lore-and-universe

[versed helm]

it was considered a failure because not enough canidates were found

but we know of 3 who were a part of class 2

one full spartan

one washout

and one girl who was targeted, whos father killed all the oni handlers that tried to kidnap her

they would have been 17 years old when Reach fell in 52

so current theory is that it was done without halsey's oversight, which makes sense.

because in class 1 there were 0 casualties to augmenttions, some washouts and some disabled due to augmentations, but no deaths.

in class 2 there were confirmed casualties

halsey- despite being a literal war criminal, genuinely did care about the kids' wellbeing. however its implied that ONI section 2 commander Standish was involved in class 2- a man known for making his political enemies disappear without oversight.

also fun fact about I Love Bees

Melissa would probably still be alive in 2558 👀

she was 3 in 2552

and not under naval control

and 2 years she could survive, especially if the theory of her donor having DID is true

if she did... god i hope she comes back.

with the whole thing with the created

sorry I love bees is kinda just my favorite story of all time in anything so i kinda get fangirly about the idea of any of the characters coming back, especially Melissa and Jan

[obsidian thistle]

Actually Melissa would be close or actually 7 in 2552.

[versed helm]

ehh?

[obsidian thistle]

Yea

[versed helm]

jan was 17 in 52

yasmine died at 14, they were born same year

[obsidian thistle]

Jersey: But, if they took Yasmine when she was 6, then 8 years of Spartan training, Kamal's 18, she dies... how old is Kamal?
Durga: 25.

[versed helm]

OH okay nvm

kill me

;;

[obsidian thistle]

Had to tell you

https://www.halopedia.org/File:Had_to_tell_you.ogg

[versed helm]

halo lore is a complex and beautiful thing

Rip one of the good reps of DID in media

[obsidian thistle]

(Cant wait till we at Halopedia fix up all the ILBs file names)

[versed helm]

and a lot more stuff

[obsidian thistle]

Hey gotta record a lotta stuff atm xD Saving records before a Waypoint Rehaul is no easy task lol

[versed helm]

ehh ill still hold out for Jan

shes like... 23 now?

wonder where she is

[obsidian thistle]

Well all the characters are in canon purgatory. xD Very lil advancements of the core cast. Though some cool advances in the tech and so on.

[versed helm]

i Knoooooow

[obsidian thistle]

SPDR in that 1 Halo Infinite trailer anyone 😉

[versed helm]

I KNOW I SAW

I WAS SO EXCITED

i mean even just like a small refrence

like if a Doctor's name was Kamal or something

Jan as a spartan 4

a girl can dream

Maybe jersey followed sully and sold out

or has followed his calling of stealing government secrets by delivering Pizzas to the boston ONI office for a living

[carmine sleet]

I feel like ONI would want them delivering pizza at the HQ in Sydney

[versed helm]

Tru

I still always find it weird that I Love Bees takes place mostly in Boston

probably because I live near Boston tho

[carmine sleet]

Aye, understandable

[versed helm]

and the description of Jan's Hometown sounds like eerily similar to where I live

so yeah thts probably it

[versed helm]

oh heck

cant use the word r-o-u-g-e

SEEEE???

[carmine sleet]

Blame people trying to spoil a big film that came out nine days ago

[versed helm]

GOSHDARN NITWITS

[stoic hamlet]

You spelled the word wrong

Oh

Huh

Wow

[versed helm]

did i???

[stoic hamlet]

They even got the misspelling, lol

[versed helm]

EH?

i have to

[stoic hamlet]

I’m assuming you aren’t referring to the colour in French

[versed helm]

thats how you trick the censor board

[stoic hamlet]

But it filters that as well

[versed helm]

not if you spell it wrong

rouggge

see?

wait...

aw nuts

either way, no, I wasnt referring to anything french

[spiral jewel]

While unlike, I wonder if there is a member of the Covenant that While humanoid, Biologically speaking the species is in the Arachnida class

[versed helm]

Why is New Mombasa called New Mombasa?

cause the old mombasa wasn't mombasa enough

Would you live in New Mombasa after the war?

no

its glassed

dont fancy living on a giant mirror

i'd have to see my ugly a-r-se every day

I'd probably live there,probably to help in the reconstruction

So how would we free Earth from Cortana's control?

[gilded mason]

Ask really nicely.

[versed helm]

there's a dirty halo joke to be made here

chief says this: if you don't free the planet, your lower tasks won't get managed

Tbh,i wonder what it's like on a Earth under Cortana's rule

the AIs have the Mantle

so....I dont think it'll be that good

[unique rune]

I mean.
They don't really "have" the Mantle.

It's not really a thing that anyone can possess. It's an ideology. It's not an inherently harmful thing, but the way that it is interpreted and enforced causes problems.

Are we talking games or auxiliary media?

Oh, that's easy.
Bungie just didn't wanna write an actual character.

[gilded mason]

Bungie wanted him to be a player-insert.

As we said

[unique rune]

"Bungie doesn't care about additional lore" is kind of a recurring theme here

[gilded mason]

Well, Halo 4 was good about it.

[deep pewter]

I loved Silent Storm just for that guilt ridden John

[unique rune]

He was pretty emotive in 4.
5... 5 in general was kind of a mess for every character.

[versed helm]

Speaking of John,when the time comes,will he actually destroy Cortana?

[gilded mason]

I should hope so.

[unique rune]

I certainly hope he does.

[versed helm]

Same

[gilded mason]

Otherwise I'd lose quite a bit of "respect" for his character.

[unique rune]

This whole Reclaimer Saga thing is supposed to be expanding on Chief as an individual. We got some of it in 4, 5 was a whole bunch of nothing, so whatever comes next...

[deep pewter]

John was good in 5 too

[gilded mason]

The less Spartans, the better.

[versed helm]

Given all of the people she has killed,i think that at this point,John would have no qualms about killing Cortana

[deep pewter]

I hope we’ll see a more interconnected world again, the games being so sparse in terms of other characters was always jarring

[unique rune]

If any other Spartans end up relevant to the plot of Infinite I wouldn't mind them appearing, but yeah, I don't think I want a repeat of Reach or 5 where we've got too many characters with not enough time for them to go anywhere meaningful.

[deep pewter]

Thel only cares about Sanghelios

[gilded mason]

I hope we’ll see a more interconnected world again, the games being so sparse in terms of other characters was always jarring
343 has talked about swim-lanes, where games only stay relevant to games, and books only stay relevant to books.

[deep pewter]

Which is disappointing

[gilded mason]

Thel only cares about Sanghelios
Not really

[versed helm]

Would Sanghelios be a good place to hide from the Created?

[deep pewter]

He could, but would John need to go to Elite controlled space?

[gilded mason]

At the very least, he cares about all places that have Sangheili on them. (No idea about places that have other SoS races, but I assume he would for them as well since he's not a creep.)

[versed helm]

So the Infinity or Rossbach's World?

Maybe Venezia

[deep pewter]

Do we even know if the Infinity is still a thing?

[gilded mason]

I imagine that has a Guardian too

[versed helm]

Did she even sent a Guardian to Venezia?

[gilded mason]

Do we even know if the Infinity is still a thing?```
By 2561? No clue

Did she even sent a Guardian to Venezia?

Why wouldn't she?

[versed helm]

I'll hide out on Venezia even though it is a lawless world

[gilded mason]

Like, a place like Venezia would definitely be on her Guardian list.

[deep pewter]

Even if it’s not it’s not like she can’t send them around the galaxy in a matter of minutes

[gilded mason]

During what year?

2561? Unknown

[versed helm]

Speaking of Jun,does anyone else besides me notice how he kind of looks like Lex Luthor?

[gilded mason]

he was captured by the created
wut

Ah, found it

“He reports business as usual. When asked about Jun, though, he claims the man is indisposed.”

“So Leonidas has been compromised.”

“That seems like a fair assessment,” Veronica said.```

[versed helm]

How many A.Is joined Cortana?

Thus far

[gilded mason]

Also, later on in the book, Buck was able to save Jun from Leonidas. So he is no longer captured

Seems like a good bet

[versed helm]

When was Venezia colonized?

[random cradle]

Yea he’s the only surviving member of noble team

[gilded mason]

When was Venezia colonized?
Don't believe it was said

[deep pewter]

Being cool

He’s in the whole novel

Bit of a mentor for John

[versed helm]

How old would Johnson be right now had he lived?

[deep pewter]

One of the bigger points is the effect Sams death had on John

[versed helm]

Sucks that he died

At least imho

[deep pewter]

Dude survived the whole war, he deserves to rest

[versed helm]

True

It makes me wonder,how will John die?

[gilded mason]

He chokes on a bagel.

[deep pewter]

Trips and falls on an active energy sword

[gilded mason]

The fight between insects and other animals on who gets to eat more of his corpse.

[inner basin]

Not a big fan of that idea, but we also don’t know if GEN3 will have that feature. For previous iterations of powered armour before the Mk. IV (and maybe Mk. IV itself) had that feature to deny (at the time) Insurrectionists from getting their hands on it

[versed helm]

It will end with the Chief relaxing on a beach, he deserves that much

no, it ends with him punching halsey

[inner basin]

I’d prefer Chief to just go into hiding, in some underground bunker, allowing for a potential sequel

[carmine sleet]

Why would Chief punch Halsey?

[inner basin]

^?

[versed helm]

because.

halsey did bad stuff everywhere

[carmine sleet]

Ok, but that isn't a reason for Chief to punch Halsey

[inner basin]

But Chief doesn’t look at it that way, he sees her as making the S-IIs into much more than what they were

[versed helm]

she disagrees to fix cortana

[stoic hamlet]

Apparently she can tank a Spartan punch.

[carmine sleet]

And she didn't do bad stuff everywhere. She did bad stuff on Reach

[versed helm]

saying she can't be fixed

[stoic hamlet]

And arguably during the battle for Earth

[versed helm]

too rampant

look, halsey did bad stuff

she kidnapped linda

while she was in cryo

[inner basin]

Darn filter

[versed helm]

yeah

[stoic hamlet]

You’re thinking of the other female Spartan @versed helm

[carmine sleet]

She kidnapped 087, not Linda

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah

[versed helm]

DARN IT

[inner basin]

That’s what I said Slipstream

[stoic hamlet]

This filter is the most aggravating thing....

[versed helm]

ikr

[inner basin]

But the filter caught it

[carmine sleet]

And who is it who said that Cortana can be fixed?

[versed helm]

cant take the fastest spartan's name

[inner basin]

Why is that K name filtered?

[stoic hamlet]

I don’t think she can be

[versed helm]

technically, she can

[stoic hamlet]

It’s an actress’s name @inner basin

[versed helm]

the brain imprint needs to be renewed

[stoic hamlet]

She can’t be

Not by human means

[versed helm]

but in most cases, its the brain of a dead person, so cant get a copy

but halsey has brain clones

[stoic hamlet]

Had clones

She doesn’t have them now

[versed helm]

its halsey

[inner basin]

Chief was speculating about Cortana being fixed, no one explicitly said she can be fixed, if that’s what you’re getting confused on

[versed helm]

she has brain clones in some bunker somewhere

technically, the rampancy gets fixed when she enters the domain

[carmine sleet]

Halsey doesn't have a secret bunker filled with brains

Even if she did, she wouldn't have been allowed to go to it in the post war era

[versed helm]

serin might let her

cause oni would gladly get cortana back

[carmine sleet]

Where is it that said she has this bunker that you claim Halsey has?

[versed helm]

idk

[inner basin]

I thought that when Cortana entered the domain it only paused her rampancy onset, not curing it

[versed helm]

its an assumption based on halsey being halsey

[carmine sleet]

I mean, it technically isn't Cortana

Tip, Forthencho, best not to assume someone has a secret bunker

[versed helm]

mhm

i still think she does

[deep pewter]

Didn’t Cortana say she was cured?

[versed helm]

she had a mini AI and everything

[inner basin]

Why would she though (have a bunker that is)? She’s a civilian female scientist

[carmine sleet]

Cortana saying she was cured was because she thinks she is when she isn't. The Cortana in Halo 5 is made from rampant fragments

[versed helm]

you forget that she had as much power as cole or hood during the war

[carmine sleet]

Not really

[versed helm]

all major ops included her

since they all included spartans

[inner basin]

Nope. She could’ve been easily thrown into the brig

[deep pewter]

I realize she’s stitched together fragments, but do we have anything to say she still suffers from that rampancy?

[versed helm]

but they don't risk it

in mortal dictata

they dont brig her, per say

but put her to work on something

in the infinity

[carmine sleet]

Halsey was part of most ops involving the S-IIs because she was the expert on the Spartan IIs and their needs

[inner basin]

I thought I read it somewhere that her rampancy isn’t cured, but paused (don’t know if it’s temporary or permanent) @deep pewter

[versed helm]

because of that, she was given a heckload of priority

[deep pewter]

It’s then thinking themselves to death, basically. You could look at a cure as an eternal pause I guess

[inner basin]

@versed helm I’m talking about she could’ve been thrown in the brig for interfering with Team Noble’s deployment during the Winter Contingency on Reach

[versed helm]

ohhhhh

i thought you meant in general

my bad

[inner basin]

Well she could’ve been thrown in the brig in general as she is still a civilian who is a scientist, and although she works for ONI, it doesn’t mean she has high authority

[versed helm]

her authority was given by pangrosky

but she puts halsey in a kind of brig on the infinity

like, keeping her under constant watch, and such

[inner basin]

No I’m saying she doesn’t have HIGH Authority

[versed helm]

she had cole level authority

[inner basin]

She didn’t. Cole was a Naval Officer, reaching Rear Admiral I believe, but I’ll need to double check, whereas Halsey’s level of authority was civilian. How many times do I need to say this?

Okay Cole’s level was actually Vice Admiral

[versed helm]

............fine, fine

[mellow flame]

Whats the source of light on every halo installation?

[carmine sleet]

Normally a large ball of superheated plasma, similar to what our planet orbits, also known as the sun

[mellow flame]

Where is this ball of plasma located? Center of the ring?

[carmine sleet]

No

[versed helm]

orbits the ring, i think

[carmine sleet]

In the centre of the solar system the Halo is in

You wouldn't be able to get the ball of superheated plasma to orbit the Halo, it would be way too big for it to orbit something as small as a Halo, relatively speaking

[versed helm]

this is the small halos, right?

not the old big ones?

[mellow flame]

So next to every halo is a natural light source? I only ask, because if a Halo isn't next to a light source it would be entirely dark. I'm trying to create a skybox.

[carmine sleet]

Halos are big regardless, but not as big as the superhead plasma ball that is in the centre of every solar system

[versed helm]

yeah, halos recieve like any planet

[carmine sleet]

(Think about what's in the centre of our solar system)

(Every Halo has one of those they in the orbit of, directly or indirectly)

[versed helm]

or it was just the halos

it doesnt matter

both kinds orbited a sun

[mellow flame]

@carmine sleet Yes, a sun. But between every sun is darkness. The majority of space is without light (so the odds of every halo being within range of light is unlikely). That's why I asked.

That's why I assumed every installation had it's own light source (dedicated to the installation specifically), but from what you say it sounds like the installations were sent out to areas with already existing light.

[carmine sleet]

You do realise light travels, right?

Like, we can see distant suns at night because of the light they give off

And many of these suns have planets orbiting them

Halos are put in different solar systems where their pulse they give off when fired will overlap to ensure that they can sterilise the galaxy if the array is activated

[glacial dock]

What are some of the must read halo novels? I just finished "The Fall of Reach" and wanted to see if there are any other novels as good as that

[gilded mason]

I guess you could continue that line with The Flood, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx.

And then there are other great books like Broken Circle, Shadow of Intent, Last Light, Silent Storm, Oblivion, and Evolutions

[mellow flame]

@carmine sleet If you placed an installation between suns it would be 100% dark. We can see the light source (the sun), but the light isn't strong enough to illuminate anything at our distance. If distant suns were capable of illuminating distant objects, then we wouldn't have "night time" on earth.

[carmine sleet]

Did you not see the part where I said the Halos are within Solar Systems

[mellow flame]

Yes, that's why I said "from what you say it sounds like the installations were sent out to areas with already existing light". I was accepting your answer. I was under the assumption that an installation was entirely independent (has it's own light source) and could exist anywhere in space.

This is purely for the sake of an accurate skybox I'm creating, I just needed to know where a light source would come from on an installation.

[carmine sleet]

A sun in the centre of a solar system, like I said

[mellow flame]

"the light source comes from a sun", that's all i needed.

[carmine sleet]

I said that multiple times

[versed helm]

So,what race crash landed on Alpha Halo?

I get the feeling that it will never get answered

[carmine sleet]

It's unknown who crashed on 01 during the terminals

[keen canopy]

It was just included as a way to show Guilty Spark's commitment to protocol

And how that conflicted with his loneliness

Eventually driving him rampant

[versed helm]

Who or what lives outside of the Orion Arm?

It makes me feel even more sorry for that floating lightbulb

All he wanted was someone to talk to

[versed helm]

and he ended up messing up so much stuff to fill in that hole

he tried to destroy humanity twice

kill chief twice

took over a ship

laserd a few people

and was very annoying

even though he is chakas

[hollow meadow]

You can say he was a Chakas.

Am I right? Anyone? High Five? 😅

[terse lava]

we know other non-covenant races are out there

one attacked a pre-covenant sangheili vessel, random aliens crashed on alpha halo, and frankie commented others were out there, but his answer seemed to imply they may be tier 7

as for the light debate, only the lesser ark, greater ark, and the interior of some shield worlds had their own dedicated light. Lesser ark had a device orbiting it to mimic a sun, the greater ark had massive plasma tubes on each petal to simulate day/night, and Onyx had a full sun, and other shield worlds had mini suns

D?

the didact?

oh

context?

which legends short were they in

oh, wait

..huh

the flower girl?

[carmine sleet]

The Spartan in red CQC armour

[terse lava]

yea her

[carmine sleet]

They were the only Spartan in that short because she was the focus of the short

[terse lava]

well likely not much, trained, escaped, found her clone, was returned, graduated, and died on harvest

[carmine sleet]

Well, Ralph also appeared as well

[terse lava]

wasn't ralph the one dressed as a marine that was vaporized by a fuel rod blast hitting the bird?

of course

was first contact and war was going on, the best would be sent

[carmine sleet]

Ralph was a marine because he was a washout and he eventually joined the marine corp because he felt like he should

[terse lava]

ah

thought it was he did everything, minus the armor, and left

but yea, a washout

wait, there was another one

who fled with flower girl

didn't he find his clone, and kill hm?

think only flower girl did

the other I am pretty sure went nuts

[carmine sleet]

Ralph did go through the augmentation process but he was discharged due to physiological reasons

So I was incorrect in calling him a washout but he did leave

[gilded mason]

and died on harvest
Was not confirmed to be Harvest

[terse lava]

quite certain it was harvest

they were still teens

[gilded mason]

https://twitter.com/GrimBrotherOne/status/1038898982880047104?s=19

[terse lava]

well

I have learned something new

[gilded mason]

👍

[terse lava]

wait, then a question

how old was she

assumed she was a teen all these years due to thinking it was harvest

[gilded mason]

Unknown when she died

[terse lava]

hm

come to think of it, with halo legends, was there a reason stated on why the Covenant were on an ancient human world?

[timber vapor]

What do you think would have happened if the Precursors didn't turn into the flood

[versed helm]

I'm surprised that we never see Heian again

[versed helm]

Why would the Precursors turn themselves into the flood?

[stoic hamlet]

They didn’t intend to.

But when it happened they kinda just went with it.

[inner basin]

Essentially their powder (I think it was the form they took) corrupted with the addition of time. Then, like Eternal said, they went with it

[gilded mason]

"Golly, suffering is awesome! Everyone should get in on this."

[inner basin]

We don’t know what happened to the other Precursors (who weren’t killed by the Forerunners) except the Primordial

[keen canopy]

We do kinda

[inner basin]

We do?

[keen canopy]

They "Sunk to unfathomable depths"

[gilded mason]

So what's that mean?

[keen canopy]

Or was it "unreachable" I can't remember.

[inner basin]

I second Ostral’s question

[keen canopy]

Yea nah it's pretty intentionally vague

Pretty sure 343 just wanted to address any speculation that they might return

But in a way that's still mysterious and implies some are out there somewhere

[inner basin]

It can be interpreted in many ways. But it really is second to baseless speculation so there isn’t much point. I think it’s to keep their options open in the future

[keen canopy]

By the modern times, any remaining Precursors have "sunk to unreachable depths".[8]

Halo Warfleet p92

[inner basin]

That could again be interpreted in many ways

But if I had to hazard a guess, I’d say it’s that they have essentially gone way underground where they can’t be found

Probably outside our galaxy too at this point

[keen canopy]

Indeed, even could be in other dimensions.

Ultimately, they're gone and we won't be finding any

[inner basin]

Which is a shame honestly

[terse lava]

well really, what could they bring to the plot?

would think it would just be similar to chief meeting the librarian

[inner basin]

Meh, you got a point

[keen canopy]

We already got the all the Primordial encounters and interactions which were amazing

[terse lava]

yea, meeting a demi-god like being is usually better with a novel rather then a limited video game

Look at other books such as the Culture, can't mimic the stuff they talk about there properly in a game

Think the best we will get will be maybe the Primordial/gravemind at some point being confronted by any remaining precursors who will punish it

[versed helm]

I just wanna meet more alien races outside of the ones we already have

[terse lava]

fair enough

[gilded mason]

More aliens like Yonhet, you say? Certainly!

[terse lava]

bungie did have many ideas for other covenant races that never made it in game, could use them as new aliens

the bugs who cut up bodies to be a fancy way to allow bodies to poof, a small hunter-like being with a gun turret in the torso

[inner basin]

Let’s not also forget those collectively known as the Meddlers. Would be interesting to come across a species other than the Covie species who fall under that bracket

[versed helm]

What planet serves as the Sharquoi home world?

[gilded mason]

My issue is that things could become a "as wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle" scenario

[terse lava]

true, guilty did mention previous races checking out halo and then leaving

[keen canopy]

Still not convinced the meddlers are a thing

[terse lava]

they are

guilty mentions them in the halo 2 converstaions from the universe

[keen canopy]

And not just a generic word for any species

[versed helm]

There's the race that attacked Crecka in the System of Miasmic Giants

[terse lava]

well, the wording implies it was multiples, no a single race

[keen canopy]

He calls Truth Covenant meddlers a bunch in Halo 3

[terse lava]

yes, it was his term for aliens pretty much

[inner basin]

There is speculation that they were responsible for the I-05 Flood outbreak

[terse lava]

in other words "These covenant guys will do what the other aliens did, check out the halo, then leave"

[keen canopy]

Nah we already have an explanation for that

[inner basin]

What’s the explanation for the I-05 Flood outbreak?

Please do enlighten me

[terse lava]

he monitor being horribly lazy

ignoring warnings from lower class ancilla of a flood containment breach

[inner basin]

But how did the Flood actually get out of containment?

[terse lava]

however, it was stated that the ancilla were not sure how the breach happened

[inner basin]

That’s where the Meddlers theory comes in to play

[terse lava]

not saying it's aliens, but it's likely aliens

[versed helm]

Speaking of 2401 Penitent Tangent,what happened to him after the events of Halo 2?

[terse lava]

horrible floody things most likely

[inner basin]

He probably ded

[terse lava]

fled you mean?

[inner basin]

Nope, ded

[keen canopy]

The Gravemind only kept him around to access the Ring's teleportation grid

[terse lava]

ah

[gilded mason]

He might be in High Charity.

[terse lava]

true

also possible

[keen canopy]

Once he left I05...

[terse lava]

actually speaking of which, was curious what people though of this theory I had

that the flood, and all the horror the primordial brought on the galaxy, was created by a precursor child

[versed helm]

I still wonder what became of 049 Abject Testament

[gilded mason]

that the flood, and all the horror the primordial brought on the galaxy, was created by a precursor child```
Expand on that?

[versed helm]

We never see him after that conversation with GS

[terse lava]

well

in the 2nd forerunner book, if memory serves, Chakas and co comment that the Primordial seems "child-like," playing a game

obviosuly heavily watered down, as I would have to find the quote, and lack the book

[gilded mason]

I'll go see if I can find it

[terse lava]

but it seemed to imply, by precursor lives, that the Primordial was a child

or at least very young

[inner basin]

@versed helm He probably went into hiding or shut down as he believes the Forerunners and everything they brought/made should be forgotten. First message got caught in the filter

[versed helm]

I still wonder,why was Path Kethona devoid of life,except that planet with the ancient Forerunners

[terse lava]

likely only life there was precursor

forerunner warriors wiped the place clean

[versed helm]

hello

[terse lava]

greetings

[random cradle]

Welcome

[versed helm]

what r u talking about

[terse lava]

forerunner and precursor things atm

[random cradle]

We mostly talk about the books here and discuss and fill people in on any question they have about. He expanded universe

[versed helm]

ok

[random cradle]

You new to the halo games

[versed helm]

What ever happened to that girl that Jorge was talking to in Hungarian?

kind of

[gilded mason]

@terse lava
I see mentions of a child in the book, but without reading the rest of the book for context, everything reads pretty vague-like.

[random cradle]

@versed helm Same have you read any of the books don’t be embarrassed if you haven’t I haven’t read that many either but people like @gilded mason and @terse lava are experts

[gilded mason]

👍

[versed helm]

no not yet

[terse lava]

@gilded mason Yea, think I remember another comment about the activity on the ring being a child-like game, but that "These were big games"

huh, you honor me @random cradle

[random cradle]

@versed helm you should start with fall of reach and then read others as you want

[gilded mason]

perhaps it had all been stripped away from a planet, transported
here, and rearranged. Either way, this land and the ring itself was
like the toy of a great, spoiled child that can have anything it wants,
make anything it wants.```
This, Ado?

[versed helm]

ok

i was acually just about to buy on of the halo books

[terse lava]

maybe? Felt there was more context @gilded mason

[gilded mason]

Doesn't seem so from my skimming

[terse lava]

like, I believe it was a chick traveling with chakas, commented her geas was "guiding" her to the primordial

[gilded mason]

You have the book with you?

[terse lava]

and that the "voice" of the primordial seemed young

I sadly do not, otherwise would be searching it

it has been a few years since I have read it though

still, let's say the primoridal was a precursor child, would this change anyone's opinions on the flood/precursors?

[inner basin]

It would be quite odd, but not surprising. Halo is a weird and fascinating universe after all. Plus the UNSC did turn kids into soldiers...

[terse lava]

...actually that would make this even darker

precursor child soldier

[inner basin]

I mean that’s not what I was going for with my previous message, it was just a similar example, but okay... I guess

[terse lava]

sorry, was deep in my thought there, but yea from a series that does that, and far worse things, not a big shock

[inner basin]

I tend to go on a bit of a tangent when discussing Spartan-III lore so don’t sweat it

[terse lava]

that's what great about this place

[stoic hamlet]

Spartan III lore best lore

[random cradle]

@versed helm what book where you thinking about

Buying

[inner basin]

Eternal, I absolutely whole heartedly agree

[versed helm]

@random cradle i dont know but now you told me i should read the fall of reach

[terse lava]

@inner basin @stoic hamlet Covenant/sangheili lore is king 😛

[inner basin]

[X] Doubt 😛

[terse lava]

none here

[gilded mason]

Covenant/sangheili lore is king
👌 👌

[smoky flower]

I like the epic silver one

[terse lava]

Silver one?

[unique rune]

But isn't the Arbiter gold?
/s

[inner basin]

He’s probably referring to the Arbiter before he gets his Kaidon armour

[strong sage]

Anyone knows average salary of an odst operator?

[terse lava]

The payment would be the pride to serve

[inner basin]

Many of those in the 105th actually had a hell jumper tattoo. That should add to how proud they were to serve

[terse lava]

Yep, the tattoo was their payment

[inner basin]

I know this is more a grim tone, but many ODSTs were expected to die too, as many were sent on suicidal missions, so I assume the pay wouldn’t be that bad. We have no idea how much that would be though due to Halo being set 500 years in the future

[terse lava]

Let's face it, halo lore is grimdark-lite

[feral perch]

You're honestly right.

At least the first four novels.

But that's because Bungie didn't want any of the characters in the books to be important for the games, so the authors had to kill them off or put them in limbo

[terse lava]

Hey, did bungie ever say how they did the covenant language in reach

[gilded mason]

Don't think so.

[terse lava]

Had always heard that the language was a "proper" one that could be translated

[gilded mason]

Same

[terse lava]

Would be nice to finally know

[versed helm]

"wort wort wort" is just sgt johnson saying "go go go" but sped up, pitch changed, and put in reverse

[terse lava]

Well yea, that has not changed from combat evolved

[last anchor]

Most of the lines for the Sangheili in CE were reversed human lines.

[terse lava]

Yes

But met from reach

That's where I had heard bungie decide to make a full language

[last anchor]

It was the first time we heard them speaking anything new, yeah. I don't really remember the noises in 2 but the Grunts spoke English

[terse lava]

Everyone talked in english in halo 2, except one line from tartarus after Johnson warns him. Under bungie, only combat evolved and reach were bungie games where the normal covenant language was prevalent.

[versed helm]

I think Reach uses the same method as CE

as you can hear the old Wort Wort Wort in Sangheili lines as well

I think that's right

[gilded mason]

They could have simply made 'wort wort wort' part of the language's lexicon.

Oh yeah, this is the tweet I was trying to remember.
https://twitter.com/MartyTheElder/status/1076927216116617216

[terse lava]

We need a skull that gives either perma.camo or invincibility for this

To watch the behaviors to figure out what certain phrases do to surrounding covenant

[sharp adder]

But them people would use the skull to complete every mission

[last anchor]

Just make it so that putting it on nulls your score.

All you can do with it is get the achivement for completing it

Which you can get anyway, by doing it on Easy, which would be more ore less the same.

[gilded mason]

Bungie always had an interesting relationship with the non-game Halo stuff

[unique rune]

They didn’t like the idea of other people fiddling with their universe

Right
filter

[versed helm]

aye

[unique rune]

They weren’t happy with HW’s existence either if I remember correctly

[versed helm]

filter

bungie wasn't happy with a lot

the fan base wasn't either, but bungie was another level of pissed

[unique rune]

The Fall of Reach never would have been published if Bungie had their way with things

Also took quite a bit of convincing to get ODSTs into Halo 2

[versed helm]

Wait....I dont remember ODSTs in 2

when do they come in?

[gilded mason]

We fight with them on Delta Halo. And there's that Day at the Beach short

The chapter is literally called "Helljumper"

[terse lava]

and the dead one on cario station

really, when it came to world building, bungie sucked at it

[versed helm]

hold up

oh wait

bvm

Nvm

and yeah

bungie didnt do tha good

[gilded mason]

Halo 2 was good for world building, I feel.

[terse lava]

true, will give them that

other things though...ehh not so much

i will give halo 2 a pass though

but we would never have gotten books like mythos or warfleet under them

[versed helm]

or kilo five

[terse lava]

...that a good or bad thing?

[gilded mason]

It is definitely a bad thing.

...But a good thing if it was never made under Bungie

[terse lava]

heh, that's what i met

[gilded mason]

Yeah, had realized after my first line. 😋

[terse lava]

the worst part though

under bungie, we likely would never have gotten Broken Circle

[gilded mason]

True, true

[terse lava]

and the few other Covenant centered books

would always just be side plots to chief, like zuka

[versed helm]

that is true

[terse lava]

also, likely no nizat and tam

[versed helm]

343 spread out the haloverse quiet a bit

[terse lava]

indeed, i am thankful for that

[versed helm]

that is true

so is me

and a lot more people

and covies

and forerunners

[terse lava]

think faber's the only forerunner I have seen here

haven't seen any other forerunner-based people, or ancient human, even a grunt

[versed helm]

yip-yap the legend

ripa moramee

[keen canopy]

We had an ancient human in here the other day remember

[versed helm]

thel vadamee

DUDE

LE ME

FORTHENCHO

[keen canopy]

Boasting about how they totally beat the Flood

[versed helm]

DUH

and fyi, we LEGIT beat the flood

dont let them forerunner weebs tell you otherwise

[gilded mason]

[terse lava]

wait

ancient humans were allies with the hendonist san shyuum, so wouldn't they be the weebs?

[versed helm]

NO

The forerunners were

see, we were fighting on two fronts

but we recognized the flood as the greater threat

[terse lava]

oh, that's filtered too...

[versed helm]

and focused more on them

the forerunners took advantage and rekt us

but then they realized that we weren't giving them our full attention

and they got rekt by the flood

the didact acknowledges this in the forerunner saga

[terse lava]

I don't know, humanity's showing fighting the flood was kinda...subpar compared to the forerunners

[versed helm]

ohhhh, just cause we didnt have giant planet rings dont mean we fought subpar

[terse lava]

the flood jumped from system to system easily for centuries, where's forerunners kept the flood contained to 12 systems

no, before the halos

humans were losing for a long time, until that "cure" plan popped up. Forerunners kept the plague to a few systems for 300 years

[versed helm]

they had "banished the flood from the galaxy", i believe

but it came back as that weird pet thing

which the ancient humans kept

[terse lava]

came back? it started as that

[gilded mason]

Think you got things mixed up?

[versed helm]

.......

wait..............

see, the forerunners had banished the flood to outside the galaxy, right?

[gilded mason]

Humans and San'Shyuum found powder stored on derelict ships and saw their pets reacted well to it, this then became the Flood

[terse lava]

flood went from "dust-to pets-to humans eating pets- to everyone else"

[versed helm]

OOH

dang, i did get confused

but the magic powder was on derlict ships of which race?

[terse lava]

well being trapped in someone else for 110,000 some years will do that

[versed helm]

aye

[terse lava]

no known race

just automated vessels

[versed helm]

current human bodies SUCKETH

no known race...

could be precursor

[gaunt oak]

@twilit meadow has been auto muted.

[gilded mason]

Oh

[terse lava]

hm?

[gilded mason]

Welp, see him tomorrow

[terse lava]

well....dang

24 hours, right?

[gilded mason]

Yup

[terse lava]

hm

funny, was not even aware that counted as a bad word here

[versed helm]

helo

[terse lava]

greetings

[drowsy wind]

Any lore I might not know about the dead Spartans on Lone Wolf?

[autumn urchin]

what are those cubes inside the cruisers in new alexandria?

[versed helm]

texture cubes

they're a development tool used in game design

[keen canopy]

@drowsy wind they're likely members of Gauntlet, Red and Echo teams

S-III teams

[versed helm]

doubtful they were Red

[fleet wraith]

why would there even need to be a censorship bot here

arent all halo games m?

[keen canopy]

I'm not familiar with the details, just listed the S-III teams Carter mentioned were also on Reach

[versed helm]

no

[keen canopy]

@fleet wraith that's not a lore question :/ but it's because there are children here mostly.

[versed helm]

not all halo are M

and this server doesn't have to follow the same ratings as the games either, 343 wants the server family friendly, and so it shall be

[keen canopy]

^
Even if all the games are age restricted or whatever, discord as a platform isn't

[oak oar]

so i the what actually is the logic plague?

[versed helm]

Its some kind of technique used by the flood to convert an AI from its original purpose to whatever the flood wants it to do. It is a group of non-biological techniques and is basically the flood in computer form.

[oak oar]

Okay so the primordial used this on mendicant bias during the forunner-flood war right?

[versed helm]

Yes

[oak oar]

and he kinda got yeeted into some sand and thought about redemption for the entire of his time there

[versed helm]

He was broken into pieces by offensive bias

And pieces of him were sent for study, one of them crashed on the planets belonging to the San Shayuum, the prophets

Yes, after he realised his mistake and wanted to redeem himself, so when he found out that the Reclaimers are still alive he wanted to go help them access all forerunner artifacts left for them.

[oak oar]

are the reclaimers just anyone who can activate a halo?

[versed helm]

All humans are reclaimers

[true shadow]

the reclaimers are the human race.

[young gale]

Kinda a curious question but since Halsey was the one that made Cortana, is Cortana's voice based on her creator?

[versed helm]

Appearance is based on Halsey, not sure of voice tho

[true shadow]

i'd assume so since cortana is in essence an artificial clone of halsey

[young gale]

Ah.

[versed helm]

They are voiced by the same person in Halo 5, so probably yes

[true shadow]

the voices do sound very similar even in reach

[low condor]

Reclaimers are only humans. They are the species the Forerunners trusted with the Mantle of Responsibility, after they died when the Halo Array was activated.

Iirc the Prophets knew that humans were the Reclaimers

[keen canopy]

It would appear not all humans are actually Reclaimers.

[versed helm]

Not all, only the three High prophets

[low condor]

And that's why they wanted to wipe them

[oak oar]

On halo reach was cortana the one STORING the info or was she the info

[low condor]

Yup, you're right. Only the three higher Prophets.

Thanks

[versed helm]

Storing info, she had the coordinates to the Halo ring, Installation 04
And she was incredibly crucial as she was a very different AI.

[keen canopy]

@oak oar she was dtoring the info from the forerunner excavation site

[oak oar]

k cool

i always thought cortana was a forunner AI

[keen canopy]

It wasn't the coords, she already had that from Sigma octanus IV

[versed helm]

Hmmm, I think youre right

[keen canopy]

It was the nav data from the Forerunner vessel

[low condor]

@keen canopy But that's on Halo Reach. Didn't she originally found Alpha Halo's coordinates on some rock?

Oh, you just said that lol

[keen canopy]

Used to interpret said coordinates obtained from the artifact on SO IV yea

[low condor]

Didn't know that, thanks

[keen canopy]

@young gale Smart AIs require a human brain to be donated

Halsey created cortana using a flash clone of her own brain

Thats why they have a similr voice and personality

[low condor]

Wasn't that illegal?

[keen canopy]

Yes

Wait

No

[young gale]

I see

[low condor]

Maybe she'll do it again on Infinite

[keen canopy]

Flash clones of organs are cool

[low condor]

idk

[keen canopy]

Flash clones of entire humans are not not not cool

[low condor]

Ohhhh

Yeah

The whole Spartan II issue

[keen canopy]

But halsey did that with the clones cor the IIs

[carmine sleet]

Using a human brain to make an AI is legal, using flash cloning to make clones of people is illegal. Flash cloning organs is fine if it's for stuff like replacing damaged organs, so things like heart transplants and stuff like that

[oak oar]

can someone explain how the precursor privipals work?

like neural physics

dont remember the other 2

[keen canopy]

Haha

No one knows

That's kinda the point

[versed helm]

Its just space magic
We dont eve know what the precursors are exactly

[oak oar]

XD

[keen canopy]

They're beyond comprehension yeah

[oak oar]

5D beings and such

[keen canopy]

Our comprehension, even the Forerunners '

[oak oar]

the forunners tried to wipe them out cos humans were given the mantle of responsiblity right?

what is the mantle what does it do?

[keen canopy]

On the Halsey Cortana note, Halsey predicted Cortanas plan before anyone else found out about it

[versed helm]

There are multiple different statements by many people, no one really knows why the Forerunner-Precursor war took place

[keen canopy]

She points out to Locke that she did horrible things in the Spartan-II program... all for the greater good

[versed helm]

Wether the precursors tried to kill them first, or vice versa

[inner basin]

The Mantle is essentially having control over the entire galaxy @oak oar

[keen canopy]

Not control

Responsibility

[versed helm]

Not exactly, it means you have to protect all the beings in the galaxy

[keen canopy]

To nurture and protect

[inner basin]

It’s more or less control. Someone steps out of line and they are done-so

[versed helm]

Thats how the forerunners did it, its not the way

[inner basin]

Well that’s also the way Cortana is handling it

[keen canopy]

Both seized the mantle

By force

[oak oar]

is the mantle just a thing? does it actually do anything?

besides allow something over the galaxy

control or something like that

[keen canopy]

No it's a concept, aside from the Domain I guess

[oak oar]

whats the domain?

sorry not a huge lore nut

[keen canopy]

But anyone can access the Domain whrther they believe they are upholding the mantle or not

[inner basin]

The Domain is a galaxy-spanning Forerunner network

[keen canopy]

*Precursor

[oak oar]

precursor wifi

[versed helm]

More like precursor server network

[inner basin]

My bad, Precursor Network, inherited by the Forerunners after they slaughtered the Precursors

[keen canopy]

It's also sentient and has it's own agenda

Which is intense

[oak oar]

so its like a living server?

also if i was a precursor id use a principal along the lines of this:

since the universe was at one point nothing and everything was made of that nothing nothing is everything and vice verca alowwing control ovver nothing to have power over everything

basically omnipotence

[keen canopy]

The Precursors created all life in the galaxy

They were pretty good dudes

[inner basin]

They were essentially Gods

[oak oar]

the galaxy not the universe meaning that either they are intergalactic or soemthing more powerful is out there

probably the first one

[keen canopy]

The Forerunners killed the gods and then died to zombie gods

GOD HALO IS COOL

[oak oar]

did the forunners ever become intergalactic?

i sure as hell know the flood are

[inner basin]

That’s a very TL;DR summary, eezy

[oak oar]

so far weve only seen 2 forunners survive the halo

the librarian and the didact

[keen canopy]

She didn't survive

[oak oar]

how did we se her in halo 4?

[keen canopy]

In Halo 4 she lets you know it's just an echo of her being or something like that

Check Halopedia for the exact terminology

She dies in halo 3 terminals iirc

[inner basin]

The Didact also says “Even in death...” I don’t remember the line but that’s how it starts

[keen canopy]

Also there are many more Forerunners that have survived

[oak oar]

where?

[keen canopy]

That we have seen in media

[oak oar]

im not a huge lore fan so i dont know these things

im very basic when it comes to lore

[keen canopy]

I'd suggest you hit up Halopedia

[low condor]

Shield Worlds were supposed to save the Forerunners after the Halo Array activated. But the Flood knew about this plan and stuff happened iirc

Maybe there are more Forerunners on Shield Worlds

[keen canopy]

We can answer specific questions but when our answers recurse to two more questions and so on it gets too much very quickly lol

[low condor]

And didn't the "Precursors' data base" was wipped when the Halo Array was activated?

Because their technology was based on neural stuff, which was the target of the Halos?

[keen canopy]

Yea the domains architecture meant that the rings hit it bad

[low condor]

Noice, thanks

[keen canopy]

IIRC we're not exactly sure how some of it survived

[low condor]

But wasn't entirely destroyed, right?

[keen canopy]

May have something to do with slipspace

[oak oar]

the flood are corrupted precursor dust and the principal that all beings should be united under the mantle the flood "believe" they are following the mantles ideals by comgealing all biomass to a single body

[inner basin]

But the Flood are simply controlling everyone, taking the Mantle by force, similar to the Forerunners, and the Created

[keen canopy]

Basically yeah, they're also building a physical recreation of the domain

Aka the flood

[low condor]

It's awesome how the saga of an augmented soldier can be this complex

[oak oar]

what if the mantle wasnt made by the precursors and was actually an heirloom type thing and was passed down from an even higher race

[inner basin]

They’re also transforming everything to this disgusting look, at least the Forerunners and Created aren’t/didn’t do that

Well we don’t know of any “higher race” so we assume that the Precursors are the highest race atm

[keen canopy]

The obvious explanation would be that the Precursors made all life, it killed them, they woke up later as the Flood and decided to punish their ungrateful children by taking the life they gave them back

But there's also the possibility that the Flood are still testing Humanity for the mantle

[inner basin]

Well that is very plausible

[low condor]

Is there some "mental" connection between every Flood in the galaxy? I mean, if a new Gravemind was created, would it be the same as the one in Delta Halo?

[inner basin]

They tested the Forerunners by saying Humanity was the heir to the Mantle, and the Forerunners paid the price by causing the Precursors to turn to powder because they started killing them, which said powder became corrupted, and ultimately ended them in the end

[keen canopy]

I think they're too fallen and driven only by revenge and arrogance now. It's been stated that the Flood are only a small, corruped shadow of the Precursors

[inner basin]

But could the Precursors have planned this from the beginning?

[keen canopy]

No way

The dust thing was a desperate attempt to stay alive

[inner basin]

That’s the real question. I mean they were GODS after all

[keen canopy]

The Forerunners wiped them out

[inner basin]

But the Forerunners didn’t wipe all of them out. We know some survived, obviously not heard off, but they’re out there somewhere

[keen canopy]

They "Sunk to unreachable depths"

They're done for as a civilization

[inner basin]

That’s not dismissing the fact that they’re not there. All I’m saying

Maybe they planned everything, then they Forerunners planned somethings like Chief, his combat skin, and ancilla (in the paraphrased words of the Librarian to Chief)

It’s difficult to describe

[keen canopy]

They wouldn't plan their own genocide

[inner basin]

I mean the Forerunners did

[keen canopy]

Nor mutation into the flood, which was entirely an accident

And the Forerunners had no choice

They were dead anyway

[inner basin]

The Precursors were dead anyway

So they turned to powder

[keen canopy]

....what?

[inner basin]

Predicting their corruption with time

[low condor]

Well, I believe the Forerunners didn't plan to die. They had the Shield Worlds as shelters to protect them from the Halos

[keen canopy]

That plan was abandoned @low condor

[inner basin]

There’s a lot we still don’t know about the Precursors. Maybe it’s well known to them that when they turn to powder, they’ll corrupt

[keen canopy]

Firstly, are you proposing that they planned for the Forerunners to rise and kill them all

[inner basin]

Yeah, because they appointed humanity to be the heirs of the Mantle. Which they knew the Forerunners wouldn’t like

So they decide that the only way to live on, is turn to a powder, which they know will corrupt over time, but it’s there only choice to survive

[low condor]

@keen canopy Iirc they stopped building them, but they planned to use the ones they created as shelters. Then Mendicant Bias betrayed the Forerunners and they couldn't survive

[inner basin]

Well MB brings a Halo ring to Maetheillain, the Forerunners capital, killing the majority’s their population iirc

[keen canopy]

But hold up @inner basin how do you go from knowing beforehand they will rise up, to just accepting the death of your entire race

[inner basin]

I don’t know what you mean with that Q

Can you rephrase it?

[keen canopy]

You're saying the Precursors knew the Forerunners were about to rise up against them

And just said yea thats cool kill us all bro

[inner basin]

Well it’s all part of the bigger picture really. You’re just looking at step-by-step instead of the whole thing.

[keen canopy]

That's because this whole idea falls apart from the first step

[inner basin]

Not really. The Precursors would predict the Forerunners to rise up and win, but they’re not just gonna go silently into the night.

[keen canopy]

.....

They would all of the Forerunners dude

Kill

[inner basin]

When it’s inevitable that all of them are gonna be wiped out, they preserve themselves. Also we don’t know if they would kill all of the Forerunners. Again we know very little about them. Also this is HYPOTHETICAL

Going off the very little we know, I pieced this together

[keen canopy]

It's established that the Forerunners were only able to win due to the Precursors arrogant belief that nothing could challenge them

You're challenging that right now by saying that it's possible for:

The Precursors to be aware beforehand the Forerunners were about to rise up, and still lose the war

[inner basin]

Is it established? Where does it say that the Precursors can destroy entire civilisations? I don’t remember seeing that anywhere. We don’t even know the Precursors combat capabilities. My theory is that they can predict the genocide against them, but it doesn’t mean they can win it. It’s simple facts. Similar to how I can (hypothetically) predict an argument, but it doesn’t mean I’ll win it as an example. It could also be described as the long game. They get their noses bloodied, not intentionally at the start, but get back at the Forerunners with the Flood.

[versed helm]

I mean

[keen canopy]

It's like, almost certain that they didn't plan to become the Flood

The flood existing was such a long shot

[versed helm]

"masses of gas and helium" roads

[inner basin]

How so? It may have been the only option to survive to get back at the Forerunners

Live to fight another day type of thing

[versed helm]

https://www.halopedia.org/Star_road

[keen canopy]

They DID NOT LIVE to fight another day dude

[inner basin]

Well not all of them, yes. But some did survive, and the Primordial lived to fight another day

[keen canopy]

If you're accepting that a race that literally is advanced enough to create life

[oak oar]

i mean any race is but

[keen canopy]

Man i shouldn't have to elaborate that

[inner basin]

Okay, advanced enough to create live =/= combat effective

[oak oar]

i get it just making a joke

[inner basin]

You ever heard of Devil’s Advocate btw? I was trying to say earlier that I do this for a good long conversation

[keen canopy]

*seed an entire galaxy

And you're suggesting they're super wise enough to predict exact events hundreds of thousands of years into the future.. surely at this point you can accept that they could defend themselves from extinction lol

[oak oar]

maybe they chose not to

or something else happened to inhibit there abilities

did they even fight back?

[keen canopy]

Dude there are so many awesome things we could have talked about

[inner basin]

They could maybe see into the future for all we know. But again that doesn’t mean they can defend themselves. Or maybe they can, but they weren’t particularly strong. This is the point I present, that we know VERY LITTLE about them

[keen canopy]

Instead of you defending an ridiculous theory

We know enough to make your idea a complete waste of time

[inner basin]

May be ridiculous, but we’re all a little crazy

[oak oar]

true

[keen canopy]

Speak for yourselves

[oak oar]

also it said they groun themselves up into dust and i got corrupted

[inner basin]

I speak for everyone. Can’t say you aren’t

[oak oar]

how did it get corrupted

[inner basin]

Think of it as how milk turns sour or goes off with time, this dust corrupts with the addition of time. Perhaps being a single form for too long does it?

[keen canopy]

Why do you enjoy baiting people into arguments on the internet man

Just to later say "hey i was just playing devils advocate "

"I just enjoy long conversations "

[inner basin]

I’m not baiting. You didn’t have to join the conversation if you find it “ridiculous”. There was no cue for you to respond per say

[oak oar]

if people didnt argue nobody could reach a solution

[inner basin]

You in fact baited a response from me, eezy

[oak oar]

it never needed to be an arguement in the first place

[inner basin]

Exactly. I put a theory out there. Just to discuss lore. Not cause a debate. But when questioned on what I said, from you, I stuck my ground

I found no cause to be swayed, if it is plausible

Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree, to put the carpet over this conversation and continue on

[oak oar]

where were the prevursors actually mentioned#?

when were they first "discorvered"

[inner basin]

I think they first appeared in the Forerunner trilogy of books, but I could be wrong, and it may be terminals that I can’t think of at the top of my head

[terse lava]

the precursors first appeared in the halo 3 Beastanarium.

A small book that, in universe appeared to be made from guilty spark, talked about the homeworlds and various otherinfo on the various races in halo, covenant, human, reclaimer(yes, seperate from human).

The precursors are mentioned on the tier system page, "as the forerunners had no example of tier 0, besides the precursors themselves, this is a theoricial ceiling".

Although, that's only the first time they are mentioned by name, the Didact(later revealed as bornstellar) in the halo 3 terminals comments that the forerunners will "follow in their footsteps" when talking on the flood and the halo rings

[obsidian thistle]

The Precursors if I recall were first mentioned in the Halo 3 Bestriarum

That book had a lotta smol mentions which wouldnt become hard canon till later.

It even mentions Builders. Something that became a "Rate" in Forerunner society.

[terse lava]

@obsidian thistle While that was their first mention by name, weren't there very first mention at all from the halo 3 terminals?

[sharp adder]

Think so

[terse lava]

Did Truth and Mercy know of ripa as an arbiter?

don't think it's ever been stated if he was known around the Covenant as the current arbiter, or just Regret's personal enforcer

[carmine sleet]

I doubt Regret would've been able to hide that he made someone Arbiter from Truth

[terse lava]

maybe

just finding it curious if perhaps his whole title, "17th arbiter in the line of immaculate succession," has something to do with it. A rank that has existed for thousands of years, and then 400 as a badge of shame seems rather odd to only be #17

even if it is some type of different arbiter type

[umbral citrus]

17th within the covenant?

[terse lava]

17 in that particular line

[umbral citrus]

must be something to do with it being clean

18th back being a straight up traitor in the end?

[terse lava]

never been said thel was 18th

could have beren put in a different branch

although, perhaps what branch of arbiter you are put into depends on your sins

or crimes, whichever

[random cradle]

What was number was thel vaddam

[umbral citrus]

no i mean 18th backwards got decommissioned for treason and thus wouldn’t be immaculate

[random cradle]

The arbiter became a possum of shame by others when the one from halo legends became one

[stoic hamlet]

*position

It became a position of shame

Not a possum 😛

[gilded mason]

You sure? Have we ever seen a possum and an Arbiter in the same room?

[drowsy wind]

Good point...

So THAT'S what the mark of shame does

[stoic hamlet]

Someone needs to photoshop a possum in place of arbiter now

[inner basin]

I think it’d be the Assault Rifle. But he may not have a favourite weapon per say, but he may be very good with a weapon, again being the Assault Rifle which is why it’s his primary weapon

[umbral citrus]

“i hate those dual smgs but ever since that photo it’s all people want to see”

[gilded mason]

Oh yeah, regarding "the surviving Precursors sunk to unreachable depths": Based on Halopedia's source, Warfleet, it looks like it's referring to the Flood.
Eldest of the sapient minds in the Milky Way. They had infinite forms, many voices, and singular purpose. The realms they grew and the life they crafted continue on, though they themselves have sunk to unreachable depths.

[stoic hamlet]

John doesn’t seem to have a preference.

We’ve seen him use MA5B’s, C’s, K’s, BR55’s, M7’s and SPNKR’s.

[terse lava]

@gilded masondoesnt look like flood

[gilded mason]

Sounds like it to me.

[terse lava]

Singular purpose...maybe

But everything else looks.precursor

[gilded mason]

But everything else looks.precursor
Correct.

[terse lava]

Maybe they were hivemind

[gilded mason]

I had removed the very beginning, which is this:

Eldest of the sapient minds in the Milky Way. They had infinite forms, many voices, and singular purpose. The realms they grew and the life they crafted continue on, though they themselves have sunk to unreachable depths.```

It's the Warfleet glossary definition of the Precursors.

[terse lava]

Yea have it too

[gilded mason]

Yeah, so
though they themselves have sunk to unreachable depths.
is talking about them becoming the Flood.

[terse lava]

Hm interesting dudnt read it that way

How do you read that as the flood

[gilded mason]

It just...seems like a logical reading?

Like, such language used in that last line sounds absolutely like the Flood.

[umbral citrus]

fits with them spiting the forerunners for forcefully taking the mantle by becoming the thing that destroyed their civilisation

[terse lava]

Always figured it was survivor precursors

[gilded mason]

I don't see it. 😋

The "unreachable depths" would be the depravity, monstrousness, and overall horror that is the Flood.

[terse lava]

Correction always thought it was talking about the precursors before the

Rebellion

Interesting Way of looking at it though

Still find it funny though how this great race went crazy because their creations disnt wantnthem.to be erased

[gilded mason]

They failed their vibe check

[terse lava]

Who knows, maybe while the forerunners were rebelling, perhaps the other races joined in

Except humanity

[glacial dock]

Anyone know how the needler locks on to its targets?

And how does it know friend from foe like in the games (well reach at least)

[gilded mason]

post-war analysis and study have shown that the shards track their targets by homing in on the specific heat signatures of sighted targets.
From Halopedia.

[terse lava]

Wonder what would count as fancy covenant food

[umbral citrus]

depends on the species

logistics for food i’d feel would be a huge drain with such diverse species

one bonus of human forces is you only have to account for one type of nutrition

[gilded mason]

Local assembly forges could probably deal with a lot of that.

[obsidian thistle]

The shards however need to be charged.

Oof I got hit by "chat lag" nm. XD

[terse lava]

Likly tech would make a problems like nutrion in a civilization like the covenant null and void

[keen canopy]

@gilded mason the full quote is I believe:

Any remaining Precursors have sunk to unreachable depths

Whick IMO refers to Precursors that survived the war, not any of those that became the dust

[gilded mason]

I quoted the full quote

What I posted earlier was the full thing, and doesn't include "Any remaining Precursors"

[keen canopy]

Just scrolled up and saw that, i absolutely agree with you

It's definitely referring to the flood

If anyone can find the article with the "any remaining " line it should be changed lol

[gilded mason]

I actually got rid of that Halopedia line after I finally got to take a look at the full quote. 😋

[terse lava]

So I was right? 😀

[gilded mason]

Hm?

[terse lava]

Whoops my bad, misread

[gilded mason]

lol

[terse lava]

Lwast another reason to like the co tenant, not horrible elder creature

[keen canopy]

Well done lol that explains why i couldn't find it just then

[ancient kiln]

Are Halos also for living? Why is there oceans and oxygen, if they're supposed to be huge weapons?

[keen canopy]

They were used as a sort of staging ground

IIRC races were put there and catalogued and then taken to the Ark

[tawny fjord]

curious myself

https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/3vssgo/why_is_there_life_on_the_halo_rings/cxqo3hr/?context=8&depth=9 did wind up coming across this in a search

[keen canopy]

https://www.halopedia.org/Librarian

https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_Array

You'd be better off looking at those^

[terse lava]

Biomes are on the halo and arks due to the librarian and her lifeworker rate. Faber and the builders didnt have any plans to have the areas as havens of life, until the librarian called them out on that, calling it a crime against the mantle. The entire lifeworker rate threatened halt their work, which caused faber and the builders to relent and allow preserves on their halos and arks

You know, thanks to Oblivion and nizat been left with no armor, truly shows how bad thel had it during the heretic "level"

[versed helm]

How many species did the Librarian and the Lifeworkers save?

And how many successfully adapted to the changed environments of their respective home planets?

[stoic hamlet]

I don’t see how it implies Thel had it bad during Heretic, but I might be forgetting something. @terse lava

[terse lava]

@stoic hamletit was considered deeply dishonorable to die without armor, as shown in the book

[stoic hamlet]

I’d argue he already passed the point of that really mattering on the scale, heh

[terse lava]

So had the fleet master, who had lost 2 out of 4 Forerunner artifacts

Correction 3 out of 4

[stoic hamlet]

But that was IMO far less impactful than the Halo’s destruction.

I’m sure Thel cared

But I’d argue it really wasn’t anywhere near the dishonour and shame he would have had from losing the ring.

[terse lava]

Oh of course, I met symbolically

In other words, another reason to strip him of his armor besides branding the mark

[tacit helm]

Is Halo : Night Fall cannon anymore?

[stoic hamlet]

It’s still canon

Why wouldn’t it be?

[tacit helm]

oh god

super bombs that make people grey

[stoic hamlet]

It’s a biological agent

[tacit helm]

funny how it only shows up in hnf

[stoic hamlet]

It was a rare thing which was destroyed upon the Shard’s destruction.

I don’t think it’s that unbelievable

[tacit helm]

alright

[terse lava]

perhaps not exactly pure lore related, but do we know if those lore friday things with grim will ever return?

[unique rune]

I wish we'd go back to having regular weekly Canon Fodder articles but I don't think there are any plans to bring it back.

[keen canopy]

I certainly hope so

We should all tweet him

[terse lava]

yea, deeply miss those

[keen canopy]

Then again it's probably a lot or work

[terse lava]

on a proper lore topic though, has it been made truly canon that sangheili can't see the color purple? Thought it was a joke by frankie, but then a few years later saw it might be the case in Broken Circle. There are parts were it seems sangheili do indeed see purple, and other times they don't

[gilded mason]

Me and a friend gathered evidence to disprove it and then deleted it from Halopedia a while ago.

We compiled multiple instances of purple blood being referenced by Elites themselves , blue Sangheili blood being referenced by humans/the narrator, and the simple fact that seeing purple as blue would mean they can’t see red.

[terse lava]

glad to know, bothered me for a long time once the ussans started commenting on blue blood

those "blue blood cannibals" or something

[gilded mason]

Yeah, it bothered me quite a bit as well. And yeah, I remember that

The Spartan Manual is actually what prompted me to gather evidence

[terse lava]

oh?

[gilded mason]

Because it said Sangheili see the same color spectrum as humans

[terse lava]

ah good

wonder why they tried to go that route for a short while