lore-and-universe

[versed helm]

What the yoink was that?

[gilded mason]

The whole point in the book was that he didn't know his own strength and hadn't realized the strikes would be so deadly, right? But in the animation...

[inner basin]

He was like an animal. He just kept punching that one ODST repeatedly in the face, as if he wanted to kill him

[celest palm]

Didn't they start it and a Sargent or someone like that escalate it?

[versed helm]

By the Sacred Rings,he nearly hits one of them with a weight bar

Did they screw up the coin toss scene?

[inner basin]

Yeah. John waits for it to land instead of grabbing it out of the air, which he did to emphasise that he makes his own luck

[versed helm]

And the title was a LIE!

It didn't even show the Fall of Reach at all

[inner basin]

Pretty much, yeah. Easily one of the worst animations imo

[versed helm]

Tbh,i think the Halo series needs more horror elements added to it

[inner basin]

Flood Horror. Need I say anymore?

Put us in a grounded perspective of being a Marine trying to stealthily evade the Flood in a Halo setting

Either a Marine or ODST. They could do a ODST-Flood horror hybrid so people can get that ODST craving whilst having a Flood horror game

[versed helm]

Imagine if New Mombasa actually fell to the Flood

[inner basin]

Luckily the Elites came because that ship broke quarantine

[versed helm]

But what if they didn't glass Voi

[inner basin]

Or because of Cortana. I can’t remember the reason why they came to Earth, but it’s for one reason or the other

[celest palm]

They got the cords from Cortana. Most went to the ark instead of earth I think.

[inner basin]

I’m talking about the Flood ship that crash landed on Floodgate

Not High Charity

[celest palm]

Cortana.

[fair hazel]

rookie died. its okay

[gilded mason]

We're a bit past that, Erick

[inner basin]

lol

[versed helm]

What if the Andromeda Galaxy fell to the Flood?

[celest palm]

A very big problem for everyone, if a Galaxy fell they would have more then a few Key Minds.

[versed helm]

I mean,it could be possible that some distant galaxies fell to the Flood given the Flood's extragalactic origins

[inner basin]

I’m pretty sure the Flood originated in our galaxy, particularly since the Precursor’s corrupted dust was fed to pets of Ancient Humanity

[celest palm]

I think during the Forrunner Flood war some left the Galaxy before or after the Firing of the Halos. Not sure if they came back or just broke Forrunner containment, like 05.

[inner basin]

The ones outside of the galaxy, as far as we know have really done nothing or we know nothing about what they’ve done. I think it is safe to say they have not been fed to pets.

[celest palm]

Lol

[versed helm]

Or if those Precursors that didn't turn themselves into powder survived or not

[celest palm]

Isn't the Primordial an infected Precursor?

[versed helm]

Wait,i just remembered another screw up that the Fall of Reach animated series did

How they depicted going into Cryo

IIRC,wasn't the only way to enter a cryo chamber is to go in naked?

[inner basin]

Yes as otherwise you’re at risk of freezer burn

[versed helm]

Oh yeah,they also ruined the King of the Hill game

In the series,they also used the Orion 2 name for some ridiculous reason

And the FOR animated series said that some of the kids died during training

Am i missing anything?

[stoic hamlet]

Armour D:

The ODST fight

I don’t think we’ll ever see a canon accurate Cryo sequence, not an official one anyways (though there is fan art)

343 likely don’t want to add “nudity” to the ratings.

(Which is dumb, imo, but I’m not in charge of their PR department, so....)

[versed helm]

i mean forward unto dawn

we see that.. sort of

[stoic hamlet]

They weren’t nude

Same with HW, both 1 and 2.

[versed helm]

eternal just wants that lmao

[stoic hamlet]

Lol

But it can be done tastefully.

Just don’t make it inherently sexual.

[versed helm]

they could just cut to a different camera angle of their face when they go nude

[stoic hamlet]

I don’t think a bunch of nude people throwing up would turn on the vast amount of people

That too, yeah

[versed helm]

Wait,do the Covenant even have an equivalent of the cryo pods?

[keen canopy]

They travel through slipspace a lot faster

So they're less important

I'm not actually sure if they have them or not though.

[inner basin]

Covenant also did have a longer life span than humans too I believe. Well at least the Elites did anyways

[true shadow]

anyone have an actual concreate answer on how long the average sangheili life span is?

[gilded mason]

All we know is that it's some unknown number above 200

[true shadow]

thel is in his 80s am i right?

[gilded mason]

As of 2561, he's 76

[true shadow]

ahh so i was close

considering the average human lifespan as of today is around 80 and the elites can live upwards of 200 that means that in theory thel isn't even middle aged yet

or maybe just below it

[gilded mason]

Yup

And Nizat himself was still as fit as a fiddle

[true shadow]

wasn't n'tho in the time of halo 3 one of the younger elites?

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[true shadow]

i wonder what classifies as young to an elite

[sharp adder]

Probably 20-80

[rigid current]

I got a question about I Love Bees

Did all of that take place during Halo 1?

I know it starts before Reach falls

and ends when the Covenant invade Earth

So that's from August 30th, to October 20th

So yeah, Halo CE was coinciding with ILoveBees

[noble fjord]

How many ODST's do UNSC ships have on them? more than once in the games we see ODST Drop Pods on frigates and it begs the question. Does every Frigate have a few ODST's with it? (Considering I doubt standard Marines would be thrown in them)

Tag me if you respond so I can find the responses the next morning

[storm fjord]

Isnt chief just a sack of frozen meat in a super technologically advanced suit? With augmentations to his body

[terse lava]

...what? Hes an augmented human being

[carmine sleet]

He's not a sack of frozen meat

[still ibex]

its not like hes just some random fella they nabbed and upgraded he went through intense training before any of the augmentations and the suit

[safe siren]

Trained since 6, upgraded at 14 and fighting since then

[narrow heath]

Dang that man is trying to get hate

[terse lava]

Not really, was more puzzled then anything on his comment

[storm fjord]

Yeah basically a sack of meat

[carmine sleet]

He's only as much a sack of meat as the rest of us

[narrow heath]

Lmao

[storm fjord]

But hes a special sack of meat

[versed helm]

No bro if he was a sack of meat, he wouldn't have any lines in any of the Halo games

No "Finishing this fight", no "I think we're just getting started", no "Wake me when you need me"

[storm fjord]

Hes a special sack of meat with a mouth

[hasty locust]

He isn’t a sack of meat

More like a can of meat

[true shadow]

he's Our can of meat

[storm fjord]

Is is the universe's special can of meat

[stoic hamlet]

That’s not really the case

Well, it’s a bit too simplified

[still ibex]

ODSTs are fast food

[stoic hamlet]

ORIONS were still incredibly proficient soldiers before their augmentations, and they had no special suits.

Oh wait we aren’t being serious here

Nvm then

[hasty locust]

Then what are IV’s

Leftovers?

[storm fjord]

Master chief is a spartan 3

[hasty locust]

No he’s a II

[storm fjord]

He is?

I thought the only person I knew was sgt johnson

[carmine sleet]

Chief is a Spartan-II. Johnson was an Orion-I, which was later renamed Spartan-I

[hasty locust]

Yes

[storm fjord]

Oh?

[hasty locust]

Noble team are 3’s

Except Jorge

[storm fjord]

What about spartan 4s

[hasty locust]

Osiris

[carmine sleet]

There's a whole bunch

[hasty locust]

Majestic and crimson

[carmine sleet]

Castle

Jack Knife

[hasty locust]

Palmer and Davis

[storm fjord]

Castle dead

[carmine sleet]

They were still a team of S-IVs

[hasty locust]

The desk jockey spartan guy

[storm fjord]

What about jerome

[hasty locust]

II

Aswell as Douglas and Alice

[carmine sleet]

Aye, but allot younger than other S-IIs biologically thanks to being in cryo for so long

Chronologically, they are the same age as the rest though

[hasty locust]

Indeed

[storm fjord]

But they gonna get freezer burnt then they just freezer burnt meat

[carmine sleet]

Halo's Cryo works differently to real world cryo

[storm fjord]

But still they so cold tho

[hasty locust]

Did the SoF have advanced cryro systems or did the “clothes burns you in cryro” from “the flood” retconned

Cause I thought we saw cutter with his uniform on in cryro

[carmine sleet]

The clothes thing is not seen in games and other visual Halo media as it would bump up the rating if they did show anyone without clothes coming out of a cryo pod

[hasty locust]

Yeah, thought that was probably the reason

[storm fjord]

How they gonna fight when they been sleeping so long they just woke up shouldnt they be like I ain't getting up

[hasty locust]

Umm

No

[carmine sleet]

Cryo sleep isn't the same as normal sleep and Spartan-IIs, more often than not, would rather be fighting than sitting around and doing nothing

[umbral citrus]

coming out of cryo in an emergency would be a lot more hectic

[carmine sleet]

Plus, HW2 would be over very quickly if Red Team just didn't get out of their Cryo Pods

[umbral citrus]

not even in underpants and you've gotta get your weapons because guess what the evil lizards with plasma guns have boarded

[carmine sleet]

I'm now just imagining Chief at the start of CE just going "I don't wanna leave my Cryo Pod, I want more sleep"

[hasty locust]

Lol

[umbral citrus]

"master chief, put some pants on and get the covenant off my station"

[hasty locust]

But the fall of reach does describe waking from cryro as a lot less pleasant then how we see it go down in hw2

With like vitamin paste stuck in your lungs

[fair hazel]

There’s a chemical that gets injected so cells don’t freeze etc.

Like explode expand

Also cryo isn’t quite like sleep. dreams occur during the waking up stages of cryo.

[noble fjord]

How are brute chieftains like Tarturus selected

[storm fjord]

They fight like gorillas, no just kidding I'm actually wondering that myself

[storm fjord]

Yes they are warriors

But they no smart

[terse lava]

They vs each other for pack leader. Dont like how the chieftain has been ruling? Challenge hin to a deathmatch

[versed helm]

Is it possible that other galaxies might've fallen to the Flood?

Given their extragalactic origins

[safe siren]

It may be possible, but we don't even know if there is life out there

[versed helm]

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't it say that the Precursors seeded countless galaxies,including ours with life over the course of unknown eons?

[humble yacht]

Yeah but that doesn’t mean those galaxies still have life in them

They could have failed after a time and then the precursors just moved on to a new experiment

[safe siren]

I guess the Great Barrier is a thing, even in the Halo Universe

[gilded mason]

What does that video have to do with lore?

Forgot that even actor names are censored, so I can't even say your name.

[carmine sleet]

I honestly don't get what x1o1Adamx thinks posting random videos is going to do

[last anchor]

Get attention for a tiny youtube channel?

[gilded mason]

It's HiddenXperia. So...

And off-topic

[carmine sleet]

Aye, its always HiddenXperia and HaloFollower that they link to. I honestly don't get it

[storm fjord]

Maybe they are trying to prove their worth

I know but you know these type of people trying to prove their dominance

[carmine sleet]

Why... Why would they be trying to prove their dominance?

Posting a link hardly proves they have power

[humble yacht]

What link? 😉

[gilded mason]

👍

[carmine sleet]

Ah, yes! I see no link here. Only fellow lore people talking lore

[gilded mason]

I think he's a bot

[gaunt oak]

Warning ID: 3163
Successfully warned @sleek star
Reason: spam

[sleek star]

im A REAL PERSON @gilded mason 😮

[storm fjord]

Hes more than a bot

[carmine sleet]

I don't think we need to talk about them. I say we talk about something else, like Hard Sound Rifles

[storm fjord]

Wtf is that

Like gamma guns or something

[humble yacht]

It’s hard light but with sound

Duh

[storm fjord]

Oh

[humble yacht]

I’m joshing you

[gilded mason]

All I know of those is that they're massively overpowered in the really oddly balanced Halo Mythic PnP game

[storm fjord]

Oh again

Let's talk about 343 guilty spark XD

[gilded mason]

he cute

[carmine sleet]

I prefer Exeburant Witness. She didn't try to laser face us

[gilded mason]

That's just him showing he cares

[humble yacht]

Yeah well try to destroy her installation and see if she remains nice

[carmine sleet]

Chimera no

[gilded mason]

Chimera yes

[carmine sleet]

Ostral, don't encourage him

[gilded mason]

lol

[storm fjord]

I want to see

[feral perch]

Unacceptable, unacceptable

[storm fjord]

Wut?

[carmine sleet]

Absolutely unacceptable!

[humble yacht]

Let out all her captured specimens

I bet that will get her riled up

[hasty locust]

That wouldn’t be very nice

I’d call her parents

[carmine sleet]

She was just trying to catch them all

[hasty locust]

That’ll show her

[feral perch]

Chimera are you abusing Exuberant Waifu?

[humble yacht]

I’m changing a lightbulb

[carmine sleet]

Did you just call her waifu?

[storm fjord]

Who

I'm so confused XD

[humble yacht]

If you were going to introduce pizza to sangheili culture, what style would you present: New York, Chicago, or Detroit?

[gilded mason]

Hm

I don't know the difference, so I'll say Chicago

[storm fjord]

New York cause it looks like them

[humble yacht]

Floppy and thin?

[storm fjord]

Ermmm yeah lol emotionally

I dont know why I'm acting so awkward rn

[hasty locust]

Lol

[still ibex]

i reckon if you introduced hawaiian pizza theyd start glassing colonies again

[keen canopy]

the absolute state

of lore chat 😦

[terse lava]

What in the world have I missed?

[gilded mason]

||Pizza time||

[terse lava]

And I wasn't told?

[carmine sleet]

All the pizza has pineapple on top

Which, honestly, I'm craving pineapple on pizza right now

[terse lava]

Prefer without but have had it on, not bad

I wonder if the covenant have a pizza Equivalent

[wicked pasture]

alien italians

[terse lava]

Brute hutt, home of the double thorn beast lovers pizza

[umbral citrus]

most awkward part of peacetime, the initial efforts at accommodating the diets of covenant species at diplomatic talks

[terse lava]

Those poor chefs

[keen canopy]

should've called Master Chef

[terse lava]

"I need a ladle"

Sous chef johnson: "right this way"

[umbral citrus]

i think it’s sous because french

they do the cooking and also the striking and smoking of the cigarettes

[terse lava]

Fixed

[rigid current]

I wonder if any members of the covenant races have integrated themselves into UEG society

Like, a gas station being owned by a few Unggoy

[rigid current]

Also, I wonder how common clean/renewable energy is in the Halo Universe. I know things like fusion power is common-place, and that windmills were common on Reach, but what about on Earth?

[terse lava]

Earth likely had many, as it would be a test bed for other worlds

[rigid current]

I mean I feel like renewable energy is REQUIRED for colonizing other worlds

[terse lava]

One would think

[potent cargo]

My mantle I have missed alot

[storm fjord]

Yes you have

[potent cargo]

Let's start off by a good debate

[storm fjord]

In general chat?

[potent cargo]

here

[storm fjord]

I dont think a debate about real life wars belong here tbh

[potent cargo]

Would you rather face the flood while being a human with the unsc and with the chief or with the swords of sanghelios with the arbiter?

and i deleted that message

[storm fjord]

Well I still think it belongs I general because we arent really discussing things that are lore related

[remote spruce]

the Elitez because at least there are some shields

[storm fjord]

Well you could easily hop on chief's back and ride into the sunset

[versed helm]

So what's everyone's opinion on Forward Unto Dawn and Nightfall?

[terse lava]

A sangheili withbtge swords and arbiter, far better chance of living

[gilded mason]

SoS is my vote as well

[supple salmon]

I’d go with Sangheili because well- I believe the covenant had more experience and better utensils to fight the flood

[terse lava]

Yep

With humanity, you get one guy with plot armor

[versed helm]

Can the Promethean robots be infected with the Logic Plague?

[terse lava]

Doubt it, as that was the point of their creation

[versed helm]

True

So,how would the Ur-Didact come back

[terse lava]

Some type of digital being likely

Like the warden...

Lousy warden

Not a bit of lore in him

[versed helm]

I'd rather have the Ur-Didact be the main villain for H5 instead of Cortana

Where did the Warden Eternal come from?

[terse lava]

Precursors

Sadly nothing is really known on the warden or his origins

[storm fjord]

Forward unto dawn had the worst acting I've ever seen

[terse lava]

Nonsense, the mgalekgolo did just fine

[versed helm]

And John's armor in FOD looked ugly

Why do i suddenly have the feeling that Lasky is gonna die in some future media?

[terse lava]

Eh

[storm fjord]

Nightfall was ok I mean it gave you some pretty sick armor for a beginner and I mean it somewhat made Locke a more likeable character but I still hate osiris

[terse lava]

Think there are original covenant systems out there that kept out of the civil war?

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[terse lava]

With how large the covenant has, there has to be

[cunning wave]

so
I wanna get this right
the forerunners created halo to destroy all life in the galaxy to prevent the flood from ruling over
and had samples of every species to repopulate after the halo's were fired.
but the flood came back anyway because they were safe inside forerunner made capsules that were protected from halo's fire???

[humble yacht]

The forerunners didn’t have samples of every species

They didn’t manage to save every race

[cunning wave]

How

come

they didn't include

their own species

[humble yacht]

Please don’t post like that

They didn’t reseed forerunners because they felt they didn’t deserve it

[cunning wave]

alright

but how come the flood still made it

[humble yacht]

The flood originally came from outside the galaxy. Flood were left on the halos for continued study in case more flood came from outside the galaxy again

[cunning wave]

So they kept flood on halo to study them

they didn't think that would be a bad idea

[gilded mason]

I guess they assumed the Monitors wouldn't screw anything up

[terse lava]

Many did think that, but the librarian went with it

[cunning wave]

sounds like their goal was very convoluted

[terse lava]

Forerunners wern't the best at that

[humble yacht]

It’s the same reason the worst diseases in the world are studied today

[terse lava]

True, small pox was eradicated but kept around in labs

[cunning wave]

I wouldn't compare the flood to a disease

they're galaxy level threats

if you are willing to kill everyone just to eradicate it then you should PROBABLy go all the way

[terse lava]

And what if more flood arrived from outside the galaxy?

[cunning wave]

Did they know that?

[storm fjord]

Activate dem rings

[humble yacht]

It’s why they wanted to continue Learning more about the flood

Knowledge is the best weapon

[cunning wave]

yet they kill themselves before learning everything they could

[humble yacht]

It was a last resort

[storm fjord]

Would you want to go through all that pain?

[cunning wave]

of research?

I mean it's not fun but I ain't gonna suicide

[humble yacht]

Well it wasn’t exactly suicide

The forerunners who fired the rings didn’t die from it

[storm fjord]

Your also making it harder for your team

1+ of them -1 for you

[cunning wave]

don't get it

so basically

you wanna research the flood to find out everything you can

but decide to die with your people instead

but leave the flood inside to survive the halo

???

[humble yacht]

At the time the rings were fired, there wasn’t time to continue research

Circumstances were too dire

[storm fjord]

It was a time to eradicate all of the flood

[humble yacht]

It was either fire the rings and reseed the galaxy, or everything dies forever

[cunning wave]

well knowing they had teleport technology

I'm sure they could have opened all flood containment before the halo fired

[humble yacht]

That wouldn’t really have done anything

[cunning wave]

it would have killed the flood

[humble yacht]

No, because the halo effect doesn’t hurt anything on the rings themselves

It just gives them a headache

Also the halo effect doesn’t kill flood spores

Just higher flood forms

[storm fjord]

Like graveminds

[humble yacht]

And combat forms

[cunning wave]

lmao so they purposely brought an alien foe inside a protected area within a super weapon specifically designed to kill that foe.

wtf is wrong with them

[humble yacht]

Same reason modern day humans lock up smallpox and Ebola in BL4 labs

[cunning wave]

bro it is not at all the same

[storm fjord]

Honestly halo should add a wave based mode for flood in custom games for halo infinite which is basically infection but with more A.I

[humble yacht]

You lock up the dangerous thing where it can be studied and set protocol to keep it contained

[cunning wave]

and they chose contained besides obliterated

not much logic

[humble yacht]

It’s logical if the goal is to study the danger to develop better measures against it for future generations

[cunning wave]

and see how that worked out

didn't even give us a heads up

[humble yacht]

Besides, it wasn’t humanity that broke out the flood

It was the covenant

[cunning wave]

wouldn't be much difference I imagine

[humble yacht]

The covenant were meddlers. They weren’t supposed to be messing with forerunner stuff in the first place

[cunning wave]

well it was their religion to use their technology

[humble yacht]

Also you’re missing the biggest point of all

[storm fjord]

[terse lava]

Wait...pretty sure humanity goofed there, they let the flood out

[humble yacht]

If the forerunners has not saved flood specimens then the halo games wouldn’t exist

Nah the covenant let them out

[terse lava]

Originally, but they resealed it

[cunning wave]

@terse lava covenant found it first, let some out, locked it back up, then we came and opened it again. so it's everyone's fault

[storm fjord]

Well they did it first

[cunning wave]

@humble yacht that point just means it's bad writing if they can't explain it logically

[humble yacht]

Tell it Bungie.

[terse lava]

With alpha halo yes, but delta was fully humanity's fault. They gave the flood a full blown frigate

[cunning wave]

so in conclusion

bungie wrote bad lore

the end

[humble yacht]

Delta halo’s outbreak was centuries old

[storm fjord]

In conclusion bungie was thinking differently

[humble yacht]

In conclusion, it’s fiction and isn’t meant to be taken too seriously

[terse lava]

Centuries old yes, but contained to the quarantine zone

True, bungie had problems putting stuff in stone

[cunning wave]

nono

it's science fiction

[humble yacht]

Humanity only showed up at delta halo because of the covenant anyway

So it’s still the covie’s fault

[cunning wave]

it's bungies

bungie created the flood

they are the true enemy

[humble yacht]

K that’s enough of that

[storm fjord]

Science fiction my fat elite face, it's a game for goodness sake

[terse lava]

I. Can live with that

[storm fjord]

Did master chief wear anything under his suit

[humble yacht]

Techsuit

[storm fjord]

And under his techsuit?

[humble yacht]

Probably some basic underwear

[storm fjord]

That must be pretty awkward

[humble yacht]

Not really

[storm fjord]

Who wears underwear under their spacesuit?

[humble yacht]

Every astronaut ever

[storm fjord]

Um

How does he breathe in space

[cunning wave]

with oxygen

[storm fjord]

Where is it?

[cunning wave]

where do you think

jus suit

his*

[storm fjord]

How much oxygen is in his suit

[cunning wave]

no idea

[terse lava]

90 minutes I think

[storm fjord]

Oh

I thought he was breathing in space since the first decade

lol

[terse lava]

Huh, ok

I mean, the 4s can breathe methane

[gilded mason]

Eeeeh...

[terse lava]

I know....

[humble yacht]

Which is bs but also only theoretical

[storm fjord]

I want to learn about

[humble yacht]

No spartan has ever actually breathed methane

[terse lava]

Breathe methane and eat trees

[cunning wave]

yes

[terse lava]

Yet

[storm fjord]

I mean I breathe methane in custom games

[humble yacht]

Open a window then

[storm fjord]

Why?

[humble yacht]

Methane is the primary composition of farts

You basically said you’re breathing farts when you play customs

So, open a window

[terse lava]

Poor unggoy, having to live off farts

[humble yacht]

Pure methane is actually odorless

[storm fjord]

So

If i

Hmmmmmm

[terse lava]

Yet it cant be fully pure, as other characters comment in the smell

Still, fun to know

[storm fjord]

What would happen if chief breathed methane

And why do farts burn

[humble yacht]

He’d suffocate unless he got oxygen

Farts burn because methane is combustible

[noble fjord]

My brain hurts... why do the CSO and CAS look exactly the same

[gilded mason]

Because

[terse lava]

Bungie being lazy

[noble fjord]

minus the fact ones like 800 times the size

oh yeah I had a question early this morning but nobody was on to answer it

How many ODST teams do UNSC ships carry? because multiple times in the series we see ODST Drop Pods in UNSC ships and I doubt that regular marines would be thrown in them

[gilded mason]

The Pillar of Autumn had 400 ODSTs

[storm fjord]

They probably dont have a specific number tbh if you think about it ODSTS and spartans are all over the place so I wouldnt think there would be anything specific

What about the spirit of fire

[gilded mason]

Don't know. But In Amber Clad had 64

[noble fjord]

according to Halo War 1 multiplayer, Spirit had an infinite amount of ODSTs

wars

[storm fjord]

The spirit of fire had 1000

According to google

[noble fjord]

yay the filter is gone

[storm fjord]

It's going to come back now

[unique rune]

Huh. Interesting.

Warfleet covers the crew complement of several ships.
Obviously that varies by the ship class.

If I had a copy I'd go through and check, but I don't...

Halopedia seems to have covered the ones that we do know, however.

[gilded mason]

It does, yeah

[inner basin]

The Infinity has 750 ODSTs. I wonder if we’ll see any in Infinite, I personally would. It could be implemented like it was in Halo 2. Plus I would really like another drop scene similar to the one saw in Halo 2 (Delta Halo).

[hasty locust]

Indeed

[fair hazel]

It does kinda annoy me a bit when people equate methane to... farts. it is definitely not the primiary composition of one..

[hasty locust]

Beans are

Duh

[last anchor]

Hah.

[inner basin]

I mean Cow farts and burps are a rather substantial contributor to the greenhouse gases in the form of Methane tbf, erick.

[versed helm]

grunts inhailing small pieces of crap in order to survive confirmed

[gaunt oak]

@frail arrow has been auto muted.

[feral perch]

the CSO class doesn't look exactly the same

..... scroll error

[potent cargo]

poor guy got instantly muted

[gilded mason]

Nah, he said a certain S-word multiple times in a row in quick succession

[potent cargo]

ohh welp

i wonder how the grunts stop climate change

from all that methane

[terse lava]

None

Their climate went to heck before the rings fired

[inner basin]

They used to be a very intelligent species, with great cities and all that good stuff, but their civilisation collapsed I believe. I can’t remember how it did exactly

[potent cargo]

I thought it was they advanced too quickly in technology without a thought of the future and the consequences caught up with them

[inner basin]

Maybe that’s it, but I really can’t remember for the life of me

[potent cargo]

same i remember hearing about it

[storm fjord]

..

[full forge]

Nah, that's those humans during the 21st century. The unggoy were mid-industrial age when the Covenant arrived I believe.

[potent cargo]

Is there any pictures of their cities ive read the books that describe them but would love to see a photo

[storm fjord]

Yeah it looks like 5 giant frigates upside down with cherries on top

[storm fjord]

Wait is voids terror canon

[gilded mason]

Void's Tear? Yeah

[storm fjord]

How exactly does it work

Just spawns a black hole?

[gilded mason]

Superheating exotic nuclear isomers is pure folly, but it was done with the best of intentions. Advanced Plasma Pistol with overcharged shots that create an unstable gravimetric vortex at point of impact, pulling in nearby objects then exploding.
Some sorta gravity vortex, at any rate.

[carmine sleet]

It's almost a black hole gun but the unstable gravimetric vortexes it creates aren't powerful enough to swallow entire planets

[storm fjord]

I'm losing my mind

[carmine sleet]

You'll lose much more than that if you're trapped in a black hole

[keen canopy]

The Unggoy over-industrialised

Think modern day China and how polluted it is.

And now imagine if most/every country was that bad, society would collapse quick.

[storm fjord]

What's a planet?

[inner basin]

Well to answer the question, a Planet is a celestial object moving in an elliptical orbit round a * (the asterisks is in place of the first word of the movie filter)

[storm fjord]

What's that

[carmine sleet]

A large ball of plasma that is in the centre of every solar system, including ours

[inner basin]

Another definition grabbed of Google (which you could just do yourself) “an astronomical object consisting of a luminous spheroid of plasma held together by its own gravity. The nearest [one] to Earth is the Sun.”

[storm fjord]

what?

[humble yacht]

They are defining the term “sun” for you

[terse lava]

Would recommend a library...or google

[storm fjord]

What's that?

Is that a chair?

[unique rune]

There’s better places to act completely and utterly oblivious.

[terse lava]

I wonder how common was the flood to the covenant. Obviously military and religious figures knew of it, but civilians?

[unique rune]

Must’ve been common enough for a sect like the Governors of Contrition to have become a thing.

[terse lava]

Will never understand that part, go after the humans but leave the flood cult alone

[carmine sleet]

It's no different than what happens on our world with certain groups

[inner basin]

Well I mean the humans being a thing did technically go against the whole basis of the Covenant whereas the Flood were probably an afterthought for the Hierarchs. Either that or they were oblivious to how dangerous the Flood really were

[storm fjord]

I'm not oblivious I'm just curious

[inner basin]

You can easily google the word ‘planet’ or ‘sun ‘to learn about it. Here isn’t the place to ask what either of those are

[storm fjord]

I dont know how

[carmine sleet]

Randomdude, you do realise that to even be on Discord, you would've had to have used a search engine of some kind, right?

[inner basin]

No point wasting any more of our time, Slip. He’s trolling

[umbral citrus]

i mean you could technically have done it without but that’d be really weird in this day and age

[storm fjord]

Did master chief consider Cortana as a search engine

[inner basin]

🤦‍♂️ (x100)

[carmine sleet]

Slow enough that they were easily stopped by glassing beams

They didn't glass half of Africa, Hood was exaggerating

[humble yacht]

Rtas would have been extra cautious

Like when excising a tumor, you take out the bad tissue but you also take out a little of the good tissue surrounding the tumor just to make sure you get it all

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[terse lava]

Yep, roland did say had the glassing not been done, earth would have fallen in hours

[hasty locust]

Bad flood

[deep pewter]

Bad blood

[terse lava]

Bad flood blood

[hasty locust]

Do they even have flood

Or blood

A flood of blood

[keen canopy]

Flood bleed yes

[inner basin]

Yeah CE went over the top with the blood effects

[hasty locust]

Yeah, I wasn’t sure if it was blood or just flood gloop

Like it doesn’t seem flood eat and drink so why would they need blood

Do they even breathe!?!

[carmine sleet]

The Flood are weird

[hasty locust]

They are

Their bullies too

[inner basin]

Well the body they use as a host also doesn’t lose the blood that it had inside itself.

The only thing we don’t see coagulate blood are carrier forms

They just pop into oblivion

[hasty locust]

Booom

[unique rune]

They'd still need to transport nutrients and waste through the body. Liquid circulation systems are pretty efficient for that purpose.

[hasty locust]

That opens up the most important question then

Do flood poop?

[stoic hamlet]

Idk if it would have fallen in hours

Or at all. The infection was contained to voi.

Had the Gravemind attacked then yeah, it definitely would have fallen.

But the flood from a single ship? All the UNSC had to do was evacuate the area then nuke it.

[versed helm]

Yeah why did they need Rtas to glass it? They still have nukes

[unique rune]

Unless the UNSC has clean nuclear weapons I dunno if they’d have wanted to take any risks with fallout.

[hasty locust]

I think they do

I remember first strike mentioning something about a very powerful clean nuclear hand grenade shaped like a football

[versed helm]

Doesnt glassing cause radiation? Kat said that Rads were spiking before new Alexandria got glassed

[dusty pilot]

also its hot i think

so its super cold?

[versed helm]

Yes it freezes the planet so much it turned to lava

I just realized that the emp stripped kat of her shields which allowed her to be oneshotted

[hasty locust]

Yes

They implemented the headshot weapon mechanic into a cutscene, pretty cool

[dusty pilot]

cool

[random fable]

that was a very high velocity pink needle of death. my guess is that "glassing" is basically an insane amount of radiation directed at the planet. Maybe like an insane beam rifle.

[safe siren]

"The term glassing is used to refer to the act by which the Covenant's ships bombard a planet from orbit by using heavy plasma weaponry."

The 'Glassing' is the featured article on halopedia, lol

[dusty pilot]

hey i noticed in the ending cutscene of Winter Contingency on Reach that Kat mispronounced the rank of Colonel, she didnt say "Kernal" as the others, mayber her accent conflicted or something? listen to it closely...

[hasty locust]

map quest

[terse lava]

Their hosts

[bitter inlet]

what happened to faber during the end of the forerunner-flood war?

[gilded mason]

Dang filter

He was killed when Stellar Roads destroyed Omega Halo, which he was on.

[terse lava]

Then he was apparently transported to this server 😋

[gilded mason]

He accepted that outcome as penance for all the atrocites he commited.

[terse lava]

Though find it funny how his armorncoulsnt protect him

[bitter inlet]

what atrocities did he do?

[hasty locust]

Palace of pain sound familiar

[gilded mason]

And he sterilized Janjur Qom in retaliation for the San'Shyuum rebellion.

[hasty locust]

He wasn’t a very cool dude

[terse lava]

Nope, didact was better

Well...when he was ssne

Sane

[terse lava]

Speaking of the forerunners, how long do you think it was sinc mendicant bias had spoken to the covenant

[humble yacht]

When?

[terse lava]

Well was curious when the last time mendicant had said anything to the covenant

[humble yacht]

Probably the events of contact harvest

Because after that he got disconnected from the key ship by the prophets

[terse lava]

Well met before that

As ord casto commented it hadn't since before his great-grandfather's time

[quaint hearth]

how do spartan know drive covenant cars?

[humble yacht]

Years of war with the covenant, the UNSC probably learned a few things. Like how to pilot ghosts and banshees and such

[finite goblet]

keyes mentioned simulations i believe when flying a spirit in CE

unless i’m mistaken

[terse lava]

Phantom sims too

[stoic hamlet]

Covenant weapons were also given to the III’s to train with on Onyx.

I think there were mentions of captured vehicles as well?

[hasty locust]

I think it was fall of reach, chief mentioning something about orders to bring back any functioning covenant tech

[versed helm]

i never understood what are the banished on halo 5

[gilded mason]

Say again?

[feral perch]

yeah, whatcha say?

[hasty locust]

Banished weren’t in halo 5,( I like your profile though, noice red eyed tree frog)

[terse lava]

They are from halo war 2, and are a jiralhanae-led mercenary group that seeks to gain power

[hasty locust]

^

[terse lava]

A thought occurs to me, is it in a way, a good thing that the didact is not the main villain after Halo 4? Had he been thr meaning threat, would that not risk having this utterly genius(if insane) forerunner war general losing far more to humanity then would make sense?

[hasty locust]

Yes?

[gilded mason]

Because they're like the fly you're trying to swat

Not a big deal, but they're fast to fly away

[hasty locust]

But they keep landing in your orange juice

And you know you can get them, but you don’t wanna slap your orange juice

That works better

[gilded mason]

lol

[hasty locust]

Basically they are under your nose and the covenant knows that, but they can’t seem to get them

[feral perch]

I've come to accept that most of the Banished's hype is due to a logistics AI panicking super hard

[gilded mason]

Basically

[feral perch]

Atriox is a worse villain than Jul 'Mdama in the current state of the universe, although that's not saying much because Jul was pretty compelling up until Halo 5's first level.

[terse lava]

Wel the banished arent really ally.that compelling anyway

[feral perch]

His physical prowess isn't the most important part of his character though. Otherwise, he'd be just like all the rest of the brutes.

He's supposed to be more cunning, -brave?-, competent, and inspiring than other Jiralhanae.

But we still don't know what his actual motivations are, and he lost quite embarrassingly to the Spirit of Fire during the events of Halo Wars 2.

Plot armor bruh

[gilded mason]

Basically

[feral perch]

You think they would kill off a beloved ship, captain, and Spartan team?

Nah, they dodged that bullet of fan rage

by a mile

Halo Wars is a very "lite" version of Halo. They can't have things getting too dark or depressing.

Even the Flood got the "glowing goop" treatment to make them more spectacle than horror this time around.

There just wasn't time for that.

But there weren't Spartan-IVs stationed on the Ark when the Banished arrived.

No.

[gilded mason]

They really just skipped over everything that they missed

[feral perch]

It was just in case Spartan-IVs did come by, Donk.

[gilded mason]

Like, did they even talk about the war ending or the way it ended? I forget.

[feral perch]

I don't think it made much of a difference tbh.

the BR85, Halo 4/5 Warthog, MA5D, and various other items were already in use or in prototype by the start of the Covenant War.

And the Banished didn't seem to have so much new tech as they did tech that had a bunch of armor bolted on, which is typical of Brutes.

[terse lava]

They had brute plasma rifles

Sort of "new" tech

Then again their basea....idk why they look like that

[jolly saddle]

I just bought Reach, anyone know some good hidden references to look out for?

[terse lava]

Data pads I guess

[inner basin]

The radio conversations are pretty neat to listen to as well

Gives a brief overview of the larger war going on in the background

[terse lava]

Yep

Think some are in campaign, and other in multiplayer

Dont recall, with halo war 1, had the flood managed to make it within the shield world prior to the Sof making it in?

[feral perch]

I'm wondering about that myself.

I don't think they did judging from gameplay, but I don't know if there's a definite statement on the issue.

[terse lava]

The official guide, has dialogue between ripa and regret. Regret questions the current situation with the flood. Ripa comments that they had secured the interior, but that the parasite proved resilient on the surface.

[feral perch]

Really?

That's cool. Do you think you could send me a screenshot of that?

[terse lava]

Well it was only a few sentences really.

"This world, is it secure from the infection?"

"Yea hierarch, the interior is sealed. The surface outside, though, is another matter, and the flood are nothing of not persistent."

That's it, in regards to that particular thing. Rest if the conversation covers sending Ripa to harvest

[feral perch]

Huh, thanks.

[terse lava]

Welcome, the quote does seem to imply the covenant had an active role in keeping the flood back, as one would think ripa would mention the forerunner defenses doing the job for them

[feral perch]

Yeah, Forerunner installations seem to have wonky security. Delta Halo is a prime example

[inner basin]

I always thought that Meddlers were the cause for the parasite outbreak, and how a Gravemind had been formed

But that doesn’t hold much credit

I think HiddenXperia did a video on this subject, and this idea comes up. Just YouTube search “Installation-05 Flood Outbreak”, it should be the first option to come up

[feral perch]

Meddlers meddlers

[versed helm]

I would love to see the meddlers as intergalactic invaders at some point

[noble fjord]

Ok real talk the amount of flood biomass on the flood post Awakening the nightmare is... ridiculous

Like I doubt it could be entirely contained

some of the parasite might've escaped

[inner basin]

Well there were Sentinels activated to contain it. Obviously the Brutes probably couldn’t contain it all, but Sentinels will deal with what’s left

[versed helm]

Did the ark have a monitor?

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[inner basin]

Yes. It went rampant

[gilded mason]

Used to

[versed helm]

What was his name/designation though?

[gilded mason]

000 Tragic Solitude

[versed helm]

Thats really interesting

What caused him to go rampant?

[inner basin]

It’s all in Hunters in the Dark. An interesting read (maybe not the rampant part I can’t remember)

[versed helm]

Ive heard of that novel before

Wasnt that where Vale was introduced?

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[inner basin]

Do we know if Owen dropped with a team of Spartan-IIIs on Meridian? If not, do you think it should be?

[versed helm]

Oh hey

I'm not muted anymore 🙂

Time for more text walls.

And definitely no more bad words

Did y'all know that on the Cairo, the actual MAC gun is just a tiny tube running up the side of the big boom assembly?

[slow cave]

No

I didnt know that

[versed helm]

Mhm. The big chunky rail looking thing is actually all pulsed power storage, heat sinks or maybe some kind of fusion generator.

[storm fjord]

No but did you know

[versed helm]

If you look carefully when it opens-up in game, you can see where the projectile is fired from.

You can also look at the slugs it fires both beneath the armoury and in the final room where they get loaded.

[slow cave]

Nice

[versed helm]

It's really cool.

Also did y'all know that in the olden days, according to TFoR, SMACs like the Cairo fired 3,000-ton slugs at 4% the speed of light? If that hit a planet, it could crack open the crust.

Thankfully, in Warfleet, 343 have retconned MACs to having a muzzle velocity of "several" kilometres per second, firing merely "multi-ton" slugs.

[storm fjord]

Did you all know that I dont want to talk about cannons

[versed helm]

Well, what do you want to talk about?

[slow cave]

Why can chief fly

In halo 2

[storm fjord]

Bcuz hes not a superhero

Hes a supersoldier

[versed helm]

You mean, when he leaves the Cairo to give the Covenant back their bomb?

[slow cave]

No

If u have sword and u swap while hitting enemy

U fly

[storm fjord]

Tsktsk dont evade it

[slow cave]

Swordfly

[versed helm]

... That's not really like, a lore thing.

That's a gameplay error.

[slow cave]

Oh

[storm fjord]

Sword lunge

[slow cave]

Ok

Why does chief like blowing up big ships

Or planets?

[storm fjord]

It's his job

[slow cave]

I see

[storm fjord]

And he gets to do it for free

[slow cave]

Nice

How do cryo chambers work

[storm fjord]

Freezing

[slow cave]

Yeah but it cant just be freezing him

[storm fjord]

Yes it can

[slow cave]

So if u put a mouse in my freezer and took it out 2 years later it would still be alive?

What about food

Water?

[versed helm]

Two things going on here.

[storm fjord]

Well his augmentations

[versed helm]

First off, when you're frozen, your metabolism is stopped.

You don't need food or water.

[slow cave]

Ok

[versed helm]

The problem is, when you're frozen, you also die.

The thing is

The humans in Halo have developed powerful sci-fi drugs to stop that from happening.

[storm fjord]

Cryo chambers work differently in halo

[slow cave]

Ok

[versed helm]

The first is called cytoprethaline. It gets injected prior to entering cryo, and it helps protect your cells from being damaged by the cold.

[slow cave]

So superdrugs save everyone from a cold death

Ok

[versed helm]

The second is called bronchial surfunctant. You breathe it in as the pod freezes you, and it supports your lungs so they don't do awful shattery things.

You vomit it up when you're thawed, usually.

You're supposed to swallow it down again, like Chief does, but most UNSC personnel don't.

Because it tastes like lemony phlegm.

[slow cave]

Ok

How does chief eat

If his helmet never comes off

[storm fjord]

Yes

He eats

And his helmet does come off

[slow cave]

Oh

[true shadow]

His helmet is his face. It unhinges and consumes

[slow cave]

Does that mean chief isnt human?

[storm fjord]

He is as seen in halo 4s ending

[true shadow]

Whatever he is we don’t ask because we’re scared of the answer we’ll get

[storm fjord]

Maybe not fully a human

But somewhat a human

[versed helm]

In the field, Spartans usually sustain themselves with hyper nutrient dense compact special forces ration bars.

In an emergency, their helmet can sorta, constitute a bit of baby food-like stuff.

Feeds them through a tube.

[storm fjord]

And they go to the. Bathroom using tubes

[versed helm]

Catheters.

Though I'm pretty sure if they need a number 2, they actually have to remove segments of their armour.

Which they can do, at least per-The Flood.

Bit of an old source but I don't see why it's not valid since the notion makes sense.

In The Flood, Chief removed segments of his armour to treat wounds he sustains throughout the book.

[slow cave]

Why didnt they just blow up the rings

[versed helm]

Aside from 04?

[slow cave]

Ye

[versed helm]

The power and knowledge stored within is clearly tempting.

The Forerunners intended humanity to study them and their secrets.

Of course it rarely goes to plan.

[slow cave]

After the first one why didnt they blow uo the rest

[versed helm]

Like I said, to study them.

And, perhaps, to keep them in play in case they need to be used again.

The threat of the Flood is never really gone.

The Forerunners didn't think it was. That's why they kept samples.

For the sake of study.

[slow cave]

Ok

[true shadow]

Wasn’t installation 03 deactivated?

Or maybe I’m just imagining things

[versed helm]

I'm not sure.

Maybe worth looking up the relevant Halopedia page.

[storm fjord]

Or just ask the halo bot

[true shadow]

Ahh I was wrong

In actuality it sorta is disabled because the index is in an undisclosed location by ONI

[versed helm]

Interesting.

[hollow meadow]

So I made an interesting connection. So I assumed Samuel-034 was inspired by a biblicial verse much in the same was John-117 is. I found the verse it came from and it ironically foreshadowed his death in Halo canon

Not literally foreshadowed it but it did mention rescuing a lamb from a bear and lion and thus risking his life to sace the flock, much like how Sam sacrificed his life to ensure the survival of John and the rest of Blue Team

[versed helm]

I like it.

It's not too full-on verse-for-verse to be tacky, but it's tasteful and classy.

You can say Nylund probably was inspired by the verse, but you can't say for sure. That's always a good sign.

[terse lava]

@true shadow the 2nd replacement for alpha halo was from halo war 2

Makes sense, halos filled to the brim with biblical stuff

Chief's name and number are another. The covenant, the halos, the ark, almost everything

[hasty locust]

What isn’t full of biblical references though

[versed helm]

The UNSC Cairo

My current favourite Halo thing

Only thing biblical about it is the wrath of God it unleashes

Though the Reach ODPs from Fleet Battles look really cool

[humble yacht]

Point of No Return is best ship

[hasty locust]

Cradle space dock

May she rest in piece

We need a saluting emoji

[humble yacht]

o7

[hasty locust]

o7

[terse lava]

o7

[hasty locust]

Youve got a big brain

Your brain just shrunk

[terse lava]

Eh

Looked odd with capital

[hasty locust]

Yeah

And your head was the double the size of ours

But yeah o7 works, thanks

07

[terse lava]

All that covenant knowledge 😋

[hasty locust]

ö7

ô7 you can give him a hat

°7 very small brain

Ima stop now

[humble yacht]

that's a good idea

[hasty locust]

Thanks

So... lore

What do you think a first world country looks like? We’ve only ever seen third world countries and look how advanced they are

In game for that matter

[terse lava]

Likely around the same really

[hasty locust]

Yeah thats what i was kind of thinking

[terse lava]

No flying cars yet

[hasty locust]

Sad

[terse lava]

On another, maybe funny topic

Let's say the covenant never find the other races, but humanity does

[hasty locust]

New alexandria seemed a but more advanced then mombasa to me

like ungoy and stuff

Or we find the covenant

[terse lava]

No that would the same

[hasty locust]

Yes so first option

I think we’d enslave them

[terse lava]

But if humanity found the lekgolo? Primitive brutes?

[hasty locust]

Slaves, all of them

[terse lava]

Really? Seems slavery fell out of favor long ago in the haloverse

[hasty locust]

I don’t think we’re that good

Look at the sketchy stuff ONI does

[terse lava]

Yea but that's them

[hasty locust]

If we found a primitive race of efficent workers

I don’t think we’d refuse

[terse lava]

Would say if they were found, people would want to give them rights

[hasty locust]

Maybe on the outside civillians may see that we made “peace” but its one of those things where a shadow organization will be stealing their kids and breeding them for work or war

[terse lava]

And they to integrate them, but you are right. Some would.likly try to use them as slaves

[hasty locust]

Another good question would be if the insurrection found them first

[terse lava]

Hm

[hasty locust]

If we found jackals first there would be a war undoubtedly

Grunts-slaves

Brutes-expirements

Sangheli-war

[terse lava]

Huh? Sangheili are not in this, just the client racea

Also you left out the lekgolo

[hasty locust]

Oh yeah

[versed helm]

i could see yonhets used as slaves

[terse lava]

....ok yes could.see that

[obsidian thistle]

Well we have seen Yonhets used as slaves.

https://www.halopedia.org/File:HE_Slavers.jpg

[versed helm]

seems about right

[obsidian thistle]

*Fun fact that was their first appearance. I remember the odd discussions on how the "humans" looked odd.

[terse lava]

Find it funny how 343 never bothered giving them a purpose besides" we can find forerunner stuff."

[versed helm]

i never really liked the yonhets, they look like humanoid blob fish to me lol.

[terse lava]

Agreed

[humble yacht]

Covenant fringe species

Kinda look like humans but with 4 nostrils and gills

[hasty locust]

Remember the st4r trek looking creatire in nightfall

[terse lava]

Wonder if 343 will ever reveal how many fringe races exist

[humble yacht]

Why would they cut off an avenue to introduce new things like that?

[terse lava]

What I mean was introduce more

[humble yacht]

oh. in that case, probably

[terse lava]

Yea, for all we know almost every race in the galaxy became a fringe. Didnt frankie say only a small amount of aliens were not in the covenant?

[humble yacht]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[terse lava]

Wonder if humanity would have been a fringe

[hasty locust]

Fringe species are also a good way to bring back old canceled doods

I don’t think they would cause isnt humanity unholy because they are the reclaimers or whatnot

[versed helm]

weird looking mac world elites?

for fringe?

why not?

[hasty locust]

The ones with the tails?

[versed helm]

yes

[hasty locust]

Maybe they could redesign them into like hunting animals

We don’t know many animals from the halo universe do we

[versed helm]

are you talking about the Elites or the horned beasts?

[hasty locust]

Elites with tails

[versed helm]

i couldnt really see them as hunting animals, more like the Yonhet of the sangheili.

[hasty locust]

Maybe

[terse lava]

Were they even sentient?

[versed helm]

yes

[terse lava]

Ah ok

[terse lava]

Bit of an off one, but building in the question I had asked earlier, would the covenant have been more or less of a threat had they never gathered any client/fringe races and humanity being their first contact?

[gilded mason]

So humanity would still be encountered in 2525, but there's only San'Shyuum and Sangheili in the Covenant?

[terse lava]

Yes

How do you think things would be

[humble yacht]

I doubt much would have changed

[gilded mason]

Hm. One one hand, less troops available. So it might sorta "slow down" humanity's exinction a tiny bit. Though if there are no other species, that means Truth wouldn't really wanna get rid of the Sangheili, so he'd never cause a Schism.

And first contact would go differently if the troops available were less trigger-happy

[humble yacht]

Luminary would have still identified Humans as forerunner artifacts, MB still would have told the prophets that humans were Reclaimers, and prophet's influence would have been jeopardized by the truth of humanity's existence

[gilded mason]

Though Truth's narrative might have a harder standing if diplomacy might have been going well.

[terse lava]

True

The sangheili also would have been more clear on what they wanted

[gilded mason]

Either way, sooner or later in this new timeline, Sangheili would become more sympathic to humanity not getting the chance to join the Covenant, and without other enforcers, Truth may have to bite the bullet and finally concede and allow humans entrance.

[terse lava]

I cant help but laugh at that idea

Although here, he may be able to work it as "these aliens are gifts to us"

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[humble yacht]

big doubt

[terse lava]

Why

[gilded mason]

"After much time, study, and reflection, we have come to an answer that gives us all grace and purpose..."

[terse lava]

@gilded masonread that in Truth's voice XD

[gilded mason]

Good, good.

[terse lava]

But I dont see how truth could pull off the same stunt without the brutes

[copper wigeon]

would the plots of any of the books have changed significantly without the other races?

Like Contact Harvest? Would Johnson have survived the first encounter had it been a squad of elites?

[gilded mason]

Cole Protocol might change. Though I suppose the Sangheili in place of Kig-Yar might just try to say they're not affiliated with the Covenant, however successful that may be

And of course, the second half of Broken Circle would be quite different.

[terse lava]

Regret would live too

Flood would have likly failed at both halos

[gilded mason]

Why's that?

[humble yacht]

flood didn't really fail at I05

they kind of succeeded

[gilded mason]

He's saying in this new timeline

[humble yacht]

yea i don't see how this fake timeline would change in that regard

[terse lava]

No schism to pull attention away from the flood frigate

[gilded mason]

Ah, yes.

And I guess Truth would have no reason to allow Regret to be killed by John, so he'd allow the additional reinforcements to come through.

[humble yacht]

why would Regret have gone to I05 in the first place?

he only went there to run from Earth

but if he wasn't fighting earth in the first place, he would have never run there

[gilded mason]

He found Earth because he was looking for the Ark. I don't think that would change unless I'm missing something

[terse lava]

Dont see how either

[gilded mason]

(Besides humanity joining the Covenant earlier on)

[humble yacht]

if humanity was in the covenant then Regret wouldn't have gone to earth as an enemy and hence would not have fled earth to escape destruction

[gilded mason]

Ah, yeah, you'd be right in that context.

[humble yacht]

if humanity was in the covenant then Regret wouldn't have gone to earth as an enemy and hence would not have fled earth to escape destruction

if anything, the franchise would end around the time that would have been Fall of Reach, when the UNSC decoded the location of I04

[gilded mason]

Unless by luck, Spark happens to blab about Halo's true purpose, or some UNSC AI chances upon getting to interface with the control room.

Then things start to really go off the rails.

[humble yacht]

or it just starts to follow normal halo events

covenant try to activate halo, humans try to stop them

someone releases flood on accident

bada bing, bada boom

[gilded mason]

Though since humans are now part of the Covenant, Sangheili could be part of the group that discovers the truth

[humble yacht]

that assumes the elites are not as zealous as they are actually

[gilded mason]

Depends on who would be on the team

A person like Cole Protocol Thel? There is likely to be trouble.

[humble yacht]

spark only revealed himself because the flood were released, though

without an outbreak, there'd be no reason for him to make contact

[terse lava]

Well do we have anything showing he tried to talk to the covenant before?

[humble yacht]

and therefore no reason for him to assist a reclaimer through the library to claim the index

[gilded mason]

Though based on the CE terminal, he was planning on making contact

And the only (currently known) way to activate Halo is with the Index, within the Library. So a team would have to go there to retrieve it and Spark would be mighty curious as to why anyone would do that without an outbreak.

[terse lava]

Odd he never tried to contact thel or stewardship

[gilded mason]

He was racist

[humble yacht]

The only reason Chief got through the library was because spark opened doors for him

and when that happened there was a reason

spark could just sit back and refuse to open the way

[gilded mason]

So Spark would probably contact the Reclaimers earlier when they first attempt to gain entrance

[inner raft]

so is the infinity the strongest ship in the galaxy barring some hidden forerunner ship we haven't seen yet or does the covenant have something stronger still?

[gilded mason]

Yes. Johnson died hugging an Elite

[humble yacht]

it's not canon

[gilded mason]

so is the infinity the strongest ship in the galaxy
No, it's the strongest ship the UNSC has.

[humble yacht]

it was just a joke ending

[gilded mason]

I'm keepin' things PG rated. 😉

[terse lava]

Yep, remember, keep the heresy out

[inner raft]

what kind of covenant ship competes with it then? is the super carrier still stronger?

[gilded mason]

Carriers and supercarriers would be able to destroy it

[terse lava]

Likely even cruisers

Correct @versed helm

[inner raft]

didnt it blow through a cruiser in the intro of spartan ops though?

[gilded mason]

Possibly, yeah

didnt it blow through a cruiser in the intro of spartan ops though?```
We're talkin' about firepower

[quiet umbra]

While the Infinity is better than covenant supercarriers, it could still totally be destroyed in a battle just like any other ship

[inner raft]

i mean i guess it did get the drop on the cruiser so that wasnt a fair comparison

[terse lava]

Every decent covenant vessel has one massive advantage..they can control their plasma

[humble yacht]

only Infinity's engines are of forerunner origin. it's weapons and shielding are still human-made

[gilded mason]

Yeah. Energy projectors can easily disable the Infinity, rendering the battle over.

[inner raft]

i remember hearing that newer frigate models that the infinity can carry also now has plasma tech though

[humble yacht]

guardians are not a ship

they're their own thing

[quiet umbra]

guardians are essentially massive sentinels yes

[humble yacht]

Guardians are Peacemakers

[quiet umbra]

they're space police

[unique rune]

Anlace-class frigates have directed energy weapons. How powerful they are I don't believe we know.

[inner raft]

i was more thinking unsc vs covenant anyways. feel like it would be unfair to talk about forerunner ships since a new one could just pop out of nowhere

[quiet umbra]

any forerunner ship could beat any other ship

human or covenant

[terse lava]

Yep

[inner raft]

true

[terse lava]

Well...enough covenant ones could likely overwhelm a forerunner one

[inner raft]

i believe thats the case donk

[terse lava]

Building left alone

[gilded mason]

Does it just phase through the building and hits the humans inside

That's what it did in Composer (the level), so...

[terse lava]

Only organics affected

[unique rune]

Given what we saw of New Phoenix, yeah

Just some piles of ash with the rest of the city pretty much untouched.

[inner raft]

i wish halo 4 would come out soon on pc, need a refresher on that

[gilded mason]

Thank goodness Cortana (probably) can’t use composers against UNSC ships then
What makes you say that?

[quiet umbra]

why would cortana want to use composers

[gilded mason]

To compose any who oppose her

[humble yacht]

she pretty much said she would in H5 as punishment for those who resist her

something something you will burn white hot and we will take what remains and remake it in our image

[gilded mason]

Basically, yeah

[terse lava]

Yep, she can compose already

[quiet umbra]

probably by reintroducing The Flood

[terse lava]

There's no saving the h5 plot

[quiet umbra]

how are they gonna unfuck the story in Infinite