#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 282

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:25 AM

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All of them get to have a chance to kick the hierarchs' butts

gilded mason Jan 7, 2020, 2:25 AM

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No no...you had it right the first time

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Are we grammar checking now, Ostral?

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Always imagines truth waking up, surrounded by furious covenant and humans

gilded mason Jan 7, 2020, 2:26 AM

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No, it’s not about grammar. 😋

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:26 AM

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It's about the humor

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:27 AM

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I’m lost

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:28 AM

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What humour.... This chat never makes me laugh... It’s always dull and full of big nerds talking about VERY SERIOUS lore. This thing you call humour is heresy of the highest kind.

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:28 AM

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...Really?

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:28 AM

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No, it’s called sarcasm

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:29 AM

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take care beast, what you say is heresy

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:29 AM

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I have been diagnosed with nerd

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Oh I must have lagged or something

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I said "...Really?" after Ado said there's a bright side to being flooded 😄

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Well I guess it is eternal life of some sort

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Let's be honest, if this chat room was a building, it would be a comedy club

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Oh no. Not the lag.... I’m laaaaagggg...... innnnnggggg.....

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Great, too much flood talk. The logic plague has set in

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Ado, do you not mean fight club, instead of comedy club?

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:31 AM

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@inner basin why not both?

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Touché

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Hmm

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Wonder if the covenant knew the fate of the infected

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Vadimee clearly didnt, thinking his underlings were going on the great journey despite their flood fate

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Ok here's one guys, what Flood direction would you prefer future Halo media takes:

The one where the Flood are Precursor-level powerful, and have been holding back in order to test Humanity for the mantle/some similar prank tactics that they pulled on the ancient humans and Forerunners?

Or the one where the flood are a shadow of the Precursors driven by revenge and want to kill all life they created, and they've been trying their very hardest to accomplish that post-Array Firing.

gilded mason Jan 7, 2020, 2:34 AM

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The latter, for me

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:34 AM

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^ I second that

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Ditto

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The idea of the precursors doing all this for humanity to gain the mantle.....yea

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Both

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:35 AM

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I...I don't think the other races would be happy knowing that

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Me too, I think they've been trying their hardest, and attribute their failures to their extreme arrogance, a legacy of the Precursors.

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:36 AM

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They never showed arrogance though

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:36 AM

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The former doesn’t seem plausible firstly, and secondly they are a corrupted version of what they used to be (could be a good explanation for why they can’t either)

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:36 AM

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That we k ow of

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Who else would want another collection of halo short stories, like on explaining what happened to James-005 or his thought while he was just floating, maybe one of What buck did on reach during new Alexandria or hell even a chips Dubbo short story

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Ur didact when thought the precursors o ly wanted to create

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Eh..expand it out a bit more

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I don't think watching james become a popsicle would make for great enterainment

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:38 AM

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I definitely think many of their actions have been made in arrogance, the Flood wanted the Forerunners to suffer.

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Instead of just systematically infecting them.

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:38 AM

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@keen canopythe flood yes, not the precursors they once were though

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Well they did that one short comic story about that ship dead in the water

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Oh you're saying the Precursors didn't show arrogance?

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:39 AM

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@hasty locusthm?

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Correct

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Lemme get the name

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:39 AM

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They're The Precursors they're on such a different level

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There is no way they consider themselves equals with the life they created

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Well yea

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:40 AM

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The same way humans are arrogant when considering animal life

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Black white vs green and brown morality

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Indeed, that's what I meant by arrogance

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Just pure, inbuilt "we are gods"

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Will give you that

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Idk about the gods part

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They thought the universe itself was.a living being beyond their level

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Undefeated (tales from slipspace)

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:41 AM

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@hasty locusthuh, ok?

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:42 AM

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You know what I mean lol

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Yea

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Look at this absolute bitter anger here:

Our urge to create is immutable; we must create. But the beings we create shall never again reach out in strength against us. All that is created will suffer. All will be born in suffering, endless grayness shall be their lot. All creation will tailor to failure and pain, that never again shall the offspring of the eternal Fount rise up against their creators. Listen to the silence. Ten million years of deep silence. And now, whimpers and cries; not of birth. That is what we bring: a great crushing weight to press down youth and hope. No more will. No more freedom. Nothing new but agonizing death and never good shall come of it. We are the last of those who gave you breath and form, millions of years ago. We are the last of those your kind defied and ruthlessly destroyed. We are the last Precursors. And now we are legion."

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Every time I read that I can taste it on my tongue

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Taste?

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Which boggles my mind

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They are these uber powerful beings, and throw a hissy fit

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The bitterness settle

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:45 AM

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I’d say that’s a bit more that bitter anger, eezy

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Hey if I was sooooo powerful and got driven to extinction by some angry forerunner boys I would be pretty pissed too

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Its...just madness

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That's the thing

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Toys

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It's like a human being pissed at a germ

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Toys?

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Well compare it to the bible for example, where the god comes to earth and experiences suffering and death and forgives everyone yada yada

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Every living being is like a toy to the Precursors, is what Ado was trying to say, I think, settling

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Well if a disease or “germ” brought us to near extinction, I would hate said germ

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:47 AM

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The point being normal mortal life is so far, far below these guys, who have seeded galaxies for billions of years.

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:47 AM

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if Jesus was a precursor he'd get back to heaven and then decide to turn everything to hell

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It feels petty of the Precursors to get in their feelings

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:49 AM

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I dont think that matches perfectly, but I get the gist

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 2:49 AM

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You created life, live with the consequences

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Exactly

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And somehow, the forerunners are the ONLY ones to ever rebel?

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:49 AM

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The only ones to rebel.....

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:49 AM

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No other race that was told by the precursors that they would not inherent a mantle just what shrug their shoulders

hasty locust Jan 7, 2020, 2:50 AM

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and suceed

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:50 AM

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They must’ve had a real distaste for humanity to rebel against the Precursors for the sole reason of humanity being given the Mantle

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:50 AM

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True, others were likely erased before

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Mythos says the forerunners found that out by accident

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And that started theirs

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Imagine. Had that never gotten out Halo as we know it, would’ve never happened. All the civilisations would be completely different

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Yep, well maybe

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:52 AM

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More specifically the main thing about Halo, the Installations themselves would’ve never happened, more than likely

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Everyone would still be here. Just not in our current civilizations.

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Well unless the Forerunners did go on a rampage after humanity was given the Mantle

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Although you would have humanity in charge of the galaxy with the mantle

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:52 AM

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^ Which could also be dangerous in itself

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Well no, forerunners would have be erased

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Oh yeah, I keep forgetting about that because it wasn’t done when they did go on a murderous rampage (against the Precursors)

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Yep

inland matrix Jan 7, 2020, 3:02 AM

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The precursors didn’t fight back at all

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They were amazed by what their creations were doing

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But the turned to anger obviously

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And they decided to hibernate for billions of years

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And in their hibernation, they became corrupted into the Flood

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Millions @inland matrix

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Indeed, everything would've been fine if Ancient Humanity hadn't accidently brought them back from the dead.

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Eh someone would have goofed somewhere down the line

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...likely humanity still

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Bit they were just fine before

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Kinda

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Just noticed something interesting on the Halo war 2 DLC

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They entire time voridus and his brutes were fighting the flood, that scarab was active the whole time

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Used to think it had been forced to shut down or killed the colony inside it

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Hmm... why not just fire at the enemies below, even if some of it is friendly fire. Would’ve saved them trouble in the long run

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The Brute forces down by the entrance clearly couldn’t handle the flood forces flowing out of High Charity

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Probably because their commander was down there no?

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Likely worth the loss

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He was the idiot who opened it, after his chieftain told him not too, and his brother told hin not too multiple times

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Domt see him returning in any future.material

inner basin Jan 7, 2020, 5:46 AM

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He may now appear in future material, but if he was to be killed off then, I doubt anyone would’ve REALLY cared. I mean at that point he was a nobody

remote spruce Jan 7, 2020, 6:37 AM

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It's implied a crew is recommended but like a lot of Halo vehicles, it can still be solo crew

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The Banished one that is

random fable Jan 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Aren’t Scarabs made up of the same thing as Hunters? Or am I wrong? Because if that is the thing then could it technically pilot itself?

gilded mason Jan 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Aren’t Scarabs made up of the same thing as Hunters?
Ye

sleek star Jan 7, 2020, 7:04 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICfbc39KqmI&feature=em-uploademail The History of Emile's skull and Noble Team's TOP SECRET Counter-Insurrection Operations

stoic hamlet Jan 7, 2020, 7:13 AM

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I don’t remember Xperia being so clickbaity

remote spruce Jan 7, 2020, 7:31 AM

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It's been like that for a long time

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I assume the videos are good

versed helm Jan 7, 2020, 7:45 AM

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I mean... The video does explain both of those things...

stoic hamlet Jan 7, 2020, 7:45 AM

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What sources does he give?

versed helm Jan 7, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Fistful of arrows

stoic hamlet Jan 7, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Not canon

versed helm Jan 7, 2020, 7:46 AM

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True, but ive heard 343 was planning on publishing it.

stoic hamlet Jan 7, 2020, 7:47 AM

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....I don’t think they can?

versed helm Jan 7, 2020, 7:49 AM

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https://twitter.com/LeviWasTaken/status/575369373734412288

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They did contact the writer about it

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 8:23 AM

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It's still not Canon however

indigo thorn Jan 7, 2020, 8:44 AM

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are there any explorer vessel or dedicated people discovering the universe like in trek?

keen canopy Jan 7, 2020, 8:49 AM

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There are salvagers

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You might like Smoke and Shadow, and Renegades

versed helm Jan 7, 2020, 2:23 PM

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true, though both 343 and bungie have acknowledged it over the years as if it were canon, all 343 has to do is say its canon at this point.

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Pretty much

feral perch Jan 7, 2020, 3:32 PM

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I don’t think it’s quite that simple.

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If it were, why not canonize it already?

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Maybe the creator wants credit? Who knows

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Btw, have we been a covenant shotgun yet? Not counting the mauler as that's brute tech

true shadow Jan 7, 2020, 4:15 PM

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imo the energy sword and gravity hammer fill that category. A short range weapon that does devastating damage vs players.

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That and vice versa can be applied to the shotgun coz it fills the role of melee weapons on the side of the UNSC

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 4:17 PM

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I just find it kind of absurd that the sangheili could have gotten all the way to making plasma weaponry, but s shotgun never appears

true shadow Jan 7, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Maybe it has something to do with honour and culture i.e. if you’re that close to your opponent then use your physical strength against theirs

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Maybe

true shadow Jan 7, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Which would give some nice added lore to the energy sword imo

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 4:21 PM

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They did t have the energy sword though before the covenant was made, they had curve bladed

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And burn blades

obsidian thistle Jan 7, 2020, 4:21 PM

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This reminds me of a Shotgun in a sense https://www.halopedia.org/Type-50_concussion_rifle

Halopedia

Type-50 concussion rifle

The Type-50 Directed Energy Rifle/Heavy (T50 DER/H), commonly known as the Concussion Rifle, is a Covenant infantry weapon. The general design of the Concussion Rifle was engineered by a group of Sangheili merchants from Qikost long before the signing of the Writ of Union; wh...

true shadow Jan 7, 2020, 4:22 PM

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ik, what I meant by that is that in a way they’ve managed to preserve their old honour and culture through newer methods

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Always saw the concussion rifle as a clearing weapon sure, but it doesnt fill an area like a shotgun

true shadow Jan 7, 2020, 4:23 PM

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You’d be more likely to hurt yourself if you were to use it like a shotgun

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Yea

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Must have been something though unless they never hunted flying fowl

stoic hamlet Jan 7, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I mean, tbf, they don’t really need a shotgun

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Plasma is absurdly good in the lore

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 7:27 PM

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True

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One pretty much a grenade .launcher with plasma

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The repeater...bungie did day it's the assautlt rifle of the covenant

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@versed helmconcussion too

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I wouldn't put the storm in the same page

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Its only good at very close range

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And yes, to me the plasma rifle will ialways be that. That's what. Bungie said thoufh

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The plasma launcher?

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Welcome

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It is

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It was. Nice

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Indeed it did

versed helm Jan 7, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Does anyone have an explanation for the promethean soldiers? I know the knights are organics turned robot, but what are the soldiers?

gilded mason Jan 7, 2020, 8:27 PM

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AI

carmine sleet Jan 7, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Specifically Armiegers (Please tell if I spelt that right)

gilded mason Jan 7, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Armiger, I think

carmine sleet Jan 7, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Ah, thanks

versed helm Jan 7, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Well if the forerunners had ai robots to fight the flood, then why did they need knights?

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Logic plagie

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It turns ai the flood cause

humble yacht Jan 7, 2020, 8:33 PM

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well for one thing, the Promethean knights weren't exactly an effective way of combating the Flood

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at the macro level

carmine sleet Jan 7, 2020, 8:34 PM

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The Forerunners were losing and the Ur-Didact didn't like the idea of using Halos, so he created the Promethean constructs

humble yacht Jan 7, 2020, 8:34 PM

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yeah

versed helm Jan 7, 2020, 8:34 PM

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I forgot about the logic plague

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Wonder if the covenant ever encountered the logic plague or a gravemind before
Or if f they learned if them purely from forerunner records

humble yacht Jan 7, 2020, 9:08 PM

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records

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Logic plague requires a Gravemind and as far as we know, the I05 Gravemind is the first the covenant have come into contact with

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Guess so until we know if the covenant ever faced a gravemind level outbreak before

humble yacht Jan 7, 2020, 9:44 PM

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they can disassemble and reassemble in new places

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dunno

versed helm Jan 7, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Dark Magic

agile tangle Jan 7, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Yo, I’ve been getting back into Halo recently due to Reach being added into MCC and wanted to know if Halo Legends was cannon?

gilded mason Jan 7, 2020, 10:49 PM

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The events, but not the visuals

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And Odd One Out is completely non-canon.

agile tangle Jan 7, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Ok thanks

obsidian thistle Jan 7, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Visuals at times can be debated.

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So take it as you will

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 11:03 PM

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I still say the duel was visually canon as well
Just for the sheer awesomeness of it

gilded mason Jan 7, 2020, 11:03 PM

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I still say the duel was visually canon as well```
No thanks

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Actually especially no thanks on that one. 😋

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Ok correction, the action, visual action

gilded mason Jan 7, 2020, 11:03 PM

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That's acceptable

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Should have clarified

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Not the Japanese buildings or....her

gilded mason Jan 7, 2020, 11:04 PM

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I won't have you branded for heresy yet

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 11:04 PM

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I thank you my liege

versed helm Jan 7, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Since Los Angeles still exists in the Halo universe,does that mean Hollywood still exists?

terse lava Jan 7, 2020, 11:25 PM

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If it does, the halo movie still will not have been made yet

feral perch Jan 7, 2020, 11:25 PM

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gg

glacial dock Jan 8, 2020, 12:12 AM

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@versed helm Is spartan 1337 from the anime parody lol?

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 12:13 AM

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odd one out halo legends

glacial dock Jan 8, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Aww yea the dbz parody was so stupid

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 12:14 AM

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it was fun

glacial dock Jan 8, 2020, 12:14 AM

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I liked the mech one more

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 12:15 AM

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the prototype?

glacial dock Jan 8, 2020, 12:17 AM

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@fair hazel I think dont remember the epidsode name since it was so long ago. All I remember was that it was the epidsode where one marine goes on a rampage against the covenant to avenge a fallen marine

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With a mech of course

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 12:19 AM

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more depth than that but, The Prototype

half apex Jan 8, 2020, 12:51 AM

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wait who is 1337

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imma look it up 😄

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oh there isn't much on him

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._.

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anyways i have a question. does the unsc have a version of the energy sword?

versed helm Jan 8, 2020, 12:53 AM

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On CE the energy sword was gonna have a counterpart

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The M13 Machete

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Spartan 1337 is the non-canon character from odd one out.

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There's the energy bayonet.

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📎 Halo_5_Energy_Blade.png

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Wasnt that also in the halo mmo

versed helm Jan 8, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Halo Titan was it?

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Yes

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That thing had promise

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I think, dont think sangheili were playable -_-

versed helm Jan 8, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Wonder how it would've been like if it had been released.

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 1:54 AM

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No clue

versed helm Jan 8, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Forerunners were gonna be playable though

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Spartans marines and other aliens

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But no Sangheili...

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 1:55 AM

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They might have, but never hard. Saw they were enemies though

versed helm Jan 8, 2020, 1:56 AM

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Yeah I saw concept art of a guy in active Camo about to kill a zealot

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 1:57 AM

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This is a halo 5 thing

versed helm Jan 8, 2020, 1:57 AM

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Yeah it is

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The bayonet

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Also not having slow mode is such a relief in This channel lol

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 2:00 AM

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@fair hazeljuat reminded me of the titan one

tacit stump Jan 8, 2020, 2:12 AM

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‪Just a little theory, what if mendicant bias was using Cortanas form to get close with the master chief to manipulate him into fighting for him, he is known across the universe as the greatest fighter after all and the librarian sort of planned for his existence, it would restore some of the damage halo 5 made to cortanas death as she’d now be considered dead

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Plus mendicant bias could finally be introduced properly in a main line halo game!

obsidian thistle Jan 8, 2020, 2:14 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Energy_Bayonet @fair hazel may help to provide context friend 😉 Not everyone looks at uploaded file names.

Halopedia

Energy Bayonet

An Energy bayonet is a UNSC Weapon attachment that is used to counter personnel in close quarters combat. It generally takes the form of a barrel attachment with a blade similar to that of an Energy Sword.

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Wish we had more lore on it however.

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It just exists...

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Me too, and pictures

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and places where its used in the story

obsidian thistle Jan 8, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Well I can probs get more images of the weapons its on.

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Maybe an image where we see all the bayonet weapons at once would be nice.

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The bayonet is one of my favourite attachments lore/story wise

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Honestly it'd be interesting to me if they somehow made kinetic bolts + energy bayonet and hard light shield the default master chief equipment, or something like that

obsidian thistle Jan 8, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Well

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Ya know

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Kinetic bolts are on a shotgun that has seen use.

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:19 AM

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which is also my favourite boomco weapon..

obsidian thistle Jan 8, 2020, 2:20 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Blaze_of_Glory_(weapon)

Halopedia

Blaze of Glory (weapon)

The Blaze of Glory is a special variant of the M45D Tactical Shotgun. Its chassis is based on that of the normal M45D, but recolored white with red and dark green stripes decorating the front barrel, main body above the fore-end, trigger area, and rear stock, as well as white...

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Nice looking Shotgun I wont lie

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OOHH Discord fixed the ) issue.

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:20 AM

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I honestly think the hard light shield is pretty cool too.

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It looks nice too.

📎 H4-Concept-HardlightShield.png

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:21 AM

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I remember it as one solid thing in h4

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Probably wrong

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:21 AM

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I really want to see more armour abilities and attachments in various halo media

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Again

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:21 AM

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What do you mean

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:22 AM

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All the little floaty bits on the corners and such

obsidian thistle Jan 8, 2020, 2:22 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/6/6a/H4-HardlightShield-Stages.jpg

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:22 AM

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That's the concept art I posted

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:22 AM

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Yeah I prefer that over the ingame one

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:22 AM

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I like halo escalation making use of the armour abilities.

obsidian thistle Jan 8, 2020, 2:22 AM

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There is floaty bits. But not as much as the in-game one.

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Sure it looks nicer but, it sorta leaves gaps in the concept art

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:23 AM

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In game just looks like a tiny floaty bit at the top and bottom

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:23 AM

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This moment is my favourite hard light shield usage in halo.

📎 Halo_Escalation_20.png

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:24 AM

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That Palmer?

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Yes.

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I would like to see in game elites wielding a sword with some kind of shield wether it be a round jackal one or like the h4 hard light one I think it would look coolios

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Like this?

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📎 Elite_PDG.png

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Exactly

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That’s that comic (forgot its name) where Rtas loses his mandible right

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Takes place during Ce with the Like garden ship and the prophet and the flood

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Last Voyage of the infinite succor

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Yes

obsidian thistle Jan 8, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Its in the "Halo Graphic Novel".

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Original name i know xD

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Lol

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Good thing the first halo comic wasn't named. Halo Comic.

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Ha

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:32 AM

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I really like the DSC-class

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Was that the type os ship the garden ship is?

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:33 AM

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It's a support ship

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Provides food, armament, repair rest/hunting grounds, to a fleet

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Ah

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Aren’t those two domes big farms

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Two hunting domes which serve as training areas, recreational zones, cloisters of worship, and animal paddocks.

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Hmm interesting

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Probably the best ship to live on then

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Do I hear talk of covenant things?

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 2:39 AM

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the san'shyuum did really keep those ships exclusive though

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honestly it'd be nice to see one of these pop up and sorta serve as the center piece of operational power of a post-war faction

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Play in one in a game

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Be fun

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Would be nice, some ex covenant group that ends up like the red cross, going from system to system to help old covenant worlds

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Yeah

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That seems like a. Missed opportunity To have something like that. H5

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Mhm

tame crystal Jan 8, 2020, 4:43 AM

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you know how the halo multiplayer is supposedly a 'war games' simulation?

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i like to think the campaigns are also simulations too, where they're like a retelling of what happened

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that explains the different difficulties and the differences between each playthrough, and also explains some continuity issues (like CE vs The Flood, CE having very few weapons and halo 2 having no assault rifle)

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 4:51 AM

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The campaigns are literally just gameplay.

I suppose it kind of works, seeing as we have Spartan Assault and Spartan Strike as actual examples of past missions simulated, but stuff that’s there because of gameplay is literally just gameplay.

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Think only halo 2A was what could count as that

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As it appears to be a re telling from thel

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:01 AM

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How strong is Atriox by himself? Could he be comparable to Chief or the Arbiter (Thel), below, or above?

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:05 AM

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He's probably a lot stronger physically than them

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:09 AM

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I wouldn’t be surprised if Atriox mopped the floor with Chief and Thel, he looks so intimidating compared to a lot of past enemies that Chief has gone against

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Idk, in cut content, thel took on the brutes holding johnson in halo 2 solo

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Truthfully though would depend on the situation

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well, it got far enough to be animated

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If you want a better example, a commando sangheili took on chief after the alpha halo battle

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Johnson shot his rifle full auto into the commander's back while the guy sawed through chief's armor with a sword

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The sangheili only grunted and kept going

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Not anymore

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Where the brutes more efficient than the elites when they took over?

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Or did it stay the same?

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:18 AM

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No no, Atriox is dumb muscle as well. 😏

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:19 AM

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@gilded mason👍

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Let's put it this way

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:19 AM

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When Chief first encountered a brute, it was stated that it moved as fast as him while also implying that it was faster than an elite, does that mean brutes are not only stronger than elites but faster as well?

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:19 AM

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The covenant survived 3400 years with sangheili

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:19 AM

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My bad

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:20 AM

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It survived a month with brutes

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:20 AM

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I got a lot of questions

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:20 AM

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I think Broken Circle has an Elite that's faster than his Brute opponent

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So it varies

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:20 AM

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True

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And of course, fal 'chavamee

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Also, we know Elites can move faster than Spartans

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Or at least, some amount can

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Yep, use carried vale like a blur

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Uzse

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:21 AM

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And they jumped the gap without having to use thrusters like the SIVs

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:22 AM

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happy worting

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:22 AM

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With one SIV noting that the Elites were like bullets compared to himself

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But are any faster than K?
Maybe some

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Somewhere

lunar condor Jan 8, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Elites have their own K somewhere

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Man imagine having an entire race as strong as spartans and still losing lmao

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:23 AM

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The covenant were technologically advanced yet they never made their own versions of the spartans, I know they had a group (or groups) that would ambush them and kill them

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Prelates

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San shyuum

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Man imagine having an entire race as strong as spartans and still losing lmao
Lose what?

lunar condor Jan 8, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Hmm i guess the covenant managed to not win long enough that they lost

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:24 AM

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@gilded masoneveryone thinks the covenant/sangheili lost the war

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:24 AM

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And the Elites kinda beat the Covenant for the humans.

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Ah

lunar condor Jan 8, 2020, 6:24 AM

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The Sangheili technically won the war with the humans against the covenant

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:25 AM

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@lunar condoryou do know humans didnt win either right?

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:25 AM

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Ok that also answered another question I had

lunar condor Jan 8, 2020, 6:25 AM

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I mean humans and sangheili are still around cant say the same about the covenant as a whole that counts as a win for me

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:25 AM

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Humans, elites, and the flood basically ended the covenant lol

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Mostly the sangheili

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Indeed

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Flood? High charity and the ark

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Humanity? Same

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Sangheili? Literally everywhere

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:27 AM

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The elites look so intimidating yet they get beat badly by Spartans

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It irritates me

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:27 AM

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The Inverse Ninja rule

agile tangle Jan 8, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Some elites could definitely hold their own against Spartans tho

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Makes me lament the old lore, that had sangheili as the best navy/army after the war while humanity was busy recovering

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Honor

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Also: gameplay

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Why did knights and samurai get swords but not Joe the peasent?

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Exactly

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Shame on joe

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Well, nobles can only get energy swords in civilian settings

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In the military, it's all fine

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I dunno. Ask France, Spain, Rome, etc

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:36 AM

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Well minors cant wield them...though seems lore forgot that

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Too young and lack of experience

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You going to give the sword to the trained commander, or the eager minor?

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Majors can apparently wield them

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Major on up

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Gameplay.

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:39 AM

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For the very reason they are for higher ups

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And that

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Not horribly often, when they do appear usually by high ranks

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The commando who fought john, major Thel 'Lodamee, fleetmaster Voro Nar 'Mantakree, characters from modern day broken circle, to name a few

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Oh, thel's minors did too

sleek star Jan 8, 2020, 8:43 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyne4UORaw4&feature=em-uploademail Spartan II's father searched 30+ YEARS for her (HEARTBREAKING ENDING) - Halo Lore

lunar condor Jan 8, 2020, 11:57 AM

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Afaik if thats from the kilo-five trilogy it wasnt even a heartbreaking ending

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Maybe bittersweet

obsidian thistle Jan 8, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Anyone want a weird piece of trivia? 😄

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http://halo.bungie.net/projects/halo3/content.aspx?link=h3pistol

Bungie.net : Halo Universe: The M6G Pistol : 8/15/2007 4:17 PM PDT

The modification package to the latest revision of the M6 pistol series: The M6G PDWS.

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The Halo 3 M6G (and I am referring about the Halo 3 version) is more a modification package to the latest revision than a actual M6G itself.

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This would in theory allow the M6C branding to be on it. Via either the og weapon being a M6C or the modification package using M6C parts.

obsidian sapphire Jan 8, 2020, 2:09 PM

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does anyone know how big the post war unsc navy is

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like 5 years after the end of the war

solid fox Jan 8, 2020, 3:09 PM

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@obsidian sapphire It did expand rapidly with the adaption of Forerunner tech.... I would assume maybe the size of the peak war fleet before harvest

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The addition of Autumn class ship and The Infinity bolstered the UNSC navy immensly

carmine sleet Jan 8, 2020, 3:22 PM

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@versed helm That one they linked is HaloFollower

gleaming mauve Jan 8, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Just out of interest - does High Altitude Low Opening have anything to do with halo?

carmine sleet Jan 8, 2020, 3:41 PM

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HALO jumps are sometimes performed by Spartans or ODSTs

sleek star Jan 8, 2020, 4:03 PM

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casue i like to share Halo new and im big Halo fan @versed helm

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that one was HALO FOLLOWER video

wicked pasture Jan 8, 2020, 4:06 PM

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english isnt your first language is it @sleek star

vast mortar Jan 8, 2020, 4:16 PM

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hello

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echo echo echo

sleek star Jan 8, 2020, 4:19 PM

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english is MY ONLY language @wicked pasture

vast mortar Jan 8, 2020, 4:20 PM

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me no englac

carmine sleet Jan 8, 2020, 4:28 PM

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HaloFollower is known to get facts wrong in his video, which isn't great when its news or you're trying to introduce the lore to someone new

unique rune Jan 8, 2020, 4:29 PM

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To this day I still haven’t gotten over the fact that he consistently pronounced Emile-A239’s name like “Emily”.

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Ew

vast mortar Jan 8, 2020, 4:30 PM

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how do you mess that up

feral perch Jan 8, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I don't mean to bash, but his channel is the only place I have heard "recession" pronounced "rekession"

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Oh no. Emile is a French name.

versed helm Jan 8, 2020, 5:44 PM

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On a scale of 1-10

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Probably 4

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He isnt a psycho

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Imagine Emile as the Halo equivalent the Punisher

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He's just very angry his family died

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And uses that as a catalyst in war

carmine sleet Jan 8, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I don't think they have a scale on how much of a psychopath someone is

vast mortar Jan 8, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I agree

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are you sure about that

versed helm Jan 8, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Well he asked "how high" so I put on a scale

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Otherwise no, there really isnt a scale for how psychopathic someone is

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 6:05 PM

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A psychopath is someone with a complete lack of empathy

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Emile doesn’t completely lack empathy

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At least not with other Spartans

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 6:42 PM

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He lacks empathy towards his enemies/covenant and insurgents, which isn’t necessarily unexpected. Most of not all III’s would lack empathy towards Covenant, seeing as how they lost everything because of them.

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 6:46 PM

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The Spartan-IIIs are unable to humanise their enemies due to how much they’ve lost. Most if not all were described as vengeful orphans.

hollow meadow Jan 8, 2020, 6:48 PM

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He also butt heads with Jorge who is basically Emile's polar opposite. Rather than being a vengeful spirit hellbent on leaving his opponents drowning in a pool of their own blood, Jorge is more of the gentle giant with his motivation to fight being to protect his fellow humans.

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Jun too

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 6:53 PM

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He still doesn’t like the Covenant though. If we were to go off a Fistful of Arrows as canon (which is all but confirmed as canon with some 343 employees seeing it as canon I believe), Emile and Jorge just bantered back and forth a bit more than being antagonistic to each other.

That section in Winter Contingency was however a genuine clash as Jorge was a bit more sensitive about the girl losing her father but Emile didn’t view it as such. At least that’s my interpretation of the bigger picture

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 6:56 PM

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True

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 7:06 PM

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A fistful of arrows is definitely not canon

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Not saying it is canon as of this point. But there were plans to make it canon years ago (which unfortunately fell through), but some people in the 343 office consider it canon, Bungie said it years ago too, and it fits in the canon perfectly.

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:28 PM

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And again, I’m not saying it is canon, like I said above. But even so, it sounds like an accurate depiction of the two Spartans in that book. I just wish 343 would make it canon in the future

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Heard of the sequel? For A Few Arrows More

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I have heard of it, but not read it

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:29 PM

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And then the other sequel, The Good, The Bad, and The Dinos

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Which is why he isn’t

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Who is spartan 1337

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Do Spartan 4’s even have numbers anymore

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Don’t think so

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But then spartan IVs aren’t leaving their identities behind to become Spartans

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:32 PM

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So I wonder what the highest spartan number is 🤔 there were 300 Spartans in beta and alpha companies so that’s up to 450, so how many were in gamma?

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In gamma alone?

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Dang

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So highest spartan would be G770

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Whoops G780

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Wouldn’t the numbers reset with the new class

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Well Emile was A2 something, something

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A239

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And I think they had 150 in alpha

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And 150 in beta

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:35 PM

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No, 300 in Alpha and Beta

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:35 PM

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300 in alpha nd 300 in beta

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Like there is a B004

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So the numbers had to reset

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:36 PM

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I’m pretty confident they did

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Ah

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Ok

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Training companies were larger than 300 tho

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Thanks for clearing that up for me

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:37 PM

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And numbers were based on training company size, not final company size

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:37 PM

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If you go to Gammas, they have 001-330 in their tags instead of 601-930

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Okey dokey

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:37 PM

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The numbers reset

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Donk, it’s a good read imo, but that’s because I love S-III lore

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:37 PM

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I’m re-reading everything this year before infinite

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:37 PM

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The highest Spartan III would actually be from Alpha Company

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:38 PM

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I’m on first strike (started at fall of reach)

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:38 PM

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At least potentially, as they had 497 candidates.

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Yeah

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Crazy how they had to relegate over 197 candidates

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:39 PM

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In before they reveal the secret “omega company” that’s been hidden all this time

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Most of them became DI’s/the companies seemingly had more than 300 assigned to them

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Yeah I am aware of that, Canadian, but it’s still crazy

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:40 PM

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I think a rough estimate of how many were augmented from Alpha and Beta was 350 or so, each.

Maybe 325.

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Wouldn’t the resetting cause confusing cause in the reach game they are sometimes mentioned as s-???

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:40 PM

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No

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:40 PM

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I guess they are all dead though

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:40 PM

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In cases like that you’d use their letter prefix

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Spartan 3s used they’re full designation

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:40 PM

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They had the letters in after the Sierra, settling

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Including letter prefix

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Noble six never called himself 312

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It was b312

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:41 PM

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^ It would be S-B312

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Sure

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:41 PM

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If you included the “Spartan” in front

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Point is, he wouldn’t forget the B

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Carter is mentioned as Sierra-259 but more then likely G-259 and B-259 are dead

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At one point

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Who calls carter simply 259?

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And when

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:42 PM

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One moment please

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Colonel Holland

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:42 PM

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He’s referring to Dot in the PoA opening cutscene too

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Also Dot

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G-259 likely isn’t dead

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I’d chalk that up to production error

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:43 PM

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B-259 I definitely think is

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Or due to their being no other S-259’s in the operational area

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Well, technically Kat and Six might have appeared in Ghosts of Onyx, just unnamed.

All of Noble bar Jorge did, actually

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Well.....yeah

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Yes, that is Noble Six

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Back, can’t find where but I swear it says it

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Some parts do, some parts don’t

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Yes, it does Donk, I didn’t say it doesn’t

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Likely during that training exercise where Tom and Lucy and the rest of Beta ambush the DI’s. Unless he was knocked out beforehand.

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:46 PM

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No, I just call him 6 for short

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:46 PM

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He’s simply saying Spartan B-312 is Noble Six, the player character.

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But yeah, all of Noble appeared during Ghosts, they were just unnamed.

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He has to have, yes.

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When Kurt first addressed all of Alpha

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He’d be there

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:48 PM

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He would be, considering he was training in Alpha. He died in April, 2552 (the same year as the event TFoR)

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:48 PM

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I wonder how many spartan 3’s are left

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Every Alpha Spartan we know of, Hazel and Carter and their BS ages ncluded

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I’ve gotten the count to about 331 @hasty locust

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As of 2553

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:49 PM

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331, mostly gamma right

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Yes

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323 Gamma, 4 Alpha, 4 Beta

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That are known about

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There could be more

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:49 PM

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I wonder if those other fireteams mentioned at the end of new Alexandria survived

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:49 PM

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There are also Spartan-III Headhunters active post-war, but we don’t have a count, just know there are some

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:49 PM

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may be fairer to say that all of noble team was present during events of GoO, rather than actually in the book

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Well, we know one member did @hasty locust Kevin A-282.

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Except Jorge, Chimera

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Which team he was with we don’t know.

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Interesting

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:50 PM

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sure, except jorge

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Rest in pepperonis

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Didn’t Owen deploy with a team on Meridian, Canadian?

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:50 PM

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I don’t know

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He may have been lying

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:51 PM

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I believe he mentions it briefly, but yeah the above could be plausible

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Outpost discovery Owen?

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Well, he said it alongside answering how long the Covenant had been there, which we later learn was a lie.

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Yes, settling

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Yes

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Cool, he’s an official lore character

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What book is he in

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Halo: Battle Born

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Battle Born and Meridian Divide @hasty locust

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:52 PM

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(Meridian Divide following Battle Born)

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Everything at Outpost is canon.

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Well, mostly.

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All the exhibits and stuff

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:53 PM

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K, I’ll look into it thanks

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Fireteam Raven is canon, Donk, except for the Chief cameo

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:53 PM

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^^^

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:53 PM

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How is the chief cameo not canon

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The one at the end of the first mission?

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:53 PM

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He was elsewhere at that time

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Because he wouldn’t have been there at the time

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Same with the Ring Experience in Outpost

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The Spartan at the end is a random IV or III

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Could be a 2

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Mayhaps

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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With the one at the end, judging from the PoA ship schematics, where Raven came from wasn’t actually a place you could come from, it was a wall

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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No

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Brain form as the flood calls it

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I thought it was a proto gravemind

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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A Proto-Gravemind was beginning to form

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Shh

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Well

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Be happy we got them

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 7:56 PM

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In the terminal “Keyes” the Gravemind actually speaks, meaning the Proto-Gravemind has connected to the wider collective.

unique rune Jan 8, 2020, 7:56 PM

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food juggernauts
delicious

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Yeah considering there a flood pureform, they shouldn’t be able to be a thing until a Gravemind is formed

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:56 PM

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A couple of Gutas latched onto the side of the PoA, survived slipspace, then got onto alpha halo and got infected into juggernauts. Duh

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 7:57 PM

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the gravemind on I05 had been around for centuries

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maybe more

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it just wasn't anywhere near the events of CE

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 7:57 PM

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That’s the main issue

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Couldn’t a juggernaut be kind of like a carrier, not a pure form but still not resembling any species we know of

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Yes

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Works

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And they decided to keep it cause, why not

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Could be a flood mobile base

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Like an elephant

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So it’s just a hive with legs

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Okay I found out that apparently Flood Juggernauts don’t need a Gravemind, but rather only a Proto considering how one was in the Mona Lisa (which I forgot about), unless that’s another misstep

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 8:00 PM

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So it could just be like a carrier form

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 8:00 PM

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The aforementioned one I said is derived from a Sanghelli

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Potentially, settling

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Glue a couple of humans and covenant together

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Just the way carrier forms are specialised, the Juggernauts are too, a specialised combat form to be exact

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Yeah it says on halopedia it’s a bunch of people glued together by infection forms

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Juggernauts are highly specialized combat forms directed by a seething mass of infection forms linked to multiple hosts. The creature harnesses the hosts' minds to analyze enemy activity and adjust the local Flood strategy accordingly. They have some of the traits associated with full-fledged key minds, including the abilities to synchronize nearby parasites and relay information between distant Flood hordes.

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So they are mobile voltron flood bases

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 8:04 PM

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🤦‍♂️

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reading that makes me hate ATN more and more

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 8:04 PM

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However, whereas the Juggernaut was to be controlled by infection forms, pure forms are created entirely from Flood biomass.

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It says that^ also

fair hazel Jan 8, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I like ATN

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But yeah, people at 343 wanting to make it canon doesnt mean they consider it canon [being canon]

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Still makes a good discussion point about a FFoA, but yeah I am aware that argument isn’t the best justification, erick

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 8:07 PM

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What is ATN?

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Or what does it stand for I should say

humble yacht Jan 8, 2020, 8:12 PM

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awakening the nightmare

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Ah, ok thanks

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 9:26 PM

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Can I just ask if we have any material coming out expanding into the Spartan-II program’s candidates, particularly Spartan-116?

I ask this because someone on Waypoint was saying that this Spartan is their favourite Spartan in the universe (in a reply to one of my polls) and I was wondering if I am missing something. I couldn’t find anything on Halopedia either.

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 9:28 PM

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All I found on 116 on Halopedia is this:
The status of candidates 116, 118, 119, 121, 123, and 124 after September 10, 2517 is unknown

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 9:29 PM

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That’s all I saw too so I had to ask in case Halopedia hadn’t updated on any material. Thanks for the clarification Ostral. Hmm... I assume his response will be... interesting.

gilded mason Jan 8, 2020, 9:31 PM

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lol

tame crystal Jan 8, 2020, 10:20 PM

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wait, were the vehicle crosshairs always centered in the halo games?

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Don’t know what that has to do with the lore unless a topic relating to the HUD was going to come in as a follow up.

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Human or sangheili hud? Chief and others seem to have a canon hud based off things like the package

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 11:35 PM

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The motion tracker, shield, at the very least.

But the in-game HUD lacks stuff the EU has.

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Like, status lights

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Which would be interesting to have

terse lava Jan 8, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Yea, dont think those have ever appeared oddly enough

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Like being able to look at the top right and see who’s alive, or if they are fighting etc

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 11:37 PM

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TEAMBIO as well

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Or top left

stoic hamlet Jan 8, 2020, 11:37 PM

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That’s canon

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Also canon

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Those are probably not canon

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But the human ones would be. By the time of the games so would the Covenant.

hasty locust Jan 8, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I just don’t think it’s very practical though, like what’s the point

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Unless it was some kind of system to show the diagnostic of said weapon, like if it would turn red as it heats, etc

inner basin Jan 8, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Maybe Mjolnir scans the weapon being held by the user to give the weapon outline a canonical reason. I doubt that’s the case, but food for thought?

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 12:02 AM

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So Jackals can speak English in Halo 5?

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I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing?

gilded mason Jan 9, 2020, 12:06 AM

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It’d make sense. Every other race can.

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Jackals have been able to speak English prior to 2558. I’m pretty sure they were able to speak English in 2535 since they were trading with humans on the Rubble in that year. Ofc this was a covert plan by Truth to get the humans to reveal humanity’s home planet to him I believe.

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Though jackals were always weird

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 12:13 AM

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That they were

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Although, a jackal version of treasure island would be funny

simple locust Jan 9, 2020, 12:44 AM

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What weapons did the San'Shyuum use during the War of Wills and the War of Beginnings? Did they alter the Sentinel Aggressors during their war with the elites? What weapons did members below the Hiearchs have?

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 12:47 AM

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I wanna see a picture of a burnblade

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 1:21 AM

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@simple locustduring the war of wills, its implied they used basaltic weaponry like humanity. Against sangheili, pulse rifle weaponry and sentinels. Far as we know, these sentinels were not altered outside of being able to communicate with san shyuum "eye" probes. Normal san shyuum had gravity cannon weapons in their chairs, but far weaker then the hierarchs.

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@versed helmbelive thr best we have are curve blades, only difference being one was capable of generating heat while the other was just a normal blade

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 1:22 AM

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The jackal goonies

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 1:22 AM

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@hasty locust jackal sparrow

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Lol

tame crystal Jan 9, 2020, 2:08 AM

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oh whoops i accidentally posted the hud question in here

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i thought i was in #644651849647128606, i forgot my last post was in this room, sorry

simple locust Jan 9, 2020, 2:11 AM

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@terse lava Is there a description for how the Pulse Rifle looked or handled? Also I'm an unfamiliar with basaltic weapons, are the stone weapons or similar to swords? Also are the normal San Shyuum chairs based on other covenant weapons such as the canons regret has are similar to those of the hunters so is there a weapon equivalent to their chair weapon?

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Maybe he means ballistic weaponry, but typo’d?

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Yep typo

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Just normal bullet weapons. As for the chairs, I am unsure. Mgalekgolo cannons fire a gel, where the chair's weapons are only called "gravity cannons."

simple locust Jan 9, 2020, 3:24 AM

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@terse lava OK thank you. Also is there info on how the pulse rifle looked or handled? Also in Halo Wars 1 the prophet starts off with plasma rifles before his cannons. Also do you know what weapons Stewards had?

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 3:40 AM

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No pictures? Regret does start off with plasma weaponry and later fuel, but no gravity cannon there. None could say though lesser san shyuum may have that plasma weapon though. As for the final one, pulse rifles

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We know English was used when talking with Johnson

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As for chief, and after defeating tartarus, who knows?

simple locust Jan 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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@terse lava I assumed he had the rifles just on his chair since they have the same sound but it is neat. Also what weapons did the elites use in their early wars before joining the covenant and their war with the Prophets?

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Sangheili used plasma

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They had developed it long before the war of beginnings

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 4:16 AM

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So who or what was this "prisoner" that taught the Ussans a form of meditation?

simple locust Jan 9, 2020, 4:51 AM

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@terse lava Also were you intending original to say more about the Pulse Rifles or is there no information about how the look and function? It seems in you end mid sentence in "As for the final one, pulse rifles
" unless I missed something.

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 4:59 AM

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@versed helmno one knows

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@simple locustnothing else, no clue what they looked like. My last comment was answering you on what weaponry they used

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Depleted uranium rounds

simple locust Jan 9, 2020, 5:13 AM

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@terse lava Also what were the combat difference between the reformists and the stoics?

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Think the only thing we know there was that their technolgy was similar at the time

obsidian sapphire Jan 9, 2020, 12:49 PM

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does anyone know what the covenant thougt of the humans

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i know some elite's respected the humans but what about the rest of the covenant

obsidian sapphire Jan 9, 2020, 2:09 PM

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yeah but like post war

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 2:32 PM

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Opinions varied, some liked, some tolerated, some hated

true shadow Jan 9, 2020, 2:34 PM

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I read somewhere on one of the wikis that some elites migrated to earth to seek political asylum

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 3:19 PM

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some even suggested the humans into the covenant

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Would you believe me if I said that Halo is a multiverse?

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Ik it's not canon, but what if it was?

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Then every alternate form of Halo would be canon

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And it would explain many plot holes in the Halo universe

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It would honestly seem legit to be canon

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What do you think bout this, peeps?

feral perch Jan 9, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Keep the multiverse stuff in DC. I don’t want alternate timeline anything in Halo

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 4:07 PM

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and ben 10 lol

full forge Jan 9, 2020, 4:32 PM

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How fast could a spartan bike in full armor, on a bicycle designed to support their weight?

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Asking the real questions today.

stoic hamlet Jan 9, 2020, 4:38 PM

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As fast as the bike can move. They’d be restricted by the bikes top speed.

full forge Jan 9, 2020, 4:39 PM

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And is that top speed anywhere near a Spartan's running top speed?

wicked pasture Jan 9, 2020, 4:51 PM

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This is hard to calculate because there isn't a consistent relationship between run speed and cycling speed.

carmine sleet Jan 9, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Using the multiverse to explain plot holes isn't the right way of using the multiverse @versed helm

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Multiverse stories are used to give alternate takes on events we've already seen where things happen differently due to one or more factors

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Besides, all those other universes are drained before life develops

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Speaking of bicycles,do motorcycles still exist in the Halo universe?

unique rune Jan 9, 2020, 5:34 PM

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...Why wouldn’t they?

carmine sleet Jan 9, 2020, 5:44 PM

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It would be odd if they suddenly forgot what motorbikes were in universe

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Like, the Mongoose is a quadbike so it would be logical that motorbikes exist as well

stoic hamlet Jan 9, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Obviously we need to take the casual approach.

If we don’t see it it doesn’t exist anymore.

wicked pasture Jan 9, 2020, 5:53 PM

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we would have seen the grackle in the mmo but they canceled it

unique rune Jan 9, 2020, 6:13 PM

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HW2 also had the Jackrabbit, which is... basically a motorcycle.

Plus Ruwan Ackerson was still running around in an old Pontiac GTO in the 26th century so even if motorcycles were outmoded by something, there’s bound to be some niche group that still swears by them.

fair hazel Jan 9, 2020, 6:13 PM

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tricycle

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Hell yeah, UNSC iguana tactical 3 wheeled peddled reconnaissance vehicle

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 6:54 PM

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So what is average San'Shyuum lifespan?

indigo thorn Jan 9, 2020, 6:57 PM

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is the unsc capable of time travel?

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 7:00 PM

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No

obsidian thistle Jan 9, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Short answer "No".

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 7:00 PM

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@versed helm few hundred years. Ancient ones though were far longer, a leader among them managed to live for 10,000 years

obsidian thistle Jan 9, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Long answer: The only case of time travel sent fragments of a broken AI (and other data related stuff) back to 2004. This however was an accident and a fluke

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And the only explaination of what type of Timetravel it is, is an annoyingly vague tweet from frankie that doesnt explain it. Bar "it happened".

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Wasn't that the whole I Love Bees thing?

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Yea pretty sure

obsidian thistle Jan 9, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Yep. It be canon. But this is the closest we have to any explation on its timetravel.

https://twitter.com/franklez/status/1213565956535902208?s=19

Frank O'Connor (@franklez)

@cia391 Well I suppose even in loose framing it depends if you believe that each (per wave function collapse? Or non trivial event?) outcome branches a new reality or not. Or whether you consider the fiction of ILB, this reality, and the game fiction to be branches/outcome...

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That was in response to me trying to work out what sorta timetravel it was. In short it has no answer atm.

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Either its closed loop (aka the Timetravel always happened)

Or its open and new timelines are created.

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 7:06 PM

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How old was Mercy when he died?

gilded mason Jan 9, 2020, 7:06 PM

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About 220

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Sucks that he died

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Well he was certainly no saint

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 7:08 PM

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True

vast mortar Jan 9, 2020, 7:08 PM

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hello

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Heck, 3400 years of covenant history, and mercy was still part of a group that thought it was wrong to decommission the keyship

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Greetings @vast mortar

vast mortar Jan 9, 2020, 7:10 PM

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what we talking about

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 7:10 PM

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San shyuum

vast mortar Jan 9, 2020, 7:10 PM

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alright

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Speaking of San'Shyuum...is Janjur Qom still around or what?

gilded mason Jan 9, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Unknown, but possibly

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Iirc,didn't it say that the Reformists lied about its destruction?

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Implied

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Oh yea..filter

gilded mason Jan 9, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Eyup

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 7:14 PM

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San shyuum who studied the plasma ball warming their home had concluded the thing was near the end

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 7:15 PM

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what ever happened to the prophet of rhyme 👀

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If Janjur Qom is around and that is a big if,would that mean that the Stoics are still around?

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And what about the Prophet of Swag?

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Lost a rap battle to the sangheili fieldmaster of swag @versed helm

gilded mason Jan 9, 2020, 7:16 PM

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would that mean that the Stoics are still around?
They might, but 3000 years is a long time for culture to change.

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Indeed

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 7:16 PM

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indeed rhyme didnt even know how to rhyme, ironic.

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Maybe they are tier 2 now... but who knowa

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Where in the galaxy is the San'Shyuum home system?

obsidian thistle Jan 9, 2020, 7:24 PM

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We actually dont know

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Even if we used our own (which isnt canon to Halos) we dont know

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 7:36 PM

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It did say that their home system is somewhat similar to the Sol System

carmine sleet Jan 9, 2020, 8:47 PM

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That doesn't mean it would be close to ours though

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Is Chips Dubbo still alive?

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Yes

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No

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Maybe so

unique rune Jan 9, 2020, 10:15 PM

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the real question you should be asking is Did he ever really exist in the first place

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Well his canonical status is up in the air so to speak

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Well

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Maybe he'll make an appearance in infinite

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343pls

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 10:20 PM

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I think 343 should address which events he did canonically take part in, as well as which ones his voice can be heard in, but it wasn’t actually his character. The main issues for this is the Battle of Installation-04 and the Battle of Installation-05, respectively.

This issue follows suit for Stacker too. Is he an ODST or a regular Marine? He keeps switching the BDU he is wearing. He also has made an appearance in the battles listed above, but how did he and Chips escape both? People speculate there was another craft that escaped 04, and that the Elites brought the humans back on 05, but eh, idk...

versed helm Jan 9, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Wasn't Chips in ODST too?

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 10:39 PM

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Don’t think so. We’ve never seen him as an ODST in any game. We only know Stacker as an ODST due to “A Day at the Beach” cinematic cutscene.

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This was made by Bungie back in the day I believe, but was remastered by 343 along with H2A

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 10:50 PM

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ooooo a Marcus Stacker mention

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my favourite thing ever

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We’ve never seen him as an ODST in any game. We only know Stacker as an IDST due to “A Day at the Beach” cinematic cutscene.

@inner basin He appears as an ODST Sergeant twice in the games. In Delta Halo alongside John, and also on the Ark in the generator assault.

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We know ODST's can suit up as regular Marines.

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Also there's no definitive evidence Stacker was actually ever on Installation 04 at all.

Since we have an almost concrete placing of him in New Alexandria as Kilo 40, he would have had only a week to make his way to another continent, and somehow end up aboard the Pillar of Autumn during it's extremely brief touchdown on the planet.

100% of his Scripted dialogue in Halo CE belongs to other characters canonically, and he's not listed in the game's credits as a character, while Chips Dubbo is.

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:03 PM

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That’s why his canonical status can be dubious at best

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:03 PM

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It's not dubious at all

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He is named in Halo 4

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:03 PM

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For some events it most certainly is

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:04 PM

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He's named in Another Day at the Beach. The vidoc showed internal documentation of each character's in-universe names.

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And his is "Stacker"

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Installation-05? We gonna just forget that he was supposedly present there?

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:05 PM

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He was, who does Arbiter rescue at the end of Great Journey?

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Three people, the same people, every time. The three sergeants from Halo 2: Johnson, Banks and Stacker.

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Well no, Johnson was the only Marine in the Scarab, Arbiter was in the Banshee and Miranda was with Tartarus in the control room. We don’t see the other Marines leave

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:07 PM

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How do you know Johnson was the only Marine in the Scarab?

Stacker and Banks are standing right there, the cutscene happens, and after the cutscene they're not there.

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Well that’s just assuming they are in there.

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:08 PM

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You're right that we can't assuming they're in the Scarab

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But we can't assume they're not either.

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Which is why it can be dubious at times

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Not every little thing needs to be explained haha

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We still don't know how Jun escaped Reach

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Well we do

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Or how Thomas Chang escaped Installation-04

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:10 PM

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We don’t know that

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But we also don’t know how Chips escaped

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:10 PM

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We don't know that he did escape.

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Well he supposedly did

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There’s speculation of him escaping on a different craft of sorts, maybe a stolen Phantom?

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I haven't been talking about speculation

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 11:12 PM

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What about stacker

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He probably got out with him

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Stacker wasn’t at Installation-04, at least if we’re going off what eezy said

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Dubious @hasty locust

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Anyhow beast, a better example is how stacker survived the quarantine zone

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 11:13 PM

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343 should bring him back just for some dialogue with buck, so he can say something like “brings you back to delta, eh chief” and buck objects saying he saw him in Mombasa

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Because once he's saved with Johnson, getting back to earth from I-05 is smooth sailing.

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:15 PM

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It is smooth sailing cause the other events are pretty clearly outlined. The UNSC troops weren’t massacred at I-00, but were at I-05 because of the Flood (same with I-04 but Melissa did some damage to the forces there too)

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:15 PM

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We know he wasn't captured with Miranda and Johnson, but we also know from those Marines John broke out that the Covenant took other prisoners to High Charity

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Maybe we shouldn’t stereotype and every Aussie isn’t the same person

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Or chip’s is a top secret ONI cloning program in the Australian city of Dubbo

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:16 PM

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We aren’t talking about Chips

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It’s Stacker we’re discussing

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:16 PM

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The presence of Banks & Stacker make me speculate that Truth kept the leaders together for extra questioning/to reduce risk of escape

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Ah, okey

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:17 PM

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I always thought Banks was killed by the Scarab on Earth before IAC follows Regret to I-05

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But I know he actually isn’t dead, it just gives that impression

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As for your theory, it’s plausible

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We knew Truth did a lot of covert activities behind the other Hierarchs back’s

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Keeping the leaders separate from the prisoners seems logical anyway

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Maybe...

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But it is a BIG grey area rn

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The canonical status of people and the surrounding events happening on I-05 aren’t crystal clear per say, but it can be explained through speculation for now

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:21 PM

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You wanna hear a possible explanation?

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I've thought about this long ago, I just can't put it on the wiki obviously

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Didn’t the covenant not use to take prisoners? What changed their minds?

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Truth needing reclaimers to fire the rings.

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Ah

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Awsome

inner basin Jan 9, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Never thought you were a Wiki writer even though anyone can be one

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:25 PM

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everyone should be one 😛

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Misinformed people shouldn’t, that’s when you get “shrek was a world war hero, fighting in both wars with a KD of 1000.739 due to his Mountain Dew obsession”

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But that’s sick, that you’re a wiki writer

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:30 PM

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The position outside the Library had machine gun turrets set up, and dozens of marine combat forms. This means that Johnson and Miranda actually arrived to the Library with a significant force. As Arbiter, we hear Stacker on radio, so we know that he's present in the Quarantine Zone. Seeing as he's alive the most obvious explanation would be that he linked up with other forces and made it to the Library.

There were a bunch of flood around the Library, and Arbiter's platform was only seconds behind the Humans'. It's far too much Flood for Johnson, Miranda, Mkenzie and Perez to handle alone. So it's probable there were many more marines aboard the humans' platform. As it leaves only moments before the Arbiter witnesses no human survivors at the encampment, that means Stacker was likely aboard the platform.

Johnson entered the Library with Miranda, took two marines to cover the door, and left everyone else to guard the platform for their escape. The platform was overrun quickly so the surviving marines abandoned the platform and retreated inside the Library. Stacker, Banks, and the marines John rescues in Gravemind were possibly this bunch, captured by Tartarus and his brutes, at Truth's orders.

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 11:31 PM

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That’s a good analysis

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Anyhow I think Halo 2 would make an amazing movie

hollow meadow Jan 9, 2020, 11:46 PM

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It would. I mean H2A's cutscenes work wonderfully for a CGI Halo film

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Imagine if we got to know the Marines a bit better, then have to watch them die to flood, then a few seconds later watch the Arbiter and Rtas' show up and slice them all to pieces

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Halo 2 would make a sick movie, or ce’s novilisation

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I don’t call it the flood as often cause people get confused

terse lava Jan 9, 2020, 11:48 PM

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@keen canopythat makes a whole lot of sense.

keen canopy Jan 9, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Piecing things together from limited information is half the fun of being a lore fan am I right

hasty locust Jan 9, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Yes and the speculation

terse lava Jan 10, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Correct

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Come to think of it

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How did thel, Johnson, and miranda get to earth?

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Used to think just some random sangheili vessel, yet we never hear of it helping the battle

hasty locust Jan 10, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Well in awakening the nightmare cutscenes they are punching and squishing the infection forms but in the flood they are being pierced by assault rifle rounds, som have that’s it, like stomp on a balloon, then shoot it with a BB gun

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Sure the stomped one gets poppped still, but there are fluids inside an infection form

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True

fair hazel Jan 10, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Sometimes they pop sometimes they dont pop I guess

terse lava Jan 10, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Going with gameplay, as halo war 1, halo 2A, And halo war 2 they dont "pop" like in game

terse lava Jan 10, 2020, 1:41 AM

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I know, I have the book

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Both original and new😊

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But remember though, there was nothing else for Dietz to do off of anyway

versed helm Jan 10, 2020, 1:57 AM

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Regarding Jun's escape from Reach,i was thinking that ONI must've extracted him at some point after the Fleet of Particular Justice started chasing after the POA

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That's my best guess,what do you think?

stoic hamlet Jan 10, 2020, 2:17 AM

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We know other ships escaped

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Kevin-A282 escaped on a UNSC cargo ship, IIRC.

wraith dragon Jan 10, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Pretty sure Jun just wasn’t even on the planet

fair hazel Jan 10, 2020, 3:27 AM

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they're not small

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im going to guess Jun climbed a space elevator to get off the planet

terse lava Jan 10, 2020, 3:50 AM

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I wonder how much intelligence an infection form even has. Obviously not very much but must be something

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Ant level maybe?

agile tangle Jan 10, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Are the Arbiter and Chief even when it comes to combat?

versed helm Jan 10, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Or would Chief consider Thel to be an ally?

stoic hamlet Jan 10, 2020, 4:33 AM

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He’s an Ally, definitely.

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But not a friend

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Just an ally

terse lava Jan 10, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Only thel considers chief a friend

versed helm Jan 10, 2020, 5:45 AM

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It'd be something that's for sure. But considering how both Arbiter and Master Chief fought alongside each other during the events of Halo 3, there's something that they both understand.

War brings people common ground.

feral perch Jan 10, 2020, 6:18 AM

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I would say the opening of Bad Blood indicates Arbiter and Chief have a bond very similar to friendship.

terse lava Jan 10, 2020, 6:41 AM

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I wonder how classy/lousy covenant restaurants were

inner basin Jan 10, 2020, 9:27 AM

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I am aware I’m very late to this conversation but I believe Frank said on Twitter that Jun climbed a broken space elevator, where at the top he could probably find like a Pelican or something that is space-capable

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Maybe a Longsword, but all we do know is that he did climb a space elevator to physically get off the planet

keen canopy Jan 10, 2020, 10:46 AM

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He wrote a Twitter short story yea but he said it obviously wasn't real.

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He was just illustrating that his escape isn't really a mystery, there are plausible explanations.

storm fjord Jan 10, 2020, 10:47 AM

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Are golf balls considered lore XD

keen canopy Jan 10, 2020, 10:48 AM

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No

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no one ever invented Golf in the Halo Universe 😄

storm fjord Jan 10, 2020, 10:50 AM

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Well you can in forge so if master chief went into forge and created golf wouldnt that be considered lore

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So yeah

keen canopy Jan 10, 2020, 11:23 AM

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I was kidding, golf exists in Halo

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The giant golf balls in forge aren't canon however lol

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There's one in Halo 2 campaign iirc however it's an Easter Egg.

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Forge in general isn't Canon, as I'm sure you know

storm fjord Jan 10, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Yes but what if we make it canon

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WHAT IF WE CAN

keen canopy Jan 10, 2020, 11:37 AM

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I'll make you a canon if you don't stop getting off-topic in #lore-and-universe CSGOKilljoy

storm fjord Jan 10, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Ok fine

indigo thorn Jan 10, 2020, 1:27 PM

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wait wait golf is halo cannon

terse lava Jan 10, 2020, 2:05 PM

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"Golf"? You must mean grifball. Playing anything else the with clubs is high heresy

maiden crest Jan 10, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Hey guys

terse lava Jan 10, 2020, 2:32 PM

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Hi

inner basin Jan 10, 2020, 2:32 PM

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Hello

stoic hamlet Jan 10, 2020, 2:33 PM

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Hewwos

pale quest Jan 10, 2020, 2:44 PM

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A sport where you stab people with swords, smash them with hammers and blow up a bomb to score?
Probably not

carmine sleet Jan 10, 2020, 3:43 PM

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@keen canopy Forge is canon, just not in the exact way it's presented to us. I believe it's the tool used to create War Games maps for Spartans to train on in lore

true shadow Jan 10, 2020, 3:53 PM

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It’d be pretty hard to try and find a way to make forge canon without making the monitors out to be some sort of matter creating super machines

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The route of war games simulations is much more easier to digest imo

carmine sleet Jan 10, 2020, 3:55 PM

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That's why I said "Forge is canon, just not in the exact way it's presented to us"

true shadow Jan 10, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Yeah

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Anyone remember that terminal from CEA I think that showed Guilty Spark ejecting a section of his installation out into the vacuum of space?

carmine sleet Jan 10, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Yes, Anders does the same thing in Halo Wars 2 with the Banished forces on Installation 09

true shadow Jan 10, 2020, 4:00 PM

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If he has that amount of control over the ring (I mean why wouldn’t he, he was the monitor assigned to it) then in theory could he shape the landscape to however he pleased?

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I dunno why but I feel like if that holds any truth that there could be some sort of obscure explanation for forge being canon

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I dunno why I connected that scene in particular to forge it sorta just interested me

inner basin Jan 10, 2020, 4:38 PM

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It begs the question of why he didn’t jettison the part that the PoA was on? Was he unable? Would’ve it made no difference? Anyone got answers for me as I really don’t know

versed helm Jan 10, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Probably not, since Cortana explained to chief in H2 that she could detonate the In Amber Clad's fusion reactors, and the explosion would also destroy the ring, but idk i may be mistaken myself if it would've made a difference.

terse lava Jan 10, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Willing to bet he couldnt sue to damage by the flood

clever fable Jan 10, 2020, 6:38 PM

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I think a lot of inconsistencies or near-inconsistencies regarding Spark can be swept under the rug of insanity, though maybe that's a bit lazy.

deep pewter Jan 10, 2020, 7:00 PM

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It’s what has to be done with a lot of stuff regarding Bungie’s story, they never cared for consistency

versed helm Jan 10, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Especially with Reach

fair hazel Jan 10, 2020, 8:20 PM

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cortana still had the index

humble yacht Jan 10, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Installation 03’s monitor required Reclaimer support to eject a portion of the ring

inner basin Jan 10, 2020, 9:29 PM

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But wasn’t Spark able to do it for Installation-04 by himself? As for your Installation-03 point, wasn’t that because the Didact was there, and he can command Monitors what to do? I could be totally wrong, but isn’t that what more or less what happened, or make sense for it to happen?

carmine sleet Jan 10, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Spark did do it on his own, as it was at least a good hundred years before any humans arrived on the ring when he ejected a portion

inner basin Jan 10, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I thought so. It’d just been a while since I watched it (as it’s part of the CEA terminals iirc)

carmine sleet Jan 10, 2020, 9:53 PM

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It is

terse lava Jan 10, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Belive it had been 40,000 years since the array fired when he did that

versed helm Jan 10, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Earlier someone said something about the Banished on "Installation 09". Doesn't HW2 take place on the ark? Or is that another name on Installation 09

clever fable Jan 10, 2020, 10:53 PM

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The Ark keeps a ring ready, I09 in that instance.

versed helm Jan 10, 2020, 10:55 PM

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My halo dudes Im almost finished with Oblivion and Ive read silent strike and up to ghost of onyx but which one should i read next ? Glasslands ? I know thats the kilo 5 trilogy but does it continue after Onyx?

carmine sleet Jan 10, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Indeed, Trad, during HW2, the Ark launches I09 during the story

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The Kilo 5 Trilogy does continue after Onyx

versed helm Jan 10, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Gracias

spiral jewel Jan 11, 2020, 12:11 AM

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So I09 was heading to Threshold when a Guardian appears out of nowhere?

feral perch Jan 11, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Seems like it

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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From what we can gather, yes. We don’t know if it remained where it was intercepted, or if it was moved

terse lava Jan 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Likely as it was replacing alpha halo

spiral jewel Jan 11, 2020, 12:47 AM

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As far as I know, where the guardian came from exactly is a bit of a mystery since there is a 6 month gap between October 28-30 2558 (Created Subjugation of Earth), and April 2, 2559 ( I09 being intercepted by a Guardian)

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 1:01 AM

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God the narrator for the kilo 5 trilogy audiobooks is terrible

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 1:19 AM

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@spiral jewel You are aware that Cortana has a number of Guardians, so it could’ve been patrolling anywhere

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 1:20 AM

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Also,how did that Guardian even pull Installation 09 out of Slipspace?

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Probably because it is physically able to pull anything out of slipspace perhaps? We really don’t know an awful lot about it’s capabilities except for the EMP-like effect that isn’t permanent (as it can be repaired), and the fact that they cause a lot of damage upon their first activation

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 1:24 AM

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And one of their weaknesses involves the Huragok

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Which is why the EMP-like effect isn’t permanent

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But it requires a Huragok to solve the problem, as seen in Bad Blood I believe

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 1:30 AM

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It'll probably take a whole lot of Huragoks to fix Earth's infrastructure and electric grid

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 1:32 AM

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Well I believe ONI has a number of them on Luna, but do correct me if I’m wrong

feral drum Jan 11, 2020, 1:40 AM

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I have a question

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Do female Sangheili look like the males or are there differences?

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 1:41 AM

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I’ll leave that one for Ostral or Ado to answer. They are our resident Sanghelli experts more or less

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 1:41 AM

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They look just like males

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Some might be smaller or maybe smell slightly different.

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Or what about Fal Chavamee's wife?

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Same reason Halsey looks like a young blonde women when she was in her mid-50s in The Package

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 1:46 AM

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I seriously need to watch The Duel again

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I'm still gonna say,Halo 5 did Jul Mdama dirty

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Indeed

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It actually made me greatly dislike Locke

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 1:52 AM

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That whole game was pathetic

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I was expecting a epic boss battle against Jul,but Locke stabbing him in the neck,that was it?

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 1:54 AM

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I didn't even need a boss battle, just something other than...that

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 1:54 AM

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I think that whole cutscene did a great injustice for Elites. I mean when do you see a Spec Ops Elite drop their weapon and clumsily make their way towards their enemy (the one Vale killed first)?

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Heck, have him live, with the storyline thought up by Haruspis way back when

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@inner basin
I felt Halo 5 cutscenes made Elites act kinda drunk, movement-wise.

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 1:56 AM

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Oh what about that one at the start of Blue Team. The way the high ranking Elite walks, ahhhh, that’s fun to make fun of

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 1:56 AM

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That game ruined Blue Team

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 1:57 AM

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What's weird is that during gameplay, they seemed to move well-enough. (from what I remember, at least)

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 1:57 AM

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Yeah gameplay is fine, but it’d be hard to mess that up

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It’s the cutscenes that they made, ruined them. Then acting drunk does seem like a fair observation

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Then there's the Chief vs Locke fight

hasty locust Jan 11, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Yeah they bulked up elites too much

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To the point they had to waddle

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Also,where the hell was Fireteam Majestic?,we never see them or get a mention of them,i think

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Doin' other stuff

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 1:59 AM

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We don’t hear of them at all in 5. Throne was supposed to be in Osiris, but they scratched that and put Buck in that place instead

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Yup

hasty locust Jan 11, 2020, 2:00 AM

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I don’t like new blood or whatever it’s called

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The one where ||rookie buys it||

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Bad Blood

hasty locust Jan 11, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Yeah

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Stupid

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He should’ve gotten a better death

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 2:01 AM

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Bad Blood
It was New Blood

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Bad Blood's the sequel

hasty locust Jan 11, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Ok

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Yeah New Blood was where J.D met his end, but I don’t think it was bad. I enjoyed it. The author clearly put in the time to nail the characters

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It also wasn’t a throw away death like Jul either

hasty locust Jan 11, 2020, 2:03 AM

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I wish he at least got fleshed out a bit more

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Then he buys it

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Bad Blood was the one where Buck and Dare got married right?

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Ye

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Also where Alpha-9 were reformed as Spartans

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Which was nice to see

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 2:03 AM

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What happened to Mickey at the end of Bad Blood?

hasty locust Jan 11, 2020, 2:04 AM

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I know most people probably think this is dumb but something inside me wishes the leader of Osiris was rookie and he got to be fleshed out as a character and such

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Yeah, my main thing about Rookie's death was the lost potential for fleshing out.

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 2:06 AM

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We do know that the Rookie was from Luna

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 2:06 AM

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But he has history that can be fleshed out instead. I think that engagement with Gage Yevgenny was nice

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I feel that the short story Dirt is highly underrated

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 2:07 AM

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What's everyone's opinion on the Fall of Reach animated series?

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Doesn't even show the fall of Reach lol

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And turns John into a monster

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Doesn’t accurately depict the events that occurred in it either

hasty locust Jan 11, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Yeah isn’t it just his training

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Welp I’ve gtg, cya

inner basin Jan 11, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Later, settling

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Anyone else besides me thinks that Blue Team in the series look way too young

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 2:09 AM

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What do you mean?

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Oh, yeah, their "present day" selves

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Yeah, they look...odd.

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 2:11 AM

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They look baby faced

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Yeah, it's an odd juxtaposition.

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 2:11 AM

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And the gym fight scene,what the hell was that?

gilded mason Jan 11, 2020, 2:12 AM

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It was creepy

versed helm Jan 11, 2020, 2:12 AM

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John nearly hit one of the ODSTs with a weight bar

celest palm Jan 11, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Where he 1v3 a squad of ODSTs?