its unfixable
#lore-and-universe
versed helm
stoic hamlet
which is why they made the later suits for supersoldiers.
mellow flame
@versed helm I thought the suit locking up was to help with the fall from space
versed helm
it locked up on crash landing, i think
stoic hamlet
it makes no real sense
versed helm
the gel layer locked up
stoic hamlet
in Infinite, I mean
mellow flame
I watched a video on it, i'm pretty sure that's a genuine feature in the suit, not a malfunction.
stoic hamlet
the reactor of the Mark IV canwork for 15 continuous years.
versed helm
yeah, gel lock for shock dampening is
gilded mason
I'm guessing some Created/Forerunner mumbo-jumbo did it
versed helm
the fact that it worked again means it got shut down due to some giga EMP or somethig
stoic hamlet
unless he personally powered down the suit in Infinite, it shouldn't have been powered down at all.
mellow flame
Noble six had a re-entry kit, chiefs suit basically has a more primitive version of a re-entry feature by locking the suit up.
stoic hamlet
it's EMP resistant, all UNSC gear is, but yeah, probably Forerunner.
versed helm
forerunner EMP aint the normal stuff
mellow flame
@keen canopy Yes I know, but that suggests noble six's armor cant lock up, he needs a re-entry kit. Maybe.
keen canopy
He can lock it up
mellow flame
6 is a 3 right?
keen canopy
He does it in tip of the spear
gilded mason
6 is a 3 right?
Ye
mellow flame
@keen canopy Noble 6 locks up? I don't remember that.
mellow flame
@versed helm That's different
mellow flame
It's a literally just the armor lock ability from reach, just without consent lmao.
versed helm
and if it can be artificially made, then it cant be that hard to imagine something similar happening in space warfare
mellow flame
But chief doesn't get all electrified in h3, like in reach and h5.
keen canopy
Gameplay != canon
keen canopy
Indeed
To survive the fall
After "surfing the door" as Bungie put it
@mellow flame the gameplay "Armor Lock" is actually a type of energy shielding technology reverse-engineered from the Covenant
It's completely different to Mjolnir's locking functionality
TIL
terse lava
speaking of the keyship door, as it ever been addressed what became of all the san shyuum priests and others when the vessel left high charity?
keen canopy
It was stated somewhere that most San Shyuum died on High Charity
Broken circle maybe?
terse lava
well yes, but outside of contact harvest, we never hear on these priests again
surely they kept doing their stuff until the civil war
unique rune
That sounds more like it'd be a line from Shadow of Intent, I think.
terse lava
broken circle does mention it to
unique rune
Ah, okay. Been too long since I read Broken Circle.
mellow flame
@keen canopy That's what I was saying, it's similar to lockes device, and different from the spartans re-entry locking feature.
unique rune
Huh.
Interesting.
Never noticed that Rtas' sword on the cover of Shadow of Intent has a handguard on it.
Looks similar to the Prophets' Bane.
keen canopy
Mjolnir's armor lock doesn't involve any energy shielding, whereas Armor Lockup and Locke's lock do
Like i said Mjolnir's armor lock, and the "Armor Lockup" module have no relation @versed helm
unique rune
keen canopy
Could have sworn Locke's lock had some kind of energy shield interaction
Can someone check
The scene when Locke used Locke's Lock to Lock Buck?
Or when John used Locke's lock to lock Locke?
unique rune
TIL Halo CE and 2 CCS-class only have two bow fins instead of the now-common four.
unique rune
Probably related to the pattern. Truth and Reconciliation retroactively uses the four-fin type with CEA, and the other two known Ket-pattern sport the four-fin bow.
This whole pattern sort of thing is really quite interesting, especially with how the CRS-class is a mutation of CCS patterns.
terse lava
well, figured the 4 fin was an older model due to we have the larger ors cruiser with 4 fins from thousands of years ago
think the ones on the cover of Broken Circle have that too
would need to double check that
yep they do
unique rune
It'd make sense if the four-fin type was a bit older, I think. In production for a longer period of time so they'd probably be more common.
terse lava
yep
the newer 2 fin model was likely only coming out during the decades in the war
Truth and Rec was even mentioned as being comissioned by Regret
versed helm
regret sure regretted everything
rancid delta
@versed helm nice
versed helm
truth lied a lot
keen canopy
Hi guys did you know that regret showed regret truth lied mercy was merciful and in noble team the heavy weapon specialist died in an explosion the brains of the team got headshotted the leader went down with the ship the sniper disappeared and the cqb specialist got stabbed and the lone wolf died alone haha
^every YouTube comment ever
rancid delta
Truth planned Regrets death so he had evidence that the Elites were not useful. Essentially, Truth planned the Great Schism
umbral citrus
can’t believe the ancient prophets were able to ally with humans by really persuasive and also hot
or at least that’s how i read it
rancid delta
Elites are alive
Most of them removed the suffix -ee to signify their resignation from the Covenant
Ancient Humans would absolutely destroy the Covenant
Example Thel Vadamee became Thel Vadam
rancid delta
@versed helm the freaking flood ruined it all
versed helm
that goshdarn varmint sure did
sharp adder
If there was no flood the forerunners would have been sent back to the age before the stone age
versed helm
...............how?
rancid delta
@sharp adder yeah how?
sharp adder
Because humans always find a way
true shadow
i know this isn't lore but i wanted to say it anyway... I don't think i've ever heard the master chief firefight voice
versed helm
meaning?
terse lava
guessing they simply have not heard the chief's voice you can get in firefight in reach, as for the other subject, without the flood, humanity would still lose to the forerunners
they were never going to win
umbral citrus
but without the flood they wouldn’t be fighting the forerunners in the first place really
versed helm
No
The forerunners attacked because the humans were expanding too fast
they didnt know the humies were running from the flood
umbral citrus
yes but they’d be expanding too fast to escape the flood
so without that there’s no spark for conflict
or at least not one that’s not solvable
mental viper
The flood caused everything major in the galaxy
Except for the covenant
No flood no problem
Yes flood yes problem
umbral citrus
i mean if you look at a post forerunner universe as a result of the human-forerunner war then indirectly the flood caused the covenant
mental viper
Yeah
versed helm
basically, ur causes everything
half apex
now that someone mentioned it im trying to imagine primitive stone age forunners
wait is the pilot's name in the 2nd infinite trailer Brohammer?
unique rune
Brohammer is a fan nickname.
carmine sleet
He's also known as Dustin Echos as well (Another fan name)
carmine sleet
Yes
half apex
i've never heard anything about them
gusty mortar
Watch Halo Legends
unique rune
Legends doesn't cover pre-firing Sangheili other than maybe a brief scene or two of them in Origins.
carmine sleet
Aye, apart from that brief scene, everything showing Elites is post-firing
mellow flame
What part of the spartans armor holds the Fusion Reactor?
wicked pasture
The back
mellow flame
Alright, everyone keeps telling me if a spartan removes their armor (like shoulder pads, chest plate, knee pads, etc.) they lose all of their "extra power".
But nothing here (https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Mjolnir_Powered_Assault_Armor#cite_note-10) mentions that those specific pieces of armor provide extra power, it all comes from the tech suit underneath it.
versed helm
thats true
mellow flame
Titanium Alloy Outer Shell: The outer shell of the Mjolnir Armor is comprised of a fairly thick titanium alloy. This plating covers the chest, arms, hip, legs, calves, feet, and hands. This alloy is very resilient, can take significant punishment, and is nearly impervious to small arms fire. While enough shots from armor piercing rounds will breach the outer shell, the suit can take a few glancing blows from them without compromising the armor. The outer shell of all Mjolnir suits is covered with a refractive coating to help disperse the heat experienced from Covenant energy weapons. However one or two direct hits from any Plasma weapon will compromise the armor plating.
versed helm
removing any part of the suit reduces its overall effectiveness
even if its the hecking pelvic guard
removing it will make it weaker
it might be layered, but removing a part of any layer damages the overall suit integrity
mellow flame
The outer armor literally is just plated armor for protection, and can be removed without any disadvantage other than not being able to take damage. They can still run just as fast and be just as strong as if they had armor.
Keep in mind, im specifically referring to the plated armor on chest, arms, hip, legs, calves, feet, and hands..
mellow flame
Yes, but people are telling me they would no longer have "super spartan strength" and run much slower without that plated armor.
If they kept their tech suit, and all the layers underneath it, they would still have the full agility of a normal spartan (if not faster considering the shedded weight).
No, it was in this chat. And I specifically referred to "the plated armor", they swore up and down they would just be a "peak human" without the plated armor.
I even referenced this pic https://www.halopedia.org/images/a/a8/H5G-Techsuit_female.jpg
But with the tech suit, they're even stronger and faster.
They don't need the plated armor to have said boosts.
mellow flame
@versed helm Well, not exactly.
versed helm
yeah, they have skunkwork modded armour
versed helm
wait.....fire team osiris is S-V
mellow flame
Palmer is a S4
S-IV
So according to the reference, the fusion reactor in the "curiass" (chestplate) is what powers the tech suit (giving it it's full capabilities).
So I guess a spartan could go without all armor, except for the chest plate. (if they want those extra abilities)
versed helm
OOOOOFFF........
i confused s-4 and s5
crapuli
a spartan can go in basic marine armour
but wont be as effective
umbral citrus
just as a power move
mellow flame
Yes, but the tech suit (paired with a fusion reactor) provides them their max strength and speed.
versed helm
wait. define the tech suit.
versed helm
and the plate armour
mellow flame
Tech suit = literally everything under the plated armor (like shoulder plates, boots, calve armor, etc.)
mellow flame
Yes, hence the name tech suit. lol
versed helm
and the plate armour is just heavy armour
mellow flame
It's got that tech oomph
versed helm
but the armour increases the oomph
like, the basic strength is multiplied because of the armour
it gives extra momentum
mellow flame
But according to the reference I linked, it needs the chest piece (which powers the tech suit) to give the spartan it's extra strength and speed.
versed helm
yeah
it has the power core
cant work it without the power man
any it dept guy will tell you that
umbral citrus
spartans just strap toughbooks to their bodies
versed helm
the thrusters are there in later versions
or skunkmods
jetpacks are still mods
the base armour doesnt have them
mellow flame
I'm talking about a more primitive/natural/passive spartan ability. The extra "mobility features" like thrustors and jetpacks I don't care about.
Apparently the helmet has a neural link that activates the suit (the armor wont work without it)... but that's been debunked by literally every halo game since Reach.
umbral citrus
can’t have any HUD without the visor so you’re less situationally aware
just ignore the fact kat’s arm fell off
unique rune
The neural interface is there for AI interaction and basic IFF and tracking info, as well as vehicle operation.
It was never really key in making the armor do anything.
random cradle
It did not just fall off
mellow flame
Yes, but i'm digging into the technicalities of the suit for a fan fic. If a spartan needed to go into a PVE environment, strictly survival with no threat granting the presence of plated armor, what could a spartan ditch to go from "hijacking tanks" to "filtering lake water".
Theoretically, everything besides the chest plate. Right?
unique rune
They'd lose most of the shield distributors, but, technically, yes.
mellow flame
Yes, but the spartan doesn't need any armor. They're in a plain clothed environment, so theres no need for any defensive systems, because it's entirely PVE.
You don't exactly need shield distributors to fend from a mosquito bite.
terse lava
Would likely stick with boots, helmet, and gauntlet
umbral citrus
helmet probably has air filtration and a limited supply for underwater or polluted areas
mellow flame
The helmet can likely be kept (but not worn), and only used for situations like that.
The setting is going to be installation 06, that's being managed by a rampant monitor.
terse lava
This was for a 4 yes? Not a 2 or 3?
mellow flame
@terse lava Yes it's for a spartan 4
terse lava
Ok
unique rune
Ugh. I'd forgotten how ugly some of the early designs for MJOLNIR Mk. IV had been.
terse lava
Would still be ehh on putting it in a halo though, been done to death
umbral citrus
a journey is a journey no matter how trodden the path
terse lava
Plus, using another forerunner world means you can say, " this happened and canon camt say otherwise"
mellow flame
@terse lava It's not to avoid canon, it's to avoid interfering with the canon timeline.
terse lava
@mellow flamei know, but if the canon reaches there...
Its just my opinion, not going to try and stop you
mellow flame
@terse lava If canon reaches Installation 06, then the fan fic will just be less immersive. Not exactly the end of the world.
The reason I want 06 is because sentinels and a monitor need to be present.
Basically a "neutral" environment.
unique rune
Make something up, call it a Builder facility.
Bam. Sentinels and a Monitor would fit right in.
mellow flame
@versed helm It's a contradicting biome. Halopedia mentions it's a jungle with no water, but also mentions it's a tundra (tundras have no trees).
terse lava
He was still typing
mellow flame
It's all speculated by in-game textures and little mention from dialogue. But it is possible for a Halo to change biome.
gilded mason
The Halo Encyclopedia however states that it "appears to be a ring world covered in dense forest or jungle, similar to portions of Installations 04 and 05" but that "no recordings of its surface indicate any major water sources, so how this environment maintains viability remains unknown." This is further complicated by the Encyclopedia's basic description of the ring, which states that it has "tundra surface."
mellow flame
00 is the lesser ark.. right?
gilded mason
The original array worked differently
terse lava
Yea @mellow flame
gilded mason
I think the original rings were more focused blasts, or something?
unique rune
The older Senescent array fired in a linear direction, so they fired a series of pulses in different orientations
terse lava
Beam weapons
versed helm
I just had a thought,what do the various Covenant races call themselves in their own native languages since iirc,aren't most of the Covenant race names like Unggoy,Jiralhanae,etc Sangheili in origin?
unique rune
Neoteric fires in all directions
gilded mason
Hasn't been said.
terse lava
@versed helmhave asked that before myself, we have no clue
mellow flame
If it were said in another language we probably wouldn't even be able to spell it.
terse lava
We likely could
mellow flame
Spell what a car sounds like.
terse lava
Vroom😋
terse lava
My point t though would be it would be something eventually translated to english
unique rune
They can't necessarily be exactly translated between languages, sure, but the sounds can be approximated.
mellow flame
Yea, which is what "Unggoy, Jiralhanae" is.
terse lava
Yep
mellow flame
The english version of their names, Alucard wanted the literal native names (untranslated) lol
terse lava
Ah
unique rune
We already do it with human languages because writing systems and alphabets aren't 100% compatible.
terse lava
Yea, look at China or japan. Each symbol can mean multiple things
A perfect translation is very, very hard with any language if not improbable
gilded mason
The english version of their names, Alucard wanted the literal native names (untranslated) lol
All the "alien" names we see (unggoy, lekgolo), are their names in Sangheili, not their own language. He wanted to know what they called themselves (approximately), not what Sangheili called them.
gilded mason
"Unggoy: the Elite name for the Grunt race."
unique rune
Sangheili is the lingua franca of the Covenant, so they'd all be Sangheili names.
terse lava
@gilded masonthats what I have asked in the past as well, to no avail. Although oddly san shyuum was still used by forerunner translation for the forerunner trilogy
terse lava
They are in the covenant
versed helm
they hate each other
terse lava
It's the basic.language
mellow flame
The real question is why they all know english lmao
versed helm
hex be asking the real questions
terse lava
@mellow flamestudided human language
gilded mason
Many learned as part of military service
terse lava
Yep
terse lava
Decrees were given to learn human language for higher rank covenant
unique rune
Most of it is pretty much just for player convenience
versed helm
the kg yar dont unggoy
gilded mason
Nizat has his whole fleet learn English.
terse lava
@versed helmbecause they are in the covenant
unique rune
All Covenant member species speak Sangheili.
versed helm
that doesnt make sense
terse lava
Yea It does
gilded mason
What doesn't?
versed helm
the sangheli alphabet requires 4 jaws
terse lava
At the founding of the covenant, one of the agreements was sangheili would. BE the default language
unique rune
The Covenant is thousands of years old. Languages adapt.
mellow flame
I don't think they have 4 jaws, they just have a split jaw.
versed helm
and the brutes still mess up the elites, from time to time
gilded mason
And presumably, having four mandibles isn't a requiement to sound out the words.
versed helm
even before the schism
unique rune
Even humans have learned how to speak Sangheili.
terse lava
Mhm
versed helm
@gilded mason phyllis would claim otherwise
terse lava
Translators
unique rune
They vibrate
terse lava
Vibrations through the ground
versed helm
how would an elite know what they mean?
mellow flame
I like when the grunts speak english. On H5 they refer to halsey as "science human" or "science lady".
unique rune
Sound is vibrations. Just need to get the right frequency to approximate speech.
terse lava
It's more "felt" then heard, in other words the vibrations likely vibrate the ear drums just right
The primordial did into the didact after all
Well, parts of the didact's brain un that case
versed helm
Remind me,what was the name of that Elite Commander that dueled John?
versed helm
Is he still alive?
gilded mason
Unknown
versed helm
I'm noticing that there are a lot of high ranking Sangheili whose fates are unknown
gilded mason
But the fleetmaster he once served under now leads a Covenant faction that still believes in the Great Journey
mellow flame
I had a question about Sangheili ranks. In H5 most of the elites are "Storm Sangheili", so would there rank be "Storm"?..
gilded mason
The rank is Storm, yeah.
versed helm
What was the name of that fleetmaster?
gilded mason
Apparently it's some sorta shocktrooper role, I think?
unique rune
Yeah. Supposedly they existed within the old Covenant in that role, IIRC.
gilded mason
What was the name of that fleetmaster?
Luro 'Taralumee
mellow flame
Weird to say. How exactly do you address an elite? Do you call them by name, rank, both?
gilded mason
"Yo, my squidheaded brother!"
mellow flame
Like for humans you would say "Captain Keyes", Rank + Last Name
Or "Commander Palmer"
unique rune
Pretty sure it's generally similar for Sangheili.
mellow flame
Thel 'Lodamee is a Major, so do I call him Major 'Lodamee?
unique rune
Though the Storm and Warrior ranks sound a bit weird for it.
gilded mason
Though the Storm and Warrior ranks sound a bit weird for it.
Yeah
mellow flame
Yea, "Storm 'Lodamee"
versed helm
Will we ever see Sali Nyon again?
unique rune
s h r u g
gilded mason
Hope not
versed helm
What rank was he?
gilded mason
He was a Zealot
mellow flame
I watched all of H5's "extra dialogue" and they never address eachother by name.
Like in the infirmary, a patient just calls the elite medic "MeDiC".
I wish the game writers were on this discord lol. I want answers.
gilded mason
Ask Grim on Twitter? He might answer you.
versed helm
Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't doctors considered taboo in Sangheili culture?
mellow flame
Handle?
gilded mason
Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't doctors considered taboo in Sangheili culture?
It's complicated
mellow flame
@versed helm It used to be a dishonor to be a medic.
they would let eachother die in battle instead of attending to wounds.
gilded mason
There's some contradictory stuff out there, so I just say it's a regional thing that some cultures might believe.
mellow flame
Yea, I think your the one I talked to about it yesterday
gilded mason
Ye
versed helm
Aren't there some member of the SOS that still revere the Forerunners as gods?
gilded mason
Probably
versed helm
What is the average lifespan for a Forerunners that doesn't wear their armor?
ummm....
it depends
is the forerunner still a manipular?
or been imprinted upon?
and how many times?
Any rate
gilded mason
The waypoint page says "thousands of years", it might talk about their lifespan without armor, since they can apparently last indefinitely with it on
versed helm
yeah
So does an indefinite lifespan mean that they're immortal?
each imprint lengthens lifespan
not really
mellow flame
I believe I read somewhere that some in SOS still worship the forerunners, but follow the arbiter.
versed helm
ancient humans lived upto a 1000, i believe
mellow flame
I guess Arbiter is taking the role of liberator and introducing rights to religion and equality, etc.
Considering female elites might be making their way into the lore.
versed helm
So,how many Guardians did Cortana send to Earth?
mellow flame
How many? wouldn't she just send one to each desired location?
versed helm
I wonder how we might free Earth from Cortana's grip
gilded mason
Blow it up. Now she can't have it.
mellow flame
By giving her a smooch
versed helm
I'm starting to think that we should've let Del Rio decommission Cortana
gilded mason
"Del Rio was right."
mellow flame
Well, the story might lead to chief preserving her.
unique rune
I mean.
If she'd been decommissioned then the Didact would still be going on a human composition spree.
mellow flame
Cortana could still be an ally.
gilded mason
Cortana could still be an ally.
No
severe lodge
Just tell Cortana "undid iridium"
mellow flame
Well she's shown no ill intent towards chief and his team.
gilded mason
She's already unapologetically murdered millions of people.
mellow flame
Yea, but she still has an attachment to the chief.
carmine sleet
Cortana also actively tried to kill Osiris multiple times
unique rune
An attachment to Chief... and not in a good way.
carmine sleet
Just because Cortana doesn't want to harm Chief, doesn't mean she's still on our side
gilded mason
Yea, but she still has an attachment to the chief.```
If John had any possible sense at all, that wouldn't matter to him.But the ability to make exceptions in her ultimate plan, still shows potential to preserve her.
unique rune
But why preserve her?
mellow flame
Because she's chiefs AI.
gilded mason
No, it just shows she's a genocidal monster that likes one person.
And even then, likes that person and still does things against their will.
mellow flame
She's a valuable character, what could possibly replace her if we end her?
unique rune
A new, different AI.
One that preferably isn't bent on oppressing all organic life in the galaxy.
carmine sleet
She has an attachment to Chief from the time she spent with him before her demise during Halo 4. The rampant fragment we're dealing with is not the same Cortana and is more than willing to kill anyone that stands in her way of keeping Chief "safe"
versed helm
yep
gilded mason
""""""""""""safe""""""""""""
mellow flame
An AI with just as much significance to the universe as chief, idk about that.
gilded mason
lol
carmine sleet
Thanks for the reminder, Ostral
gilded mason
👍
versed helm
we see the urge to keep chief safe when she traps him in a cryptum
You know,why didn't The Librarian cure Cortana of her rampancy?
carmine sleet
Either way, there is no way of redeeming her in this story that won't feel unearned or shoehorned in to "restore the status quo". Which if you ask me, we kinda need things to change
unique rune
She's kinda got a whole 'yandere' archetype thing going on for Chief now and I don't think it's in anyone's best interests to keep her operational.
carmine sleet
The Librarian can't cure rampancy, Alucard
carmine sleet
You don't cure it
Decommissioning an AI is basically a kindness to an AI so that it doesn't go through the whole "Thinking itself to death" process
mellow flame
Maybe chief will "save/fix her", and then the UNSC will try to decommission her for her doings. Then chief will try defending her from the UNSC.
gilded mason
No thank you.
carmine sleet
That's not going to happen, Hex
carmine sleet
Indeed, plus, Chief isn't exactly an expert on AI so how he would somehow fix her is beyond me
mellow flame
Yall are actually the most boring people ever lmao
The same people that say locke is dull... All of you are Locke lmao
gilded mason
I'm just lookin' at it morally and narratively. 😋
unique rune
Not all endings have to be 'happy'.
carmine sleet
I actually like Locke as a character, just wish he was handled better in Halo 5
mellow flame
Not all endings have to be an ending.
carmine sleet
Plus what Nova and Ostral have said too
Then it's not an ending if it's not an ending
versed helm
I wish that Halo 5 handled Jul better
mellow flame
Without cortana, there is no threat. Halo is borderline over at that point.
unique rune
Maybe not an ending for Chief and the rest of the Halo universe, but for Cortana...
There's still plenty of threats to go around. Covenant remnants, Insurrection, the Flood's bound to return at some point.
carmine sleet
New threats will rise u- Wait? Hex, you said you wanted Cortana to be good again. How does redeeming Cortana somehow not conflict with what you just said
mellow flame
@carmine sleet Because then the UNSC become the new threat.
unique rune
carmine sleet
Yeah... No. That's not what will happen. Chief has no reason to turn on them
mellow flame
beats up locke
carmine sleet
And even when Del Rio was trying to decommission Cortana, he was still loyal to them
He was trying to stop Locke from getting in the way, he clearly wasn't interested in fighting him until Locke said Cortana wasn't Chief's problem
And that was before Chief knew what Cortana's plan was
versed helm
The Chief vs Locke fight was pathetic
gilded mason
Though to be honest, I thought John attacking Locke for that was pretty silly.
mellow flame
Maybe it'll even spark a human civil war, some siding with chief, the rest wanting to end Cortana.
@versed helm Yea, he didn't throw locke around enough.
unique rune
Pfft. Humanity doesn't need any other reasons to fight itself. The Insurrection is still alive and well.
mellow flame
We never see the insurrection though.
carmine sleet
There won't be a human civil war over Chief and Cortana
That would feel very forced
mellow flame
Just an example of a threat guy
Something more unique and interesting than insurrectionists and recycled covenant.
Hell, even the arbiter could take chiefs side.
UNSC helped arbiter with his civil war, Arbiter can help chief with his.
carmine sleet
The UNSC only helped in two known occasions, once early on, and once during the events of Halo 5
gilded mason
UNSC helped arbiter with his civil war
One that they kinda caused and was also being effected by.
mellow flame
UNSC didn't cause the civil war, the arbiter did.
carmine sleet
ONI (Which is part of the UNSC) was supplying weapons to certain extremest groups on Sanghelios in the early days of the Sangheili Civil War
gilded mason
We have no idea how the skirmishes would have played out if Kilo-5 didn't give weapons to a powerless faction and cause general uproar by their various actions on Sanghelios.
unique rune
ONI: "Go fight each other so we don't have to worry about you fighting us"
gilded mason
For all we know, things would have eventually died down when nobody had the guts to go against him.
mellow flame
Why would the UNSC help fight against the arbiter, if the arbiter was fighting for the sake of a human treaty?
gilded mason
And then it happened anyway. Funny how this sorta thing always backfires. 😋
mellow flame
More of a reason for the Arbiter to take chiefs side lmao
versed helm
I wonder,does Thel know about ONI supplying weapons to those extremist factions?
gilded mason
Why would the UNSC help fight against the arbiter
Because the Kilo-5 books are silly.
unique rune
ONI does these things as... protective measures.
carmine sleet
Again, Chief isn't against the UNSC, Hex
mellow flame
@carmine sleet You do realize it's a hypothetical scenario right?
lunar condor
Because humans have in all of modern history armed extremists to destabilize economies and political spheres
mellow flame
Hypothetical scenario: Chief somehow preservers cortana and shes back to "normal", UNSC wants to decommission her, chief dont like that and goes on the run. UNSC hunts him down, some parts of UNSC dont want to, starting civil war. Arbiter helps chief fight said civil war.
mellow flame
So your not interested in fighting alongside SOS against ill-intent UNSC?
lunar condor
Im not interested in the story a lego game would have no
mellow flame
By that your referring to the "sci-fi" movies im assuming?
unique rune
I'm still just against the bit about Chief opposing the UNSC over Cortana. Would be a bit of a character regression for him.
lunar condor
I mean the Chief going on the run from the UNSC is a thing that would never happen
unique rune
well it sorta already happened in 5
lunar condor
If anything the chief would want to be the one ti decomission cortana
After what she did
As a last courtesy of sorts
mellow flame
@unique rune Well, not exactly against the UNSC. The UNSC would be split, so basically half the USNC vs half the UNSC, SOS and chief.
lunar condor
The UNSC would split because 1 soldier wants to save an AI?
unique rune
But that doesn't really change that Chief's motivation would be a step in the wrong direction for him as a character.
lunar condor
This is on the level of storytelling that videos about which anime character is stronger have
mellow flame
@lunar condor It would split because chief is the core of the SOS Human alliance.
gilded mason
chief is the core of the SOS Human alliance.
What?
unique rune
Pfffffft. 'Vadam is the key element there, not Chief.
mellow flame
The humans would have never allied with the Arbiter if it weren't for chief... Actually, the humans wouldn't even exist if it werent for chief.
gilded mason
The humans would have never allied with the Arbiter if it weren't for chief
That was Johnson and Miranda
mellow flame
And how did Johnson and Miranda come to meet the arbiter.
unique rune
Chief's only instrumental in the UNSC-SoS alliance in that he was the cause of Thel's downfall that put him in a position to meet the pair.
He hasn't really had any involvement otherwise.
carmine sleet
Arbiter was forced to work with Johnson due to both of them wanting to stop Tartarus and because Arbiter knew the truth about the rings thanks to Spark, he decided it was better to work with humanity against the Covenant
mellow flame
Completely off topic, why did the gravemind take the arbiter (alongside chief)?
gilded mason
He was keeps tabs on him and figured he'd be useful.
carmine sleet
Heck, Arbiter rescued Johnson and a squad of marines from a pack of Brutes. That wasn't Arby's plan, sure, but due to this, Johnson was more than willing to ask him for help
gilded mason
And fell right into him.
mellow flame
So, did the gravemind orchestrate the alliance?
carmine sleet
Gravemind orchestrated a plan to try and stop the Covenant from firing the ring
mellow flame
So he set chief and arby on the right path to stop them.?
unique rune
It was pretty much pure coincidence that Johnson and Miranda were the ones that Tartarus and his Brutes had brought along.
gilded mason
Arbiter, at least. John's path turned out to be a dead end
mellow flame
Also, where was that gravemind scene?
gilded mason
Start of the level, "Gravemind"
mellow flame
Was it in some random sector of space, or was it on that planet of where chief was?
gilded mason
Under 05's Library
carmine sleet
Have you played Halo 2, Hex? Because it's a very important scene in that game
mellow flame
@carmine sleet Very long time ago, as a kid I never entirely understood the setting of that scene.
Hence why im asking.
keen canopy
Graveminds plan:
Send John to High Charity. Maybe he finds the index there, maybe not. (He ended getting pretty close) but what he will do is cause a whole lot of chaos and destruction that Gravemind could use to his advantage when infecting High Charity.
Send Thel to the control room, where the Brutes are slaughtering his people, which will hopefully convince Thel to doubt the Prophets and stop the Brutes from activating the ring if the Index does make it there.
maiden flame
indeed
light quail
Would it have been possible for a Pelican to wait for Six as he shot down the Covenant cruiser?
You know, like near the Onager?
So when the Covenant cruiser is shot down, Six could swiftly board the Pelican and arrive in the Pillar of Autumn as it undocks
unique rune
Potentially, but the timing would have to be really tight. Plus there’s the risk of the Pelican getting hit by a Banshee, Phantom, or something else.
light quail
I mean, Six did manage to walk all the way to the cliff from the Onager by the time the Pillar of Autumn fully undocked
light quail
So... one Spartan is not worth the risk of a single Pelican?
light quail
The Autumn wouldn’t need to wait
unique rune
I dunno, you’d probably still have to delay it a bit.
keen canopy
The Autumn was literally on a launch sequence
unique rune
Even if B312 sprinted to the Pelican as fast as he could, the time it’d take for the Pelican to catch up with the Autumn puts the ship even more at risk.
keen canopy
"My countdown has no abort"
light quail
@keen canopy There is a small window between the cruiser being shot down and the Pillar undocking. What I stated was a Pelican be waiting by the Onager as the cruiser was shot down, not have a Pelican come out of the Autumn and take Six after he finishes
keen canopy
Think about it like this
Did you see the cutscene where Keyes'second pelican was shot down?
And then
Did you see how crowded the airspace was around the Onager
light quail
Honestly working off memory of the game from when it first came out on 360
Haven’t progressed as far on MCC
Doing legendary solo
Curses Sabre part
Also, how did Jun get off Reach?
Book wise, he didn’t arrive with Halsey at Castle Base if I’m correct
carmine sleet
Unknown
slate egret
there was a fan comic which, as far as i know, is kind of canon since it is advertised on halowaypoint. he escaped with an space elevator. the comic is for free up there so u could look it up
carmine sleet
The fan comic is not officially canon and didn't say how he got off Reach
slate egret
didnt it show this elevator?
unique rune
Fistful of Arrows isn’t considered canon, but Bungie and 343 have made some little nods to it on occasion
slate egret
then i mixed sth up
unique rune
And, yeah, it doesn’t really detail how he got off Reach. Just them reaching Castle Base and Jun going off to kill Covenant and keep them away from the base plus giving a bit more to his history.
obsidian thistle
Yea we have no idea how Jun got off Reach.
Closest thing we have is Frankies non-canon reason.
carmine sleet
All they've said is that the details are covered in black ink, right?
I did not know about Frank's non-canon reason
light quail
Idk, a space elevator doesn’t make much sense to me. Didn’t the Covenant have complete control over the space above Reach? Unless he somehow found a prowler in or near Castle base...
carmine sleet
Aye, just saw someone who said this should be added to Halopedia while checking replies
keen canopy
The idea was to acknowledge that there are ways he could have escaped.
obsidian thistle
Yep. xD
carmine sleet
At the end of the day, I feel like telling us how he escaped from Reach might not live up to the expectations of the community, given how long it's been since we first learnt he survived
keen canopy
Indeed, not everything has to be explained. Piecing things together is half the fun of being a lore fan
light quail
I wonder if Red and Gauntlet team made it off Reach?
Forgot the name of the last one
light quail
The Spartan teams aiding in the evac of civilian ships
keen canopy
Gauntlet Red and Echo
carmine sleet
It's unknown if those teams made it off of Reach. It is speculated that they're the 13 Spartan bodies found on Lone Wolf though
light quail
Wasn’t that supposed to be the Spartan IIs?
keen canopy
No
They were in a different place on Reach entirely
I'm pretty sure we know where all of S-II Red team ended up
Not sure about the S-III red though
carmine sleet
That's part of the reason why it's speculated S-III Red and the other S-III teams mentioned died in the area Lone Wolf takes place
carmine sleet
Aye, quite possible, given the gear lying around the area
stoic hamlet
One Spartan made it off Reach, Kevin A-282
patent lynx
jun though?
terse lava
rip kevin
light quail
😮
stoic hamlet
He’s still alive as of 2553, IIRC
noble fjord
do Forerunner A.I. suffer from Rampancy?
stoic hamlet
Yes
noble fjord
because compared to UNSC smart A.I. they seem to keep themselves together for far longer
keen canopy
I want a story of how Marcus Stacker and Buck made it off Reach, perhaps together as they were both last seen in New Alexandria.
(Seeing as I'm in the Stacker was never on the PoA camp)
noble fjord
granted Forerunner tech is... forerunner
light quail
Forerunner ancilla were meant to last for a long time
They were tech tier 1 correct?
And the UNSC at tech 2?
keen canopy
Yeah, Precursors being tier 0
keen canopy
Aren't UNSC tier 2 postwar?
gilded mason
Nope
keen canopy
TIL
terse lava
that's a negative
light quail
What I’m curious about is the Shaw-Fujikawa drive. So it punches through dimensions as a way of entering slipspace?
fair hazel
we havent really seen much of that tier system and in practice being applied
old unsc was like punchign
light quail
Now the part that confuses me is that the slipspace drive doesn’t “accelerate” through slipspace but rather the ship’s thrusters. Slipspace is another dimension. But we know that slipspace travel also decreases the time it would take to travel from point A to point B
So is distance just shortened in slipspace or what?
carmine sleet
Distance is weird in slipspace
light quail
Unreliable weird? Like two ships wouldn’t arrive at the same time thru slipspace if traveling from point A to point B?
stoic hamlet
Yeah
Well, they might arrive at the same time but in different places
IIRC three other UNSC ships followed the In Amber Clad to Delta Halo, one overshot, one went missing, and the third actually arrived.
fair hazel
the more advanced your tech the more accurate it is though
stoic hamlet
Yeah
light quail
Missing? So there’s an inherent risk in slipspace travel
Does it get stuck in slipspace
carmine sleet
Slipspace drive mounted improperly can also cause issues
light quail
So theoretically, is it possible for a ship to somehow get deposited into one of the 11 dimensions of slipspace on accident despite the engines and slipspace drive functioning/mounted correctly?
terse lava
happened even to the forerunners
ugh filthy filter
One battle with the flood caused forerunner vessels to become
trapped
halfway through it
noble fjord
Can UNSC Infinity take on a Covenant Supercarrier?
gilded mason
Nope
Well, depends on who can get the first real shot in.
And energy projectors have better range and maneuverability, so my money is on that one.
terse lava
going with the carrier
noble fjord
uhhh... why was my message deleted?
terse lava
filter I am guessing
gilded mason
Oh, can't say the initials either
terse lava
hm?
gilded mason
For that series
noble fjord
I asked how Colony made the Hunter Captains considering hunter's like being bonded
terse lava
the ones for the big movie?
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
ah yep
noble fjord
like I get how he made the goliath (albeit it was apparently forcing 2 hunters into 1 armor set/form. but I don't see how the captain can operate on its own
terse lava
well, hunters are not bonded until they grow too big for their armor
if they get to big, then some of the colony would be put into a new suit of armor, thus a bond brother
the captains could either not be big enough, or their worms are being put into other things
besides, think it's implied they are controlled by colony
fair hazel
or anotehr captain pair
terse lava
mhm
noble fjord
Colony and the other Banished Commanders are interesting but also at times confusing
fair hazel
not enough details?
noble fjord
Most definitely
granted a big question I have for the entire series is why so many vehicles in the two games just are nowhere to be found in the other games
or even mentioned in unrelated books as far as I can tell
terse lava
in reality, they wren't thought up yet or time constraints prevented them from being put in
in-universe, big universe, won't encounter everything
there are types of banshees humanity has never encountered for example, only known thanks to looking over covenant records
fair hazel
and sometimes the stuff are operating togehter, needle rifles and carbiens
noble fjord
this is true
fair hazel
just not shown in game
noble fjord
the RTS games have some of my favorite stories and characters but some of them coughs the banished commanders, lack in the in-depth lore department
unique rune
Just imagine how wonderfully painful it’d be to get a game that tries to represent the Halo universe as accurately as possible
noble fjord
heck even bungies games can't represent their own universe as accurately as possible... because Plasma can't be realistically be represented in the games without making the UNSC weapons look like toys
terse lava
heck, even the primitve brute weapons are not shown well
noble fjord
in the books did they ever explain why brutes use the brute plasma rifle? (why it's different?) I haven't looked too far into it
gilded mason
Truth had them manufactured in secret for the Schism
terse lava
it was an upgrade allowed by Truth, built through the sacred promissiory forge on High Charity to help prepare the brutes
carmine sleet
They're modified to have a higher rate of fire than standard Plasma Rifles but at the cost of overheating faster
noble fjord
Truth probably knew the schism was going to happen the instant he replaced elite honor guards with brutes
gilded mason
He had been planning it for a long time.
terse lava
yep, thus far the sangheili gave no threats of an armed uprising
just that they would resign from the council
makes me wonder what would have happened had truth not gone full nutjob
noble fjord
It was pretty crazy if you ask me. While I cannot deny the usefulness of brutes. The Sangheili know the Covenant ships a lot better.
terse lava
I think it was said best by the minsiter of discovery
"One need not worry what a sangheili would do then one would worry about the sun rising the next day"
they were the perfect guard
and did their duty well
noble fjord
Their level of honor is one of my favorite things about them
gilded mason
Truth was growing more and more worried about the Elites' views on the war and their increased questioning.
noble fjord
a nice piece of detail I personally appreciate is Ship Master Let'Volir's Honor Guards hate the idea of being "Mercenaries" for the banished
gilded mason
Ah, Let 'Volir. What a wasted character.
gilded mason
true lol
noble fjord
so he still has the potential to see some use
carmine sleet
And Let has a great voice actor
terse lava
I hate how they gave him, what 2 sentences
gilded mason
Basically
unique rune
Don’t jinx him
he’s gonna get knifed in the first mission of Infinite now
gilded mason
i cri
terse lava
I mean, we never see what Let does during this whole time, during the attack/being attacked by the humans, and later the flood outbreak
carmine sleet
Nova, no! We can't let Sangheili Reinhardt die like that
noble fjord
Why do the banished have so many characters that I like...
Let'Volir, Pavium, Voridus, Colony, Atriox
Colony as a character in concept alone being one of my favorite non-human halo characters, simply because... it's a hunter that isn't just a meat shield on the front lines
terse lava
colony is pretty cool
noble fjord
also 2 claps for 343i for remembering Hunters don't talk... so they explained how Colony "Talks"
shadow gull
Hey guy, just a real quick question, what do you guys think about the flood somehow coming to infinite again?
gilded mason
Probably a bit too soon.
noble fjord
it's a strange topic...
On one hand yeah it's really early
but on the other hand, is it even possible to have a game on Zeta Halo without Flood at least being mentioned?
gilded mason
I'm sure they'll be mentioned, at least
terse lava
maybe some flood will appear in tubes and the such, samples and testing
noble fjord
I'd say the better question is if mendicant bias will be mentioned considering... we're on Zeta Halo
shadow gull
I've seen people talking about somehow that it's coming back in someway, dunno if that's true or not
It would be really cool, but would not fit well in the storyline, right?
shadow gull
u right, thx
noble fjord
hey Ado you played... the Halo RTS that I'm not allowed to name correct?
you have any idea how Spirit of Fire managed to destroy a Banished Corvette before engaging Enduring Conviction?
terse lava
don't think there was any corvette during the time the game takes place
the banished HAD other vessels besides the carrier around the galaxy, and concept art shows cruisers over the ark. But it seems none were around during the final game
noble fjord
in one of the phoenix logs it shows a destroyed Covenant Corvette and Spirit of fire as seen from Enduring Conviction. as a hologram.
sharp adder
They made the sentials attack the banished ship
terse lava
guess i did not notice that
sharp adder
In hw2
noble fjord
Enduring Conviction was the one attacked by sentinels. but one of the phoenix logs shows a destroyed Banished/Covenant Corvette destroyed by Spirit of Fire
sharp adder
It's because the spirit of fire had a massive sleep them woke up
terse lava
well...a corvette is rather small, at least compared to other covenant vessels
if one did indeed join the battle, it likely went down from multiple shots simple due to the fact some corvettes lack shields
and was likely captained by a brute, so not the best use of tactics
sharp adder
And spirit of fire was upgraded by Serina
stoic hamlet
Upgraded in what way?
terse lava
maybe he means the cryo tech
noble fjord
I love Serina and I believe she tried her best to keep the Spirit in the best shape it possibly can be. But Spirit struggled in a 1 v 1 engagement against a covenant ship (of which I cannot name) in the first game. So it beating a Corvette surprised me
sharp adder
Well technically that one was bigger than the spirit of fire corvettes are generally smaller
terse lava
@noble fjord the first game had them fighting a Covenant destroyer
noble fjord
yeah and spirit whilst being a tanky ship, didn't handle the Destroyer too well. Losing most of her guns in the engagement. (she obviously won though)
stoic hamlet
It’s not a combat vessel, remember it’s a support ship
noble fjord
I know this, which brings me back to the "Spirit a ship 28 years out of the fight, beat a Corvette?"
sharp adder
Remember they captured and used old models and they probably also managed to take it by surprise
terse lava
trying to remember, did the flood attack on voi really give truth's forces any decent time on the ark? Or did the joint sangheili-human alliance catch up with the, in just a few hours(real time)
gilded mason
Pretty sure they only had a few hours head start.
terse lava
thought so
always found it odd how those brutes never turned on truth
since there's that thing implying truth and his guys knew the halos' purpose
gilded mason
I guess they were all onboard with his plan.
terse lava
hm, maybe the ones sent groundside during voi were ones who believed in the Journey
like what jul did with requiem
does make sense though, you have that one brute who wanted to replace tartarus by killing chief, and apparently would have had he won. Yet what's the point of that if you and your guys are alone on the ark and at worst a few days away from achieving the Journey
meager delta
The day one of us introvertive gamers finds a girl friend will be the day we out pizza the hut
gilded mason
girl
🤔
noble fjord
@meager delta I have a Fiancee, does that count?
meager delta
yes
noble fjord
B R U H
terse lava
"There were those who said this day would never come, what are they to say now?- Random halo player in local pizza hut with gf
meager delta
he is the messiah
terse lava
wonder if the Covenant high council could have overthrown the hierarchs
noble fjord
I wonder how the Elites feel towards Humans
Also who do you think is the better leader? Cutter or Laskey
Like which would take leadership assuming they both met up in Halo 7
terse lava
You mean now or during the war in regards to sangheili?
noble fjord
@terse lava now
gilded mason
There's a variety of feelings they'd have. Hatred, indifference, love, admiration, friendliness, etc. Depends on the specific Elite.
versed helm
Most still feel a bit of disgust, though
And upon looking in a mirror, I can see why
gilded mason
I wouldn't say most.
true shadow
I don’t think demon is a wide used term for Spartans in general. I think they keyed that name for Chief specifically
noble fjord
@true shadow chief is THE DEMON but they've used "Demon" to refer to a few other spartans in the past
true shadow
Perhaps. But I feel like the way they refer to chief solely as the demon kinda solidifies the name being his
noble fjord
Chief over time has dropped to being only my 2nd favorite spartan
idk if it's just me but I find it hard to like a character who has yet to have been whooped at least once... just to show they aren't indestructible
Also Jerome (my number 1) has more personality
true shadow
Jerome is a great character
gilded mason
Really? Feels like Jerome is just as bland as John.
true shadow
Spartan 2s in general are my favourite characters to see fleshed out
noble fjord
I also like Jerome because (unless I am completely ignoring some part of lore) he is the first Spartan I can think of to be the commander of a ship's ground forces. (It's kinda nice how he took Forge's role on Spirit)
@gilded mason halo war 2 gave him most of his character for me.
noble fjord
I didn't put the "S"
unique rune
Probably because no 's' at the end
true shadow
I do like most spartan 2s like blue team and red team. But above all else my favourite spartan is actually Jorge
noble fjord
Big man was sentimental
unique rune
Don't have to worry about phrases like Human-Covenant War or Flood-Forerunner War being murdered
true shadow
Yeah
noble fjord
I love how we still don't have a good answer as to why a Spartan 2 was on a Spartan 3 fireteam
unique rune
052 was my favorite out of Noble but of all the Spartan-IIs I think I'm still partial to 051 and 104.
true shadow
Kurt and Fred?
unique rune
Yeah.
true shadow
Nice
noble fjord
ok some people think I'm weird for this but, I didn't like Carter as a character until he died <_<
unique rune
Carter is a character?
noble fjord
I didn't HATE him, but I never liked him
unique rune
Carter's just sorta... there for most of the campaign.
true shadow
Nah that’s not weird. Sometimes you need to lose something to appreciate it
unique rune
Most of the time he just felt like Kat's channel to get to command.
true shadow
Nah but back to Jorge. I like him above all the other spartan 2s because he actually feels human buried under all that armour.
noble fjord
Idk I think Douglas no longer feels like an indestructible super soldier if you ask me laughs
but yeah, Jorge is a great character, big guy looked like he needed a hug
unique rune
I liked Jorge since he actually had an emotional attachment and investment with the planet.
noble fjord
I feel bad for Jorge though...
unique rune
The rest of Noble's just there to complete a mission, but Jorge was... different.
noble fjord
as Carter put it "He died thinking he'd just saved the planet"
true shadow
It was personal for Jorge
Reach was always his home
Born there, trained to be a spartan there
“Reach has been good to me”
noble fjord
I still don't understand why he was in a spartan 3 team
noble fjord
However as much as I love Jorge... Jerome is still going to be my number 1
(I wonder if Forge knew that Jerome would take his role on the Spirit)
true shadow
To me it kinda solidified the “you’re not the same strain as chief” feeling having Jorge on the team with his height and imposing figure
noble fjord
before I even realized Jorge was a spartan 2, I knew something was up considering his stature
true shadow
Even though Jorge was pretty tall for a spartan 2
Shame there’s no way to survive a slipspace bomb
Rip big man
noble fjord
I wonder how all the marines who survived in the ship were reacting to Jorge's "plan B"
true shadow
Pfffft I was actually thinking about that recently too
noble fjord
I ran a challenge run through the game (that was both fun and rage inducing) and thought of that during the mission
true shadow
Was it the under 3 hours achievement?
maiden flame
so since john is technically a spartan 2, that means he's the same height, right?
noble fjord
nope, my friend calls it the "Die with Honor" challenge. You have to run the game on Legendary (Lasso is optional) and every Zealot/General/Field Marshall MUST be assassinated
true shadow
No, the Spartans has varying heights just like normal people. It just so happens that Jorge was fairly tall
maiden flame
ah
true shadow
Pfft nice
noble fjord
it was a nightmare... but I retained the Elite's Honor
true shadow
Hehe
maiden flame
so for all intents and purposes john is about the same height as say, carter and noble 6?
true shadow
John is around 7 ft 2’ if I’m right?
noble fjord
nope Chief is one tall boi... just not as tall as Jorge (I took a pic of him at Outpost Discovery, he's about as tall as the average Elite)
true shadow
Jorge is around the same height
noble fjord
Granted Elite's are Hunch bois
maiden flame
jorge would probably be closer to being the same height as an elite
in halo 3 the elites have the hunchback thing going
but in the other games they stand relatively straight
true shadow
On the wiki it says Jorge is 8ft in his armour
maiden flame
so he is a lorge as an elite
noble fjord
idk Let Volir in Halo War 2 is pretty hunch
I was about to mention Rippa Morami but he's an abomination of an Elite
maiden flame
halopedia puts jorge at 7'4"
maiden flame
wait
unique rune
Reach and 4/5 also make it fairly noticeable
noble fjord
Jorge is huge
maiden flame
he is quite thicc
noble fjord
is what I am getting from this
noble fjord
I'm almost as tall as the Chef himself
true shadow
I don’t think people really got a grip of how massive Jorge was until he picked you up in long night of solace and it went first person for his last words
Like dude, his hand was massive. I felt like a dwarf compared to him
maiden flame
jorge is an absolute unit
true shadow
Pfft
noble fjord
I really want a story of a Spartan and Elite during the human covenant war who were stranded and had to fight to survive. When rescue came, the Elite had passed so the Spartan took parts of his armor and his Energy sword to honor the warrior his fallen foe.
Jorge is thicc
maiden flame
b312 is 6ft 9in without the suit
with the suit i'm guessing he's an inch or so shorter than john in the suit
true shadow
Probs
noble fjord
Spartan 2's are s w o l
but in the lore they're nowhere near as strong as Chief makes them all seem < ~ <
true shadow
Chief has luck hehe
maiden flame
someone remind me if blue team is all spartan 2's
true shadow
All spartan 2s yeah
noble fjord
It isn't just all Spartan 2's, it consists of 2 of the best spartan 2's along with the two ladies
maiden flame
they all seem pretty deadly
gilded mason
Linda's the best sniper, and K is the fastest.
true shadow
So it’s her name which is what’s killing messages
noble fjord
why is that banned!
gilded mason
Yeah, thanks to a certain actress's name
maiden flame
what warning does the bot give you?
true shadow
John was able to run faster at the cost of his Achilles heal
gilded mason
His actual tendon
true shadow
Yeah
noble fjord
Jerome is also one of the best bois (granted I still think he has better leadership skills than Chief, and as of Halo War 2 he has more experience)
maiden flame
jerome just lacks the experience
gilded mason
And this was before K got to try out Mark V, I believe
true shadow
Nice
maiden flame
he hasn't seen as much combat as john and blue team
noble fjord
He doesn't have the combat experience because 28 years in cryo, but he has more experience as a leader
considering he is the active military leader under Cutter in Halo War 2
maiden flame
is the name of hw2 also banned
noble fjord
mhm
gilded mason
The W part
maiden flame
nani
noble fjord
"War" + S
true shadow
Dude, because of cryo red team are literally the youngest spartan 2s in canon
maiden flame
what even is the logic behind this
gilded mason
Because silly spoiler policy
gilded mason
I can't wait for it to go away.
noble fjord
Yeah they are the youngest
maiden flame
smol babs
noble fjord
Doesn't make them any less awesome
true shadow
True
true shadow
Which is why Douglas looks so young when he gets his helmet crushed
noble fjord
granted poor Douglas got smacked in the face (or rather his arm dislocated) in his first mission in 28 years
maiden flame
i got so mad when atriox did that dude
noble fjord
I did too... but at the same time part of me went "We really needed to have at least one instance of a Spartan 2 getting their butt kicked"
true shadow
It solidified the feeling of “this guy isn’t just any normal brute”
true shadow
Also atrioxs backstory cutscene was amazing
maiden flame
it was pretty well done
noble fjord
part of me wants to know how Exuberant Witness (whom I love btw) managed to steal control of an installation from Cortana
true shadow
“None ever returned... until he did”
maiden flame
probs with the help of the librarian
noble fjord
If only he had any relevance in the campaign REEEEEE
true shadow
Hehe
maiden flame
librarian can't be too happy about a naked blue lady taking over the guardians
noble fjord
Cortana got mind f cked by the Gravemind sooooo
maiden flame
i hope the librarian has some part to play in fixing cortana
noble fjord
I hope Cortana dies tbh
maiden flame
given that she already made contact with john, i think it would be likely
you take that back
that is my waifu
gilded mason
She really deserves to die
maiden flame
noble fjord
I want Cortana to die, if she was saved would the UNSC accept her and chief? How many soldiers did she kill after EMP blasting Earth
maiden flame
i mean true
gilded mason
She's a mass murderer of millions
maiden flame
part of me wants her to get a redemption arc though
gilded mason
It would ring hollow
maiden flame
even if that is a bit absurd
noble fjord
I like Redemption Arcs... but how do you redeem a galactic terrorist < _<
Looks at Arbiter
don't answer that
gilded mason
Though I suppose you could argue that he was brainwashed in a sense for most of his life, while Cortana was well-aware of things.
noble fjord
Halsey and Cortana are both Crazy
maiden flame
it could be argued cortana is also in this state of like, pseudo-brainwashed
gilded mason
Nah, Halsey's fine
noble fjord
I don't blame the Gravemind alone
maiden flame
gravemind+rampancy=evil cortana
gilded mason
Just rampancy, really.
noble fjord
Gravemind did the equivalent of finding out his prisoner liked cigars so he kept giving her a pack of cuban's
maiden flame
which is still enabling imo
noble fjord
Cortana is THIRSTY for knowledge, so he gave her a ton of knowledge which drove her insane
90% her fault <_<
maiden flame
elaborate
i get the whole thing where as an AI she has an insatiable thirst for knowledge but like
wouldn't that just be a part of her nature as a smart AI?
gilded mason
Human Weakness had her at the mercy of the Gravemind, but she was able to largely resist his attempts at trying to ruin her.
noble fjord
Gravemind was tapping into her systems and learned cortana had a very unhealthy need to learn things and learn every detail of everything she could. So he would share some of his memories (of which a Gravemind has... a "Few") until he broke her
maiden flame
oof
noble fjord
Graveminds have a few memories
maiden flame
something tells me a few is more than a few