How does Mjolnir power its shields and enhance the user's strength at the same time, Forthencho? Because it would basically be similar to that
#lore-and-universe
carmine sleet
versed helm
it would
but this would be added load
Upgrade the power generator maybe?
oh eck
its a fusion core
yeah, do whatever
carmine sleet
Granted, it would be easier to just have a mounted energy blade using its own power system so then it could be detached and used as a more conventional melee weapon
versed helm
I think that wrist mounted energy blades would be used on bulkier armor that would have bigger generators i assume
Just a thought
yep
a good one
i remember the time when chief met spark, and spark said you need like, 6 times stronger armour bruv
and chief tripped
carmine sleet
I mean, they're fusion reactors. They basically have the best power supply possible for the UNSC. And by that I mean they can last for a really long time
versed helm
they can
carmine sleet
And Chief didn't "trip" when Spark said he was in a combat skin not suited for dealing with the Flood
carmine sleet
I will admit, I do need to brush up on my science but I believe a fusion reactor can theoretically generate an infinite amount of energy so long as it is maintained. Plus, unlike fission reactors, if something goes wrong with a fusion reactor, instead of a violent explosion, it'll just shut down. But like I said, I need to brush up on the science behind it so I could have some stuff wrong
versed helm
wait...fusion is nucleonic addition
like hydrogens joining to make a helium
the mass defect release is what gives the energy.....i think.....
wait.
what does the reactor fuse?
like, what elements?
i'm pretty sure its h to he
carmine sleet
Fusion power is a proposed form of power generation that would generate electricity by using heat from nuclear fusion reactions. In a fusion process, two lighter atomic nuclei combine to form a heavier nucleus, while releasing energy
Taken from google
versed helm
im talking about about the elements
like, does it use hydrogen
or wort else?
cause idk what all they could use in the 2500s for fusion reactions
but the basic h to he is what happens on the suns, and that releases a heck ton of energy
so.....going on that assumption, it is actually quiet feasible to weld energy swords to the suits
lunar condor
Nuclear power generators are still limited by how much power their design can produce
versed helm
they'll actually be better than the hand held ones, since the infinite power, meaning infinite durability
lunar condor
its not like they have perfected nuclear fusion
carmine sleet
I believe we're basically trying to recreate what the sun is doing so it would be hydrogen. But the problem isn't so much the element being used, more trying to get it to the temperature we need without destroying the materials we're using in the reactors and in a safe manner
lunar condor
? what they literally just made small fusion reactors in 2550
versed helm
they have fusion packs the size the size of basketballs
lunar condor
they are far away from having it perfected
carmine sleet
If they've made small fusion reactors, that most likely means they have perfected the fusion reactors
It's not like we're trying to make small fusion reactors. We need to start big before we go small
lunar condor
idk doesnt sound like it in the books, you usually hear about one ship or another having a new and better design
versed helm
or the spartan suits
carmine sleet
Because you would still make improvements, even when you have perfected it
Like, we've perfected making vehicles with tires, yet we still improve upon them to make them faster or more efficient
versed helm
the durability of the pack also depends on the kind of fusion, i believe
cause the kind we know about is thermonuclear, which is basically making two lighter atoms or nucleii collide under intense heat to overcome the inter-nucleic repulsions
but, if the packs are small enough to fit on a person, it is possible that they use some other method to fuse
cause the thermonuclear one, at ths point, is only possible during h-bomb explosions
terse lava
maybe 343 will expand on that someday
thought would guess new elements being found/made to pull it off
versed helm
yep
terse lava
Was it ever said if the non chieftain brute armor originated from them, or just made by the covenant for them
inner basin
I mean there’s a different type of Titanium mined on Reach if memory serves me correctly, so there surely are a lot more elements in the Halo Universe that we don’t know of
versed helm
Hol up
Can hardlight be used as a type of blade?
You see ivan if you shut lite de enemi vill not knov vhat hit them
terse lava
Hm?
versed helm
Idk it just sounds like something that russians in cold war would do if given the technology
umbral citrus
you see ivan if you shoot the light your gun will never be heavy
versed helm
This guy gets it
delicate sky
it fires 5 shots or something
not really accurate scientifically though no
you wouldnt waste energy on a visible laser beam, it'd be invisible or whatever
fair hazel
likely hydrogen
shut dew
Have there been any Jiralhanae in lore that's lived alongside Humans? Is that even possible?
fair hazel
Yes there have
versed helm
Huh, where
fair hazel
Venezia has a bunch of them. And keepers of the one freedom have
Humans in their faction
versed helm
Oh, thanks then
terse lava
Kinda funny to think the cannon fodder of the covenant have armor that's far more advanced then humans
stoic hamlet
It makes sense though
Just because they’re canon fodder doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be armoured, and the Covenant are more advanced anyways.
deft pulsar
Not going to lie dem grunts killed me a few times
gilded mason
I'm sure it made their day.
terse lava
Well I mean, their tanks are not connected to their masks
No 2, 3, or even 4 had that nice little tech boost, but the grunts do
stoic hamlet
That might be a gameplay thing.
Like, in the game Verdun, the gasmasks don’t connect to any filters, but historically they’d have tubes and the like.
But the game can’t really show that, so they don’t.
I’m guessing it’s the same for the Grunts, in that sensez
last anchor
Maybe we couldn’t see it under their armor
gilded mason
Because they were there and the Banished didn't like that.
They're a bit too...disgusting to ally with, I think.
Morally/ethically
versed helm
Only Master Chief's first name was confirmed, John, so there's a chance his full name could be Johnny Test
last anchor
I wouldn’t hold my breath for that really
knotty bone
Why was Sheila 065 important
gilded mason
She was important for Thel 'Lodamee's self-esteem.
I bet he felt very good about killing her.
fiery sierra
John Halo
stoic hamlet
Obviously his name is John Spartan.
versed helm
halo chief
terse lava
Clearly his full name was John Appleseed
lunar condor
My sources say it was John Chadimus Maximus
terse lava
John Borne
noble fjord
"Time was your ally human... but now it has abandoned you"
Question for my fellow Lore Brothers.
Was it ever explained how Exuberant Witness managed to seize control from Cortana?
delicate sky
something something 'its my installation not yours'
terse lava
@noble fjordprecursors
noble fjord
Exuberant just has more Charisma and Personality than Cortana clearly...
terse lava
Those d20 rolls
noble fjord
Exuberant is just better at D&D than Cortana
well in other unexplained halo news
what exactly did happen to Captain Del Rio?
did he get demoted?
gilded mason
He became a politician
noble fjord
Wait, seriously? You're joking right?
terse lava
Bahaha
"Fourscore and one year ago, I abandoned the masterchef on a forerunner world"
noble fjord
Honestly
what other things were left unanswered from the games
Because he's an emotionless brick
fair hazel
hes not emotionless
terse lava
@noble fjordi chuckled more.then I should have e at that
noble fjord
I'm not entirely wrong.
Between Halo 1-5 he shows less emotion then the average corpse does
noble fjord
Who isn't afraid of the flood?
fair hazel
and u see things in halo 4 and 5 a lot
comics
etc
he was afraid of dying when the didact had him too on installation 03
noble fjord
Didn't see much fear being shown
Nor does his voice do a good job of conveying emotion since he uses the same monotone voice for everything.
terse lava
And the commandos from the Oblivion prequel had him pumping lead into the dead leader
noble fjord
I like Chief but god he's pretty... devoid of basic human emotion (in the games mostly, the comics at least try)
versed helm
bungie did that
and even in 3, he does show some feels when he finds the message from cortana
in 4 and 5 he actually gives a heck
noble fjord
(I think I need to state this, I know he on occasion has shown emotion in games and other media but for the most part, Chief is one of the least human characters in the games.)
I wouldn't be complaining were it not for Arbiter showing more human emotion than him
noble fjord
Noble 6 showed more emotion in one game than Chief did in Halo 1-5 <_<
Smacks face against keyboard
fair hazel
i dont think you read properly.
and not really
i said on installation 03
you can't really hear a comic can you?
noble fjord
If we're talking about a book
or comic
yes in those he has shown more emotion
but if we're talking in game (which I am)
fair hazel
You have the intro of halo 5 john reminicing.
the emotion in halo 4 at the end, I am not, leaving you... you can hear the emotion in his voice and his movements
his body language too, the mocap actor did an excellent job
terse lava
Indeed
noble fjord
Still not a lot considering the 5 games he's been in
I also give 343i credit since Halo 4 and Halo 5 at least try to make Chief less of an emotionless super soldier and more of a human
fair hazel
John kinda does wake up in a panic a bit in 4.
terse lava
Who wouldn't
versed helm
of course he does, @fair hazel
terse lava
Oh wait
versed helm
cortana needed him
fair hazel
an emotionless being?
noble fjord
I can't imagine 4 years in cryo is good for your health... granted Spirit of Fire's crew seemed pretty chill after 28 years in cryo
terse lava
Same in the flood intro
noble fjord
~Pun detected~
terse lava
He has that nightmare
versed helm
same in a lot of places
noble fjord
Ado you gonna give me credit for that pun?
fair hazel
haha
terse lava
@noble fjordwere it so easy
versed helm
chief is legit floating around in space in the trailer for infinite
cost free cryo much
fair hazel
john does have his moments of humor too by the way
noble fjord
I hope they explain how that happens
delicate sky
literally says boo to a grunt in Halo 2
fair hazel
"no thanks to your driving, yes"
noble fjord
Yeah "Boo" is the recognizable one
fair hazel
I don't suppose you're good at clearing LZ "on occasion"
terse lava
" once there was a battle.on halo, it was so big that everyone died. The end"
fair hazel
oblivion, silent storm has moments too
versed helm
aye
terse lava
Wort
versed helm
wort wort wort
noble fjord
Voridus do not disappoint Atriox again
"What could go wrong?"
Unleashes the flood
terse lava
This is why the sangheili were in charge in the covenant
noble fjord
$20 says if Colony or Let'Volir were sent on that mission, nothing would've gone wrong
versed helm
like, at the end of the battle with the proto gm, atriox comes in and says clean up, then meet me
terse lava
Yep
versed helm
20 credits
gilded mason
No way What's-His-Face is gonna survive that meeting.
versed helm
man, atriox shoulda dealt with it himself
noble fjord
Pavium has mega turrets Heh
Spams Mega Turrets on Multiplayer
terse lava
@gilded masonafter the meeting, he wont have a face
versed helm
which meeting? atriox? or the flood?
noble fjord
I mean Atriox basically told him to go on a salvage mission... he didn't think his generals would be that dumb
noble fjord
also nice little detail I like about the cutscenes is that Pavium and Voridus's armor actually have glass that covers their eyes. idk why I like it
versed helm
atriox: see what you can find
voridus: we found the flood! OH HECK!
terse lava
Yea
versed helm
man, brutes are fun guys
terse lava
Pavium: remember, keep out if high charity
- one moment later*
Voridus: The flood?!but how??
Fun, but dumb
Very dumb
noble fjord
God I hate Voridus... but boy oh boy do I love a volatile scarab in MP
terse lava
Pikachu face I guess?
terse lava
You know, I wonder what atriox was doing right before.pavium called hin
Having a brute coffee maybe? Thinkingnhenwill surely have more plunder soon
noble fjord
I swear when Atriox get's his reports from his Generals it's just.
Colony: Good news
Let'Volir: Good news
Pavium: Good news
Voridus: Heavy sigh
wary gull
Does anyone know what the halo blast consisted of?
Was it like a super last of gamma radiation?
noble fjord
it was space magic
gilded mason
When activated, the Halo rings release a burst of cross-phased supermassive neutrinos. The burst possesses a harmonic frequency, which can be tuned to destroy the nervous system of any macroscopic organism that possesses one
fair hazel
I like saying that off memory. It always sounds so fancy ostral
noble fjord
Honestly if you didn't read the first sentence, it sounds like the Halo array is a really fancy boom box
delicate sky
implying frequencies are for Sound only
noble fjord
I'm not
but the first thing most people think of when they hear "Harmonic" is sound.
versed helm
Atriox: (sipping some juice stuff) Voridus is late for his report. I must reprimand him for this. (pad beeps) Ah! Voridus! What news do you have? What all is salvageable?
Voridus: Uhhh...the news is good... (brutes and grunts yelling) {MOW THEM DOWN!}yeah. Its...pretty good. {KILL THE SPORES!! DONT LET THEM TOUCH YOU!!} We found stuff. Yeah. Some pretty good stuff. (snarling sounds) (plasma fire and burst sounds) (more yelling)
Atriox: (highly suspicious) Voridus?
Voridus: (heavy sigh) Yeahh........we released the Flood.
Atriox: (facepalms)
delicate sky
I guess
terse lava
Pavium: noble atriox, I have regretfully called to rep-
Atriox: Voridus, he released the flood?
Pavium:.....yes
versed helm
he'd almost died to single brutes
so I'm gonna say a hard, definite no
that being said
he'd find a clever way to do it
but just head on? no
stoic hamlet
^^^
gilded mason
If he was smart about it and used every trick in the book and the environment to his advantage
misty dagger
Just played halo reach campaign again, when it came to Jorge's death mission I was a bit sad, but is it bad that I laughed when I remembered what happened immediately after 😂 poor dude
sleek star
BUT i like HALO FOLLOWER tho @versed helm 😮
sleek star
not that i ever noticed
versed helm
basically, it's just a thing that linking to him leads to a lot of confusion for some. especially on things that were never actually stated
sleek star
ohhhh i like halo follower videos
sleek star
never read any of the halo books just watch the videos
carmine sleet
Halo Canon is a much better source for canon info on YouTube
carmine sleet
He is
versed helm
I wouldn't mind another Halo Legends season
keen canopy
I'm not sure that Legends did as well as they wanted it to
jaunty latch
Is human medicine superior to covenant medicine ?
silk oyster
I think that would depend really
What the thing they are trying to cure and all of that
Actually now that I think about it would the flood be a sickness?
silk oyster
Yeah but the way it spreads made me think it was kind of like a virus
Well not the way but how fast it spreads
versed helm
is it ok to call it a mutasite, since it mutates the body beyond limits?
silk oyster
I think that would be okay because a parasite is usually something like ringworm and really it only affects the skin but the flood changes the way you look entirely
Well not only look but the way you think
versed helm
before getting flooded: buff guy
after getting flooded: buff ball of puss
silk oyster
Yeah
versed helm
aye
unique rune
They were almost at the same level as the Forerunners.
Still lacking in some aspects.
inner basin
@maiden crest Ancient Humanity reverse engineered Forerunner tech, which is why they were almost level with, but were lacking. Both were at a Tier 1 for technology level though
half apex
Who was the actor for chief? The one who did the movements, not the voice
inner basin
We already have seen Chief’s face at the end of Halo 4 during the legendary ending cutscene. If you turn the brightness up you can see it clearly. But what’s this got to do with lore?
half apex
The entire face?
All we pretty much saw was just a glimpse of his eyes
Eh well this is sort of a general discussion thing tbh
maiden crest
Did forerunners allow humans to reverse engineer their tech
half apex
Sorry
inner basin
It’s alright Nexus. Also no, they didn’t MaNn. It was scavenged by Ancient Humanity. Both species had a great disdain for each other after the Precursors were giving the Mantle of Responsibility to them, but this could’ve gone even further back than that. Someone will correct me on that
maiden crest
Oh
stoic hamlet
We haven’t see his full face but it has been described since as early as The Flood.
inner basin
Was it described as being like something from a cave (Noble 6 anyone?)
stoic hamlet
Heh
inner basin
I recall it being described as if Chief was from a cave/crevice (due to how pale his face was). Also we do see (most of) his face in H4’s legendary ending, we don’t see his full head though. If you turn the brightness all the way up, you get a good view of his face. I’ll link the video if I can find it
Here it is - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OpEacScyvmM
As a side note, wish this YTer would come back to Halo :/
versed helm
Yeah. i think we get see a wee bit of his face in the ending of CE.
inner basin
We can confirm that John needs to get sunbathing to fix that colour of his skin
honest bane
Such is the life of a Spartan.
...Speaking of, kinda hoped that we would have gotten something expanding on IIIs that wasn't Glasslands, but whatever.
inner basin
^ Agreed. Spartan-III lore is very lacklustre considering how big a part they’ve played in Halo so far.
honest bane
Well, it also doesn't help that aside from a smattering of window dressing ops that we never see, Alpha and Beta Companies are basically reduced to 'they all died' and 'they all died minus two.'
inner basin
Well those are the mainline companies, who were sent on suicide missions. We do there are Mjolnir-class Spartan-III commandos and Fireteams though, as well as S-III Headhunters post-war
honest bane
No, some were extracted from their parent companies for their talents.
Like Noble Six was.
inner basin
Spartan-IIIs who were deemed too valuable to be sent on suicide missions were pulled from the mainline companies
We have no idea how many were pulled from both Alpha and Beta, and if any were even pulled from Gamma, unless Sabre, Katana and Gladius were actually being tested for that reason (and top honours was a cover-up)
honest bane
I sometimes wonder what happened to Delta Company, especially considering what became of Onyx.
inner basin
I had a theory on that, but as far as we know right now, the candidates were never trained
My theory is that, the Spartans from the candidates who would be too valuable would actually be trained under ONI, and they act on their command
versed helm
Speaking of Onyx,i think it would also be another good place to hide from the Created,given the whole Paxopolis thing
gilded mason
With it currently in Slipspace, that might be a problem for anyone new that wants to take up residence.
versed helm
True,i'd probably had to settle there beforehand
honest bane
I always thought making a game in which you were a Spartan III would be neat.
And not Reach, good as it was - I mean taking a point of view from a III in one of the three companies, like one of the Gamma Spartans sent off to combat while the other squads vied for top honours, or a team of Headhunters.
inner basin
But back to Mjolnir-clad Spartan-IIIs. I’ll lost all the teams/Spartan-IIIs we know of under this bracket.
-Noble Team (except Jorge) KIA but Jun;
-Gauntlet Team UNKNOWN;
-Echo Team UNKNOWN;
-Red Team (this is not the Spartan-II Red Team) UNKNOWN;
-Unknown Spartan-III Fireteam at Tribute) KIA;
-Owen-B096;
-Kevin-A282;
-Rosenda-A344 UNKNOWN;
-Tom-B292 (post-Onyx);
Lucy-B091 (post-Onyx).
I think that’s all of them, but add the known Mjolnir-clad Spartan-IIIs if you know any
This should help anyone who’s confused
inner basin
No, they wore SPI. Even as Ferrets they preferred SPI
honest bane
Well, there was going to be a Delta, and then the Onyx kerfuffle happened.
inner basin
eeick, they had candidates for Delta, I’ll link the Halopedia page
The part about ONI picking the best and outfitting them in Mjolnir was a personal THEORY of mine that could be plausible. It’d be highly classified though, cause ONI operates that way.
fair hazel
Not active spartans.
inner basin
Well to quote Halopedia “The fate of the Delta Company candidates following Onyx's destruction is unknown.”
fair hazel
But yes many spartan -IIIs were equipped with mjolnir
Like.
Many of those taken out from missions
inner basin
I made a list of the Spartan-IIIs in Mjolnir up above. May have missed some though
honest bane
Just a shame that the likelihood of a game revolving around IIIs is slimmer than a stick insect.
...Could always go with a fanfic, but I think I've missed the heyday.
fair hazel
Halo reach...
honest bane
I did outline earlier, one that wasn't Reach. Appreciated though it was.
inner basin
I made up fanfic dossiers on Spartan-IIIs that fit with canon events. It’s just a craving. As for Reach, meh, I want more
^ I can confirm. I agreed too
versed helm
How they handled Jul Mdama in Halo 5 was pathetic
gilded mason
I cry for Jul.
honest bane
I mean, most of Halo 5 was pathetic.
versed helm
Cortana should've stayed dead
fair hazel
I’m going to say something though. Not like Jul was said to be this great fighter.
Naomi captured him pretty easily too.
gilded mason
This is about writing, not prowess.
versed helm
Also,did they reveal who the Warden Eternal is?
fair hazel
The keeper of the domain
versed helm
I mean like where id he come from?
gilded mason
I am surprised no mention of him came up in Promises to Keep.
fair hazel
Wonder if there were some dormant wardens guarding the organon
versed helm
I wonder if Abaddon is still out there somewhere
fair hazel
It’s kinda poetic? How bornstellar ended up finding the organon after all.
versed helm
It actually is kind of poetic
inner basin
Here is a video that perfectly encapsulates my feeling towards the Elites in Halo 4 and Halo 5, a great watch too (sorry for the late input and disturbance btw) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LibYtxzg1sg
versed helm
Does Cortana even know about Venezia?
fair hazel
Aw but a boy he ventured to earth for adventure. Into the djamonkin crater he went in search of the organon. Once he was forced to mutate and mature. He’d find the organon on maethrillian. Like the start of a journey and the end of one
gilded mason
They're be no reason she wouldn't know
fair hazel
Sangheili in 4/5 are not remotely like brutes
versed helm
I wonder what Brutes would look like with Halo 4 and 5 graphics
inner basin
Meh, I’d beg to differ
fair hazel
I don’t.
inner basin
But we all have opinions
versed helm
So how much of the galaxy does Cortana control so far?
carmine sleet
Is someone saying H4 Elites are Brutes again?
gilded mason
I guess everything.
fair hazel
Someone is slipstream.
Most of the known parts
There would be pockets where one reason or another the created might not have.
versed helm
I'm betting that most of Orion Arm is under her control
inner basin
Most definitely
versed helm
But the rest,probably not
carmine sleet
I will never get why people think that when Elites look completely different to Brutes in all the games. Last I checked, Elites in H4 aren't furry like Brutes
gilded mason
I don't think that's what people mean about that, Slippy.
inner basin
Yeah, it’s more the look of their face, being crushed up, the mandibles being too high, might as well be in their eye. I just hate the design as a whole, but those are my opinions
versed helm
So if the Banished do come back in a future Halo game,what role would they play?
gilded mason
what role would they play?
To die
carmine sleet
Oh, I know, Ostral, but that's one thing that I think should be pointed out
fair hazel
Their faces don’t look crushed up..?
Mandibles in H2A are honestly pretty low compared to others. But they still look good.
No they can’t damage their eyes with their mandibles.
carmine sleet
Another thing, Brutes don't have mandibles, something that all Elites have regardless of artstyle
fair hazel
Grim brother even dispelled that silly notion
inner basin
I didn’t say they could, but they might as well be, read the full message
versed helm
Atriox is still awesome though
gilded mason
Atriox is a two-bit chump.
fair hazel
I like atriox.
ember fog
atriox is the best 343 era villain
inner basin
He is pretty powerful. Ostral doesn’t like him because of what he did to that group of Elites
fair hazel
He’s nice but I’m not sure I’m personally ranking villains
versed helm
I still wonder,who or what lives outside the Orion Arm,i know that the galaxy is a big place but still
inner basin
He also has a lot more forces than what he has on the Ark
fair hazel
There’s stuff located outside Orion arm
versed helm
Not the Arks and stuff
fair hazel
The arks were located outside the galaxy, beyond only the Orion arm
versed helm
I still wonder if the UNSC and SOS might eventually find Maethrillian
What are they gonna do
gilded mason
And then they do, they find Rho already there, living the good life. 😎
fair hazel
I hope so.
One of the things I wanted for infinite was finding rho. Then returning to reach. Then. Maethrillian
versed helm
Remind me again,what was the name of that Sangheili that kicked John's butt in an energy sword duel?
gilded mason
My boy Thel 'Lodamee
inner basin
Who was the commanding officer of Thel (the one above)?
gilded mason
Luro 'Taralumee
inner basin
Will he be punished for what he did?
versed helm
Or was he punished
inner basin
Letting John live and letting Halsey get away that is
gilded mason
If he was punished, it didn't do much, considering he's off now leading his own faction.
(Luro, that is)
versed helm
What's another high ranking Elite that's still unaccounted for?
inner basin
It says on Halopedia that for his failure he was most likely punished upon returning to High Charity, so I guess that answer is yes
versed helm
I still wonder,will Sali Nyon ever come back?
gilded mason
Hope not.
However, one Elite from Escalation I do wanna see again is Ayit 'Sevi.
he cute
inner basin
Alucard, there are a LOT of Fleetmasters who we haven’t seen come back yet
versed helm
Like that one that traveled to Kholo?
gilded mason
Oh yeah, that guy
inner basin
There are others. Quite a few to list actually.
versed helm
Why do i have the feeling that Rho didn't die?
gilded mason
Because everything only says he presumably died and he doesn't have a deathdate on his Waypoint profile while Jorge does?
inner basin
I mean I don’t know why he doesn’t. I don’t see how he could’ve survived tbh
gilded mason
neu-
novel lagoon
Question: Would you want for Johnson to be alive or do you think that would ruin things?
gilded mason
Let's not have more people inexplicably return from the dead.
versed helm
aye
carmine sleet
Keep Johnson dead. It would not only raise too many questions if he turned out to be alive but it would also cheapen what happened at the end of Halo 3
carmine sleet
The Flood using someone is different to bringing a character back from the dead
carmine sleet
Like, Regret wasn't really Regret anymore when he was part of the Gravemind
carmine sleet
That's not how the Flood works
versed helm
"you call those tentacles? they make limp spaghetti look lethal"
ik
just for fun, sometimes
i do random crap like this
carmine sleet
That still wouldn't be the same as Johnson coming back from the dead
versed helm
on?
carmine sleet
It killed Johnson, that's the effect of Spark's laser face
versed helm
flashes back to red vs blue
laser face
oh mama, that's a godly bit of entertainment
all lasers are heat based
that's how they work
i know, but do you expect spark's laser to cut through a planet or something?
until and unless you bring neural physics into this
it is impossible to have cold lasers
they'll barely have any energy
a laser transfers energy to the atomic level of a something
exciting the atoms to such an extent that the intermolecular bonds begin breaking
this splitting of bonds only occurs at the places where the energy transfer is occuring
so, it cuts through
unlike plasma, that melts through, since its energy spreads out over a larger area and burns off a layer or two
TMI?
.....sorry. i kinda got carried away. again
but its fun to know stuff
keen canopy
You answered your own question obviously Donk
They woulda made Johnson's body charred and smoking had they the time or will
I always loved how Buck was covered in Drone blood in the last two levels of ODST
terse lava
The small thingd
keen canopy
🤣
novel lagoon
But are they self aware
Oh
I think there brain becomes digitized to some degree allowing basic function but they are still controlled by the diadact
And composing is the digitaztion of organisms it think into the composer
Maybe the mind insist on the Promethans but is instead sent to them from another location
Also hard light is some form of light project that holds a solid form
Somehow
Also I mean it’s halo we have space zombies and giant rings not everything has to make sense but I like how they do explains a lot in lore
gilded mason
They are AI in the sense that that they are digital, though they were once biological. The Composer just converted them to digital essences.
It converts their mind/soul/whatever into a digital version.
The essence isn't hard light. Just the prosthetic body that they can inhabit.
The hard light is just the physical body aspect, I believe.
gilded mason
Ah, for some reason, I had heard they were totally made of hard light
versed helm
The core is
gilded mason
Seems it's actually called
https://www.halopedia.org/Smartmatter
versed helm
.....
prometheium it is
Its forerunner tech
pulse signals
optic waves
you know, beep beep boop bap
gilded mason
it says that the biological prometheans compose into hard light.
Where was that said, again?
versed helm
but the prometheans were composed into hard light
ur does that
the haRd light is like the CPU
FRICK IT
gilded mason
Don't use that wiki
gilded mason
None are official, but the one people actually use and update is Halopedia
obsidian thistle
There is no official wiki. But I am bias to Halopedia as I admin it 😮
gilded mason
promethian knowledge and behaviour was digitized and uploaded into robotic components which used hard light as an energy source to power them.
Yes
scarlet hinge
the only game i can think of with an official wiki is the paradox wikis (stellaris, etc)
gilded mason
Actually, for energy swource
Maybe they use vacuum energy. Never looked into that part.
versed helm
How did the forerunner armour get its energy?
Same thing
So do sentinels
and cryptums
Aye
wait waht no
the hard light in the suit is the consciousness of the forerunner/human that was composed
gilded mason
Where was that said?
versed helm
we store data in the form of optic signals now, dont we?
the composer is a gateway to the Domain, right?
Like, it sends stuff there, and all?
obsidian thistle
The Composer isnt a gateway.
gilded mason
Apparently it sends things to the ~Composer's Abyss~
obsidian thistle
The Composer can send to the Abyss. Or it can locally store stuff.
Its theorized that the portal to Gamma Halo on the Didacts ship in Halo 4 was sending stuff to the Abyss.
gilded mason
Makes sense
obsidian thistle
Why else have the portal to Gamma Halo.
versed helm
But cant the terminals be there to store composed stuff? Like, insert whatever the forerunners used as hard drives in one and store stuff in it?
in case they couldnt access the domain?
cause that's a pretty major thing in silentium
they just cant access the domain
and lose out on a lot of info
humble yacht
@versed helm the composer didn’t have 3 AI slots
Those AI ports were part of the ship, not the composer
Cortana was trying to bring down the shield around Didact and the composer
No
humble yacht
The composer fit inside the ship like cartridge in a SNES
carmine sleet
It would've been pointless for him to go from Requiem to 03 if he already had a Composer in his space Metapod
I can't be the only one who thinks the Mantle's Approach kinda looks like a Metapod, right?
humble yacht
It does
gilded mason
Nah, it does
Also, man. Thinking about that also made me also think about how it really did not look as big as it actually while in Halo 4.
carmine sleet
How big is it again?
humble yacht
Bigger than the Death Star2 apparently
gilded mason
As big as High Charity
carmine sleet
Ok, it definitely did not appear to be that big
gilded mason
Yeah, no question
carmine sleet
Like, I thought it was about the size of Infinity
gilded mason
Same
carmine sleet
Maybe slightly larger but still
gilded mason
Nothing in the game gives the impression it's actually that gargantuan, it's crazy
humble yacht
Yea it never appears next to something large enough to let us get an idea of scale
versed helm
It was found in an asteroid, right?
carmine sleet
The Composer was on 03 but moved to Ivanoff Station, Forthencho
carmine sleet
Cool mechs
versed helm
exosuits with missiles
humble yacht
What’s the point of the grunt goblin?
gilded mason
It helps that the very start of the level Composer shows it right next to Liches that look pretty sizable next to it
carmine sleet
It can if you think hard enough
versed helm
Man
humble yacht
Mantis’s bipedal movement would allow it to traverse terrain inaccessible by tanks
versed helm
yeah
carmine sleet
I think the reason why the Goblin has such strong shields is more due to it being a Warzone boss
humble yacht
Similar reasoning to metal gears
carmine sleet
But when will someone develop a weapon to surpass Metal Gear
versed helm
the halo array
carmine sleet
Slow down, I said surpass, not wipe out the galaxy
terse lava
Metal gear was a project made by humans for the covenant 😉
versed helm
what are we comparing here, exactly?
humble yacht
I don’t think Rex shows up anywhere in mgs3
versed helm
.....
carmine sleet
Schematics are different to the thing actually showing up
humble yacht
Having a design on paper doesn’t mean much
Also looking it up, it wasn’t exactly schematics for Rex, just something that looked close to Rex
At the end of the day, the actual reasoning is likely to be that game designers think mechs are cool
carmine sleet
I mean, they haven't developed hover tanks
versed helm
It is
versed helm
Who knows what all ONI is up to
humble yacht
And uneven terrain can still give wraiths trouble
carmine sleet
I know one thing ONI isn't up to
versed helm
Underwater ops
humble yacht
A mantis is tall enough that it could likely Ford medium bodies of water
versed helm
for the mantis near water thing
humble yacht
And it’s armaments would still be above the water level
versed helm
Aye
With proper covering, it could be used to launch assaults on shores and all
Oi
its resting pose is a t-bag mode
exactly
ohh
my bad
humble yacht
It can’t jump in gameplay but lore wise it may be capable of jumping
versed helm
give it cpr
carmine sleet
Might not be your internet, I'm having Discord issues too
versed helm
Check thePower Routing
y'all just gonna ignore the IT joke i just made
s'all right
terse lava
madness
versed helm
mantises, but with slipspace engines
terse lava
no, they are jorge, he was a proyotype
versed helm
"Bro, nice ride"
"Thanks, its a Jorge"
we're going to h-ell for this, but its totally worth it
humble yacht
Just go feet first and you’re fine
carmine sleet
Staying behind on the Great Journey would be their version of hell
humble yacht
Not every religion has both a heaven and a hell
versed helm
so basically, not dying
is the covie version of hell
they do
its called not dead
humble yacht
Covenant theology seems more focused on transcendence as opposed to a happy afterlife
Remember that the covenant didn’t consider the halos to be death machines
humble yacht
No
All the covenant who died before the “great journey” did not get to go on the journey
versed helm
man, theology is beyond me
carmine sleet
Because of Spartans killing so many of their troops
versed helm
yeah
you wouldnt call a killing machine jesus, now would you
wait
i would
wrong example
carmine sleet
Chief then was given the title of "The Demon" after he destroyed Alpha Halo
versed helm
since he committed top level heresy
he's the Alpha Demon
plus shipping prices
you could
but who's gonna pay the inter galactic travel tax
for something as big as the ark, it'd be quit a big amount
carmine sleet
Most likely
humble yacht
The idea of demons predates Christianity. Demons can be just another term for monster
versed helm
Well, the Spartans sure weren't nice to them covies
humble yacht
Hm I wonder why
carmine sleet
Maybe they should've offered the Covenant watermelons instead of killing them?
terse lava
then it turns out jorge himself was a brute, the end
No that's jun
Grunt due to death via heashot
inner basin
What’s Emile and Six?
gilded mason
Six can be an Elite.
Emile...Yonhet. 😎
gilded mason
Ye
terse lava
And keyes?
inner basin
A prophet
gilded mason
A thingie
terse lava
He can be a single lekgolo worm
gilded mason
based
terse lava
Hm?
inner basin
May I just ask what the original conversation was, and how it has devolved into this?
gilded mason
You not know what 'based' is, Ado?
terse lava
My mind immediately went to "based on" and figured you typoed
gilded mason
Oh
keen canopy
Spartans = demons
John = The demon
inner basin
Grey Team have their own nickname, the demon three, I believe
wicked pasture
cause they destroyed glyke
keen canopy
Covenant sure are creative
keen canopy
"Those three demons, what should we call them for short?"
"How about the demon three?"
"Good thinking!"
terse lava
Your a demon, hes a demon, I'm a demon! Are there any more demons I need to know sbout?
inner basin
Me!
keen canopy
*You're
terse lava
You're a beast
keen canopy
I'm the grammar demon
versed helm
im the ancient demon
inner basin
Cause he got muted, right?
keen canopy
Like once every week lol
inner basin
You mean speechless?
versed helm
cause i speak the true schist
keen canopy
A Covenant Separatist blockade fleet lets through more than that filter
versed helm
im too big brained for the warden, see
so he just bans me
SCARDEY FART EMMITOR PUNK!
inner basin
You really don’t do yourself any favours
versed helm
ik
inner basin
Well as long as you know that’s fine
rigid current
Is Jun supposed to be Iranian? I've always wandered what the ethnicities of Kat and Jun were
inner basin
Jun strikes me as Russian sometimes
versed helm
Kat was isareli I think
inner basin
Kat sounds a bit Hispanic
rigid current
Some people are saying Kat's Russian since Katherine's a Russian name
But I don't think that
inner basin
Katherine sounds more Spanish to me
versed helm
No, spanish use a C for Catherine
rigid current
I suppose they're meant to be an amalgamation of different ethnicities. Like Tanaka
How she's black but Minab had a large Asian subculture
fair hazel
a lot of people in the future too take the planet they're on as their origin. Some date their stuff to earth, but a lot of places, cultures and so on have mixed together.
versed helm
Kat and Jun are from a planet called New Harmony
It had russian colonists
So it's safe to assume they're both russian
rigid current
I know Jorge is Hungarian, Carter is generic white guy
rigid current
Wb Emile?
versed helm
Oh right
rigid current
If I had to guess, I saw this from a forum and thought it was kinda unique and cool
he has some Cajun blood in him
inner basin
We do know that 6 IS a man, but that’s it. Emile I believe is of a black ethnicity (at least planned to be by Bungie)
rigid current
Oh... Emile's from Eridanus II
carmine sleet
It's a city that shares its name. Not the city that is in Egypt
versed helm
Yeah, I didn't state it clearly
inner basin
It also doesn’t mean the people that live there are from an Egyptian decent
rigid current
Halopedia doesn't much about who the original colonists were
inner basin
The people who colonised it, maybe. But not the current population
rigid current
But I'd say it's probably varied considering Chief's white and Emile's (possibly) black
brb
fair hazel
ahh to omany to reply
Okay, seems like a lot of people have issues with nationality, citizenship, ethnicities, etc.
It's already messy as it is in real life.
unless it's stated or very close to, you can't really say a character is X.
Take the united states or canada for example. People from so many places, come together and they form this identity. sometimes they take some baggage, sometimes they found their new baggage.
inner basin
That’s true. We’re really just going off assumptions for this.
terse lava
accurate enough
fair hazel
Not really a great idea.
inner basin
It’s all we really have got to go on though
fair hazel
since you tend to form misconceptions if you go too much by assumptions
terse lava
true
fair hazel
Like imagine this
inner basin
I am aware of that, but we have nothing concrete, so why not? It causes no harm
versed helm
We are using name and original colonists to get the country.
fair hazel
I just went on random country generator
versed helm
But I agree, that it could.mislead
fair hazel
gave me libya.
People talk, people assume, say they assume uh, Let's go with john-117
Let's say some people assume and say, we're going with what we have [which isn't really much],
and they assume and have this misconception that john's ancestors are from the united states, but then one day it's revealed that a bunch of settlers are from libya, and john can be traced too. Then people will be like, but that breaks canon! and so on, when no. IT's just people assumed something.
versed helm
That's on the people, we are referencing our sources and are clearly mentioning that this is an assumption tho.
But I see what you mean
And agree that someone could intepret this as fact and go spout nonsense
fair hazel
Sometimes you can get a bit of a clue from a last name, or certain stuff but, better to just keep it as some, this is all we have.
And not go too far.
inner basin
We are just doing a bit of speculation, not stating what we get as fact or proclaiming that
fair hazel
One must be careful.
versed helm
We are
fair hazel
But you know something we don't have to be very careful about?
inner basin
I try to be very careful because I love the lore, and try to keep facts from speculation and theory
versed helm
We sidnt find anything for Emile, so we are just leaving it as blank.
inner basin
Still waiting for an Irish character though
versed helm
No indian characters yet
inner basin
I did gather that with the singling out of Lian
fair hazel
And not only canadian, it is stated french-canadian. as a bonus so
versed helm
We just have a bunch of nukes named after our gods
fair hazel
[her father]
inner basin
Isn’t Malcolm Geffen from the United Kingdom?
Yeah, found it on Halopedia. Wolverhampton to be exact
I guess that’s close enough to home for now
fair hazel
It is interesting how we like our characters based on certain ancestry stuff. Like me, my canadian character! You, you want a scottish one
although on that, some people in the colonies would maintain sort of ancestry to earth
others, would really want to sever from it
so let's use libya again as an example. Say on colony Unyshek [name of our fictonal colony], they'd be like, yeah most of us are from libya and we identify with the cutlure and traditions and nation].
But on Colony Postums, they'd be like, no we're postumers, [even if a lot of the colonists came from libya], and they form their own thing and reject earth and libya.
So that's something to consider too.
inner basin
That’s reminiscent of the Outer Colonies, particularly the Innies ideals
fair hazel
You know the way grant sounds?
her accent? Arcadian it seems, if we go by what the police officers on arcadia and so on sound like too
she's arcadian. I mean the accent is likely an arcadian accent
feral perch
It’s Irish
inner basin
Yeah. I catch your drift erick. It’s like how people say from the Middle Eastern Countries move to other countries. They will still maintain some of their practices and part of their accent from their country of origin, but it’s not the exact same and it differs. Take that pattern and put it on the colonisation of other planets
fair hazel
feral perch
The Irish accent is so cheesy because of the stereotype of Irish cops
inner basin
That does sound kinda Irish tbf. I can confirm that because I do live in Northern Ireland and go to Ireland all the time
fair hazel
usually the accents of voice actors do have to come from somewhere
inner basin
Well yeah that is understandable. It’s also very difficult to conceal an Irish accent of all things
fair hazel
aaaand
remember in reach, when jorge and sara spoke hungarian?
accents in hungarian indicating different parts of reach
inner basin
Sapron was one was it not? Probably spelt wrong
Then there’s also at least a battalion of the ODSTs who speak Hungarian like the one Tarkov is part of (in the “We are ODST” trailer)
keen canopy
Emile is canonically a person of colour btw, his face is shown in Halsey's lab, easily seen in the cutscene at the end of The Package.
inner basin
Oh yeah I forgot that’s where the concept art that was originally made appeared at
I mean Jun looks a little different there but it was concept art originally
noble fjord
Autumn got hit hard at Arcadia
inner basin
It did. But it wasn’t captained by Keyes at that time. Idk who it was
versed helm
That's concept art, don't assume things
keen canopy
It's concept art that appears in universe @versed helm
Making it no longer just concept art
inner basin
No but the art was put into the final game. It’s a bit off with Jun, but could have been him earlier in life
versed helm
But it isn't confirmed so it an assumption
keen canopy
It's clearly a drawing and not photorealistic
inner basin
But I don’t think it’s confirmed. He’s right on that front
keen canopy
Nah
inner basin
I mean Halsey’s Lab was an EE was it not?
keen canopy
Way too much of a stretch for an ONI artist or whatever to get someone's skin colour wrong
Not in the cutscene @inner basin
inner basin
You can barely see it in the cutscene though
keen canopy
You can quite clearly see it
versed helm
It also has a reference to RvB in that room
keen canopy
That can't be seen in the cutscene @versed helm
versed helm
True
keen canopy
And Noble team exist in universe
inner basin
But we don’t know what two of them look like
versed helm
I still find it hard to believe that an Easter Egg means a face is confirmed
noble fjord
Out of curiosity since we mentioned Arcadia.
What ships were Spartan teams Red and Omega tied to and how is it Red team could just go with Spirit without a word
keen canopy
...it's not an easter egg
That's canonically halseys lab
Halsey canonically had pictures of noble team there
She did not canonically have a RvB etc shoutout there. I hope you can tell the difference between these two kinds of things.
inner basin
Agent Zombie, I don’t think Team Omega and Red Team were tied to a ship per say, they were tasked with Ground Defence. Red Team was probably given permission to reassign themselves to the SoF as they saw fit to do so
keen canopy
We have some info about Omega, it was a response team that could be instantly deployed to any colony under attack
versed helm
It still is concept art, it could have changed later on.
inner basin
Maybe we should end this argument with an agree to disagree??
versed helm
Yes
noble fjord
Also I wonder what Armstrong, Texas, Belfast, and Pillar of Autumn were doing at Arcadia.
Considering they were there before the Covenant.
rigid current
Probably refits and repairs?
refueling
Probably heading somewhere else and got stuck there and were forced to defend it when the Covenant showed up
keen canopy
His VA is a POC, bungie envisioned him as such, and he has an in-universe depiction as such. Since we don't have a single piece of evidence to the contrary, it's perfectly fine to surmise that as the Halo universe exists right now, that's Emile's appearance.
@rigid current something like that for sure, though perhaps all significant colonies have a baseline naval garrison?
noble fjord
From what it sounds like in the cutscene
The Covenant weren't expecting a human presence
rigid current
Man, for a war of extermination
keen canopy
Indeed, as with many human colonies, the Covenant most likely found it via luminaries, and went there for the Forerunner ruins.
rigid current
the Covenant were sorely unprepared for alot of human encounters
noble fjord
Like I respect the UNSC vessels but the fact that the Covenant attacked with 2 ships and the only reason they lost 1 was because the shields were down...
They were definitely not expecting the UNSC
They also took 2 down and put 1 out of the fight
rigid current
I want a lore accurate Halo game
Where plasma weapons essentially have infinite ammo
and are cutting marines in half
noble fjord
That's generous
rigid current
Wh
gaunt oakBOT
rigid current
It's Halo... why is there a censor for a Halo discord
humble yacht
Please don’t bypass
rigid current
:/
gilded mason
When's it going away, Chimera?
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rigid current
ANYWAY
gilded mason
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
aaaaa
noble fjord
That filter is more an inconvenience than it is useful
noble fjord
It's disgusting how many Halo terms are banned by that filter
rigid current
Are you kidding me
gilded mason
And Halo vehicles
gilded mason
The Reach flying machine, and the purple Covenant splatterer
rigid current
I like how in Halo, plasma weapons can seriously damage someone
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
Yep
terse lava
no, pretty sure it's indeed plasma most of the time with them
terse lava
i can live with that
keen canopy
Intro of TFoR has Chief casually let needles bounce off his mark IV
Then get spooked by a plasma pistol bolt and make sure he dodges it, hearing the air crackle as it passes him
terse lava
why would needles be threatening?
humble yacht
Blamite?
terse lava
-facepalm-
keen canopy
Indeed, though we know they do damage shields in lore
terse lava
should have known he met that
humble yacht
Good ol subanese explody crystals
terse lava
come to think of it actually, can blamite actually pierce the armor?
keen canopy
And we know Needle rifle rounds can pierce weak areas of Mjolnir from the optimal angles
terse lava
from the needle rifle I can see, but the needler itself
rigid current
So do Spikers function the same way needlers do? Some unknown substance
or is it something else?
noble fjord
Can we all just admire how lucky Autumn is to have walked out of a fight against a capital ship and lived? Considering Texas and Belfast didn't have the same luck.
gilded mason
Dang it
humble yacht
No I don’t think spikers use unknown elements
keen canopy
It's not luck
humble yacht
Just looks like superheated metal spikes
gilded mason
come to think of it actually, can blamite actually pierce the armor?```
It's how Spartan Girl D died.The autumn's honeycomb structure allows it to function well even heavily damaged @noble fjord
noble fjord
Autumn is a flying fortress yes
terse lava
@gilded mason Ah, thought it pierced a thinner part of the suit, not the armor itself
inner basin
Did an unknown Spartan-II not die as well to a Needler?
terse lava
in Halo battles 1 yes
noble fjord
Blamite is clearly op
rigid current
Are you jsut coming up with different names for a character or is the Spartan-II actually unknown?
gilded mason
Ah, thought it pierced a thinner part of the suit, not the armor itself
Nah, got her in her breastplate
inner basin
@rigid current Actually unknown. It’s probable that it’s Joseph-122, but can’t say for sure
noble fjord
Are you joking?
inner basin
Who are you asking that to, Zombie?
noble fjord
Why are UNSC aircraft inconsistent?
Outside of Pelicanss and Longswords
The Hornet, Nightingale, Broadsword, and Sabre are gone after 1 game
inner basin
If me, then no, I am not
noble fjord
No it's not that
I posted the question above but because of the filter the name of the Air Vehicle in reach used by the UNSC is banned
inner basin
UH-144 is acceptable
noble fjord
True
inner basin
But yeah I didn’t pick up on it at first
inner basin
Yeah fair enough, that inconsistency is upsetting. I mean for the Sabre I understand, the launch facility on Reach was lost, and we know very little about the program about it, that Noble Six was coincidentally apart of
humble yacht
Like single mission niche
inner basin
The Sparrowhawk is one I do want to see and use in an FPS game.
noble fjord
Mhm
inner basin
Oh I forgot about the Skyhawk too
stoic hamlet
Because gameplay. In lore they were there.
noble fjord
Halo War is the only one where the vehicles are consistent mostly
keen canopy
That Grim quote needs to be pinned here aye Eternal
inner basin
What’s the Grim quote?
stoic hamlet
Lots needs to be pinned here, lol
inner basin
Is it due to vehicles being there, but not in game or something?
gilded mason
Lots needs to be pinned here, lol
Like me saying "Neural physics"
noble fjord
I mean the Hawk Disappears without a trace but we get the horrific looking Condor Gunship...
Which I'm 90% sure the Covenant would have no issue taking apart
inner basin
It’s actually very strong
stoic hamlet
Again, gameplay
inner basin
And has a lot of armaments too
noble fjord
It's got a disgusting amount of guns
inner basin
Well it is a gunship
noble fjord
Still would rather build Grizzlies than a Condor
inner basin
Grizzlies are slower and stuck on the ground though. What if you need a heavily armoured air support?
noble fjord
Vultures?
inner basin
They’re too slow
noble fjord
And the ridiculous missile they carry
inner basin
I’d beg that they’re even more of an easier target than a Condor
noble fjord
They are but they're also not an economic nightmare
inner basin
Well they would if they kept getting shot down
noble fjord
I'd say both considering Spirit of Fire is probably not carrying much for resources
Granted theyre probably salvaging what they can from the ground
inner basin
They scavenged resources from the UNSC research base did they not. At least for Mjolnir but I’d imagine there was more there at the Ark for them
noble fjord
So is it confirmed that Red Team has modified Mk IV armor?