also, Human Slipspace portals are black holes.
He was standing right next to the exposed drive with none of the safety features it would usually have.
He’s spaghettiified, 100%.
cunning wave
yes you do
gilded mason
versed helm
More like did you see abraham Lincoln getting shot 👀
cunning wave
but I have seen the evidence
stoic hamlet
Wow, that’s a much better image than mine Ostral, lol
unique rune
boy this is going absolutely nowhere
guess I’ll check back in half an hour
cunning wave
that is proven
gilded mason
Wow, that’s a much better image than mine Ostral, lol
😉
stoic hamlet
You do good work my friend.
gilded mason
Thank ya
cunning wave
I have provided completely viable reasons he is still alive. Ignore it if you wish
He's stuck in space
with food
and a distress beacon
he's solid
it's a entire ship
he'll last years
versed helm
Jorge would be stuck with a bunch of dinos and lobster boys
stoic hamlet
Can humans eat Covenant foodstuffs?
cunning wave
We can also assume he stopped the engine himself while in slipspace
versed helm
No but they can eat covenant 👀
stoic hamlet
The ship’s engines are destroyed
cunning wave
that's irrelevant
stoic hamlet
Well. The Cortana one isn’t actually dumb
versed helm
I mean logic plague wouldnt be that hard to believe...
cunning wave
I'm saying he can stop the slipspace drive
if he can activate it
he can deactivate it
?
where u get that from
versed helm
"we all make it sooner or later"
cunning wave
they didn't make the engine theirselves
why assume there isn't a off button
I'm not sure if they killed all of them or not
That is true
I will give you that
They have an option to turn it off
My point still stands
cunning wave
because they're made with one
full forge
Bruh
cunning wave
...
inner basin
Just accept that Jorge is dead and move on. Arguing about it is pointless anyways
cunning wave
I don't think jorge is a slipspace engine mechanic
full forge
It's an incorrectly mounted slipspace drive. Even if there is an off button, it wouldn't work.
That's the whole point of it.
direction
cunning wave
vero ur ignoring all the points already said above
versed helm
"We all make it sooner or later"
full forge
Maybe I didn't read the points above :)
cunning wave
i know
cunning wave
Yes he can
full forge
They called it a slipspace bomb for a reason my guy.
When a bomb goes off, you can't just turn off the bomb after it goes off
inner basin
Why/how would he be able to turn it off though? It makes zero sense
cunning wave
Ok do we know that they built a entirely new slipspace bomb for that mission during precious time while reach is being glassed?
versed helm
Since This argument isnt going anywhere
full forge
No they didn't, they took a slipspace drive off of a Paris class frigate.
versed helm
Lets just say Jorge is eating Moa burgers some where and move on
inner basin
Glassed and attacked are two entirely different things
full forge
Bruh
inner basin
Because of you
cunning wave
lol k
full forge
I really don't see how you can think that someone who is dead is not dead, especially when he is explicitly stated as being quite dead indeed.
cunning wave
doesn't make it valid
full forge
I'm sure you know something. Just not how being dead works.
cunning wave
I have addressed everything you guys are saying
full forge
Addressing something isn't the same as being right about something.
cunning wave
did I say that
versed helm
Emile is Gordon Ramsays reincarnation in the halo universe
full forge
No, I just thought I'd clarify.
cunning wave
thanks
versed helm
Thats why he is a great chef
full forge
Wrong nationalities tbh
inner basin
Also isn’t Emile potentiality coloured?
full forge
Potentially?
versed helm
Gordon didnt have that many forehead wrinkles at that age 👀
full forge
I'd say for certainty.
half jacinth
If that tweet isn’t enough proof to show you that he’s dead. Not sure what else you want
inner basin
A letter from Bungie themselves would probably do it, Chris lol
gilded mason
It wouldn't matter, since he said even if it was stated he was dead (like how it is now on Waypoint) they always have the time to retcon it later
inner basin
Better to have them listed dead rather than alive or missing
cunning wave
If any of you want to continue the discussion in voice that'd be cool
I like debating the topic
inner basin
Not in particular, Abacus
inner basin
Let’s not, pls
cunning wave
Bit rude but your choice
Idk why people get emotional in debates
Turns into a mob mentality for some reason
inner basin
It’s not emotional. You’re arguing an invalid argument
cunning wave
Look I'm not pointing fingers
inner basin
^^^
cunning wave
Sadly that's true
Only for people who don't debate correctly
Which is why I'm here
inner basin
The way I see it, you’re wasting all of our time
versed helm
Come on boys dont do This again
cunning wave
I respect that you think that
inner basin
We’ve seen this plenty of times, but I agree with what Jcrrz said. It’s pointless too
half jacinth
Noble 6 did say “he’s gone.” He probably had a better view what was going on
inner basin
Are you that oblivious?
full forge
Honestly your points remind me of the Halo YouTube community and that just makes me sad.
inner basin
Look, you do you, Abacus
cunning wave
See what I mean
Imagine saying that to someone in a debate in real life
really undignified
full forge
I would, honestly.
half jacinth
He also gave 6 his tags
cunning wave
But I digress
half jacinth
Like he KNEW he was going to die
inner basin
I would rather just move on and talk about something more worthwhile. This “debate” that is already disproved, has came up time and time again. It does get annoying rather quickly
cunning wave
Yes Donk thank you for repeating that info for the third time
full forge
It's hard not to be condescending to someone hoping to argue and loophole someone back from the dead.
cunning wave
I can still argue it
Do you want me too or not
You can say you want a debate you know
full forge
I don't.
versed helm
Boys lets just talk about how good of a chef Emile is
inner basin
Can we seriously move on?
versed helm
He prepares amazing Moa burgers
inner basin
^ Yikes
cunning wave
Just move on, I'll find better participates
versed helm
But the lead is only in the head 👀
full forge
Get off my planet burger
inner basin
“I like the crunch” - Carter
Jun would be watching them all from a distance
With a burger in one hand and his Sniper in the other
versed helm
Emile knows how to make great Guta steak
inner basin
Depends on the target
half jacinth
I wonder if Gutas were harvested for their meat
unique rune
good lord what did I miss
versed helm
You could get alot of Meat from them tho
inner basin
Probably near extinct too I’d imagine
unique rune
Yeah, we don’t hunt or farm predators for a reason...
inner basin
May be protected by wildlife conservation agencies
unique rune
So the same thing as half an hour ago, fun.
versed helm
Emile is a great chef btw
inner basin
Well we do. Not in the U.S or Europe, but in Asian countries, Nova
unique rune
Ah, right. But even then they aren’t really upper level predators, are they?
inner basin
Well they’re considerably dangerous
half jacinth
The gutas were cool. I wish they showed up more
versed helm
And their SIZE 👀
unique rune
Dangerous, sure, but not something like a lion where they’re at the top of a food pyramid.
versed helm
Lions also compete with hyenas
inner basin
Wouldn’t want to see what that is Donk
unique rune
Reach seems like it’d be alright as long as it’s not under Covenant siege.
unique rune
Probably whatever it can get its claws on
At that size one would need a lot of sustenance to function, I’d imagine.
versed helm
It kinda looked like the jackal bit the guys neck and snapped it
inner basin
Later
astral dust
What are “Head Hunters”?
versed helm
Selected Spartan III's to under Take dangerous missions to eliminate or destroy a target, they usually werent expected to return.
astral dust
Ahh, ok. I see now
versed helm
@versed helm Aren't there also Spartan IV headhunters?
carmine sleet
There are
hollow meadow
Aren't Gutas considered herbivores by Kat's comments in the campaign?
unique rune
Pretty sure she only ever comments on them being indigenous to the planet.
versed helm
yeah there are SIV headhunters
stoic hamlet
“Volunteered” you mean
quiet umbra
I feel like Gutas would be herbivores
in general carnivores that large have trouble sustaining themselves, there has to be even bigger prey
most dinosaurs were dying out even before the asteroid hit
versed helm
and big claws
unique rune
Wouldn’t surprise me if they were omnivorous.
lilac oasis
@quiet umbra as long as theres an abundance of smaller creatures, the carnivores tend to survive (look at bugs and whales)
maiden crest
Whats average life span of a spartan 2
versed helm
for natural causes or for being kia?
maiden crest
MIA
quiet umbra
For now they're like Witchers lol
maiden crest
But their lifespan might be more than avg human
quiet umbra
both Spartan II's and Witchers have never died of old age
humble yacht
if you take into account unnatural causes, it's not really life span. it's life expectancy at that point
versed helm
pretty much
maiden crest
Ye
versed helm
a spartan is more likely to die in battle than from old age
quiet umbra
I would ballpark their lifespan to be maybe 100
fair hazel
wicked rampart
Its 500 years in the future, I'd give or take like 120-140. Think about all the medical advancements accessible for the average human.
They're probably more progressive in terms of holistic care, pharmaceutical companies have safer regulations, hell health care is probably free and/or universal.
Think of all the cures they've found for diseases on other planets. I bet the diseases we know in the real world are eradicated.
sorry, I got my degree in public health. This discussion is literally my profession lol
they've probably cured everything that's relevant today.
clever fable
How much traveling would you have to do for using cryo in slipspace to add up significantly in terms of your age like that? Are there frequent transports/routes that people get placed on that ends up causing that disparity in someone's true age?
Also is it likely that some social oriented policy got implimented so that doesn't screw with someone's life too much? Like a security detail on a ship that frequents a long route would eventually have some really weird situations going on in their social life back home if they kept getting put on freeze for 3 months at a time every year.
wicked rampart
The lore around cryo i am much less familiar with
i would consult @torn rapids he's the lore pro
wicked rampart
also, subscribe to his channel on YT. I just found him the other day and I have been binging his content
inner basin
Did I just get pinged??
I could swear I was pinged for something. Can anyone fill me in?
No? Right... well back to YT
gaunt oakBOT
unique rune
RIP. Bot didn't like all the mentions, I assume.
inner basin
Oh, is that when I was pinged then?
unique rune
Most likely
wicked rampart
wasn't me
terse lava
What happened?
inner basin
I don’t really know. I got a ping (which I’m not angry at just confused) but I haven’t got answers as to what happened. From what I could gather though, I think Canadian mentioned a number of people in his post and got muted temporarily by Warden for the number of mentions (then he was unmuted like 10mins ago)
gilded mason
Gawrsh
stoic hamlet
But yeah I tagged a bunch of you in loose response to the “lore pro” statement from earlier.
If anyone’s pros, it’s you guys.
gilded mason
😉
stoic hamlet
I tagged:
Ostral
Beast
Ado
Brave
and then mentioned myself, of course. ;P
There’s also Toa, but he’s not usually on.
Looters and Tide as well are two pros.
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
So that's why I noticed a message that poofed
versed helm
fried taters
gilded mason
...Stuff
deep pewter
Jul mentions some normal foods in Thursday war
gilded mason
Lekgolo meals are full of vitamins and minerals
humble yacht
Grunts have that nasty protein paste
versed helm
👀
unique rune
Mmm.
Rotting cheese and locker room smell.
astral dust
Does Fall of Reach have or mentioned Noble Team in it? Or is it a different story.
humble yacht
different story
versed helm
different story
stoic hamlet
^^^
humble yacht
only Halo Reach the game features Noble Team
astral dust
Ahh okay
deep pewter
Are they mentioned in the new version of GoO?
humble yacht
They aren't mentioned by name though
versed helm
there is a really good comic about them called fistful of arrows, it technically isnt canon but 343 and bungie have acknowledged it as if it were, if you are interested in reading it that is.
stoic hamlet
Yeah. No named mentions
humble yacht
nowhere
versed helm
he is a saturday morning cartoon
gilded mason
He's John's secret doodle OC
humble yacht
nope
gilded mason
When nobody is watching, he gets out a sketchpad and makes art of him
But. Cortana saw it once.
versed helm
is chief a good artist?
gilded mason
Truly one of the masters
versed helm
is he the reincarnation of Bob Ross?
stoic hamlet
You could say he’s a Master Chief 😛
gilded mason
Booo
versed helm
sounds like something emile would paint
stoic hamlet
Oh, oh, oh. Really random dumb showerthought.
If the characters of halo preformed a play, let’s say Annie, would all the III’s play the random orphans?
That’d be darkly humorous.
gilded mason
lol
gilded mason
Her deal was that they couldn't snatch her until her grandma died or something, right?
stoic hamlet
I still don’t really get that
versed helm
emile would be the pyro
versed helm
yes
versed helm
Jorge would be the heavy
stoic hamlet
Jun is sniper obviously
versed helm
Dot would be the announcer
stoic hamlet
Actually would Emile be demoman?
versed helm
i dont think emile is a drunk boi
stoic hamlet
I’d argue like, every III would be a combination of Pyro and Soldier tbh
Personality wise anyways.
Mhm
versed helm
kat would be the engineer
stoic hamlet
Halsey (not a Spartan obviously) would be the medic
She’s more a tech expert than an engineer
But yeah it fits
versed helm
Soldier = Carter Heavy = Jorge Spy = Six Pyro = Emile Engineer = Kat Sniper = Jun Announcer = Dot
thats my take on it boys
True Lies
stoic hamlet
I doubt they’ve seen movies since they were little.
clever fable
They strike me more as the audiobook kinda people.
...this discussion brought to you by audible.
versed helm
theyd probably listen to war of the worlds
stoic hamlet
They might like starship troopers or something.
versed helm
can Gutas be milked
carmine sleet
That's a weird question to ask
clever fable
I'm gonna pave the path forward for science.
stoic hamlet
o7 you’re a brave man
astral dust
Is the Fistful of Arrows Comic free ? Also is there any books that follow Spartan Locke?
gilded mason
Is the Fistful of Arrows Comic free ?
Yeah. It's a fan comic, so...
Also is there any books that follow Spartan Locke?
Just the live-action mini-series, Nightfall.
astral dust
Gotcha
hollow meadow
Wait... Locke was an ODST before he became a Spartan-IV?
safe siren
Nop.
He was an Oni Agent
terse lava
You know, how did Locke even learn thel's name
hasty locust
ONI powers
astral dust
When Spartan candidates get augmented, do they lose their libido?
hasty locust
Libido?
astral dust
Sexual drive.
feral perch
Some, likely many, of the S-IIs did. I believe IIIs did as well to some degree.
gilded mason
It was a risk
stoic hamlet
It was a risk for the II’s (and III’s for some reason) but it wasn’t intentionally done.
And yeah IV’s and I’s don’t have that risk
hasty locust
Proof: Johnson knows what the ladies like
umbral citrus
most likely knows what the fellas do too
hasty locust
?
umbral citrus
he just seems to have bi energies i can’t explain it
umbral citrus
just like the character overall it’s not anything specific
terse lava
🤨
feral perch
Have you read Contact Harvest, Stepper?
hasty locust
Is that a new profile picture stonewall?
feral perch
You could say that
hasty locust
It’s just the name sounds familiar but the picture looks different
I like it though
are the BOBs from halo reach canon
Or is it just a reference
carmine sleet
They are Ranger Commanders
But the name "BOB" is a reference to the Bobs from Marathon
umbral citrus
also have not read contact harvest is it any good?
carmine sleet
The ones in white (Or cyan like what we see in H2A) are standard Rangers
terse lava
Think he means like white BOB zealots
hasty locust
No, I mean there are a few BOBS that are just white elites with random armour bits
Yeah, ado
terse lava
I belive they are canon now too. Collateral Damage had a white zealot I think
carmine sleet
Those ones are unknown as to what their role is
hasty locust
Interesting
So is it retconned in CE that elites had different armour sets, or did they just switch to the colour coordinated after the siege of reach
stoic hamlet
I’d argue Reach is meant to overall be canon though.
With differing armour denoting roles.
gilded mason
But CE is betteeeer
carmine sleet
Gonna be honest, I prefer that Reach gave different ranks different armour. Makes them even more identifiable from a gameplay perspective
terse lava
So long as classic minor armor is kept
gilded mason
And the Rtas GN comic wouldn't really work if he was wearing the Reach version of his armor.
terse lava
Speaking of, there any canon ecplainingnthe H2A mm sangheili look?
carmine sleet
Easy fix for that, Ostral, Rtas just prefers to use the combat harness that we see him in most the time
terse lava
I met, like faction? They have crude paint
hasty locust
I kinda like the colour coded boys
terse lava
I dont think they are sos
gilded mason
Easy fix for that, Ostral, Rtas just prefers to use the combat harness that we see him in most the time```
Perfect. Then all the Elites we see in CE prefer to be more color-based in my book. 😋Until you hit the back button
gilded mason
Here's Invader Harness:
The Invader combat harness finds its origins in the ceremonial armor worn by Sangheili hunting lodges. Recently, Sangheili artisan-armorers on remote colonies have revived the harness with modern advancements to hunt down Jiralhanae raiding packs.
unique rune
All the Sangheili in 4 use the 343 Hesduros model.
Unless we're talking armor in which case each rank had a unique type.
gilded mason
And Outrider:
The Outrider combat harness includes a host of sensor enhancements and exotic structural composites which improve survivability and effectiveness during high-threat combat and isolated surveillance excursions on frontier worlds.
hasty locust
Yeah, I meant armour
terse lava
I was aware of the bios for the 2 other armors( which are pretty neat) but the base combat harness is what puzzles me
gilded mason
And the standard combat armor has a desc as well:
The standard Combat design has established itself as an extremely capable and adaptable pattern that remains popular across all Sangheili factions, even those who have eschewed the ways of the Covenant.
terse lava
Hm, nothing on any the new look or paint job....
Also wondering how I missed that one now
gilded mason
Think it might just be trying to show that the wearers aren't exactly official soldiers
terse lava
Hm
Honestly my biggest disappointment with Halo 2 anniversary multiplayer. A pity they couldnt use the campaign models
gilded mason
Yeah, it's a shame
terse lava
Actually when they 1st announced the game, wernt they using Halo reach models as placeholders?
gilded mason
No idea
terse lava
Would think a hundred billion at least
Forerunners had tens of trillions and humans tend if billions. Gives a good middle ground for the covenant to fill
gilded mason
Perhaps
gilded mason
Two hearts
Double set of pectorals, I think?
Lay eggs, grow little hairs in old age, neck scales when young
stoic hamlet
They just wanted an extra one, m’kay?
And the Precursors were like “sure, why not?”
hasty locust
Lol
gilded mason
"Anything for my cute widdle squiddies!"
hasty locust
Now for some reason I see a precursor McDonald’s where their just ordering up species
Also, Ostral, what?
gilded mason
Hm?
terse lava
I wonder...maybe the sangheili were created to be a helper/warrior race to the pre-human/forerunner race
hasty locust
“Anything for my cute Siddle squiddies”
stoic hamlet
Elites: “hey can we have two hearts?”
“Precursors:* “what?”
Elites: “Wort?”
gilded mason
Yes, Sangheili are cute widdle squiddies to the nice ol' Precursors.
hasty locust
Do you think baby elites would be cute?
gilded mason
Yes
terse lava
Duh
hasty locust
Or ugly maggots
gilded mason
Absolutely cute
terse lava
The cutest
gilded mason
I'm sure they're cute, too
terse lava
Maybe the precursors went with humanity, knowing sangheili would do the job too well 😋
hasty locust
Nah I don’t think so (to the grunts)
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
Halo 1 and 2 baby grunts though
terse lava
Those puppy y dog eyes
hasty locust
Or reach
hasty locust
Then H4 grunts came along
terse lava
.......
terse lava
throws settling under a glassing beam heresy gone
hasty locust
dead
terse lava
Agreed
hasty locust
why?
terse lava
Same reason from 2007
hasty locust
continues on to the great journey
terse lava
No cute grunt voice that makes me wish to give them hot coco
terse lava
.....wort
hasty locust
Wort
terse lava
Speaking of grunts was it ever really said why in halo 2, that the commando grunts will panic just as bad as regular grunts?
terse lava
On a more fun topic, favorite halo book quote?
hasty locust
“The”
I’ve read a few things that I was like wow, that’s smart but can never remember them
But I know 100% someone said “the”
terse lava
"THE"......"break time"
stoic hamlet
“Die? Didn’t you know, Spartans never die.”
IIRC that was the first time we ever actually heard that phrase.
Every other time I hear it or see it now I get annoyed because it dilutes the meaning. 😦
terse lava
Touche
stoic hamlet
That entire last section is filled with lots of double/ false meanings, really.
terse lava
Think my favorite thus far was Tem's concern for Nizat, thinking he was suffering heat stroke when the latter was going on the demons being salvation.
hasty locust
I hate it when people say the quote and add “their just missing in action” like I get it but the second part makes it lamer to me
stoic hamlet
It’s annoying when it comes up in the books. Looking at you Oblivion
hasty locust
If you could portal to another reality where the covenant was real and you could be an elite would you?
It’s a fat no for me dog
stoic hamlet
IIRC the whole point of the quote originally was that no Spartan actually ever said it because they knew it was BS.
Which is why Kurt saying it hurt so much, because he of all people knew it was a lie.
hasty locust
Yeah, poor Kurt
stoic hamlet
But he said it anyways, as a last F U to that Elite.
hasty locust
He was sidelined while his “family” was practically massacred on reach
hasty locust
True
gilded mason
If you could portal to another reality where the covenant was real and you could be an elite would you?
Hm. I wonder what my answer would be.
hasty locust
No
stoic hamlet
😉 @gilded mason
gilded mason
😏
hasty locust
OR portal a baby elite to our world
stoic hamlet
My answer to that would be yes
terse lava
Question
gilded mason
Then he could take care of me in my old age
stoic hamlet
Lots to learn from a dissection
terse lava
What time of the covenant?
stoic hamlet
Or that.
gilded mason
Lots to learn from a dissection
wude
gilded mason
I'd just move to a remote colony or go into a non-fighting profession.
hasty locust
COWARD
terse lava
Would likly end up a guard somewhere
gilded mason
I am a cowardly fool, yes!
hasty locust
I think I would teach the sangheli the wonders of Italian food
Pizza and pasta
The life
terse lava
True I guess
terse lava
Touche
On sangheili topics
Hiw do you think Ripa would have handled halo 2 had he lived? Thel here would be imprisoned rather then become the new arbiter
gilded mason
Hm. I guess the gas mine would go similarly
hasty locust
Well he seemed a lot more aggressive and I think arby would be deadions
terse lava
Ah
gilded mason
Delta Halo...Perhaps also the same? But yeah, Ripa doesn't seem like the kind of guy to sincerely ally with humans
Though he might use Johnson to open the control room and then shank him once he did
terse lava
And of the brute betrayal?
hasty locust
Have mercy in their souls
stoic hamlet
I mean, tbh, Thel was already a minority in terms of those who wanted an alliance with humanity.
Technically they didn’t really need one, had Xytan not been NOVA’d.
gilded mason
They didn't need one at all, really
hasty locust
Humanity needed one
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
Better question too, would he have still stayed with the san shyuim?
stoic hamlet
It’d be interesting to see if, say, Elites and Brutes stopped aggressively fighting humanity ad just focused on mauling each other, and only engaged humans if they attacked, how things would go.
This is assuming Truth didn’t go for the rings until after killing the Sangheili.
gilded mason
would he have still stayed with the san shyuim?
Nah, he's the kind of guy to hold grudges, it feels like
stoic hamlet
If things turned into a three-way free for all.
Humanity would probably NOVA a few planets on both sides and maybe even come out better off than they are in Canon.
gilded mason
If humanity did that, that'd kinda mean the end for them. No way the Brutes and Elites fighting each other would let that stand.
gilded mason
Seems possible
hasty locust
Guess the second heart does em good
gilded mason
Now I can be twice the bleeding-heart.
hasty locust
Do you think both hearts are on a different network of viens and arteries
deep pewter
Isn’t that basically the idea behind Kilo-V? Albeit Kilo-V is more focused on elites killing elites but brutes are caught in the crossfire too
hasty locust
So if an elite has a heart attack the other cna act as an auxiliary
gilded mason
Maybe?
versed helm
What if elites have a dominate heart? Do elites even have a dominate arm?
hasty locust
They all seem like righty’s to me
hasty locust
Delicious
terse lava
A better question, huragok cheese
versed helm
👀
gilded mason
ado why
terse lava
Because I wanted to one up him
hasty locust
They don’t...
terse lava
IT NEEDES TO BE DONE
hasty locust
BRUTE CHEESE
stoic hamlet
I mean technically they’re mammals I think.......
terse lava
@stoic hamletdont encourage him
stoic hamlet
So it’s technically possible
stoic hamlet
That last one......no
stoic hamlet
But Brutes and humans probably.
IIRC it’s a thing we do now with human breast milk, apparently. It wouldn’t surprise me anyways.
Granted I don’t know how good it would be.....
And yes I know what you actually mean
terse lava
....odd
stoic hamlet
And you’re disgusting.
versed helm
But why would the flood produce milk
terse lava
Because precursors are insane
versed helm
Lets make this canon
stoic hamlet
I’m supposed to be the degenerate here!
terse lava
And do it for laughs
versed helm
But the flood cant reproduce
versed helm
OR COULD THEY?
terse lava
No
hasty locust
Say that again ado
versed helm
Dang are you writing a 5 page essay ado?
terse lava
Dear settling, I regret thinking up huragok cheese, I regret thinking up flood cheese, and I most definitely regret this quote
gilded mason
spy no
terse lava
This is why the war against humanity started
gilded mason
Y'all are filthy with sin
terse lava
Dont include me, washed myself of that
versed helm
Dear humanity
we regret coming to earth
We regret being alien b*******
And we regret that the Corps just blew up our raggety a** fleet!
hasty locust
Ok someone purge me in the glory of a glassing beam and let’s move on
gilded mason
Dont include me, washed myself of that
It's too late to apologize~
terse lava
Nooooooooo
versed helm
Pilots are a myth
Pelicans are just so useful
That the moment one appears
Its destruction is a top priority
terse lava
Well now vaporizes settling with plasma the only good pilots are covenant pilots
Never see them crash do you
hasty locust
🤔
versed helm
Yes i have
hasty locust
No... I don’t think I will
versed helm
Realtalk though, it's important to remember than when you're playing as a Spartan or an ODST, you're having it out in some of the most destructive and brutal battles of the entire Human-Covenant War.
It's not just Pelicans that have a low survival rate.
It's... basically everything around you.
hasty locust
Indeed
hasty locust
That’s everything in sci fi
versed helm
The pilots are connected to the pelican
It dies, they die too
hasty locust
“Oh crash landing, pilots dead”
hasty locust
And a doctor
versed helm
And that.
Except she cant pull a trigger
And also valiant to a fault.
Lmao, it's pretty easy for a bunch of nerds to sit around and go "oh, she should've just shot Johnson"
I mean for one, the dude's in full combat armour, it needed to be the head.
Its not like he was moving
For two, they're good friends and comrades. Every instinct she has is screaming at her not to do it.
She's clearly just a phenomenally good person.
hasty locust
Also! She can’t coordinate ground engagements for poop
versed helm
"To war"
versed helm
I think the context there is pretty obvious.
A rally point is a fallback point.
She's saying that retreat is more or less not an option.
Youre screwed no matter where you go
Right.
hasty locust
So she’d rather throw her men into a meat grinder
versed helm
Dude, the meat grinder came to them.
hasty locust
And that didn’t seem the case
hasty locust
They got quite a few out
stoic hamlet
I still think her having no pilots makes no sense
versed helm
Ok i gotta do some HW bye
They got, like, the ones out that Chief and Arbiter were basically able to walk out by hand.
hasty locust
Discover hope shows us it takes two pilots to open a door
But that’s probably a different model
versed helm
I assume the reason she did not make any escape route a rally point
Was to prevent tactical congestion
If a squad needed to pull back, it could arrange it on an individual basis
stoic hamlet
Also her being in a Pelican instead of with her frigate makes no real sense.
But I’d argue it’s even worse in H2.
versed helm
The UNSC has some slightly memey Naval traditions.
The first one is exposed bridges.
hasty locust
Why was she commanding a ground operation anywho
versed helm
The second one is that the CO of a ship frequently leads her crew in disembarked operations.
Clearly, the UNSC has a tendency to promote near-suicidal bravery in its officers.
That's what we should be trying to rationalize.
stoic hamlet
The first one seemingly is an actual tradition based off early space vessels.
The second is just really only a Keyes thing.
Even Jacob Keyes didn’t lead ground ops. Not unless he had to.
versed helm
Well, in muh short story I'm writing, I address it like this - the Commander officer of a Halberd-class destroyer assigned to a wolfpack, lacking a marine compliment, leads her crew aboard an effectively knocked-out heavy cruiser herself.
hasty locust
Rip everyone on the autumn
versed helm
Since her people aren't combat troops, she feels obligated to not ask them to do anything she wouldn't do.
hasty locust
Fan fiction ?
versed helm
I think if you characterize the Keyes family as holding an extreme version of that kind of mindset
Miranda's behaviour can be rationalized
And yeah, fanfiction, but I meant it more as an indication of how I conceptualize things
Like, look at the way ODSTs function
hasty locust
Is lasky a better captain then firstkey I mean keyes
terse lava
Well
versed helm
Their highest ranking officers accelerate ahead of the rest of their formation during a drop
terse lava
One is flood, the other not
versed helm
You may say "that makes sense for Helljumpers because they're crazy"
But I think ODSTs are the most likely elements of all the UNSC to be pragmatic.
hasty locust
That’s cool, I wouldn’t mind giving it a read once you’re done
versed helm
Hey, thanks man. Appreciate it. We'll have to see how it turns out.
hasty locust
Are all ODST 105th or just the ones in the autumn
versed helm
Nah.
ODST appears to not refer to any unit
But a broad spectrum of often fundamentally different units with an ODST rating
Who are armed and armoured to a higher standard than other UNSC units and qualified to operate HEVs.
hasty locust
Also at the point of CE ODST didn’t have any special armor right, it doesn’t seem that way in first strike, the flood etc
versed helm
I mean, the 105th are a force recon unit
Then you've got a space assault battalion
Then you've got the bullfrogs, who appear to specialize in jump-jet tactics
hasty locust
I want more of the bullfrogs
versed helm
Same man
hasty locust
I got all my bullfrogs out alive
versed helm
Imagine if you could upgrade ODSTs with jump packs in Halo Wars
hasty locust
Yeah, that’d be sick
remote spruce
Hellbringers are the crazy ones, Helljumpers are sane minus the part where the pods burn up
hasty locust
Hellbringers seem kinda inefficient
You Shoot the gas canister and the whole platoon is ash
versed helm
Well, flamethrower fuel doesn't actually work that way.
Contrary to popular belief, shooting a flamethrower's gas tank shouldn't ignite the payload.
astral dust
What type of ammo does a MA5D take?
hasty locust
Oh awesome
versed helm
The fuel needs to undergo a process in the handheld bit, which I think might've just been exposure to an open flame (which a bullet shouldn't cause) but in the case of the UNSC
Ought to be chemically activated
hasty locust
But wouldn’t the heat of the plasma ignite it?
versed helm
@astral dust That is a bag of worms.
hasty locust
Lol
versed helm
Alright, so, the bullet that comes out the barrel of an MA5 is 7.62x51mm.
remote spruce
oh no part 544
versed helm
But for the magazine to work, it can't actually be a 7.62x51 NATO cartridge.
So presumably it's a proprietary UNSC 7.62x51 cartridge that uses the 7.62 NATO bullet.
versed helm
Mhm.
Doesn't help that the rounds are designated M118.
In real life, the M118 is a long-range 7.62 cartridge that was used by marksmen in, like, Vietnam.
M118LR, it was called.
In Halo, they fire M118 FMJ-AP - FMJ-AP appears to mean that they just have a specially hardened jacket.
astral dust
Gonna have to make a well worded letter to the UNSC Bullet Manufacturers
versed helm
As opposed to, like, a penetrator core, as you might expect with modern ammo.
In real life, FMJ does amplify a round's ability to penetrate hard targets, but it's not actually intended to do that.
It actually just improves the performance of the round in the barrel, reducing wear on the gun and increasing muzzle velocity.
astral dust
Hmm, the more you know.
versed helm
The UNSC seems to have adapted the principle of the FMJ into a specially-constructed round that's more durable.