#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 273

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:17 PM

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?

versed helm Dec 25, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Millions

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Huh?

versed helm Dec 25, 2019, 6:18 PM

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millions of kilometers

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:18 PM

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From@where

versed helm Dec 25, 2019, 6:18 PM

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i think cole protocol or first strike

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I'll look into it

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:19 PM

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No I don’t think so

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:21 PM

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So I won't look into it?

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Millions

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Where can I get that info?

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:23 PM

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I’m pretty sure you can’t because I’m very sure it does not exist.

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:23 PM

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I did a small calculation of MAC gun speeds and how they affect naval combat. I was looking for some feedback.

random cradle Dec 25, 2019, 6:23 PM

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That about Troy denning books oblivion and silent storm

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Those are before the game

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:24 PM

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But you can get hundred thousand from@the fall of reach and ten thousand ish from fall of reach too

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Oh man not the filter again

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:24 PM

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📎 image0.png

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:25 PM

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How else am I supposed to say that?

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⭐ ?

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Ok

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I got your message back.

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Yeah thanks

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But man that is really annoying

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

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But. Yeah. The fall of reach talks about ranges ships fight at

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Like at least filter for the entire combo instead of the single word

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Will look into TFoR then

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

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The unsc commonwealth and covenant ship engage. It uses pulse laser at like 10k km. And Mac reply

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During the fall of reach ship fires from 100k km away

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

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The calculation takes into account Super MAC speeds of 0.04c

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:27 PM

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During battle between Iroquois and the Keyes maneuver good info

wicked pasture Dec 25, 2019, 6:28 PM

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keyes loop is epic

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:28 PM

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I actually read through that part and couldn't find anything concrete

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I'll look again

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Keyes loop is indeed epic

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But boy oh boy is there a scale problem

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:29 PM

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What scale problem

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:29 PM

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Taking the Epsilon Eridani System, the 🌟 is a K2V 🌟 which has an inhabitable zone of 0.5 - 1.0 AU.
Being the second closest planet to EE, the average distance between planets can be said to be at least 0.5 AU.
The EE System is noted to have at least 7 planets, so the minimum distance of the edge of the system from Reach is 2.5 AU.
1 AU being 149,598,000 km, this puts the Covenant fleet at a distance of roughly 374,000,000 km on August 30th.
Let's say they've closed half the distance by the time the Super MACs fire.
The time taken for the slug to reach the fleet would be a little less than 374,000,000/12,000 = 31166s or 8.6 hours.

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Well here's what I've noticed. The book doesn't particularly outline the distance at which engagement starts.

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Reading along, it almost feels instantaneous after detection but that would cause huge inconsistencies.

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I'll try the Sigma Octanus calculations later

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:30 PM

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There’s time torpedoes and distance given

polar elm Dec 25, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Time torpedoes?

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I really couldn't understand that last message. Are you referring to Sigma Octanus II or Reach?

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In any case, I'll definitely double check and see what the case is.

terse lava Dec 25, 2019, 6:44 PM

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The time it took for the torpedos to travel

fresh vortex Dec 25, 2019, 6:51 PM

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how does the hard light shield work in lore

fair hazel Dec 25, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Time, torpedoes and distance given

terse lava Dec 25, 2019, 7:07 PM

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wonder how many ships the Covenant could have made with those forerunner ships in HW1

versed helm Dec 25, 2019, 7:09 PM

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lets not ponder about such things

terse lava Dec 25, 2019, 7:47 PM

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worst things to ponder on

versed helm Dec 25, 2019, 8:08 PM

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aye, but this is still quite messed up

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with that big an advantage, the covies could've beaten atriox

stoic hamlet Dec 25, 2019, 8:18 PM

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they could have beaten him even without those ships

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also happy holidays friends!

gilded mason Dec 25, 2019, 8:19 PM

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🎄

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they could have beaten him even without those ships
Also this

obsidian thistle Dec 25, 2019, 9:46 PM

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@terse lava https://web.archive.org/web/20090301071714/http://www.bungie.net:80/Stats/GameStatsCampaignHalo3.aspx?gameid=20779

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Thats what you asked for

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:)

terse lava Dec 25, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Thanks 😊

maiden flame Dec 25, 2019, 11:40 PM

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atriox was a weird glitch in the matrix

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then again so was tartarus

carmine sleet Dec 25, 2019, 11:40 PM

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They're not glitches in the Matrix

sacred dew Dec 25, 2019, 11:59 PM

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So do hunters have telepathy

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Also merry Christmas

terse lava Dec 26, 2019, 12:24 AM

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lekgolo communicate through vibrations

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only thing that has showed telepathy would be the flood...and the forerunners in a sense thanks to technology

frozen thicket Dec 26, 2019, 1:06 AM

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am i right or am i right what happens if the human race just kept their mouth shut

terse lava Dec 26, 2019, 1:09 AM

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?

keen canopy Dec 26, 2019, 1:09 AM

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?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 1:09 AM

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?

wicked pasture Dec 26, 2019, 1:09 AM

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?

tiny yarrow Dec 26, 2019, 1:09 AM

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?

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Which, if any, is considered the true canon? Halo Reach or Halo the fall of Reach?

terse lava Dec 26, 2019, 1:10 AM

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both...

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 1:10 AM

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There were some contortions done, but they both fit.

keen canopy Dec 26, 2019, 1:11 AM

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@tiny yarrow watch Halo Canon's Reach timeline video

tiny yarrow Dec 26, 2019, 1:11 AM

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OK

keen canopy Dec 26, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Eric Nylund, the author of TFoR, wrote Halsey's Journal for Bungie, to do his best to make his book work with the game. 343 later on fixed things too, and now they work well enough together for both to be considered canon.

tiny yarrow Dec 26, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Ok.

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I had an argument with someone who said Halo reach isn't canon and I told them it is

terse lava Dec 26, 2019, 1:15 AM

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ok

keen canopy Dec 26, 2019, 1:16 AM

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In the future just let them know there's a YouTube interview of 343 Industries declaring both canon.

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And here's the link to the timeline if you couldn't find it @tiny yarrow

https://youtu.be/u8d4z5Zg_Bc

tiny yarrow Dec 26, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Ok

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Thank you

terse lava Dec 26, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Wonder what passes for video games with humanity and the Covenant? Full vr immersion or some type of console

maiden flame Dec 26, 2019, 4:00 AM

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probably

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for grunts it's prolly some kinda food nipple sim

terse lava Dec 26, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Unggoy 3: food nipple add on

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I could believe that though for them as a way to train to lead lesser unggoy

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 6:11 AM

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spartans and unsc have battle sims

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winner gets lunch

dull fox Dec 26, 2019, 6:41 AM

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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Holodeck Edition)

cedar ore Dec 26, 2019, 6:53 AM

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https://i.redd.it/7wp0etz98x041.png wonder if an uncensored version of this exists lol

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 7:25 AM

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From the Halo Fandom Page on Kig-Yars ( Jackals). The name "Jackal" comes from a wild dog that is similar to the coyote, and is a reference to their scavenger appearance and nature. However, the term "Jackal" is also a slang for a devious, opportunistic person or one that performs menial or degrading tasks for another.

silent perch Dec 26, 2019, 7:39 AM

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Perhaps it has something to do with them being used more as equipment than actual soldiers?

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 9:17 AM

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not really

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hunters are called so because they actually hunt down whatever they have to kill

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brutes might forget you

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but hunters never will

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Is Abaddon gone for good or what?

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:26 AM

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I forgot Abaddon

balmy turtle Dec 26, 2019, 12:01 PM

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Are Spartans considered Black Ops, Green Berets, Spec Ops? And what does that make ODST?

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And is there any other branch besides those two & Marines?

autumn urchin Dec 26, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Troopers?

ionic hound Dec 26, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Best of the best of the best

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while odst's are the best of the best

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 2:03 PM

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ODSTs are the voluntary best of the best

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SPARTANs are top tier material regardless

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Spartans are more reliable.

sly rivet Dec 26, 2019, 3:34 PM

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I am the most reliable

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Y'all want a cool discovery? 🙂

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The Cover of Retribution has SPI on it. (This isnt the cool discovery) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316261091284090882/659785642976215041/unknown.png

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The cool discovery is the helmet Veta uses.

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It turns out to be "Buccaneer" from Halo 5. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316261091284090882/659785832672002058/unknown.png

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So in theory, this is more proof to SPI not being 1 pre-defined set like many believe. 🙂

fair hazel Dec 26, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Oh my

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2019, 4:55 PM

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(I could go on about how the SPI in that cover art is very much "SPI/GEN2" in design, maybe suggesting SPI actually progressed with some GEN2 enhancements)

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But really the helmet is the cool part.

fair hazel Dec 26, 2019, 5:06 PM

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oh i wouldnt want you to stop

stoic hamlet Dec 26, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Is it buccaneer?

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Intriguing

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If I recall the description for Buccaneer was that it was like, cobbled together armour right?

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Also, I actually never noticed she had the helmet in frame

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Body Description: Though heavily damaged, forensic analysis of remains codenamed BUCCANEER indicate it is a functional - if crude - MJOLNIR variant.```

stoic hamlet Dec 26, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Could Buccaneer be like, salvaged SPI armour then?

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I took the description to mean it wasn’t officially designed.

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I took the description to mean it wasn’t officially designed.
Same

stoic hamlet Dec 26, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Assuming it’s salvaged, I wonder how whoever made it came across the armour? In Last Light IIRC it was treated as far more classified/(I don’t think “important” is the right word but it works here I suppose) than MJOLNIR.

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 6:23 PM

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And yeah, the body armor does look kinda SPI-like (Based on Retribution's cover), but, like, the really bad offbrand version of SPI.

stoic hamlet Dec 26, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Yeah

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@obsidian thistle you mentioned in the Halopedia server Buccaneer being multi-platform would be vindication for you?

simple locust Dec 26, 2019, 6:29 PM

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@unreal thicket Hey do you know how tall the figures for Halo Risk are? How does their size compare to actionclix figures?

stoic hamlet Dec 26, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Not really the channel for that

simple locust Dec 26, 2019, 6:37 PM

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@stoic hamlet OK. I guess if the gear section is preferable then please reply to me in the halo-gear section @unreal thicket .

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 6:49 PM

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I thought that was the EVA helmet

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2019, 6:53 PM

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@stoic hamlet it would essentially be me guessing right that SPI can use stuff that Mjolnir can. Closest we have had is the near "Mark VI EVA" helm in Mythos and the Spartan Field Manual.

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But I'd of asked this on Halopedias server xD Thats cross server discussion you just did my dude pfft

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 6:59 PM

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I dont think SPI and MJOLNIR can crossover. You'd need to do modifications to one or the other to get them to fit

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like a game of tetris

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Parts and so on can however.

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Helmets are the easiest.

terse lava Dec 26, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Anyone think anything different would ha w happened had the ur didact been perfectly sane during silentium?

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 7:38 PM

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dude

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he was sane

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faber messed up

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the shield world concept was better than the halo one

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but the halo one got implemented

tiny yarrow Dec 26, 2019, 7:47 PM

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What was his plan with the shield worlds again?

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 7:48 PM

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chunks of all life to be resettled into shield worlds till eradication of flood

tiny yarrow Dec 26, 2019, 7:49 PM

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oh

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isn't that essentially what they did with the rings?

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 7:49 PM

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nope

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the rings are war machines re-calibrated to hold life

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the librarian bugged the builders till they added the sustain life feature

tiny yarrow Dec 26, 2019, 7:50 PM

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oh

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 7:50 PM

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the shield worlds were essentially new homes

tiny yarrow Dec 26, 2019, 7:51 PM

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well what were they going to do with the rings without sustainable life? Kill everything and bring nothing back?

wicked pasture Dec 26, 2019, 7:51 PM

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the arks can sustain life

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 7:53 PM

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cause the librarian bugged the bejesus out of them to make it like that

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or not.....

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wait

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not too sure about that

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either way, the shield worlds put the mantle first

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while the halos put self preservation first

stoic hamlet Dec 26, 2019, 8:43 PM

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@obsidian thistle well we know armour pieces can cross over, Mark V shoulders, for examples.

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Does anyone know of some reference/concept images of a Spartans under suit?

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The best I could find is a concept of commander palmer https://www.405th.com/forums/threads/commander-sarah-palmer-scout-variant-of-the-mjolnir-gen2.36664/post-666255

tall olive Dec 26, 2019, 9:03 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449033964745916426/659862802248499210/unknown.png
Does anybody know where to find the texture of this screen? I am trying to recreate the autumns bridge in a another game and was looking for the graphic

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 9:04 PM

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It's a rather simple texture, I would suggest going in-game, screenshotting the monitor, and recreating it in PS/AI.

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 9:05 PM

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@mellow flame
https://www.halopedia.org/images/f/f9/H5G-Techsuit_male.jpg
https://www.halopedia.org/images/d/de/SPARTAN-IV_Exo-suit.jpg

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 9:06 PM

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@gilded mason Is there a suit under that suit? (besides literal underwear)

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 9:06 PM

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i like the chiseled featureless man in the second one

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Is there a suit under that suit? (besides literal underwear)
I don't think so?

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Okay, are there any female references available? Would they have a different styled breast plate?

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 9:07 PM

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there's very little room for interpretation

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 9:08 PM

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@mellow flame
https://www.halopedia.org/images/a/a8/H5G-Techsuit_female.jpg

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Oh lit, thankyou so much.

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 9:08 PM

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not the most terrible female armour suit i've seen

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Using it to reference some fan art im working on.

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Are any of the installations completely vacant of life/unvisited?

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 9:25 PM

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02, i think

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Nobody has visited these installations as of the Spartan Field Manual:
01, 02, 06

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And it was noted that 01 seemed to be uninhabitable

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 9:32 PM

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i mean grunts live off methane so depends on your definitions

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 9:37 PM

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it seems to be filled with fart gas

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 9:38 PM

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"smells of farts, nobody would want to live there" [sad grunt noises]

sacred dew Dec 26, 2019, 9:40 PM

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If a longsword appeared in real life fully stocked what's the most damage u guys think it could do?

wicked pasture Dec 26, 2019, 9:42 PM

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well considering it can carry a shiva... probably quite alot

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Apparently 02 is covered in water, with the only surfaces being rock. And 06 is a treeless tundra biome. Looks like my fan art will be based in 06.

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 9:46 PM

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its a longsword

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consider N and S america occupied

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 9:47 PM

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UNSC forgot fish exist

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 9:52 PM

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how would that effect anything?

stoic hamlet Dec 26, 2019, 9:52 PM

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@mellow flame a Spartan would only have the bodysuit, nothing underneath.

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 9:53 PM

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they say uninhabitable because it's only water and rocks but things can still inhabit that sort of place

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 9:57 PM

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yep

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 9:57 PM

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I said 01 was noted as being uninhabitable , not 02.

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 9:57 PM

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dat tru

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Technically all are inhabitable, just by different species.

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 9:59 PM

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01 probably the fart halo then

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 9:59 PM

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I'm going by what the book said.

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:00 PM

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can somebody make fanart of the fart halo

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Well if I01, I02, and I06 have been visited. Its very very very secret.

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Because isn't every Halo ring designed to host life? Hence why genuine biomes are constructed?

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:00 PM

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like, with the fart emittors

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:01 PM

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The book said "No longer habitable". That implies that it once was, but then something happened to it.

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:01 PM

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What other races fought the Forerunners besides ancient man and the ancient San'shyuum?

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the flood

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whats the comic called the one with the waifu chief

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:02 PM

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What.

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:02 PM

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HERESEY!!

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REMOVE THE INFIDEL

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or thats not a thibg i was lied to

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:03 PM

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What were you told, exactly?

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:03 PM

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i was told that a different fan version of master chief waifu chief exists

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Gross.

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:04 PM

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good thing thats a lie tho

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the believer has been grossly misled

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:04 PM

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You said a fan version, though. Not official. So that definitely exists somewhere

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:04 PM

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best remove it, then

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Who keeps deleting my question?

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2019, 10:05 PM

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The filter.

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:06 PM

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yeah

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a messed up filter for a messe up movie

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I was gonna ask about the Pheru

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wort dat

obsidian thistle Dec 26, 2019, 10:08 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Pheru

Halopedia

Pheru

Pheru were a species of small animal favored by prehistoric humans and San'Shyuum as pets. Originating from Faun Hakkor in the Charum Hakkor system, they were natural herbivores noted as being lively and gentle in behavior. While normally kept as pets, the Pheru were also edi...

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That

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:08 PM

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OOHHHH

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i remember em

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we follow one around in cryptum

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What happened to them after the Human-Forerunner wars,did they go extinct?

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probably

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NO WAIT

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they go extinct during the forerunner flood war

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Since they were basically the first vectors of the Flood outbreak

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aw heck i has messed up the animals

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the guy who's consciousness turns into guilty spark

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Chakas

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:10 PM

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YEAH

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So,are there still some Precursor technology or artifacts that somehow survived the firing of the Array?

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highly doubt it

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even after medicant's betryal

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offensive had control over the smaller rings that were spread throughout

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the galaxy

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Didn't one of the books say that there were some Precursor artifacts in Slipspace transit around the time that the Array fired?

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the rings were designed to fire all across planes, right?

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im pretty sure im wrong

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but when they fired, they also shot through slipspace

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Is there any lore on elite and spartan joint forces? Basically spartans and elites being deployed side by side, outside of arbiters civil war?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Yes

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:15 PM

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yep

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new blood, i think

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So are the Blooding Years still going or are they over by now?

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Okay, is there any name for this joint force?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Gray Team is now part of one, Spartans and Elites do joint mission in the "Joint-Occupation Zone", Spartans and Elites train together as part of the Anvil Initiative, and there are a lot of Swords of Sanghelios agents onboard the Infinity.

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:17 PM

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I wanna know more about the Munera platforms

random cradle Dec 26, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Yea like arbi and Chief

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Wait,Thel was the one who glassed Eridanus II right?

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.....im not too sure bout tht

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Don't think so

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:18 PM

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the ship was the pious inquisitor, i think

random cradle Dec 26, 2019, 10:19 PM

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@gilded mason have you read every halo book

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Mostly

keen canopy Dec 26, 2019, 10:20 PM

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@mellow flame you should read Hunters In The Dark if you want Humans and Elites working together

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:20 PM

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So who glassed Eridanus II?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Don't think it was anyone specific

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:21 PM

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whats the book where the cover has arby on onyx?

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How many planets did Thel glass?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:22 PM

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whats the book where the cover has arby on onyx?
Don't think any do

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 10:22 PM

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at least one and a half

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Alright, here's a hypothetical scenario. A Spartan 4 and an elite want to go AWOL to visit installation 06 (the elite knows of the installations history and significance, and the spartan knows it's approximate location due to classified intel). Is there a ship they can steal to actually get to installation 06?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Yes, at the very least, a lot of Covenant ships have great slipsapce drives.

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:25 PM

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What about smaller ships, ones that can be manned by 2 pilots?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:25 PM

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If they were careful enough, they could steal a smaller one that doesn't require a large crew

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I know of a missionary vessel that only had a crew of five

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Where in the galaxy is I06 located?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:25 PM

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They could probably divide the labor between the two of them

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:25 PM

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@versed helm Milky way

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:26 PM

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I know it's in the Milky Way but where in the Milky Way i mean

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Perseus Arm

keen canopy Dec 26, 2019, 10:26 PM

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@versed helm

Vadamee was responsible for over one billion human casualties over the course of the decades-long war against the humans and the glassing of at least seven colonies.

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:26 PM

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"It is situated in the Perseus Arm of the Milky Way galaxy"

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:28 PM

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@mellow flame
Here's an article on the ship type I was talking about:
https://www.halopedia.org/Missionary_ship

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:28 PM

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I still wonder what became of 049 Abject Testament

keen canopy Dec 26, 2019, 10:28 PM

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@versed helm Thel has never been to Onyx, are you thinking of the Hunters In The Dark cover perhaps?

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Doesn't it seem weird that we never hear from him again after that short conversation he had with Guilty Spark

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:29 PM

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@gilded mason Are jackals included in this UNSC/Elite alliance?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Common sense says yes

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But

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Legacy of Onyx says only Grunts and Elites are allies, which really doesn't make sense

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Because if not, that ship likely wouldn't be part of a UNSC/Elite fleet.

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:30 PM

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not realy, no

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:30 PM

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So I disregard it

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So I say any species can be allies.

keen canopy Dec 26, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Kig Yar have always been portrayed as only been loyal to themselves.

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:31 PM

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After all, species don't belong to a single culture

unique rune Dec 26, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Is there a ship they can steal to actually get to installation 06?
Bactrian-class freighter, maybe? The tug used by the smugglers in Nightfall.
Fitted with a slipspace drive, fits a two-person crew.

Though I suppose the biometric scanner would be a bit of an obstacle...

versed helm Dec 26, 2019, 10:31 PM

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but in...oh heck i cant remember the name

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WAIT

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mortal dictata

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this one ship mistress tries it out

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she goes to track sav fel

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to find the inquisitor

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:47 PM

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So basically, the criteria of the ship im looking for is:

It needs to be reasonably present (can't be a super old ship that has no business existing in the scenario, and needs to exist on a base that holds both spartans and elites)
It needs to be flyable with 2 pilots
It needs a mid-long slip space range (capable of reaching installation 06)

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Yeah, I say the missionary ship is doable.

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:48 PM

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But that's not reasonably present, it's a jackal ship.

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Even if Yig-Yar aren't part of the alliance (which I think is false), they'd still do trade.

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Wait, does the UNSC ever capture enemy ships? Because what if they steal a confiscated Missionary Ship to get to 06?

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Or they could have no intentions to going to 06, and board a missionary ship seeking forerunner relics (and it brings them to 06).

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Species ain't a hivemind, there are gonna be a large variety of cultures to be found across the Orion Arm, and there are gonna be Kig-Yar that find working with the SoS/UNSC a good idea, just as there are Grunts and Hunters that think so.

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:52 PM

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My only issue is there is no reference art for missionary ships.

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It has a decent description thanks to the books, but theres no reference to its size.

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 10:52 PM

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jackals i thought would work for anyone who has cash

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:53 PM

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jackals i thought would work for anyone who has cash
An arbitrary amount would, perhaps.

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:54 PM

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I'd go with Ostrals perspective, they aren't a hive mind. So some might be led by religious beliefs, others might just be mercenaries, and some could be part of a rebellion, etc.

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:54 PM

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It has a decent description thanks to the books, but theres no reference to its size.```
Perhaps have it the size of a present day fishing vessel?

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I'd go with Ostrals perspective, they aren't a hive mind. So some might be led by religious beliefs, others might just be mercenaries, and some could be part of a rebellion, etc.
👌

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 10:55 PM

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deadliest catch: interplanetary crab edition

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Maybe around the size of this, or something.
https://www.pacificboatbrokers.com/images_new/NW5127/NW5127.jpg

broken iron Dec 26, 2019, 10:56 PM

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In reach, when Jorge detonates the makeshift slipspace bomb, wouldn’t it take the cruiser and him alive and whole to some uncharted part of space?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Or twice the size, if ya want

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In reach, when Jorge detonates the makeshift slipspace bomb, wouldn’t it take the cruiser and him alive and whole to some uncharted part of space?
I think they said it wouldn't have an exit point

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 10:56 PM

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It does say it's a fish hook shape, so i'd assume it looks rather similar to a carrier https://sacredicon.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/cas-class.png

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Yeah

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 10:57 PM

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atoms warped indivually

terse lava Dec 26, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Wouldn't it tear him and the Corvette apart?

broken iron Dec 26, 2019, 10:57 PM

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When Kat talks about the incident that gave her idea, she says the drive worked perfectly

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But it was mounted improperly

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The “explosion” engulfed the cruiser entirely

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Imagine how badass it would be for Jorge to surf an entire covenant cruiser back to earth

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Nah

broken iron Dec 26, 2019, 11:00 PM

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I don’t really know the ins and outs of a slipspace bomb

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It’s possible that he survived I think

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But either starved or the remaining covenant got him

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Speaking of, Can you starve to death in the armor?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Yes

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It’s possible that he survived I think
Nope

broken iron Dec 26, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Would be funny to see chief eating a ham and cheese sandwich

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 11:04 PM

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he pushes it against the bottom part of his helmet and it makes a shredder noise

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 11:04 PM

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I think this might be a good ship for the scenario https://www.halopedia.org/Man_O'_War

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It was actually present in Halo 5, theres just not many details given about it, especially regarding crew size.

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Not including the antenna looking things hanging from the back of the ship, it's about the length of 8 pelicans. So it's seems small enough to be reasonably manned by 2 people.

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Seems possible

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Alright, so for installation monitors, even though installation 06 is confirmed to have a monitor numbered "16807", is it possible a second one can exist that isn't mentioned?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Probably not, outside of odd circumstances

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 11:20 PM

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I do remember reading somewhere that installations can have multiple monitors assigned to it.

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 11:21 PM

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If only Spark got that memo

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Because "16807" isn't a mentioned name, it's a calculated name. Apparently the monitor numbers are determined by this "The monitors of the Halo installations have identification numbers comprised of seven raised to the power of the Halo installation's number minus one (7n-1)."

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So 343 is basically "04-343"

umbral citrus Dec 26, 2019, 11:26 PM

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so 1, 7, 49, 343...

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Because "16807" isn't a mentioned name, it's a calculated name.
Yes. And the monitor of 07's number was confirmed as canon to be 117649

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Installation 05 had 2 monitors

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Where was that said?

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Each Halo Installation has at least one Monitor assigned to it, with Installation 05 having two: 2401 Penitent Tangent, and a large Monitor on a monorail, seen in Halo 3's Cold Storage.

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Ah, that thing

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 11:33 PM

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I also noticed this color scheme for the other monitors, but I don't completely understand it:

If the Monitors in the Halo: Anniversary Terminal 2 were in numerical order, with 049, Abject Testament, as the reference point, the other Monitors' colors can be theorized.

Monitor/Clockwise/Counterclockwise
001/Yellow/Green
007/Blue-Teal/Pink
049/Orange-Red
343/White
2401/Pink/Blue-Teal
16807/Green/Yellow
117649/Purple
The Monitor 117649 is purple in both orders, since it is opposite Abject Testament in the circle.

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What does it mean by "clockwise/counterclockwise"?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Not sure

ionic hound Dec 26, 2019, 11:40 PM

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maybe it means its symmetrical?

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like the colour on the sides is the 2nd colour

sacred dew Dec 26, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Sc0tti5hTr14ngL3 and multiple hornet mines that are in the megaton

unique rune Dec 26, 2019, 11:52 PM

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So I'm assuming it's using this image (or a similar one) as reference
~~which is from the CEA Terminals, not H2A~~
https://www.halopedia.org/images/7/75/InstallationMonitors.jpg

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Basically, they're in a sort of roughly circular arrangement
And if you go around the circle in a clockwise direction, you get the first set of color "matches", while going in the opposite direction gets the second set

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 11:57 PM

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In Halo 5, there are Sangheili medics tending to wounded elites in an infirmary. They have "extra dialogue" where they talk about "trading their honor in battle for a chance to save lives". Do the medics have any special name or rank?

gilded mason Dec 26, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Don't think it was ever stated

mellow flame Dec 26, 2019, 11:58 PM

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The video of the dialogue is here (https://youtu.be/tM4pbBzodzA?t=345)

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It's pretty interesting, I think the "elite" that will be with the spartan heading to 06 should be a medic, since it's somewhat unexplored lore.

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I just have to think of a compelling reason for the 2 to head to 06.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Though do be aware that Sangheili have been getting treated for injuries for a long time, not just in Halo 5, if you didn't already know.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Yes, but hierarchy breaks and changes in war (regarding the civil war). So the reason behind "trading their honor in battle to be a medic" is likely unexplored, especially if "medic" has no significant rank or title.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Ah. As in, they were in a combat role previously, but were then assigned to be a medic?

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:07 AM

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It could be of 3 things, they were assigned to be a medic, chose to be a medic, or inherited the position through kin.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Drawing blood (outside of combat) is dishonorable, that's probably what they're talking about no?

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Drawing blood "outside of battle" is dishonorable.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Drawing blood is dishonorable, that's probably what they're talking about no?
Personally, I just think of that as a Vadam region thing, as part of that whole "species aren't a hivemind" thing.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 12:10 AM

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It's definitely widespread amongst Sangheili

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:10 AM

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The injured elite was saying that to the medic, because he didn't want to be operated on.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:10 AM

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It's definitely widespread amongst Sangheili
I mean it makes no sense.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Check out the recent debate/discussion between Halo Canon and [some guy from Covenant Canon] on Halo Canon's channel

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Yeah, me and a friend helped out Thesk with some research.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Wicked man, you know it's pretty established then despite not making much sense lol

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:11 AM

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I know.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:12 AM

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I should probably just google elite medic lmao

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Read the Sangheili page on Halopedia

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Or watch the aforementioned video

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Those are your best bets

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Unfortunately there is a LOT of stuff in Halo that doesn't make much sense and/or is contradicted by other material

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We just have to live with it

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Apparently being a medic was a huge dishonor, until Swords of Sanghelios. And theres only 1 known/named (lore-wise, medics obviously existed, we just only have interacted with one) Sangheili Medic. https://www.halopedia.org/Cham_'Lokeema

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 12:21 AM

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The Cole Protocol establishes the notion that the Sangheili stigmatize doctors and medical treatment, a cultural trait that is echoed in later works.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:24 AM

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I watched my brothers die around me and never dared give aid. 'Stitching a wound closed brings dishonor, setting a broken bone brings dishonor.'
That quote of his gives me pause, since as of the recent book Silent Storm, we have Sangheili making use of hospital ships to treat their wounded soldiers. We also have the very early book of The Flood that has Zuka both get treated with no fanfare and gets his blood drawn as part of a DNA scan. Though oppostion might argue that lore wasn't as concrete as it was now.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Zuka wasn't an elite of honor based on his wiki

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"Also, 'Zamamee does not seem to be bound to the honor that controls the lives and actions of most other Special Operations Sangheili, as he not only flees from battles, he also takes the identity of a dead comrade, and allows an Unggoy to manipulate him. This would be considered a grave dishonor by any other Sangheili, though it is likely that 'Zamamee concluded to himself that the honor of killing John-117 would far outweigh the dishonor of these actions."

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:35 AM

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Though other Sangheili noted him being treated and were like "Ah, good to have you fixed up."

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:36 AM

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Were they actually like that though? Maybe they were ordered to, forcing them into a "lesser evil" situation.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:36 AM

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That sounds convoluted

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’Rolamee outranked ’Zamamee by two full levels. The junior officer gloried in the respectful manner with which the other Elite had greeted him. “Thank you, Excellency. I will heal.”

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Which book?

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:38 AM

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The Flood

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 12:39 AM

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that doesnt necessarily mention medical treatment

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:39 AM

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wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 12:39 AM

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now that one does mention it

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:40 AM

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It is a pretty old book, in the very early stages of lore. We could possibly just mark it off as outdated?

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 12:40 AM

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but the whole no medical treatment thing wasnt established until The Cole Protocol novel

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:41 AM

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It is a pretty old book, in the very early stages of lore. We could possibly just mark it off as outdated?```
*Possibly.*
```but the whole no medical treatment thing wasnt established until the cole protocol```
Right, though we also have a recent book, Silent Storm, also saying Elites get standard medical treatment.

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So in the interest of making sense of the "contradictions", I just go with the "Vadam is full of hicks" argument.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:42 AM

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@wicked pasture Based on current lore, medical treatment was dishonorable all the way up until the Swords of Sanghelios. But there are contradictions with the books of medical treatment being done without any regard of the "dishonor".

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I would have to agree, everyone affiliated to Zuka was likely a shameless division, with no honor.

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I mean, clearly theres a contradiction of honor considering there was a literal civil war.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Before the civil war.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Yes, but the war is between what we could say the honorable and the dishonorable.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:45 AM

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I just chalk it up to cultural differences between regions.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Likely. So my version of the lore (for a fan fic) can originate from the Swords of Sanghelios perspective/beliefs.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Ye

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 12:47 AM

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i thought the civil war was more of about what to do with the forerunner tech

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:47 AM

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That was the War of Beginnings

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:48 AM

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The civil war is over the treaty with humans.

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The "blooding years"

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"The seeds of the Blooding Years began immediately after the end of the Great Schism and the Human-Covenant war. In January 2553, the Arbiter Thel 'Vadam began to visit the various states to propose a peace treaty with humanity. He argued that too many Sangheili had been lost in the Great Schism, and that Sanghelios had to be rebuilt. This proposal was not well received by all, and civil unrest ensued. Dissident Sangheili began to join the Servants of the Abiding Truth, an old orthodox religious group who opposed the Arbiter led by Avu Med 'Telcam."

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Now that I think about it, whats the remaining threat against humanity after the arbiter dealt with his war? Is it just Cortana (and her "army")?

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Things like piracy, mercenaries, misc religious fanatics, etc.

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after the arbiter dealt with his war?
Man, that reminded me of that Halo 5 line:
The Brass wants nothing to do with the Arbiter’s war.
Eugh

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Dang, I really didn't like fighting Prometheans.

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It's honestly such a lame enemy.

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The flood should still be around, you think well get to mess with them again?

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 12:56 AM

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Maybe much later

lime vine Dec 27, 2019, 12:56 AM

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The next game is actually set in a Halo ring.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:57 AM

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How exactly did the flood survive the rings the first time? Did there second "upcoming" originate from forerunner research facilities?

lime vine Dec 27, 2019, 12:57 AM

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So unless 343i manages to make their own not-Flood so they can make "make the flood their own" like they tried with EVERYTHING Halo, yes.

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kept around in forerunner facilities for study

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like the lab at the gas giant in Halo 2

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Installation 04

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 12:58 AM

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We released the flood for the first time in Halo CE right?

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Oh right, was it our fault or did they break out on their own?

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Or did the forerunners not wait long enough for the flood to starve out?

lime vine Dec 27, 2019, 1:00 AM

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I don't really recall

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It was probably released the same way it always is, by having humans and covenant fighting over their containment whatevers

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:00 AM

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They kept flood specimens behind for futher study and also for awareness.

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There's absolutely NO argument for NOT keeping flood specimens alive.

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The risk of minor outbreaks is completely nullified by the inevitably of intergalactic flood invasion.

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They didn't just store them on Halo Rings, but honestly what better place to store them but the most heavily guarded and monitored Installations?

fading dagger Dec 27, 2019, 1:06 AM

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Hi, inprotest, it is pig dumb not to destroy all flood samples before the suicide scheme. Even if intergalactic flood invasion is inevitable, the mitigation and prevention of outbreak is priority 1. Otherwise, why fire the rings?

lime vine Dec 27, 2019, 1:07 AM

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It's one of those things that happen because the plot needs to happen.

fading dagger Dec 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Even smallpox is only found in like 2 labs. Having it in more labs is a worse idea. The flood is a lot worse than smallpox.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Remember the plan was to fire the rings and have Humanity ascend to the mantle, find the Janus Keys, and with them all Forerunner technology in the Galaxy, with the monitors and the recovered Didact to guide them.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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The rings don't affect the flood, it just kills everything else.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Not true

fading dagger Dec 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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None of which requires having intact flood samples.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Very true, the rings were designed to starve the flood, not kill them.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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The rings are attuned to destroy precursor neurophysics

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They absolutely nuke a Gravemind for example

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While not touching a flood spore for example.

obsidian thistle Dec 27, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Note the Forerunners also believed even after the Firing of the rings that the Flood was indeed still out there. Cause it kinda vanished for a small period of time.

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So the samples is one way the reseeded species could prepare.

Sure it messed up. But those messups lead to the Covies being able to stave off the Flood for years at a time. And Humanity making security protocols and containment procedures and so on.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:12 AM

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The rings only kill sentient life, meaning it has to be alive (and feel). So yes it'll kill the gravemind, because it's sentient, but spores and other sub-speciman flood wont be affected.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:12 AM

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And now the Galaxy is more prepared for an outside flood threat than it would have been had no Flood samples been retained.

obsidian thistle Dec 27, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Without the Samples. How could the Forerunners say "The Flood existed prepare" and have places be ready. It would essentially be opening up the reseeded species to the Floods return.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:18 AM

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The ancient-humans triggered the forerunner-flood war (before the forerunners used the rings), by messing around with precursor "dust" they found in space. But after they used the rings, the forerunners had to wait for the flood to die out. My only question is, did humans stumble across a forerunner research facility and let the flood loose, or did the forerunners just not wait long enough for the flood to starve out (sprinkling life into the galaxy prematurely)

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:18 AM

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the rings kill anything with a nervous system, and anything Precursor.

The rings only kill sentient life, meaning it has to be alive (and feel).

Ants don't have feelings, neither do flies or cockroaches.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:19 AM

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"Halo doesn't kill Flood. It kills their food. Humans, Covenant, whatever. We're all equally edible. The only way to stop the Flood is to starve them to death. And that's exactly what Halo is designed to do: wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life.”

Cortana

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:20 AM

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My only question is, did humans stumble across a forerunner research facility and let the flood loose, or did the forerunners just not wait long enough for the flood to starve out (sprinkling life into the galaxy prematurely)

All Flood in the galaxy when the Array was fired perished, unless they were in containment obviously.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:21 AM

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The flood is the precursors, so "anything Precursor" is technically incorrect with "Halo doesn't kill Flood" being a rather strong point.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Cortana was oversimplifying

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Or had limited information

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The rings do target flood, they just don't completely eradicate it.

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(Obviously that quote was from CE and the lore has since been expanded upon)

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Flood spores don't possess Precursor Neurology is the best explanation we have for them not being killed by the rings. So they're what's left to starve

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:42 AM

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You said yourself the rings kill anything sentient. So they kill the Gravemind, they kill a combat form, kill a pure form, (whether they kill infection forms is still up for debate) kill any Precursor objects and architecture, kill the Domain etc. Moss, algae and flood spores are gucci tho

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:44 AM

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Does.make one wonder. Tragic. Solitude implies you can watch the goings on of the galaxy via the ark. He comments on how war never changes. Always wondered why the forerunners didnt just exile themselves to the ark

lime vine Dec 27, 2019, 1:45 AM

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because they died

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Bungie's pre halo 3 backstory implied some forerunners had kept tabs on the galaxy up to the point of halo 3

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@lime vinethey didnt die

lime vine Dec 27, 2019, 1:45 AM

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they had the constructs for that

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is that why you see them running around in halo 1, 2 and 3?

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oh wait

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:46 AM

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"The Flood exists in a fairly stable state in the absence of a Gravemind. They lack the ability to coordinate their efforts, but the Flood will spawn spontaneously and spread by infecting sentient life forms, specifically those that are self-aware and capable of introspection. This stage of a Flood outbreak is known as the Feral Stage.

During its Feral Stage, the Flood is only capable of local coordination through use of pheromone-based communication. Research indicates that the content of said messages are of very limited complexity. Individual Combat and Carrier Forms have access to the skills and memories of their host; however, once an outbreak establishes a viable Gravemind, the Coordinated Stage begins, and it is at this point the Flood becomes truly dangerous."

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Bungie's iris campaign implied forerunners had been watching the galaxy after leaving. My point here is why did t 343 keep with that and have some camp on the ark for a time

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Perhaps they're watching from Bastion

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:48 AM

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The flood isn't sentient, but those that infect a sentient life form would technically have a "sentient host". All flood without a sentient host are not affected by the ring, with the exception of the gravemind.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Perhaps, but with the release of a gravemind, one would think they give some aid because humanity was utterly boned

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:49 AM

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It all happened rather quickly

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Ancient-Humanity actually did a better job against the flood than the forerunners did.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:49 AM

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In a matter of months

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Humanity actually forced the flood into hiding.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:50 AM

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Not true, the flood had it's own reasons for withdrawing.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:50 AM

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They didnt, flood did that on their own

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:51 AM

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@keen canopy Ancient humanity made the flood eat eachother (on a galactic scale).

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:51 AM

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They never did that...

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Im about to end this mans whole career

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:52 AM

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They injected flood-fighting Genes into s 3rdnof their population and put them on the flood's path

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Unknown to the Forerunners, the Human/San'Shyuum alliance had developed a way to combat and eventually defeat the Flood. By manipulating key strands of the Flood's genetic buildup, and infecting a third of the human population with this code, then placing them directly along the pathway of the Flood, the humans were able to alter the resultant Flood, causing it to turn upon itself. As a result, the Flood began to tear itself apart on a galactic level, further spreading the Human/San'Shyuum genetic weapon, and causing the Flood to wipe itself out.

Knowing that it faced its own extinction, what remained of the uninfected, stable specimens fled the galaxy aboard a commandeered vessel and remained dormant for thousands of years, biding their time.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:52 AM

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To humanity, the Gene appeared to ravage the flood in a cellular level

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:53 AM

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The flood was just pranking them @mellow flame . And they pranked you too

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 1:53 AM

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that never says they eat eachother

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:53 AM

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Humanity literally pulled a reverse uno card on the flood

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@wicked pasture They tear eachother apart, and infect eachother, spreading the gene. It's a flood within the flood.

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Fake news. The Flood tricked them.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:55 AM

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sigh hex, the flood purposely retreated to prevent humanity from being wiped out by the forerunners. The retreat would look like humanity's tactic worked

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Where did you even find that quote?

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 1:55 AM

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The Flood simply chose not to infect certain humans.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:55 AM

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This is so meta, it's like we have a real Ancient Human in here patting himself on the back

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"we did it guys"

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:57 AM

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You know

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I wonder if that quote was from halo nation

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Lmao

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Not trying to be mean

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Just have seen things on there aren't updated as much as others

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 1:57 AM

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https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Flood#cite_note-bestiarum-0 (under background)

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 1:58 AM

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That’s not exactly considered to be a reliable site.

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Halopedia is what most of us use.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Yep

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Plus we have some of their editors to clarify problems

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But yes, @mellow flame have you read the forerunner books?

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 2:01 AM

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The wide, flat head canted to one side, as if savoring some demonic irony.

“No immunity. Judgment. Timing.”```

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:01 AM

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However, no immunity or cure to the Flood existed; the Flood had chosen to stop infecting humans. this one is from Halopedia

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Someone's certainly having their mind blown a lot today

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It's such a shame Halo Alpha shows up first on google searches. It's probably the primary reason for all the misinformation we see here.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:05 AM

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At least there's a place to learn

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Used to be only halopedia and books

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:06 AM

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@keen canopy The objective is to find the source of said information.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:07 AM

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So go to Halopedia

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Where (almost) everything is sourced.

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:08 AM

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also halo alpha was abandoned for halopedia in February

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Indeed, the second Great Schism of our time.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:09 AM

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the sundering of an age

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Source: Halo: Cryptum - page 185

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:09 AM

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page 185 eh?, well let's take a look shall we?

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Odd, Halopedia uses that same source very often.

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Whos got the book

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:10 AM

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me

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:10 AM

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i do

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Indeed, and interestingly, it doesn't heavily misconstrue and extrapolate what the source says like the Halo Nation passage you quoted.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Check page 185

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 2:10 AM

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I quoted the passage that says the Flood chose not to infect

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:10 AM

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looking at that page right now

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that page is the didac ttalking to the confirmer about the san shyuum

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mostly about taking the humans to the surface, and his kids; durances

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:13 AM

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The e-book and paper book will be different (page size difference, meaning different page count).

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Im not sure which one they're sourcing, likely the paper book.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Yea Halopedia is in the process of shifting to sourcing chapters instead of page numbers for that reason

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:15 AM

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either way, the flood never "ate" itself due to the genes humanity created and said genes, unless 343 changes it later, were never a cure for the flood

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:15 AM

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I wish they would just SS or full site the passage they're referring to.

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@terse lava According to the book that halopedia sites, they destroyed themselves (nearly eliminating them completely) forcing them into hiding for thousands of years.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Not true

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:16 AM

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that's how it appeared to humanity and forerunners

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the flood's reaction was their equailivent of a magic trick

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Did you miss the excerpt Ostral posted

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:17 AM

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I did, but there's literally no context for it.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:17 AM

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found the pages talking of this

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give me a moment

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:18 AM

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"However, no immunity or cure to the Flood existed; the Flood had chosen to stop infecting humans." That doesn't explain why the flood were killing eachother

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And it wasn't a cure or immunity, it was a "counter disease".

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:19 AM

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@mellow flame This is the Primordial speaking to the IsoDidact:

“But most humans are immune,” the Didact said. Then he seemed to understand, and lowered his great head between his shoulders like a bull about to charge. “Can the Flood choose to infect, or not to infect?”

The wide, flat head canted to one side, as if savoring some demonic irony.

“No immunity. Judgment. Timing.”

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:19 AM

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A gene that infects the flood

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:19 AM

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the gene didn't nothing to the flood, the flood themselves made it appear it did

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Where does it say that anywhere.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:20 AM

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that quote from the 2nd forerunner book

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:20 AM

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What quote, quote it.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:20 AM

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the Primordial talking the bornstellar

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...it's right up there

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ostral quoted it..twice

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:21 AM

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So your telling me this extremely vague quote "No immunity. Judgment. Timing.” means "yea we faked the whole thing".

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 2:22 AM

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Yes.

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:22 AM

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youll have to get used to everything being vague in the halo universe

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:22 AM

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But the gene wasn't an immunity or a cure. So how is that referring to the gene?

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:22 AM

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least with the pre-halo array times

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because the gene was what humanity tried, it's what kept them from being wiped out by the forerunners

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to humanity, it appeared to ravage the flood, damage them

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to the forerunners, whose war fleets came across the flood, they found human systems deep in flood territory

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humans perfectly fine and not suffering from flood taint

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though that one is from the 3rd book

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:24 AM

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That's all speculation, theres literally close to no context to that quote.

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Before and after that quote, were they directly speaking about the gene that sent the flood into hiding?

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Lets put it this way @mellow flame, the gene you're talking about, and the "cure" the Didact was asking about are the same thing

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The Forerunners didn't know the details

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:26 AM

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not even humanity knew the details

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:26 AM

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It appeared to them as a "Cure"

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:26 AM

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But the flood does, they just don't specify any events or dates..?

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:27 AM

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it's why the forerunners, in 10,000 years of picking apart and going through preserved human minds, memories, they never found anything on the cure

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:28 AM

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That's because those with the gene... Are the flood, attacking the other flood.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:28 AM

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alright.....

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you have a source for that

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a source directly stating that infected humans, with the gene, themselves attacked other flood forms

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:28 AM

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It's literally in the paragraph I quoted

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:29 AM

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a source from a website

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i am asking fro a book source

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:29 AM

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Unknown to the Forerunners, the Human/San'Shyuum alliance had developed a way to combat and eventually defeat the Flood. By manipulating key strands of the Flood's genetic buildup, and infecting a third of the human population with this code, then placing them directly along the pathway of the Flood, the humans were able to alter the resultant Flood, causing it to turn upon itself. As a result, the Flood began to tear itself apart on a galactic level, further spreading the Human/San'Shyuum genetic weapon, and causing the Flood to wipe itself out.

Knowing that it faced its own extinction, what remained of the uninfected, stable specimens fled the galaxy aboard a commandeered vessel and remained dormant for thousands of years, biding their time.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:29 AM

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The paragraph you quoted isn't valid as discussed earlier

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:29 AM

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infecting a third of the human population with this code, then placing them directly along the pathway of the Flood, the humans were able to alter the resultant Flood, causing it to turn upon itself.

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Halo: Cryptum - page 185

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:30 AM

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ok, let's try this another way

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:30 AM

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It's not reflected in the source.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:30 AM

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the source, Halo: Crytum, never has it like that

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similar? yes, but not that

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 2:32 AM

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@mellow flame That was inaccurate information transmitted to the characters narrating. It was what they had been told, not what was actually true.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:32 AM

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found the page

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271

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They found a cure(Here I detected in the doucments the admiration of the lifeshaper herself.) Sacrifice yet again. Fully a third of the human species must be themselves altered, placed in the pathway of the Flood infestation, and fight fire with fire by infecteing the FLood itself with a destrutive set of programmed genes. The flood hd no defense, and most of it died off. A few ships carrying the last of the Flood escaped and left the galaxy once again, destinations unknown."

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:36 AM

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In reality, while humanity's efforts indeed produced the intended result and repulsed the Flood threat, it was later revealed by the Primordial that the Flood retreated by its own initiative, as humanity was not yet to be "tested" by the Flood. As such, humanity's survival was in fact due to the Flood's deliberate decision not to infect human populations, as the Precursors had determined to use the Flood to punish the Forerunners first.

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 2:37 AM

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What’s that from?

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Halopedia

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Cited from Halo: Primordium pages 364-365

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:38 AM

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need to get that 2nd book...

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Well, good to know my source was correct lmao. Almost word for word.

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What you guys are sourcing is Halo: Silentium, page 37

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Which I think is a second take on what i'm referencing

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 2:40 AM

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My quote was from Primodium

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:40 AM

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Bro what are these books

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Why is this same story discussed in 3 books, in 3 different manners.

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:40 AM

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the forerunner trilogy

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:40 AM

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becuase the flood "cure" was a central plot point

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:41 AM

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it is the same story spread over three books

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:42 AM

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I'd just like to point out that my source was 100% credible and yall doubted me. Looks like Halopedia left out some info.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Uh

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:42 AM

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I quoted mine direfectly from the book itself....

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word per word

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:42 AM

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@terse lava With typos, yes. And it reflected exactly what my paragraph said.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Halo Nation completely misconstrued it though

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Not exactly.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:42 AM

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It was false information

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:43 AM

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exactly

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 2:43 AM

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Your source added bits about it causing the Flood to tear itself apart which... was never part of the original text.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:43 AM

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@mellow flame It never mentions infected humans fighting flood, it mentions the infected genes going after flood genes

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"fight fire with fire," infect the infector

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Like "antibodies"

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:44 AM

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In Cryptum it is from the Didact's knowledge at the time. In Primordium it is from the Primordial's discussion on the topic with the Didact. In Silentium it is from the Librarian's knowledge at the time.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:44 AM

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@terse lava Your quote from the book: "They found a cure(Here I detected in the doucments the admiration of the lifeshaper herself.) Sacrifice yet again. Fully a third of the human species must be themselves altered, placed in the pathway of the Flood infestation, and fight fire with fire by infecteing the FLood itself with a destrutive set of programmed genes. The flood hd no defense, and most of it died off. A few ships carrying the last of the Flood escaped and left the galaxy once again, destinations unknown."

Fully a third of the human species must be themselves altered, placed in the pathway of the Flood infestation, and fight fire with fire by infecteing the FLood itself with a destrutive set of programmed genes.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:45 AM

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yes, the genes, not the humans themselves

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:45 AM

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that is what the didact believes at the time but he has no way to verify it

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:45 AM

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So they just threw bottles of genes at the flood?

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:45 AM

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...bottles?

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they infected humans with altered genetics, the altered gentics, from what the humans saw, destroyed the flood on the celluar level

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 2:46 AM

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The Didact (or whoever the narrator is in this case) is simply assuming that is what happened, based on his or her knowledge of the situation.

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:46 AM

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After the Flood began to ravage the Forerunners' ecumene, Forerunner scientists led by Master Builder Faber tried in vain to extract information on the cure from humans' ancestral memories, imprinted as part of their geas by the Librarian, unaware that the cure never really existed.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Lmao, the humans infected themselves, and sacrificed themselves to the flood, where upon being "killed/eaten/whatever" infected the flood, triggering a chain reaction of infections throughout the flood.

wicked pasture Dec 27, 2019, 2:47 AM

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... unaware that the cure never really existed.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:47 AM

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yes hex, there, that's it

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 2:47 AM

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But that’s not what actually occurred

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Except the chain reaction presumably never really occurred. It would have just been the Flood putting on a show to make it look like humanity had figured something out.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 2:48 AM

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from the human perpective that;s what happened

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:48 AM

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I'm not doubting the second perspective anymore, now that literal quotes from the books are put into context (not a vague 4 word quote). Now im just defending the credibility of my information lmao.

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You guys were entirely denying that the quote existed, and that the flood wasnt attacking the flood, and that the humans didn't sacrifice themselves to infect the flood.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:50 AM

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We weren't

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 2:50 AM

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We were denying that it was the whole truth.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Hol up chat logs

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2EEZY// Street Cred out now
"It's such a shame Halo Alpha shows up first on google searches. It's probably the primary reason for all the misinformation we see here."

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Yea you were definitely misinformed

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Because it didn't have the whole story

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:53 AM

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They tear eachother apart, and infect eachother, spreading the gene. It's a flood within the flood.

Humanity literally pulled a reverse uno card on the flood

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Oh you know what, I actually understand what you were trying to say the whole time now.

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Now that I read through the logs.

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@keen canopy
The first one is entirely true, supported by the quote "The flood had no defense, and most of it died off"
The second one is true from the humans perspective.

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Well.

Given that the entire ordeal was a ruse by the Flood... I wouldn't say the first bit is true.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:57 AM

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For the last time

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:57 AM

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"most of it died off", so they did tear each other apart.

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 2:57 AM

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From an outsider perspective, it would look like humanity's plan worked.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:57 AM

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The flood chose to retreat. They wanted it to appear that way to Humanity

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Yes, they chose to retreat, but the flood did tear each other apart (to sell the idea that the gene worked).

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 2:59 AM

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You just said:

@2EEZY// Street Cred out now
The first one is entirely true, supported by the quote "The flood had no defense, and most of it died off"

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Which was in response to your "first" quote

They tear eachother apart, and infect eachother, spreading the gene. It's a flood within the flood.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:01 AM

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No infecting happened, no flood within the flood happened, no speeading any gene happened. The gene did not work.

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It was just a prank bro

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:01 AM

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or infected humans fighting flood

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:02 AM

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Gene or no gene, it worked. They killed off most of the flood lmao.

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Still a reverse uno card in my books.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:03 AM

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It didn't work

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 3:03 AM

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They killed off most of the flood lmao.
Who is 'they' here? Humans? Because they didn't. The Flood did that of their own volition.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:03 AM

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I know the gene didn't work, but the flood sacrificed most of themselves to make the humans think it worked

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Ultimately the humans plan worked, because the flood "tactically retreated" for thousands of years (and sacrifised most of themselves in the process)

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During those thousands of years the forerunners developed the Halo Array, which literally foiled the floods "ruse".

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:06 AM

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No????

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:07 AM

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Or am I the R-word, the Halo array was already developed.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:07 AM

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You're not man

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:07 AM

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foiled it? the flood retreated not just to keep humanity going, but to waste the forerunner's time in looking for a cure, and when the array itself was built and activated, the gravemind outright taunted them on their failure to uphold the mantle

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:07 AM

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Just misinformed

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:09 AM

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well that is why this place pretty much is here

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:09 AM

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That makes no sense though strategically, how does the flood gain any advantage with that plan?

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:10 AM

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revenge

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Is it just that the flood/precursors know they've been defeated, but they just want to prolong events to "taunt" the forerunners?

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:11 AM

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no, it's revenge

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the Precursors/flood wanted revenge on the forerunners

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:12 AM

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How is it revenge though? They're doing nothing of any significance, they aren't winning or defeating anyone?

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:12 AM

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they prove to the forerunners that the forerunners can't uphold the mantle and were never worthy of t

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:13 AM

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They defeated the Forerunners in a philosophical sense.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:13 AM

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yea

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:13 AM

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What do you mean by upholding the mantle? Do you mean like maintaining control/order?

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Besides, the Flood aren't interested in "winning," but rather with consuming all living organisms to unite them in unending misery.

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Upholding the ideals of the Mantle

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:14 AM

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The Flood are basically insane Precursors, after all.

lean trellis Dec 27, 2019, 3:14 AM

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infected precursors

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:14 AM

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A show of force to show the Forerunners they were never really capable of protecting life in the galaxy

lean trellis Dec 27, 2019, 3:14 AM

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or corrupted foresay

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Well the precursors created the forerunners, and the forerunners overthrew them? So was the flood trying to get the forerunners creations (humans etc.) to overthrow them?

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:15 AM

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The longer the Forerunners look in vain for a cure, the more opportunity the Flood has to spread.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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humans were made by precursors too in the haloverse

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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The Flood was a result of Precursors wanting to get revenge on the Forerunners for their little hissy fit about being not deemed worthy of the Mantle

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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the 2nd forerunner novel implies humans and forerunners were once one race that later went their own ways

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:16 AM

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... no, lol

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 3:17 AM

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No.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Why not

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Because.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Lmao was a joke

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:17 AM

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All the precursors are dead right? I read that only a few were corrupted, and then the rest just embraced the corruption and joined them.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:17 AM

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no

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some simply fled

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and apparently went deep under reality

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they are off creating things in other galaxies

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:18 AM

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So, theres a chance we could meet one eventually?

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:18 AM

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I would like to see the day when mainline Halo protagonists don't have to be the Master Chief, but also aren't done poorly like Locke.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Same

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Gimme N'tho, Usze, Rtas, or whoever.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:18 AM

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@mellow flame maybe?

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Yea like grey team

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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and yes, want some proper non-chief story plots

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Locke was unlikable because he was contesting Chief, our lord and savior. The idea was interesting, but hard to like.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Or buck

sharp flicker Dec 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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i wanna eventually see a game about the human-forerunner war

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Imagine the crap flinging if 343 announced a mainline game where the protagonist wasn't Chief...

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Playing as Alpha 9 was sick

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Same for Noble

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Locke was unlikable because he was contesting Chief, our lord and savior. The idea was interesting, but hard to like.```
I disliked him because he felt as bland as John was in H2/H3.

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Halo 3 John is at least better than Halo 2 John.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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yea, locke was...just dull

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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I think that was just H5's problem with characters in general.

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Too many of them, not enough campaign time to do anything with them.

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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But then again, he didn't have an interesting Arby plotline to contend with.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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least vale had that nifty bit of "I can read sangheili"

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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@feral perch the mainline games should always feature chief but side games that would be cool

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Also the marketing around H5 was pretty trash.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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and had been to tough sangheili colonies

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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@random cradle Why?

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Would like a flood horror game

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Halo CE

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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I would happily buy a main game with chief not there

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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least vale had that nifty bit of "I can read sangheili"
Which was only sorta-relevant for a single line in the first mission. 😋

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:21 AM

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@gilded mason Compared to the rest of the group? Works for me

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 3:21 AM

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lol

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:21 AM

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@mellow flame the marketing was great but the eventual game didn’t live up to t hype

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:21 AM

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H5 campaign: where everyone's just kinda... there.

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 3:21 AM

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Spy game starring Ayit 'Sevi.

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Osiris could've taken the day off and the only big thing that would have changed is that 'Mdama and his Covenant would live to see another day...

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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I can now only see him as a red/blue spy from team fortress

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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@random cradle That's what I mean, the way the game was portrayed via marketing wasn't parallel with the actual game.

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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I was incredibly hyped for Halo 5. And then I played the campaign. Wow.

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Multiplayer is great though.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Do you believe nazit could be a character in the future

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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I really hope so.

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Love that guy

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Same

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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What if....

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He's the leader of the Halo Infinite Covenant faction?

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:23 AM

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I hated the story of the campaign, but I actually enjoyed the immersion of the missions.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:23 AM

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In what

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:23 AM

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It's not like Guardians would have any reason to visit Netherop

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:23 AM

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H5

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:23 AM

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@gilded mason "I am well Tam, I am"

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Sang Helios was really good

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Would like to see another mission there

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Yea, walking around the camp was pretty sick.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:24 AM

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quite enjoyable yes

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Yea

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:24 AM

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...only real good part of that game was sangheilos

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Yea

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:24 AM

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If only Sanghelios had a red sky like in the novels

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Theres alot of "extra dialogue" with all the AI in the camp that I found interesting.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Yes

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:25 AM

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@feral perch Perhaps it's just a climate thing

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certain areas

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Like the northern lights?

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Like the medic arguing with a patient about the dishonor/honor of a medic and stuff.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:26 AM

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kinda, Vadam does appear to be in a more ancient area of the planet, as the area was attacked by san shyuum thousands of years before

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:26 AM

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The whole game was likely supposed to be Osiris and Sangheilios. Microsoft forced 343 to make Halo 5 instead of a spinoff.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:26 AM

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Funny thing about h5, is I only played the first mission. Watched playthroughs for the rest.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:27 AM

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You know

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:27 AM

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There's literally no evidence that Microsoft forced any design changes on 343i for Halo 5.

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None. Zero.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:27 AM

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the sad part, halo 5 would have been perfect as a sangheili based game

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:27 AM

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True @feral perch

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I see everyone scapegoating Microsoft but it's like... no.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I just don't see any other explanation for 343 deviating so heavily from their original plan

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:27 AM

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What was their original plan?

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Halo 5 would have been perfect if it was not halo 5

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Do they really have an original plan though?

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Hunt the truth was the original plan

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:28 AM

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@feral perch for one, the didact was spposed to be more involved post halo 4

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Even before that

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Because H4 and H5 felt like a "wrap it up".

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Halo 4?

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:29 AM

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H4 put 343 in a pretty solid position for exploring the Halo universe in different ways.

It was the media that followed that wrapped up pretty much all of the interesting plot threads left unfinished.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Yea but that was only because it had no story

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Want to see more on the swords of snaghelios

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Snaghelios yo, we gonna snag you real good

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Lol

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Typo

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:31 AM

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I hated H4 because the Prometheans were just gaslighted. I expected there to be some mystery and subtle hints leading up to there discovery, but it was more of a "heres the entire promethean army and everything you need to know about them".

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:31 AM

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H4 had a pretty well-defined story. Left Chief in a position to more explore him as a person as opposed to the blank slate action movie hero of H2/3. Didact still out there as a threat.

Spartan Ops had plenty of material to work with as well.

And then Escalation swoops in and kills all of it.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:32 AM

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yea, those could have been done better, more types and what not

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:32 AM

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Escalation was just a boring comic tbh

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Nothing happened

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:32 AM

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@unique rune and Black team

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@unique rune nothing to lose your head over though

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:32 AM

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Black Team still upsets me.

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Literally the dumbest decision ever made in canon.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:33 AM

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indeed

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Worse than Halo: Reach's campaign.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:33 AM

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well, not in canon as a whole, but yea, pretty up there

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Yea, but forerunners were like, mythical and godlike to most people playing halo. A huge mystery, and then they just drop the whole promethean army in one game.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:33 AM

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I can't find the source but, I definitely recall reading somewhere that "Project OSIRIS" was begun as a spinoff that wasn't a part of the Reclaimer saga directly.

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Nah man, I think that is the single dumbest decision in the entirety of the canon.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:33 AM

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It later became Halo 5 and continued the Reclaimer saga.

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:33 AM

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"Oh, well-liked Spartan-IIs with defined character traits and interesting team dynamics? Well, I guess we aren't using them so just let Reed kill them off. I'm sure no one will mind."

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:34 AM

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I admit though, I did find that one black team member amusing, the one who befrineded Hopalong, forgot what her name was though

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:34 AM

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What 343 did to t he m was just a crime

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:34 AM

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NAY, IT WAS HERESY

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Prophet of Objection eyyy

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Escalation was a bunch of confused stumbling in general.

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There were some interesting bits, but they got kinda outweighed by the dumb.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:35 AM

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don't forget the part where Dr Halsey, WON against a CONTENDER CLASS forerunenr ai

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:36 AM

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That's not all that surprising...

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:36 AM

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that's a bigger break of canon to me then black team

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how not?

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:36 AM

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It's Halsey. She's a genius.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:36 AM

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that's...not a decent reason

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Oh well.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:36 AM

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-shrug- who else but Halsey I guess

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:36 AM

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"Hey, what about the Absolute Record and the Janus Key?"
"Halsey was mean to a Contender-class AI in Escalation and it said no"

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:37 AM

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heh, when you think of it like that....

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Oh while you guys are here. Is there like a list of spartan professions/trades anywhere? You know how like normal squads will have a field medic, engineer, scout/sniper, navigator, etc.? Did they have categories of spartans dedicated to specific kinds of tasks?

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:37 AM

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off the top of my head linda was long range and fred close quarter combat

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Not really dedicated.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:38 AM

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more...good at really

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Spartans are jack-of-all-trades soldiers. There's so few of them, they have to be.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Nobody likes palmer

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Some people do.

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:38 AM

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I like Palmer well enough.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:38 AM

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What was that thing she said to chief? I can't remember.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Yea just bad writing in 4 and escalation

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:39 AM

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"I thought you'd be taller"

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And then everyone misconstrued that as being disrespectful...

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:39 AM

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What if chief just backhanded her

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Palmer was....not my favorite, but that had more to do with her seeming to "stiff" to me

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:39 AM

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It'd certainly be a break in character for Chief.
He knows better than to lash out at someone for a joke.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:39 AM

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"I tHoUgHt yOu'D bE tAlLeR" https://external-preview.redd.it/NJNaq0QSyE3_R4RWhw3ELF-DQ8uEYaBeMlRZcC9O3Vc.jpg?auto=webp&s=da999692fb5f9786fcc29d9571feee80e4c5adb6

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Well, I've come to think that given that Palmer was an ODST, and how soldiers often banter with one another, and how Chief's hero worship, both meta and canon, is excessive....

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That line of dialogue isn't really bad. The fans are just being possessive of something that isn't even theirs.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:40 AM

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it's theirs in spirit

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Eh, sure, but it's not their intellectual property.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Yes palmers intentions where in the right place

raven delta Dec 27, 2019, 3:41 AM

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I mean chief did literally save the galaxy like 3 times

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Well, the whole dynamic of the game is that they're hunting chief. So everyone will naturally want chief to beat them all up for even looking at him funny.

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Yes, Chief was instrumental in saving the galaxy.

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The line does come off as arrogant, but Chief doesn't need fanboys rushing to his defense.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:42 AM

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cough arbiter too cough

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:42 AM

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No kidding

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:43 AM

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If palmer said it to arby we would be equally upset.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:44 AM

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maybe

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:44 AM

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what... The b word is censored... the one directed at old people.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Boomer

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:44 AM

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But with an "ok" in front of it

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:45 AM

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what does that even have to do with the conversation though?

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kinda random

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:45 AM

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That’s good so people do not spam that

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:45 AM

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@terse lava I was gonna say chief should of hit palmer with the "ok insert the word" when she said it.

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:45 AM

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I would like to see a fitting end given to the Chief that is almost universally loved, like with Avengers Endgame.

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It's not impossible.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:46 AM

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@mellow flame Huh..guess I just don't see the humor

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Or they could just send chief back in time

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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No that would just confuse everything

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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time travel
Yeah, um, no thanks.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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already been done once

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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hulk meme

sharp flicker Dec 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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time travel is way too hard to do in a way that isnt confusing for the audience

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Time travel lowkey happened in the halo universe... And it was one of chiefs buddies

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:47 AM

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chief himself too

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

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I thought it was just 1 female spartan II and shes still stuck in the 21st century?

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

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that's non canon

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

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I mean, sure, it's happened before, but I don't want to involve time travel in the conclusion of the games. That just seems unsatisfying and underwhelming to me.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:48 AM

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can't quite remember

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wasn't it after the picked up halsey and the others?

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or before?

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Non-canon version = cooler

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Before.

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Yes but non cannon makes me uninterested because nothing in it matters

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:50 AM

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How do you feel about the Halo TV show, then?

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:51 AM

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ehhh, playing a wait and see game here

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:51 AM

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~~holy crap the TV show is still supposed to be a thing~~

random cradle Dec 27, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Not to good

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Well, it is non-canon lore created by bungie lol

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Are we gonna be celebrating the 10th anniversary of the TV show's announcement by the time it finally airs?

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:52 AM

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what was created by bungie? @mellow flame

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maybe we will

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:52 AM

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http://halo.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=7349 @terse lava

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:52 AM

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don't forget, back in the early 2000s the movie

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heh ah yeah

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i remember that

versed helm Dec 27, 2019, 3:52 AM

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bruv

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:52 AM

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They made a spartan for "Dead or Alive"

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With her own story and stuff

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:53 AM

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yea, naomi was interesting

unique rune Dec 27, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Set to air in 2021... good lord.

By then it'll have been 8 years since it was announced.
Hard to believe it was supposed to launch around the same as H5.

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:53 AM

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you mean Nicole, Ado.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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it's been a looong day

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i am not thinking straight

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 3:56 AM

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happy boxing day

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:56 AM

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but yea, Nicole XD

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:56 AM

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I'm a couple beers deep trying my best not to get into debates

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Happy boxing day

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 3:57 AM

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oh, don't drink, just a long work day

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Have all of the spartan 2's been accounted for in lore, or is there still room to "make your own spartan" in fan fic lore?

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 3:58 AM

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There's still some room but you'd be quite constrained IIRC

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 3:59 AM

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What about Spartan 4's

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 3:59 AM

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technically we still don't know who 6 of the Red Team Spartans in RED FLAG were.

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even if we fill up the roster with guesses we still have 3 unaccounted for/unnamed.

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 4:00 AM

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I saw some speculation that Chief's fellow Spartans in the Showtime series make up some of those Red Flag Red Teamers.

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I'd love a complete roster of every Spartan-II, one day.

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:00 AM

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I'm one of the ones who suggested that initially, I think.

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back when everyone was moaning about how "but they're not Blue Team"

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:02 AM

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What do you guys think a monitor and the sentinals do on an unvisited installation? Just fly around? Do they just keep building stuff?

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Maintain the ring and run simulations

feral perch Dec 27, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Ah, the days when Spartan-II Fireteams were known for being fluid.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 4:03 AM

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tell themselves they are geniuses

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Silent Storm and Oblivion were the perfect chance to show that was still a thing, alas, twas not to be.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 4:04 AM

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or go stark raving mad from rampancy, you knowm the usual stuff

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 4:04 AM

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This installation has a successful utilization record of 1.2 trillion simulated and one actual

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:04 AM

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I was thinking of creating a fanfic about a spartan 4 and an elite ending up on installation 06, and it's heavily active with every variant of sentinel (doing normal sentinel things). To explore the casual version of a ring.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 4:05 AM

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honestly, would have better luck of them on a shield world

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:05 AM

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are you also making art for this?

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 4:05 AM

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hundreds of those

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:05 AM

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And the installation monitor (whos going rampant) just kinda chills with them

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 4:05 AM

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actaully

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:05 AM

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you mentioned the bodysuit questions prior, so I'm just curious.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 4:05 AM

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Broken Circle does do that...kinda

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sangheili end up living on a shield world and the monitor if fine with it

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was fine with it

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:06 AM

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@stoic hamlet Yea I do artwork, the spartan 4 is basically going to be an armorless spartan.

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:07 AM

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there's a few fan art pieces of Spartans in tech-suits.....many not SFW, but still.particularly

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Well it wouldn't be raunchy, it would be a genuine portrayal of a real female spartan.

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:08 AM

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the poses are....suggestive, but still could be useful for references, if you want a few examples?

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yeah, I get ya

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:08 AM

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I already have a reference

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/a/a8/H5G-Techsuit_female.jpg

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:08 AM

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I just can't think of many good official references.

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ah, yeah that's a good one.

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 4:09 AM

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A Spartan 4 without Gen 2 Mjolnir is a bit weaker than an unarmored S-II or III

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Well, the idea is that it's a PVE environment rather than a warzone. No need for armor, just survival and co-existing with sentinels.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 4:10 AM

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wildlife would pose a problem

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look at how big thornbeasts are

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:11 AM

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Both the female spartan and elite will be medics, which gives the elite opportunity to have dialogue about honor (because medics were considered a dishonor before Swords of Singhelios).

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And gives them a reason to be together, they both could have been dispatched to a field infirmary, only thing I have to work out is how they got to 06.

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Slipspace error possibly, maybe they were given a less reliable transport because medics aren't entirely valued or respected.

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:15 AM

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why would they be unarmoured? damage, or for the scene has she simply removed it?

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:16 AM

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The spartan would be armored, but on 06 she would eventually ditch it realizing there was and wont be any "serious" threat on the installation (because the monitor would be welcoming).

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:16 AM

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it poses a major security risk though.

versed helm Dec 27, 2019, 4:16 AM

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idk

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if i had such shmacy armour, the only time i would remove it is when i was dead

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Well, a spartan is faster and more agile without the armor.

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:18 AM

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I can't imagine a IV would be as protective about their armour as a II or III, but it wouldneed to be a better reason than there was simply no need for it.

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oh, no, that's not correct

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especially for a IV

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without the armour they're basically just peak human, not necessarily "super"

versed helm Dec 27, 2019, 4:19 AM

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without the armour they're just stronger ODSTS

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:19 AM

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also, MJOLNIR amplifies strength and speed.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Without the plate armor they're still the same spartan, with the same speed and strength. They just lose the element of having a "shield".

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 4:19 AM

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not true

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:19 AM

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not the IV's

versed helm Dec 27, 2019, 4:19 AM

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DUDE

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the armour is their second skin

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it enhances their speed and reflexes

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not to mention privacy

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:20 AM

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It's only a second skin to II's and III's, in the sense they feel uncomfortable without it.

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a IV wouldn't have that perspective.

versed helm Dec 27, 2019, 4:21 AM

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i dont think the IIIs would either

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 4:21 AM

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The techsuit is comfortable to wear for extended periods of time and constitutes the base of Spartans' service uniform, though it provides limited ability enhancement without access to external power. When paired with the compact fusion reactor and shield generators in a Mjolnir cuirass the full capabilities of the techsuit are unlocked. It contains channels and distribution webbing for regenerative energy shielding and the exoskeleton musculature can operate at full power, further increasing the wearer's agility and raw strength

versed helm Dec 27, 2019, 4:21 AM

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since they have SPI

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:21 AM

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they're even more isolationist/anti-social than the II's.

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thy all have MJOLNIR by 2553

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Oh, well then what exact piece of armor is needed to bring the techsuit to full "power".

gilded mason Dec 27, 2019, 4:22 AM

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When paired with the compact fusion reactor and shield generators in a Mjolnir cuirass the full capabilities of the techsuit are unlocked.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Agility and strength wise. No need for the extra shields and such.

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 4:23 AM

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the armor needs to be powered to work properly

versed helm Dec 27, 2019, 4:23 AM

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it's the armour's movement enhancing ability

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and the power too. yeah

keen canopy Dec 27, 2019, 4:23 AM

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IIs and IIIs are Spartans out of armor. IVs aren't quite.

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:23 AM

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I'm assuming the fusion reactor is what brings the tech suit to full speed

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:23 AM

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if it has no power you're moving the plating by your own weight

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 4:23 AM

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can they even move them without power?

versed helm Dec 27, 2019, 4:24 AM

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you cant move the armour without power

mellow flame Dec 27, 2019, 4:24 AM

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Yea...

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The tech suit yes. Idk about the armor

versed helm Dec 27, 2019, 4:24 AM

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we see in 3, chief's armour locks up since the reactor fuses

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:24 AM

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I think you can move the armour, just not very well

versed helm Dec 27, 2019, 4:24 AM

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same in the trailer for infinite

terse lava Dec 27, 2019, 4:24 AM

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never thought on that all these years

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odd

versed helm Dec 27, 2019, 4:24 AM

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he needs to be jumpstarted

stoic hamlet Dec 27, 2019, 4:25 AM

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that was a problem in the Mark II suits IIRC