When in doubt, nuke it out
#lore-and-universe
feral perch
true shadow
That and at the time they hadn’t integrated shield technology
unique rune
The main problem with Mk. I-III was power, yeah.
Had to be tethered to a generator or limited by wireless power transmission range.
gilded mason
Say HW1 instead
brisk swift
....why was that deleted
gilded mason
Because a very silly spoiler policy is in place right now
Also yes, HW1 has Red Team use Mark IV
brisk swift
thanks
feral perch
laser sticks and pew-pew guns shouldn't oppress plasma swords and bang-bang guns, man. Can't wait for the censor to leave.
brisk swift
well thats the fun part of the system right. how easy it is to port it to later issues
i bet when they come up with Mark VIII they'll find a way to put the Mark IV parts on it
the wiki legit states they port over the older parts but thats just weird terminology
feral perch
There won't ever be a Mark VIII I don't think.
gilded mason
They're on Gen3, so no Mark 8
brisk swift
just saying, no matter how far the line foes, theres gotta be a way to make the old parts work
feral perch
GEN2 and GEN3 outmoded the Mark system.
unique rune
Well.
At some point it's not gonna be worth making newer systems compatible with older generations.
unique rune
Yeah, Chief's got GEN3 in Infinite.
gilded mason
Yes, the Infinite trailer introduced it
hollow meadow
I see. Cool~
brisk swift
huh, i thought he was still in his Mark Vi. oh well
gilded mason
He hasn't worn Mark IV since before CE
brisk swift
thats the second time ive got that in the wrong order
hollow meadow
It does look like the classic Mark VI but no, this is a fully new suit
gilded mason
Ah, you fixed it
feral perch
Is GEN1 a retroactive label?
unique rune
Pretty much.
feral perch
Bubblegum dispenser.
gilded mason
It can make coffee
unique rune
Mk. I-VI were only referred to as GEN1 after GEN2 was introduced
feral perch
Netflix built in.
unique rune
Mostly since there was no reason to call it GEN1 since the Mark designations took care of it
brisk swift
usb slots for AI instead of crystals
feral perch
Neural physics, man.
hollow meadow
Amazon Alexa compatibility
brisk swift
wifi connection?
unique rune
Think of them as like space alligator clamps
hollow meadow
And built-in Skyrim
unique rune
like jumpstarting a car
I'd imagine any of the power that went unused would have gone back to the Pelican.
feral perch
GEN3 has a fusion reactor as power I'd imagine, so once it gets booted back up, it probably has enough spare energy to restart the Pelican.
unique rune
Built in early 2559... last updated in late 2561... whatever the GEN3 armor is running on, it's almost certainly able to last some time.
I'm sure we will.
feral perch
Taking a nap, ofc
gilded mason
What a lazy guy
hollow meadow
I mean he likes chilling peacefully in space. It's a favorite hobby of his
feral perch
Prometheans probably.
gilded mason
He accidently stepped on the "Screw everything up" button.
feral perch
Oh yeah, that's more likely.
hollow meadow
He let the Reds pilot his Pelican
feral perch
Thinking about what he said, it just raises so many questions. They lost everything. Who lost everything? Infinity? The UNSC? who, dangit?
gilded mason
Guessing the Forces at the ring
unique rune
Turns out "everything" is the name of someone's pet dog
feral perch
I doubt that.
hollow meadow
Oh god, I hope it's not the Flood. I do not want to fight them in vehicles again
feral perch
Making it the Flood would be a mistake imo. Their fight is finished, their battle fought and done.
unique rune
I wouldn't mind the Flood returning at some point but I just really hope it doesn't happen in Infinite.
feral perch
I do look forward to a CE sense of exploration. I loved walking through Assault on the Control Room and looking into the deep tunnels that were covered with a transparent lid.
brisk swift
did the Flood ever get smart enough to pilot ships?
gilded mason
Ye
unique rune
They took control of a CCS-class in 3...
hollow meadow
The Flood did return
unique rune
Took over High Charity...
brisk swift
good, good. The day they make the Flood a part of a Firefight mode i would be estatic
hollow meadow
High Charity is on the Ark, still infested with Flood
brisk swift
just flooded up drop ship dropping in Flood bois
hollow meadow
O
brisk swift
that would be fun as all get out
feral perch
One of the most unnerving experiences you can have in CE is doing the bridge skip to despawn all the enemies, and then proceeding through the level normally. The ambient noise in the indoor environments, combined with the player's footsteps being the only dynamic noise (besides weaponry) makes for a spooky stroll.
gilded mason
Maybe they can eventually salvage what's left of High Charity. Wouldn't that be nice?
feral perch
Noooo. High Charity shouldn't be included again like a certain planet-killing weapon that definitely isn't a moon.
unique rune
Eh, they're more just back to being holed up in the High Charity containment zone.
gilded mason
But High Charity is ||bae||
hollow meadow
That's no moon, it's a space station
feral perch
why did you spoiler that word? lol
unique rune
Presumably the Banished aren't dumb enough to crack it open again and the Ark's defenses will probably just try to contain the Flood there.
Not having an overseeing ancilla might be a bit of an issue...
gilded mason
why did you spoiler that word? lol
Emphasis on that word's "forbidden-ness"
rancid delta
Then the flood are there
@versed helm they can't do anything more
The ai of the Ark isn't there
They can't do more complex things
Yeah
versed helm
dose anyone who running the covenant after halo 3
gilded mason
There's a lot of different factions after Halo 3
versed helm
ah i feel dumb now
terse lava
Yep, the covenant shattered like vintage China
floral gate
Hey guys i found these little green bugs on Halo 2
And i was wondering if anyone knows what they are
I have a video of them if you need it
gilded mason
Probably. No idea what you're talking about at the moment
gilded mason
Oh. Yeah, they're just miscellaneous bugs.
floral gate
Considering how this game was supposed to be rushed
I'm surprised they had time for little bugs
keen canopy
Oh there were plenty of bugs
gilded mason
eyy
terse lava
Well we could play slip rock with the bugs
hollow meadow
Halo 2 is a pretty messy game. In fact, its bugs wound up becoming meta techniques
keen canopy
Just wondering, "pre array haunts" ?
solemn void
terse lava
@keen canopytypo
keen canopy
Well, they cooked their planet shortly after industrializing, like we're doing now.
Seems like they never made it off Balaho either, pre-Array.
So they were probably at a similar level of tech as we are now, with a bit more focus on industry and a bit less on technology.
Maybe they even had video games, and Halo with Grunt Spartans
sharp adder
with high charity the flood wpuold have a massive advantage if any force tried to wipe them ouut even the dentials plus who knoews whats lurking inside hogh charity
and plus there could still by aboniation fomrs inside high charity they are like moble versions of photo gravemind but are a little better and can make the flood even more dangerous
sharp adder
Yet they can also make some decisions and can start a colony or construction of a gravemind/photot gravemind and are a pain to kill image fighting them in halo infinite
keen canopy
Abominations are speculated to be essentially a proto-Keymind. A Keymind equivalent specific to the feral stage.
sharp adder
Are arre hard to kill plus are si heavy protected by other forms and make them even more dangerous and intelligent in some ways
keen canopy
Not as dangerous as final stage Flood with Pure forms, being directed by a Gravemind and Keyminds.
shy cedar
Is there a master list of all books and comics?
sharp adder
ok
remote spruce
Makes sense
unique rune
Halopedia should have them all documented.
CIA391 also has a few posts on Waypoint that would be helpful. Just look for his profile there and it shouldn’t be hard to find them.
versed helm
A guy had posted a list link here earlier, for all the halo lore media in order
keen canopy
There's a spreadsheet with that on it just google.
random cradle
Is there because I’d like to go in sort of cronologicql order
versed helm
Do we know the lifespan a forerunner might have had?
unique rune
In armor with ancilla support, potentially indefinite.
Otherwise unknown.
terse lava
Naturally, it seems to be implied forerunner lives last centuries. In armor with ancilla? Would say at least 1million years. The librarian got a book from a theoretical, whose rate had. Been absorbed.into the builders 1 million years before.
@versed helmlow tier 1 likely, as we have no examples of mega engineering from them. Thanks to their san shyuum allies they were able to craft weapons forerunners lacked defenses on.
terse lava
Only built n it, didnt use it
versed helm
No, they did use it. Like, that's how they built the primordial's time prison
gilded mason
"Millions of years ago, [The Primordial] was confined in a stasis capsule and buried thousands of meters below the surface. Humans found the capsule and excavated it, but fortunately could not break it loose … not completely. They did devise a means of communicating with the prisoner. What it said to them frightened them deeply. With surprising wisdom, they stopped all attempts to communicate, then added another layer of protection, a San’Shyuum time bolt almost as effective as anything built by Forerunners. And they placed the capsule here, in the arena, as a warning for all to see."
Looks like ancient humans found the Primordial inside the statis field already and then used some San'Shyuum tech to protect it further.
terse lava
Odd how none of the forerunner books mention anything further on the 7000 commandos and 70 warships guarding the capsule
glacial dock
Anyone know the lore reason why armor lock makes spartans virtually invincible? Also what is the most powerful munition that armor lock can withstand?
sharp adder
Im guessing scsrab blast
unique rune
I would imagine it doesn’t render a Spartan as invulnerable as it does in-game. Don’t think we have any good metrics for what armor lock can take, but we do know that locked MJOLNIR can survive atmospheric reentry with additional heat shielding.
versed helm
I'd guess a rail gun shot
Not the planet MAC, but the ARC-920
Or a sustained hit from a Spartan Laser
Or a few shots from a Gauss Cannon
terse lava
Maybe a few fuel rod shots
Would think in lots though it's far shorter then what gameplay shows
fair hazel
We don’t know the actual limits of Armour lock.
terse lava
Well in reality it wouldn't be that great
Just realized, do baby forerunners wear armor?
sacred dew
We know the overshield can survive fire that can destroy a tank
versed helm
They do, I guess.
Bornstellar is shown having armour when he is just a Manipular
Now IDK about when thy're legit infants, like wee little lumps of flesh that hurl poop and puke everywhere
fair hazel
i just had a thought... flood babies..
unique rune
Are we talking Flood-infected babies, or...?
keen canopy
They would just likely just be used for biomass, wouldn't make for a viable combat form
versed helm
That's the best babies can do
See, the necromorphs dont focus on making biomass
hence all the boom babies
But the Flood needs as much mass as possible to become a Gravemind
so, even if the flood did infect babies, it would be only for biomass purposes, like @keen canopy said.
random cradle
Just finished envoy great read not my favorite though what do you think about envoy
mental viper
If flood infect baby, will baby still griw
terse lava
Would think as biomass to build Grave minds. We are told after all that the master builders children are part of a Gravemind. Never were we told Their ages
terse lava
Would think they just grow slow. Like elves in fantasy games
Born was able to memorize his family lineage of the past several million years as a baby
Fun question for everyone, how would the plot change had the flood infection form gone for truth rather then mercy?
keen canopy
Tartarus would have saved him
dull fox
I'd bet Tartarus would've saved him, and so all that'd be different would be that Mercy would be alive and Truth would just kill him later
keen canopy
Plus Tartarus and his brutes were focusing on protecting Truth anyway, it wasn't pure chance that had a form getting to Mercy and not Truth.
terse lava
"Save" soon as that flood latched on truth would be doomed
@keen canopytrue, though for the sake of arguement they blunder here
keen canopy
Who knows if Mercy would head straight to the Ark or just go fire Installation 05
Perhaps the Arbiter and Johnson wouldn't have been able to stop them
terse lava
Well it appears mercy was planning on going to the ark with truth. He clearly had no wish to stay at high charity
Gotta love necromorphs for being worse yet weaker then the flood
Yea, would be interesting if the nectos replaced the flood
For example during alpha halo
gilded mason
God...is it...is it because of the actor's last name?
terse lava
Who knows donk? The ways of the censor are lost on us
gilded mason
The last name of the guy who plays the ace pilot
terse lava
rubs temples lousy censor
gilded mason
It bears repeating: that filter is just way too much.
terse lava
Take care ostral, what you say is heresy
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
Yep
versed helm
Look. In John vs Clarke, John wins
discussion ends there
Ah. It might not be all that different, actually.
They're both parasitic things
Both are a pain to deal with
terse lava
Yet one is able to construct tougher combat forms
versed helm
its more a menhir than an obelisk, i think
but thats besides the point. my bad
but see. the necros also infect people
but they focus more on killing
the flood goes in for the meat collection
aye
WAAAAY more bloody
with limbs and heads akimbo
but the gameplay would change a lot
but halo weapons could effectively deal with the necros
some even better than the DS ones
needlers could do a lot
so could charged up plasma pistols
and the fuel rod guns
mental viper
if the flood is desperate for biomass would it target non sentient species
versed helm
necromorphs
versed helm
aye
mental viper
never played that game
versed helm
basically, halo weapons with aoe damage could be a good match for necros
covenant and forerunner weaponry would
terse lava
Takes quite a bit to take down a me to with bullets
Covenant weapons could thanks to plasma
versed helm
the charged plasma pistol
terse lava
It would be the larger beasts the covenant would fear
versed helm
yeah, they can
but the covenant plasma burns through stuff
DS plasma is more focused
halo plasma is more aoe
the cutter is the only plasma weaponry in the game
covenant legit get high on the stuff
so, in that sense, human weaponry like the gauss gun, and most of covenant and forerunner weaponry is a proper tool against the necros
?
heck, i haven't read DS lore yet
crapuli dickenses
i only know the pc games weaponry, so cant say about that
but that's the thing
DS plasma is single line focus stuff
halo plasma spreads
its fluid, compared to the DS's solid looking stuff
exactly
DS plasma is, in a sense, improvised
halo plasma is built for war
terse lava
Technically it's Not even true plasma
versed helm
define superheated fluid gas
gilded mason
This is going off what Frankie said about Covenant weaponry.
versed helm
look, covenant weaponry could be a bigger threat to necros than DS weaponry
and i said improvised in a manner of speaking
im more right than wrong, i think
ok. compare the plasma cutter and the plasma pistol
for the cutter to do proper damage, you need to aim it at a joint
the pistol does splash damage
the pistol has a higher fire rate
and it can melt through the morphs
the pistol can do a mega shot
which does explosive damage as well
the mega shot is homing
not perfect aim wont matter that much
the convergence needs some conditions to be met before it actually begins
to begin the flood, you just need to place a spore on a planet, and sit back
you brought up the convergence, i just brought up the halo counterpart
look, do you think halo weaponry can be effective against the morphs?
mhm
i wish someone could mod halo 3 with necros, or DS with halo weaponry
that would be a good way to test it out
dusky siren
Novel wise the sentinel laser should be perfect because it would just liquefy anything it hits
dusky siren
probably any plasma-based weapon because even if it doesn't kill them it would melt their body so they wouldn't be able to move as well.
terse lava
Starting to regret starting this topic
dusky siren
Needler perhaps? Hard to accumulate biomass when it explodes all over a room
dusky siren
suicidal Marine would probably still be alive because what absorbing being would look at him and say " yeah, I want that inside me"
"this thing is ready to kill itself why would I want to add that to my consciousness"
versed helm
thats the story of how the suicidal marine saved humanity
terse lava
Wonder if the covenant have the equalivlent of christmas carols
true shadow
Christmas is definitely not something the covenant wouldn't celebrate. But maybe they do have carols for their own holidays or events
terse lava
Thats what I am asking
mental viper
battle poems for sangheili @terse lava
food nipples for grunt feast
meat for jiralhanae
terse lava
@mental viperthose seem more like medieval bard songs then a carol
mental viper
eeh sing the halo.theme then
terse lava
That's already canon I believe in the form of a san shyuum choir singing it during creation of a.new age
random cradle
I always pictured the covenant chanting that
versed helm
wort wort wort
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wortwort wort wort wort wortwort
nah, the didact is real
could be iso
wait, if ur is god, then iso is christ to them
and the librarian is virgin mary
versed helm
then who would be saint nicholas.......
potent cargo
I was reading silentium again and I just noticed something
Does anyone know what happened to Offensive Bias?
After the halos were fired
versed helm
Offensive was the AI next in level to Medicant, right?
I still like to know,how did Jun get off Reach?
With halsey
as her guard
or babysitter
I know,but how,did they have a ship parked nearby?
jun went with halsey after she had handed over cortana to noble 6
potent cargo
Correct he was a contender class AI which could not go rampant over time and was the last AI used against the flood and controlling the last remaining forerunner defenses
But after the halos were fired I have yet to find mention of him again
versed helm
Maybe he was decommissioned
rain token
I do believe we have no more information on what happened to him after the halos were fired
versed helm
Yep
.....offensive bias......we dont get to see the official caretaker of the ark, do we?
like, in the game, we just see guilty
and at the end of silentium, he is last seen on the ark
How many species went extinct during the so called "Dark Times"?
And there was that one bit where Spark received a signal from some unknown alien race just as the Array was firing
potent cargo
It was a new species finally being able to send a signal out and died @versed helm
and yes we didn't see offensive bias in the games, only in the books where he commanded the remaining forerunner fleet and went head on against the flood and mendadict bias fleet
versed helm
And then there's the unknown vessel that crash landed on Alpha Halo,i still wonder,will we ever find out who built that ship?
@potent cargo Tbh,that has to be sad,an alien race sending a signal out into space then just getting wiped out
potent cargo
Just blooming into growth, only to be silenced into the darkness
That is what my kind did
In all honesty I do feel sorrow for the forerunners
mental viper
u were a sick forerunner with those palaces of pain
versed helm
How many civilians managed to make it off Reach in time?
Besides the ones in New Alexandria
versed helm
@potent cargo , you schmucks rekt us. Karma aint a pretty thing, eh?
@versed helm i dont know. do they mention how many survived? cause they do in contact harvest
Tbh,if i was a civilian in the Halo Universe,i would not want to live on Reach
I'd rather live on Earth
sacred dew
It's sad when you learn that the prototype is connected to midnight in the heart of the m word
versed helm
i guess
sacred dew
Everyone dies and the sacrifice becomes meaning less
mental viper
not enough civilians made it off reach I think
carmine sleet
@versed helm You do realise that civilians living on Reach didn't move there because there was going to be an attack, right? They didn't know the Covenant would find them
versed helm
True
keen canopy
@versed helm Jun did not escape Reach with Halsey.
He wasn't there in First Strike
It's still unknown how he escaped, though Frank did write a non-canon Twitter short story of him climbing a space elevator
lunar condor
Halo reach the game is like #NotMyCanon
keen canopy
When it came out yeh
It works now thanks to efforts by Nylund and 343
Halo Canon's battle of Reach timeline is a must-watch if you have questions about how Reach fits with TFoR.
mental viper
Jun teleported on a human ship somehow, voila he survived
slim saddle
he climbed that space elevator like a champ
terse lava
@versed helmwe did meet the ark caretaker, tragic solitude
inner basin
@slim saddle Before that he fought off a Silent Shadow squad (in a fistful of Arrows) as well as two Lek’Golo, numerous Grunts, Jackals and Elites. Although a Fistful of Arrows is not officially canonised, it is believed to be canon by Bungie, and 343 when they took the helm
slim saddle
yep one of my favorite reads
inner basin
It’s definitely up there for me
slim saddle
soundtrack that goes along with that it pretty sweet aswell
inner basin
I’ve never gotten around to listening to it yet
slim saddle
i mean like let's be real if it rains on a Halo why don't all the lekgolo worms dry up on the sidewalks once it's cleared 
fair hazel
Believed to be canon? They’re just not canon.
Well fistful of series
I like listening to halo soundtracks when I read halo books
terse lava
Mhm, high charity ambient track with broken circle. Fits so well
iron glacier
I thought I was the only one who listens to the soundtracks when I read the books
versed helm
i listen to the tracks regardless
slim saddle
ambient tracks work best for me when reading
versed helm
them be good stuff
iron glacier
well yeah I think we all have a halo soundtrack playlist on spotify
versed helm
yes we do
iron glacier
you guys seeing all the "halo infinite news coming today???" posts on reddit
terse lava
Nope have not
terse lava
Doubt it would be anything truly big anyway
iron glacier
It's just speculation that because the bios version in chief's armor in the infinite trailer was 12.22.19 that something's gonna happen today
inner basin
I feel ya on that one
I think I can speak for most if not all of the community on that one
pale quest
Probably was discussed to death but John was Cortana's second choice then? Or she knew 6 would stay on Reach and "chose" them to get to John?
versed helm
No.....she chooses John before the attack on Reach
I dont remember wort book i read it in
but i did read it
stoic hamlet
Fall of Reach
Six was chosen as the fragment carrier, but only because no one else was able to take it.
Had there been no attack she would have been taken by like, a regular security detail.
inner basin
Cortana choses John before the start of event The Fall of Reach in The Fall of Reach book I think. They then carried out an exercise to see how well they worked together and Ackerson actually tried to kill John and Cortana in said exercise secretly (but ultimately failed).
stoic hamlet
Yeah
IIRC it wasn’t secret, Ackerson just had the troops use live rounds.
....actually
sudden shuttle
Didn't Cortana ruin Ackerson's life.
stoic hamlet
I don’t think it could have been Ackerson
inner basin
Well to the higher-ups and Halsey (and John and Cortana at the time) it was secretive
stoic hamlet
Yes. @sudden shuttle
He wasn’t on Reach at the time. (Ackerson)
And he likely wouldn’t know about the test
Cortana might have ruined his life over nothing.
inner basin
Well he did ultimately die to a Jiralhanae Chieftain on a Covenant Ship (forgotten the name). Which is also why the Spartan-III program was later discontinued. Makes you wonder was there ever Delta Company Spartan-IIIs who were trained secretly elsewhere (instead of Onyx for obvious reason)? It doesn’t explicitly say they weren’t ever trained AND I think trainees were already selected too. I’ll pull up the Halopedia page link so you can read all the text on it;
stoic hamlet
They were selected and were being picked up before the attack
But didn’t ever actually go to Onyx, for obvious reasons
inner basin
I wonder if they were trained elsewhere during the Onyx conflict. It’d be a very big surprise and would work for ONI (as they like their plans being secretive).
stoic hamlet
I doubt it
Their primary trainer and overseer are both dead
As are all the staff
It doesn’t make sense
stoic hamlet
Not to mention they’d all be toddlers and young kids
inner basin
Well they wouldn’t be taken to Onyx anyways. ONI may take them under their wing and train them. It’d be good potential for story writing with the most creativity for writing
stoic hamlet
They wouldn’t be ready until 2558 at the earliest.
And that’s assuming they used Alpha Company training time.
versed helm
Which they probably won't
But the training could happen at Onyx
Wait. What's Onyx's new name
Something with A, i think
inner basin
Could be quicker. With ONI, they could be produced far quicker. They did something similar with Saber Team
stoic hamlet
Trevylan (spelling)
terse lava
Yea
stoic hamlet
What? @inner basin
terse lava
In honor of kurt
inner basin
Talking about Deltas @stoic hamlet
versed helm
NAH
stoic hamlet
They trained for 8 years like the rest of the company
inner basin
No I mean the Deltas could be taken under ONI’s wing, like Saber Team
And covered up like the Gammas
versed helm
And where will ONI train them?
inner basin
Well ONI had more resources than Ackerson
versed helm
Heck, the S-IIIs were also part ONI
inner basin
Incorrect
stoic hamlet
Ackerson was head of Beta-5, which was specifically dedicated to the III’s
Not incorrect
inner basin
Not necessarily “ALL”
versed helm
Ackerson was part of ONI
inner basin
That’s why I said incorrect
stoic hamlet
They were organized under the Navy, but Beta-5 (ONI section III) handled basically everything
inner basin
Noble was under the Army
inner basin
But yeah primarily IIIs at the start they did belong to ONI
versed helm
all and everything mega armour related is ONI
stoic hamlet
They were still organized under the Navy and Beta-5.
versed helm
Heck, the Noble logo has the ONI triangle in it
inner basin
I don’t think that’s the meaning of the triangle
versed helm
I know
But still
similarity
plus, ackerson had this AI that would continuously snoop around the S-II's details
stoic hamlet
It just doesn’t make sense for Delta to be trained
ONI already has their boogeymen in the form of Gamma.
versed helm
yeah. they got to S-IV
stoic hamlet
They don’t need more
inner basin
But to wrap up this S-III D debate, it’s just a concept. Just think it would be cool to have a little more S-IIIs in the universe
versed helm
it cetainly won't hurt
stoic hamlet
We have more S-III’s than we’ve ever had
stoic hamlet
They’re just not discussed
inner basin
Maybe those designated S-III D Cat-2s would be kept by ONI?
versed helm
wait. isn't a guy of noble from S-III-A?
stoic hamlet
Hazel and Owen aren’t under ONI
inner basin
No I mean from Delta Company (hence the S-III D)
stoic hamlet
3/6 were Alpha @versed helm
Arguably 5/7 were including Thom and Rosenda
Cat II isn’t a thing anymore
343 don’t like the term
inner basin
Okay, I was unaware of that. Out of those 300-400 hundred Spartans from Delta Company, those who have the genes of the S-IIs would be kept by ONI
stoic hamlet
I also think the term and idea of it is dumb, personally
versed helm
343 also didn't like a good storyline, apparently
the idea is good
but the feasibility is a problem
stoic hamlet
I disagree. It has no purpose except to make B-312 be more awesome.
inner basin
I just think it’d tie up loose ends, and there is very good potential for it
inner basin
Was it not “hyper-lethal” that 343 didn’t like?
stoic hamlet
It makes no sense to specify the genes. The whole point of the III’s augs is that Halsey’s genes don’t matter anymore.
They still need testing, obviously
But her specific gene marks are irrelevant
versed helm
yup. the criteria for III's selection was primarily for those who were from glassed planets
stoic hamlet
They had to be from glassed planets
inner basin
But they also had a generic criteria
versed helm
the genetics weren't as stringent as with the IIs
inner basin
Well not necessarily from glassed planets, it was orphans of the war too
stoic hamlet
They flat out say Halsey couldn’t find any kids with her criteria
inner basin
No but there was a criteria still
stoic hamlet
But Halsey’s criteria doesn’t matter in this context.
versed helm
kurt only considered the basics of Halsey's criteria
inner basin
There are some who are supposed to have Halsey’s criteria in the S-IIIs, and they were the ones who were put in Mjolnir. I do like that concept as it makes sense
stoic hamlet
Not even that IIRC
versed helm
the nobles met her mark, i think
stoic hamlet
It doesn’t hold water
inner basin
Right, well as much as I hate to leave this brilliant conversation, I gtg
versed helm
kek
stoic hamlet
RIP
versed helm
sees you later, mi amigo
stoic hamlet
‘Twas fun
versed helm
aye
sure was
anywho, I wonder how Halsey will die
im pretty sure it'll be something dramatic
with that smidgen of halsey's trademarked flair of random
pale quest
bullets
carmine sleet
Aye, SAWs use bullets, just like most other UNSC weapons
@versed helm Six hardly set the benchmark for how to be awesome. The idea is that you're meant to have made up Six's backstory since there is none for the player to learn about
pale quest
The previous 6 was badass though
carmine sleet
Thom? I mean, yeah, he was, but still, we don't know much about him either outside the fact he was Noble Six before B312 and that he died taking out a Covenant ship
pale quest
I never bothered to research Reach stuff, didn't realise there was a cut Spartan
carmine sleet
Aye, there was two technically, just one was reworked into being the previous Six and the other has not been mentioned for a long time
pale quest
Noble 7 & 8 would have been cool but I already feel like 1-5 get almost no screen time before their deaths anyway
I used to be attached to them when I first played the game but since replaying I realised you get almost no time with them.
carmine sleet
Aye, allot of people have realised that. It's why we need to learn more about the members of Noble Team
inner basin
👀 Don’t even get me started on Gauntlet, Red, and Echo Teams
versed helm
yeah
like, a game where we play as the nobles upto before the attack\
proto reach or sumthing like that
inner basin
I mean Noble Team had other members even before Jun, Emile and Jorge and B-312 (but most of us know that). I think Carter (and maybe Kat) had lived to see other members of their team die just to be replaced shortly after, and maybe Thom too before he himself died (because of Kat 😒)
At least he want out on his own terms. Like a true Spartan
stoic hamlet
Ooh-rah
inner basin
I mean I’ve made a theory for how he COULD’VE survived however, it’s a really slim chance, but I did it just to generate a good conversation. Besides that, since when have Marines gone done with any ship intentionally? I understand Naval personnel, but Marines?
versed helm
marine can also be used as a term for a naval guy
stoic hamlet
Maybe the initial term
But it’s definitely changed terminology over the centuries
You might be thinking of Mariner, which is different to Marine.
inner basin
Marine could be classed as Navy in this century (the 21st century), but I don’t know when it would change in Halo if we are to immerse ourselves in the universe, but by the 26th century, it certainly would have changed
pale quest
Wait... wasn't the Mark 5 introduced during the battle for Reach? And wasn't a major upgrade for mk5 energy shields?
inner basin
The Mk. V was introduced in Nov 2551
stoic hamlet
Mark V was introduced in November 2551
inner basin
Reach happened in Summer-Sep 2552 I think
stoic hamlet
The upgrade in 2552 was the ability to carry an AI
inner basin
^ As well as a neural lace too (for Chief that is not the suit)
inner basin
No, Chief got a neural lace did he not? For AI integration?
stoic hamlet
Oh, yeah. But that’s not a Mark V upgrade
That’s an upgrade to his specific interface
inner basin
Yeah I was adding onto what you said. Extra detail
stoic hamlet
Ah, my b
inner basin
It’s a bad habit sometimes
pale quest
Fair enough, this video just had poor wording then
stoic hamlet
Which video?
inner basin
Is it HaloFollower? Wouldn’t recommend them if so
stoic hamlet
^^^^^
pale quest
inner basin
Oh it’s HC? I guess he wasn’t going into detail
pale quest
stoic hamlet
Or well, the info
pale quest
Basically that part says John is introduced to the Mark 5 platform with energy shielding and AI integration
pale quest
Makes it sound like Mark 5 was not a thing before that date
stoic hamlet
It’s just the wording.
vital blade
Hi I'm new to this conversation but it's very intriguing
In the Fall of Reach book it describes the upgrade to John's MK V which was a neural lace made specifically for him to use with Cortana, as she is a very advanced AI
inner basin
He was skipping past it very briefly it seems. He’s trying to cover TFoR in a 25 min video
pale quest
So what does it mean when he says "Cortana fragment"? She's not a full AI?
vital blade
Cortana is an AI made using a flash clone of Halseys brain, so she's more human than AI
This process is also described in The Fall of Reach
inner basin
Halsey split Cortana into two fragments. One with the Chief, one to study the Babd Catha Forerunner Artifact, that’s buried beneath the ice. The latter fragment is what we deliver in Halo Reach to the PoA
Once that fragment is abord the PoA Cortana’s fragments are assembled again essentially
stoic hamlet
Every Smart AI is made from a human brain
inner basin
It proofs that the splitting of Cortana into two fragments was essential for humanity’s survival
stoic hamlet
Cortana’s only difference is she’s made from a flash clone, not a dead donor.
inner basin
But she was the first
stoic hamlet
The first what?
stoic hamlet
No
vital blade
She was the first made from a living brain
slim saddle
smart AI meaning they can convey feelings, emotions etc
inner basin
Who was the first Smart AI then? I thought she was
pale quest
Serina is a Smart AI
stoic hamlet
Every AI before that was a donor. A dead person who donated their brain
Sif and Mack and Loki as well
Also Julianna
vital blade
They are also able to process multiple subjects instead of being designed for one purpose
stoic hamlet
Endless Summer/DeepWinter are also smart AI
versed helm
cortana was the only exception to the dead brain thing
stoic hamlet
Yeah
vital blade
Exactly
inner basin
Must’ve misinterpreted it from somewhere. It could’ve been the part that she was the first AI from a human brain who is alive
stoic hamlet
That might be where the confusion occurred
inner basin
How long have Smart AIs existed for?
vital blade
For those of you interested in Halo Reach lore I recommend The Fall of Reach it clarifies a lot
slim saddle
since the 21st century
inner basin
But is there not “dumb” AIs
stoic hamlet
There are
vital blade
Auntie Dot is considered a "dumb" ai
stoic hamlet
Auntie Dot, Deja, The Superintendent, etc
inner basin
If Smart AIs have existed for years, then why not get rid of “dumb” AIs as they’re obsolete
terse lava
"Dumb" in the sense they are only experts in their field
pale quest
Cheaper too probably
vital blade
The Halo Encyclopedia tells you which AI are smart and which are dumb
stoic hamlet
And they only live for a few years.
inner basin
I guess those are fair points
stoic hamlet
Compared to Dumb AI which are seemingly forever
pale quest
Why spend billions on a smart AI just to direct traffic?
stoic hamlet
^^^
versed helm
smart ones live for 7 years
inner basin
Well that probably has happened in some places of Halo, Aaron
inner basin
Sloan runs a planet and he’s a smart AI, Pacino
versed helm
define smart in terms of an AI
pale quest
And it's not like the dumb ones are dumb in the scale of things. Superintendent essentially ran an entire city
inner basin
Well a planet AI would need to multi-task, Pacino. Such as mining operations, planet defence, and ofc management of the people, Pacino
versed helm
but the smart ones like BB and cortana can do more faster
yeah, yer right, @inner basin
vital blade
A smart AI can handle multiple different functions. For example Cortana helped fly the Pillar of Autumn but also helps Chief in combat
pale quest
If she was with Chief she was yanked from the ship
inner basin
Yeah in CE she was pulled from the ship. Or was this before?
pale quest
She could probably remote access certain things from Chief but probably not run the entire ship
vital blade
I didn't mean she did those at the same time I meant she was an expert at both
inner basin
Doesn’t mean she can do them both at the same time. With the ship she would be controlling several different things in itself
vital blade
Exactly
inner basin
What pont are you trying to prove exactly? I’m kinda confused
vital blade
I think we're just fact checking
vital blade
Yeah
pale quest
I think Fred is basically saying an AI at Cortana's level is helpful in almost any situation
vital blade
But we're in agreement so we aren't exactly trying to "prove" anything @inner basin
inner basin
Well that’s obvious she can do many things at once, except for such a thing as flying a ship and helping Chief. That’s not really feasible
unique rune
The line between smart and dumb AI as far as functionality is concerned is that smart AI are capable of learning and adapting, while dumb AI are essentially fixed in function.
That’s... about it.
vital blade
Yeah @pale quest
pale quest
I just realised, we never actually had Cortana help us fight. She's there but they never implemented any gameplay feature where she helps you to fight
inner basin
She does in H4
unique rune
Well.
In Halo 4 she does.
inner basin
One line I distinctly remember is “Watch Out!”
unique rune
Activiating defense turrets for support, restraining the Didact, etc.
pale quest
Oh, my bad. Still yet to play 4, need to wait for the end of 2020 to play it.
vital blade
Yeah that would be cool, however it would to be done just right bc too many features and controls can become arduous and annoying
unique rune
She doesn’t do much in CE-3, yeah, since she’s mostly there to guide Chief through objectives.
inner basin
In H3 she’s gone for half the game too
pale quest
Idk what kind of gameplay element they could have done? Highlight the strongest enemy for a period of time so you can keep track of it through terrain? Point out ammo sources?
inner basin
She does however warn of the impending Flood invasion of Earth that ultimately doesn’t happen because of the Ark
vital blade
In the books it's more descriptive about how she helps and it helps you appreciate her purpose a little more
inner basin
That’s because in the books it’s easier to show how she can help
vital blade
Yeah true
sacred dew
She's more logistics support than combat support
vital blade
Yeah kinda
pale quest
Isabel is listed as a Logistics AI. Cortana is listed under her functionality as "Providing battlefield support to Spartan-117"
stoic hamlet
She’s intelligence and infiltration
vital blade
One sec I've gotta take my dog out to kill some covies
sacred dew
Make sure the dog doesn't have no spikes coming out of its back ok
vital blade
Lmao
pale quest
So did fragmenting Cortana hamper her performance? Like was she half as fast, smart etc?
terse lava
Somewhat
vital blade
Ok covies neutralized
pale quest
So they needed her in 2 pieces to have 1 working with Halsey and 1 to assist with the fight on Reach?
vital blade
And a 3rd for research
pale quest
Wait what? How many fragments did they have lol
vital blade
Just 3
pale quest
And somehow they're all back together by the time the PoA bugs out of Reach?
pale quest
So when you deliver your fragment the other 2 were already on the PoA?
stoic hamlet
Yes
pale quest
Right, got it. lol
vital blade
Yeah one was with Chief, one was with Halsey and one was with already on board I believe
pale quest
So they fragmented her again later?
vital blade
No there was a 3rd with Halsey doing research on a Forunner artifact
pale quest
The stuff you learn from the game really is just surface level, never knew all this.
stoic hamlet
There were only two fragments at the time
Actually only one
The Autumn was the true Cortana
The only fragment was with Halsey
pale quest
and that's the one you pickup in Reach?
pale quest
Cool, thanks for the infos guys. It was enlightening
fresh vortex
main use of a tacpad vs the ugps?
and what’s the utility behind the radio that the commando assault chest ornament offers?
stoic hamlet
TACPAD is for overall command, linking with satellites and the B-Net.
GPS is just a GPS
The radio is a fallback. If the helmet gets damaged, and stuff.
fresh vortex
linking with satellites and B-net? does that include communication and data keeping that a spartan helmet wouldn’t be able to utilize?
stoic hamlet
Not necessarily
But it might allow accessing systems and stuff a helmet wouldn’t be able to access
last anchor
Stuff stored in the cloud so to speak
stoic hamlet
Yeah
fresh vortex
so what do helmet attachments do? like command net modules or uplink hardware?
fresh vortex
but the ugps doesn’t need any upgrades or connections to display a map of anywhere?
terse lava
Likely updates in real time
fresh vortex
ok
terse lava
Yep
fresh vortex
and what’s the biggest difference between chobham supplements vs NxRA supplement armor?
inner basin
I assume they have special purposes but both ultimately up-armour your Spartan to be more protected around the left outer-thigh
One could be lighter because of science, whereas one could be an extra layer of armour. The trade-offs could be that one’s lighter but less protective than the other which is heavier but more protective, perhaps?
fading dagger
From what I read in the description, choral is like a ceramic anti-ballistic plate
Chobam*
NxRa is more active/reactive, which means it changes in relation to damage. This usually implies a powered system similar to the Spartan’s piezoelectric armor, and may be a conduit for such
fresh vortex
makes sense, being able to distribute and adapt to the intensity of the blow much like a plasma bolt or something alike
and other may just be sheer armor to protect the area, concentrating on mass rather than technology
fading dagger
Kinda, but ceramic ballistic plates in our world shatter after they take a real hit, are essentially very good at stopping 1 bullet, but not 2.
Probably different in the future
stoic hamlet
that's essentially what it's meant for
it takes the hit then removes itself from the armour to not impede function.
pale quest
Mjolnir armour is made up of metal mostly right?
stoic hamlet
titanium nano-composite, yes.
pale quest
Ok, thought so. It always bugged me when Jorge takes his helmet off and it makes a plastic sound when he drops it.
fresh vortex
so the nxra would be much more effective compared to the ballistic alternative
fresh vortex
both only able to take a bolt or two?
inner basin
Plasma damage fries things. It’s SUPER hot
As for bullets it’s definitely better. More efficient too
fresh vortex
figured
sharp adder
How good would unsc in halo 4 compare to post cove war unsc
unique rune
...The UNSC in Halo 4 is post-War UNSC.
Unless we're talking immediately after the end of the war, which would amount to... they've had six years to get back on their feet a bit.
terse lava
Pretty certain they mean humanity with their post war tech at the beginning of the wsr
terse lava
I am going with my thought. They want to know how humanity would do with the infinity, shielded frigates, etc at the beginning of the war
unique rune
Well, I'd imagine it'd only give them a minor advantage compared to what they actually had.
Last a bit longer in space battles but end result still largely the same due to superior Covenant numbers.
sharp adder
I mean before the human covernat war comparing to wh3n they fought the diadct and the composer
unique rune
So... pre-War UNSC versus post-War UNSC.
gilded mason
She's in stasis
sacred dew
Wait she's still alive?
gilded mason
Yes. She was near the end of her lifespan, so after a mock trial regarding AI rights, they put her in stasis while they planned on what to do about things.
fair hazel
i wonder what happens to her post creaed
sacred dew
Wait is that saint's testimony
fair hazel
yes
sacred dew
The more you know
gilded mason
i wonder what happens to her post creaed```
"Hey, Iona. Turns out we *really* can't trust rampant AI, it seems. So - You're getting deleted. Farewell."RIP AI rights in general
thanks Cortana
gilded mason
what a gal
gilded mason
For now, yes.
terse lava
A pity really, that was one of the few human-centric tales I liked
unique rune
AI still have rights for now. Once all the Created business is done... I don't see things going well for them.
terse lava
I think only the human Loyal AI will retain any rights
But to a lesser extent to what they would have been had this not happened
Or of course then can just go straight covenant
AI shackled to simply being navigators With no higher thought process
What
inner basin
That’s quite the step-down tbh. Poor AIs, they had so much going for them finally then Cortana just messes that all up... Big RIP in the chat
fading dagger
F
random cradle
Have you guys seen the covenant designs in the halo recruit the car game it is a cross between bungee and 343 I think these might be the designs in halo infinite like the chief is a cross between new and old in the infinite trailer
gilded mason
Looks like a Halo 4/5 armor but recolored blue
Ah, now I remember the name, that's the Warrior armor.
random cradle
Yea the face just looked different though with the Mandibles and the Leaner look unlike the brutish 4/5 snagheli
gilded mason
Nah, looks exactly the same
random cradle
Yes especially in halo 2 anniversary some of the cutscenes look like there live action especially in the arbiters high charity cutscene
mellow flame
Is the destroyed ring we see in the infinite trailer Installation 09?
gilded mason
All signs point to Zeta (07).
mellow flame
I don't recall chief ever seeing 07? or any of us.
gilded mason
It was in the books previously.
Explored quite a bit in the Forerunner books, and briefly in Hunters in the Dark.
mellow flame
Do they mention anything about 09? as that's the last ring we interact with in the games?
gilded mason
Last we know of it is Anders and that Guardian.
unique rune
Don't think 09's been mentioned in any other media (at least not in any significant capacity) since it's a relatively recent addition to the universe.
mellow flame
If it is 07, then the trailer truly takes place in a completely new era of Halo (in simple terms, we know absolutely nothing).
The last we know about 07 is that the UNSC sent Sangheili's to the ring, where they discovered a count down timer (which matches countdowns on other rings, indicating that they're going to fire).
My best guess, chief blew up another ring to keep it from firing.
gilded mason
the UNSC sent Sangheili's to the ring
A couple UNSC scientists noticed the timer, and then a joint UNSC/SoS team went to the Ark.
mellow flame
Oh right, I read that wrong. They were sent to installation 00, the lesser ark.
gilded mason
The pilot's words don't really match this hypothesis.
mellow flame
Why do we believe its 07 though? Is that just the most relevant ring atm?
I feel like it would be kind of lame to destroy it for the story, considering it's the last "OG" ring.
gilded mason
The first trailer had "SOS ZETA HALO GRD" in morse code pinging from a radio. And then the second trailer had "Zeta Halo" on the pelican monitor.
mellow flame
Wonder what GRD stands for
sharp adder
Well rolsnd should not have anything bad happened to him he stayed loyal
mellow flame
I don't think Roland will exist in infinite, or any of the AI from 2552-53.
People say it takes place like 10 years later, and the AI lifespan is 7.
gilded mason
All we know is that it takes place after September 19, 2561
mellow flame
Is Cortana still going rampant, or did she fix that in H5 with whatever forerunner tech?
gilded mason
She is no longer in danger of dying from rampancy.
mellow flame
So now she's just a "know-all" AI with an attachment to chief?
gilded mason
But it didn't exactly fix the damage she already had.
mellow flame
I don't think she's damaged, I think she's just reached a forerunner tier of knowledge. Basically a "lesser evil" thanos mindset to reset life and start better.
gilded mason
She doesn't want to reset life, though. If that was your meaning.
mellow flame
Isn't that her goal? To wipe out certain sets of life and enforce new "law" with the guardians?
fresh vortex
and the general costs of mass producing?
light quail
Hey, out of curiosity, did the insurrectionists ever colonize a secret world of their own? I know they hollowed out asteroids but idk about planets
gilded mason
Isn't that her goal? To wipe out certain sets of life and enforce new "law" with the guardians?```
The latter, yes. The former, no.@light quail Apparently there were like 800+ inhabited human colonies.
gilded mason
Apparently there were like 800+ inhabited human colonies.
No, the 800 figure includes things like science stations and mining sites.
mellow flame
@gilded mason Yes, I was including those. But still technically human inhabited.
gilded mason
Not exactly colonies, though.
mellow flame
Well regardless, they're all gone now. It's a low double digit number now from the war.
Not sure exactly how many remain.
light quail
Also, I asked this in general when I should have asked this here. Could a Spartan Laser or plasma weaponry (Halo) bypass a biotic barrier (Mass Effect). Not destroy it, but sort of ignore the fact that the barrier was there
gilded mason
@fresh vortex
This might be of some help:
https://www.halopedia.org/Category:Human_Businesses
mellow flame
Halo 2 had a cinematic of UNSC weapon and vehicle manufacturing.
light quail
Thanks 😄
mellow flame
According to definition, a biotic barrier doesn't block damage, it absorbs damage. So anything that can output more damage than a biotic barrier can absorb would technically "bypass" it.
versed helm
it would break it
gilded mason
Would it absorb the heat from the plasma without it cooking the person inside the barrier?
light quail
^ that is actually a real smart question I didn’t think about asking
Ostral with the big brains
gilded mason
lol
mellow flame
It wouldn't break it, the biotic barrier would just stop absorbing damage. The barrier basically stops acting as a shield once it's absorbed a certain amount of damage.
versed helm
then what would it be?
light quail
I guess a surgical hole in the barrier?
mellow flame
I would like to think a spartan laser would just cut through it.
versed helm
once it reaches its limit, it would break
it actually would
a rail gun would punch through
light quail
I would think a rail gun would cause the barriers to pop from the projectile impact but the laser would “cut” through
Kind of like a drop shield?
mellow flame
I don't know much about mass effect, but when searching for it, it seems to just be a personal shield. If that's the case, then I don't see it tanking any power weapons.
It's basically an energy shield. It absorbs damage and acts as a regenerating health bar. If that shield is depleted, then you take real damage. It's kind of hard to gauge weapon damage and shield values from different universes.
gilded mason
Magic?
versed helm
Biotic weaponry needs a biotic energy source
and since people dont live forever
and weaken over time
the barrier s quite temporary
fresh vortex
what’s the lore behind spartan commandos ?
quick edge
thought yall would like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40jdpzrpIps
versed helm
So what is the rest of Africa like in the Halo universe?
Also,what species attacked Crecka in the System of Miasmic Giants?
gilded mason
For the latter, don't think it was ever stated.
versed helm
Wasn't there a theory out there that says that it might've been the same race that crash landed on Alpha Halo?
gilded mason
Can't imagine that the hypothesis would have much evidence behind it.
versed helm
What kind of weaponry did the Sangheili in Crecka's time have?
gilded mason
Plasma rifles, burnblades, and other stuff I do not know.
versed helm
Maybe some more advanced ballistic weaponry
But wait,didn't Crecka's encounter with the unknown aliens take place before the Sangheili's first encounter and subsequent war with the San'Shyuum?
gilded mason
The old warrior rubbed thoughtfully at his scarred eye socket. “Many cycles ago, I was the last survivor of a vessel brought down by hostiles—we never knew what race it was. They did not speak a civilized tongue. All this was on the far side of the galaxy from here, in the System of Miasmic Giants.
versed helm
What other CSO-class supercarriers were there besides the Long Night of Solace?
unique rune
None that have been named.
versed helm
If you could own any Covenant vessel,what would you name it
I would own a CSO-class Supercarrier and call it the Unyielding Fury
rough stag
Corvette class, “Nimble Gift”
golden basin
I wonder... did Dimkee Hotay fight in Reach?
random cradle
Do you guys read ebooks audiobooks or physical books
remote spruce
All, well rarely audio
potent cargo
Ew audiobooks are bland
Reading within your head and music makes it seem more genuine
carmine sleet
@versed helm I think Asaura was referring to the Spartans in general, since they are commandos, not the armour named Commando
versed helm
plot twist: all the marines that die turn into moa's
and than when the moa's die they get turned into burgers
yum
keen canopy
Well, Moa Burgers are Canon.
grim smelt
Hey guys who yall favorite halo UNSC character
versed helm
i think halo is a pretty cool guy. eh kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything
keen canopy
@grim smelt Marcus Stacker, yours?
versed helm
Realistically tho, i liked Guilty Spark or Johnson, Because Spark was always cheery at all times, and Johnson because, well, do i even have to say?
Bit of a tie between them.
keen canopy
He asked for UNSC characters btw
keen canopy
Emile is great, all of Noble in general have great characterization
versed helm
Very true.
Ok now let's get into the deep lore
What would an elite taste like if you cooked and ate it
sharp adder
Like chicken
keen canopy
Probably like snake. But snake tastes like chicken soo... (chicken is actually largely tasteless which is why so many things taste like it)
potent cargo
Well that would depend on what they ate
keen canopy
Yes Falcons can carry many Spartans
However, as we saw in Tip Of The Spear
And the second mission of Halo CE:
You really don't want to be a Non-Spartan in a crashing small aircraft with Spartans onboard
balmy turtle
Sorry if I spammed the question before but it seems to be disappearing on my screen.
keen canopy
You're using a filtered word
balmy turtle
I see, thanks!
keen canopy
But yea Spartans definitely make aircraft crash harder, simple physics. That's about it though and it's realistically depicted in the games.
versed helm
yep. a half ton guy in a plane can really make the crash more intense
we see that when the escape pod "lands" on 04
inner basin
Would anyone like a book to be released similar to Dirt? I feel that Dirt is very underrated, and it even features our favourite silent protagonist ODST near the end too
severe lodge
In the FoR book, during red blag briefing, DR Halsey mentions "here tonight are all surviving Spartans save three, who are otherwise engaged on fields of combat too distant to be easily recalled". Are we talking about Jerome, Douglas and Alice ?
carmine sleet
No, she's referring to Grey Team since they were deep behind enemy lines. At that point in time, since Jerome, Douglas and Alice were missing for so long, they believed they were truly MIA, opposed to how some Spartans were listed as MIA when they had died
severe lodge
Thank you this wouldn't make sense indeed 25years later. I need to read Cole Protocol.
carmine sleet
I recommend you do, it's a very good read, as is Grey Team's second novel, Envoy
severe lodge
I ordered the boxed set along with Ony and Harvest (it was difficult to buy it at a reasonable price by the way). I'll probably have further questions later on
carmine sleet
Roger that and I can understand it not being easy to find them at reasonable prices
versed helm
I have all the books on a kindle
random cradle
Do you guys think the sharqou will ever make a ingame apperance
versed helm
idk
im really hoping infinite is red team meeting blue team
cause HW2's ending is the ring slipspacing off somewhere
5's ending is cortana and a guardian near an unknown halo
fresh vortex
i’m definitely curious about the lore of Spartans who were commandos, not just the armor itself
both III’s and IV’s
versed helm
you mean the S-IV and onwards, right?
carmine sleet
Well, technically, they all are commandos
fresh vortex
i mean from after they became Spartans, because there is specialized commando armor which i would assume correlated to a commando designation
carmine sleet
Not necessarily
stoic hamlet
Spartans always operate as commandos. The MJOLNIR/K is simply a designation, but it’s not necessarily indicative of its role.
@fresh vortex
fresh vortex
so it’s treated as just another set of armor, no special roles or operations that the armor was used for?
carmine sleet
It's got features other suits don't
stoic hamlet
Well, initially, MJOLNIR wasn’t specialized, it was never really written to be made into variants. Suits were jack of all trades and looked the same, and even now many variants of it are, quite honestly, redundant.
It seems to me that to make it so the variants actually have a use certain suits have been hyper specialized, certain features being prioritized over others.
Commando seems to be made for more rugged operations, it might not necessarily have the most cutting edge gear, but it’s tried and tested and likely not prone to failure, whereas (hypothetical example) the Recon or Scout armours might technically do the same job better, but their systems might be more fine-tuned, prone to hiccups in the field.
golden basin
Completely forgot that the San'Shyuum had their own 'Spartans', the Prelates.
fresh vortex
so what technologies and reliable advantages did the commando variant of the mark V provide over better suited counterparts
and who were some famous wearers of it
golden basin
Carter is one wearer of the Commando variant.
The design made its way to the Gen 2 after many 'classic' designs were requested by Spartan-II and III operatives.
spiral jewel
The thought occured to me a few hours ago.
Was the Covenant Carbine (Type-51) used at All during the battle of I04, even though it's been used since Harvest (according to Halopedia,)
stoic hamlet
probably. @spiral jewel just because we don't see it in game doesn't mean it never appeared or was used.
carmine sleet
Indeed. Personally, I like to see the games as a representation of the events and not 100% accurate to what actually was there in terms of gear and stuff. Like, it would make no sense for Thel to have a fleet that doesn't have any precision weapons for his forces to use
unique rune
For a weapon that's supposed to have been in use since early in the war, it seems a bit odd that it only ever got recorded and categorized in 2551.
Unless the Carbines in use before then were of a different pattern...
carmine sleet
It's possible
versed helm
aye
quaint hearth
what happens to king yap yap the destroyer after HW2?
unique rune
Unknown
quaint hearth
ok i write stroy about yap yap's fate, and it connect to halo infinite where he team up with mister halo man
versed helm
Did Noble six die?
gilded mason
Yes
deep pewter
Yes
golden basin
Dimkee Hotay is the best Unggoy ever
autumn urchin
why does the noble team call the elites "tangos"?
golden basin
@autumn urchin Tango is a military term for hostile
autumn urchin
oh ok
deep pewter
They should call them hinge heads
gilded mason
No thanks. I prefer they use Squidhead.
golden basin
The 'racist' term for sangheili used by a lot of UNSC soldiers is 'Split Lips'
gilded mason
It's much cuter.
unique rune
Squidhead reminds me of Transformers Armada...
gilded mason
Oh?
unique rune
gilded mason
lol
golden basin
I wonder if some of the more oriental colonies are into K-Pop?
gilded mason
K-pop was abolished centuries ago.
unique rune
If K-pop still exists in the 26th century then we have failed as a species
golden basin
Holy cow, Tem'Bhetek is by far the most skilled San'Shyuum. He managed to wound two Sangheili in a fight, one of them being Rtas.
versed helm
@versed helm yes noble six did eventually die but it wasn't by the red elite because that elite used something more like an energy knife then an energy sword.
I literally just finished reach again.
I finished reach on legendary and my friend was going into the lore of how Noble six didn't die and all these theories from the internet and I'm like we both saw him get killed right there
In the actual "death" cutscene six kicks the energy sword out of the hands of said red elite
But yes Six is dead.
I mean saying he did live reach got glassed so he is dead now
No "he" dies before large scale glassing starts but know one actually knows when or how.
deep pewter
The other elite probably stabbed him, there was 3 of them
versed helm
True
deep pewter
He didn’t make it off the ground after he fell
gilded mason
Yeah, cuts to another scene right when the red elite is milliseconds from stabbing him.
versed helm
But i think you as a player should be able to beat it somehow because of just the amount of work people have put into surviving lone wolf.
But thats just my opinion
fresh vortex
at what point do gamma spartans receive mark v armor?
gilded mason
They didn't.
deep pewter
Wouldn’t it be during the SIV program?
versed helm
Not my area of expertise.
gilded mason
Though that would be Gen2 armor, not Mark V.
versed helm
I think they still have some version of SPI