I believe so. But even before HW2 they had experimental Mk. IV anyways
#lore-and-universe
inner basin
terse lava
actually the spirit has a fabrication factory on board so it can make almost anything, so long as it has the supplies to fuel it
noble fjord
Spirit also seemingly has all the fun UNSC vehicles
terse lava
eh, implying such things are fun
noble fjord
IDK Id enjoy crushing a small army in a Grizzly
inner basin
I mean I’d enjoy piloting a Sparrowhawk over a Wasp any day
Even better a Grizzly over a Scorpion
noble fjord
The Plasma Rhino... I avoid talking about the Rhino since IDK how good UNSC plasma even is
terse lava
well the only reason the spirit can even make the stuff was due to it being almost ovefilled with war material for the factories on board before it departed to harvest
inner basin
Considering it was a refitted colony ship, there’s no surprise that it can store a lot of war materials
terse lava
yep
noble fjord
Most surprising thing about Spirit is how many hits the old girl can take
maiden flame
how much bigger is spirit of fire compared to the dawn?
terse lava
think sprit is 1 km
inner basin
There also weren’t very many colony ships that lasted as long as the SoF so I suppose there’s a good reason it was carrying war materials before it’s departure
noble fjord
Remember kids, Lord Hood used to train under Cutter. And Cutter rejected a promotion to stay with his crew.
terse lava
689 meters tall
maiden flame
what about forward unto dawn
noble fjord
I'm going to say the dawn was smaller
maiden flame
i was thinking that too
maiden flame
in amber clad was smaller than the dawn
inner basin
Try Halopedia maybe? It might have sizes
noble fjord
Dawn is 490 meters long
terse lava
barley any longer
terse lava
hm, all this and yet we still don't know what a covenant frigate looks like....
terse lava
speaking of huge, I love the change they did with High Charity in warfeet
maiden flame
yeah, spirit looks like it's almost as big as the infinity
terse lava
shows how truly massive it is, and how tiny the city was
gilded mason
I miss High Charity. 😥
maiden flame
well, length-wise
inner basin
I’m sorry but we also don’t know what a UNSC Corvette looks like, Ado. So it’s not just Covies getting it bad
maiden flame
who said covies have it bad?
terse lava
@gilded mason Always wanted a Gemini remake, or many years ago, a map taking place in the city streets of High Chairty
maiden flame
the assualt carriers are lorge
gilded mason
@terse lava
That'd be neato
terse lava
yep, those little prowlers are pretty much corvettes i'd say
inner basin
What was that Covenant ship that was sniping other ships during SO-IV?
I think it was Sigma anyways
terse lava
@gilded mason agreed, but halo 3 and halo reach passed with nothing of the sort
super cruiser
noble fjord
When the UNSC need to destroy a hostile vessel
Old reliable Longswords launch out of the Hanger
I mean Spartan Team Omega in HW1 was pretty big
terse lava
doubt it, though they usually travel in 3-4
gilded mason
@terse lava
Maybe Infinite could have it, with the ~lore explanation~ of an SoS agent designing it out of nostalgia for his childhood memories of the city.
inner basin
Don’t think so. Grey had 3, Black had 4, Noble, Gauntlet, Red and Echo had 6, Blue had 4 usually but Team Omega has 6, oh and Spartan-II Red Team on Reach had 22 lel
Pretty inconsistent across the board if you ask me
maiden flame
shrug
keen canopy
sigh
inner basin
shakes head confusingly
keen canopy
Spartan team size and personnel are heavily mission-dependent
maiden flame
when you consider that spartans often operate outside of normal protocol, it makes sense that their team sizes vary
keen canopy
There are exceptions such as Grey team, who were trained together and operate behind enemy lines for months at a time
inner basin
Well that was the question about team size? I just gave factual numbers
keen canopy
Red Team, who were rehabilitated and trained together separately and dissapeared early in the war anyway
maiden flame
i didn't know there was a debate
inner basin
I felt I was being criticised (for no reason) :’(
maiden flame
i wasn't criticizing you :>
keen canopy
@noble fjord Omega team was as stated before, a team that was always on standby, in the event of a colony being attacked
keen canopy
@versed helm Space is BIG
terse lava
@gilded mason Cloister- Once serving civilian and military alike, this massive stadium served as training field and recreation center for millions. Returned to the present by it's creator, Tork 'Kvarosee, it was an homage to a great fleetmaster
keen canopy
And neither the UNSC nor the Covenant travel in it
gilded mason
@terse lava
👌
inner basin
Probably drifted out of the galaxy towards the Ark, supposedly influenced (but I don’t buy that)
maiden flame
even though humanity has ftl travel, not sure about ftl signaling/communication
keen canopy
Either MB or TS grabbed them at the beginning of 2 yea
inner basin
Isn’t that an assumption, eezy?
keen canopy
Cutter says something like "we've been brought here, it's much too far to have drifted " @inner basin
keen canopy
Perhaps there's a hint in the Phoenix Logs or something beast
maiden flame
wouldn't be surprised if cortana is somehow linked
inner basin
I know MB is the obvious one, but we can’t say for certain
maiden flame
or the librarian
keen canopy
I'm not personally aware of any concrete proof it was MB or TS
gilded mason
Noble Six's cave did it
maiden flame
jorge and half of that assault carrier were teleported to oblivion
maiden flame
if anything SOF would have seen the wreckage pop out of nowhere and been like "wtf is that"
gilded mason
based rho
terse lava
It's actually all just a fever dream by Jacob Keyes
keen canopy
On a serious note, I think Jorge and his friends aboard the Solace have no way to exit slipspace
*Their dead bodies I mean
inner basin
I love when conversations devolve from being serious talk
terse lava
@keen canopyjorge wod be dead, only ones living would be.on the solace chunk
keen canopy
Indeed, but still stuck in slipspace I mean
maiden flame
i thought they just made a random jump
keen canopy
They're not popping out back in regular space anywhere
keen canopy
It's not my idea
terse lava
Those poor covies
maiden flame
sometimes i feel bad for killing unggoy
inner basin
Imagine being stuck in slipspace forever
maiden flame
then i remember that they literally ate people
keen canopy
Based on the info we have on slipspace, that slice of the Solace has no way of exiting it.
terse lava
@maiden flameunlike sangheili
hollow meadow
So technically Jorge can possibly be another surviving member of Noble team? Man, imagine how heart-broken he would be to hear the news about Reach
keen canopy
@hollow meadow no
maiden flame
wym ado
inner basin
This conversation has came up before and has never ended well, Trev
hollow meadow
Sorry
keen canopy
Trev I'll get something for ya
humble yacht
Assuming Jorge wasnt ripped apart by the event, the radiation would have cooked him
Well done
terse lava
@maiden flamepardon?
maiden flame
what did you mean about the sangheili?
gilded mason
Ado was saying Sangheili don't eat humans
maiden flame
ah
terse lava
@maiden flameah, no eating sentient beings
inner basin
Are Elites carnivores though?
hollow meadow
Yes
terse lava
Yes
gilded mason
No, omnivores
humble yacht
They eat grain
maiden flame
so by the time halo 5 is supposed to take place, are the humans and sangheili allies or just humans and the SOS?
keen canopy
Actually nvm, it's basically, IF Jorge didn't die to radiation, he died in the wreckage. If he didn't die in the wreckage, he suffocated due to removing his helmet. If he didn't suffocate due to removing his helmet, he sat in slipspace and ran out of oxygen. @hollow meadow
gilded mason
@versed helm
UNSC and the SoS are allies.
inner basin
I was aware they ate grain due to ONI sabotaging it
gilded mason
Though there might be smaller factions that have allied as well
humble yacht
Plenty of elites still hate humanity
terse lava
@versed helmmaybe huragok?
humble yacht
Look at all the enemy elites in H4 and H5
maiden flame
the huragoks are an interesting case
hollow meadow
Huragoks don't eat though
maiden flame
yeah but the enemy elites you fight are more like remnants of the covenant
humble yacht
Yeah and they represent a fraction of antagonistic elites
keen canopy
Biological robots
hollow meadow
Huragoks are literally Bionicles
humble yacht
Arbiter has long struggled trying to promote alliance with humanity post war
maiden flame
but i don't think that the elites as a species still hate humanity, at least i don't think they would
gilded mason
And who knows how much "human-hating" polls among the entirety of the Sangheili species, considering how many there are.
hollow meadow
They are robots but somehow act like organics
gilded mason
Could turn out to be a lower-than-expected fraction
maiden flame
we have to remember that the sangheili at one point wanted humanity to be a part of the covenant
inner basin
That’s true, but not all of them
gilded mason
And we know that as the war went on, more and more became sympathetic to humanity's plight
keen canopy
What if Huragoks are leftover Reapers and Halo is a Mass Effect Prequel
maiden flame
but there was still this underlying respect for humanity
humble yacht
A heretic has to be part of the religion first
hollow meadow
Nah, can't be
maiden flame
iirc the prophets knew that humanity would be trouble if they were allowed in
inner basin
Broseidom, only really for the Spartans. Hence the term Demon
maiden flame
something like that
gilded mason
iirc the prophets knew that humanity would be trouble if they were allowed in```
The Hierarchs, at leastThe prophets didn’t let in humanity because their very existence disproved the very basis that the prophets built the Covenant on
keen canopy
Humanity were never referred to as Heretics.
inner basin
Yep. A big fat lie (not to you eezy btw)
maiden flame
correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the very existence of humanity was heresy somehow
humble yacht
Rather than do the logical thing and reconsider their religion, the prophets just said “kill them all”
maiden flame
or at least an affront to the gods
keen canopy
Yes to an affront to their gods, no to Heresy
gilded mason
Rather than do the logical thing and reconsider their religion, the prophet just said “kill them all”
Bah, too much effort.
hollow meadow
"These creatures break our religion. Let's make them not exist anymore"
humble yacht
Yep
maiden flame
outstanding move
hollow meadow
A pro gamer move, if you will
inner basin
It was perceived by the Prophets that humanity were remnants of the Forerunners, who they perceived as Gods. So the Great Journey was activating the array, but humanity was left behind due to them not being good enough, essentially
gilded mason
👌
humble yacht
Well only the prophets thought that
The rest of the covenant did not know about the humans connection to the forerunners
inner basin
Oh I meant the Prophets, as we were talking about them above
Let me correct it
If you think about it, the Librarian caused the HCW
hollow meadow
I thought it was some Palpatine-level political moves
humble yacht
That was after the mistranslation was discovered
inner basin
Well that, but due to her interference with humanity, and them being Reclaimers, the Prophets got it all wrong (ignoring the mistranslation)
humble yacht
And also truth wanted to be the only prophet in command
keen canopy
@humble yacht can you get that for me :(
hollow meadow
See? Palpatine-level politics
humble yacht
It’s not the librarians fault the covenant mistranslated Reclaimers as Reclamation
inner basin
Well no, but in a way if you think about it, she did have part to cause the war. Not as much her fault as the mistranslation though. It’s like a multitude of knock-on effects
terse lava
Well...thendidact did note she tried to make herself like a goddess to lesser races
humble yacht
Ur didact?
terse lava
Yep
humble yacht
U trust anything that guy says?
terse lava
@versed helmthe covenant or forerunner?
@humble yachtdo we trust what the gravemind says about forerunners rebelling.out of being jelous?
humble yacht
No
terse lava
@versed helmso...modern humans with ancientn human tech
humble yacht
Or more humans would be on par with Spartans
hollow meadow
No, they will still exist but be a bit different.
inner basin
Aren’t the Covenant at a technology tier 2? Whereas Humanity (in this hypothetical case) would be tier 1?
humble yacht
Ancient humans were tier 1, just like Forerunners
hollow meadow
Humans have experimented members of their species to be resistant to the Flood in the past. What's stopping ancient humans from augmenting their species to create super-soldiers on the same level as Spartans in case war between the Forerunners and the Covenant breaks out?
inner basin
So doesn’t that mean Humanity would probably destroy the Covenant? Or at least have a very strong edge over them
humble yacht
Ancient humans were already stronger than modern humans
I think the idea is that Spartans are closer to ancient humans in terms of strength and battle capacity
inner basin
Yeah, he needed at least a 12 I believe, but Mk. V was only a 2
Do correct me if I’m wrong btw
humble yacht
I wonder where chozo armor would fall on the forerunner combat skin scale
gilded mason
Class 2 was what Spark said
terse lava
chozo, from metroid?
humble yacht
Yep
inner basin
...Guess we need to go back and play CE Donk... specifically the Library...
terse lava
I would guess around 7 or 9
think samus could go bullet time in that thing across kilometers of grounf
but can it see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?
humble yacht
Let’s stick with the most common Varia Suit
Some of her other suits were a little too situational
humble yacht
Varia suit protects against extreme temps
terse lava
i guess this stuff would bump it up to a class 10
I doubt it can make it's user immune though to previous things that damaged it though
what?
terse lava
I am somewhat
wasn't that the virus stuff?
wasn't aware of tearing reality holes but yea
humble yacht
I mean this is only in consideration of the armor’s defensive capabiiities
But Samus has a variety of onboard weaponry that make her practically a one woman army
terse lava
yea
hollow meadow
Imagine Samus meeting Chief and duking it out. I am kinda wishing Chief makes it into Smash Ultimate somehow
terse lava
I would say, she would fit alongside warrior-servants, at worse, lekgolo
humble yacht
Ice beam would make short work of minor flood outbreaks
terse lava
the word you are looking for it atomized
ok yea, warrior servant she is
we now know where one forerunner went
gilded mason
Don't worry. you can make her lose the suit if you just make her really scared. 🙃
terse lava
ha
HERESY
warning? I see no warden popping in
sure sounds like it
odd
...I wonder if t343 could have chosen a better name for the bot besides warden
humble yacht
Power suit is pretty op
So op that every game they inexplicably make it lose its power ups
terse lava
what about that "dark samus" being
humble yacht
What about her?
terse lava
was that an actual creature wearing a copy of the armor, or a sentient copy of the armor itself?
gilded mason
It's Metroid Prime
terse lava
ah, no one under the helmet of dark samus?
humble yacht
Dark Samus doesn’t wear a helmet
terse lava
I guess?
humble yacht
What looks like a helmet is her actual head
terse lava
I akways assumed dark samus was a sentien copy of the armor, not a copy wearing copy armor
ah
gilded mason
MP absorbed the Phazon Suit from Samus and used that as its new form.
humble yacht
dark Samus is a phazon-corrupted Metroid that came into contact with samus’s genetic material
It reformed into Dark Samus
gilded mason
Basically what MP looked like, but in a humanoid form.
terse lava
joy
humble yacht
One Samus vs a whole covenant armada
gilded mason
She ded
humble yacht
Chief did it
gilded mason
I died to geemers 😥
humble yacht
I wonder if she could screw attack through ships
terse lava
I give it to the Covenant
this reminds me, we can see what samus does thanks to that "haloid" video
humble yacht
That’s obviously not canon
terse lava
i know
humble yacht
But a fun watch
humble yacht
Yeah but I didn’t really appreciate it
terse lava
I thought it was ok, but did seem off compared to the original
@versed helm chief dies
chief dies, fred dies, hood dies
halsey dies
thel kicks her butt
gilded mason
You can do it
humble yacht
Which donkey Kong
terse lava
nintendo 64
humble yacht
Moon punching modern
humble yacht
Link is just a spiritual ancestor to Chief
terse lava
no
humble yacht
Green hero with blue helper
terse lava
the zelda verse are the forerunners before all the advanced tech
darn, did not consider that part, you have me there chim
humble yacht
Could a Halo Guardian disable a Botw Guardian?
humble yacht
It would take a lot of Guardians to take down a Guardian
terse lava
if they can even reach it
humble yacht
But then what if a fireteam of Guardians showed up?
terse lava
which one?
terse lava
I choose guardian for 500
humble yacht
(I was slyly bringing in Destiny Guardians)
terse lava
we don't speak that heresy here chim
hollow meadow
So what makes Ganon then? The Gravemind or the Didact?
hollow meadow
Ganon is literally an evil cockroach
No matter how much brute force or weaponry you use against him, he still survives somehow
terse lava
just like the flood
now, here's the ultimate question for everyone
what would each halo character get as a go kart for mariokart?
would think a monitor for her
hollow meadow
What about Ghosts
terse lava
yep, ghosts
humble yacht
Nah because they don’t have wheels
terse lava
wheels are undeeded here
humble yacht
Without wheels you miss a whole level of customization
hollow meadow
You know what's a dumber theory?
humble yacht
Big dumb
hollow meadow
Everyone Pokemon Creepypasta theory story
terse lava
"what if I told you that the dubbo you know was chief from another universe"
humble yacht
You know what theory actually grinds my gears? Chief is IsoDidact
terse lava
actually now that you mention that, another bonus to the Covenant, did all their things without a geas
the closest thing chief to being forerunner was the common ancestor both races once were
humble yacht
Chief just benefitted from the geass that librarian snuck into their species upon reseeding
terse lava
indeed
humble yacht
Basically librarian just ensured that humanity would grow up to be able to reclaim the mantle
terse lava
@humble yacht Hey chim, you remember the pre-halo 4 stuff that the forerunners would be revealed to be elves?
humble yacht
No
terse lava
well she failed in that regard
humble yacht
Well humanity has the ability to reclaim the mantle
terse lava
so does every other race really
humble yacht
Just things have been getting in the way
No the covenant cannot
At least not with forerunner help
terse lava
that's a thing I like on the Covenant, they didn't need a geas or forerunner help to do their thing
humble yacht
Basically the librarian’s thought was that Giving humanity access to forerunner leftovers would help them assume the Mantle
The covenant wasn’t trying to shepherd all of creation though
They were (unknowingly) trying to kill it
terse lava
I would say, had they known of the proper mantle, they would have done well
humble yacht
Also most covenant tech was reverse engineered from forerunners
terse lava
though...maybe move the san shyuum out
yes that's true, but they didn't need direct forerunner help like lifeworkers and the librarian did with hnumanity
humble yacht
The librarian didn’t give humanity anything that ancient humans didn’t once have before
Except maybe composer immunity
But that was a specific response to her husband’s shenanigans
terse lava
yet it was thought that both humans and forerunners were being controlled by precursor geas
humble yacht
The precursors weren’t depicted as helpers
terse lava
nope
humble yacht
They sat back and just watched crap unfold
terse lava
like a sims game
humble yacht
If a race died, so be it
terse lava
the sickos
wait
that's filtered?
..
.sims
sims game
...odd
like a sims game
humble yacht
Word for specter
terse lava
so you think chim, had the Covenant ever been informed of the truth of the mantle, to at least protect life as a way of worshipping the forerunners, they would still fail at it?
..want to expand on that?
humble yacht
The covenant ideology was built on the idea of the worthy transcending to godhood
terse lava
yes
humble yacht
I doubt they would be satisfied with being glorified universal babysitters
terse lava
well, let me rephrase it
let's say mendicant finally speaks up some time in the Covenant history, pretty much says "Hey, you guys want your great journey, you follow the mantle, here's how"
I am not counting those 3
gilded mason
This would be before Truth was born, I assume
humble yacht
Mendicant would not have recognized the covenant as reclaimers
gilded mason
This is a hypothetical
terse lava
@humble yacht For the sake of having someone to protect the galaxy until humans are advanced enough then? He taught the san shyuum how to make plasma weapons after all
hollow meadow
I mean the Sangheili would protect humanity if they found out they were Reclaimers early on. Their philosophy had always been to preserve Forerunner structures before the War of Beginnings
random cradle
@gilded mason no more Christmas hat
gilded mason
Yup
humble yacht
I could see pre covenant elites being custodians of humanity
terse lava
no more christmas
random cradle
Still looked good though
terse lava
ok, how about early Covenant then? Broken said that mendicant did communicate somewhat to the Covenant
humble yacht
But given that the San shyuum were in charge, I don’t see events playing out differently if they learned about the mantle after the fact
terse lava
hm
humble yacht
The covenant wanted godhood, they were all about that next life
random cradle
Yes the prophets tried to keep the truth about the mantel holders a secret
humble yacht
You can’t just shift the goal post for a religion and expect everyone to be on board
random cradle
Because then the religion would collapse
hollow meadow
I mean they tried
terse lava
yet wouldn't, in the Covenant's view, if they learned of the mantle, they would want to protect life to make the forerunners happy and earn their journey?
hollow meadow
Then the Great Schism and genocide happened
terse lava
I am not trying to shift, end result the same for the, activate rings, godhood, it's what they do in the mean time
random cradle
They wanted the power though
humble yacht
Nothing about the existence of the mantle suggests that upholding it leads to the great journey
terse lava
the needler explosion denonated the plasma grenades @versed helm
random cradle
Just is I guess
humble yacht
What happens in Suban, stays in Suban
umbral citrus
so complicated to manufacture the stats and abilities change per batch
maiden flame
so, i found a visual representation of a UNSC corvette
well, as close as i can find
terse lava
a canon one?
hollow meadow
So wait... if the Needler was so complex, how did they reverse-engineer it into Covenant and UNSC armaments?
terse lava
@hollow meadow because precursors
maiden flame
depends on if Mako class corvettes are considered canon
terse lava
don't see why not
terse lava
ok, now we need a covenant frigate
maiden flame
well they do have heavy frigates
terse lava
don't think we have been told what they look like. Light Covenant frigates appeared in silent storm and oblivion though I think
...or was that a normal frigate in oblivion
@gilded mason Hey Ostral, you remember if the covenant frigate in oblivion was a light or regular one?
maiden flame
there are frigates, apparently
maiden flame
what are you referring to when you say silent storm and oblivion though
terse lava
@gilded mason Ok, I am trying to look through it too to see if actual details of what the vessel looked like were given
stoic hamlet
The books Silent Storm and Oblivion @maiden flame
stiff igloo
silent storm was a good read wonder what happened to the prowlers?
humble yacht
Point of No Return is best ship
humble yacht
It’s the only ship truly safe from cortana
terse lava
would say a covenant carrier would be safe from her, only thing the Point has going for it would be being quiet and not known
noble fjord
A Halo Ring is CLEARLY the safest place
terse lava
tell that to anders
noble fjord
Well if we lurk in the realm of head cannon for a minute...
And assume that Monitors can lock Cortana out of their Instillations like Exuberant did.
Maybe Cortana needs Anders to bypass this
~HOLD X TO DOUBT~
humble yacht
POint of no return has the farraday cage inside
covenant carrier doesn't have any such protections
terse lava
but that would just be that one room
noble fjord
the safest place from Cortana is any place that has Mendicant Bias.
I'm pretty sure he can sense that Cortana is a bit... "Different" to be nice. and he more than most A.I. should be able to lock her out.
terse lava
even offensive would work
terse lava
kind of, he's less creative and imagintive though, more "dumb" ai to mendicant's "smart" ai
though that's due to his whole purpose was to fight mendicant
noble fjord
not a bad purpose if you ask me
terse lava
limited though
noble fjord
Yeah especially after Mendicant got his head together
terse lava
yep
noble fjord
Granted he could always break his programming like Isabel seems to be doing
noble fjord
but that's a big doubt considering we haven't even been given Mendicant in game yet
terse lava
least we know what he looks like
noble fjord
Battle of the A.I. Mendicant vs Cortana
Which one is the least insane... but also which one is the more well designed
terse lava
mendicant on both
terse lava
no reason to say he can't
noble fjord
Granted I also think he is too smart to let himself go crazy from over consumption of knowledge
"He is too smart to become smarter" - Agent Zombie 2020
hollow meadow
But Mendicant also got sauded by the Primordial with the Logic Plague
noble fjord
I mean I don't think many A.I. could handle a chat with the Primordial
hollow meadow
That is true. Humans have literally killed themselves after a talk with the Primordial
It's like they went on Twitter
noble fjord
oof too real
between Mendicant, the Didact, and Exuberant we have 3 very distinct flavors of Forerunner in our current point in time
gilded mason
@terse lava
Behind them came the long-necked disk of a Covenant light frigate—or what the UNSC would classify as such, at least.
noble fjord
Starkiller from Force Unleashed
ok maybe I went a bit overkill
ugh... Stupid censor
hollow meadow
Uhmm... Pikachu. He can fry his armor systems and potentionally cook him alive from the electricity
🤷♂️
noble fjord
I think a High Skill MandaIorian could hold his own against a Spartan 2
hollow meadow
Sounds about fair though that's cheating a bit sonce Mandalorians aren't from a videogame persay
noble fjord
you can play as one in the Old Republic Games I'm pretty sure
also if we get technical we have the Fett's in Battlefront
hollow meadow
I said aren't from a videogame. It doesn't really count if they have been put into a videogame after the fact
It's why Starkiller gets a pass but Mandalorians do not
noble fjord
hmmm purely from a video game
a Guardian from Destiny if they're one of the more "powerful" ones
Doom Guy? idk I don't go too deep into Doom "lore"
terse lava
@gilded masonthanks man
gilded mason
👍
versed helm
DOOM slayer
hands down
no doubt
I mean....he survives being entombed in stone
a bunch of juggernaut units could get the slayer
terse lava
The flood juggernaut?
inner basin
I mean he’s been THROUGH hell, and is fine
versed helm
And he shoots himself onto a planet from another planet using a BFG cannon
terse lava
Fun
noble fjord
Real talk is Roland still an ally or is he potentially an antagonist
versed helm
hes fine
carmine sleet
Roland didn't like the offer Cortana gave him so he refused it
true shadow
noble fjord
Ok so I just ran through Halo 5 again and am left with lingering questions and also have taken a Liking to Locke and Exuberant
Biggest question is
Forerunner A.I. understand that the Forerunners want Humans to be their successors. Yet angry boi Warden helps Cortana which the other Monitors (at least Exuberant) knows is not right.
versed helm
not exactly
she intrigued him, and took over the domain whilst he was unawares
using the other splintered fragments of herself
she overtook his role and superseded him, so now he serves her
he does
that being said
I wonder if he's actually biding his time against her
there's no way he doesn't harbor some resentment for what she did
I really hope infinite is like 17 hours long 😂
I need a major game-lore fix
so many questions, so little answers
noble fjord
I like to believe most forerunner A.I. could take on Cortana in... Whatever the A.I. equivalent of a fight would be
So something tells me Wardens threat wasn't too empty
noble fjord
Probably just waiting for Mendicant to go coo coo for cocoa Puffs
noble fjord
Better question is what's Mendicant doing
versed helm
He made sure that chief would escape the ark
noble fjord
Considering he is no longer insane
versed helm
From What I remember from h3 terminals
After that idk
Maybe he's still in the ark spectating over the sof and banished
Offensive Bias is a Real mystery
noble fjord
I mean Mendicants the bigger mystery since offensive is easy to figure out
Offensive waits for Mendicant to go crazy. Until then he just sits and waits
Probably with a disgustingly powerful fleet
versed helm
But the question is
Where exactly is he waiting? And if he has a fleet, is it made up of sentinels or prometheans?
noble fjord
I think its made out of things scarier than either of those
versed helm
P R E C U R S O R
T E C H N O L O G Y
clever fable
I feel like Prometheans were a huge disappointment technologically speaking. Not anywhere near the stuff you'd expect from Bear's trilogy. If OB had a fleet, I'd hope it would consist of anything but Prometheans.
carmine sleet
Prometheans are also not anything like a Forerunner starship too
versed helm
Closest there is, is the enforcer sentinel.
Guardians were used to police Worlds , but I dont think they were used against humans or flood, since their ships could obliterate a guardián.
specially with flood forerunner ships
But against low tier species yes
I know
Id be un sure against ancient humanity
carmine sleet
Guardians were ineffective against the Flood
versed helm
I think forerunner ships had security against EMP blasts, sure the covenant reversed engineered forerunner technology, but that doesnt really mean its the same thing, forerunner ships were better equipped than a guardian from What I know, so even if the guardian tried to EMP a flood controlled forerunner ship it'd be blown to bits before it had the chance.
Even against ancient humanity, since they were in as advanced, id imagine their ships were better equipped than guardians.
carmine sleet
Is it the one with the red eye?
novel lagoon
terse lava
That was concept art of a promethean, not a guardian
carmine sleet
It was a Guardian. Prometheans weren't planned for Halo 3
terse lava
Oh that one, ok
gilded mason
How many systems do you think a galaxy has?
noble fjord
I know but she has like 1 per planet it seems
Or at least Exuberant pointed out "ok ummm why so many?"
Like this is a lil too much
gilded mason
I guess Witness didn't realize Cortana was going full authoritarian or something
half apex
I looked it up on google and found that there are 500 solar systems we know about today. But scientists also estimate there may be as many as 100 billion
...
Oh god that’s a lot of guardians
carmine sleet
The Forerunners are good at mass producing things
stoic hamlet
Not every solar system would be inhabited
sharp adder
Also if all else fails full speed ahead at the guarian even light cusicould eam and heavy damage cove ships with shleelds or aim for the centre where the hole is i say
noble fjord
Light speed ramming a guardian sounds like a terrible idea
They're too... Floaty •<•
balmy turtle
Is there any point in the universe where kids die at the hands of either the Covies or Flood? Would really ramp up the scary factor.
I guess they would in all the glassings.
balmy turtle
Are you talkin about in Reach?
noble fjord
No in Halo War 1
noble fjord
Glasses entire planet
Well that escalated
balmy turtle
I guess
stoic hamlet
Draco III, Jericho VII, Beta-Gabriel and Sigma Octanus IV had men, women and children eaten alive by Covenant. @balmy turtle
A planet in Silent Storm (I forget the name) had the Covenant rupture a super volcano so the people left on planet basically got Pompeii’d.
balmy turtle
Oh right, I forgot some Covie species eat people.
noble fjord
Do you ever just commit mass genocide to speed up your holy journey?
stoic hamlet
What, you mean you don’t?
noble fjord
Why wouldn't I?
versed helm
Covies would kill any human they saw, some species would even eat humans.
noble fjord
Brutes probably think we're delicious
Hold up... In Halo 3 when did Rtas's fleet show up on Earth? Seems odd they weren't there to handle Truths fleet directly.
gilded mason
Probably like an hour or so after Truth left. They were chasing a Flood ship that broke quarantine.
noble fjord
Ah
full forge
No one:
Intrepid Eye: ok microchip
versed helm
For those have read Halo Primordium,anyone else felt sad when Gamelpar died?
noble fjord
During Halo 3 were humans not in UNSC service made aware of the alliance with the Sangheli
Also the size difference between Shadow of Intent and Forward Unto Dawn is silly
versed helm
Anyone?
versed helm
noble fjord
@terse lava wort
inner basin
wort?
sharp adder
@versed helm did i say at light speed no just at full power ramming they cant move past from what we have seen
I am terribly with grammar
versed helm
So what does the UNSC use Atlanta for since it still exists in the Halo universe?
noble fjord
Light Speed ramming would hit harder than a full speed ram... It probably wouldn't do anything to a Guardian
Probably just warp away or EMP the ship
versed helm
Would any Covenant weaponry work against the Guardian?
Like a plasma torpedo or a glassing beam
sharp adder
It would probably distract ut and the have a weekness
terse lava
@gilded masona human elder that lived on the halo ring.during the 2nd forerunner book. He was pretty nice
sharp adder
And is there evidence that macs don't harm them
gilded mason
He was pretty nice
How dare him.
terse lava
@versed helmlikely.any covenant weapons on their vessels would. I doubt any races had plasma.weaponry outside of the forerunner ecumene
sharp adder
Supwr macs would be lethal and eember against the composwr the macs did do damage but the forerunner sheulds are really effective
versed helm
Anyone got my other question?
terse lava
Thankfully
terse lava
Yea, only ones who could pull that off would be the forerunners
sharp adder
Well they do have nukes and some nova's don't they
fair hazel
They go around that.
terse lava
Nukes are limited
fair hazel
Slipspace
terse lava
@fair hazelwas thinking morebthe"infinite energy part" with consuming universes
versed helm
@terse lava So what does the UNSC use Atlanta for since it still exists in the Halo universe?
terse lava
No clue
versed helm
Are they doing the whole Outpost Discovery thing?
noble fjord
@terse lava why was brute armor so for lack of a better term... Bad
Like I don't see Sangheli armor being blown off leaving the elite under it naked
I mean considering the Schism... I'd give them some higher quality gear
H o w the heck does that even work in lore!
But can it destroy a Mobile Fortr- I mean Grizzly
versed helm
Elephant
noble fjord
Grizzly tanks are literally just... Forge fed scorpions their vegetables and the Grizzly was born
sharp adder
Imagine driving a grizzly in halo infinite and or warzone
noble fjord
When the Covenant feeds scorpions their crops
versed helm
Lowkey grizzlies
sharp adder
Rhinos are long range plasma cannons
noble fjord
How heavy is the Rhinos gun that it needs 6 tracks
noble fjord
Like the Grizzlys extra tracks make sense because it's literally drowning in firepower and armor
But the Rhino just has long nose
You might be typing a filtered word
Because dumb filter is dumb
One sec
I'm surprised the Rhinos barrel doesn't melt as it fires the plasma
"Anyways,my question was this,who was the captain of the POA during the events of Halo War 1?" - @versed helm
versed helm
I'm surprised that they didn't manufacture more of them or made more after the war
noble fjord
I mean I'm gonna go ahead and assume plasma is not cheap to manufacture for the UNSC
versed helm
Plus i would imagine that it would've been a logistical nightmare for the UNSC to transport
noble fjord
The plasma or the rhino?
versed helm
Rhino or both
noble fjord
Rhinos are probably easy to deliver by pelican
Though losing one might give the commanders a heart attack
stoic hamlet
Are we doing the rhino vs the scorpion debate?
terse lava
Yea
versed helm
I wish that the Forerunner ruins on Arcadia were explored more
terse lava
Nothing weird
Well there was no reason for the covenant to stay
So bo reason to explore
noble fjord
- Is Plasma Cheap to Manufacture for the UNSC
- Are Rhinos easy to transport
- Why doesn't the Rhinos barrel melt from the plasma
- How heavy is the Rhinos barrel that it needs 6 tracks
I think that's all so far?
@terse lava you wanna tackle these 4?
terse lava
Nope, my knowledge rests with covenant and sangheili
noble fjord
I thought you were the plasma expert though
terse lava
When did I make that claim?
noble fjord
You're an elite
I made it for you •<•
terse lava
Would recommend asking ericky
I would only Be able toa guess at the answers to those questions
noble fjord
@fair hazel I have Rhino questions
•<•
I swear Rhinos are probably an economic nightmare for the UNSC during the Human Covenant War
fair hazel
Yess?
noble fjord
- Is Plasma Cheap to Manufacture for the UNSC
- Are Rhinos easy to transport
- Why doesn't the Rhinos barrel melt from the plasma
- How heavy is the Rhinos barrel that it needs 6 tracks
I think that's all so far?
Boop
Well I guess
5. Is the Rhino an economic nightmare for the UNSC
fair hazel
We don’t know the cost. But it probably uses fusion reactors if I had to guess. But we don’t know but likely expensive.
Bigger means harder to transport but still transportable via pelican
Likely due to the material and or way the plasma collects until the end. Likely.
320mm canon but doesn’t mean it’s so let radon why
versed helm
All I know is that plasma damaged systems are very hard to fix
noble fjord
And between the 3 Tanks in the UNSC that I can think of
Scorpion
Rhino
Grizzly
What role does the Rhino fall into (I feel there's better things for artillery)
versed helm
I might say ranged area damage
But I really can't say
It works more like a wraith than a scorpion or grizzly
inner basin
Quick question, do we know of any UNSC ships that have energy shielding besides the following ship classes; Infinity-Class Supercarrier, Autumn-Class Heavy Cruisers, and Strident-Class Heavy Frigates?
fair hazel
I believe we only have seen it in action in halo w
Likely stuff that has been retrofitted or new
Anlance
inner basin
I thought Anlace, but I haven’t really found anything on Halopedia stating so. Guess it’s unknown at this point, but probable
Speaking of Anlace-Class Frigates, are they the internally docked ships in the Infinity or are those ships Strident-Class Heavy Frigates. Again when doing research, Halopedia couldn’t give a decisive answer
inner basin
^ That’s what I said. I’m asking are they Anlace-Class or Strident-Class?
(I believe there’s 10 in total too btw)
versed helm
I’m pretty sure they’re strident class
inner basin
Ahh okay. Thanks for the clarification, erick
Personally I do prefer the Strident-Class over the Anlace-Class, but that is an opinion ofc.
noble fjord
UNSC Longsword's are the best UNSC aircraft don't @ me
versed helm
Didn't the Anlance have energy weapons?
fair hazel
It has energy weapons
noble fjord
If the UNSC infinity ever got knocked out... the UNSC would take such a disgusting economic hit
even if put out of commission for a bit
gilded mason
That's happened before
versed helm
Wouldn’t be the first time they took a big hit
noble fjord
@gilded mason when?
gilded mason
Halo 4, if that counts. And when it got hit by an energy projector in Escalation. Completely disabled the ship.
noble fjord
true
but the halo 4 was more solveable
I'm thinking something like Slipspace drive damage
or engine damage
inner basin
I want to see the Infinity burn. With that ship in play humanity will never lose. Which ruins what Halo was originally made from
noble fjord
"Humanity will never lose" yeah that's why it didn't stay and fight Cortana's Guardian at the end of Halo 5
I admit Infinity is a very VERY strong ship but... saying humanity will never lose so long as it exists... is a minor exaggeration
sharp adder
Laskt also knew that at that point in time they would not be able to beat cortana she atacked by suprse
noble fjord
Lasky isn't stupid
sharp adder
in halo all the humans have alsway done is surivie we surived the insurection the cove the flood the promethan war and know we have to surivie cortanana
terse lava
Good luck humanity
noble fjord
also the Infinity is one ship (isn't there 2 infinity class vessels?) so it can't be everywhere at once
unique rune
One complete, one unfinished.
gilded mason
(isn't there 2 infinity class vessels?)
Its sister ship, but it keeps getting cannibalized for parts.
noble fjord
I mean it's not exactly a small ship
unique rune
Parts from the Eternity were used for a refit of the Infinity. Presumably its construction is on hiatus.
noble fjord
It's construction should not happen at all... the ships are strong but it seems stupid to put all those resources to two vessels
when it could probably be used for other ships
gilded mason
Agreed.
unique rune
I dunno, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable. With a full complement, an Infinity-class effectively acts as its own battlegroup.
terse lava
So does an assault carrier
unique rune
Fair
terse lava
Even a humble cruiser
gilded mason
And one of the Infinity's defining features, that Forerunner engine, ain't exactly something that grows on trees.
terse lava
Or reliable @gilded mason
gilded mason
That too
unique rune
Huh, yeah.
Not something I ever thought about.
noble fjord
Carter "and the single most expensive piece of equipment ever designed by man"
Infinity gets made
Carter from the grave "Well darn"
unique rune
Probably the same thing as Infinity.
gilded mason
Games and stuff
terse lava
Maybe
gilded mason
They don't do anything on the Eternity
unique rune
If it's got War Games simulation modules on board, sure.
Eternity's incomplete so it's not really doing much of anything at the moment.
terse lava
I wonder if the covenant had a grifball equalivlent
So did 3, I am talking on before the covenant fell
unique rune
There was some kind of sport played by Sangheili in Broken Circle, wasn't there?
Name's slipped my mind.
terse lava
Floatfights @unique rune
unique rune
Ah, yeah, that's it.
gilded mason
The Fighting Mongooses
terse lava
@unique runebut that was the ussans, not the covenant
umbral citrus
football usurped by blood sports
terse lava
The pumas vs the warthogs
umbral citrus
no it's not a simulation yes those players ARE actively dying
noble fjord
Eternity is an economic waste of time
the UNSC does not need two infinities
they need flexibility over two big old unga bunga floating fortresses
umbral citrus
negative infinity
i mean you can fit a bunch of stuff in a space fortress
probably manage self-sustainability
terse lava
Thing was a giant lifeboat at first
unique rune
They don't need two INFs, sure, but I think it's not entirely unreasonable to get a few up and running to keep an advantage over the still-scattered and warring former Covenant client species.
noble fjord
Literally I look at infinity and all I hear is
"OOGA BOOGA BIG STICK"
tbh I'd rather live on the Shadow of Intent
terse lava
Flood would never do that, and any such currency would be pod coins
gilded mason
but I think it's not entirely unreasonable to get a few up and running to keep an advantage over the still-scattered and warring former Covenant client species.
Would it really be an advantage when one energy projector can render it combat ineffective? And that construction of only one almost bankrupt the UNSC, or something. Along with that engine issue.
noble fjord
My favorite piece of Halo lore
Cortana: "Why do you speak like a poet?"
Gravemind: "I've lived many lives so I just said eff it, let's try it"
- I may have paraphrased -
terse lava
" orange...in what language?"
unique rune
Ostral, honestly, I've got absolutely no idea.
can someone take this dang filter away
I want my normal username back
gilded mason
lol
noble fjord
Why is this filter even a thing, the new movie is mediocre at best
terse lava
Because heresy
gilded mason
Not one of this magnitude
Nobody likes spoilers```
I'm fine with spoilers for bad movies@gilded masonfor heresy such as this, no filter is to great
noble fjord
I got in trouble once because I typed "Halo War" and I was told I was "Bypassing the filter" < _ <
terse lava
Yep
terse lava
Eh
noble fjord
real talk how many Covenant Super Carriers do the Swords of Sanghelios have < _ <
terse lava
None
noble fjord
I thought they had Shadow of Intent?
terse lava
That's an assault carrier
terse lava
5 kn vs 27 km
inner basin
Covenant ship names are hella confusing
terse lava
They don't have one because it's expensive to build
unique rune
Only named CSO we've seen is the Solace in Reach.
noble fjord
how many did the Covies have?
inner basin
We have no idea really, how many they had
terse lava
Where did you get that? @gilded mason
gilded mason
Oblivion
terse lava
@gilded masonah duh yea
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
There was also a hammer of faith from silent storm
And the Imperial Admiral's flag ship from ghost of onyx
So yea....covenant rule
inner basin
Remember that Imperial Admiral got rekt though?
gilded mason
And?
terse lava
Not really
unique rune
Man. Thought I'd get caught up on Halo novels over winter break.
Got like five pages in to Smoke and Shadow and that's, uh.... about it.
gilded mason
lol
inner basin
Oof
terse lava
Ouch
unique rune
Not sure if it's just my own attention span getting screwed up or I'm just not particularly interested in S&S.
inner basin
Sometimes I just read Halopedia to get caught up on lore as reading a book is hard sometimes
It’s nicely condensed making it easy to read if I have a lack of concentration at the time
noble fjord
Ado I need your brain
inner basin
Well that’s an odd way to ask for help, unless you physically want his/her brain
unique rune
He's tryna make an AI outta him
noble fjord
During the whole Flood outbreak in Africa.
How did Rtas get permission to glass Africa and who was at that discussion
inner basin
Well I can say for certain Lord Hood wasn’t happy about it
So probably not Hood who gave Rtas permission
inner basin
Well I guess Rtas does say “If it weren’t for the Arbiters consul, I would’ve glassed your entire planet!” Or something along those lines
terse lava
Yea
noble fjord
Who outside of characters present knew Rtas glassed Earth?
noble fjord
No Oni officials? Seriously!
terse lava
@inner basinyes
noble fjord
Oni is suss
inner basin
So they must’ve known about Rtas glassing the surrounding area to prevent the Flood from infecting the whole of Earth. But ONI seem to know a lot of stuff, that it’s scary to think about
noble fjord
Speaking of glassing, is Reach habitable yet?
inner basin
I believe the UEG returned to Reach after the war, but I can’t remember the year. It goes pretty far into the future for when it’s actually fully able to be habitable again
I can’t remember when I read this though.
Okay it says on Halopedia that it is habitable by 2589
terse lava
That's from the halo reach ending
inner basin
No, I don’t think it is. I thought that’s when the pioneers first arrived (but maybe I’m wrong idk exactly).
Well anyways by 2610, Reach has at least two cities reconstructed (New Alexandria & Esztergom)
terse lava
Yep
noble fjord
well thats a yikes
inner basin
Yeah Ado, you’re right. The Reach ending is 2589
Just read it there now on Halopedia
noble fjord
God Glassing is effective... but also a nightmare when it comes to colonization/planetary occupation
do the covenant even occupy planets?
gilded mason
Why is shipmaster such a cool guy?```
Which one?do the covenant even occupy planets?
If it has Forerunner artifacts, I assume.
Rtas 'Vadum
That is his name
inner basin
Warlock, we get a good look in game of how destructive glassing can be in Halo 5 (at Meridian)
gilded mason
It's a bad name
noble fjord
Rtas 'Vadum is a cool guy... but he is most certainly not a very nice one
gilded mason
I'll just assume you're talking about Let "Three Lines" 'Volir from now on.
terse lava
The covenant inhabit worlds, why would they not?
noble fjord
Hol up...
Who is the more skilled Shipmaster? Rtas or Arbiter
terse lava
@gilded masonbut how?
inner basin
I mean you could just call Rtas “half-jaw”, Donk
gilded mason
@terse lava
Enough to honor our contract.
Half-Jaw is a much better nickname than Shipmaster
inner basin
🤦♂️
terse lava
Eh, I call him commander still from his commando days
noble fjord
Isn't Ripa 'Moramee the physically strongest Arbiter? at least stronger than Thel?
terse lava
Likely
noble fjord
Ripa always looked really big and beefy for an elite
terse lava
Ripa was a beast
inner basin
Yet lost to a petty human
terse lava
He back handed a commander enough to lifet him off the ground
gilded mason
Necks are very vulnerable
inner basin
He got outplayed/arrogant or both
noble fjord
When forge described him as "Massive" I always went "Yeah but you're a human so of course he looks big to you"
but nah... Ripa is huge
He's clearly been eating his vegies
inner basin
He was very careless letting Forge kill him like that though
terse lava
Yep
terse lava
That's why he and the brute chieftain were ironic opposites
keen canopy
Careless and arrogant, and he underestimated Forge's resilience
inner basin
^ and that
terse lava
The chieftain had all the marksmof a sangheili. Ripa...of a jiralhanae
keen canopy
After the beating he gave Forge, I guess Ripa didn't expect him to be a threat anymore
noble fjord
Thel is 319 lbs
Ripa is 382 lbs...
Jesus christ what where his parents feeding him?
terse lava
Didnt even give him a beating, just played with him
inner basin
Yeah he like threw him around like a toy
terse lava
Had he been trying, would have punched through forges gut
keen canopy
Forge was pretty visually battered, and no doubt had some internal injuries IMO
noble fjord
He probably would've fought seriously if Forge let Jerome take the fight
inner basin
Jerome probably would’ve won easily though
inner basin
Well maybe not easily...
keen canopy
I disagree, and I'm Jerome's biggest fan
noble fjord
"My face will be the last thing your pathetic Eyes ever see"
Stabs neck
Surprised Pikachu face
keen canopy
Though the three of Red would have made short work of Ripa
terse lava
Not sure
inner basin
Warlock, you forgot about Forge picking up the energy sword after that
terse lava
They were fighting unshielded stealth sangheili
inner basin
I mean Red Team got single handed wrecked by Attriox
So it maybe wouldn’t be a walk in the park the more I think about it
keen canopy
I agree with Ado though, if Ripa wanted Forge dead, he could have disposed of him very easily. He was playing with Forge.
versed helm
So what did the Primordial say to those scientists that made them kill themselves?
noble fjord
Ripa is 8'1" 382lbs
Jerome is 7'2" 290lbs
keen canopy
@versed helm you want my theory?
versed helm
Why not
noble fjord
I can't imagine a spartan having to look up at his opponent
inner basin
They would usually tackle them to the ground, Warlock
gilded mason
@versed helm
"I saw Joe the other day."
"Joe who?"
"Joe mama!"
terse lava
@versed helmlikely what he told the didact. That the flood and precursors were the same. That their goal was to consume and torture all life for eternity
gilded mason
Opposite
terse lava
@versed helmhis sub commander
noble fjord
Get yourself a man who looks at you the way Rtas looks at the Flood
gilded mason
Flood stuff
terse lava
@gilded masona pity the server lacks titles, we would be Oracle masters at this point
gilded mason
🤜 🤛
terse lava
@versed helmthere nothing good
keen canopy
The Flood's ability to assimilate both organic and synthetic life means that ANY technology or weaponry deployed against them WILL BE eventually obtained by the flood and used by them. Put simply, the flood is hulk- it's power level grows to equal whatever it is up against. Therefore the absolute only way to beat the flood- to reduce it's power level to 0, is to reduce your own power level to 0. AKA suicide.
inner basin
Ado, you would want to be tinker bell?
noble fjord
inb4 Flood Outbreak on infinity < _ <
gilded mason
based
terse lava
@inner basin...what?
gilded mason
Oracles
terse lava
Ah
gilded mason
Johnson called one Tinkerbell
terse lava
Yea yea
inner basin
Oracle... Johnson refers to Spark as tinker bell
terse lava
Thought too seriously on it
gilded mason
lol
noble fjord
Exuberant vs Spark
Bubbly and somewhat innocent (granted not really innocent if you knew the og forerunners) vs completely cuckoo for cocoa puffs
inner basin
Spark would probably say “Protocol dictates action” then zap Exuberant
noble fjord
I kinda feel bad for some of the species Exuberant has in her zoo
keen canopy
Oh @versed helm i forgot to ping you
Did you catch my answer?