You can compare great schism a bit but remember. Comparaisons aren’t 1:1 perfect
#lore-and-universe
fair hazel
quiet umbra
so yeah long story short you could more or less excise CE from the canon and imo covenant civil war would still happen
IF Regret still botches his invasion and gets killed for his troubles
the ongoing war of attrition with humanity was making the Sangheili council extremely unhappy
fair hazel
Um, unyielding hierophant
quiet umbra
as they could no longer justify such a costly war
fair hazel
Costly as in?
quiet umbra
to their fleets, their manpower, just attrition in general
humans put up over 10 times the fight expected from them
gilded mason
Did they talk about it becoming too expensive anywhere?
fair hazel
I feel like you’re underestimating the covenants resource.
quiet umbra
the Human-Covenant war in a sense was like the covenant's vietnam
fair hazel
Without events of CE, I doubt humanity would have survived
quiet umbra
They said the humans were heretics against the forerunners and their very existence is an affront to the great journey
being the backbone of the covenant military, the elites now know the humans inside and out as is necesary to defeat them in a war of extermination
fair hazel
Unyielding hierophant doesn’t get destroyed. Fleet comes in, probably sooner than regret. Wipes most of humans, ark gets accessed sooner.
quiet umbra
these so called heretics as the elites would come to understand largely don't even know the forerunners exist
less than one in a million humans even knows about them, how could they be heretics?
and they're putting up decades worth of a fight
fair hazel
The flood likely don’t hijack the in amber clad so maybe they are contained?
quiet umbra
so the Sangheili council starts having serious reservations about the war
fair hazel
CE évents played big role. So don’t think so about not affecting things.
quiet umbra
04's destruction helped destabilize the rapidly deteriorating covenant bureaucracy
fair hazel
Forerunner stuff was to an extent common knowledge at one point.
quiet umbra
the covenant's leadership as of halo 1 is starting to come apart at the seams
then their sacred ring is blown up by a species previously viewed as comically inferior
....then they kill a hierarch
fair hazel
Not yet. Also key crucial events make the timing of events delay and important assets.
gilded mason
the covenant's leadership as of halo 1 is starting to come apart at the seams
I dunno if I'd phrase it that dramatically
quiet umbra
I mean they were literally a month or two away from a civil war
fair hazel
CE leads to reach. Which leads to unyielding hierophant.
quiet umbra
what would you call the period of time 2 months before all out civil war? growing pains?
fair hazel
The changing of the guard was a super important break for the civil war.
gilded mason
Though only Truth knew that civil war was coming. Everyone else thought it was divisive politics as usual.
quiet umbra
sure
fair hazel
You take out CE events, you affect the timeline in so many ways.
quiet umbra
but yeah I would use "coming apart at the seams" tbh
fair hazel
No onyx tech.
Blue team doesn’t delay covenant on earth as much.
Just do much. No doctor Halsey being alive. Full night of the fleet from unyielding hierophant.
quiet umbra
Less than a year after reach the covenant would be irreparably shattered, these were not prosperous times
fair hazel
Humanity would have been through. Halos might have been activated by then.
And I’m not sure we can say timeline for sure.
Too many variables.
stoic peak
The the Mark V[B] was being used since 2551 so why didnt chief ever use that and then upgrade to the final version in 2552, all of Nobel Team had Mark 5 while Chief was still using Mark 4, so i was wondering what the deal is with Mark 5.
I am starting to think everything in Reach are more prototypes, testing beds for the final version that Chief, Blue Team and the rest of the Spartan II's would upgrade to, which is why Nobel was using them and maybe Grey Team
lilac oasis
Yes reach was prototypes
Tho i am curious y he uses mrk 4 and not 1 unless they came up with 3-4 designs b4 the covenant came
versed helm
Also Mark V[B] is “Privatized”
lilac oasis
From the book it kinda sounded like they were in a hurry iirc.
versed helm
In Fall of Reach they get introduced to The armor when theyre like 15 or something
And its during a covenant attack
But Spartan 1s mightve used 2-3
terse lava
I would say another thing people often overlook is the society of the covenant at the time. The covenant had been going through an age of doubt before finding humanity. The generation that took part in the war had already been lacking faith. Doesn't come as a terrible shock that they began questioning the war and the journey itself later when humanity was refused covenant admittance.
solemn void
If the UNSC Infinity is considered the most powerful modern capital ship in the navy, what was the strongest during the time of the Human-Covenant War?
versed helm
Likely the UNSC Navy's supercarriers, namely the Punic class
About the toughest UNSC ship there was, but they suffered from Pacific War IJN syndrome
The UNSC kept their most elite and experienced crews aboard
Naturally, this means that there's nobody left to train the replacements when the supercarrier gets gutted by an energy projector
stoic peak
I think at the end of the war it would have been the Pillar Of Autumn, as it was upgraded with all the latest tech
versed helm
It would be a contender, it's certainly better than the Marathon
So good the UNSC built an entire class of POA copies to replace the Marathon
inner basin
Only difference with those “copies” is that they also feature energy-shielding. But they were given the name Autumn-Class due to how impactful/instrumental the Autumn was in the war
solemn void
So, Pillar of Autumn as well as the Autumn-class and the Punic-class ships?
versed helm
Ye
lilac oasis
Im really surprised how little of the covenant tech was used in the unsc ships. I would totally hav thought they would have learned from the debris floating around after battles (especially since there has been known traitors that probably could hav helped speed up the process)
Given how long since the first contact with cov was ago
carmine sleet
@solemn void Autumn class ships are post war
light igloo
humanity did learn
that's the reason they won
they even used to take shields from kig yar before mjolinr had functional shields
carmine sleet
I'd say the Covenant starting a civil war helped allot more than humanity learning how to create new tech
light igloo
war always helps further science
autumn was a modified halcyon class cruiser, but post war, autumn became a class of it's own
after the performance of PoA at the battle for reach
carmine sleet
Yes, but the Covenant fracturing wasn't something that the UNSC could've known was going to happen and without the Elites, humanity would've been wiped out
gilded mason
Yup
inner basin
I think what helped speed up the process of the Covenant’s Civil War was the actions of the UNSC, specifically 117 and those that assisted him
safe siren
Yes, they basically helped each-other.
terse lava
Humanity didnt even win the war. Why do people keep thinking that? They survived, difference there. If anyone "won" it was the sangheili who did what they set out to do. Halt the covenant who betrayed them and kill truth
stoic hamlet
I mean
Technically humanity did win because they survived. It was a war for survival
lilac oasis
Anyone know what level of technology the humans were at b4 the halos went off?
gilded mason
During the Forerunner-Human War, low Tier 1.
lilac oasis
I know the forerunners put hints in the dna, but mayb they were ahead of the current humans
Low teir 1? As in sticks and stones?
gilded mason
As in Forerunner-lite
They had some stuff on the level of Forerunners, some things worse
safe siren
Tiers are 5 -4 -3 -2 -1 -0 with 0 being the Precursors
lilac oasis
Ohh that seems neat any references of their tech?
gilded mason
Though they also apparently reverse-engineered a lot of Forerunner stuff to get there so who knows what'd they be without Forerunner help
lilac oasis
Also what would current humans b at? T2 or t3?
gilded mason
Current humanity in the 2550s is Tier 3
lilac oasis
Ahh i see
How about the covenant? Or were they separated into their own races then n only united after halo?
gilded mason
Ancient San'Shyuum were also Tier 1-ish, I think
lilac oasis
B4 and after?
gilded mason
Before the firing. All the others were lower as well
San'Shyuum and humans were allies back then
lilac oasis
I see. Any other races on the level of forerunners?
gilded mason
Not to my knowledge
lilac oasis
Woulda been neat to see a war of 2 species at forerunners level
safe siren
Different races had different tiers.
Brutes and Grunts were Tier 6, Industrial
Yanme'e and Jackal were Tier 4, Space Age
Lekgolo and UNSC were Tier 3, Space-Faring
Covenant reached Tier 2
gilded mason
That is after the firing, to clarify
safe siren
Oh, yes
gilded mason
(Though humanity is not Tier 2 currently)
safe siren
Oh right, my bad
versed helm
𝕳𝖚𝖒𝖆𝖓𝖎𝖙𝖞 𝖎𝖘 𝖆𝖈𝖙𝖚𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖞 𝕿𝖎𝖊𝖗 3 𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙 𝖓𝖔𝖜
lilac oasis
Hmm i wonder y they (forerunners)never uploaded themselves b4 the fireing. Given how many drones like guilty spark survived the war and the fact that humans can do it in black boxes
safe siren
They feel guilty for their actions
gilded mason
Because they felt they didn't deserve it
lilac oasis
They woke the hive n didnt create it, y would they b guilty? Or am i missing something?
gilded mason
Say again?
safe siren
Well, they didn't found any alternative for fighting the flood, they had to sterilize the Galaxy. That was what they felt guilty for
lilac oasis
U would think there would b more like the diadec who didnt really care
The 1 from halo 5
gilded mason
There is no Didact in Halo 5.
lilac oasis
4 mayb?
quiet umbra
it's really dumb that the didact dies in a book and not halo 4 tbh
gilded mason
That would the the Ur-Didact, the original.
it's really dumb that the didact dies in a book and not halo 4 tbh```
Well, he ain't really deadTheres others?
gilded mason
But yeah, that Escalation arc was silly
unique rune
It's dumb that most of Halo 4's unresolved plot points were quietly offed in auxiliary media.
quiet umbra
ikr
gilded mason
Theres others?
One other. The IsoDidact.
lilac oasis
What he/she do?
quiet umbra
they had all these avenues in halo 5 and didn't pursue a single one
gilded mason
His real name is Bornstellar, but he was granted the Ur-Didact's form and memories
quiet umbra
and then Juul Mdama LOL
gilded mason
Poor Jul.
quiet umbra
I was shocked that they would kill off their biggest villain like it was nothing
I mean he's no Heath Ledger Joker but c'mon
gilded mason
A whole lotta potential, wasted in an instant.
quiet umbra
and why
well the writer was a hack thats why
whats his name
Brian Reed
what a terrible writer
unique rune
I mean. I wouldn't place all the blame on him, since these kinds of things are team efforts. Whatever went on behind the scenes resulted in a mess.
gilded mason
Yeah
quiet umbra
No I've read his work I'm extremely comfortable saying he's a hack
regardless of who helped him
the dude writes avengers comics for a day job
the new ones
who reads comic books anymore? exactly
gilded mason
🤔
unique rune
I do
just not those ones
gilded mason
Same lol
quiet umbra
biggest problem right now imo is an overabundance of characters and plot threads
and Brian Reed would just drop them in a heartbeat if he didnn't think they were going anywhere
Jul is the perfect example of this
random cradle
Yes halo 4 was not the greatest story in the aspect of tiring up loose ends at the end of the story
But probably because vanguard games where more focused on the games and you didn’t have to read the books to get most of it while 343 did a 180 from that
humble yacht
Brian Reed did not write halo 4
stoic hamlet
Black team @quiet umbra Black Team is a perfect example of this.
quiet umbra
Halo 4 is actually a stellar end to the Forerunner trilogy if you read the books
but thats the thing- who did
stoic hamlet
I did
quiet umbra
Thats like 50 people tops!
stoic hamlet
That’s not really 343’s fault though
They assumed the fan base was actually invested in the universe
quiet umbra
that is absolutely their fault, they should've known better
most fans never read any EU material
quiet umbra
that goes for every big franchise
stoic hamlet
That’s fair I suppose
They should have just explained things more, had an in-game codex or something
quiet umbra
^
humble yacht
Halo 4 could have explained certain things a bit more, but it was not completely without some background
stoic hamlet
That way, all the people who don’t actually care can’t cry foul about the info “not being in the game”.
quiet umbra
It shouldn't require the book trilogy to make the story good though
humble yacht
As someone who did not read Greg bear’s books, I never found myself lost in halo 4
quiet umbra
I'm not saying it's bad- I don't believe that
but 343 treats EU like required reading
and the EU is not citizen kane if you get what I'm saying
some of it is fantastic
carmine sleet
I don't think anyone was saying it's Citizen Kane
humble yacht
I also don't think the EU has ever been treated as required reading in a 343 Halo
versed helm
In Halo 5 if you didnt read some novels, play previous halo games and spartan ops, and you were just a casual player who didnt read on the EU, you wouldnt really understand much of What was going on.
gilded mason
Even if you did read them, you'd be confused
versed helm
Pretty much
humble yacht
having knowledge of previous halo games is a reasonable expectation so I don't fault them for that
clever fable
It's a frequent shot at 5 that I never really got, because even having read the books I still wasn't enjoying it all too much.
humble yacht
that being said, it's not like there was much EU stuff between 4 and 5 that actually led into 5
it's not like 5 continued any plot lines from Escalation or Spartan Ops
spartan ops to me isn't even EU, since it was free DLC included with H4
versed helm
Especially with Jul
stoic hamlet
Small rant:
If you’re a casual you shouldn’t expect a game’s story with a wide Expanded Universe to cater to you.
People have invested time and money keeping up with the universe, little Timmy shouldn’t throw a hissy fit when he hops into the campaign with no background knowledge because he doesn’t understand.
versed helm
Sure, but What about new players?, and true it didnt continue the Story set up by spartan ops but it did contain some of the characters from spartan ops, for example, if you didnt play spartan ops you wouldnt know why halsey is missing an arm.
humble yacht
yeah but if you played H4, why wouldn't you play Spartan Ops?
stoic hamlet
New players shouldn’t expect to understand Halo 4 or 5 either.
unique rune
no XBL Gold was why I never played it originally
versed helm
Then they shouldnt attract new players into the Story then?
stoic hamlet
If I started watching a show in its third season, I’d be confused to.
But I don’t rant about it not making sense. That’s on me.
versed helm
Even then youd expect the third season of that show to try and draw in a new audience, thats What many shows and games are always trying to do...
humble yacht
sequels shouldn't be faulted for assuming at least a rudimentary understanding of preceding events
stoic hamlet
I’m not saying that.
I’m just saying people who have no idea what’s going on because they either haven’t paid attention or are new shouldn’t expect to understand everything.
343 could have had a better system in place to help those people, yes.
But that those people are confused isn’t the games or movies or whatever’s fault
humble yacht
that being said, 343 has heard the complaints and will try to make infinite a good place for new players as well as old
we'll see how well that turns out
I mean, Halo sequels have never been particularly good entry places
clever fable
Maybe they'll throw in a Codex too while they're setting Infinite up.
versed helm
Which is the good part, atleast infinite wont try to rely on Comics and novels to tell its Story.
humble yacht
H2 neglects to tell you how Chief got back to Earth, how Johnson survived, and then just throws Covenant leadership in your face with no warning
then kills 2/3 leaders in one game
guess they weren't all that important
H3 doesn't explain how Miranda and Johnson make it back to Earth before Chief
clever fable
H3 just wants you to accept that High Charity gets to the Ark with no explanation too.
stoic hamlet
Reminder H2 and 3 aren’t great at story telling either, lol
humble yacht
True enough, It's not obvious how HC gets to the Ark
one would assume from the game that it used the portal, but nope
versed helm
If we were to go by that logic then CE was a horrible starting point, because it didnt explain how the pillar of autumn arrived at Installation 04 and What the covenant are, and What Master Chief is... Those halo games were trying to lure in a new audience, im not saying a sequel shouldnt continue the Story the last game set up, im saying that it shouldnt rely on multiple comic books and novels to atleast know What events lead to the current plot, with H2 it starts off telling the player of What happened from the perspective of the covenant, H3 wasnt throwing in Multiple characters at you Right out the get go, with H5 you had to read quite alot to even understand the plot, which is why I like that infinite isnt going to go that route.
humble yacht
Halo Reach introduced a whole new class of Spartans, which was a surprise to anyone who didn't read Ghosts of Onyx. Players who had not read Fall of Reach novel had no expectations on what that period of time was like so that was one way the game didn't require EU knowledge. But at the same time, it didn't really introduce Halsey in a meaningful way that would explain her importance to players who were not familiar with the EU
what EU material did you have to read to understand what was going on in H5?
unique rune
5 doesn't really have any required reading, though?
The plot makes just as little sense if you do read/watch any of the ancillary media.
I say this as someone who read/watched most of it.
versed helm
Yet with Reach's Story you didnt have to read novels to understand it since it was a new story
clever fable
Going to double down on the "Read the books, still didn't get or enjoy 5" camp myself.
gilded mason
The plot makes just as little sense if you do read/watch any of the ancillary media.
Eyup
unique rune
"it doesn't make sense without EU stuff" is just code for "I didn't like the story and I don't want to think about it" at this point
humble yacht
The only EU material I read before H5 was Escalation, and H5 didn't continue with any of those plot points
there isn't any EU material I can think of that sets up H5 beforehand
tbf, even H4 doesn't set up H5 all that well, but that's besides the point
safe siren
Books are required only if you want more information about Blue Team/Osiris
unique rune
You miss out on some character backstory that's pretty much entirely unimportant to Halo 5 without the EU material.
humble yacht
"required" is a stretch
Halo has long thrown new characters at players with little background
safe siren
Hell, in CE the player is in the middle of a war without any knowledge about it
humble yacht
As with any initial work of a franchise, In CE the player/viewer is thrown into a world that has a lot of established background that we don't understand. The media gives us what we need to understand about the world as we progress
even Harry Potter does that. it's not like you need the whole history of wizards and witches to understand HP
so trying to argue that CE is a terrible starting point just seems like a strawman
safe siren
Nono, my bad, i meant that reading books before CE and 5 is the same thing, it's a bonus, but you don't NEED them
humble yacht
oh
safe siren
Yeah, i worded it poorly
humble yacht
well someone else tried to argue that CE was a bad starting place
or rather, as a counterpoint to what I was saying, but no work of fiction that starts a larger story across multiple installments gives you everything about the universe up front, so that's moot
but you look at halo 2, and trying to start the halo franchise there becomes difficult
you pretty much need to play CE to understand h2
same with going from h2 to h3, and h3 to h4
safe siren
And then 5 goes to it's own, kinda
wintry pollen
Petition to start each game with "Last time on Halo..."
safe siren
It worked for ODST
humble yacht
kind of. playing halo 4 helps understand H5 but unfortunately, it's not quite the logical follow from H4 to H5
versed helm
Im hoping you didnt actually think I was seriously saying CE was a bad starting point, I was trying to argue against the whole Halo 2/3 are bad because they dont explain previous events in Halo's, with H5 you need previous media to know all of the characters, and EVEN then they barely behave the way they behave in previous media, with H2 it atleast tried to explain What happened in CE...
humble yacht
that being said, there is not EU material that sets up H5 any better than H4
wintry pollen
Not yet
unique rune
Man. Imagine if Halo games just opened with a not-Spaceballs style text scroll...
clever fable
I don't think people are necessarily saying they're bad, just that the particular criticisms you or others levy against 5, like that you need other materials to understand it, don't hold up well when contrasted against prior games doing the same.
unique rune
Actually wait, Spaceballs does one of those too, doesn't it
humble yacht
H2 has a very brief recap of some events of CE, but barely. They show the ring shattering, but if someone starts halo at Halo 2, they might not understand what that means when they see that scene
clever fable
The point they're making is that you don't need outside materials to understand 5, but that if you want to go down that road, you'd need outside materials to understand the other games in their entirety as well.
5's story is a mess, but you get its gist the same as the previous titles. Like those previous titles, there are small, unecessary elements that can be expanded on outside the game itself.
humble yacht
I would say that H4 was more a culprit of having "required reading" than H5, because I can't think of any EU material that sets up the main issues of H5 (before the game came out, obviously)
wintry pollen
Halo will always be a universe greater than the games and that's what's great about it, I can continue learning about the universe even after completing the games. All of the questions unanswered by the games are tied up in the eu
humble yacht
people like to argue that the Forerunner trilogy was required to understand the Didact. I personally disagree as I did not read those novels but understood enough about his motivations from the terminals in game
safe siren
I think that the Kilo-5 trilogy was more useful for Halo 4, especially for the new Covenant
clever fable
I think the trilogy certainly does a better job of setting him up, but it's not surprising that multiple novels would come across better than terminals.
versed helm
With H5 you need previous media to actually care about the characters because of how dull and boring they are in H5, and Hunt the truth tried to set up the Story for H5, but when the game came out it barely held up.
humble yacht
honestly when I first saw the "new" covenant, I just thought they were Covenant who hadn't heard the war was over
like the American civil war, some fighting kept going even after the south officially surrendered
see, Jcrrz, this is more about you and your feelings towards 5 than an actual "need" of EU material to understand the story
wintry pollen
As long as you watch the librarian cutscene h4 makes sense
clever fable
HtT is kinda a whole separate bag of shenanigans. You don't need the outside materials to care about 5's characters, but 5 doesn't do a good job of characterizing people, or progressing their characters regardless.
humble yacht
People say that about Noble Team in Halo Reach but I liked them just fine
and they didn't even have the benefit of optional EU material backing them up
you couldn't learn more about them if you had wanted to
wintry pollen
Tbh I didn't really like del rio's character
unique rune
Well, yeah, you're intentionally supposed to not like him in H4.
safe siren
He is the classic "rulebook" character, in bad and good ways
clever fable
The one thing I remember most about him was that cutscene's animation not really flowing too well- the one where he ends up shouting at Chief.
It's like his jaw gets stuck.
humble yacht
it was the first halo to use facial capture
versed helm
Ive seen people who share my "feelings" towards H5 as well, to atleast know the characters or even care about them you'll have to read Comics and novels.
Since the game does a poor job of actually making them behave like... Themselves.
humble yacht
the only two characters who are really important to H5 are Chief and Locke
everyone else is background as far as the game is concerned
even blue team
clever fable
JusticeForLinda
humble yacht
of course, if you didn't read the books, you wouldn't feel biased towards blue team to begin with
they'd just be other spartan-IIs who know the chief
versed helm
Atleast the game couldve tried to make us like those characters if we Never read previous media.
versed helm
Al Right then, why do you like Blue team on H5 or any character for that matter.
humble yacht
does Osiris get any more or less background in game compared to Alpha Nine in ODST? no
yet people fawn over Alpha Nine all the time
safe siren
Buck want to buy a bar.
That's enough for me
wintry pollen
I killed buck in reach checkmate
versed helm
No but it made us like those characters, something which H5 didnt do.
Alot of them dont even have much of a personality
humble yacht
yeah but that to me just seems like a "you" issue more than a game issue
unique rune
I'd agree on the account that Halo 5 doesn't really do much with its characters to make them feel likeable, but I don't think Reach did a very good job of that either.
And yet people love Noble for whatever reason.
humble yacht
I look at how ODST characterizes Alpha Nine and how H5 characterizes Fireteam Osiris and see little different in the formula
clever fable
I'd say it's both, but that doesn't really help the "requisite media" criticism stick much still.
humble yacht
the only difference comes down to the characters themselves
humble yacht
liking a sarcastic ODST sniper over a brainy Sangheili enthusiast is down to the person, not to the writing
clever fable
It's no secret that 5's cast is cramped, and the dialogue is bad, but its inability to sell the audience on its characters doesn't necessitate outside media. It's just a bad script.
safe siren
The characters in Reach were made just for you to feel a sense of attachment to them, only because they had to die.
And it doesn't even work that well
quiet umbra
I agree with that subjectively about media in Halo 5
unique rune
I got it from Jorge. The rest were kinda.
Eh.
They just sorta existed.
quiet umbra
If Halo Reach can create a likeable cast in Noble team when Halo 5 can't create a single likeable character even when they're from the EU
it's 5
versed helm
I dont think you are quite getting my point, atleast give the characters a personality, something that we could get attached to or make us hate them, just dont make them dull and boring.
hasty locust
I wish carter got a better death
quiet umbra
I had every reason to like Olympia Vale but still didn't
Kat for the most part? no lore
hasty locust
We just pop in and he’s dying, like woot
quiet umbra
still like Kat more
clever fable
They had a personality, they just were written poorly.
quiet umbra
it's just fundamentally better writing idk
humble yacht
I look at fireteam Osiris and see about as much personality in 3/4 of them as I saw in Alpha Nine in ODST
hasty locust
Well to me Osiris was all kinda doing their own thing they didn’t seem to have a connection with each other, whereas with noble you’ve got the Jorge and Emile banter etc
humble yacht
one thing I'll actually give H5 over ODST is that all of alpha nine acted very similar
hasty locust
That’s just me though
humble yacht
snippy, sarcastic, a little crass
at least osiris had some variety in their limited characterization
clever fable
Noble team benefits quite a bit from that cutscene prior to the assault on the saber facility. They actively establish a longer history there, something they don't do for Osiris.
humble yacht
blue team of course were just a bunch of pseudo Chiefs
hasty locust
And they shouldn’t be
humble yacht
only if you are familiar with EU material
quiet umbra
Chief is borderline a silent protagonist
hasty locust
Spartans were trained to be efficient, to the point death machines
so them just saying small lines that get their point through make sense
quiet umbra
which is why Spartan 4's are subconciously viewed as fake spartans
humble yacht
yeah but it doesn't make for very interesting characters
quiet umbra
also no war crimes lol
hasty locust
Yeah
quiet umbra
no war crimes = not a real spartan sorry thems the rules
humble yacht
what did Blue Team have going for them in Halo 5 other than their pedigree? nothing, really
safe siren
A particular that i liked in Halo 5 is the defensive stance of Linda in the first encounter with the Warden
clever fable
Interesting characters in the books maybe, harder to sell them in games imo.
hasty locust
I don’t see spartan Iv as fake Spartans but like 70% spartan, cause the whole name spartan is cause there were a few of them, very elite and trained from a young age
safe siren
It's nothing, but it means a lot for who know their relationship
humble yacht
it's not like the greek citystate of Sparta had a lack of warriors
literally every male of age was a soldier
quiet umbra
There were tons and tons of spartan 3's tho
safe siren
Spartan IV are a successful version of the first program. More Spartan than this is impossible
quiet umbra
they're considered authentic
hasty locust
True, but it’s not like many people lived in Sparta
clever fable
Clearly it's just a conspiracy by ONI to get their toy line of Spartan IV's big enough to turn them big profits. 💸
quiet umbra
spartan 1's arent spartans
humble yacht
Sparta was like the second largest greek state
quiet umbra
it was the orion program
humble yacht
after Athens
hasty locust
Back then there weren’t many people
safe siren
The Spartan Project is basically Orion 2.0
hasty locust
But anyway, let’s just void that last point
Do we know any other Orion’s beside Johnson? That were like important
humble yacht
Sure, being trained in battle from childhood was def a reason why the Spartan name was attached to the program
safe siren
There was a theory about.. burke? It was him?
humble yacht
but after awhile, Spartan became synonomous with the term "supersoldier"
hasty locust
I have a feeling that one uninfected guy in the library is
humble yacht
why? because he was uninfected?
safe siren
Byrne!
hasty locust
Cause he was able to get that far in the library without throwing his controller across the room
humble yacht
the idea that Project Orion members were resistant/immune to flood was retconned by Joe Staten
safe siren
That probably was just a way to explain the presence of health packs in the middle of an alien structure
hasty locust
I wonder why they didn’t infect him though
humble yacht
maybe he fought them off like Johnson did
clever fable
Dude was carrying enough supplies to break a horse.
versed helm
They arent immune but their genetics Take the flood a little bit more to infect...
humble yacht
that wasn't laziness on the flood's part
safe siren
A fate worse than death, indeed
hasty locust
Yeah it lost efficiency hence, it was lazy
humble yacht
😐
versed helm
Im pretty sure thats a joke
humble yacht
a mindless flesh popcorn has no concept of laziness
hasty locust
He should’ve laid back on the pizza when he was in his prime
hasty locust
True
humble yacht
can't argue against that. A Gravemind does have the capacity to be lazy
hasty locust
Speaking of, a keymind used to be like a flood converted planet right, so is there still something like that just not called key minds?
safe siren
Key minds are still Giant graveminds, but also Mini-mobile-proto-gravemind.
hasty locust
Doesn’t the Phoenix log say it’s just any coordinated flood intelligence?
gilded mason
Think so, yeah
terse lava
Yep
safe siren
mmm.
Grim said something about that. gmam
humble yacht
yeah
hasty locust
Here comes the elite boys XD
humble yacht
another silly retcon
terse lava
Goes from juggernaut, to abomination, to protogravemind, to gravemind
humble yacht
"keyminds allow there to be pure forms where previously a gravemind was required, hurr durr durr!"
hasty locust
I don’t get the purpose of retcons like that
terse lava
Agreed chim, hate that retcon
hasty locust
Just come up with a new name
safe siren
They can just say "this is the name the translation used, the real name is...."
terse lava
Really it would have been best to just come up with a new name like settling suggested
humble yacht
I still shake my fist at Greg Bear and how he changed the flood
terse lava
How so? Do you mean from them going to Crazy ancient alien precursor stuff?
humble yacht
yes
terse lava
Or the fact that they literally used unkillable items to win
humble yacht
I preferred the flood when it was just a misunderstood organism trying to survive in the universe
like, you don't call cordyceps evil for infecting an ant colony
clever fable
I mean I do, but that's just cus I'm rooting for the ants.
humble yacht
the flood was basically just space cordyceps
now it's literally an angry revenge plot
safe siren
Cordyceps do not use prophets as muppets tho, as i know
clever fable
with magic
hasty locust
Trad, lol
safe siren
Space magic+
safe siren
What, did i miss something?
humble yacht
I made a joke based on your typo but you edited it so it doesn't make sense
safe siren
ohh, got it
humble yacht
but then the filter prevented me from providing context anyway
humble yacht
rules apply to all
safe siren
This is good
terse lava
I wouldn't call the flood misunderstood in the old lore really
humble yacht
misunderstood in the sense that the victims didn't understand why the flood was doing what it was doing
versed helm
The flood was dog food at one point
humble yacht
they viewed it as evil but it was really just growing and surviving based on its biology
yes, dog food flood was Greg Bear's contribution to their lore
this was after Halo 3
i'm talking about pre-Bear flood
versed helm
Dog food flood must have been very healthy
tired river
I mean would cordyceps make giant super intelligent monsters that know poetry?
versed helm
Indeed it wss
safe siren
It's the cycle of life.
You start as dog food, you end as a galaxy threat parasite
hasty locust
Lol
humble yacht
you start out getting eaten, then you end up eating everything
terse lava
Besides, the flood even. Before were Cleary not neutral
clever fable
new galaxy
humble yacht
I mean, I'd argue the flood was neutral in pre-bear settings
safe siren
I think they would have a way to create sane biomass to infect
hasty locust
After they eat the multiverse, they can’t do much else
versed helm
Thats the floods history, started as dog food and became a parasitic organism that almost took control of the galaxy.
humble yacht
everything it did was for the sake of its own survival
hasty locust
That would be super terrifying
terse lava
@humble yachtbut he tortured cortana
hasty locust
Flood breeding pods where they just stick animals and aliens and people and wait to see which one makes them more dinner
humble yacht
sure, the flood held some animosity towards forerunners and by extension humans but tbf, the forerunners did try to kill them forever
can't really hold that against the flood for carrying that anger
but sure, torturing cortana to get info on earth was a little evil
clever fable
just a little
humble yacht
but that's different than being born for the explicit purpose of getting revenge on an entire species and ultimately all life in the universe
hasty locust
Hey if you were stranded in the middle of know where with barely any food and you had someone trapped who knew where the closest wal mart was, you’d torture them too
clever fable
tomatoe tamatoe
versed helm
Are the other galaxies in Halo relevant?, like andromeda?
humble yacht
relevant? no
safe siren
it's not like they were born for it, it just happened, iirc it wasn't suppose to degradate
humble yacht
they exist and perhaps hold things like more flood or old forerunners
versed helm
All we know is precursors escaped to other galaxies and thats it Right?
humble yacht
but they're not relevant to the current story
clever fable
satellite galaxies were semi-relevant, outside of Bornstellar's last moments, the others aren't relevant at all.
humble yacht
maybe some precursors escaped, it's unclear
hasty locust
Has anyone in modern halo tried to go to one
safe siren
Only Path Ketona was relevant, the Large Magellanic Cloud
versed helm
Maybe the "Meddlers" worship the Precursors and despise the Milky way and its inhabitants because of its history with them?
hasty locust
Do you think holidays and old companies like wal mart still exist? Probably not
safe siren
It's the furthest we went with the Precursor-Forerunner war
versed helm
Idk I just want some intergalactic invasion lol
hasty locust
Ha
humble yacht
I’m sure there is some singular mega Corp in current halo that monopolizes everything
But it’s not Walmart
XD
hasty locust
I think I know what you mean
terse lava
Its ultra walmart
hasty locust
Just imagine if Walmart became an 3mpire
versed helm
Isnt it already?
humble yacht
It’s probably umbrella
versed helm
It shall last a thousand years
hasty locust
But what do you think about holidays?
humble yacht
Maybe Weyland Yutani
versed helm
It better have discounts
safe siren
Do we know if there are still groups that worship the Flood?
hasty locust
And last quick question of the day, do covenant species now live on earth
versed helm
Meddlers maybe 👀
humble yacht
No I doubt any ex covies live on earth
hasty locust
Seems a little xenophobic to me
safe siren
In the Spartan Ops they didn't say something about Elites on earth?
safe siren
It says Rio
humble yacht
Well do the elites let humans live on Sanghelios?
hasty locust
Well there’s humans on sanghelios i’d bet
humble yacht
I doubt it
safe siren
humble yacht
Not living there permanently
hasty locust
Look at war zone, they have at least 4 color cooordinated bases
They let vale live with them on a ship or something
safe siren
And philliss was on Sangheilos for a while
versed helm
In warzone im pretty sure thats just a simulation arena and not an actual training Installation
hasty locust
There’s gotta be some kind of embassy or base just in case one tries to betray the other
hasty locust
Yeah jcrrz probably
safe siren
Simulation, yes, but based on real location
hasty locust
The temple thingy probably
Wasn’t there also a special sanghelios map on war zone assault
versed helm
I always thought the locations werent actually real but based off of a Real location if that makes sense
hasty locust
What happened to war zone assault anywho ☹️
versed helm
That could explain why we see elites in multiplayer lore wise
safe siren
it appeared only on Halo Online
hasty locust
Im guessing that’s where helioskrull was made or at least tested
safe siren
Halo 1-2-3-Reach multy wasn't canon, so i guess it's not really part of the lore
humble yacht
#downwithdinos
gilded mason
We know the Infinity has 24 SoS Elites onboard, which is the maximum player size of a single match, funnily enough. 😋
safe siren
#GoWithBrutes
carmine sleet
They retconned it so that the multiplayers of the older games are canon @safe siren
hasty locust
#meteortime
safe siren
They did?
Good!
versed helm
Dinos > Greeny Meanies
hasty locust
Awesome possum
humble yacht
#saynotoelites
gilded mason
Why must you say hurtful things, Chimera?
versed helm
#cancelspartans
gilded mason
You are making me cry, you see. I am very sad now.
safe siren
#OnlyGruntsInMulty
versed helm
#SpartansAreChildren
safe siren
#TecnicallyTheTruth
versed helm
#ThatIsCorrect
hasty locust
#MultiMarines
humble yacht
#truthknewtheeliteswerebadnews
hasty locust
#marinestraintoo
safe siren
#I'mGonnaGo.'Night
Having Promethean Soldiers in multi would be cool tho
versed helm
#DinoLivesMatter
gilded mason
Bannin' you, Chimera!
hasty locust
#ifpeoplewantoclamberandsprintmarinesdothatallthetime
humble yacht
#blowuphesduros
gilded mason
Hm.
versed helm
#IAgreeWithThatStatement
humble yacht
See y’all are fake elite fans
versed helm
#SangheliosIsBetterThanHesduros
gilded mason
wow rude
hasty locust
#idontunderstandhalfthesethingsanymore
gilded mason
#hashtag
humble yacht
You only care about elites that fit your personal definition of beauty
versed helm
#HesdurosIsWhereTheUglyOnesLive
gilded mason
Because I think with my libido like any civilized person. 😏
hasty locust
#OhSoThatsWhatHeSaid
versed helm
#HesdurosElitesAreTraitors
hasty locust
I thought he was talking about duros from st4r wars for some reason
humble yacht
#dinoplayersarefake
versed helm
#GreenBeanPlayersArePhonies
hasty locust
#playablejackalswhen
gilded mason
Hey, I'd play as a malformed 4/5 Elite if it was the only one available
humble yacht
If you can’t play a Dino at its worst, you don’t deserve a Dino at its best
versed helm
#ButAreTheyReallyDinos?
humble yacht
Yes
hasty locust
#aretheyevenreptiles?
humble yacht
Yes they are
hasty locust
Oh I don’t think so
versed helm
#DoTheyEvenLayEggs
humble yacht
Theyre every bit as Dino as halo 3 elites
hasty locust
How come they didn’t die of cold on the arc and every other snowy bits
versed helm
#DoTheyCareAboutLayingEggs
hasty locust
Wouldn’t their cold Dino blood be screwed
versed helm
#AreTheyEvenColdBlooded?
humble yacht
Power armor helps
hasty locust
I don’t remember seeing a uv and heat lamp above their heads
gilded mason
Chimera, no...!
versed helm
They look like deformed crocodiles
hasty locust
MAYBE THATS WHY THE GLASSING BEAM IS SO CLOSE TO THE CREW QUATERS
The lizards need their heat
Are grunts just crabs?
Like cmon
hasty locust
Imagine an elite with a pet bearded dragon
humble yacht
Ever notice that arbiter is weaker in snow areas?
hasty locust
That would be a cool mechanic for a stealth game
gilded mason
Chimera, your mind is going. :'(
hasty locust
Like shooting out the Armors heating system and watch them die
hasty locust
But yeah I didn’t think they were reptiles
More like odd mammals
Or maybe even amphibians
Heck, maybe birds
terse lava
I leave for a few minutes, and return to sangheili bashing
humble yacht
Their purple blood suggests low oxygen enrichment so maybe they don’t need high metabolisms
versed helm
Funny enough Sangheili cant see the color purple
terse lava
@versed helmuntrue
hasty locust
So their ships are just invisible?
humble yacht
That’s because the play never made it to Sanghelios
versed helm
Some cant 👀
hasty locust
Dude, that’s unfair they just make their cover purple and they can see the enemy while hiding
Wait
versed helm
They'll see a shade of Blue though
hasty locust
Their cover is purple
terse lava
Sangheili can see purple just fine
gilded mason
Yeah
hasty locust
Do purple elites think they are stealth elites cause the other elites can see through them?
gilded mason
That was just a twitter joke
hasty locust
I’m sure there are some colourblind ones out their that can’t
terse lava
@gilded masonreminds me, what was the example you had to debunk it?
gilded mason
what was the example you had to debunk it?
Say again?
versed helm
Because
hasty locust
If they don’t have any eyepiece or visor
humble yacht
They dodge ghosts often enough, they see purple fine
hasty locust
Do they wear eyes over their eyes?
versed helm
Yes
hasty locust
I knew it
terse lava
I recall a while back, when nthis topic came up, you had an example of something in covenant and sangheili culture to disprove the blue blood thing
hasty locust
Everything in the covenant is purple?
versed helm
I know Sangheili arent color blind, it was a joke. OR IS IT? 👀
hasty locust
Ore
terse lava
Purple was a popular color for sangheili, San shyuum too
humble yacht
Cause they be pimpin
terse lava
Like that brute
hasty locust
The covenant are actually just a super advanced version of the saints
versed helm
They're the medieval catholics
hasty locust
?
terse lava
Makes sense
celest palm
I have
hasty locust
Yay
versed helm
What ever happened to saints row v?
hasty locust
So you did get the joke
celest palm
It just disappeared.
versed helm
Indeed
hasty locust
I have achieved C O M E D Y
terse lava
Congratz
hasty locust
Anywho, back to Dino discrimination
terse lava
Heresy
versed helm
𝓒𝓸𝓶𝓮𝓭𝔂 𝓽𝓲𝓶𝓮
terse lava
Always.found the halo 3 feet rather odd
versed helm
Only dinos I discriminate are the Hesduros dinos
terse lava
They curve rather then being a normal hoof
versed helm
Though H3 dinos are fat
hasty locust
I think you spend too much time looking at sangheli feet m8
terse lava
this was when the game first came.out
Halo 1 and 2 had consistently
Then halo 3....
hasty locust
So you got the new highly anticipated sequel to halo 2 and the first thing you did, was look at sangheli feet?
terse lava
Well I did think they looked odd
quiet umbra
elites have never not had weird feet
terse lava
Heretics and thel had normal ones. Then everyone else.had this odd ones
hasty locust
Heretics?
terse lava
Feon halo 2
terse lava
No no, thought you shifted to h2A
hasty locust
I guess we could if you want
versed helm
The journey is a lie
hasty locust
Why would they make different sangheli have different feet?
terse lava
But original halo 3 released? Heck no unplayed alongside them just fine
versed helm
H2A elite feet are small
versed helm
Those feet are too big
terse lava
@versed helmagreed
versed helm
But id rather have small feet over Big and ugly feet
terse lava
But only sangheili ones
gilded mason
They do
terse lava
Anyway, I wonder, had the geest journey been real, would that be good for humanity?
terse lava
Yes they lay eggs, won't t lie, took getting used to that
hasty locust
When was that revealed?
terse lava
And why wouldn't it? Humanity would have all the tech they want
The egg thing? A comic
Bloodlines.i believe
versed helm
Sangheili egg omellete
terse lava
A character comments he and his brother were from the same clutch or something along those lines
versed helm
It would probably taste like an ostrich egg
terse lava
Will pass
versed helm
Cant blame ya
hasty locust
Yummy
hasty locust
Is that an elitus (word that represents preform babies)
Surprised that’s filtered
So is that like an ultrasound of an egg?
hasty locust
Is that just fan art?
versed helm
Yes
hasty locust
Lol
versed helm
I like elitus better
versed helm
Oh...
hasty locust
And I don’t think what we got in legends is true
versed helm
Dont look it up lol
versed helm
You'll regret it if you keep scrolling down
hasty locust
Same reason I didn’t wanna look up elite baby
Dude, you seriously can’t look up female anything without seeing someone’s twisted creation
quiet umbra
women aren't real dude stop making things up
hasty locust
Looks much better then we we got in legends
hasty locust
Also, the other guy is one of those prophet warriors right?
versed helm
Ye
terse lava
What?
hasty locust
I don’t know what autocorrect smoked today
terse lava
Other guy, fal? Haka?
versed helm
I think hes talking about the prelate
versed helm
Prelate I think
hasty locust
I think that’s right
versed helm
Ye those are San shyuum warriors
hasty locust
Yeah
versed helm
I think they're also augmented
hasty locust
Yeah sounds familiar
terse lava
Oh that
versed helm
Ye one of them appears in the book shadow of intent
hasty locust
Elites are actually sick
terse lava
Yea they prelates were augmented san shyuum that were on par with high ranking sangheili and human demons
hasty locust
I still call them “zee-lots” just cause
Sometimes though
Do we know much sangheli dialect?
versed helm
We have an alphabet
versed helm
Nope
terse lava
"Wort" as far as I know never met "go." That's just the word bungie used to make "wort"
hasty locust
Halopedia begs to differ
terse lava
🤨
versed helm
I always assumed it meant go
terse lava
I see the page
hasty locust
Or this pedia does https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Covenant_languages
I always mix up my pedias
Oh that was close it almost autocorrected to... something else
terse lava
That is them saying "go" because that's what it came from. Johnson saying "go go go" was changed to sound like " wort wort wort"
hasty locust
Yeah
versed helm
U is lucky
hasty locust
But which go go go
versed helm
Ur auto correct didnt mess up lol
hasty locust
Cause he says it in truth and reconciliation and 343 guilty spark I think
gilded mason
“Wort wort wort!” the Sangheili shouted, feet thudding as they leapt for safety. She knew what that meant, but her brain was too fuzzy to translate after exerting the energy it took to steady herself and throw the grenade.
hasty locust
Even though it wasn’t him in truth and reconciliation wasn’t it
gilded mason
Context makes sound like Wort probably means something close to "go!"
hasty locust
Yeah
tired river
You mean stacker?
versed helm
I wouldnt remember if it was in the book tbh
terse lava
@gilded masonbut what of the bishop saying "wort" before being shot. That context, from what I know seemed to imply shock
versed helm
Its been so long
hasty locust
I remember him just saying “wait there” and getting Keyes and dipping out of the spirit
Also in the book like 30-50 marines were sent to get keyes
Whereas in the gam should get like 5
gilded mason
but what of the bishop saying "wort" before being shot. That context, from what I know seemed to imply shock
I always thought of that one as simply the writer putting that in to be "funny"
Like, "He said the phrase, guys!"
versed helm
Elites in infinite better say wort
hasty locust
Yeah
I know they nodded to it in 3
If you have the IWHBYD skull on and stare at one, he says “what did you expect me to say wort wort wort”
terse lava
Maybe I guess
versed helm
In H2 one of them Calls arby an ahol
hasty locust
Lol really?
hasty locust
Ha
versed helm
One of them even Calls him cute
hasty locust
Yeah elites will make the same kind of comments in h3 with iwhbyd on
versed helm
Another one asks him if he does foot massages
hasty locust
Lol
I know if you stare at elites they’ll say like “I don’t like you like that!” And that kind of stuff
If you look through the things they can say it’s pretty funny
I think one says “are you undressing me in your head”
But that might’ve been a marine
hasty locust
Ha
Like I wonder if they had WW2 like movies with hood as a hitler level evil character
gilded mason
Probably
terse lava
Mean, while its obviously for the player, truth does say, this demon, this..master chief"
hasty locust
Do elites play video games on their offtime?
gilded mason
Top trash talkers in the Orion Arm, son
hasty locust
Ha
hasty locust
SOMEONE MUST HAVE CRACKED YOUR EGG
hasty locust
I’ve gtg
gilded mason
Sure they can yell into the mic loudly, but would the words burn in your mind for days afterward?
gilded mason
Nah, but it wouldn't earn them the coveted top spot.
terse lava
Hm touche you have a point, and, to be honest
If sangheili got thr top tech game wise
Brutes would get something like atari
....or pong
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
Maybe a lucky brute cub out there owns the covie version of that 1970s E.T game
Or...was It 1980s...
Either way, almost makes you feel bad for them
Wonder what passes for covenant cartoons. There an unggoy version of bugs bunny?
light igloo
As far as canon is concerned, humans only managed to destroy one covenant world, right? (pre schism)
terse lava
Only 2 I think, one by accident, a nova bomb on a megacarrier, though it didnt shatter the planet below. The other by grey team on purpose
gilded mason
That was after the Schism
terse lava
Yes
gilded mason
(He asked for before)
terse lava
But they are the only known covenant worlds I think that suffered from humans
Yea I know he asked that, but kinda counted xytan as his was during the opening hours of the schism
sharp adder
no they are often rased i coomon rooms as they call then but rarley by there true fther nomally by unles to show that they are all equal
hasty locust
That doesn’t seem to make sense cause family seems to be a strong point with elites cause of rtas’s “on the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons” or it could just be a family name honour thing
fair hazel
none of the aliens would be fairly categerozed in earth based categries
hasty locust
Yeah we were talking about that earlier
The closest is more then likely reptile, was the conclusion
terse lava
Pretty much
hollow meadow
Bold of you to assume Brutes would have game consoles at all and not just physical activity like brutal sports and gladiator fights
Also in Sangheili society, all Sangheili never know the identity of their fathers. This is to encourage meritocracy among children to not feel doomed or privileged by their father's legacy. Mothers are often the highest authority in any keep (much like in Jewish families) and the father figure of any family would be the uncle
sharp adder
thta is true
gilded mason
Also in Sangheili society, all Sangheili never know the identity of their fathers.
Mainly in Sanghelios cultures
Sangheili colonies tend not to do that
hollow meadow
That's a fair point
Usually when colonies become fairly isolated from the societal pressures of their homeland, they tend to develop different standards
Much like a species of animal being isolated from it's main population evolving differently over time
feral perch
They were certainly zealous.
terse lava
I have not seen them show any
terse lava
Though find it odd that they were not aware of the covenant been torn apart, yet went with going after the didact rather then the rings. Did I miss something in the kilo books?
sharp adder
they went for the didact ebcase tehy now new the rings were a aeapon that would kill them all
lament crag
Whaaaaats the deal with beta red?
hollow meadow
They beta males compared to the alpha chads that are Blue Team. =P
hasty locust
Lol
terse lava
Who themselves are the B team next to Thel, Ntho, and Usze
astral dust
Are Spartans as tall outside their armor as they are inside?
astral dust
Ok, understood.
fair hazel
no trev. no
i know we went ot sanghelios but i want to be there again in maybe more locations, but it was nice, but also i want to see more colonies
golden belfry
The colours represent rank/status
and the fact that most covenant can just go invisible means that camo isnt needed
plus the ones for spec ops are already in grays/black
unique rune
To be fair it'd be nigh-impossible to tell the difference between them in gameplay if they all had grey armor.
sharp adder
its actully cool i found out i forgot whee that grunts and hunters ahve a relly good frienship betee than grunts and brutes
golden belfry
in lore, its a cultural thing about standing and status
in game its so you can see the tougher enemies easier
sharp adder
imaeh cloked hunters and scarabs
golden belfry
yeah but in game isnt really a good representation of the lore
Gold is shiny and shiny = power
so yeah
sharp adder
yes i just am terrble at spelling
golden belfry
Remember that all elites are meant to be able to cloak at a moments notice
aka just like in halo 2
Some versions have Active camouflage built in and others have flashlights.
hmm
so its either done by harness or rank
but remember theres that minor that has a full cloak in 'day at the beach'
unique rune
I'm... fairly certain that's intended to be a Special Operations Sangheili.
golden belfry
Its in basic minor colours and orders a basic squad around
what gives you that impression?
I assumed it was just a normal minor doing the rounds and looking for humans to stab
unique rune
Armor color looks closer to Special Operations purple than it does Minor cobalt blue to me.
Kig-Yar Snipers also don't particularly give off the impression of a standard infantry team.
gilded mason
He's blue in the classic graphics as well
unique rune
Halopedia says it's Special Operations despite the blue armor.
Not sure where that's from...
I always assumed it was meant to be SpecOps for some arbitrary reason.
golden belfry
hm
either way, to answer the og question, armour colour is ceremonial and for status not actual war
I think we can all agree with that
unique rune
In the end it's all in service of gameplay
gilded mason
Should we tag CIA and ask why the Day at the Beach page is so sure he's SpecOps?
golden belfry
Probably
unique rune
Might be worth a shot
gilded mason
@obsidian thistle
"Why is the Another Day at the Beach Halopedia page is so sure the Elite featured is SpecOps?"
"A Zealot? ...So much for a stealthy advance."
golden belfry
beyond thel isnt it rare for gold elites to be even seen in combat?
yeah but like
when he was a commander
I remember Lock says hes special in that "he leads ground forces"
so the implication is that most elites of equivalent rank dont do that
this is before hes the arbiter
theres a difference?
unique rune
As far as in-game ranks go, not really?
Visually as long as you specify the game it's pretty clear which Sangheili rank you're talking about.
Gold/yellow for CE/2 = Zealot
Reach = General
4/5 = Warrior
golden belfry
The highest-ranking military personnel employed by the Covenant among their groundside forces,[3] this rank has only been observed during the Fall of Reach. They have a heavy amount of shields and an incredible amount of health. Identification: Golden/Orange armor.
So wait, are the gold (or yellow) elites not generals in ce and 2?
in which case what rank do they represent?
unique rune
Zealots