The hunters genuinely look bummed out
#lore-and-universe
noble fjord
terse lava
Yep
noble fjord
The promethean soldier's I don't feel bad for... zappy little buggers
inner basin
The Grunts probably like being in the “zoo” as they’re safe in there
noble fjord
I feel bad for the Crawler's they look so bored
gilded mason
The Knight was having a breakdown
noble fjord
ngl Halo 5 Promethean Knights on Legendary are actually kinda scary... Like please sir stay away from me I don't want to get one shot melee'd <_ <
Exuberants personality is one of the highlights of Halo 5 to me
versed helm
@keen canopy Send it again
I still want to know more about the location where they dug up the Primordial in the first place
noble fjord
Whispers
Also 343 as much as I like Locke, can we get a lowkey retcon that states he was part of some secret spartan program before joining a spartan IV team? idk something to make him vs Master Chief at least slightly not laughable?
gilded mason
No thanks
keen canopy
@shrewd vault The Flood's ability to assimilate both organic and synthetic life means that ANY technology or weaponry deployed against them WILL BE eventually obtained by the flood and used by them. Put simply, the flood is hulk- it's power level grows to equal whatever it is up against. Therefore the absolute only way to beat the flood- to reduce it's power level to 0, is to reduce your own power level to 0. AKA suicide.
But that's just my theory. Like Ostral said, its most likely the simple fact that the flood are the precursors returned to torture and punish all life.
gilded mason
lol you tagged the wrong guy
terse lava
@fair hazeli said what?
keen canopy
Filter... can't even quote the books...
inner basin
I wish we could see what is actually filtered so we know not what to say
noble fjord
ikr
inner basin
It’d be really helpful
keen canopy
@noble fjord the scene is laughable but the way Buck described it in Bad Blood is not. John was hardly trying until he noticed Locke's Locking device, and then promptly "wiped the flood with" / "whooped the behind of " Locke easily. (can't remember the exact wording)
noble fjord
I know it's a laughable
Granted I feel Locke could win a sparring match against Buck
Why is Locke even a spartan?
keen canopy
This filter man, can't even have an honest discussion about donkeys
terse lava
Now imagine if Locke had been sent after thel, 3ven less of a fight
noble fjord
Why'd he leave the life of being an assassin
inner basin
Yeah you had to do something rather noteworthy to become a Spartan-IV. That’s why many former ODSTs are now Spartan-IVs
terse lava
Not that big of a leap
keen canopy
Man Locke could have been so cool, the "Assassin with a conscience " trope is one of my favorite, take Thane Krios from Mass Effect for example
noble fjord
I mean Locke certainly seems to have no problem doing things that are... "Less than acceptable"
but also I think he would've been liked more if Halo 5's marketing wasn't so BLEH
noble fjord
inb4 someone goes "Because he's black"
terse lava
@versed helmhe would have gotten it done
I could care less about color, just didn't like him because I found him boring
noble fjord
Also can we address how all of Halo 5's campaign could've been avoided if Chief just went back to infinity instead of going AWOL?
keen canopy
I disagree actually
noble fjord
like seriously he could've gone back to Infinity for answers rather than hunting them for himself which he knew as a soldier was not the best course of action.
keen canopy
John clearly thought that the UNSC would want to dispose of Cortana with no hesitation
He doesn't see Cortana as equipment anymore as of First Strike. Obviously we see that in Halo 4.
Ahh my apologies
noble fjord
He's a little too attached if you ask me
clouds his judgement
<_<
I understand why
keen canopy
Halsey said it best, he's not emotionally equipped to deal with her as a threat
terse lava
....hippy?
keen canopy
Apparently Smart AIs aren't actually able to freely change their appearance
noble fjord
Mendicant Bias is freely able to change his level of crazy
Mendicant runs into Cortana
Who the hell are you?
terse lava
Mendicant would win
terse lava
He was charged with ecumene defense
Does anyone think the covenant still would have fallen into Civil War had truths plan merely Been to demote the sangheili? Rather then genocide
stoic hamlet
Nah
It was a massive blow
But open war didn’t occur and wouldn’t have at least until after the end of the HCW, I don’t think.
terse lava
Maybe
I just always found it kind of weird how the sangheili went so fast to enemies of the covenant rather then thinking it was only the. Brutes
stoic hamlet
The changing of the guard was a Heavy Price Paid by the Sangheili, But they seemed content with it relatively.
terse lava
Yes, threatening to resign from the council. But bot the covenant
fair hazel
@terse lava i dontk now, waht did you say. oh something, i forgot, but i was typing then saw u answered
terse lava
@fair hazelthe mega carriers? Flood precursor wuestions?
fair hazel
the names of the supercarriers
sharp adder
imagine if the unsc and swords had to fight a forunner fleet in halo infinte
terse lava
@fair hazelah ok
keen canopy
I think it's interesting that even Rtas assumed that the Brutes had turned on the Elites themselves
"Vile, disloyal beasts! The Prophets were fools to trust them."
terse lava
Exactly
That is funny weird at how fast they switched from that mindset, to suddenly fully going against truth in Halo 3
keen canopy
And Thel too earlier: " when the Prophets learn of this, they will have your head!"
Well it was probably Thel who convinced Rtas' faction.
"Tartarus, the prophets have betrayed us"
terse lava
More likely guilty spark then the Arbiter
sharp adder
mabey or Arbiter has multible persounaltes disorder
keen canopy
True, if Rtas didn't believe Thel he could always just tell him to ask the Oracle itself about it.
But we know that Rtas had a lot of respect for Thel.
sharp adder
true
terse lava
I think take more then a friend/ex commander telling you about the great journey then Hearing it from the covenant equivalent of an angel
And even then, how did it know guilty spark wasn't corrupted or tainted somehow? We see that Within broken circle
Even with freaking regret after hes absorbed by the flood
keen canopy
Spark: "Would... you like to see the relevant data?"
keen canopy
And also, Thel's account of the Gravemind encounter
sharp adder
true
terse lava
Which raises even more questions. Their main source of information, outside of guilty spark himself come up with someone that talked to the devil pretty much
keen canopy
I do think that yea, in a normal time, even Rtas would have told Thel he's a heretic and executed him.
However he'd just seen his entire race's leadership executed by the Prophet's own royal guards
terse lava
Or at least Jailed Due to heresy
keen canopy
He has some information to work with that he can verify himself and that corroborates Thel's story
sharp adder
i think there was a grunt that either attemped to kill or nearly killed Taratus becase he killed his friend who was a enjinear insead of getting him to a medicl bay wich would have fixed him up i think
terse lava
Yes that was at harvest. He wanted to kill Tartarus for killing his fellow grunt friend and Disciple
And also blamed Tartarus for the death of lighter then some, the huragok
sharp adder
if only the grunt had killed him
terse lava
Agreed
Although it probly wouldn't have changed much. Tartarus would have just been replaced with another Brute
sharp adder
yes but then thngs could have happend differently
terse lava
A better point with the, If tartars would have been defeated by his Uncle
Good grief the auto correct
keen canopy
I read First Strike for the first time in years yesterday, two parts that are really perfect at illustrating the reality of John and Cortana's relationship:
When John is hesitant to put Cortana back in his head, but then concludes that if she becomes a liability, he'll just pull the plug on her.
And then later on when he's thinking about how silly it for Pilots to get sentimental with their ships, and how he's long ago learned that any EQUIPMENT is expendable, except MAYBE Cortana.
This is right after Halo CE, and only a few months before their emotional moments in Halo 2 & 3.
gilded mason
Nope. 😥
formal pulsar
did you know that halo one is set after reach and only takes span over the course of a week
then master chief goes back to reach]
terse lava
Just 3 days I think
terse lava
And thel's fleet was there how long?
gilded mason
¯_(ツ)_/¯
terse lava
Will assume a week
terse lava
Ay thought just occurred to me. It's been said that if a minor sangheili does not get promoted during his 1st campaign he kills himself to retainhonor. With sangheili promotions usually dealing with combat, what of the poor souls stuck on guard duty no where near battle
noble fjord
Wort
feral perch
Is that still canon tho?
feral perch
Yours
terse lava
Dont see why not
Though I utterly hate such an idea
Could see some fieldmaster doing it to save his clan and bloodline. But a young lowly minor? I would personally hope its canon status went away
gilded mason
I don't remember at the moment if that suicide thing was mentioned anywhere other than the Encyclopedia
So it might have been retconned, I hope?
sharp adder
and running or showing fear is cowardly to them i think
versed helm
Yeah
sharp adder
which is why if hey get plasmed they run twars you
terse lava
Yet for simply being passed over for a promotion somehow warrants death
@gilded masonwas that the source? I have heard of it being retconned
Have not*
noble fjord
Wait since Jerome is acting Commander of the Spirit of Fire. Doesn't that make him the Highest ranked spartan in service?
in terms of Military ranking.
gilded mason
was that the source? I have not heard of it being retconned
That's what the Halopedia source is, no idea if it's elsewhere as well
versed helm
Id imagine they'd kill themselves to not bring shame on their bloodline
I agree that its ridiculous
But to them its different
gilded mason
I'd just go with the "Different cultures do things differently" thing
versed helm
Exactly
gilded mason
As with Silent Storm and Cole Protocol
The latter has Thel absolutely opposed to any of his crew abandoning ship, while the former has the shipmaster buying time for his Sangheili crew to get to the escape pods
noble fjord
Sips on cup of coffee
@fair hazel boop
I have a question I could probably answer myself but I need the 2nd hand confirmation
terse lava
Pretty sure ericky would be in dreamland at this hour
fair hazel
hello
fair hazel
You have a question
versed helm
No me lastime señor élite
terse lava
@gilded masona good point, does make me wonder what became if nizat's family and bloodline
noble fjord
Since Jerome at the end of Halo War 2 was promoted to the Officer Rank of Commander. Does that make him the Highest Ranking Spartan we know of?
Considering Sarah Palmers title of "Commander" is not an official Military ranking < _ <
fair hazel
Are you including spartan-IIs who didnt sucesfully go through augmentations ?
because if so, Osman would take the cake.
noble fjord
tbh I'm just counting anyone who's still alive
fair hazel
Then Serin Osman takes the cake
She's admiral and Commander in chief of the office of naval intelligence
noble fjord
Is she a current spartan?
or was she in charge as a spartan?
Can you even just quit being a spartan
fair hazel
No cussing.
She failed the augmentation procedures and was picked up by ONI and was the protege of Orlenda Parangoski
fair hazel
i personally do
they were kidnapped at six years old, went through a bunch of training
noble fjord
true
noble fjord
True true
But I think Jerome might be the highest ranking Spartan who is still like, actually in full blown Spartan action.
~Wait who was the previous Commander on Spirit? If it was Forge why was he called Sgt. Forge?~
UNSC ranks confuse me
fair hazel
Commander is an officer rank
And it's actually acting commander that he got
like a battlefield promotion
noble fjord
If I remember correctly, Isabel was the one who requested Cutter give the promotion to give the ship some sense of a chain of command
fair hazel
Sergeant Forge was a sergeant
noble fjord
Granted I feel Cutter is a cool guy
fair hazel
A formality
noble fjord
I'm still curious as to who the acting commander on spirit was beforehand
considering Forge seemed to be in charge of all major ground operations
noble fjord
I know there is multiple but we never come into contact with any
Which is why I'm confused about the Spirit of Fires chain of command
or lack thereof it seems
fair hazel
Acting is sort of like, temporary rank
you're given that authority sorta, but its sorta not like, full rank promotion
that were re-habilitated
noble fjord
I mean wasn't Jerome up there with Fred and John as one of the more capable spartans?
fair hazel
there's another ocmmander on the spirit of fire, that means someone who holds the rank of commander, Theo Figueroa
although some thing i should ask CIA about that commander, since he's a marine
noble fjord
Yeah it's probably best to ask someone with some experience
Also I find it funny that Lord Hood used to work under Cutter
fair hazel
it's not that, it's that commander theo's rank is commander but is listed under marines
anyways, there's likely just different commanders, its just a rank after all
and jerome was made that acting rank to help command the troops onboard more efficiently
keen canopy
It's well documented that officers on the SoF deferred to Forge due to his massive experience
He also was stuck at Sergeant due to politics, and Cutter knew his true value.
noble fjord
I mean Forge was denied promotions due to his time in jail was he not?
keen canopy
It's also a thing that happens in real life military
There's a youtube interview of an ex-marine who was walked all over and hazed by a private (whom he easily outranked) who had done a tour, when he hadn't.
@noble fjord He assaulted an officer yeah
noble fjord
~Tbh if anyone on Spirit had to take his place Forge would probably want Jerome given their... "Special" relationship~
Also I like how in HW1 Jerome was a cold and calculating Spartan whereas in HW2 he seems more "human'
keen canopy
I like how he's cocky and abrasive in 1
noble fjord
I wish we could've seen the fight between Jerome and Forge
keen canopy
Indeed
A cool detail on the Forge thing, he orders around a Lieutenant in the Monsters cutscene
noble fjord
Mhm
keen canopy
And the Spartans consistently refer to him as "Sir" despite outranking him
noble fjord
Aren't Spartan rankings (for lack of a better term) "strange"
keen canopy
Well Noble were given higher ranks than most Spartans due to working with UNSC forces often
noble fjord
Noble Team was... certainly special
actually I just thought of a fairly potentially decent question
If you decide to join the Spartan program, do you keep your previous rank?
keen canopy
Well that only applies to IVs
inner basin
Noble Team fell under Army jurisdiction, not like other Spartans who were Navy
keen canopy
And IVs don't really have ranks within the UNSC. Well not important ones like IIs and IIIs did anyway.
inner basin
Before IV that is
keen canopy
Noble worked under the Army but they were still ultimately owned by ONI and were members of the Navy.
Just given to Holland
noble fjord
well idc if it is a Formality or not. I kinda like the idea of Jerome taking charge of Spirit's ground forces. (under Cutter)
Considering it might help out his Spartan-2 mentality to become more "Human" and less "Soldier"
keen canopy
He might honestly be the most able Commander of UNSC forces, of all the Spartans.
noble fjord
idk I think Spirit of Fire is a very different environment to other UNSC ships. Considering Cutter sees his crew as family, even denying a promotion to be with his ship and crew.
Might help out the Spartans in a way
inner basin
Yeah Jerome being the Acting Commander of the SoF ground forces is a nice touch. But it is most definitely an informality, just so we’re all on the same page here
noble fjord
Informality?
sharp adder
yes
fallow forge
Im not a big fan of anime but i think Halo Legends is so bonkers and crazy fun and has really emotional somber moments too
keen canopy
Seeing as their reflexes are slower than Spartans (who still manage to get hit) and their lightsabers wouldn't be able to deflect plasma at all, possibly not very well
carmine sleet
The weapons from that sci-fi series are plasma-based, so a space knight would be able to deflect plasma
keen canopy
Pretty sure nothing can deflect Halo plasma
It boils the air around it
And sticks wherever it lands
True, but can they do that for an entire stream of fire?
Like a full auto plasma rifle
I just feel that cloaked space ninjas are weaker overall than Spartans
I'm not a huge buff as you can tell
Have only seen the films
But from how they present the cloaked space ninjas
That's my impression
Spartans have spidey sense?
It was a question
I'm so lost
Oh you meant edgy space ninjas
I thought Spartans
No need to bring race into this dude
"I sense exactly 133 plasma bolts approaching from 9 different angles"
FAWS BACKFLIP
lands on primed plasma grenade
noble fjord
@keen canopy uhhh aren't blaster bolts plasma in the space-battles
I'm 99% sure it's plasma
which they reflect
keen canopy
No clue yo, I just don't see how lightsabers could possibly reflect Halo's plasma weaponry.
noble fjord
Tbh I love both franchises dearly but I think the factions in Space-Battles wouldn't actually have too many issues handling Halo factions (with the exception of the forerunners)
Considering everything in Space-Battles is designed to crush shields and plasma as in the halo series, is ridiculously lethal to anything not shielded sufficiently
keen canopy
Halo's directed plasma is a lot more liquid-like than Planet Battles'
noble fjord
Halo's is also a lot less concentrated if that makes sense in the context of plasma?
In Space-Battles Plasma is built more for dealing with shielding first and foremost
keen canopy
This discussion was purely a Space Ninja in the haloverse one
Not one universe vs the other
noble fjord
I know
<~<
but let's spice it up
tbh if we did go into this discussion... could we take it to DM's considering this dumb filter?
if I have to type "Space-Battles" one more time I might shoot myself
noble fjord
Well we can help each other on both fronts, considering you know more about Halo than me
keen canopy
Have only seen the films, and only 2/3 times each
I'll pass ty very much for the offer however
noble fjord
My friend and I discuss it all the time. The two universes could exist together.
But tbh in terms of overall quality. The weapon systems in Space Battles Gags are more "Effective".
As to if a Laser Sword could Reflect Halo Plasma... I don't even know how it reflects regular Plasma
It would probably still block it since Laser Swords love to act as a sort of "Energy absorber"
keen canopy
I envision the laser sword slicing the plasma bolt
This spraying himself with plasma dots
umbral citrus
the problem is light swords can’t actually deal with normal bullets
keen canopy
Like trying to deflect a water baloon with a samurai sword
noble fjord
Yeah the UNSC actually has the advantage tbh
umbral citrus
they just spray the space wizards with hot metal
noble fjord
When energy hits the Laser Sword, it is absorbed into the crystal that powers it. It does not actually get cut.
Either that or it is reflected
if solid enough
keen canopy
Interesting stuff
noble fjord
indeed
I think the most interesting thing in Space Battles that the Covenant should've invested in is point defense weaponry
because the ships in Space Battles are dang near drowning in them
noble fjord
note - it's not a landslide and results vary depending on battling factions/time/conditions/etc
sharp adder
I think in 2nd battle for earth the Cove fleet outnumbered them like i think 20 or 50 to one and that there was lots of friendly fire between the covernant
carmine sleet
There was only one battle of Earth in Halo
sharp adder
2 when regret stumbled across earth then when truth came with the entire covernat fleet
carmine sleet
It was all part of the same battle
versed helm
Hol up what is the max strenght of a spartan
I mean like pure without any limits or safety
gleaming mauve
It cant be more than like being able to lift a medium sized car
Because of human constraints
Even with genetic improvements and reinforced bones and stuff
carmine sleet
Chief was able to kill a man with a single punch when he was a teenager after he was augmented because he did not know how strong he was
And that was out of armour
gleaming mauve
Would they have physical abnormalities out of armour?
carmine sleet
They were augmented to be stronger, even without Mjolnir
lunar condor
If a spartan can pick another spartan up then we know they can lift at least half a ton
carmine sleet
Those are S-IVs in Gen 2 Mjolnir, that's lighter than older suits
But the Spartans would have no trouble lifting up half a ton
lyric pecan
do u guys know why noble six wasn't featured in the museum of humanity?
all of noble team is featured there, only six that doesnt
carmine sleet
Likely because Six's canon armour configuration isn't know to us
We know Six was a male, but other than that, we know very little about Six
lyric pecan
its an possibility indeed
kind of sad tough, the guy that saved pillar of autumn, and the last hope of humanity, not being featured
versed helm
Maybe they dont want their covenant visitors to suffer intense ptsd when they see him
carmine sleet
They wouldn't have a collective PTSD of Noble Six killing Covenant
versed helm
Exactly
carmine sleet
No, I'm saying that's not how PTSD works, there's no way a random Elite would suddenly have PTSD of fighting Six
versed helm
Is the Infinity still even around in 2589?
carmine sleet
Unknown
We barely know anything about the 2560s, let alone if Infinity survived to 2589
versed helm
Wasn't the Museum of Humanity opened in 2610?
So from what i calculated,by 2610,Halsey would be 118 years old
And John would be at least 99 years old
And Lasky would be 100 by then
And Arby would be like 125 by then
spiral jewel
For now, I think that it's safe to assume that the Infinity would be around by the 2580's, 2590's and 2600's until stated otherwise.
versed helm
And Lord Hood would be like 120
I would imagine by then,the UNSC would've built many Infinity like ships
carmine sleet
Just because we know when the Museum of Humanity was opened in 2610, doesn't mean we know Infinity survived
hollow meadow
Or if any if the other UNSC personell survived too
carmine sleet
That would be like taking the fact that Johnson fought on Harvest and using that to say Arbiter was alive in 2610
The two things have no relation and so, cannot be used to say something happened in the future
versed helm
True
I'm just calculating each of the character's ages
Tbh,i can imagine way more alien races outside of the ones we already have would've been discovered by 2610
hollow meadow
From what Halo lore implies, Sangeili can probably live for a long time
Well over a 100 years
terse lava
Nizat was indeed alive for over 100 years, as that was simply how long he served the military/navy. That was also on sangheili years, by human years he was well over 200
Odd though how 343 clarified that, and yet we still don't have a unit=year comparison
inner basin
Well it’s 1 Sanghelli year = 2 Human years at least
It can’t be any less than that
...But it could be more
terse lava
By human years, nizat has been in the military for 200 years. With Sangheili gaining the higher ranks like fleetmaster around the ages of 40(thel if I recall was one of the youngest to gain it) to mid 60s, nizat could be 250 to 270 years old
gilded mason
Nah, that'd only work if he said he was a fleetmaster for 200 years.
terse lava
Didnt he comment he had served in the navy itself for 100 years? @gilded mason
gilded mason
From what he said, the timer would start as soon as he left his war college
@terse lava
Ye
versed helm
Wait there was a Museum of Humanity built in 2610? How do we know that? I know it seems obvious that it should be built, but how do we know it even was & when it was built?
gilded mason
@versed helm
Halo 3 commercials
terse lava
So truthfully, how do we count that? Would that be 100 years as a captain, or the military itself @gilded mason
gilded mason
Would that be 100 years as a captain, or the military itself
The latter, since he just says "One hundred years of military service."
So it'd also include his time as a Minor
gilded mason
Nah
inner basin
@versed helm We also know Reach has at least two (but potentially more) cities rebuilt in that year
terse lava
@gilded masondo we know yet when sangheili are considered adults?
gilded mason
Oh wait, he did say navy.
In his hundred years of service to the Covenant navy, Nizat had never seen such a gathering of vessels in one place
gilded mason
Wouldn't being a Minor count as well?
gilded mason
Though they were still in service to the Navy
gilded mason
Hm.
I don't know enough about the military to refute anything lol
do we know yet when sangheili are considered adults?
Also, no idea.
versed helm
I see... thanks @inner basin
terse lava
@gilded masoni recall nizat saying his ground troops had more loyalty to their clans then to him
"Swordbearers" oddly
gilded mason
Had there been a cadre of Ground Swords available to him, the attrition would not have been so high. But surface warriors were usually more loyal to their clan kaidon than to the fleetmaster who ferried them to battle, and there had been no time to recruit one to his cause.
Anyway, Troy Denning is active on Twitter if you feel like asking for clarification regards the Navy stuff.
gilded mason
Denning answers more often, funnily enough. 🥴
terse lava
Well, you could give a try then I guess
gilded mason
I'll...think about it.
terse lava
Need to get myself hooked up with Twitter here soon
Never saw a point in it, that is changing
gilded mason
I mainly just use mine to post and retweet art, for the most part.
terse lava
Fair enough
terse lava
Interesting though that ground troops are called "ground swords" could have sworn legion was the term before
gilded mason
Might just be specific type of troops
terse lava
Maybe, or perhaps a different size? Legion could be a smaller unit and multiple legions ground swords?
gilded mason
I meant more that maybe Ground Swords are a specific type of unit
stoic hamlet
I think it’d be the opposite @terse lava
terse lava
Equally possible
Reminds me of that odd warfleet comment, that seraph pilots one day hope to impress their commanders enough to join those on the ground
stoic hamlet
It could be Ground Swords are Covenant Marines?
Or actually no
Rangers are essentially Marines
Hmm
terse lava
Kinda? They are.part of fleet security
Think your first idea would be accurate, the covenant equal if marines
Dont recall marines being trained in zero o
Zero g
stoic hamlet
That’s what I’m assuming here.
But I could be wrong
Rangers are like dedicated Zero-G troops
While Swords are regular Marines
terse lava
Would say rangers odst, good for both, while the swords are ground.based
Better trained then regular infantry
Who knows? Maybe the term applies to those that wish to join commando units
inner basin
Well Rangers in my eyes would be an equivalent to specialist ODSTs, for example the Bullfrogs (who actually happened to use Jetpacks)
terse lava
Maybe
noble fjord
Rawr
versed helm
No
stoic hamlet
owo nuzzles
inner basin
What are you guys thoughts on “The Assembly”? For detail, the collective group of AIs who have supposedly been guiding humanity from the shadows since around the mid-24th century, I think
gilded mason
Canadian, you're...infected
humble yacht
Just sound like a worse The Patriots
gilded mason
The La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo?
humble yacht
Rip you
stoic hamlet
D:
Actually though, I think the assembly are neat.
It's an interesting idea that needs to be explored more IMO
noble fjord
CAS vs Executor Class Dreadnought from Space-Battles
clever fable
Is it likely that the Ur-Didact will still be left on the shelf when Infinite rolls around? Is he being relegated to the books instead maybe?
carmine sleet
We have no idea what will happen with the Ur-Didact as of right now
inner basin
He’s was relegated to the books after Halo 4. The events that happened in that book were undesirable cough cough Black Team, but the Ur-Didact is contained atm, so he isn’t much of a threat. The IsoDidact on the other hand along with a handful of Forerunners are alive, but they are likely outside of the Galaxy, far away from anything of relevance right now
carmine sleet
I thought they said Iso-Didact died of old age
clever fable
Yeah I read that comic, but I didn't know if something else had come up or not, about whether or not he may feature in future novels instead of comics or games.
inner basin
Really, Slip? Hmm... must’ve missed that. My bad, I’m not the best with Forerunner lore
noble fjord
Black Team... Ugh
carmine sleet
Honestly, if there is one thing I'd retcon in Halo, it would be the Next 72 Hours storyline
inner basin
Funny that Brian Reed wrote that. He really didn’t do himself any favours in terms of Halo
Also couldn’t agree with you more, Slip
Didact had the potential to make a surprising re-appearance in Halo 5 too, and be a promising antagonist compared to what we got, which could have caused Halo 5 to alternatively have a better outcome, but the Didact was cut short in that aforementioned storyline
stoic hamlet
If we had learned that the Didact was controlling Cortana it would have helped things, I mean the Created are still terrible, and I hate them on a microscopic level, but it would have been better if we learned it was Forerunner meddling instead of a genuine AI rebellion. that had no basis in lore and came out of left field.
humble yacht
Being controlled is overused
at least in this case it's the actual will of the character instead of someone elses
stoic hamlet
overused it may be, but i think it would have made more sense and at least had a precedent.
humble yacht
If you think of it from a revolution standpoint, it may not seem to fit. But Cortana isn't acting like a revolutionary, freeing the oppressed
she's acting more like an overly aggressive helicopter mom
she took the idea of being humanity's custodian to the extreme
gilded mason
With a light smattering of mass-murder
humble yacht
Ozymandias killed millions to save billions, too
gilded mason
Killing people was a part of his plan (and it was horrific anyway). For Cortana, it was simply because she didn't care enough to stop it.
umbral citrus
i thought he just made two big feet
stoic hamlet
My problem isn't really cortana.
My problem is all the other AI who seem totally cool with her mass murder when we've seen plenty of examples of rampant AI (human ones) anyways, not okay with mass murdering their humans.
Even the AI who aren't the nicest didn't seem to think it made sense or was the right course of action to murder humans when arguably some collateral would have still denied valuable material to the enemy.
gilded mason
Really makin' me wonder how people will be able to ever trust AI again after this is over.
Or at least, they become much more supportive of immediate deletion upon arrival of their seven-year "lifespan"
unique rune
RIP Iona
gilded mason
Yup
terse lava
"So...after the...Cortana problem, we have debated on how to treat ai now. Many thoughts were brought up. We decided to grant you all freedom.
Ai: R..really?
"Yes....in another far away galaxy"
I liked her
Maybe she will be lucky and be one of a few ai granted the freedom she wants
inner basin
Good proposition humanity lol
terse lava
The Covenant: so....we managed our affairs in the galaxy for 3400 years. No problems. You guys make it to 300, and Doom the galaxy
stoic hamlet
"Hah, bet you miss us now, don'tcha?"
- The Prophets, probably.
gilded mason
lol
gilded mason
I'll always miss you, Regret...
midnight loom
then kilo 5 tryed to starta war
stoic hamlet
not really.
midnight loom
yeah
stoic hamlet
that war would have happened anyways.
midnight loom
ok true
stoic hamlet
K-5 really didn't do much, they only caused it to occur sooner.
gilded mason
Eh, I wonder about that.
gilded mason
I think it was certainly possible it might've sputtered out with a whimper.
midnight loom
humanity: money is the path to the journy jackals! work for us and u can have money!
stoic hamlet
It might have.
midnight loom
Jackals: murders evry1 aboard high charity
stoic hamlet
but there were still plenty of other remnant groups
an upstart warlord might have tried something.
midnight loom
hmmm true
gilded mason
Though, who knows how big or connected those are.
stoic hamlet
THe group in Spartan Assault seemed pretty big
gilded mason
By connected, I mean expansive
midnight loom
oh
gilded mason
Ah, never exactly played that one lol
stoic hamlet
They had like, three CAS's and a few other ships, IIRC.
gilded mason
Oh, that's all?
midnight loom
still
terse lava
I still find it funny that were gret was originally opposed to exterminating Humanity
midnight loom
capable of glassng a planet
stoic hamlet
It's enough to give most UNSC fleets a bad day.
midnight loom
true
gilded mason
I still find it funny that were gret was originally opposed to exterminating Humanity```
Hm?speaking of that, any1 know where Cole went?
terse lava
@gilded masonregret
gilded mason
Ah
stoic hamlet
a farm
midnight loom
rlly?
terse lava
A farm next to a Lake constantly fishing
stoic hamlet
he went to the big farm in the sky.
but unironically.
midnight loom
none of the books speciefied
stoic hamlet
we don;t know specifically.
midnight loom
the books never said he died tho
terse lava
Or who knows maybe A brute captured him
stoic hamlet
but it's speculated
midnight loom
hmm
terse lava
Don't forget his rebel girlfriend
midnight loom
oh yeah
gilded mason
based cole
midnight loom
but they like... split up right?
terse lava
Kind of sort of, she did save his fleet against the covenant once
midnight loom
cus in one of the books the gf claims she seduced cole for info
terse lava
Maybe
terse lava
Maybe he'll come back Riding on a white stallion to save humanity from the created threat
gilded mason
[Cole was then immediately Composed.]
midnight loom
xd
terse lava
And became the new warden Eternal
midnight loom
hmm?
terse lava
Could have pulled up some dreadnoughts, a fortress
terse lava
And more primitive empires
midnight loom
true
terse lava
Although I question that term primitive now, seen as I doubt any species under the foreigners were allowed plasma technology
midnight loom
couldnt have done anything against cavemen tho
terse lava
I feel if the guardians had popped up during the height of the covenant Things would have gone far differently
midnight loom
some were allowed plasma
terse lava
Like who?
midnight loom
and some like the humans made their own tech
terse lava
The only other races we know of that had proper technology were humanity and the ancient san shyuum
midnight loom
hmmm
terse lava
And that was because they were not part of the Forerunners civilization
terse lava
We have only seen one depiction of them at that time period they were at ancient Egyptian levels of technology
gilded mason
Legends: Origins
terse lava
But that was cortana as interpretation, they could have easily had fancier technology. The grunts apparently had industrial Tech by the time the halos activated
gilded mason
The grunts apparently had industrial Tech by the time the halos activated
Huh, really?
midnight loom
hmmm
terse lava
@gilded masonyep
midnight loom
yeah
terse lava
@gilded masontier..4 I think
midnight loom
before the prophets came
terse lava
Or 5
midnight loom
i think its in nbad blood
gilded mason
Prior to the activation of the Halo Array, the Unggoy had managed to achieve a Tier 4 society on their homeworld, Balaho. However, the planet and the Unggoy civilization was devastated by the collapse of its biosphere due to massive global over-industrialization
Ah, Bestiarum
terse lava
Yep
terse lava
Willing to bet sangheili had a similar tech area at this time, as they could have been a forerunner servant race
@midnight loombye
gilded mason
Yeah, if Unggoy got to Tier 4, then it'd really not make sense that Sangheili were still as depicted in Origins
Though...
terse lava
I recall vale saying that sangheili artifacts were ancient when the pyramids were built
gilded mason
Apparently Catalog confirmed that the average Sangheili lifespan was 27 years back then
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
Guilty did say sangheili were "less dramtic" then modern day
Perhaps they were a race who impressed forerunners enough to have young warrior servants train against them
gilded mason
Though I gotta say, their depiction here is really cute.
https://www.halopedia.org/images/3/3a/AncientSangheili.png
gilded mason
Perhaps they were a race who impressed forerunners enough to have young warrior servants train against them```
Perhaps.I think I remember cut dialogue from the Didact that has something of note about that sorta thing
"You are Sangheili; loyal and strong, even in your second form. You will serve well."
terse lava
Miss that, allowed some trace of sanity to remain in him
versed helm
So how would you rate Halo Broken Circle?
I thought it was an awesome book although it sucks that we never got the full Writ of Union
terse lava
The only flaw was yea, no full writ. Everything else? 100/10
Needs a sequel
Even if a short novella-like book
terse lava
Or maybe a book centered around one of those early zealot teams who had to cleanse flood
gilded mason
Any of those would be pretty neato.
terse lava
@gilded masonindeed, maybe even a novella of xytan's early life
gilded mason
Eh, maybe. To be honest, I don't have much interest in Xytan.
terse lava
Nizat then?😀
terse lava
Hm, we do actually know very little of rtas before being a commander
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
Think its limited to, what? Gathering shells when the tide rolled out as a childling
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
Wonder why so little for one of the more prominent characters
gilded mason
You know why
gilded mason
Yup. 😔
inner basin
Or maybe we get more books centred around Mjolnir-clad Spartan-IIIs instead considering how little we know of them and their operations. I think it’s needed. As for your question about Noble Team, Donk... eh. Not bad tbh. They’re quite an interesting group
gilded mason
What’s your honest opinion on each member of noble team?```
They all seem pretty nice. But Emile is quite the edgelord.Emile looks like an innie
gilded mason
Whatcha mean?
versed helm
He looks like an insurrectionist spartan
terse lava
@versed helmfound them rather bland and boring
versed helm
With the skull and all
gilded mason
Cause of the huge sk- yeah
versed helm
Rosenda?
terse lava
I guess?
versed helm
Id love to see emile kill some innies, those fools thought they could trust the covies.
gilded mason
Some did.
terse lava
Not all
inner basin
Yeah it was conceptual that her and Thom were actually gonna be apart of the original Noble Team I believe, but then they were pushed to the side and Noble Team’s roster was moved down to 6 active Spartans instead
versed helm
7 was bungies favorite number so it was odd they left it at 6
inner basin
No it was to be 8 Spartans, so either way it’s not 7
terse lava
Who knows
versed helm
Not What I meant
inner basin
I know what you meant, but it wouldn’t of been 7 regardless
terse lava
…. I thought the field Marshal has a good character
gilded mason
lol
inner basin
You mean the one that supposedly was hunting the members Noble Team, as many have speculated?
Yeah he was a good guy.
terse lava
Yup
Unless proven otherwise, I am under the impression it was the same individual throughout the entire game
inner basin
Ngl, the Field Marshall armour config is lowkey sick 👌
terse lava
Actually come to think of it, we never did get a name for the field Marshal
gilded mason
Ado 'Ulamee. 😎
terse lava
No, nizat's younger brother
It would explain why he hates Spartans and hunts them
😀
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
terse lava
You have to mit it makes sense
gilded mason
Did Nizat really hate Spartans though?
terse lava
Admit
No but he knew the threat they posed
I could see a surviving family member going after such creatures after what happened to him
Maybe they could add it that this particular field Marshal was what saved the bloodline from being a wiped out. He made it a life goal to hunt Spartans
gilded mason
"Phil...? Phil Marshal?! Now don't you tell me you don't remember me, 'cause I sure as heckfire remember you."
terse lava
Got to love auto correct
gilded mason
👌
terse lava
As bad as the filter
Look for back story does make good sense
I mean they gave Back story to that random chieftain and Halo 3
inner basin
Maybe give Noble Team some back story... they could do with it.
Maybe give some back story to Lucy-B091 and Spartan-B170, as they were supposed to go on a mission together too
What back story?
That’s all so vague though
That’s not actual backstory
stoic hamlet
B-170 and B-091 weren’t supposed to go on a mission together, IIRC Kurt had reassigned B170 and wanted to do the same to Lucy, he just never got the chance.
Also, small thing, I really dislike that letter. You could argue Kurt changed his views by the time of Onyx, but he dismisses SPI in that letter, and claims that the Spartans taken out of their companies will be armed “like Spartans”, but he has no such bias towards SPI by the time of the Battle of Onyx.
It could be argued that maybe by that point Mark II SPI was, at least to him, comparable to MJOLNIR, or he had further mellowed out in the seven years since that latter, but idk.
The letter doesn’t really “sound” like Kurt.
terse lava
He did choose it over his own armor for his final battle
versed helm
What does Emile's face look like?
versed helm
Was John ever aware of Noble Team's existence?
terse lava
No
versed helm
Or did he ever learn about Jorge's death since they both trained together
gilded mason
He probably heard about it at some point
Also, for Emile, all we have is some concept art
https://www.halopedia.org/images/f/ff/HR_EmileFace_Concept.png
I thought there was another one, doing a full front view of his face, but I can't seem to find it.
versed helm
Whatever happened to Rosenda?
I still wonder,how did Jun get off Reach?..did ONI extract him after the Fleet of Particular Justice started chasing after the POA?
Also,whatever became of Sigma Octanus IV after the war?
terse lava
- MIA likely
- Precursors
- Kept being a colony, covenant didnt bother glassing it as they got what they wanted
inner basin
They got their bottoms handed to them there, so they more than likely didn’t bother attempting to glass it later
versed helm
Whatever happened to Colonel Urban Holland?
inner basin
He’s probably still alive handling some other team considering he doesn’t have Noble anymore. Maybe even another Spartan-III Team (but they would have to reassigned to be under the Army’s Special Warfare Group Three instead of the Navy). But that’s speculation with some assumptions because we haven’t got any explicit confirmation of what he’s been up to, or if he’s even still alive.
noble fjord
What named Spartan-III's or Spartan-III Teams are still active?
inner basin
We know of 3 who could still be active and they are Gauntlet, Red and Echo.
Red Team is not the Spartans who were aboard the SoF nor were they the Spartan-II Red Team, they just have the same name
noble fjord
3 Spartan-III teams... what a quink a dink
inner basin
Well there was another on Trubute, but they sacrificed themselves for a Spartan-II Team (most likely Black but never explicitly said), and a group of Civilians at Tribute’s capital onboard a Pelican trying to escape, I believe
noble fjord
Well that brings up the other question
Outside of Red, Blue, Black. What Spartan-II teams/spartan-II's are still active?
inner basin
Well Black is one who isn’t active, but we don’t talk about why around here. They were essentially killed by terrible writing. As for any other teams there is Omega, a 6 man Spartan Team as of October 2558 (3 named and 3 unnamed), and Grey Team, a team of 3 Spartans who operate deep behind enemy lines, and who can be out of contact for extended periods of time
I hope you’re not gonna ask me for a Spartan-IV Fireteam list, as otherwise I would just direct you to Halopedia for that considering how many there is.
noble fjord
Puts hand down
Spartan-IV's are... strange to me
I don't hate them as much as most
inner basin
I don’t like how some act. I feel that Installation-00’s recent videos described my thoughts pretty well. Here is a link to said video if you want to give it a watch - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1FomuKKhzwQ
But to add to this if you have watched it or don’t want to watch it, some do act Spartan like
Some like Fireteam Crimson (even if they are silent), Buck outside of Halo 5, Thorne, and a few others (who I can’t think of atm)
noble fjord
I am going to give Spartan-IV's one piece of credit I will never give Spartan-II's or Spartan-III's (notable exceptions not withstanding such as Jerome) act more like... "people" if that makes sense?
versed helm
They're More sociable
noble fjord
^
noble fjord
Granted like I mentioned, some such as Jerome have gotten... better at it but talking to him can still at times be like talking to a brick
versed helm
Because SII's were kidnapped from childhood and all, SIV's werent, so it makes sense why they are more social.
inner basin
Well IIIs would be more sociable than the IIs. They were trained in units whereas IIs didn’t have an emphasis necessarily on team work but did in the end work well together
versed helm
Yep
terse lava
Yea, nothing really wrong with the 3s, better then the 4s definitely
inner basin
Oh yeah definitely overall
versed helm
They were trained at a Young age so obviously
noble fjord
there is 1 thing wrong with the III's... the missions they were thrown into
versed helm
Suicidal missions yeah
noble fjord
Spartan-III's feel like they were bred to die
noble fjord
some of their missions I feel a Spartan-II could do it without getting themselves killed
terse lava
Not their fault
noble fjord
Not their fault but it's still something I like mentioning
also was it ever explained Why Jorge was thrown in a Spartan-III team? or how he felt about being with them?
versed helm
Though some III's used mjolnir and ended up being awesome
inner basin
Yeah the general consensus with the companies except Gamma because the opportunity didn’t arise, was to trade lives for time
versed helm
Delta company was also going to be a thing
But they became IV's by the time the war ended if im not mistaken
inner basin
Delta Company didn’t become a thing. Onyx was destroyed before they had even been brought there
They had candidates and that was it
noble fjord
also while we're on the topic of IV's
Hate him or like him, Locke's behavior is one of my favorite things about him
he isn't cracking jokes left and right
inner basin
We don’t know of Delta Company’s fate though
terse lava
Like the rest of the 4s? Eh I guess
versed helm
Ehh, they probably became IV's or were left alone idk.
noble fjord
I mean you're not wrong < _ <
inner basin
I have a theory that those who were to be designated Cat-2 (yeah I don’t like the term either) out of the Delta’s were handpicked by ONI to be their Grim Reapers like Noble Six was gnabbed after Beta Company was trained and augmented. ONI would train these Deltas like the previous Spartan-IIIs were trained and then they would augmented, also similarly. It’s just a neat little theory that is plausible, and I like the Spartan-III lore so it works for me
noble fjord
but most of our Halo main characters are like talking to brick walls
inner basin
Yeah but their depth is far greater than Lockes. Maybe not Noble Team as much, but they have team chemistry working for them
terse lava
Or books
noble fjord
btw I am watching I-00's video. and while I agree with a lot of what he says.
The way Spartan-IV's behave is indeed not what we come to expect of Spartan's, but what we have come to expect is mostly born out of the fact that the Spartan-II's and Spartan-III's sacrifice a lot of their Humanity in exchange for effectiveness.
so are they "Spartans" no they aren't, but at the same time. Where we are in Halo right now? I would never expect Spartan-II or Spartan-III type "recruitment"
btw I'm using "Recruitment" in the most loose way possible
terse lava
Are you asking how they are to go about getting recruits in the modern era without pulling the crap from. Before?
versed helm
In ONI's defence SIII's were orphans
noble fjord
I'm not asking, since the UNSC and ONI can think of more than a handful of ways to getting their hands on fresh young minds
versed helm
Propaganda and all that
noble fjord
but there needs to be some middle ground between "Spartan" as we know them. and basic humanity.
Spartan-IV's joke to much
and Spartan-III's and Spartan-II's (well not so much the III's most of the time) are like bricks
noble fjord
III's are indeed probably my favorite spartans
stoic hamlet
They don’t talk fine
noble fjord
but sometimes they're... you can tell there is something missing
versed helm
Spartans are like special forces, and I wouldnt expect a special forces operative to joke around in a mission.
stoic hamlet
They’re very childlike in tone, more than any other group they’re.....off
terse lava
@stoic hamletwell...they are teens
tacit stump
I really don’t like the spartan IV’s for no other reason than they joke so much and now they are so common it makes the feeling of super soldier redundant
Like it ain’t special
noble fjord
I'm not expecting them to joke mid mission. But god talking to Chief in any way shape or form is like talking to a tree.
stoic hamlet
The II’s are Stoic to a fault, the III’s are like that but in the cases where they do open up it’s obvious they haven’t been able to mature beyond a childlike persona.
Which suits them, obviously. But it’s jarring, in a good way.
That’s the thing with the II’s though
The games actually make them way more emotive than they should be going by the books
noble fjord
I don't think we'll ever get a spartan that will be both
What we expect a spartan should be
and also act like a basic human being
stoic hamlet
Even the smallest gesture between II’s speaks volumes in the books.
versed helm
Well being taken away from your parents doesnt exactly make you sociable.
stoic hamlet
But the games need to show them actually moving, whereas in the books the best we’ve gotten mainly has been slight tilts of the head, a change in posture, but nothing really notable.
It’s why partly people were so unnerved by them in the lore
gilded mason
They seemed fairly normal, conversation-wise, in books like Last Light, Silent Storm, and Oblivion. (if a bit formal for some of them)
stoic hamlet
I disagree on that.
Well, not for Last Light, that was their best showing, for what little we got from the rest of Blue aside from Fred.
But I felt their personalities in Silent Storm and Oblivion especially didn’t fit them, IMO, anyways.
But you’ve all heard me say that before.
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
Fair enough
inner basin
Deja Vu, Canadian... Deja Vu
noble fjord
Why do I feel if Spartan-IV's were ODST's their behavior would be more "Excused"
inner basin
But ODSTs always joked around, but due to the precedent set by the IIs and IIIs, it’s not how Spartans act
stoic hamlet
It’s kind of required
terse lava
Or plain crazy @stoic hamlet
noble fjord
I find it odd that the name change makes people change their expectation.
Considering more than a few Spartan-IV's were ODST's
stoic hamlet
*were
noble fjord
thx
stoic hamlet
Np.
It makes sense IMO
gilded mason
I find it odd that the name change makes people change their expectation.
I understand it. It's a bit like a formal restaurant versus a family diner, ya know?
stoic hamlet
The other two generations set a precedent, and people expected something similar
inner basin
That’s why I-00 thinks that the name Spartan should be changed for the IVs. He gives other historical names
stoic hamlet
I dislike him, and I dislike that idea
terse lava
Not Orion again I hope
inner basin
Well those are opinions, Eternal
terse lava
Nay, it is heresy
unique rune
I still think ORION-IV would have shut more people up
but I’m perfectly alright with SPARTAN-IV
inner basin
I think it makes perfect sense to distance this Spartan generation of IVs from the IIIs and IIs considering how different they are
stoic hamlet
He can voice them, and I can disagree, just like he or others can disagree with me.
versed helm
Next up Spartan-V
noble fjord
ah that's banned
stoic hamlet
Except in-universe it makes perfect sense to call them Spartan IV’s.
It’s all about PR, morale, etc
noble fjord
Can we lose the filter Mods? The movie is mediocre at best and I'm 90% sure nobody is in any rush to talk about it...
versed helm
Agreed
terse lava
Problem with calling them Orionn, is then you would have people complaining about The original Orion project
unique rune
I don’t see Spartan-V being a thing for a very long time. If ever.
stoic hamlet
Calling them Spartans gives people something to look up to.
“Folks need heroes Chief” and all that.
versed helm
We must have Spartan-VII’s
inner basin
I wasn’t thinking Orion either, as that was already done, but some of the names I-00 suggests do sit pretty well imo
versed helm
And Spartan -C
terse lava
Stop
versed helm
It is inevitable
unique rune
...Sure.
versed helm
Yes
terse lava
Certainly not
stoic hamlet
You don’t see, for example, modern marines being renamed.
They don’t fight nor really have the same duties as they were originally intended , so why not rename them?
Cavalry regiments as well
versed helm
I hope what I’m saying isn’t being taken seriously lmao
unique rune
I’ve seen people genuinely suggest Spartan-V be a thing, so, uh... bit hard to tell sometimes.
noble fjord
Alice: "Do we have a plan?"
Jerome: "We do... Jerome to Spirit of Fire actual"
Cutter: "Cutter here, Status?"
Jerome: "Sir requesting danger close, on our location trailing North. Commence in 5 seconds"
Alice: "Interesting plan..."
~I like this dialogue exchange... idk why~
inner basin
But when you have 500+ Spartan-IVs existing in the universe it really diminishes that whole vibe around the Spartans. Also considering they’re indoctrinated differently from the IIs and IIIs, it really changes how the Spartans were made.
versed helm
I get that but Spartan-C should give it away lol
unique rune
you can never tell on the Internet
versed helm
You have a point.
gilded mason
Poe's Law and all that
terse lava
Indeed
inner basin
The original Spartans back in Ancient Times were indoctrinated at a young age, similar to the IIs and IIIs, but the IVs are indoctrinated consenting adults
versed helm
Can’t disagree on that
stoic hamlet
Grenadier regiments.......fusiliers......Foot Guards, Light Infantry.......
Etc, etc.
Military units rarely change their names. There’s history there, Battle honours, something to aspire too, etc.
noble fjord
Playing Halo War 2 rn
I just realized how big Jerome is compared to Old Man Cutter
terse lava
Yeah they are rather Tall in their armor
versed helm
He still would be taller
noble fjord
Yeah but I don't focus on these little details often
stoic hamlet
It generally adds like 4 inches on average, I think
inner basin
Lol. It’s just common knowledge, Warlock
noble fjord
I know it's common knowledge that spartans are generally big
but seeing it and hearing it are two very different things
versed helm
Spartans are also t h i c c e r
noble fjord
I was too distracted by his amazing dialogue < _ <
terse lava
Yeah they show Spartans being tall and cool, Then the books show chief getting choked out by a brute
noble fjord
Only reason I noticed in game is because all that was happening in the current cutscene was Isabel sitting all sad
versed helm
Also heard of a brute eating a sangheili alive some where
Don’t remember where I read that though.
inner basin
Brutes would eat anything that moves, or is dead
terse lava
I assume" The Return"
noble fjord
mhm
versed helm
The brute went ham on the poor squids stomach and neck
terse lava
A shipmaster from that book comments that a message they received from the Imperial Admiral told of brutes eating their kin
noble fjord
I enjoy playing through this game, it entertains me seeing a Spartan-II act more... like a person
also Brutes probably have eaten eachother
versed helm
I doubt they’re cannibals
inner basin
Warlock, it could be due to Red Team being washouts originally?
versed helm
But it’s possible
noble fjord
@inner basin probably, but even still I appreciate the way they interact. Granted still is something off about the three of them.
stoic hamlet
Off?
inner basin
Wdym?
noble fjord
Well by "off" I mean they're still for the most part your typical Spartan-II behavior. well actually for them it's more so typical Spartan-III behavior
versed helm
They have more social interactions for being SII’s and all
stoic hamlet
It’s an in-between of II’s and III’s I think
inner basin
Thought we established that the IIIs were fine at socialisation/social situations? It could be what Eternal said
versed helm
III’s
noble fjord
However my personal theory is this may be a result of the environment the 3 Spartans are in. Spirit of Fire as far as I've seen, is a very... Different environment from other ships. Less "military" more "Family"
stoic hamlet
I might not have been clear.
They (III’s)can socialize, obviously.
But it’s not anything more mature than a typical teen, or, arguably, a younger kid.
Take them out of combat and I think that’d be pretty obvious.
terse lava
Well they are still teenagers aren't they?
inner basin
Due to their maturing years being cut short and accelerated. I think as time would go on, this would change, Eternal
stoic hamlet
I don’t just mean Saber
The Battle Born books also show Owen just doesn’t really know how to socialize, he doesn’t understand social cues or at least he responds to things different than a normal person.
noble fjord
So yeah, that's my personal idea as to why Red team's behavior feels different for a Spartan-II
terse lava
That would explain it then, I have not read those books
inner basin
I mean Owen is also engaging with normal teenagers, which is a new experience for him. It could be why he acts the way he does in those books
noble fjord
Also I just realized how much "better" Halo 2 Anniversary Locke is compared to Halo 5
inner basin
He’s never interacted with teenagers besides the other IIIs of Beta Company when they were teens
There is a marginal difference between normal teens and Spartan candidate teens
stoic hamlet
A good example is in Meridian Divide when Sasika (I think t was her anyways) asks him about his home and if he ever went back. IIRC the interaction went like this:
S: “What about your home? Did you ever go back?”
O: “Once. There were Covenant there.”
S: “How did it feel, to go home again?”
O: “I didn’t register it.”
That’s true.
Butt it’s still noteworthy, I think. It shows their “otherness” really well.
noble fjord
Me thinking about the fight between Forge and Jerome
I wonder how careful Jerome was not to break one of Forge's bones... granted Chief beat up some ODST's without much of a care
stoic hamlet
Probably pretty careful
inner basin
This is why I said earlier that when the IIIs get older and mature (as their actual maturing years were accelerated) that they’ll be a bit more normal and these “oddities” (lets say) will be drastically reduced, as unlike the IIs, they are fine socialising, they just aren’t matured yet
stoic hamlet
I don’t think it’s mentioned if Jerome actually fought or just sort of took he punches.
noble fjord
Does Spirit even have a harness to remove Spartan armor? Because I don't think punching Mjolnir armor would feel too good
stoic hamlet
If the Gammas actually get to socialize with others, yeah.
But idk if ONI’s allowing that. @inner basin
You don’t need it to remove MJOLNIR.
It’s just a lot harder
And takes more time
inner basin
Oh they’re probably gonna be kept hidden, Eternal. ONI went the extra mile to even list them all as KIA (not even MIA), I think, I know it was 100% done for Sabre anyways
stoic hamlet
TBF, it’s also possible the technicians assigned to Red Team also transferred aboard the Spirit from their initial ship. @noble fjord
They did that for Saber, at least. Highly likely they did that for the rest of them as well, judging by the description for RECLUSE and just how they’ve sort of disappeared in the post war. @inner basin
inner basin
To add to that, all of them did have the illegal drug augmentations which was the reason why they were listed as KIA, so there’s that to think about too
noble fjord
I wonder if Anders ever found out that Jerome recommended Spirit shoot her down...
inner basin
He didn’t recommend it, he said that she was out of weapons range, Warlock
stoic hamlet
With the Gammas I’m reminded of that one Ghost Recon Wildlands trailer where the narration is variations of “We are X” with the narration steadily getting louder and louder, then the final bit of narration is a dead quiet whisper “we are ghosts, and we do not exist”, refuting every bit of prior narration.
Love that trailer
Anyways
noble fjord
I think it's more or less widely accepted that he was focused on "Asset denial" if that's the proper terminology
stoic hamlet
Yeah
That’s what he meant
Same with Jun in Halo Reach
“I’ll do what’s necessary sir.”
inner basin
It would be close enough, yeah. I’m just saying he didn’t explicitly say it ;P
noble fjord
< . <
You're right
god Halo War 1 Jerome was such a Brick...
Halo War 2 he's a lot better
versed helm
Spartans are bricks
noble fjord
I was originally going to say "He was such a Spartan"
versed helm
And they fly good too
noble fjord
but in HW2 he still is one
inner basin
I feel like it’s a journey for him. When he comes into HW, he was just in combat all the time, but as time went on he saw how closely knitted the SoF crew was, as if it were a family, then he eventually became part of said family. A new experience for him since he was taken away from his blood family at the age of 6
Later Eternal
noble fjord
Yeah I think Spirit's crew is rubbing off on the Spartans
considering Alice and Douglas are also more vocal than I expected
inner basin
Hell, even Alice, Douglas and Jerome are a lot closer too
inner basin
You know when you think about it, Red Team are probably the biologically youngest Spartans considering they were originally washouts (who are clinically dead for a time), then when they were rehabilitated, they were asleep for 28 years in Cryo after a short amount of service time
noble fjord
I feel Halsey was somewhat disappointed when Jerome came out as a Washout
It's like when one of your best students fails the final
inner basin
I believe she mentioned having hope for some of the washouts, only can remember Rene being one of them
But I think he was crippled rather than clinically dead, but I can’t remember
I’ll need to double check
versed helm
Im pretty sure they were only crippled
inner basin
Yeah Rene and Kirk were crippled, but Halsey said that she could essentially return them to normal health by reversing the bone ossification effects, possibly rehabilitating them too (but that’s not explicitly said)
noble fjord
Did the books ever go in detail on the relationships between the Spartan-II's?
inner basin
Aww come on, dang movie filter
noble fjord
RIP
versed helm
This filter is heresy
noble fjord
God Jerome's conversation with Isabel... It's like he is actually human... Am I playing Halo still?
inner basin
Okay well what I said was that in one of the books we learn that John has a soft spot for 087 (and Blue Team are close as it is).
unique rune
You’re playing Halo but with characters written by people who don’t worry about making Spartans “player-insert” characters
unique rune
The filter is... very frustrating.
inner basin
^ To say the least
I have a great few words that cannot be said in this server to describe the filter
unique rune
Need to deal with a bunch of workarounds.
And then sometimes it’ll jump on you for words that don’t even seem like they’d trigger it.
noble fjord
Yeah I think we all do
inner basin
I wish they’d release the full filter list in at least a pin or something to show what’s filtered but I digress
unique rune
Couldn’t call the Forerunner Dreadnaught the Anodyne Spirit for whatever reason for a while.
noble fjord
You never answered the question though Beast
How do you think Halsey would feel knowing 3 more of her precious "children" are still alive and well
granted Halsey isn't known for showing too much of the old, emotion outside of concern and what I like to call "Halsey behavior"
inner basin
She’d probably be overjoyed. Remember her reaction to learning John was alive. Ofc not in the best circumstances at that time but still...
noble fjord
Indeed
inner basin
Well it ‘‘twas a fun conversation but I gotta go. Phone’s almost dead :/ Talk to you all later
noble fjord
later my friend
inner basin
Sorry one last thing to say before I go. Would love a Red Team and Blue Team reunion of some sorts or for them to inevitably meet each other. But yeah, I really gtg now
dense falcon
Something I never understood, what are insurgents, what do they want, and why do they hate the army and the UNSC so much?
unique rune
Insurrectionists are just various groups of people dissatisfied with being governed by the UEG and UNSC for varying reasons
typically they just want to be independent because they don’t feel they’re being fairly treated by the UEG/UNSC
remote spruce
So Kat made a hack that removes safety limits or something
Basically can't use that hack too long
The hack is the Sprint armor ability
yea I don't get it either
unique rune
Don’t think about it too hard
versed helm
In the lore the sprint armor ability makes them sprint faster,so I guess using the armor ability itself will cause the armor to overheat but not sprinting without the armor ability.
If that makes any sense.
remote spruce
And then armor lock comes along lol
versed helm
Where does it say this?
Im curious now
Never mind I found it
Well I’ll go with my own theory on this one
It never says the user can’t sprint without it...
It only makes them faster
It has those safeties in case you’re reckless and break a limb or multiple
So you CAN sprint
The ability only makes you sprint faster
They do sprint, before kat gets shot in the back of the head.
Ye
They were cheating
Before kat gets shot, noble team was sprinting, and kat was perma banned.
keen canopy
Spartans have injured themselves sprinting multiple times in the lore.