@dense falcon Humanity expanded very quickly and ended up being in a position where the Inner Colonies were almost completely dependent on the Outer Colonies for food and resources. Yet they lived in relative luxury, while the Outer Colonies lived in harsher conditions. Many in the Outer Colonies got sick of providing for the Inner Colonies and wanted independence, and the UNSC wouldn't give it to them, seeing as that would be disastrous for the Inner Colonies.
#lore-and-universe
keen canopy
versed helm
Yes, which is probably why the armor has those safeties when sprinting.
keen canopy
@versed helm Fred also tore his Achilles sprinting in First Strike IIRC
versed helm
So uhh I guess my theory holds up
Hmm
That is true
Well she isnt exactly using all of her armors power for that
keen canopy
If she really went for it, she'd probably be able to tear an Achilles
versed helm
She was very fast even from a Young age
Yes thats gen 2
Indeed
Now how fast is she in gen 3
She's always been the fastest
Even from a very Young age
So she probably doesnt have to use as much of her armors horse power when sprinting
Now
That may sound a little dumb
But that might explain it
If I could phrase This properly
keen canopy
I think it's not speed that matters here
versed helm
K or 087 so the filter doesnt turn on you
keen canopy
K is faster than the other Spartans at all levels of exertion
Perhaps Mjolnir limits the duration that a Spartan can maintain their top speed
Rather than trying to stop them from running too fast
versed helm
That does work
Imma go with that
If they make him interesting definitely
But I wonder
Who is the slowest spartan?
tame crystal
question: can the sabre also be used in-atmosphere?
versed helm
Is Enduring Bias a Contender class A.I?
keen canopy
@tame crystal Most likely not. You can in Forge though :D
@versed helm most likely not, which is annoying as hell. I guess there's still a possibility he is one though.
versed helm
Mendicant and Offensive Bias are Contender class A.Is so i'm betting that Enduring Bias could be one as well
keen canopy
All information we have points to him not being one, which is why the name is annoying
We also have Custodian, a Contender-Class whose name does not end with Bias.
half fulcrum
I wanna see Kalmiya in a game, but I suppose Reach was their shot to explore that and they didn't :/
dense falcon
@keen canopy so basically the outer colonies are like rural zones?
hollow meadow
More like the Outer Rim in Wtar Sars
fair hazel
@obsidian thistle the spirit of fire crew complement lists a commander Theo , in the marine section
obsidian thistle
That guy.
HW1 Launch Site
During the Harvest campaign he was at Epsilon Base.
@fair hazel
What else do ya need to know?
fair hazel
The rank structure as displayed on halopedia @obsidian thistle
terse lava
I miss that interactive game...
obsidian thistle
Oh that
fair hazel
Yay
versed helm
does the A in CIA stand for alice
obsidian thistle
No.
fair hazel
Rabbit hole time
obsidian thistle
So my idea is this. (had it for awhile but may push it after my archive task)
Each human rank gets a page
Now
Why is this interesting
I can then proceed to track who had what rank and when they had it.
inner basin
That’d be pretty cool. Would you also keep former ranks that people had in their political and military info box though like it is now?
obsidian thistle
Well yes of course. Easier to track that way
fair hazel
Yes. I’ve wanted that
terse lava
That's a pretty good idea, rather then looking up pvt (name). Will the covenant be getting the same treatment too?
obsidian thistle
Where possible... but thats a way harder task sadly as very few have been "named" with "ranks".
dim roost
So, was Outpost Discovery a retcon?
unique rune
A retcon for...?
dim roost
Infinite.
feral perch
no
unique rune
How would it retcon anything relating to Infinite?
dim roost
Well, that's what Halo haters would ask.
I wanted to play Devil's Advocate to elicit a response.
unique rune
feral perch
wut
Halo haters wouldn't ask that
is the name of a popular shooter oft compared to Halo censored?
versed helm
So will the Ussans make a return?
gilded mason
I can always hope.
versed helm
Also,what is the protein mash that's described in Broken Circle?,is it like Mashed Potatoes?
gilded mason
A meat substitute. Though it probably has the consistency of mashed taters considering its name.
terse lava
Imagined it being similar to corn beef hash
full forge
so do the ussans eat a lot of beans then?
terse lava
Why do you ask that?
full forge
Protein.
terse lava
Meat would provide it too. The mash would pretty much be meat, just not from an animal
full forge
I don't think so, since the broken circle was supposed to be a shield world for the forerunners wasn't it? The forerunners aren't big on meat. The mantle 'Forbade consuming the flesh of the less fortunate' While the forerunners could easily create synthetic meats that don't originate from other species, I don't see them doing that. Their culture seems to focus heavily on vegetables.
Probably just those gray cubes the warrior-servants ate for sustenance I'd think.
but honestly it's like, a space magic forerunner food machine so who really cares
gilded mason
The Sangheili brought their own protein fabricator from Sanghelios
It wasn't Forerunner
full forge
Ooooh really now?
gilded mason
Yeah
The food was mostly the local and quite edible vegetable matter and some artificial meat — the latter from the protein fabricator they had brought with them from Sanghelios. The protein mash was unappealing, but Tersa was young and his appetite was strong.
full forge
Wait. Hol' up
So would the covenant floatillas have no need of support ships for carrying food supplies then in that case?
gilded mason
No big need, perhaps. Probably mainly for actually tasty food.
terse lava
Fresh food is still better then Relying on the synthesizer this would be
full forge
Of course, of course. But I thought that's why the Sangheili bring the unggoy along @gilded mason?
gilded mason
Hm?
full forge
unggoy
weak, tasty crabs
sangheili
strong, live on a world with lots of ocean
gilded mason
lol
Anyway, they also use assembly forges to create food as well, so it might be just a "cover your bases" thing?
full forge
You ever cook an Unggoy over an open fire? What, no-one? Is that frowned on, or somethin'?"
gilded mason
That was a Halo 5 IWBYD line, right?
full forge
Yee
terse lava
I could see that being a halo 3 line between s brute pack too
full forge
In my playthrough I encountered that line on the mission Reunion, when you reach the downed phantom.
terse lava
interesting
full forge
What happened to the buggers after the collapse of the Covenant?
gilded mason
They continue to do whatever.
versed helm
They went back to their home planet
Some were a part of that elites fleet from halo spartan assault
gilded mason
Don't buy that one
unique rune
Merg 'Vol presumably had Yanme'e within his Covenant faction, yeah.
Though with Spartan Assault being a training simulator in-universe it's possible some details of the Battle of Draetheus V were mucked with.
terse lava
Was reading over Halo evolutions Today and had long forgotten a one the scariest things in Halo. Brute brothels
sudden hinge
that's a lot of meat being tossed around jeez
terse lava
Never noticed reading before, but appears the brothels was only on one of the moons
Rather odd
stoic hamlet
Wait, what?
terse lava
@stoic hamletwhat?
gilded mason
Probably the Brute brothels
terse lava
I feel deeply sorry for the local covenant officers. You know they had to check those at some point.
stoic hamlet
Yeah, the brothels
I don’t recall that ever coming up
I feel like I’d remember it, anyways
gilded mason
Brother Golubus had come really close to making the fatter ones taste like Thorn Beast, and he missed that delicacy as much as he missed the brothels back on Teash.
From Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss
terse lava
A tale from Halo: Evolutions back in...2008 or 2009
Wonder if native brutes would be more akin to vikings...or pirates
versed helm
Would nukes work against the Flood?
stoic hamlet
I think they would, Probably.
terse lava
@stoic hamletonly a small one really, like voi
versed helm
Planet wide infection
Remind me,aren't Key Minds technically the result of an entire planet succumbing to the Flood?
gilded mason
No, Keyminds are any coordinated Flood intelligence, or something
versed helm
Oh
gilded mason
And Gravemind would be the highest tier of this.
versed helm
Speaking of the Flood,how will the Flood return?
versed helm
Is it possible that some distant galaxies might've fallen to the Flood?,given their extragalactic origins
Also,did the Forerunners ever have a name for the Small Magellanic Cloud?
terse lava
Think it was claimed the flood had consumed one galaxy. Not for sure and yes the forerunner called it "path keotha"
terse lava
Ah misread your question
Likely then "path (name)"
You know I wonder what wrong with karan's books. Human weakness was utterly wonderful, but then years later with the kilo 5 trilogy just horrible
midnight loom
terse lava
People hold kilo in very low regard
stoic hamlet
Speaking of Kilo
Does anyone else remember if there’s a passage in either Thursday War or Mortal Dictata mentioning that Vaz and Mal were given like, low level enhancements?
gilded mason
Been searching for a while, but no luck
gilded mason
Yup. Though it might be there, and I'm simply not searching the right word
stoic hamlet
Idk what words specifically you could search.
Enhancements, augmentations. Augments.
Maybe?
gilded mason
Yeah, I tried low, enhance, augment
stoic hamlet
Upgrades?
gilded mason
Hm. I'll try that real quick
stoic hamlet
Reaching wth that one but it’s worth a shot
gilded mason
Nope, no luck there
stoic hamlet
I really must be misremembering then.
IIRC the passage was like “after some convincing, Osman had managed to get the ODST’s on-board for low level enhancements/augments/etc.”
gilded mason
And it's not in Glasslands, right?
gilded mason
Mhm
stoic hamlet
It would have been after/during Phillips was on Sangheilios. Like, it was either a BB chapter or an Osman chapter, mentioned on the Port Stanley bridge.
I think I am just misremembering.
Meh
Thanks again.
gilded mason
👍
terse lava
Hate it when that happens, never was able to find that quote in broken circle on very elder sangheili growing whisks of hairs
gilded mason
I found it, if you're still looking, Ado
terse lava
You did?!
gilded mason
Yeah, a long while back. Posted it here
I'll paste it
Tup’Quk, a Sangheili bent with age, bristling with the odd hairs the very old sometimes sprouted from various crevices, came shuffling slowly, the ceremonial jewelry jingling from his pierced mandibles.
terse lava
Blood....where was that
gilded mason
Part 2
noble fjord
"Local Sangheili literally too old and stubborn to die"
terse lava
Well thank you ostral, truly you are an Oracle master
terse lava
Works for me
noble fjord
He is the "Elite Elite Archivist"
terse lava
You said it was ch2?
terse lava
Well glad that was solved
I wonder if there's any reason to have a covenant that old to begin with. They could have had the covenant as a younger civilization like this pseudo race from mass effect. Or they could have had it Even older
Or just rounded it up to 4000 years
vivid rover
why did the humans go to war with the covenant?
gilded mason
It was a prank
vivid rover
?
gilded mason
The humans were being recorded the whole time. Super embarrassing.
vivid rover
give me the real answer lol
gilded mason
But seriously. The Hierarchs "found out" that humans were left behind after the Forerunner's first Great Journey, and realized if everyone else in the Covenant learned that ascendance wasn't a for-sure thing, things will get very bad.
unique rune
because a Grunt did a dumb thing upon first contact
vivid rover
oh
gilded mason
So they decided exterminating the humans would prevent other members of the Covenant from learning the "truth"
vivid rover
who were the forrunners?
gilded mason
Ancient aliens
gilded mason
How much of Halo have you played?
unique rune
Ancient humanity did.
gilded mason
And yes, Ancient humans
vivid rover
forerunners created the rings right
gilded mason
Yes
vivid rover
to destroy the flood
gilded mason
Yes
gilded mason
Yes, along with all other species that the Forerunners indexed
and covenant didnt like that so they went to war with them?
Not exactly
vivid rover
oh
unique rune
Covenant leaders learned that the entire “Great Journey” was based around a mistranslation
gilded mason
And thought humans were Forerunners that were left behind
unique rune
Given that the whole thing was central to the Covenant, the fact that it wasn’t what they believed it to be threatened to effectively tear the Covenant apart
empty canyon
My fiancee and I started a Halo saga playthrough, and are playing through in chronological order, so naturally we played Reach first. This led to a question from my fiancee that I don't really know the answer to... ||Near the end of Reach when Halsey entrusts Six to carry Cortana, we are led to assume that this is the first time that Cortana had been out of Sword Base (at least by my fiancee and I understanding), however at the very beginning of CE, when Chief gets to the bridge of the Autumn, Cortana and Chief joke around like they knew each other before. My fiancee asked the question of, if Cortana is a new AI, how do they know each other? Is there anywhere I can find some sort of info on their history prior to the start of CE?||
unique rune
which also meant the High Prophets would have lost their hold on power
gilded mason
Cortana is a new AI, how do they know each other? Is there anywhere I can find some sort of info on their history prior to the start of CE?
The Fall of Reach.
Though it's not much, just a day of knowing each other
vivid rover
oh, so the covenant thought the humans were the forerunners who survived?
terse lava
Yes, the cortana in Halo reach was simply a shard of her
gilded mason
oh, so the covenant thought the humans were the forerunners who survived?
Just the three hierarchs
Everyone else had no idea about anything
vivid rover
but they commanded their whole army to destroy the humans lol
gilded mason
Yes.
vivid rover
cause they had the power
gilded mason
Yes
terse lava
Yes
gilded mason
They had no idea what the Forerunners looked like
vivid rover
oh
and some people told me the war started because a brute pissed someone off, which one was it?
terse lava
At best they knew the forerunners were once mortals
gilded mason
...No
vivid rover
oh
and some people told me the war started because a brute pissed someone off, which one was it?
anyone have an answer to that?
terse lava
It's started because mendicant bias claim the humans were Forerunners
He said this right in front of the prophets who would become the hierarchs
They misunderstood that as humans being literally Left Behind forerunners Something their religion said was impossible
vivid rover
oh
gilded mason
and some people told me the war started because a brute pissed someone off, which one was it?
The meeting went sour prematurely when an overeager Unggoy attacked and killed Osmo. Pederson was shot and killed with a Type-25 Spiker by Vorenus after the latter had heard Osmo firing his rifle.
This caused the initial battle
vivid rover
o
yeah, the only one I played so far was reach
on the mcc
still waiting for the other ones to release
gilded mason
But it probably would have eventually led to second diplomatic talks if it wasn't for the Hierarches
vivid rover
will I be able to learn everything from all the games dropping on the mcc over the next few months?
terse lava
@gilded masonhonestly sangheili should have been sent
unique rune
Not everything.
vivid rover
or they dont say enough
unique rune
The games mostly only cover some basic late-war stuff
vivid rover
oh
prisma oasis
When does another book focusing on the Flood gets made?
prisma oasis
What if they were to make a book on a Flood event that happened in 2531?
vivid rover
the flood was just a parasites that wanted to eat all living things?
terse lava
@prisma oasisso a novel of halo war?
vivid rover
and whos hyped to get deployed
gilded mason
the flood was just a parasites that wanted to eat all living things?
They want to join everyone in misery.
vivid rover
oh
and halo red vs blue
did that go on before the human covenant war?
was it a civil war
terse lava
That's non canon
gilded mason
Red vs Blue is a fanmade thing
vivid rover
oh
unique rune
RvB’s own universe makes minor connections to the official Halo universe, but in general it just isn’t compatible with it.
vivid rover
so before the great war there was a civil war
terse lava
Yes
vivid rover
what was the cause of it?
unique rune
Oh bugger. Can’t say war plural.
terse lava
Nope
unique rune
Stupid filter.
vivid rover
and I assume all the humans reunited to fend off the covenant forces after the covenant tried to invade
unique rune
Insurrectionist forces in general laid low to avoid Covenant attention, though.
gilded mason
Though to their credit, they didn't know it was a war of extermination at the time.
did Arbiter respect master chief as a soldier?
Yeah, later on
terse lava
Whole thing was a mess really
vivid rover
I thought the covenant tried to make the humans go extinct
vivid rover
oh
prisma oasis
Perhaps there could be more details added to a Flood event that happened in 2537.
vivid rover
were covenant soldiers trained like spartans in any kinda way?
gilded mason
Kinda
terse lava
Sort of?
gilded mason
Nothing like Spartan augmentation though
terse lava
Sangheili(elites) were trained.from childhood to fight
unique rune
Other than San ‘Shyuum Prelates
gilded mason
Yes
terse lava
Yea but prelates never fought in the war that we.know of yet
vivid rover
what happened to planet reach after the covenant took it over?
gilded mason
Glassed
vivid rover
they turend it to glass?
terse lava
Yep
gilded mason
They were only interested in any Forerunner artifacts on it.
vivid rover
oh, whyd they want them?
gilded mason
Because Forerunners artifacts are cool
terse lava
Because they worshipped the forerunners
unique rune
Glassing is just a colloquial term for the process of razing the planet with shipboard energy projectors
nothing was exactly turned to glass
vivid rover
They did worship them? I thought they hated them cause the forerunners tried to wipe out the galaxy
unique rune
but the surface of the planet would be left uninhabitable and turned into a glass-like substance
anyway
gilded mason
They did worship them? I thought they hated them cause the forerunners tried to wipe out the galaxy```
They have incomplete records of Forerunners.The covenant thought the forerunners, when activating the Halo rings, sent them on a great journey into a divine beyond. The covenants entire goal is to replicate this
gilded mason
And what they had painted them as mortals-turned-gods
unique rune
The Forerunners wiped the galaxy to stop the Flood.
The Covenant misinterpreted the Forerunners’ Halo firing as their Great Journey and ascendance to godhood
prisma oasis
If another book about the Forerunner-Flood war gets added, then I can expect more details on that war like the Flood Juggernaut getting involved and fighting along with the Flood Tanks.
terse lava
Well, we have hints to that from halo 4 and 5 forerunner weapons
Their...forgot the name, hardlight beam rifles were used to take out large flood pure forms at a safe range
unique rune
I think that description matches the Binary Rifle
terse lava
And the larger incineration cannons were used by promethean forces to clear out developing graveminds, flood hives, and flood mountains
@unique runebinary rifle, thank you
Crawlers were created as a way to swarm into food hives and take the brunt of any attack before forerunners moved in
And the suppressor was used by Warrior servants to take out in clean flood infected ships
Truth be told we haven't seen much in the way of ground combat during the forerunner flood war
An interesting question, could the covenant have survived with the brutes as the military caste rather then the sangheili?
noble patrol
How much destruction does a single glassing cannon cause?
terse lava
@noble patrolthe energy projector? It was calculated by human ai that in 15 seconds it could glass one acre of land
noble patrol
Oh not super op but still strong
supple zenith
Do you think the flood could infect a hunter
being made up of a bunch of individual worms with separate nervous systems
terse lava
@supple zeniththey can't infect hunters for that very reason. They could kill one and use the biomass though
@noble patrolwell older lore had the covenant glassing every sq centimeter of a planet
terse lava
Yep
You have any questions on the covenant/sangheili, myself or ostral can likely answer them
sharp adder
i think the covat glassed plants which had flood even apparentyl the covernat found unsc plantes with flood or a least dected flood so they glasses
unique rune
Uh.
Come again?
terse lava
Blob thinks the covenant glassed planets due to flood corruption. If they found such a thing they would, but besides voi, no known human worlds had flood on then
@unique rune
unique rune
I... guess that makes sense.
terse lava
Yea, I do know the fieldmaster on harvest commented to ripa 'moramee his concern that flood may be present in the relic from halo war 1
sharp adder
still the flood could bee dormny blew the plantes and not discoverd
terse lava
Forerunner relics on human world were quite rare. Any planet that had flood housed in relics even more rare. Out of the 800 worlds humanity had, maybe 1 or 2 would have bad a flood facility in it.
gilded mason
800 worlds
ado pls
stoic hamlet
Isn’t it more like 400 worlds
The rest are stations and stuff
Even that’s high balling if.
terse lava
@gilded masoncolonies, worlds, stations
gilded mason
That's better. 😉
terse lava
My mind was in old canon at the time
gilded mason
Isn’t it more like 400 worlds
No idea. Was the 400 ballpark mentioned anywhere?
terse lava
Actually wondering @gilded mason, I have heard that the halo choir theme was canon as a song sung by san shyuum priests at the begging of a new age. Would you know when this was stated?
gilded mason
That's news to me.
terse lava
It's what I have heard since contact harvest came out
The song those priests sing apparently supposed to be the halo choir theme
Figured I missed a lore tid bit somewhere
gilded mason
Maybe I missed it as well
gilded mason
Prefect
terse lava
Thank you @gilded mason
gilded mason
👍
terse lava
Getting tired
Easy man
If you mean human tech, nothing shows humans were capable of world building
As for the rest...dont think forerunners could put something in a black hole
Chakas pointed this out to his ancestor, lord of admirals when they were on halo
Fortcheno boasted of hyper trains and the like, being silent when chakas pointed out humans had never built anything like a halo
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
So I would say humanity was low tier
noble fjord
Something I always found odd about Halo Ship combat is how it's more akin to old naval dreadnoughts fighting as opposed to more modern aircraft focused carrier combat.
terse lava
@versed helmaccording to a civilian
The didact saw them as the latest challenge to forerunner kind.
gilded mason
It said the librarian said it
Where at?
terse lava
She did
gilded mason
Ah
terse lava
But, shes not a warrior servant
Yes
Lifeworker
As for combat warlock, they get close due to the Covenant just plowing on through
No no Tier 1
Just...low tier 1
Unless something comes up shown h humanity with mega engineering
No clue, we have not been shown. We saw humans who had been at war for over 1000 years
Centuries against the flood, then 1000 fighting the forerunners
Pre flood....maybe they did
For all we know, pre flood humans took apart shield worlds they had for war material to fight the flood
Well clearly, human edict said they put the paint on or get the hose again
Sure
Forerunners did that, combat monitors fought with forerunners
No just floated Alongside their forerunner masters
How well do you guys think humanity would have been had a pre covenant sangheili civilization found them?
glacial dock
@terse lava So if I remember correctly, the elites , before their conflict with the San Shyuum, didnt really want to touch forerunner technology because they thought it was sacred. Also, most of covenant tech is just reverse engineered forerunner tech.
Ez clap for the humans if them pre covenant elites wanted to fight us.
Also the Fall of Reach stated that the orbital macs were even effective against covenant ships as long as they hhad enough time to fire their volley and their fusion generators were intact.
So pre covenant elites would be decimated with our MAC'aroni and cheese cannons
keen canopy
@glacial dock Much of that isn't true. Pre-Covenant Sangheili developed the Plasma Rifle, Needler and Energy Sword. And without any Forerunner tech.
As well as Starships.
All while Humanity was in the Bronze Age.
versed helm
So if I'm correct the forerunners made the human race and covenant race yes?
keen canopy
No, the Precursors created all life
Including the Forerunners
You were probably thinking of them
keen canopy
Indeed, except for a few who tried to convert themselves into dust, to be revived at a later date.
still ibex
which got corrupted and turned into the flood
clever fable
Verdict on them being gone always seemed fuzzy to me. You jump from one excerpt in a novel saying "Oh yeah, we all died except me." to a summary in warfleet saying they're just bouncing off to middle-of-nowhere space (something about unreachable depths?), then back again to Mythos saying "oh no yeah, that dude was totally the last one."
sharp adder
But remember humans when they were seded had nothing other species and civilisation had some stuff to go back to
terse lava
@glacial dock @keen canopy was thinking more on modern humans meeting sangheili, here the covenant never forming
maiden crest
Hey guys
terse lava
Wort
maiden crest
Bornstellar becomes didact
maiden crest
So is the real bornstellar still in his mind
carmine sleet
Bornstellar is the Iso-Didact
maiden crest
Are there 2 distinguished characters in one body..?
carmine sleet
The original Didact, the Ur-Didact is a different person
terse lava
@carmine sleetthink he means dirind the 2nd novel
The whole "only born now in.my dreams"
maiden crest
Are there 2 distinguished characters in one body..?
terse lava
Well was at first
terse lava
Later, born managed to integrate the didact's imprint fully, this feeling he was more thevdidact now then born
Finally at the end of the books, the imprint "releases" him and he was back to being born, just with the didact's knowledge
terse lava
He didnt
maiden crest
His body..
terse lava
Was composed
maiden crest
How
maiden crest
What happens when humans get composed
terse lava
He was only immune to one
carmine sleet
We see what happens when humans are composed in Halo 4
terse lava
Bodies turned to ash, mind transferred to a place called the "composer forge"
carmine sleet
And the Forerunner trilogy as well
terse lava
Think fire and brimstone hell
maiden crest
Mechanical promethian
terse lava
Possibly I guess
maiden crest
So is he immortal
carmine sleet
No. Prometheans can still be killed
maiden crest
So mechanical promethians are human
maiden crest
Do they have same mind as when they were composed
terse lava
Not really
carmine sleet
There's ancient humans, everyone on Ivanoff Station and the people who lived in New Phoenix that were composed during Halo 4 to become Promethean Knights
terse lava
More....I would say lobotomized
carmine sleet
Enslaved would be a better way of putting it I feel
terse lava
@carmine sleetbut do we know the mind was fully intact?
maiden crest
How can their mind be destroyed
terse lava
@maiden crestwell if their mind is fully intact, are stuck along for the ride
carmine sleet
If the data that lingers around for a few minutes isn't used to bring it back by a Watcher, it will die permanently
carmine sleet
Yes, like we said earlier
carmine sleet
In the case of the Ur-Didact's Promethean Knights, the extracted neural map was used as the basis for artificial intelligence constructs in a manner similar to the creation of human smart AIs. These intelligences contain many of their original memories and sometimes even portions of their personality, but otherwise behave within the limits of the duties assigned to them
@terse lava This is what it states about the Knights on Halopedia
Warden Eternal not known to be a composed being, MaNn
terse lava
Thought so, for the most part the mind was not fully intact like begore
maiden crest
Eternal has one mind
But many bodies
So do composed promethians also have many bodies..?
carmine sleet
Promethean Knights only have the single body but a Watcher can bring them back. Warden isn't a Promethean construct and we know very little about him
carmine sleet
Currently they are
terse lava
Yea
terse lava
Far as we know
maiden crest
So their minds can be controlled
They can be put to favor humanity
Like they did with covenant
??
terse lava
If the controller favors humanity they can
carmine sleet
Cortana kinda favours her own plans right now though
terse lava
They dont anymore
carmine sleet
It got deleted
carmine sleet
Deleted means its gone
carmine sleet
Yes, both parts
terse lava
Taken by a contender ai guarding the absolute record
maiden crest
Where is mendicant bias now
terse lava
Tricky question, far as we know, dead
terse lava
Ai can be yes
maiden crest
Which book should i read after cryptum
maiden crest
Oh
terse lava
2nd book in the forerunner trilogy
carmine sleet
AI is basically sentient software, a very basic and slightly incorrect description but still works for the sake of not explaining AI in detail as I'm not an expert, meaning it can be killed
Roland is still alive
maiden crest
It had one ai before roland
terse lava
The one before roland
carmine sleet
The AI before Roland wasn't killed by Cortana
terse lava
Some female
maiden crest
Yep
It was killed
She was crippled when infinity gell into requiem
And cortana killed her
sharp adder
Because cortana was angry
maiden crest
Yep
sharp adder
And her forerunner heritage made her stronger than any human ai
maiden crest
It made her now
terse lava
There's no forerunner heritage
terse lava
Shes just an advanced human ai
maiden crest
How can cortana be killed now
terse lava
That's what we will find out in halo infinite
maiden crest
Oh
carmine sleet
We'll find out how they'll stop Cor- Ado, you beat me to it
maiden crest
What is hellcat armor
carmine sleet
A set of Mjolnir armour
terse lava
Human armor developed from ancient human armor
ivory umbra
Quick question. Does the M6C SOCOM Magnum use Caseless ammunition?
terse lava
Halopedia may be able to answer tgat6
ivory umbra
ok thx
terse lava
Welcome
carmine sleet
Doesn't say anything about it using caseless ammo
terse lava
Well there we go
versed helm
Will we ever go back to Heian?
carmine sleet
Unknown. Only 343i know the answer to that
versed helm
It seems like we know very little of that planet other than the architecture of those ruins were Greco-Roman,East Asian,and Middle Eastern with subtle Forerunner themes
What else could be on that planet?
And iirc,didn't the Lord of Admirals say he visited numerous worlds with ancient human ruins on them?
terse lava
He did, and thanks to dark ages throughout time humanity's homeworld wasny earth
versed helm
Where in the galaxy is Heian?
carmine sleet
Unknown
versed helm
I also wonder how the hell the Covenant even found that planet
terse lava
Likely by luminary
carmine sleet
Or just stumbled upon it
carmine sleet
Ok, seems like it's delayed again but basically, there's a filter in place relating to a big film from last month
versed helm
Did the Forerunners ever visit the Andromeda Galaxy?
carmine sleet
Unknown
carmine sleet
They're god-like to most people though, given that they're able to do so much
terse lava
Yes, even the librarian says as much, "closest thing to a god we have seen". Doesnt make them gods
versed helm
So,are the Precursors truly gone?
terse lava
No
They traveled galaxies, only one group was wiped out in the milky way and even then there were survivors
versed helm
And some of them transformed themselves into a powder that became the Flood
While the others,no idea
terse lava
Fled
versed helm
Imagine if the Andromeda Galaxy fell to the Flood
carmine sleet
I don't know if its a good idea to say that, Donk, given how people disliked MEA
versed helm
What was the name of that Elite that chased John around Installation 04?
feral perch
Zuka 'Zamamee.
terse lava
Zuka was an odd one
wicked pasture
You're an odd one, Mr. 'Zamamee
versed helm
You know,what would a Flood infected Elcor look like?
terse lava
Those large 4 legged creatures from ME? Likly like the thrasher forms from halo war 1
versed helm
Is there a lore explanation as to why cheif’s armor changed while he was taking a relaxing nap in the forward unto dawn beetween halo 3and 4
feral perch
Nanobots.
That's it. Nanobots.
It's dumb, and people shouldn't have asked for a lore explanation tbh.
versed helm
Bruh
Then 343 should have at least not have changed the armor so dramatically
I understand the reasons to do it
feral perch
They wanted to make their mark.
versed helm
Bruh they literally undid this mark with infinite
Also a dumb one but do the sangheili have problems eating
feral perch
Nah.
gilded mason
Because
left depot
Teeth grip
versed helm
Makes a bit more sense
left depot
And they can move mandibles independently, so not all 4 have to be open to chew
terse lava
Yep, eating would be no problem
feral perch
They also might eat exclusively noodle-shaped food
terse lava
@feral perchsilence heretic! Do not tell them our weaknesses!
full forge
How tall is Atriox?
terse lava
8 ft
obsidian thistle
If I recall there is a lil mouth flap on some Sangheili models.
That would close the hole.
terse lava
@obsidian thistletrue, reach ones only I belive
Would be safe to assume all have it though
noble fjord
I always found it somewhat interesting how ODSTs spoke to Noble 6 in Reach.
terse lava
How so
noble fjord
"Try to keep up Spartan" idk sounds like there's a little bit of resentment behind their tones of voice
obsidian thistle
Well do note that there was a one sided rivalry between ODST and Spartans.
Spartans didnt really take it on.
terse lava
Putting it in that contact's, almost makes them sound like they are whiny about the Spartans existence
Odst just wernt the best anymore
noble fjord
I mean I know that there's reported incidents of Spartans getting into fights with ODSTs namely John beating a few up
obsidian thistle
Well some of that origins were more traced back to John accidently killing some after his augs. And rumors of that getting out there.
terse lava
Think that was the only time they fought
obsidian thistle
You can even read about 1 who was directly impacted by that in "Halo: The Flood".
terse lava
I did not care for him
noble fjord
But yeah I don't think ODSTs like Spartans at all...
Which is funny since a lot of ODSTs become Spartan IVs
terse lava
Bit of a jerk
obsidian thistle
terse lava
Oh....they gave him a face
carmine sleet
Aye, that's from Fireteam Raven
obsidian thistle
Tbf how would you feel if your soldiers were wasted on a training exercise for Spartans.
And yea Fireteam Raven was ace for providing us so many visuals. Shame we cant get many high rez stuff unless 343i give us them directly
terse lava
I did see his before, once again off
obsidian thistle
Which fits the book description too well lol
terse lava
Yeah although for me I imagined his uniform would be more regal looking
Accurate though now that I see it properly. Last time I saw it I thought they literally threw him in a officer like uniform rather then one of his own time period
A bit
keen canopy
@clever fable
Verdict on them being gone always seemed fuzzy to me. You jump from one excerpt in a novel saying "Oh yeah, we all died except me." to a summary in warfleet saying they're just bouncing off to middle-of-nowhere space (something about unreachable depths?), then back again to Mythos saying "oh no yeah, that dude was totally the last one."
I'm sure now that the unreachable depths quote is just referring to the Flood. So that's 3/3 saying they're all gone.
stoic hamlet
Super annoyed we never got to see bestODST McKay in Fireteam Raven.
terse lava
That was kind of odd we didnt get to see her
stoic hamlet
She was too much of a BA for Fireteam Raven I guess.
inner basin
Wasn’t she the one who severed the fibre-optics connection on the Truth and Reconciliation?
feral perch
@keen canopy Why would it be? Awakening the Nightmare is a thing. The Warfleet depths quote is clearly referring to uncorrupted Precursors. The Primordial was the last being to retain a form like uncorrupted Precursors.
keen canopy
Precursors:
Eldest of the sapient minds in the Milky Way. They had infinite forms, many voices, and singular purpose. The realms they grew and the life they crafted continue on, though they themselves have sunk to unreachable depths.
This just implies the Flood to me, not uncorrupted Precursors.
feral perch
wut. How?
The Flood are still around. It’s saying the Precursors are in dimensions so far below our plane of existence that nothing can reach them.
keen canopy
Sounds similar to another source which calls the Flood something along the lines of "a fallen and corrupted remainder of their former greatness"
I did think the same thing as you do now initially
keen canopy
I know that, what I meant was
It makes me think that "sunk to unreachable depths" is figurative rather than literal
terse lava
@keen canopywheres that quote from
keen canopy
And is simply referring tothem becoming the Flood
feral perch
Somebody get Grim and ask him which it is
keen canopy
It's not a quote, I'll try find what I'm thinking of though
terse lava
It's clearly normal precursors
keen canopy
Oh I think you just reminded me Stone
terse lava
?
feral perch
Eh?
gilded mason
That quote 2EEZY posted most definitely is talking about the Flood
gilded mason
It certainly is
feral perch
No!
keen canopy
I can't find the one about the Flood being merely a "fallen" version of the Precursors, with only a fraction of their power and intellect.
But I did find this:
We are the last of those who gave you breath and form, millions of years ago. We are the last of those your kind defied and ruthlessly destroyed. We are the last Precursors.
feral perch
I think the Warfleet quote is a soft retcon of that.
keen canopy
Yeah I understand your stance perfectly
gilded mason
I think the Warfleet quote is a soft retcon of that.
It really isn't
feral perch
Saying the Flood are actually the last Precursors is like saying John was the last Spartan, at this point
terse lava
Its just talking about those who mvangef to flee. That one there from silentium was of those who became powder
Two different groups
feral perch
Or that, yeah
keen canopy
What turned me, Stone and Ado, is the similar quote about the Flood being not the true Precursors, merely fallen
terse lava
One and managed to flee the Galaxy, the other became a pet hair care product
keen canopy
It makes me lean towards thinking the sunken quote was talking about the same idea
terse lava
@keen canopy The quote I believe you're thinking of was infected copy of the Lord of add most. He was sent by the prime grave mind till librarian to mock her in her final moments. This copy Told her that even the knowledge of the precursors was denied to the grave mind, it done not know the fall might at once had
keen canopy
Like two writers looked at the same story bible or something 😛
feral perch
That’s quite possible
keen canopy
Indeed, as is the other interpretation that some Precursors are alive yet fled to dimensions unreachable.
I just have my money on the simpler explanation, that it's just talking about the Flood.
terse lava
But that passage was talking of the civilizations of the Galaxy. The flood are not a civilization, they are a disease
keen canopy
@terse lava That sounds like exactly it, thanks. We should get the exact quote though to be sure
terse lava
Give me a minute I'll get the book
feral perch
If the introduction of Spartans that ought to be dead is any indicator, I’d bet 343i wants to keep their options open. Same with AtN
keen canopy
We're not at that point yet with S-IIs
feral perch
Thankfully
terse lava
This we were told by the grave mind, the greatest of them, who has consumed 10000 planets and Broughtt entire galaxys to an end this we were told…
The grave mind no more understands the whole truth then we do. It is past all our understanding, from the greatest to the smallest. This reserve was wrapped in precursor architecture protected from many billions of years.
Done
keen canopy
anything along the lines of: "even the knowledge of the precursors was denied to the grave mind, it done not know the fall might at once had" ?
humble yacht
that goes against the actual events of the story though
because the last Precursor literally transferred its consciousness into the Flood after it was destroyed
feral perch
AtN also goes against the ending of Halo 3. Who knows what anything means at this point?
feral perch
Dead, not dead, it’s just a matter of time. Yeah it does, the Flood on the Ark were supposed to be destroyed totally
keen canopy
That's what we all assumed
humble yacht
it doesn't technically go against H3, it just invalidates the impact H3 had on the franchise
keen canopy
But should we have? The ring was literally falling to pieces as it fired.
Now that I agree with Chimera.
humble yacht
it would have been nice if the flood had been gone for longer than 4-5 years
feral perch
The Ark was also supposedly destroyed, until that got retconned. I think by Hunters in the Dark. Also Chimera, it was six or seven years
humble yacht
if another 1000 years passed and then the flood managed to regrow on the Ark, that would have been ok
same difference
my point being barely any time passed before they reached the point of being a major threat again
gilded mason
The Ark was also supposedly destroyed
Though Cortana only said that the ring's destruction "did a number on the Ark" in the end of Halo 3.
keen canopy
The Sentinels fixed the hell out of the Ark though, there's literally an entire planet of raw materials at it's center.
And yea it was implied to be damaged not destroyed.
feral perch
@gilded mason The Essential Visual Guide published by 343i prior to Halo 4 states that the Ark was indeed destroyed.
They’ve since ignored that.
gilded mason
Huh. Never read that one
humble yacht
maybe they just chose to be loose with the definition of destroyed
random cradle
Dang that’s a small detail
humble yacht
it certainly wasn't making rings before repair
feral perch
I’ll quote you the exact wording
“... the UNSC followed their enemies to this remote construct, prevented them from firing Halo, and used a newly formed replacement ring of Installation 04 to obliterate the extant Flood population and the Ark itself.”
terse lava
To be fair? The flood were wiped out on the ark, only infection forma would have lived. However yes, hunters in the dark clearly show the flood as pretty much gone as one of the characters looks on high charity. No barrier
feral perch
obliterate
keen canopy
That is pretty strong wording
feral perch
yikes
gilded mason
Well, that is pretty funny, to be honest
gilded mason
First 343 makes it so that the Ark is actually destroyed, and then backtracks a couple years later.
feral perch
The Flood and the Ark were gone until 343i decided they would make interesting future stories to make money from. I mean, c’mon.
humble yacht
the ark coming back, sure, that place could be useful
keen canopy
to prevent small annoyances like these
humble yacht
that particular flood infestation surviving tho, pure fanservice
gilded mason
Yeah
humble yacht
they could have had the flood return any number of ways
keen canopy
but if we get an FPS Halo playing as Jerome set on the Ark with Banished, Sentinel and Flood enemies
feral perch
We still don’t know the fate of Anodyne Spirit. I wanna know, dangit
keen canopy
all will be worth
humble yacht
but it didn't make sense that an infestation of that size had managed to emerge in post H3 events
terse lava
It was likely either go with Flood or prometheans for the DLC
feral perch
I wanted the Promethean DLC 😦
It would’ve been cooler IMO
The Ark at least had Armigers we know
humble yacht
but robots bad, zombies gud
terse lava
But likely badd plot
keen canopy
Hey Prometheans as a concept, are probably way better suited for an RTS
gilded mason
but robots bad, zombies gud
Mainly because of gameplay.
feral perch
My thoughts exactly!
terse lava
I was thinking more along the lines of you'd be giving cortana the Ark.
feral perch
That’s true. That would be a problem
terse lava
There's a reason plot wise the Ark. Portal shut down and all access to its went caput
feral perch
Hey, why not. You can’t treat him worse than he’s already been treated. @keen canopy
terse lava
Touche
keen canopy
I think him escaping to the Ark somehow and being relegated to a side villain would've been preferable
humble yacht
maybe a small army of Prometheans could have shown up at the ark in order to turn back on the portal and thereby grant Cortana access, and the Banished would have to stop them before they could reactivate the portal
would've been less a throwaway story then
keen canopy
There'd also be nice contrast to what Jul did when his faction met the Didact, and what Atriox would do if the Didact tried to lord over him lol.
terse lava
Perhaps, But you'd have to explain why they got there and cortana did not
humble yacht
cortana is in the domain, if the Ark is cut off from the domain then that would explain why she can't appear there
on the other hand, Promethean forces would just need a ship and some coordinates
which cortana would already have, probably
terse lava
Fair point
I think however people might then complain of why were the prometheans not playable. We've dealt with people want in the flood Playable sense Halo war one
humble yacht
people will always complain
terse lava
True
humble yacht
i don't see what that has to do with anything
what we got in ATN was throw away story about the flood coming back. the state of the galaxy is the same before and after the DLC
terse lava
In hindsight you are correct, that was a rather invalid point of me
humble yacht
if it had been prometheans then it would have established that Cortana was interested in the Ark and would be continuing to try and claim it
terse lava
Well I stand corrected then
Maybe the problem of gone with prometheans over.flood, may have been the overpowered Forerunner vehicles
humble yacht
I don't doubt it was a fun DLC with high production value, but I can't help but look at it as purely fanservice
if anything it prevents use of the Banished outside the HW series since now if the Banished were to leave the Ark, they'd be abandoning maintaining the quarantine
terse lava
Are they really maintaining a quarantine at this point? Seems more the sentinels alone are doing that
humble yacht
last we saw, the energy wall was still broken, unless the sentinels were shown repairing it
terse lava
I don't think we were ever told that the banished returned to that Breach
humble yacht
well the last thing Atriox said to that brute was to clean up his mess
i doubt he was talking about wiping the flood gunk off his face
terse lava
I assumed that was taking care of the remaining flood outside the breach, not the breach it self. I assumed the sentinels were going there to repair it
humble yacht
He said "Secure the breach, clean up your mess"
so we don't know how long that will take
funny enough, the halopedia entry on AtN seems to get that bit wrong
keen canopy
how so?
humble yacht
Once again, he scolds the two brothers before ordering them back to base to clean up
atriox did not order them back to base to clean up
whoever wrote the entry on halopedia misinterpreted the phrase "clean up your mess" as 'clean yourselves up'
terse lava
Heh
keen canopy
fixed
gilded mason
gud job 👍
keen canopy
here's an a few examples of just how dangerous making assumptions on Halopedia can be lol (was just discussing it)
terse lava
You have earned your journey
keen canopy
It has also been noted that a number of descriptions in the book are ostensibly based upon, even quoted from, those of Halopedia. This has also resulted in several errors. Examples of such content include:
The Encyclopedia splits the Battle of Earth into a "First" and "Second" battle, a decision originating from Halopedia, until newer information from Halo: Ghosts of Onyx and Halo 3: ODST established that the battle was in fact one continuous engagement.
Another error has even had impact on the series canon outside of the Encyclopedia itself: the book mentions a faction of Insurrectionists named the "United Rebel Front" or "URF"; this name originated from Halopedia, which had mistakenly interpreted the descriptive term "united rebel front", mentioned in Ghosts of Onyx, as a proper name.
terse lava
I remember some of this stuff, sheesh
keen canopy
The Secessionist Union and the People's Occupation Government are stated to be the same organization, a claim clearly originating from Halopedia, as the original source for the two groups does not indicate they are synonymous.
Shield World 006 is referred to as "the Sharpened Shield", which was a short-lived fan-given name for the installation on Halopedia.
terse lava
Proves how good halopedia is I guess
noble fjord
Ok so played through Halo 5 again
In the end we see Locke tank multiple hits from a Guardian. This brings up the question... what does the Guardian actually do aside from send out an EMP pulse
keen canopy
flap their wings and look majestic
noble fjord
like Osiris is in Physical strain after getting hit by the guardian
terse lava
Likely messing with their nervous system
stoic hamlet
It takes. Long time for Spores to change the atmosphere and infect someone.
terse lava
That was pavium and a fair point. Bero kusavai became a combat form through them rather then an infection form on the infinite succor
Does raise that question of " flood can choose to infect" thing
humble yacht
Not really
We know they can choose but in this case that mist was likely just special effects
An artistic oversight. I doubt they intended for that to be a scenario where the brute could be infected.
terse lava
Maybe, just looking back on various examples
Forerunner era, can choose to infect, johnson? Left alone, 1 marine from the red horse? Becomes a combat form from a tiny flood cut. Crazy marine? Played dead. Arbiter? Left alone
gilded mason
Arbiter? Left alone
Maybe he was good enough in canon to never let his shield drop.
humble yacht
Johnson wasn’t left alone
terse lava
@gilded masonyet Vadumee never fell on the infinite
gilded mason
Did his shield drop?
terse lava
@humble yachtunert flood DNA in him sure
gilded mason
Wait, yeah, I guess so, since Rtas got sliced at the end
humble yacht
That may have been retconned
terse lava
But he never became truly infected like that female marine
humble yacht
Staten retconned Johnson’s “immunity”
gilded mason
That may have been retconned
Yeah
terse lava
Wasnt thinking the immunity part. More the "flood choice" with johnson
humble yacht
Flood doesn’t always have a choice
Sometimes it just messes up
Like with private Jenkins
terse lava
I still say that would be the norm, in the regard that the victim would be fully aware like jenkins, then get transferred to the proto or gravemind when the combat form dies
Allowing Jenkins control though? Yea the infection form goofed
humble yacht
It was an old or comprimised infection form
terse lava
Yep
humble yacht
If it’s still canon that Johnson has insert flood dna in him, then that too could be compromised dna that has lost its virulence
terse lava
A fair point
Come to think of it
Didnt halo war 2 make it canon that all flood victims would be trapped in their bodies like jenkins?
humble yacht
No? Where did you get that from?
noble fjord
I read through Tales of Slipspace again and wow I find Serina rather entertaining in some points.
humble yacht
That would reverse everything Greg bear wrote about the flood
noble fjord
namely when Jerome is throwing grenades at infection forms and she goes "What did I say about no more explosives! The chambers are not built to handle shrapnel"
terse lava
@humble yachtone of the phoenix logs on the flood, which comments that while the flood are incapable of feeling pain, the host is
noble fjord
also while Jerome is clinging to the side of Spirit of Fire after being launched out of the airlock, Serina just goes "You seem preoccupied"
humble yacht
Yes the conversion process is extremely painful
Hence the pained expressions the combat forms exhibit
terse lava
@humble yachtit was talking post infection I believe
humble yacht
Like I said, that would go against everything greg bear added to flood lore
terse lava
Well serina was loosing her mind by that point too
gilded mason
Though their bodies are bent to the Flood's will, occasionally the victim can still whisper for mercy or cry out in pain from ruined lips and half-consumed throats. Or worse, the parasite will speak on their behalf, using stolen thoughts and memories as a psychological weapon.
terse lava
@humble yachtcurious on how? His series added that the hosts live on in the gravemind being tortured. Either way the host doesnt die
humble yacht
Greg bear expanded on the hive mind nature of the flood
terse lava
@gilded masonalso another which comments death may not save them in time
gilded mason
There is no cure or treatment that can save these victims, and even death may not save their consciousness from being absorbed into the Flood collective for later use.
This one?
noble fjord
How does a Gravemind choose a personality < _ <
terse lava
@humble yachtdid I miss something then?
humble yacht
All those consumed by the flood are added to the compound intelligence, a writhing mass of endless pain and torment suffered together
terse lava
@gilded masonyep 👌
gilded mason
How does a Gravemind choose a personality
What do you mean?
terse lava
@humble yachtyes, how does that change what I was saying?
noble fjord
Well our lovely commonly known Gravemind clearly loves his poets based on how he speaks
humble yacht
You were suggesting that combat form hosts don’t get added to the flood
terse lava
@gilded masonassuming he means Male-likw
humble yacht
Just their bodies get taken
terse lava
@humble yachtoh no no
humble yacht
Also the tagging is starting to get cumbersome
terse lava
Apologies
gilded mason
Well our lovely commonly known Gravemind clearly loves his poets based on how he speaks```
He felt like it for a while.Was only saying that while their knowledge is transferred into the hive mind, I have been ression that the hosts consciousness/soul will still reside in their host bodies until it is destroyed. Then they're fully transferred to the hive mind
stoic hamlet
I don’t recall if those inside the gravemind were being tortured?
Their consciousnesses still existed, but wasn’t it more like they were just “there”. They felt nothing.
humble yacht
The gravemind or the primordial mentioned that the minds were not having fun time
terse lava
Makes me wonder if the minds are fully aware of everyone else. Or for each of them, they are alone
humble yacht
Infection was designed to be punishment to get back at the forerunners
Like a perversion of the mantle they loved so much
stoic hamlet
I wonder if that changed by the time of “Human Weakness”?
IIRC Cortana was subjected to both good and bad memories.
She was in a long dead alien’s memories of home, and then when she interacted with the Marine from the IAC he was still fighting, or at least didn’t seem in pain necessarily.
But it’s been a while since I’ve read it.
terse lava
Quite fitting for the forerunners, not so much everyone else
I just read that again last night, you are right. Though it seemed to jump from the marine being a actual mind, and just a memory
humble yacht
Did human weakness come before or after forerunner trilogy?
terse lava
Before
gilded mason
It was written before
stoic hamlet
It could be the Gravemind was just screwing with her.
terse lava
Possible too
humble yacht
It was definitely screwing with her
terse lava
It never clarified Yates's nature to cortana
humble yacht
Whether it was totally lying is unknown
stoic hamlet
I like the idea of the Flood not being painful after you’re fully converted. You don’t feel pain, or sadness, or joy or happiness.
You’re just there.
terse lava
Well the story did say others were trying to find a voice too
humble yacht
For pre bear flood I would have agreed
terse lava
But what state of "there"
gilded mason
Also, that Phoenix Log on Proto-Graveminds...
The Proto-Gravemind within High Charity is the shadow of a far greater threat, one that will unleash damnation upon the stars should it grow unchecked.
😕
gilded mason
Goes into what Chimera said before, about this making the end of Halo 3 just a bit less impactful
stoic hamlet
But it’s now become “peaceful” or something.
Or yeah, Gravy was screwing with Cortana.
terse lava
I find that odd, if the proto grave mind was in high charity, yet another one formed miles away
humble yacht
Or it moved
gilded mason
Why would it move outside of the safety of High Charity?
terse lava
But high charity was massive
humble yacht
It was also mostly broken
fair hazel
and trying to expand into this new area
hasty locust
The novelization of Ce (the flood I think it was called) doesn’t make infection seem peacefully painless, however it would be neat if it was making it like “a cure” to life’s problems and such, but then again maybe it is cause the only examples we get is poor Jenkins and stubborn Keyes
terse lava
Sad to think that keys would still be alive within the flood
hasty locust
Yeah, but since chief killed him wouldn’t his conscious be dead or whatnot
Like after you kill a combat form whoever’s consciousness it is is like of the died right?
gilded mason
Nah, pretty sure once you’re infected, that’s it: you’re now forever a part of the Flood, even if your original body is destroyed.
hasty locust
I see
inner basin
Once you’re infected your memories and knowledge are basically part of the Flood hive forever more or less. At least I think so, unless it’s just owned by one singular Gravemind and if it dies the knowledge dies with it, but that doesn’t really make sense if it were so
inner basin
Well if you’re fully infected then no, Jenkins was in so much pain because he wasn’t fully transformed I believe
gilded mason
Things like the Phoenix Logs certainly implied it, I think, if other things like the Forerunner books didn’t already
inner basin
Hmm.... Maybe I need to read the Phoenix Logs. There is a lot of knowledge in those that would’ve proved useful for the conversation we had yesterday about whatever it was that I can’t remember, and now today
hasty locust
Lol
gilded mason
Forever a private, and then he’s Flood. What a life.
terse lava
Well now he truly will be forever a pvt
gilded mason
lol
inner basin
He should’ve fired his weapon...
terse lava
Forever cleaning those flood lavatories with the I fected grunts
inner basin
It’s all Johnson asked of him
terse lava
Johnson failed them all. He didnt glare at the flood hard enough
Although, there is one bright side for those infected by the flood
inner basin
Yeah? What’s that?