CHRIS / Halo Follower isnt old š®
#lore-and-universe
sleek star
gilded mason
That isn't really about the "lore and universe"
sleek star
Xuberant is a interesting character as well
random cradle
Xuberant is just female guilty spark tbh
unique rune
I dunno, she seems to have handled her millennia of isolation far better than Spark ever did.
sleek star
SHES STILL an interesing character tho
random cradle
Tbh my favorite part of the halo franchise in extended lore was 3- before 4 and the aftermath of the human covenant war thatās hella off topic though
terse lava
@unique rune she likely kept herself more busy the. He did
feral perch
Fun fact, Martin OāDonnell pushed to get Johnson killed in Halo 3ās story
terse lava
Nice
random cradle
Hey canāt die
agile tundra
I just got max rank. my grinds finally over https://youtu.be/BVG9UwGl2ZY
terse lava
Cool
feral perch
Wrong chat buddy
random cradle
Sneaks thatās cool but you have a Fortnite character as your profile
sleek star
FORTNITE IN HALO š®
random cradle
?
pure pagoda
"This is Echo-419, somebody order a Warthog?"
We must talk over this.
Possibly the best moments in Halo is when you drive a Warthog, one of the wierdest you coolest vehciles in the universe.
feral perch
Weirdest? Itās probably the most normal vehicle in the entire series
Itās been in service for hundreds of years.
pure pagoda
Compared the Scorpion.
feral perch
The Scorpion is a weird tank.
feral perch
Sure.
feral perch
But the Warthog is more like vehicles we have today than anything else.
unique rune
Warthog... weird... in comparison to the Scorpion...?
Yeah, nah, the Scorpion's the strange one here.
quiet umbra
The only big design flaw of the scorpion is that the gunner seat is super dangerous
it's directly below the main turret
the wraith is much worse it's possible to totally burn the gunner to death with the main plasma launcher
carmine sleet
Blame that on Bungie not knowing much about real world military vehicles and weapons when they designed both of those vehicles
carmine sleet
Also that too
random cradle
Itās in 2550 I think we can give them a break from j not being accurate
echo flint
are they any books that focus on thomas lasky? or is it just the film foward unto dawn
carmine sleet
No books focus on Lasky
random cradle
I mean some graphic novels about the new spartan 4s but he mostly a unlocked doochbag of a character
carmine sleet
I wouldn't have described him like that at all
random cradle
Like Sarah planet
carmine sleet
Lasky's a really interesting guy who you can clearly tell wants to do the right thing
random cradle
Laskeys the one from h 4 right
carmine sleet
Yes
random cradle
Yea the writing for him in h 4 was pretty bad
echo flint
4 yea
gaunt oakBOT
random cradle
Am I the only one that is annoyed by halo Infininits title breaking the number formula from before
Same with h5 guardians
gilded mason
It's a good idea. As more games come out, it'd be more and more silly to keep the numbers.
echo flint
so it is halo6?
gilded mason
Yes.
echo flint
cool
tho i guess we wont see master chief's friends? he seemed to be alone once again
unique rune
Lasky... written poorly in H4? Are you sure you aren't getting him mixed up with Del Rio, who was... intentionally written to be an obstacle to Chief's progress?
random cradle
Yea del rio was the bad one sorry about that Chief
stoic hamlet
Despite intentionally being written as an antagonist I still think Del Rio was in the right for the ābigā outburst.
gilded mason
Yeah. Though it'd be foolish to "delete" Cortana immediately, considering the data she might have on her.
unique rune
Yeah, I don't think Del Rio was ever necessarily doing anything wrong, he's just kinda written as the "technically correct but still obstructive bureaucrat" type of role
stoic hamlet
Heās painted as the bad guy flat out in 4 though
If one doesnāt take the time to think, thatās all heāll ever be perceived as.
gilded mason
Many quietly snuck off when they realized a lot of people were gonna be mad at them
half apex
( not just the prophets their entire race, i just don't know how to spell the name )
huh
gilded mason
Rtas went off in search of them for a while
It was not stated how successful he was.
half apex
whats the name of their homeworld? they probably went back there
i guess they are just keeping quiet in an unknown part of the galaxy
half apex
rip
gilded mason
But it's not confirmed
random cradle
Their are very few prophets as they are a low population and high standards for the when they have children
half apex
whats the life span?
random cradle
The average
half apex
for San'Shyuum
gilded mason
Unknown. Mercy was 220 years old when he died, and he was very old.
half apex
huh
random cradle
Human lifespan or longer I think judging on truths wrinkles
gilded mason
Humans...are much shorter-lived.
half apex
regret i think it was, sounded very raspy, old
gilded mason
Regret was apparently the youngest of the three hierarchs
random cradle
The boss fight with them was laughably easy in h2
half apex
which one was the one who got infected by the flood?
gilded mason
Regret got integrated, Mercy got strangled by one
half apex
its hard to tell which prophet is which, they all have long necks, big foreheads, and they're all ugly š
gilded mason
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random cradle
I personally think the prophets and the covenant are more interesting thatās the unsc and the humans
unique rune
I just remember them by the order and method of their deaths
gilded mason
Broken Circle
half apex
glasslands
unique rune
Hm... maybe The Cole Protocol?
random cradle
Iām a fan of glass lands and the rest of the kilo 5 tirlogy
half apex
wait whats the name of the new book coming that features master chief?
gilded mason
Oblivion? It already came out.
random cradle
But as somebody who just got into the books the amount is overwhelming
half apex
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unique rune
I need to get back into the novels. Started Smoke and Shadow but still haven't finished it.
random cradle
I like the he storyās that donāt involve the chief for some reason
With a exception of the Eric nylund books
unique rune
Due to an error caused by the author's name, on November 15, 2016 Smoke and Shadow was listed on Amazon as the 14th bestselling book in the LGBT science-fiction genre.
I will never not find this amusing.
random cradle
Yea you havenāt heard of it itās where master chief comes out as g a y and dates Locke
half apex
do spartan II's still work out?
well spartans overall
as far im sure, the only time we've seen spartans work out was after augmentation
in fall of reach, the movie
and book
random cradle
You just asked, answered, and provided a example of your own question
I commend you
gilded mason
They had genetic requirements, yes. It was looser thanks to advancing tech, and none of the Spartans suffered adverse effects from it
quaint hearth
how come shotgun in halo 4 and 5 look kinda ugly, but it the same shotgun in halo reach? https://www.halopedia.org/M45_shotgun
feral perch
It doesn't look ugly.
quaint hearth
it doesnt look like the halo reach shotgun, but it same shotgun?
feral perch
The M45 in 4/5 is the M45D variant
quaint hearth
huh
solemn flint
Wow, I get a warning for that last word.
gilded mason
The server is very...PG.
random cradle
Do you guys like the master chief design with the 117 on it or not
gilded mason
Not a fan, personally.
feral perch
The 117 should be smaller and black, instead of the ugly white
random cradle
Yea itās very bold and obvious like in the movie forward unto dawn it is giant
quaint hearth
forward unto dawn is a ship
gilded mason
He's talking about the show
random cradle
Yea
feral perch
what
random cradle
Yea personally I hope the giant 117 is not in infinite
feral perch
What did I even say?!
versed helm
What's the best pistol lore wise?
gilded mason
I heard the K-word is banned for some outlandish reason
feral perch
Holy frickity frack
gilded mason
I have no idea why
random cradle
Yea canāt even say g a y
versed helm
Which k word
feral perch
Well that I understand, that makes sense @random cradle
quaint hearth
@versed helm plasma pistol best gun pistol weapon lore
gilded mason
Which k word
The Spartan whose name begins with K
versed helm
Wtf why can't I say k e l l y
feral perch
mooooddssss
random cradle
@feral perch yea I agree thatās fair
fair hazel
@solemn flint don't bypass word filter
random cradle
Sorry
gilded mason
A bit much.
random cradle
Warden eternal is a bum in the game and in the discord
quaint hearth
shotgun look like shotgun from doom 2016
fair hazel
my favourite shotgun is the blaze of glory
random cradle
Has anybody played the mobile games
versed helm
Warden is a garbo bot
random cradle
I had them then they got d listed
fair hazel
i have them
quaint hearth
@random cradle i think some halo mobile game on steam š³
solemn flint
Alright, so question I used earlier without the "naughty" word. Is the fact that in canon the Mark 4 armour is not self recharging just a Marathon reference?
gilded mason
What about it is a Marathon reference?
solemn flint
Well, the big thing in lore about it is that it needs to be recharged at some station. It's a marathon reference because basically all the features of the mark 4 armour are just what you have in game in Marathon.
gilded mason
Well, the big thing in lore about it is that it needs to be recharged at some station.
Where was that said?
fair hazel
No..?
solemn flint
I read it on like Halopedia
Well, I read on Mark 5 that the breakthrough was rechargeable shields
From that it's just inference that Mark 4 has non self rechargeable shields.
solemn flint
" The first major breakthrough, which was introduced with the first generation of the Mark V, was the addition of a self-recharging energy shield system, reverse-engineered from captured Kig-yar point defense gauntlets"
That strikes me as specifying self recharging in particular
gilded mason
It is not.
fair hazel
Some mark IV platforms prototyped shields, and it was formally introduced in mark V.
spiral jewel
Silly question (that people probably have constantly asked):
Aside from Jorge (for Obvious reasons) , has any member of Noble Team ever worked alongside a S-II prior to the Fall of Reach?
stoic hamlet
SPI also prototyped shields
fair hazel
not that we know of autobot king
versed helm
LMAO
spiral jewel
So it's possible, but unconfirmed at the moment, Erick?
versed helm
I would say something like that is possible
keen canopy
It's possible but unlikely. Spartan III teams primarily worked on ops that would involve heavy cooperation/interaction with regular UNSC forces, and (unconfirmed) civilians.
This is stated to be the reason for their higher ranks compared to Spartan IIs.
keen canopy
He was likely flagged as a good psychological fit for the team. And as Spartan II teams were fluid, he would have been available.
ONI does as ONI pleases. And most outside of ONI/ SPARTAN had no idea there were distinct types of Spartans. They're just big metal bois.
potent cargo
Something popped up in my mind, if the covenant were able to essentially create force fields that nothing could get through presumably made with forerunners looted tech
Why weren't the forerunners able to create let's say shield worlds with basically a large shield defending it from the flood
We know the shields even on the mark armors can kill flood
keen canopy
No forcefield is indestructible
Hammer it hard enough and it will fall. See the Sentinel-built containment field around High Charity in HW2 DLC
potent cargo
True it can be destroyed with the shields we know today but if the forerunner tech was that powerful im sure they could have designed a shield of hard light that was nearly indestructible excluding the source
carmine sleet
It was Forerunner tech used around High Charity on the Ark, Faber, the Banished still broke through
keen canopy
They probably tried (1000 solutions were tried and tested) but if you're at a level of technology to create shields of a certain strength, you likely also possess weaponry with equal destructive capability. And the Flood had Forerunner weaponry of course.
And yea the Sentinel built forcefield was Forerunner obviously.
potent cargo
I know how to solve the halo series
Fire the rings
Dont repopulate
The end
But yea @keen canopy very tru point
sharp adder
I agree
keen canopy
It's one of the coolest things about the Flood IMO. Virtually weapon you create to combat them, they're just gonna inevitably possess it themselves.
They're like Hulk, where their power level rises to meet whatever they are facing.
gaunt oakBOT
rancid delta
@versed helm ok
But like, why cant u evacuate the galaxy to the ark, then activate the halos from there?
carmine sleet
It would be impossible to evac an entire galaxy
keen canopy
The Ark isn't that big
lunar condor
Speaking of containment, the flood is easy to defeat if you catch it before it evolves and when its still in 1 place. The forerunners realized way too late what was happening, it was too late by the time the humans got rekd by the forerunners
The flood already had access to high end weapons and ships, and when they started killing unprepared forerunner ships/troops it just became worse and worse
And the thing is if you let the flood spread on a galactic scale just running away wont save you, it will reach you eventually
Even if you go to a galaxy far far away it will eventually reach you
Even if it takes millions of years
Granted though like all things the flood probably has a weakness thats not been found yet. Because nothing is perfect.
true shadow
flood can be easy to contain if it's in the early stages of spreading i.e. before a proto mind can be established but it becomes increasingly difficult. And it doesn't help that the knowledge from the previous graveminds are passed on to the newer ones
Not sure if there is a definitive weakness that the flood has other than starving and dying out. The flood is ever changing and can evolve to be better equipped for different scenarios
lunar condor
Id think even that has a limit, like the flood is op but they are most likely going to introduce a weakness for it sometime
versed helm
well, the issue with the flood is more the fact that they're all intrinsically linked.
true shadow
let's say a cure was developed, there's no guarantees that upon initial release of said cure it would work but the flood isn't like some common flu or virus. It's smart and adapts
versed helm
so it's less that knowledge gets passed as it is they're iterations of the same consciousness
carmine sleet
The same as what the previous Gravemind knew
true shadow
exactly
That has me thinking
if the flood gets reintroduced into Infinite, do you think there'll be a gravemind? And even more, do you think he'd remember chief
carmine sleet
It's unlikely there would be a Gravemind if they were introduced
true shadow
well the obvious answer is yes he'd remember but i mean it'd be cool in a lore sense to acknowledge that
versed helm
if it's I07, then it's very likely the flood would be there
true shadow
true
zeta halo has a long history with the flood
i haven't looked that much into zeta halo, i only know that it's got an extensive history with the flood.
and furthermore, i don't know the state of the ring either. In the e3 infinite trailer the ring that was seen was damaged.
tame crystal
how exactly do marines survive flood infestations? like does ONI not just kill them as soon as they escape? cause the flood can spread through cells right? which are kinda microscopic and can probably cover surfaces very quickly,
terse lava
Gameplay I guess
sharp adder
Imagine having to fight a fully grown Gravemind in infinite it would be a amazing boss battle imagine the size of it
sharp adder
Or even a keymind flood space ship i think it is the size of 20 covernat super carriers end to end
broken solstice
There's also the fact that during the Forerunner-Flood War, the Flood were entering the Milky Way galaxy from virtually every direction outside the galaxy. This is why you find Flood specimens in Forerunner installations- the Forerunners knew they were going to return and wanted to synthesize a cure, if not at least know more about the Flood, for when they do. Evacuating the entire galaxy to the Ark, even if you could do that practically and have everyone and everything fit, and firing the Rings would only delay the problem because the Flood would eventually come back anyway
Gravemind: "I am inevitable."
sharp adder
But aving to fight a fully grown De Gravemind in infinite it would be a amazing boss battle imagine the size of it the one in halo 2 wasn't even fully grown or even a keymind flood space ship i think it is the size of 20 covernat super carriers end to end
terse lava
The flood did not come from"every direction" into the galaxy. They first made landfall on a single forerunner resort planet.
versed helm
Welcome back, @versed helm
Anyways, that is tru, Ado. The Flood didn't come from any & every direction, but instead on a Forerunner world.
The Forerunners didn't know the threat they posed
So once they realized they were a threat, it was too late
sharp adder
Because they thought they would be easier to beat than humanity
inner basin
Well not necessarily, because humanity, or what they had left fighting the Forerunners, actually did weaken them quite a bit. Ofc the Forerunners did inevitably defeat Ancient Humanity but it had a cost on their side too. It wasnāt as easy as youāre making it out to be
terse lava
Wonder how things would gave gone had humanity wiped out the flood
agile dragon
Well, it might depend on how long after they wiped out the flood that they came into contact with the forerunners. Like they were at their weakest vs strongest.
terse lava
Let's say right before, maybe 2 or 3 forerunner worlds lost
terse lava
Blame humanity,
terse lava
Then again, the books imply humanity was a normally aggresive race. Maybe forerunners thought the flood was a human experiment gone wrong, like the early 2000s flood theories
agile dragon
The Forerunners were predisposed to not like humanity though, didn't the Forerunners kill the Precursors because they wanted to give the Mantle to Humanity?
versed helm
It was something akin to that aye, though I thought the precursors got wiped out by the flood, and then the forerunners took the mantle for themselves
agile dragon
The Precursors became the flood =[
They were getting massacred by the Forerunners and turned themselves into a power/dust with the hopes of reverting back into their normal forms down the line. Too much time passed and the powder became inert, then humanity discovered it and you can read up on the rest XD
@versed helm Read from there onwards
terse lava
Yep, problem here being the forerunners either did it out of jealously, or at defense of themselves as the precursors planned on erasing them. Or both
versed helm
so question, has Chief ever eaten anything or does his suit cover all the vitals like food, water, going toilet etc..
gilded mason
He eats and drinks. And he has a catheter in his suit.
versed helm
thanks
random cradle
I think he eats does of screen and might have water in his suit
terse lava
Does anyone think that forerunner societee would have been better had the life workers been in charge rather than the builders after the Battle with humanity?
inner basin
Well would it have made a difference, really? I mean the Forerunners were still likely to be nearly wiped out by the Flood Iād assume, as even when the Builders were in charge, a 1000 plans were tried and failed
random cradle
@terse lava Yea definitely
sharp adder
the builders were just wanting to build space sanctuaries that would keep them safe from the flood and fous for on protecting than actually attacking the flood so they litreally waited for them to mostly come while the lifegivers i feel like they might have been better during the flood becase the buildrs focused ost resources and reasing a cure and and building masive statuions and sheild worlds when they
random cradle
@sharp adder sorry I am not that familiar with the ancient halo universe
terse lava
Well the builders also became very corrupt and didnt appear to care much for other sentient life when proposing the halos. The biomes were only added to them.and the two arks after lifeworkers pointed out the crime against the mantle.it would be
carmine sleet
Hey, quick question, when was the Logic Plague Cortana theory deconfirmed?
sharp adder
No she definitely had it in halo 4
gilded mason
That was rampancy.
sharp adder
Isn't that the same thing
gilded mason
No
Logic Plague is when the Flood tries to convince you with "logic" of a certain belief that would benefit the Flood. Rampancy is the natural progression of Smart AI as they grow old.
sharp adder
Well she did get rped by gravemind from end of halo 2 to near the end of halo 3 wouldn't that give cortana the log plague
gilded mason
Not nessessarily.
carmine sleet
Cortana didn't exactly have a long conversation with the Gravemind, relatively speaking
Like, it was what, 43 years that Gravemind spent speaking with Mendicant?
sharp adder
Still he would have tourtured her in her mind he would have centuries worth of experience
gilded mason
And it'd be just a bit narratively unsatisfying if she spent all that time and courage resisting the Gravemind only to turn aorund later and say "Haha, she failed after all!"
sharp adder
Plus he also did it to the didactic which made him insane
gilded mason
Like, it was what, 43 years that Gravemind spent speaking with Mendicant?
Ye
carmine sleet
Thought so
But all I need to know, is there a source for when it was confirmed that the Logic Plague theory isn't true?
unique rune
I donāt believe thereās anything thatās completely ruled it out
gilded mason
Nothing that says it isn't true, but nothing that confirms it, either.
carmine sleet
Ah, I see. Thanks
gilded mason
And it doesn't really make sense to me, anyway.
carmine sleet
Aye, agreed. The amount of time is just way too short for her to be Logic Plagued
unique rune
I always found the reasoning people put behind the Logic Plague explanation to be a bit... convoluted.
gilded mason
Yeah
carmine sleet
Indeed
random cradle
So cortanas actions in h5 was rampancy and the logic plague
gilded mason
and the logic plague
There's no proof of that.
gilded mason
Are you talking about the loot crates?
gilded mason
That was basically talking about every possible reason that she might be evil now.
fair hazel
As I said. Hints. But not 100% confirmed
terse lava
Kind of annoying how we dont have an answer yet, though had to wait almost a decade for the reason of the covenant war
iron glacier
They're probably gonna loop it back to Halo 4 when she killed herself by using fragments of herself to hinder the didact. The H5 Cortana was probably a rampant fragment of her that found the domain. The UNSC/Halsey is gonna rebuild her using a non-rampant fragment, hence her new serial number on the chip in chief's helmet
that's my theory anyway
gilded mason
The UNSC/Halsey is gonna rebuild her using a non-rampant fragment
How?
iron glacier
Halsey made cortana from the brain of a clone of herself
carmine sleet
It would be easier to clone Halsey's brain again than to go looking for more Cortana fragments to use
iron glacier
With all the halsey bashing going on in the books, I doubt that they'd let her do that again
I'd say that if she can make a smart AI version of herself from the brain of a clone, that she could probably make another cortana based on a pre existing fragment of a previous cortana pretty easily
carmine sleet
I was just saying it would be easier, not that they will allow her to do it
And the UNSC has no fragments of Cortana
dusty siren
It wouldn't feel the same though
iron glacier
One sec
This practically confirms that there are multiple "parts" of cortana
The only real place I can think of (off the top of my head anyway) that they could get a fragment of cortana from is from high charity/the ark
carmine sleet
Cortana didn't leave a fragment at High Charity
iron glacier
I'm curious what your theory is, if you don't think it's the logic plague or fragments
carmine sleet
I never said anything about Cortana not being fragmented, just that the UNSC has no fragments
iron glacier
I wonder if the control room on Io4 is the control room in the infinite trailer? probably not. It wouldn't be that well kept
grasping at straws here
carmine sleet
It's not Installation 04, that was destroyed in CE
unique rune
Well, Installation 04 is space dust now, so it canāt be.
Installation 08 is also in no condition to be visited.
iron glacier
IO4 was visited by Locke in halo nightfall
unique rune
And itās space dust now.
iron glacier
I also didn't finish nightfall
unique rune
Boom goes the Havok nuke.
carmine sleet
That section of the ring Locke visited was also not the part with the control room, nor would it be possible for it to be the ring seen in the Infinite trailers
iron glacier
gotcha. like I said, grasping at straws
only other place that has any significance where she was/where a fragment could be is high charity
carmine sleet
It's better not to grasp at straws
And Cortana didn't leave fragments every time she was plugged into a terminal of computer
iron glacier
So then the only other way that they could make a new cortana is if halsey cloned herself
I was gonna say sword base but that was blown up
unique rune
Pretty sure Halsey kept some of the other successfully flash cloned brains from when she made the original Cortana.
Whether or not she can access them is an entirely different problem.
carmine sleet
I would say they were lost on Reach
unique rune
Most likely.
iron glacier
is Reach where she held her brains?
carmine sleet
But the Infinity likely has the resources to make a new flash cloned brain
iron glacier
true
unique rune
Reach was where Spartan-II was based and the planned location for kicking off Op. RED FLAG, so itās probably where Halsey had most of her resources.
iron glacier
otherwise there might just be a non rampant fragment just floating around in the forerunner network somewhere
the domain and all that
I've got it
Noble 6's armor in a cave on Reach
carmine sleet
Please not the Noble 6 in a cave thing again. It's such an annoying theory
iron glacier
I'm joking
unique rune
B312ās armor wouldnāt have any traces of Cortana anyway
gilded mason
Yes
iron glacier
fragments make the most sense to me. It's just this last piece I'm having trouble with
lunar condor
In reality its the gravemind on zeta halo pretending to be cortana
hollow swift
Is noble 6 dead? There has been some speculation but I doubt it. Nervous rookie like him could outlive Emil, Iād say he lived.
stoic hamlet
Halsey wasnāt a primary designer of RED FLAG. She had no involvement
hollow swift
Unless I missed something
stoic hamlet
Nervous Rookie?
gilded mason
Is noble 6 dead?
Yes.
stoic hamlet
@hollow swift
gilded mason
He is super dead
stoic hamlet
What do you mean by nervous rookie?
carmine sleet
Six was not a rookie. Far from being one
lunar condor
Noble 6 is the gravemind thats impersonating cortana in halo 5
coarse scarab
No noble 6 is alive in a cave on reach
hollow swift
Also where do you find out heās dead
unique rune
In Reach.
stoic hamlet
I really wanna hear this guys, please
gilded mason
The ending of Reach
hollow swift
Is he seen being killed?
keen canopy
Try playing the 9 year old game
hollow swift
Like helmet taken off stabbed in the head
gilded mason
@hollow swift
Nervous rookie like him
What do you mean by this?
unique rune
I mean.
The cut to black very, very strongly suggests that he took an energy dagger to the face.
Dev statements have backed up his death.
keen canopy
Bungie confirmed he died before Reach even released. later on 343 confirmed he died.
gilded mason
Bungie and 343
lunar condor
Dev just trying to mislead us from the truth
gilded mason
And common sense
hollow swift
THIS GAME DOESNT HAVE DEVS
stoic hamlet
Wot?
hollow swift
(I know Whta devs are and I know who)
gilded mason
Are you all right?
unique rune
Life support from a failing suit of armor isnāt going to save you from an energy blade to the face.
unique rune
Or anywhere else on the body, for that matter.
carmine sleet
Every game has a team of devs making it, Cayde
hollow swift
And it wasnāt failing
stoic hamlet
Mark V didnāt have automatic biofoam injectors anyways
hollow swift
Iām aware
stoic hamlet
Well, technically @unique rune Mark VI could
unique rune
Except... weāre talking about Noble Six and not Chief.
keen canopy
I wish there was a rule against trolling.
gilded mason
Are you just trolling, or...?
stoic hamlet
At the very least it could prolong your life enough that you can get to a proper medical facility.
stoic hamlet
He couldnāt have
unique rune
Even if he did survive, what good would that do?
hollow swift
Imma just run all the games on legendary Iām off for Christmas next week
carmine sleet
Trolling isn't allowed here, 2EEZY, doesn't stop people from doing it
unique rune
Heād be running around on a Covenant-dominated planet, cut off from the UNSC, crippled and injured.
stoic hamlet
He was on the ground. Even if he killed the elite directly overtop him, there were 3 others around that could kill him before he could even break their shields.
lunar condor
Man can you imagine surviving a horde of elites and the glassing of a planet to die from hunger and dehydration cuz theres nothing left
hollow swift
Why are we talking about trolling in a heated nice conversation about noble 6
stoic hamlet
I still wanna know what you mean by nervous rookie
lunar condor
Did we ever find out why noble team had mjolnir armor?
hollow swift
@lunar condor wait mark V didnāt have the stuff that chiefās armor did? I know itās gonna sound bad but the later models of the armor turned Chiefās... waste into food and his pee into clean drinkable water
stoic hamlet
All MJOLNIR has that. @hollow swift Mark V (all versions) didnāt have the automatic Biofoam injectors that the Mark VI did.
keen canopy
@lunar condor A few select Spartan IIIs were pulled from their companies, organised into small teams and given Mjolnir.
hollow swift
Thatās what itās called. Thx @stoic hamlet
stoic hamlet
Thatās the in-universe reason for no more health packs
lunar condor
I always thought that spartan 3s couldnt wear mjolnir so they wore SPI aside from obvious budget constraints
gilded mason
It was just budget
hollow swift
Why are we taking about marvel
stoic hamlet
They only wore SPI because of budget, not because they physically couldnāt wear it.
keen canopy
@lunar condor IIIs had augmentation on par with the IIs.
lunar condor
I wonder what makes a mjolnir armor so expensive, outside of its energy shield i guess which is a pretty novel tech
hollow swift
Iām not trolling Iām just not sure what this armor is. Can someone dm me a picture of it please? The mjolnir?
stoic hamlet
The chemical implementation of the IIIās augments isnāt really relevant. It did the same as the IIās, but safer and with the ability to augment more kids at younger ages.
Acting like because itās drugs is somehow worse than open surgeries is an odd stance.
lunar condor
Werent S3 augmentations supposed to be budget as well tho?
unique rune
Lower cost, lower risk, still just as effective as what the Spartan-IIs got.
lunar condor
I thought the way they made it effective was by making them into spartan "berserkers"
Ah
stoic hamlet
A bunch that essentially changed their bodies.
One drug gave them night vision for example.
Calling them berserkers is simplifying things a bit.
Yeah
unique rune
Always good to have a bit of redundancy.
stoic hamlet
All Spartans have basically night vision
unique rune
Never know what can go wrong in the field
stoic hamlet
It is in Last Light IIRC.
lunar condor
In my head S3s filled a role similar to brutes and S2s to elites but i suppose they just do the same things nowadays
unique rune
Because Bungie liked to pretend the books didnāt exist
keen canopy
No Donk, Spartan IIIs were highly effective solo as well
lunar condor
Inb4 the in universe reason that all levels are bright enough is that spartans have night vision
stoic hamlet
Fred sets up an ambush in a cave system, using himself and a group of civilians as bait. So he used headlights and stuff to show himself and his srruoindfs.
Meanwhile he had IIIās hidden in alcoves and passageways in pitch darkness. For hours.
They werenāt highly expendable
keen canopy
They weren't treated as expendable,
stoic hamlet
But they had contingencies and stuff for evacuation and retrieval.
lunar condor
I wonder if humanity already had spartan 4s in big numbers if the covenant would have gotten so far during the war
stoic hamlet
They would have
Spartans really didnāt do much at all
The problem was always in space
keen canopy
The IIs went undefeated for decades
But watched planet after planet glassed from orbit
stoic hamlet
Thatās not really true
That they went undefeated
They had quite a few casualties
lunar condor
Idk if you can say they went undefeated, they didnt die but the prolly got defeated a lot
gilded mason
14 or so
stoic hamlet
Even in situations where no Spartans were involved in the battles the UNSC often won the ground but lost orbit
lunar condor
I wonder how long they can remain on active duty and what they are gonna do once they get too old
gilded mason
UNSC often won the ground
I don't think that was ever stated? Outside the first several months of the war, at least.
keen canopy
Figure of speech, they did pretty well to survive in such high numbers until Reach.
stoic hamlet
The Flood said it IIRC, and Dirt had a few mentions of it as well, I think. I definitely remember at least one example in Dirt where the ODSTās complete their objectives but need to evacuate due to a deteriorating naval engagement
gilded mason
The Flood said it IIRC
It also had an Elite character saying the opposite
lunar condor
Well the spartans did accomplish things nobody else did so idk if the difference they made was that small like it would be dumb to say the master chief was a deceisive factor of the human/covenant war
stoic hamlet
It was small comparatively.
Like, Alpha Company supposedly bought humanity another decade or so with PROMETHEUS, but colonies still got glassed, the navy just barely held on, etc
lunar condor
I suppose if they had ships like the infinity and spartans it would be an equal-ish fight with the covenant
All spartans are fairly equal in gen 2 mjolnir id say
stoic hamlet
theyāre equalized, but IIIās are more effective than IVās, I think
Simply because their training and stuff
unique rune
Presumably Spartan-IIIs would be better than Spartan-IVs
stoic hamlet
Theyāve been Spartans for longer.
Have likely used the armour for longer
Out of armour theyāre on par with IIās, so IVās have no real chance
lunar condor
Well by the experience/training category 2s would most likely win out but out of armor 4s are the weakest i believe?
If we pretend like S-Is dont exist
keen canopy
IIIs had better training no?
terse lava
Depends really
lunar condor
Id say different idk about better, also thought their training was shorter
stoic hamlet
It was the same amount as the IIās for Gamma
Better in terms of combat, as well
But not as good overall.
terse lava
Best training would likly go to them, as they were trained by a 2 and mendez, plus they lacked the fancy augmentation 2s had
stoic hamlet
Basically, a II put skulls into everything.
A III focused entirely on combat skills.
Thatās the best way I can think to frame it.
lunar condor
I wonder how bad S4s would lag behind if they used the expensive gen 1 mjolnir
Because gen 2 afaik has some improvements but is an overall cheaper version of mjolnir
Better suited for mass production
And has some limits in place especially in the strengthening department but not sure on that i remember hearing it on a lore video
unique rune
GEN2 is intended to bring Spartan-IVs up to par with a Spartan-II in GEN1, if I recall correctly.
random cradle
I thought that the 2s where the most super soulider like
unique rune
GEN2 is overall more suited to higher production volumes, but thatās in part due to it being more commercialized than GEN1.
random cradle
I thought the spartan operations where classified for 1s and 2s
inner basin
Darn I missed the S-III discussion D:
random cradle
Nvm sorry getting that confused with the making of the mojlner armor
That was classified
stoic hamlet
Iāve missed plenty before @inner basin
Welcome to the club of missing III discussions
inner basin
S-IIIs are my favourite Spartan Generation too, and my overall favourite lore
random cradle
Personally I think the storyās of the ones are interesting but 3s are my favorite
inner basin
Well the ones augmentations are very limited so Iām not a big fan, unless itās Johnson
Who doesnāt love a bit of Sgt Johnson?
stoic hamlet
I want more Byrne
inner basin
Forgot he existed ngl
stoic hamlet
Thatās why I want more of him, lol
random cradle
Tbh Sargent Johnson is the most unanimously loved character in all of gaming
inner basin
Itās because heās funny af
random cradle
Hoo rah
inner basin
The first time I heard each of his funny lines, I kept laughing for like 10mins straight
random cradle
Dear Humanity, we Regret being alien -Yoinks!-, we Regret coming to Earth, and we most definitely Regret that the Corps just blew up our raggedy--Yoink- fleet!
inner basin
Did you copy that from Waypoint by any chance?
inner basin
May or may not be the particular censoring that Waypoint does
random cradle
You guys currently reading a halo book
terse lava
Not at this time
inner basin
I like this server for quick conversations, but I do like Waypoint for gathering a mass of opinions (although it can be toxic sometimes). But as to answer your question, no, Iām not reading anything at this time
random cradle
currently in the middle oblivion
random cradle
Even though I like the expanded universe nice to see the guy that started it all
terse lava
Hm? Who?
random cradle
The chief
terse lava
Ah
lunar condor
Did they announce any books coming after oblivion yet?
terse lava
Not to my knowledge
gilded mason
currently in the middle oblivion
Neat. Nizat and Tam are bae.
terse lava
"Bae" please no
gilded mason
baaaaeeeee
terse lava
HERESY
random cradle
Iām i the only one that thinks the story was more interesting when the covenant was around with the prophets and in full swing so h1 2 and 3
lunar condor
Battleborn is a trilogy so i assume another one of those is gonna come around, no idea what else we gonna get im excited for a new book.
random cradle
Would like to see a story about a arbiter doesnāt have to be thel vadam
lunar condor
The human covenant war is interesting but im kinda into the civilian + spartan combo teams for the interactions like Halo Last Light or Battleborn
terse lava
I am.curious if they will bring back nizat and tam during the war or after
gilded mason
I hope it's after the war.
Spoiler for the benefit of Galaxy:
||He, Tam, and humans finally escape the planet, and they realize the war has been over for years.||
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
Thought "benefit of galaxy" was some small book I missed. Long day, but yea
gilded mason
š
terse lava
Still if they brought them back post war, how would that affect them I wonder
random cradle
Would like to see a book about the sangehlious civil war and the arbiters role in it
gilded mason
||"Oh...REALLY?! ONI is still around? You had one job!"||
terse lava
@gilded masonhow does one do that on a phone
random cradle
Should I read the foreigner trilogy next would you recommend it
terse lava
I would
gilded mason
I had to go to the pad layer with the numbers, go to the bottom right with the apostrophe and hold it down, then select the leftmost option
terse lava
Eh no luck atm
gilded mason
Ah
terse lava
Likely overlooking it
random cradle
Is that to hide spoilers
gilded mason
No, this is: ||
Wait, whoops. I told you the wrong thing @terse lava
For some reason, I had it in my head you wear asking about quote boxes
random cradle
Least favorite halo book?
gilded mason
Kilo-5 trilogy.
random cradle
Arbiter is The leader of the sords of snahelios
gilded mason
For phone, go to the symbol tab, and it should be there. @terse lava
autumn urchin
Do odsts exclusively drop from unsc frigates?
random cradle
Yea
unique rune
ODSTs drop from whatever ship they need to so long as itās fitted for drops.
terse lava
@gilded masonwhich symbol
gilded mason
@terse lava
Two of these on each side: |
lunar condor
Least favourite halo book? Probably the very short ones all of them they too short.
random cradle
All of them?
gilded mason
š
lunar condor
Im allergic against halo books that are very short idk why
random cradle
Yea whatās short for you
terse lava
Now then, ||would think nizat would have a far worse reaction on learning what had transpired since his exile||
lunar condor
Since i usually listen to them as audiobooks most halo books are 9+ hours
But some are like 3 to 4 hours
Like 2 of them or so
Im allergic to those
random cradle
Examples
terse lava
@gilded mason||he was becoming so devout it unnerved tam at one point||
terse lava
Sometimes short stories are good ones
lunar condor
Then i look at mortal dictata and thats like 17 hours and im like yeee gimme dat
I just hate that they are short especially if they are good cuz then i want more but nothing else left š
terse lava
Look last voyage of the infinite succor, evolutions, and fractures
gilded mason
@terse lava
||He might also think it was the will of the gods that humanity survived...util he finds out the Forerunners weren't gods. Unless he chooses to plug his ears after hearing that.||
lunar condor
Whats yall favourite book tho
random cradle
Glass lands
lunar condor
For me its halo first strike
random cradle
Or hunters in the dark
gilded mason
Whats yall favourite book tho
Broken Circle
lunar condor
Kilo-five trilogy probably but that might get overtaken depending on how good the last part of the battleborn trilogy is gonna be
Still waiting for that one novel about a spartan that retires and starts a life as a civilian and how they struggle with that
random cradle
Yea still have to read battle born
terse lava
@gilded mason||yea, wouldn't be the best reaction||
gilded mason
@terse lava
||Though who knows, maybe years of living on a harsh planet with humans will mellow him out.||
random cradle
@gilded mason Yes that would be a touching and personal story more than usual
gilded mason
Yeah. I find Nizat's story really engaging.
random cradle
Yea
terse lava
||True, think his own problem would be finding out the great journey being a lie||
Yea, hes.one of my favorite characters thus far
random cradle
Yea is halo retribution or renegade good
gaunt oakBOT
keen canopy
Spartan II teams were often fluid according to mission requirements
However it would seem Red were kept separate, being washouts that were retrained separately post-rehabilitation.
unique hornet
Got a Halo lore question for y'all
So back in ODST, ODSTs are shown to be strong enough to pick up and use turrets (a la Spartans in every other Halo game). Was this just a gameplay concession or are turrets that light / ODSTs that strong? Remember, turrets are heavy enough that when moving with them even Jorge and Master Chief are stuck at a pretty slow walkāand those guys can easily lift over a ton. You'd imagine that turrets would weigh at least a couple hundred pounds based on that alone
Are there any other sources in canon that clarify this?
terse lava
Gameplay, bungie themselves commented at the time that in reality they couldn't lift them
Same reason you aren't killed so easily and have "shields" in the form of stamina
unique hornet
thank you very much! Do you have a source on that by chance? I'd love to hear it from the horse's mouth
terse lava
Hm
unique hornet
one of the old ViDocs maybe?
terse lava
I think it was in their site if memory serves. Not a. choice now. A viddoc maybe or a quote
Lets.ask cia, he wouls.likely know
unique hornet
if it was an article rather than a forum post then the Wayback Machine may be able to assist
autumn urchin
Can odst actually KO 1000 lb brutes by hitting them in the back like in the game too
unique hornet
presumably not. But I don't think it's physically impossible for an ODST to go akimbo with a pair of pistols either, so I'd rather have confirmation on what is/isn't possible instead of ignoring things arbitrarily
keen canopy
This is done for gameplay reasons only, as an un-enhanced human should not be strong enough to pick the turret up easily, much less carry it around, fire it accurately on the move or be faster than a Spartan wielding one.
No source, seems to be just deduction.
It's right though
terse lava
I was quite certain bungie themselves addressed this with the statement that it was.gameplay
unique hornet
That thing that's throwing me off is pretty much no machine guns in Halo actually have canon weights (except for the H2 machine gun and that's pretty light)
so there is still some chance that turrets are just bulky and not actually super heavy
was hoping to find clarification that eliminates that possibility
keen canopy
The issue is whether we have a source or not. It's definitely a gameplay feature, along with stamina, vehicle boarding, meleeing brutes etc.
unique hornet
mmhm, pretty much
terse lava
As I said earlier, maybe CIA would know?
keen canopy
He's frantically archiving halo waypoint before it gets overhauled
keen canopy
They didn't say, just announced it.
unique hornet
@obsidian thistle I hear you know Halo pretty wellādid Bungie ever specifically say that ODSTs being able to pick up turrets are a gameplay concession? I'm guessing that's the case but I'd love confirmation
keen canopy
Anyhow, gameplay != canon anyway as a rule
unique hornet
oh of course
terse lava
Yep
keen canopy
So this most likely falls under that, even in the absence of an official statement.
unique hornet
I'm gearing up to run a Halo tabletop RPG (they're playing ODSTs) and I'm aiming to get a good blend of the feel of the games and what the lore actually says stuff can do
fair hazel
a lot is gameplay
unique hornet
so clarification is my best friend
fair hazel
there actually would be some semi-powered ODST suits
unique hornet
But I'd imagine those are pretty rare, certainly not standard issue
on a similar note I cannot for the life of me find a straight answer with a source on this anywhereāper lore, is MJOLNIR bullet-proof, or just really strong against small arms fire? (I know Spartans are very much vulnerable to bullets in the games but like you said, gameplay != canon)
Like should enough assault rifle rounds eventually break through and kill the wearer? Or is it like shooting an Abrams with an M16?
keen canopy
@unique hornet the NMPD hq cutscene is a better (not perfect) indication of ODST capabilities. Four ODSTs barely took care of a brute in hand to hand combat using Combat knives.
fair hazel
AP would eventually but smaller arms would scratch paint and stuff, pretty sure
unique hornet
Yes! Definitely using that cutscene, great source
terse lava
Makes me chuckle remembering that cut halo 2 clip of arbiter soloing a group of brutes
fair hazel
and, it was more the fact that they jumped on him and swarmed the brute and tried to knife
keen canopy
There's no way an ODST would get anywhere near a brute if they had the choice
fair hazel
not really actual hand to hand combat
fair hazel
jackals are NOT frail
unique hornet
ericky, have a source that verifies that? It's driving me nuts that I can't find anyone that can point me to something telling us how bulletproof MJOLNIR is/isn't
keen canopy
Indeed, refer to Halo 4 if you wanna see that in action.
fair hazel
let me get halo retribution out
unique hornet
you're da best
stoic hamlet
IIRC even regular Marine armour can stand up to AP rounds. The Mona Lisa has a Marine sergeant get shot in the chest by an MA5 and the rounds donāt penetrate.
Eventually they would, obviously
unique hornet
yeah marine armor was designed/in use during the insurrection so it's definitely more effective against firearms
stoic hamlet
Ghosts of Onyx is the big one for talking about bulletproof MJOLNIR. In the sense that itās equated to being like a light tank, and that Insurrectionists bringing in crates of AP ammo was specifically to counter MJOLNIR.
fair hazel
when they shoot the spartans
who are just there taking a bunch of bullet sand fire, it just has flakes of titanium when they're talking
unique hornet
any chance you might be able to snap a picture the passage?
fair hazel
minor patchwork
unique hornet
AP ammo like for snipers or for smaller weapons like assault rifles?
stoic hamlet
ARās and LMGās.
fair hazel
Kelly's energy shield crackled with overload static and went down, and flakes of titanium alloy began to sprawl of her armor.
just scratches pretty much
like, metal flakes, nothing bad
and they were standing there getting shot at, making a scene
unique hornet
@stoic hamlet @fair hazel you guys are the best, thank you so much
terse lava
Not to go off topic.but wondering. Has it ever been confirmed that the red rings on covenant vehicles and crates been their "symbol" like the mantle for the forerunners?
gilded mason
Don't think so.
gilded mason
Might just be a manufacturing label perhaps?
terse lava
Well was curious since broken circle where Teresa and others saw the "sacred ring" symbols on the banshees
stoic hamlet
@unique hornet anytime. Feel free to ask more questions if you need help.
terse lava
@fair hazelusually portrayed as an odd oval with a dot within
stoic hamlet
I know what symbol you mean @terse lava I donāt think itās ever been confirmed
terse lava
I know halopedia used it ad the covenant symbol for years until h5 showed "covenant" in their language
unique hornet
@stoic hamlet well, if you insist, the last big thing I'm having trouble finding is the armor strength of marine / ODST armor. I know the latter is more advance but I'm not finding anything that implies it's significantly stronger than normal marine armor, and from my research we already have modern body armor that can pretty reliably stop the kind of rounds that the Halo assault rifle fires. So it's looking like marine armor is just a bit lighter and provides better coverage than modern armor but otherwise isn't significantly more protective. That all sound about right to you?
terse lava
@fair hazelyes that one, and I am aware they never claimed it met covenant. More a religious symbol
stoic hamlet
As far as I can tell, the advantages come from itās full seal and integrated HUD, and itās obviously a more full covering. @unique hornet
Youāre doing a game with the group playing as ODSTās right?
unique hornet
yup!
the coverage and extra tech was already factored in, so I'm glad I'm on point there
stoic hamlet
Does your medic player know about āthe shotā?
fair hazel
we dont know waht that means
so we cant say
i have to say it is annoying videos constantly using that symbol because its not accurate
stoic hamlet
ODST Medics (really all UNSC Special Forces) are equipped with a powerful injection thatās meant to be used on a trooper whoās too badly injured to move of their own power, and who canāt be evacuated.
The medic injects āThe Shotā into the wounded trooper which acts as both a painkiller......and a euthanizer. @unique hornet
terse lava
Agreed, but when n other things change, like grenade symbols and that remains. Makes.me think
terse lava
Again odd, we know humanity's symbol, the forerunner symbol, but not the covenant?
unique hornet
well it's an RPG so I'm sure he'll try and stab an elite with it or something :P
stoic hamlet
Heh
unique hornet
thanks for lettin' me know
stoic hamlet
Np
gilded mason
Yeah
unique hornet
very hot, presumably
gilded mason
American game, so I guess F?
unique hornet
I'd have to guess Kelvin as that'd be the lowest of those temperatures. But I have no clue
terse lava
Over ten million degrees if I recall
unique hornet
could crunch the math but I'd really rather not :P
terse lava
Would likely be F rather then C since bungie would be American. Though its vague enough C could work too
Yep
Huh odd
That was removed
Fusion of Sol
There
The fusion of Sol or any other.large balls of plasma burning in the void
gilded mason
Man, I can't wait until this spoiler policy is gone.
gilded mason
It's the first word of the movie series
true shadow
Mjolnir Mark IV is essentially swat 24/7 change my mind
fair hazel
F would be the least likely in terms of UNSC speaking
terse lava
@versed helm10.000k
fair hazel
C/K makes little difference at those temperatures
also just watched a video on youtube about saber, but it had some innacuracies. it makes me a bit gahh when i see a video and there are innacuracies
terse lava
Mhm
stoic hamlet
What were the inaccuracies pertaining to specifically?
versed helm
Does it really matter? A 100 million degrees is still quite a bit.
fair hazel
I forgot. I think innacuracies to saying that saber wasnāt used afterwards. Or that making it seem like broadsword was new. I forgot the others.
random cradle
What is your favorite halo legends short I recently watched it on Netflix and it was great also which ones where retconed
keen canopy
They're all canon except for Odd One Out
Though they all take visual liberties, such as Sangheili having human-like mouths, or Halsey being young/blonde.
My personal favorite is the one with the female Spartan and the ODST squad, forgot what it's called. What was yours?
carmine sleet
Babysitter is the one with the ODST squad
random cradle
The odd one out was wierd and didnāt fit the rest of halo with the super strong kids
carmine sleet
That's why Odd One Out is non-canon
random cradle
Yea the name fits was it originally cannon or did it start out as non cannon
carmine sleet
It was always non-canon
random cradle
Oh ok thanks for the info
terse lava
Duel was my favorite
inner basin
I liked The Prototype, but Babysitter was my favourite
random cradle
The duel was also my favorite
versed helm
The Duel was bad-arse tho
versed helm
Wait really?
unique rune
Yeah, the entire reason Locke and the team of Sedrans head to the shard of Installation 04 is because of a terrorist attack on Sedra involving said element that got traced to the shard.
halcyon remnant
What maps do I need to play to get double XP on reach
little marsh
Wrong Channel @halcyon remnant
carmine sleet
That's not a lore question, Glaxion, and it isn't limited to specific maps
fair hazel
Halsey being blond doesnāt mean itās non canon. Her being younger sure but blond? Hair dyes exist you know
The package is my favourite
terse lava
Package was a good one. Only thing I hated on that was the shield world thick plot armor around chief and blue team
Luck works fine and all, but when you can dodge pulse laser fire and torpedoes from a covenant fleet, and seraph fighters. I draw the line
inner juniper
The Spartan Laser is the most expensive small arm known to be produced by the UNSC. It costs 218,000.00 cR, more than the cost of four fully armed M12 Warthogs, 134 MA5B assault rifles, or over 7,266 M9 fragmentation grenades
hollow meadow
But how many sniper rounds can you buy with that many credits? 
fair hazel
I think its due to the fact they were very close to the ships, making it much easier to dodge
and also, they do have reflexes, those craft are made for spartans
Spartan laser is much less expensive now
unique rune
Probably from Bungie's game info pages
inner basin
It was expensive to manufacture due to them being new technologies at that time. But as time went on they became more developed technologies, which with more research over those years, they are cheaper to manufacture. But thatās just common sense
unique rune
They always had fun little notes on those pages, like remarks from UNSC personnel about the weapon or vehicle in question
inner basin
Exactly. Thatās due to R&D
Not with variations like Seleneās Lance and other variations, but they may cost more
hollow meadow
It got better after Reach
inner basin
I think they are listed on Halopedia. Let me check
hollow meadow
Reach's Spartan Laser had an ungodly charging time and I barely bother with it as opposed to Halo 3's Spartan Laser
inner basin
Yep both Endgame and Seleneās Lance are listed there, and have canon explanations
They do still cost 218,000cR. But here is the link - https://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=M6_Spartan_Laser&useformat=mobile
Scroll down to the variants
Oh most definitely. Seleneās Lance even has Forerunner tech integrated into it
Itāll probably be a decade before that becomes more common for Spartans to use
Also the Autumn-class of ships too
unique rune
Yeah, Infinity's got a Forerunner slipspace drive, if I remember correctly.
inner basin
They use shielding, which may not be Forerunner but they are Covie
unique rune
UNSC's experimented with some Forerunner and Covenant tech as attachments/enhancements for their standard issue weapons as well.
Stuff like Kinetic Bolts and the Hybrid Scope.
They can, it's just that all of it is a bit derived from Covenant shielding systems.
fair hazel
What? Selene lance forerunner tech? What?
inner basin
Yep. On Halopedia it says āIt is also equipped with a Forerunner anti-materiĆ©l effectā. Which essentially disintegrates people like said above
fair hazel
no, in game the full beam causes damage
i mean disintegration
and the spartan laser costs went down by an order of magnitude
"The E ("Enhanced") model M6 high-energy laser is just as capable as earlier examples, but is an order of magnitude cheaper to manufacture. "
weapon variants are canon
they have small bits of story too
they're canon
why would you even get the impression they're not?
gilded mason
Yep. On Halopedia it says āIt is also equipped with a Forerunner anti-materiĆ©l effectā.
Regarding that, that's what the Halopedia writer wrote, not what the Req Card itself says. Just to clarify that Halo 5 didn't explicitly say it uses Forerunner stuff.
fair hazel
and its on the about in war games
it's just saying it desintegrates stuff in war games like scattershot and so on do, like uses that same visual effect
unique rune
I mean, it's burst fire compared to a typical M6's semi-auto.
fair hazel
it's a silenced magnum that fires 3 round bursts.
It exists somewhere.
what do you mean
unique rune
Jiralhanae don't particularly care
fair hazel
besides it's a grenade, not a, it goes everywhere weapon
unique rune
The only disappointment about incendiary grenades for them is that their caesium content makes it impossible to eat their victims afterward
fair hazel
why?
unique rune
For Brutes I'm sure it's more about the psychological effect it can have
fair hazel
you throw it, and the area becomes super hot in that place, fire fire, denying that area too
plasma wepaonry burns through flood..
also gameplay
unique rune
Plasma burns through most armor pretty easily.
Without shielding, it should go through pretty cleanly.
Stuff's hot.
gilded mason
Ye
terse lava
Yeah if the games were accurate flood forms would be dropping from 1 to 4 shots from a plasma Rifle
inner basin
Games are inaccurate to the lore pretty much is the moral of todayās discussion
It seems thatās been a couple days in a row
terse lava
I thi k she always had black hair, at least.according to.a flashback.keyes had during the proto gravemind leeching off him
gilded mason
Dark brown hair in CD, from what it looks like
fair hazel
She had blond ha8r in CEA terminal
gilded mason
Looks more brown there
keen canopy
Like I said the animators were allowed to take visual liberties. Halsey appearing blonde is the same as the Sangheili having human-like mouths IMO.
feral perch
the latter's a travesty tho
keen canopy
The Sangheili mouths or the hair?
keen canopy
They edited in the "latter" slipstream.
terse lava
To be honest they can probably move their mandibles the same way there are depicted in the dual
keen canopy
Anyhow it would have taken sooo much effort to correctly depict Sangheili mouths in that artstyle.
feral perch
it would have been worth it
carmine sleet
The artstyle wouldn't prevent them from depicting accurate mouths. It was a stylistic choice to try and humanise characters more
gilded mason
Gross
hollow meadow
Oh I remember that one episode of Halo Legends. They gave the female Sangheili a human mouth and it looks so off-putting
terse lava
Agreed
feral perch
She was very unappealing as a faithful depiction of female Sangheili
terse lava
But fall and the others? Could see it
keen canopy
That was one of the first depictions of a female Sangheili no?
carmine sleet
It was
keen canopy
Maybe the first even
feral perch
It should have been obvious that they wouldn't have humanoid mouths
keen canopy
So they didn't exactly have much to go on.
feral perch
Bad advice galore, then.
keen canopy
Nah like I said, artistic liberty
feral perch
I dislike the art then
hollow meadow
At least future female Sangheili depictions looked a lot more realistic
keen canopy
The visuals aren't really intended to be definitive.
gilded mason
So they didn't exactly have much to go on.
They could have just asked. But then again, they apparently hated the idea of making an older-looking Halsey and kept telling 343 they wouldn't do it.
carmine sleet
I wouldn't have used the word realistic, Trev, given that we're talking about a completely fictional race and Halo isn't the most realistic franchise at times
I'd say depicting female Elites with mandibles like males is making them more consistent with what we already know about Elites
gilded mason
Yeah
hollow meadow
Eh, fair
terse lava
Yep
hollow meadow
I'm not exactly the sharpest sword in the armory
terse lava
Speaking of Halo legends, Kind of surprise we have never seen anything more about the Mega sized hunters
keen canopy
I don't like that the visuals weren't perfect either, but the whole Legends project was more about telling stories through a new medium. 343 have continued to treat the stories as canon while disregarding any problematic visuals.
hollow meadow
It would be nice to have a remake of each of the Halo Legends episodes, perhaps get a proper animation studio behind it
feral perch
@carmine sleet ageism, eh? lol
feral perch
older-looking
They would rather have a young and beautiful Halsey
weird fan-service I guess.
hollow meadow
I meant like... one studio. Not have it be a big collab project
I'll just hush down
keen canopy
It's an anime, they needed the captive to be pretty.
feral perch
oh boi
carmine sleet
Ok, you have me confused now, StoneWall, when did I mention Halsey?
hollow meadow
I seem to not be the best with words it seems
gilded mason
I think he meant to tag me?
carmine sleet
Ah, I see. No worries
feral perch
Yeah, Ostral.
keen canopy
While all the stories save one are consideredĀ canon, O'Connor noted that some discrepancies were the cause of artistic interpretation.
@hollow meadow In case you didn't know, each studio worked directly with 343. Legends isn't a cohesive project, it's a collection of different stories that are basically unrelated
hollow meadow
Yeah, seems fair. Plus a vast majority of them seem to be pre-war and one of them is just a DragonBall parody
keen canopy
Yep that one was made by the studio that made dragonball
Pretty cool for fans of both
And lets be honest, a serious, canon halo short story in that artstyle might have been a bit silly anyway
Better to just let them do what they do best
terse lava
Odd onenoutndid give us my favorite version of truth though
brisk swift
does armor questions go here?
gilded mason
If they're lore-related questions