Graveminds have the memories of EVERY LIVING THING to ever be infected by the flood. AND the previous existing Gravemind's memories
#lore-and-universe
maiden flame
ionic hound
i never realised truth was infected when the arbiter stabbed him
terse lava
You can hear the infection form die within
versed helm
he had spore tentacles in his head
terse lava
Indeed
versed helm
pretty obvious he was infected, man.
even the flood wanted him dead
but not part of it dead
he was that nasty
terse lava
Kinda feel bad for mercy, poor guy got caught up in crap
Dont think we really ever see him truly agree with truth
versed helm
nah. he dont
he joined up for the glory
and ended up getting all the mercy he deserved
NONE
terse lava
Doesn't appear he wanted glory
Regret wanted that
We see in Oblivion, months after the beginning of the war, he shows regret over the war when they are talking to Nizat.
keen canopy
@gilded mason lemme find something I prepared earlier about Jerome
agree that it should be Jerome, but he actually has some quite interesting and key differences to John-117.
While John was an exceptional child, excelling in school & sport, Jerome was on the streets committing violent crimes at the age of 6! (Imagine getting jumped/mugged by a six year old, this kid must have been a psycho).
While John was focused on winning all of the training games, Jerome was quite literally trying to escape the training compound.
John made it through augmentations and started leading missions, while Jerome was a "washout" and had to endure more augmentation & training.
And we only ever got to play as an old, seasoned Master Chief. Jerome is still young, and doesn't have the same experience or knowledge. Due to his late augmentation, and going into Cryo early in the war, he only has a few years of service, John has decades.
He's fought ground-side against the Flood, but doesn't know anything about what they are, or about the Forerunners, or the Halo rings.
From what we've seen of him he's more talkative than John, more inclined to humor, and has a more abrasive personality than John too. (He suggested firing at the Covenant ship that had captured Dr Anders, while standing right next to John Forge, and later took a punch for it)
Jerome's more casual, cocky demeanor, paired with his relative inexperience, could help him resonate well with players new to Halo, while also appealing to old fans as at the end of the day he's still from the Spartan II class we grew up with.
Jerome is already a very different character to John, and would be an awesome protagonist for an FPS IMO.
narrow basin
will we ever see Human/ONI become enemy in Halo
like
part of me wants her to get a redemption arc though
tbh I'd rather prefer Cortana to stay dead
if Halo 5 is about Chief dealing with the loss of Cortana, it would be quite an interesting experience done right
He doesn't really know how to process the loss of someone who is close to him, but he still has to fight for humanity against a new threat
but at the same time, he really wants Cortana back. Still thinking Halsey can restore Cortana, but Halsey is now hunted by ONI so Chief has to make a hard choice.
Halo 4 and HTT sets up a lot of interesting plot points.
I don't know what happen during Halo 5 Guardians development that lead 343i to abandon it
gilded mason
Still thinking Halsey can restore Cortana
I don't think he thought that after she sacrificed herself.
narrow basin
either that or Chief think Halsey can make Cortana 2.0
gilded mason
He doesn't really know how to process the loss of someone who is close to him
He was able to process Sam's death (and other Spartan's) well enough, I feel.
either that or Chief think Halsey can make Cortana 2.0
I don't think he thought that either.
narrow basin
I think with Cortana, the dynamic is rather different than Sam/other Spartans. But that's just my opinion.
the Halo 4 opening sets up that yes, even though SPARTAN IIs like Chief are badass and turn the Human-Covenant war to UNSC favor, they are still human and has emotional issues.
so losing Cortana and how Chief's deal with it is one of ways that the in-game story can explore Chief's humanity.
I mean in Halo 5 opening Chief has been taking mission non-stop with Blue Team since the loss of Cortana, that's not how normal people deal with loss.
versed helm
chief has a very different definiton of normal
cortana and chief have been through a lot together
they've destroyed halos
gilded mason
One halo.
versed helm
he's rescued her from the flood
gilded mason
Wait, two, I guess
versed helm
Hey, I'm new here and just wanted to ask something about an idea that's been bouncing around in my head- would anyone ever be interested in reading a fan-made series/novel thing that fixes the rough edges around the canon of Spartan II Class II and I Love Bees? I Love Bees is probably my favorite story of all time- not just in the haloverse, and since I listen to it a lot I think I managed to find a few characters and narrative arcs that if done right could fix the issues.
Just wanted to ask if anyone was actually interested in something like that
I need to get back into writing anyway
versed helm
If they're still rebuilding Mombasa,how are they gonna cover up the Portal at Voi?
Memorial
easy way to place an immovable cultural object to cover it
umbral citrus
turn it into a lake
versed helm
What if the UNSC needs to use it again
umbral citrus
drain the lake
versed helm
they use the one on mars
There's one on Mars?
yepadoodle
thats how they get to and from ark nowadays right?
umbral citrus
librarian: just in case they completely screw up, i'm leaving them a second door
versed helm
I thought the only Forerunner installation on Mars was that Juridical node
nah librarian was a little uhh
she had a favorite kid
Speaking of Mars,why didn't the UNSC place any ODPs in orbit above Mars?
odps?
Cairo Station
uhhhhh
you put them everywhere
Earth had 300 of those things and Reach only had 20,so why not place some in orbit above Mars?
im 20000% sure there were
and still are
Since Reach got glassed,where does the UNSC get the titanium to build more ships?
i mean
there are mining colonies on lots of glassed planets
Like Meridian?
Bliss for one still mines silicate
Meridian was a settlement attempt, but a mining station would be needed for the materials and for clearing the glasslands
and reach's fall was... calculated, so the affects on the titanium supply were probably accounted for before hand
And i'm betting that the UNSC has stockpiles of titanium stored elsewhere
yeah, an interstellar war isnt as resource heavy as you'd think either
especially when your ships are only marginally larger than seafearing naval ships
marginally being 200x but also like
when you take into account the amount of resources available comparatively that starts to make more sense.
versed helm
Given how much the UNSC had spread, it isn't that hard to imagine that 2-3 planets might have been super titanium rich
It fits the probability ratio
9000+ planets
bruh
yep
hmmm
They easily had 10+ super titanium rich planets
basically if my stellaris games with halo mods on them have told me anything
that one planet isnt much of a loss
in terms of resources
Aye. But they did lose quite a few
yes, they were probably *crapping themselves
Even though they had 9000+ colonies,
colony= inhabited
Hitting a bunch of key colonies can easily cripple an entire sector
they probably had enough mining stations on uninhabitable planets to fuel the war effort
Yup
Not to mention asteroid mining
unique rune
Yeah... Reach wasn't the only titanium deposit in the galaxy, otherwise the UNSC would've been screwed long before even finding the planet.
versed helm
mhmm
actually on the note of the thing i mentioned earlier about a fan thing cleaning the rough edges around I Love Bees
I'm gonna be away for the weekend, plenty of writing time ^^
if anyone is ever interested in something like that
to be clear i wouldnt change anything existing, just make the square peg that is I Love Bees & the Class II of Spartan IIs fit into the circle hole in the canon with some narrative magic.
tiny harness
Marginally larger compared to sea faring ships.... Pretty sure there isn't any sea based ship approaching 1 million metric tons. I am pretty sure the closest in rl is a CVN at 20k tons.
Corvettes in Halo are the closest there is to a rl sea based ship by weight. That isn't considering how larger ships equate to larger crew size. Which in Halo might mean due to increased automation results with much smaller crew to ship size ratio
tiny yarrow
Does anyone know what about to the absolute CHADS that rode a mongoose at the start of tip of the spear?
And why would you ride an ATV into the biggest land offensive on the planet?
versed helm
cause swag
stoic hamlet
They might have been scouts?
Honestly a lot of that cutscene I don’t necessarily consider “accurate”.
terse lava
Also humanity only had 800 worlds, not 9000
gilded mason
Think he was making an "over 9000" reference
And "worlds" ain't exactly accurate, since many were mining outposts or research stations, things like that.
stoic hamlet
IMO they only had maybe 300-400 worlds at max
fair hazel
colonies
versed helm
Yeah
dull fox
I thought there were like 19 colonized planets
stoic hamlet
More than that
That number comes from Contact Harvest But it doesn’t make any real sense especially considering all prior established lore
terse lava
Maybe only 19 now
unique rune
The Fall of Reach is a little bit all over chronologically, but it has parts that would be earliest
Those aside, it'd be Silent Storm, then The Fall of Reach, The Flood, and finally Ghosts of Onyx
But GoO also has some earlier stuff in it.
toxic venture
How does Noble 6s helmet survive being glassed?
versed helm
Its a relic
unique rune
Reach didn't get completely glassed by the Covenant.
versed helm
Question not its existence
unique rune
It was just in an area that the Covenant didn't bother burning.
versed helm
near a military base, you mean?
unique rune
I mean.
Wherever it was, the Covenant evidently just didn't think it was a valuable enough target to raze it.
I think the actual helmet was left at its final resting place, but a replica was created by the UNSC as an exhibit for Outpost Discovery.
Presumably his body and armor are still on Reach, yes.
Or at least whatever remains of them.
strong narwhal
unique rune
If we ever go back to Reach in a future game, sure.
solemn void
I thought Spartans were given officer's ranks when they complete training? I see that S-IV's ranks are simply "Spartan" now
Like how Noble 6 was a Lieutenant
unique rune
At present time in the Halo universe, I don’t believe the UNSC has bothered to return to Reach for any reason, but at some point in the future it does get re-terraformed.
Spartan ranks were revised under the newly-formed Spartan Operations branch.
Surviving Spartan-IIs and Spartan-IIIs were given the option to join it, IIRC, but I’m pretty sure most opted to stay under NavSpecWar and retain their Navy ranks
Spartan Operations just kinda puts them all at “Spartan”
Which I always thought was pretty dumb
solemn void
Oh, I guess that makes sense, considering that the new generation are volunteers and selected. I kinda wish Buck can still be appropriately called "Gunny!" again hahaha
stoic hamlet
II’s and III’s were given non-commissioned ranks, IIRC they all started at the equivalent to Marine Corporals with Team leaders being Sergeants and they had operational authority to countermand other officers if they were on mission
Noble are an odd (unnecessary IMO) outlier
The IV’s are all commissioned officers
solemn void
Oh, hence why Red Team took orders from Sgt. Forge?
unique rune
Probably because Bungie
stoic hamlet
Plenty of other Spartans have been addressed by their ranks
solemn void
Okay, you cleared up a lot for me on that one. I thought it was odd previously that Red Team obeyed orders from Sgt. Forge. I assumed they were higher ranking than him, but he had more experience in the field
unique rune
Most of it I’m sure is just because people are more familiar with the name “the Master Chief” as opposed to John-117, out of universe
stoic hamlet
Filter.......
A member of Fred’s unit calls him Chief a few times in First Strike because he was a Chief Petty Officer. @versed helm
Yeah
By that point he was a CPO
gilded mason
based fred
solemn void
I think it's from his "reputation" from his actions, and word gets around?
I think at the end of Halo 2, he referred to himself as Spartan-117
solemn void
But I don't think it counts, because he needed to explicitly identify himself
stoic hamlet
Cortana as well uses that callsign in her message in Forward Unto Dawn
solemn void
Riding that massive space needle
stoic hamlet
He refers to himself as Spartan 117 in The Flood a few times.
stoic hamlet
Elites call all Spartans demon
feral perch
I saw some kind of controversy over whether or not ODSTs actually had the nickname “imp” used by Covies
stoic hamlet
They’ve been called “Blacksuits” a few times
feral perch
Hm.
unique rune
Pretty sure she generally refers to him as John
stoic hamlet
She always calls them by their names
stoic hamlet
Never their numbers or ranks
solemn void
But only the S-II's, right?
stoic hamlet
It was a trait of hers that she was the only non-Spartan able to tell them apart even in armour, back when they all wore the same armour.
solemn void
I found that she didn't really care for S-III's much
solemn void
Oh, I have an honest question
stoic hamlet
If she doesn’t make it or have a hand in it it’s wrong/imperfect, in her eyes.
solemn void
What in the hell are "nipples" that the Grunts talk about?
stoic hamlet
It’s what they use to eat
stoic hamlet
It’s like their MRE’s
solemn void
Oh my god, I was thinking a la Krieg from Borderlands nipple, not bottle nipple
It really didn't occur at all. Not my finest hour, no 🤦
Err
Y-yes?
I mean, it does have a reactor. Desperate times may call upon desperate measures
But wow, you're really making me think about it
Imagine Kat's slipspace bomb idea didn't work
Jorge would just Predator out and set off his armor instead
Even Covenant ship interiors are resistant to nukes? Darn!
unique rune
The Ardent Prayer would probably be obliterated, but the Long Night of Solace would likely just have a few new scorch marks at most.
solemn void
That makes me wonder about Helioskrill. How did the Elites manage to work with Mjolnir tech to make a working set of their design?
That's fancy, but also scary
unique rune
Well, the thing to note is that it was designed with as little UNSC assistance possible
So it’s pretty much implied to be a result pure skill and determination that it’s completely compatible with MJOLNIR systems
solemn void
Oh, right. I noticed that armors have different manufacturers now. It's like Zeon mobile suits all over again. Who's like, the top corporation at the moment?
@unique rune That's just... Impressive... Most impressive...
unique rune
Materials Group is probably still top of the line, yeah.
solemn void
There is no war in Ba Sing S- I'll stop now
But yeah, I wonder how will they explain Chief reverting back to what looks like pure GEN1 Mjolnir
unique rune
The armor he’s wearing in the Infinite trailers is GEN3
solemn void
Wait, huh
unique rune
Constructed in early 2559, if I remember correctly.
solemn void
GEN3??
unique rune
Halsey updated it in late 2561
gilded mason
The explanation is that they decided the look of Mark VI was nice for the specific Gen3 armor he is wearing.
solemn void
Oh snap, I like this explanation
stoic hamlet
GEN1 has better armour protection but worse shields than GEN2
So GEN3 is a marriage of the two.
GEN3?
No
No
GEN2/3 has much better internal systems
unique rune
Their Mark IV hybrids are literal combinations of GEN1 and GEN2 armor
GEN3 is supposed to be a combination of the driving design goals of GEN1 and GEN2
stoic hamlet
Biofoam injectors, VISR.
unique rune
Spirit of Fire’s internal factories, probably.
solemn void
I wonder how will the overall aesthetics look like. I still like GEN2 quite a bit, but I know GEN1 is iconic. I hope there's fair amounts of both. The GEN1+2 Mk.IV mix-up in H5 looks so good
unique rune
I’d imagine it’s still not quite on-par with pure GEN2 since it’s still running on GEN1 parts.
solemn void
I really love it when tech gets tailor-made to the person based on the situation forcing modifications to be made
unique rune
Most likely the case, yes.
stoic hamlet
I personally dislike hyper-specialization, it IMO makes no sense.
but then I just prefer the uniform armour in general.
gilded mason
Same
solemn void
If it was an anime, you could call Red Team's armor "GEN1 Kai" 😂
stoic hamlet
every variant of GEN2
unique rune
The number of GEN2 armor sets is a bit ridiculous since there’s a bunch that are kinda redundant.
stoic hamlet
*basically every variant of GEN2 😛
solemn void
Can you slap on any more lenses on that
unique rune
Modularity is cool
solemn void
Agreed, wholeheartedly!
unique rune
It makes me angry when keeping track of stuff with Gundam things but I like the idea of being able to switch out parts for different purposes pretty easily
solemn void
Mjolnir Striker Packs, booyah
unique rune
You could ask that about a lot of GEN2
like why is Seeker a thing and why is it hideous
unique rune
FOTUS was just 343 having fun
gilded mason
like why is Seeker a thing and why is it hideous```
The best at brewing coffeeOverpriced enviroment murdering coffee maker sure screams stealthy
solemn void
How about that football set that I can't remember the name of
solemn void
Yess, my dude
gilded mason
What's also annoying is that so many sets have weird random stripes or patterns in arbitrary locations that you can't get rid of.
unique rune
The most irritating bit is like the weird orange and teal some of them have
solemn void
I know, right? Look at the chest, looks like protection gear
Oh my
Spartan football, hut!
unique rune
With the Spartan-IVs having lead relatively normal human lives before joining, yeah, they probably do play those sorts of sports.
solemn void
I find it odd how a lot of the armor looks... Competitive. Athletic, rather than militaristic. Olympic, even
unique rune
Even without kidnapping and indoctrinating children, the Spartan program's always gotta do questionable things
unique rune
Obviously someone saw the additional augmentations Kurt gave to S-III Gamma and wanted to one-up him
solemn void
I wonder if there's a Mjolnir for counters Achilles' AI
Like
A soothing AI, instead
Oh my god, that explains very well
Don't you think it's funny how Mjolnir armor may possibly weigh a ton, comes with energy shields, armor lock is a thing, Chief flew through space and smacked face-first onto In Amber Clad, but...
EOD is a thing
I mean. How much armor is enough armor
I love EOD, but you gotta start wondering about these things
It's a homebrew
Bahahahaha
Imagine your squadmate shows up in that, and you're up for a matchup with an Achilles on the other side
If the suits actually had stats
I appreciate that Wrath still kept the skull
But why is the skull still there?
unique rune
Because the community would've thrown a fit if it wasn't.
solemn void
Ahahaha very true
But the lore is funny
"We want the skull on it"
"Why?"
"Shh, you talk too much"
unique rune
"We aren't paying for it unless you put the skull on there."
solemn void
"😳"
unique rune
It was a Spartan Operations branch contract, so A266 might have been involved in it...
solemn void
Wonder how did Chief Jun feel about his old armor becoming a standardized set
unique rune
He's implied to be the one that requested the upgrade, if I remember correctly.
The VIGILANT was originally a one-off upgrade for an unnamed VIP within the Spartan branch. Not intended for production, interest in the suit's feature set among Spartan scout-snipers has led to several being assembled for full evaluation.
I'd imagine he's alright with it.
I don't believe he really does any of the training. More just on the recruitment end of things.
unique rune
At least A259's armor got recognized in some form.
solemn void
Maybe it's an insider thing that only Jun feels satisfied with
unique rune
Meanwhile the closest we have to Mark V[B] is the... rather unsightly Decimator.
Yeah, all of the Memories of Reach sets seem to have something along those lines in their descriptions.
Well, yeah, Noble was part of H5 before the Memories of Reach update.
solemn void
What's the heaviest looking GEN2? Or rather, what's the GEN2 with the most bodysuit coverage?
As in, the armor plates covering the bodysuit
I do like that, though. That it goes all the way up to your neck
unique rune
Yeah, the Indomitable Erod variant has a few cool little nods like that on it.
unique rune
It's similar to how you'd use any other turret weapon.
But it's Jorge's M247H so it's cooler.
unique rune
I don't believe the card itself gives one, but really it's probably just that the M6D was never retired from service.
solemn void
Ah, I guess that's the most sensible explanation
I was wondering if they explained the fact that it's still low-poly hahaha
tiny yarrow
The spartans lobbied for the CE Magnum in the UEG congress
terse lava
wonder if the Covenant had any unique units for protecting volcanic worlds within their realm
carmine sleet
Most likely. It would make no sense not to have specialised forces for operations on volcanic worlds
terse lava
well it makes sense on aquatic worlds that we have confirmation on, likely due to forerunner artifacts. Yet in the case of forerunner artifacts on hotter planets, how would they get them
carmine sleet
By cooling down any lava and then digging through it?
terse lava
...wow it has been a long day at work for me not to think that
versed helm
What metals did the Covenant use to build their ships and vehicles?
lots
What kind of metals i mean?
lots
tbh idk
but their resource pool was a lot larger, so they didnt need to worry about that
unique rune
Only thing we really know about Covenant materials is that they made extensive use of different nanolaminate blends.
That’s... about it.
If it’s not been recorded on Halopedia, chances are no one knows.
gilded mason
Doing Johnson stuff
Miss D is the same D from Homecoming, yes
I think it was a button to initiate a self-destruct
Its mandibles opened in a four-pointed [*] that might have been scorn...or laughter...then it twisted its shoulders and dragged its hand free of the [blister] [...] the Covenant ship outside flew apart in a cloud of flame and metal and his escape pod tumbled away.
stoic hamlet
It was a self destruct yeah
Also, the filter really filtered that name as well?
I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised
gilded mason
Yeah, even filters the ace pilot's actor's last name
stoic hamlet
Wow
It also filters, for some reason, the fastest Spartan alive. Is that an actress’s name? I can’t think of why it would be filtered.
gilded mason
Yeah, the mechanic in the second movie
stoic hamlet
But I figured it was for that
It was either that or for the Halo Author of the same name
gilded mason
Anyway, something I enjoyed about that SS scene was it showcasing alternate Sangheili views on honor. In Cole Protocol, Thel was vehemently against any crewman abandoning ship. In here though, we see a different crew's view on things, and believing that it'd be more logical for everyone to try to escape.
terse lava
While lore has said that High Charity began building at the beginning of the Covenant, has it ever been said what the the san shyuum did with previous planetoid? Did they keep it in one system, or tug it along on their travels?
@gilded mason A pity it seems none managed to flee
terse lava
should have clarified, my bad, met the bridge crew themselves
gilded mason
Ah
terse lava
if I recall, John gunned them all down before they could make it to the doors leading to the pods
gilded mason
a bit rude tbh
terse lava
funny, none stayed to actually fight and everyone went for them
I wonder if perhaps the crew members were younger
then again don't think it shows their ranks
noble fjord
I wonder how many flood are still on High charity post Awakening the Nightmare
gilded mason
At least one
terse lava
guessing billions
billions of little infecction forms
For just one host body today, you can give this little flood form the chance to grow
gilded mason
[In the Arms of an Angel plays]
unique rune
I don't think I like this version of the ad
noble fjord
I wonder if the Flood could even take over the ark
gilded mason
I wonder if the Flood could even take over the ark```
Eventually, sure.Sentinel defenses otta be pretty mean on the ark
unique rune
They're a bit less sharp without an overseeing ancilla, though.
With 000 Tragic Solitude being a bit... dead.
gilded mason
rip in peace
terse lava
how dd he die anyway? sure his shell was pierced and destroyed, but ol guilty went through a similar way
gilded mason
John is super special
"I am the main character, and I have the authority to name the creatures of the galaxy."
noble fjord
The game does a terrible job of conveying johns leadership ability
noble fjord
every halo game fails to convey this
maiden flame
H5 made it seem like John was just like ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ looking for Cortana
noble fjord
I'm not gonna call out H5 alone on this one, in every halo game chief is just a soldier, never showing leadership very well
terse lava
the marines do follow him in every game, but ducklings follow a mother duck so rather lackluster
was he ever?
maiden flame
Nobody was emotionally stable after Halo 4
maiden flame
Rtas?
gilded mason
So was shipmaster
Rtas or Let?
terse lava
them too
maiden flame
I thought foehammer was dead
terse lava
she is
noble fjord
I swear John is an emotionless brick
terse lava
but she kept her cool up until the end
gilded mason
He was better in CE/4
terse lava
he's a tin can
maiden flame
Thel Vadam is a bamf
gilded mason
He had some nice sassy moments in CE
maiden flame
Rtas is a unique case too
maiden flame
John is a tin can who feels things
He obviously feels a strong connection to Cortana
noble fjord
John is asexual towards anything not cortana
maiden flame
Aren't we all
gilded mason
I hope you're not implying John is in love with Cortana?
terse lava
...THE HECK
maiden flame
New movie
terse lava
....
maiden flame
Yeah
gilded mason
The mechanic's real life name in the second movie
terse lava
i hate galaxy battles
maiden flame
The filter is a bit.......aggressive
noble fjord
I'm not implying he is in love with her, but I am pointing out that she is the only one he's ever conveyed emotion to
maiden flame
Is true
terse lava
the filter is more aggresive then the Covenant was towards heresy
gilded mason
He's emotional with his fellow Spartans.
maiden flame
Not on the level he was with Cortana
terse lava
yet has he ever shown the same amount of care he does for cortana as he did for them?
maiden flame
Especially after he failed to stop didact from composing the space station
terse lava
Closest I can think of was not wanting to leave linda behind on the Unyeilding
gilded mason
Not on the level he was with Cortana
Eh, I don't see it.
noble fjord
Legit he watches everyone get composed, no emotion at all
terse lava
well
noble fjord
Cortana coughs, he has a heart attack
terse lava
he does raise his arms towards them
maiden flame
But he empathizes with Cortana after
terse lava
this is why I always liked THel over john, more personality
noble fjord
tfw Halo 4 and 5 show more emotion for chief than 1, 2, and 3
heck the only time I've ever seen concern from chief was the high charity mission in halo 2 "That brute has the index, and miranda and johnson! he can activate the ring"
maiden flame
I like thel and John equally
The thing is that John was conscripted and heavily indoctrinated
terse lava
i find the battle droids from galaxy battles have more personality then him at times
noble fjord
Jorge apparently took John's slice of Emotion Pie
maiden flame
Kek
terse lava
hm?
maiden flame
Emotion Pie
terse lava
ah
maiden flame
But ye
terse lava
btw, would anyone else agree that halo 2 was thel's tale, not the chief's?
maiden flame
Since John was leader of blue team it was kinda necessary for him to not be emotional
It was both
But a little bit leaning towards thel
We kinda knew that the fight would continue on John's end but it was super cool to see things from Thel's perspective too
noble fjord
It was more so a parallel of the two factions from the beginning until they met up.
Thel was being called heretic
Chief was being brought up as a hero
Thel hunted a heretic
Chief hunted a prophet
terse lava
well was thinking on it, and John, plotwise does nothing
noble fjord
John cost the Honor Guards their job... what a jerk
terse lava
we don't speak of that heresy here
noble fjord
John beat up a prophet
why did the prophets even use honor guards, just hire jackal snipers
unique rune
Thel's half of Halo 2's campaign was definitely the highlight of it for me.
terse lava
because that's the write of union, the entire base of the Covenant
unique rune
Chief's is mostly just kinda standard "go kill aleins" fare.
noble fjord
I will say this though
yes chiefs line from his pov was pointless
but you at least see the impact his side has from Thel's pov
terse lava
wish more in hindsight chief was out of the game
noble fjord
tfw Miranda Keyes has more balls than half the characters in halo
terse lava
idk about that
maiden flame
Top kek
noble fjord
we don't talk about that
unique rune
"That's nice 'n all, ma'am, but seriously. We've already been at war. For nearly three decades."
maiden flame
As good of a one liner that was
terse lava
Miranda points gun at the guy I said. to.war.
i do feel bad for her though, gets offed at the end of the game, likely worse thinking she doomed the whole galaxy
noble fjord
Rtas trying to explaining to Truth about how the Elites are the best protectors, Truth not looking at the Dried Blood of the Prophet he killed in Halo 1
noble fjord
the flood infected ship
terse lava
but the legate was already infected
noble fjord
well yes but he didn't know that when he first did that
terse lava
only thing vadumee did was throw him to the ground prior to that
noble fjord
Let's be serious, if an Elite throws you against the ground with any degree of force...
it's gonna hurt
a lot
and prophets are, fragile (at least in game) <_<
terse lava
true
gilded mason
I remember in Envoy, an Elite threw a Spartan so hard, the impact dented a Phantom.
noble fjord
I wonder what Atriox is doing with his Silent Shadow squad
gilded mason
Knowing Atriox, nothing of use.
noble fjord
Knowing from the game - Nothing of known use
Knowing from the comics - a wide variety of things
terse lava
that's a thing I hate on the Banished
Atriox: I will not lead like the Covenant
proceeds to do just that
no reason given
gilded mason
Yeah.
terse lava
oh? A control that makes drones obey us? We don't be llike that
noble fjord
I wish one day the Halo Books and Comics could share even a small bit of consistency with the Games.
Atriox in the comics vs Games is a night and day difference
noble fjord
Engineer's are... strange < _ <
terse lava
not really an excuse though to do that to them
gilded mason
And send Elites on suicide missions
Casually murder grunts
Kill lekgolo in droves
Brand members
noble fjord
I think Colony is still the most "inhumane" member of the Banished
terse lava
well...yea
noble fjord
Forcing Lekgolo colonies to form into Goliaths has got to be pretty brutal
terse lava
and of course, poor let 'Volir. GIven 2-3 lines, nothing else
gilded mason
i cri
noble fjord
Let'Volir's honor guards probably hate him
noble fjord
They sure don't appreciate being mercenaries which at least that got addressed in phoenix logs
terse lava
literally everything Let did was for keeping his crew alive and safe
unique rune
I'd imagine they're probably more pissed at Atriox than 'Volir
terse lava
indeed, they show contempt for Atriox
noble fjord
well that's a given nova
unique rune
Throw away all their shame and self-esteem to serve as mercenaries for survival and ship maintenance and now they're stuck on the Ark, without the ship that they sacrificed everything for to even be proud of.
noble fjord
If Awakening the Nightmare is to be 1000000% cannon, they have to have another ship to call in those orbital strikes
unique rune
The Banished have other, smaller ships in the area, but as far as I'm aware, the Enduring Conviction was their largest.
terse lava
What I truly hate, was the fact Let acts so submissve to the big ol brute
noble fjord
I mean the "Big ol brute" didn't look like he gave a single f ck when a Silent Shadow team known for slaughtering a few hundred brutes showed up in his face
terse lava
either far to cocky, or knew the sangheili were likely tired of the slaguther
or, most likely, fully expected them at some point
noble fjord
well the leader certainly wasnt... his squad mates on the other hand... killed their leader
noble fjord
at least Atriox wasn't completely stupid in 1 department
he might not have supported Covenant beliefs, but unlike some of his commanders, he at least believed/knew not to enter high charity
terse lava
and yet
"Hey, you and your dopy brother, go near what I told your brother NOT to go near"
noble fjord
I'd like to believe Let and Colony, two objectively better leaders were busy
terse lava
no objection here
least colony got a mention
Let may as well have dies on the Conviction
gilded mason
😥
noble fjord
I will say this again
at least he wasn't killed giving him a chance at doing something
terse lava
i miss Let's one cameo moment
noble fjord
in the future
terse lava
a chance thus far not given
noble fjord
Hey, his motion cap looked great on the bright side <~<
terse lava
come to think of it
It was commented on in the comics that let served the Covenant when he met atriox
was tht ever said to be just some random group, or an actual Covenant fleet that just never fell apart
noble fjord
Let served the Covenant before the schism
noble fjord
Atriox convinced him to join the banished prior to the Schism
noble fjord
I'd like to say the schism was about to begin, simply due to the state of the ship
terse lava
wait, wait
noble fjord
or in progress
terse lava
it was after I am pretty sure
yea
he was shown fighting brutes
thus either during, or shortly after
noble fjord
Idk the comics aren't great at conveying these things, all I remember is during the comic Enduring Conviction had a lot less armor and was worse for wear
terse lava
thus the original question if the fleet he was with was a "true" Covenant fleet, similar to Xytan, or just a random group
huh, didn't notice those details
noble fjord
Enduring Conviction in game was always surprising to me, considering I never thought Covenant Super Carriers needed more armor
gilded mason
Just a normal carrier
terse lava
yea, the Enduring is just a normal assault carrier
unique rune
It's got a bit of a red glow to it but otherwise there's nothing visually distinctive about it compared to other CAS-class.
light quail
How strong is the Infinity’s shields? Better than Covenant ship shields?
cursive quiver
Thats nice
terse lava
well it was able to plow through a covenant cruiser 1000+ years old when shield tech was more limited and relied more on armor.
something I have wondered, we have seen how the Covenant was rather uncaring of losing lives of their own or enemies. Would part of this possiblely come from the Covenant's only client race being the lekgolo for almost 2000 years?
a race of considered by the other two as likely easily expenable?
versed helm
uncaring, since it is believed they are all gone for the great journey
noble fjord
I wonder why the covenant even wastes soldiers on piloting vehicles. Colony shows that Lekgolo colonies can easily pilot Wraiths/Locusts/Etc
gilded mason
Gameplay
noble fjord
that and the Lekgolo are... very smart
gilded mason
First and foremost
noble fjord
very very smart...
maiden crest
Yo
gilded mason
All we know is that she did a voiceover.
It could be Bungie using her voice for the role of an omniscient narrator
solemn void
Man, if it really is Dr. Halsey speaking, then humanity definitely managed to endure Cortana
gilded mason
Well, Cortana didn't want to kill humanity anyway.
She just wanted to enact a brutal police state
solemn void
Youch...
terse lava
"I want to protect you from violence, by protecting you with violence"-Cortana
gilded mason
based tyrant
keen canopy
Kills everyone on Luna with a single action
gilded mason
Maybe Cortana did something right and they're all destroyed outside the Ark.
terse lava
all those dead brutes....what a pity -small violen plays-
wonder if we will ever really see a more...wise brute
atriox in the comics came close
gilded mason
Castor seemed wise. (I have not read Retribution yet, so I don't know if that changed)
terse lava
he's the leader of the keepers yes?
gilded mason
Ye, they allow all species in it
terse lava
i can see someone in that group taking that idea a bit too far
"Great Castor, welcome our newest member," flood form walks in
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
come to think of it, haven't the known post-covenant groups evened out? Had the sangheili SoS, Jul's thing, and the Servants, while brutes had the keepers, banished, and vanilla loyaltists?
gilded mason
We also have Luro's faction, and, ugh, Sali's.
keen canopy
Didn't the Servants have some mention in HW2?
stoic hamlet
Servants are gone as an organized faction thanks to G-059, Keepers lost lots of their fleet and assets due to good old fashioned Prowler antics, and the Banished were arguably worse off than either of them, so....
terse lava
i admit I forgot Luro's, thus far wouldn't his faction be the only sangheili faction that appears to be vanilla covenant?
gilded mason
Perhaps. Though I don't know their views on humans and if they want to wage war on them for some silly reason.
terse lava
idk, only thing I can recall was that he( and i assume his group) still go with the whole great journey idea
stoic hamlet
The Keepers do as well IIRC
gilded mason
Same as the Keeprs
terse lava
although...I guess Nizat's merry men may also count
gilded mason
Dang it
stoic hamlet
Beat you 😛
terse lava
yes, but the keepers are brute led
gilded mason
Eh, we don't really know enough about Nizat yet, considering.
stoic hamlet
They’re probably dead by the post war
gilded mason
shut ur mouth
terse lava
HERESY
terse lava
can't have nizat without tam
gilded mason
Indeed
terse lava
like a big bro and little bro
gilded mason
Ye
terse lava
when one thinks on it a bit, truth's group in a way kinda won didn't they?
gilded mason
What'cha mean?
terse lava
well, they went to the ark to go on the Great Journey(odd truth message not counting) and well...the ring activated and survivors were likely around
so in a way...they won
gilded mason
I'm not sure I understand.
terse lava
Pretty sure tiredness is affecting me, but truth's group wanted to achieve the great journey via the rings. In a warped way, when the replacement ring activated, thus in a sense they got what they wanted
gilded mason
Weren't they all dead by the time John and the gang went to 04-B?
terse lava
I don't think so, you see phantoms constantly coming in to try and help, and even when that stops, there were likely brutes in other areas of the ark. No way we killed the entire landing force from a fleet of 30 vessels
gilded mason
So then you're saying they got wanted by getting killed by the ring coupled with it halfway ruining the Ark?
gilded mason
Though they wanted ascendance, not death. It'd be like me thinking shooting myself in the head would make me god, but it just leaves a hole in me instead. I wouldn't call that me winning.
terse lava
like I said, tiredness setting in so yea doesn't make the best of sense
gilded mason
lol
stoic hamlet
Tiredness thought
glacial dock
Is there an in universe reason why cortana's appearance changes from game to game?
versed helm
She got closer to rampancy
quiet umbra
I doubt it tbh
Why does chief’s armor change slightly between halo 2 and 3?
It’s a graphical update
glacial dock
By that logic does being rampant makes ais appear... thiccer lol?
versed helm
Dude...
WORT DA FRICK
But that's the only in game explanation that sounds feasible
the transition in 4 to 5 can be explained, since she becomes part of the domain
but from 1-4, that's all i got.
glacial dock
What's the cloests canon difficulty in the games? Like are those legendary sniper jackals accurate lore wise?
autumn urchin
heroic is the canon difficulty
gilded mason
Heroic is the difficulty that Bungie felt would give the most satisfaction.
But it is not canon.
autumn urchin
i think both bungie and 343 have stated heroic is the canon difficulty but ok
gilded mason
I mean, if you got a source, I'll concede.
terse lava
Think it was said on Bungie.net years ago that herioc was their idea of "canon." In truth though the closest one could get to canon would likely be reach custom firefight where 1-2 plasma bolts can kill you
gilded mason
Yeah, Fall of Reach has Spartans getting "killed" by a couple plasma pistol bolts.
versed helm
I would say legendary.
autumn urchin
well in reality there are so many contradictions in the lore that there is no clear difficulty
terse lava
would have to say, if you wanted a campaign play of "real" halo, would be herioc with legendary weapon damage
gilded mason
I would say legendary.
Though Legendary has all of your attacks weaker in cmparison.
autumn urchin
in the last mission of halo reach u can see noble six taking several shots of plasma that he wouldnt survive if it were legendary
terse lava
how else are you going to have a dramatic send off to the player character?
versed helm
Yea you are right.
random cradle
Any difficulty for halo 2 is very hard
versed helm
I want to see a fight cutscene between spartans and the covenant
There's one in 5, but they aren't exactly covies
its fireteam osiris vs jul mdama and the didact groupies
you can always look at the movies and the anime for the fight scenes
terse lava
halo battles 1 has stealth sangheili facing off red team..........rather lopsided fight but yea
gilded mason
Ugh, don't remind me of that farce.
terse lava
i hated it from day one
gilded mason
Same
terse lava
i can understand de-cloaking for honor
but....why melee
plasma rifles, needlers, anything?
gilded mason
¯_(ツ)_/¯
terse lava
yea....
oh
another one....maybe idk if it still exists
a halo battles 1..battle of some covenant facing off against one of...I think omega team on harvest
versed helm
I want to see a fight like the 300 spartans, no armor. I will stop wishing
terse lava
......what
glacial dock
You do realize plasma annihliates flesh?
terse lava
it melts literally anything
gilded mason
Can it melt my heart?
terse lava
no, only nizat can melt yours
glacial dock
It even destroys that titanium a battle plate that frigates use
gilded mason
Correct
versed helm
Lol forgot to include against covenant with no armor or weapons either. Just muscle vs muscle
terse lava
maybe little tiny tam too
gilded mason
lol 👌
gilded mason
Well, ain't that adorable.
glacial dock
Arent the elites as strong as the spartans tho? Like the fall of reach novel said that master chief and an elite were evenly matched?
terse lava
that was a ranger
terse lava
I have heard for years, since halo 2 released, that when it comes to sangheili, a major is equal in strength to chief
nope, it was a ranger
they were fighting on the surface of that human station
gilded mason
But anyway, Elites come in a vast array of skill, experience, and physical strength, so battles would differ from Elite to Elite
terse lava
mhm
glacial dock
Woild elite field marshalls be thw strkngeat then?
terse lava
strongesT?
gilded mason
Not necessarily
terse lava
het it's all good, typo all the time here
yea, we see the upper crust silent shadows go against chief and co
the best of the best of the best...lose to teenagers in fancy armor
glacial dock
They arent just ordinary teenagers tho lmao
terse lava
and the shadows wern't ordinary sangheili
gilded mason
Then again, this is before they had any experience with Spartans and learn more about them.
glacial dock
Some old lady experimented on them after kidnapping them and made then the UNSCs deadliesy killing machines
terse lava
yea, my point though was that this upper tier guys lost to them so higher rank does not mean an easy win
gilded mason
Ah, yes
terse lava
then, you have a lower ranked commando officer who fought john and managed to literally saw through his armor with an enertgy sword after the battle of alpha halo
gilded mason
And a Major that beat him in a sword duel.
terse lava
yep
glacial dock
Elite major?
terse lava
small add on, said commando was doing this, while johnson was going full auto into the sangheili's back through a crack in a door
gilded mason
Thel 'Lodamee, yeah
terse lava
yes, from the package, Thel 'Lodamee
originally he was supposed to be Thel 'Vadamee, but the creators doofed, not knowing that thel, was already a zealot
and had a book dedicated to his lore
gilded mason
Thel 'Vadumee
I see he finally got hitched to Rtas! 🎉
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
i wonder, in regards to zealots
it's said some of the orders existed before the Covenant, do you think they developed from left behind warrior-servant records?
gilded mason
Hm. To access those records, I assume you'd have to use the artifacts, which would be a big no-no
gilded mason
Eh, I dunno. Feels like it'd be a bit too contrived.
terse lava
maybe
personally, I always liked my own little head canon that forerunner warrior-servants had sangheili as a servant race who, despite their short lives proved wonderful warriors and the best would be rewarded with life-extending armor.
gilded mason
Aw, that actually sounds cute.
terse lava
does sound oddly cute now that I read it...huh
either way, could see the warrior-servants doing that
maybe sending off the forerunner-armored sangheili to act as guardians of the homeworld itself as the forerunners are forced to leave
not a terribly bad origin for the zealots
timber vapor
What do you think would have happened if the Forunners did get the Mantle of Responsibility from the Precursors
versed helm
The flood wouldn’t exist
versed helm
Well since the forerunners wouldn’t be forced to create the halo rings
The halo universe would be entirely different
Unggoy would have a great economy
timber vapor
Maybe we would even see the Phuru dog things
versed helm
Humans and San shyum would still be allies
sharp adder
Yeah before ring fire they were fixing up there planet
timber vapor
Thats true
sharp adder
But rings stopped it and got worse
timber vapor
Yeah its too bad
Do you think the Spartans would still be created but even stronger and without the whole kidnapping children thing
versed helm
In a universe where the forerunners took the mantle or just the regular halo universe?
versed helm
I doubt they would have Spartans, humans were so advanced they didn’t really need super soldiers.
Like the forerunners, they had “combat skins” from what I believe
That completely eliminated the need for super soldiers
timber vapor
But wouldn't they want political figures like in the og universe
versed helm
Im sure they had
timber vapor
Like a kind of hope in times of war
carmine sleet
@versed helm They're spamming links to it in here now
timber vapor
Stop advertising your own things in discord you can get banned
gaunt oakBOT
jesus.X.jesus#1956 has been banned.
timber vapor
Speak of the devil
carmine sleet
Anyway, what were you lot talking about? Combat skins?
timber vapor
We were talking about in a universe were forunners got the mantle would Hum ans have spartans
(And precursors are alive)
*Humans
versed helm
if the forerunners got the mantle, the precursors were still alive, and the spartans also ther
wait. is the didact still there
and forthencho
The forerunners killed all the precursors
timber vapor
But what if they didn't
versed helm
A few were alive
The primordial
carmine sleet
They're talking about a hypothetical situation where the Forerunners didn't kill them
versed helm
oh, sorry
carmine sleet
No need to apologise, you did kinda jump in in the middle of it
timber vapor
So yeah woudn't they have had spartans as a kind of political figure in times of war just like in the original universe
They could be even more advanced spartans
carmine sleet
Spartans weren't political figures within the UNSC
carmine sleet
Being a hero doesn't make someone a political figure
timber vapor
What i mean is politics would use master chief to assure people that the war was in their favour so why not ancient humanity
carmine sleet
That's called propaganda
timber vapor
Call it what you want but they would have some kind of form of spartan if we were to follow this make-up universe so that it fits the OG ubniverses's storyline
*Universe
carmine sleet
No like, propaganda is literally what you described. They use it to try and assure people things are going well or to recruit people or for other uses
versed helm
see, the librarian evolves chief to the level of ancient humans
in terms of strength and all
not lifespan
timber vapor
Not fully though
carmine sleet
Chief didn't suddenly become even stronger when the Librarian granted him immunity to the Composer
timber vapor
In the game you dont see him running faster or punching harder
versed helm
because he was already far stronger than a normal person, thanks to the spartan training
she says "you need to evolve more", or something like tht
before forced evolving him
timber vapor
So he didn't gain strength just immunities to the composer
sharp adder
If he was at aciiten humanity strengthened and everything rip for the cover ant and promethans
versed helm
yeah
dude, he already rips apart the covies
and the prometheans the ancient humans fought and the ones chief fought are different
timber vapor
You mean forunners fought
timber vapor
Ancient humanity didn't fight the prometheans
versed helm
prometheans in those days were warrior class forerunners
timber vapor
The forunners did
versed helm
DUDE
carmine sleet
Ancient Humanity fought the Warrior-Servant Prometheans, not the constructs we see in the games
versed helm
yeah
timber vapor
The promeatheans we know in the games were made after ancient humanity went exctinct
As a means to fight back the flood
versed helm
yeah
timber vapor
So ancient Humanity didn't fight the promeatheans Modern Humanity did
versed helm
prometheans in the old days were warrior class forerunners
prometheans now are the robot ones with forerunner and human consciousness in them
ancient humanity lost to the flesh and blood prometheans
and were composed into the robot prometheans
timber vapor
Ancient humanity didn't fight either as the creator ones were all but gone and the robo ones were made after Ancient humanity went exctinct
The INDEXED humans were turned into Robo-prometheans
versed helm
there is a proper chapter in primordium where forthencho recounts how the didact told him he would be indexed to help fight the flood
timber vapor
And in Halo Legends it explains this
versed helm
it explains that in the books as well
carmine sleet
Humans that were indexed were not turned into Promethean Knights
versed helm
there are 2 ancient humanities in talks here
carmine sleet
Humans that were composed are the ones that became Knights
carmine sleet
They didn't compose the humans that fought the Forerunners, they "devolved" them
timber vapor
I am so confused
versed helm
not all the fighters were devolved
timber vapor
My head hurts
carmine sleet
The Ur-Didact then came back later and composed a bunch of them to increase the numbers of his Prometheans
versed helm
YES
FINALLY
the librarian then placed the geas of the fighting humans in the shipping humans
like how forthencho's geas was in chakas
timber vapor
Im out my head hurts and im hungry
versed helm
kek
terse lava
likely went off to work/school/college
versed helm
forerunner saga was like the first thing i read of the expanded universe and still i know absolutely nothing about it
carmine sleet
That's not exactly the best place to start when it comes to expanded universe stuff to be fair
versed helm
yeah true
i feel a lot more comfortable in the civilian life aspect of the universe
which there is criminally little of
if infinite doesnt have good stop and talk missions i will cry
carmine sleet
I feel like those missions would've been better if they were part of other missions, as a breather at the end or something like that before going onto the next one
versed helm
same
or like
no missions
open world stuff with no fire zones
Again I still listen to I Love Bees on my spare time because I love the worldbuilding in it
like it feels like human culture 500 years from now
it especially does a good job at building earth as a place home to snobby rich elitist xenophobic people
which has always facinated me about the idea of an interstellar humanity
Given the current state of earth, the fact that people imagine we will have a culture 500 years from now kinda leaves me with mixed feels
in the haloverse earth is basically the same as now but just its worst impulses multiplied by 4000 and also directed outward instead of solely at itself
Aye
Ancient humanity was the same
expanded too much
Kamal's story in I Love Bees was super interesting as an immigrant on a student visa.
Haven't heard of that. Is it a podcast?
JDJSJSNSNSJSJ
......
audio drama
what behemoth have i awakend this time?
ah
kek
basically it was the birth of the modern ARG
wort's ARG?
Alternate reality game: a game that denies that there is a difference between the game world and the real one.
ill give some baclstory
Please do
Otherwise I'll come to some messed up conclusions
E3 2003? 2004 maybe im not sure. But the trailer for halo 2 at the end flashed the url "www.ilovebees.com" instead of "www.xbox.com"
O
easter egg much
the url led to a beekeeping website tht had been corrupted by an AI fragment
holy s-h-i-t that sounds kinda cool
aw phooey
the site's offline
The in universe explaination is that an ONI prowler called the UNSC Apocolypso was blown to bits out of slipspace by a trojan horse covenant ai called the seeker planted on a forerunner device found in deepspace.
I never heard this before
and?
the onboard AI melissa was based off of the mind of someone eho likely suffered from Dissociative Identity Dissorder- Once known as multiple personality disorder, so her personaluty fragmented and split off due to the experience, and the slipspace disaster threw those fragments across time and space.
and one/a bunch of those fragments ended up in our time and space
The prowler was orbiting earth at the time, so all the parts ended up in boston.
THATS SO COOL
but not the boston part
all over earth would've been better
obsidian thistle
Oh we talking ILBs?
versed helm
one fragment, the sleeping princess, alongside the covenant ai, were thrown to 2004 and trapped in a bee keepers website.
obsidian thistle
The 2004 parts are ace. While not 100% one to one with our 2004, its real close.
versed helm
another, nicknamed Durga, ended up on the personal com pad of a highschooler named Jersey
obsidian thistle
Well not really a highschooler xD But close enough.
versed helm
and yes CIA, Its my personal mission in life to canonize I Love Bees and everything it entails
jersey is 17?
obsidian thistle
18
versed helm
ohhhh yeah nvm ur rite
obsidian thistle
And ILBs be canon yo
versed helm
there are rough edges
||spartan 2 class 2||
||spartan augmentations being passed on to offspring||
obsidian thistle
Well most rough edges can be tossed to rampant/broken AI.
Spartan 2 Class 2 "can" work.
And its suggested the 1.1s were auged a tad at birth.
So while it doesnt explain everything. It helps
versed helm
we never learn what herzog's assistaint finds on reach- what Standish is doing in with the Spartan 2 Program
🤔 🤔 🤔
and our only canon sprtan 2 from class 2 conviniently dies with the apocolypso
obsidian thistle
The TLDR version is.
If the narrative is the Axon chapters. They are canon as canon can be.
If the narrative is one of the Mellissa frags. Then they can be touted as unreliable.
There is also what I dub the "Butterfly effect" explaination. A thing that Frankie said that was recorded.
AI frags going back changing stuff by accident essentially.
obsidian thistle
But class 2 does have a lil more lore beyond ILBs. Dr. Halseys version had candidates that disapointed her. So she scrapped "her" version.
obsidian thistle
If we go by that Halsey wasnt part of Class 2. Then it works.
If Halsey is involved Class 2 has a lotta issues.
If Halsey is not. Class 2 is a lot more open.
versed helm
which is why i bring up standish's reach project
no halsey means more reqruits and less oversight
standish is known for being an inhumane overseeer of section 2
and less oversight explains Jan and the other Spartan 1 children being targeted
because as we learn in hunt the truth- class one and the start of class 2 there were 0 inner colony kids nabbed
Jan isnt just an earth native- she lives outside of Boston
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Wait a min.
So, are the II kids the kids of ORION subjects?
This sheds some light into the changes into the reqruiting peramiters made if standish took charge of class 2
no
there are 16 Spartan 1.1s
1.1?
you mean ORION, right?
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Spartan I is another name for the Orion Program's soldiers
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yeah. that i know
who are the 1.1s?
1.1 refers to children of 2 spartan 1 subjects
ohh
like, if johnson had a kid
the kid would be a 1.1
with another orion
yes
ah
today i learnt
so, whos the s-2 class 2?
and what does class 2 mean?
kids of S-IIs?
class one is the 75 spartain 2s we know
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No. It would be another group of kids taken to become Spartan IIs, separate to the original group of S-IIs
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class 2 is a second attempt with the same methods