#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 269

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 3:39 AM

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They're probably too busy worrying about not getting killed or otherwise abused for that.

bold frost Dec 17, 2019, 4:24 AM

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Yo

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So

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Destiny 2 anyone?

vestal onyx Dec 17, 2019, 4:25 AM

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get out calyx

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 5:44 AM

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#471747516258320385 could be good for that

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@versed helm i do not believe they have given any lekgolo that type of role, but we do see The Hunter Captain in HW2 for The Banished

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but i could be mistaken, not super caught up on the lekgolo really

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 6:03 AM

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I don’t recall any being in particular positions of authority.

There was a pair assigned as essentially bodyguards for a Sangheili shipmaster, though they didn’t object to one of his subordinates killing him because he was part of the nutty Covenant sect that thought the Flood should be worshipped and welcomed aboard their ship.

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And then there’s also Colony from HW2... but the Banished isn’t really the Covenant.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 6:05 AM

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And then there’s also Colony from HW2... but the Banished isn’t really the Covenant.

Yes, i was just showing an example of a Lekgolo in charge.

fiery sierra Dec 17, 2019, 9:56 AM

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What did the Primordial have against humans and why?

broken solstice Dec 17, 2019, 10:37 AM

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@median lichen Spartan IIIs are mostly vengeful orphans with a grudge against the Covenant, unlike the kidnapped children that were Spartan IIs. They received less augmentation and engineering than IIs so were cheaper, and were mostly sent on suicide missions. They were weaker more expendable Spartan-IIs, basically

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:38 AM

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no.

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they received the same augmentations, but heavily improved

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they were vastly superior to the S-II, but due to the quantity it wasn't feasible to give them all MJOLNIR, so they had SPI

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since they were viewed as expendable

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S-IV are the ones that have less augmentations

broken solstice Dec 17, 2019, 10:39 AM

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My mistake then. My specialty is Covenant and Forerunners, not really humans

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:39 AM

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S-I > S-IV > S-II > S-III > S-IIIG

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the G represents Gamma Company

broken solstice Dec 17, 2019, 10:40 AM

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@fiery sierra We don't really know. The Primordial on one hand says that it wants all life to suffer as the Precursors did, for the created to know their creators to the fullest extent, but on the other hand it also mentions that it is there to test humanity, to see if they are worthy of the Mantle like the Precursors deemed millions of years ago

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:40 AM

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the primordial didn't really have much against humans iirc

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he simply despised the forerunners for what they did

broken solstice Dec 17, 2019, 10:40 AM

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The Primordial isn't meant to be understandable, it's intentionally written to contradict itself

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The Iso-Didact couldn't really comprehend what it knew and what it thought, and he was aware of this fact

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:41 AM

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that's a bit of lore grey-area

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cause it's not confirmed, nor inherently denied that the flood takes longer to infect them

broken solstice Dec 17, 2019, 10:42 AM

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Supposedly it's because of augments to their nervous system that made their nervous systems more "erratic" and therefore difficult for the Flood to assimilate with. I don't think they're any less infectable though, the Primordial / Gravemind in the books said that it can infect anything

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:43 AM

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No, bungie confirmed that the nervous system mucked up nonsense was fake, Johsnon survived due to skill

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they did not

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Hmmm, I remembered reading somewhere that they did, lemme check

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there was also an interview with some of the team that also kinda shied away from the topic and dismissed it

broken solstice Dec 17, 2019, 10:44 AM

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The Forerunners literally went as far as digitizing their own consciousnesses to escape Flood infection, only to find that the Flood infects them on a metaphysical level. If it was as easy as "scramble your spine a bit", I think the Forerunners would've figured that out

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 10:46 AM

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But yea, johnson wasn't a spartan 1, but he was part of the orion project. All the spartan 1's died. So Johnson must be a breakthrough for spartan 2's maybe.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:46 AM

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Orion WAS the spartan 1 project

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it was the project's official name

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 10:47 AM

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But nowhere does it mention he was a spartan 1, and it states the 5 spartan 1's died within the year (due to undisclosed reasons).

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:47 AM

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there were 300 members in the ORION Project

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 10:48 AM

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The project funded 300 applicants, there were 5 spartans.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:48 AM

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Project ASTER, which was the second attempt, was known as the Spartan Program

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e.g. Spartan-2

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Dullahan, I found some proof by Joseph Staten about how Sgt Johnson survived, it states that he survived due to skill

winged kayak Dec 17, 2019, 10:49 AM

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wait wait but i thought it was still called orion when Halsey joined

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:49 AM

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Sergeant Major Avery Johnson
Gunnery Sergeant Gladys Wilson
Gilly
James Lee (later James James)
Morales
ORION candidate 047

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Sgt Johnson was a Spartan-I

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and no, I don't recall them all being dead

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some retired,

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a few had children

broken solstice Dec 17, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Every ORION operative is a Spartan-I, the entire Project ORION was renamed to Spartan-I program after the success of the Spartan-II program. So all 165 surviving members, including Johnson, are technically Spartan-Is

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Can I post a link to that interview by Staten about Johnson surviving due to skill

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yes

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https://www.halopedia.org/Spartan_1.1

Halopedia

Spartan 1.1

"Spartan 1.1." is an unofficial designation given to the children of the Spartan-Is. While born ordinary, it is suspected that they are subjected to numerous augmentations at infancy. Although they were not as advanced as the cybernetically- and surgically-enhanced Spartan-II...

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there's also these

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http://halostory.bungie.org/staten102204.html

Johnson's supposed biological immunity to the Flood as a result of Boren's Syndrome was originally presented as factual in the novel Halo: First Strike. As stated by Joseph Staten here, Bungie disliked the notion of a Flood immunity and established the disease as being fictitious on page 122 of the Halo Graphic Novel. As stated in the introduction to Breaking Quarantine, the comic was intended to further cement Bungie's original vision for Johnson's escape from the Flood. The comic indicates that he simply fought his way out of the containment facility and did not suffer lacerations which would expose him to Flood infection in the process.

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there it is.

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 10:51 AM

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"The project failed due to poor results and lack of funds and the five test subjects were reintegrated into active duty, but would die within the year from undisclosed causes"

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:51 AM

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that's what I referenced earlier but, honestly, didn't feel like looking for.

broken solstice Dec 17, 2019, 10:51 AM

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i love bees's canonicity is questionable IIRC

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:52 AM

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Johnson was active for something like 30 years?

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I mean, it clearly states that Nobody is immune from the flood and the only reason Johnson survived is due to skill

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he definitely didn't die within the year

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 10:52 AM

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That's why im saying he's not a spartan.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:52 AM

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he is. this isn't even a point of debate

broken solstice Dec 17, 2019, 10:52 AM

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@versed helm This is even established by 343, the Primordial / Gravemind tells a Forerunner in the Forerunner books that Flood immunity is impossible, it chooses to infect anyone it wants

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:52 AM

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you're arguing against set canon

rustic canyon Dec 17, 2019, 10:53 AM

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no but he is from orion which was the proto spartans. that first attempt

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:53 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/ORION_Project

Halopedia

ORION Project

The ORION Project was the UNSC Navy's first effort to create a special forces unit of biochemically augmented supersoldiers. Under the operational control of Naval Special Warfare Group One, the project was created to combat the growing Insurrection throughout the human Outer...

rustic canyon Dec 17, 2019, 10:53 AM

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unless they changed it to spartan 1's

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:53 AM

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all of the orion operatives were augmented

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 10:53 AM

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@versed helm That's actually what im reading to reference this.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:53 AM

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Johnson included

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The major difference between Orion-Spartan-1 is that they were adults when enlisted and didnt have suuits of armor

rustic canyon Dec 17, 2019, 10:54 AM

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yeah and the flood chose to not infect humanity as I recall to make it seem like there was an immunity

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:54 AM

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you're likely confusing the "were dead within a year" as an ONI report

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they didn't just die

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 10:54 AM

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Read the Origin section

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:54 AM

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By the time it was shut down, the ORION program had 165 surviving participants

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but 5 named

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The beginning of the ORION program (named for the Orion Arm of the Milky Way[9]) dates back to the 23rd century, when the newly formed United Nations Space Command began developing bioengineering protocols and experimenting with biochemically altering human soldiers. Led by Doctor Ritsa Shephard, the ORION Project began as an extension of the "blue sky" projects commissioned by the UEG before the Domus Diaspora.[12] Although these performance-enhancing substances were very primitive and nowhere near as effective as the chemicals used to augment the soldiers of the SPARTAN programs, they did show promise and gave results and serve as the catalyst for future endeavors. Since then, human soldiers have used performance-enhancing equipment for centuries, including adrenaline injections.[13]```

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the entire paragraph of "Origins"

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 10:55 AM

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Oh I assumed that was the spartan 2 section. (the relaunch)

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:55 AM

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only 30-40 Spartan-II's survived the augmentation process

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if we include washouts that is

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Almost all survived, they were put into perma cryosleep

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no, not quite

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there were 75 Candidates

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a bit over half survived

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ORION = Spartan-I
ASTER = Spartan-II
CHRYSANTHEMUM = Spartan-III
ORCHID = Spartan-IV

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Right, so there were indeed 165 spartan 1's. I skimmed over the entire paragraph assuming the "relaunch of Orion" was the spartan 2's. my bad

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Oh yeah sorry, 30 died, 33 became full soldiers, 12 were put into cryosleep

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Osiris is a fireteam

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you meant ORION lol

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 10:59 AM

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Yes Orion

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:59 AM

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the other 12 weren't necessarily stuck into cryo permanently

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 10:59 AM

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My brain is scrambled atm, I had no idea there was an active spartan 1 team. There was an entire chunk of lore missing from my brain this entire time.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:59 AM

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Fhajad is ONI intelligence

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Yes, the Head of ONI was a wash out, some were brought back

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he's an analyst, not the head lol

broken solstice Dec 17, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Head of ONI, Serin Osman, is a Spartan-II washout, not ORION

mellow flame Dec 17, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Now I just want to see spartan 1's in action (outside of johnson)

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 11:00 AM

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yeah.

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Osman is a S-II washout

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Serves as Commander-in-Chief of the Office of Naval Intelligence as of September 2558.[70] - Serin, Osman is some fake name he kept for himself because his surname was a pincode

gaunt oakBOT Dec 17, 2019, 11:01 AM

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@fiery sierra has been auto muted.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 11:02 AM

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oof. likely a 30min mute. but yeah. reminder that profanity's against #471730170768654352

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What do ya think has happened of Halseys cloned brains?
Do you think they'll come back in Infinite

lunar condor Dec 17, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Afaik the only one that survived became cortana

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Nobody knows what happend to the others

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Halsey refused to state what happened to the crew of Infinity after the Created

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 11:50 AM

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No Spartans gave info to the Covenant

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No betrayals where they sold anyone out to the Covenant. There was one Spartan who did escape and never get found though, being Soren-066 but as far as we know, he never went near the Covenant since he disappeared long before the UNSC knew of the Covenant

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He was defecting to the Insurrection

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Or at least attempted to anyway

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Soren was one of the few that were crippled when augmented and he grew disillusioned with the UNSC

broken solstice Dec 17, 2019, 12:19 PM

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A Spartan-IV became an Insurrectionist, but none to the Covenant, no

tepid lynx Dec 17, 2019, 12:22 PM

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@broken solstice one or two probably

rustic canyon Dec 17, 2019, 12:54 PM

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was that the proto spartan 4 woman from the Initiation comic

rocky onyx Dec 17, 2019, 1:14 PM

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thinkingchief got some halo books about an invasion on Meridian , my name is Owen, the Spartans name is Owen his armor color is blue my favorite color is blue

simple locust Dec 17, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Rain forest

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W_a_r_s

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What vehicles and tanks were used in the Rain forest W_a_r_s?

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 2:15 PM

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The rainy vicheles and tanks

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 2:34 PM

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@rocky onyx Time travelling leads to many consequences, bro/sis

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Yes, but we don't know any details of what Six did on any operations he went on. Mainly because the idea was that we'd make up what Six has done because we were meant to project ourselves onto the character

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 3:45 PM

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No idea

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For all we know, Six could've went on a space adventure with a unicorn and a duck during his classified operations

rustic canyon Dec 17, 2019, 3:54 PM

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well from what they said and few things of lore. Lone Wolves were usually a designation within the headhunters

daring compass Dec 17, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Skirmishers were 100% wiped out after Reach right?

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 4:49 PM

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No

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 4:54 PM

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No. Not at all. Nope nope. No.

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 4:55 PM

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I recall someone else saying something similar recently too. I don't get why people think that all the Skirmishers were on Reach when it fell

daring compass Dec 17, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Hang on let me do some research give me 10/15 mins

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 4:56 PM

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You want 0.66666 minutes?

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I believe some far fetched explanation bungle gave.

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 4:58 PM

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40 seconds also works as an equivalent unit of measurement

daring compass Dec 17, 2019, 5:07 PM

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@fair hazel some of it yea a off the cuff version of some interview in 2010 (Jesus 9 years old) from game reactor

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Told you

daring compass Dec 17, 2019, 5:08 PM

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saying they went extinct during the battle on Reach

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Yeah. In Halo:Evolutions, we read about a headhunter two man team that gets ganged up on by a whole elite squad. That happens after Reach

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The fate of the headhunters is a bit blurry after Reach, though.

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Like, that's the only mention I find in around 12 books

daring compass Dec 17, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Hang on found something @fair hazel from 2014 Halo escalation 2 & 3 that was Tek a Skrimisher who had his own military forces

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 5:15 PM

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I know about tek

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There’s multiple skirmishes who appear in many stories

fervent crow Dec 17, 2019, 5:42 PM

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I feel like II’s were, because weren’t the III’s made for backline assassinations and suicide missions that couldn’t be done by the marines?

main rivet Dec 17, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Chol Von notably appears in Mortal Dictata.

daring compass Dec 17, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Well other than Master chief the only other who had Hyper Lethal Vector designation was Six (I'm sure he/she was a spartan 3). Armour also was very different most of them were using Spy. If you were talking about the drugs or augmentations that is a toss up on perspective really

main rivet Dec 17, 2019, 5:47 PM

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The whole “they got killed off at Reach” bit was just hand waving why we didn’t see them in the other games.

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(To this day though I have no idea why they even made them. You could have just had more mobile Jackals.)

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 6:04 PM

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IIIs and IIs were on par, largest difference was the armor given to each set of Spartan's, the IIs getting MJOLNIR, and the IIIs getting SPI, which is significantly worse

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Nope.

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The augmentation methods and levels were different

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so was the type of training

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i should of clarified i meant augmentations

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augmentations were more or less the same

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no gigantic differences like the IVs

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They were

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The IIIs didnt recieve all the bioenhancements the IIs did

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Neither was the selection process as stringent

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IIIs had more chemical, than bio

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Yeah

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Like the aggression inducing hormone

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But, lore wise, out of all the programs, the IIs are the closest to the envisioned image of a SPARTAN

shut cipher Dec 17, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Im trying to start a group to huny for more secrets in discover hope trailer

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 6:23 PM

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The selection process for candidates was pretty much only to minimize augmentation failures.

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Seems like from this passage, SIII augments were just as effective, perhaps more.


Kurt balled his hands into fists, remembering the pain of the bone graftslike glass breaking inside his marrow, and the fire that had burned along every nerve as they had been reengineered for enhanced speed.

As he read he started to grasp the opportunities and challenges of this new program. The new bioaugmentations were a quantum leap ahead of those he had received. There were lower projected wash-out rates. There was, however, only a fraction of the original SPARTAN program training time and budget. MJOLNIR armor was to be replaced with something called Semi-Powered Infiltration (SPI) armor systems.

"With these new candidates," Kurt said, "you're trying to do more with less."```

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Spartan-III didn't need to be as strict with candidates because CHRYSANTHEMUM was far less risky.

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And even with their "more perfect" genetics, half of the individuals selected for Spartan-II were killed or crippled by the procedures.

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 6:37 PM

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A metric truck ton of the procedures were experimental which certainly didn't help.

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Man, almost forgot how much went into the 3s

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 6:57 PM

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@versed helm Pretty sure the events of the short story, Headhunters, takes place before the Covenant finds Reach

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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@carmine sleet Could be. its been time since i read halo lore

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@agile dragon @unique rune @gilded mason Ghosts of Onyx. The augmentations still arent that effective. All the S-III Alphas get wiped on their first mission. Only 2 Betas survive theirs. And I cant say about Gamma, because everything went to heck.

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Wasn't that on a covenant plasma factory planet?

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Yup

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Two survivors from a mission that helped to save humanity that barely anyone will ever know about

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Welcome to ONI

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 7:20 PM

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All the S-III Alphas get wiped on their first mission.
Because the "Covenant had sent in a massive army from orbit. The Spartans were cut off from their extraction craft, which caused the death of all of them."

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According to Halopedia

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Just because they were wiped out, doesn't mean their augmentations are bad @versed helm

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Two of them jumped into the water iirc

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Yeah...

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Its been a few years XD

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:21 PM

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@carmine sleet S-IIs go through the same thing. Same age.

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Torpedo and Prometheus were really high-risk

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:21 PM

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@versed helm Not that much. Like, the S-IIs would win

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 7:21 PM

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That's spartan 4s no?

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:21 PM

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A bit older, yeah.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Yeah

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the IVs are adult volunteers

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 7:21 PM

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3s are children again no?

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:21 PM

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@versed helm whatever.

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@agile dragon yup

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 7:22 PM

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just with a wider pool of candidates

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:22 PM

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They were children, but had a slightly greater age range than Spartan-II

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:22 PM

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@versed helm remove the armour. only the humans themselves

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 7:23 PM

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"I thought IIIs age range was older than IIs?" Does not make sense

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:23 PM

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but the IIs are better trained overall

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Except they aren’t

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:23 PM

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say what now?

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Spartan-IIIs were trained by a Spartan-II

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 7:24 PM

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The aggression drugs would have made them more impulsive iirc, not so great for stealth

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Yeah

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Not just an S-II, but also the man who trained the S-IIs

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Kurt trained all S-IIs

agile dragon Dec 17, 2019, 7:24 PM

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aah

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Yeah.

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But the S-IIs had better resources

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Not really

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Pretty sure having an entire planet for training soldiers is far better than what the S-IIs had for training

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Spartan-III was built on experience from Spartan-II

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:25 PM

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@carmine sleet Major parts of Onyx were no go zones.

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:25 PM

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They still had an entire planet

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:26 PM

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No. They had PART of a planet

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:26 PM

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It meant that they didn't have to worry about allot of issues you'd potentially run into while training on Reach

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:27 PM

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And the S-IIs had better training regimes as compared to the S-IIIs

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YEah

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Mendez couldnt go plus ultra cause of Kurt

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:27 PM

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That sounds... incorrect.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:28 PM

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yeah

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Pretty sure Kurt wanted Mendez to go all out on their training

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:28 PM

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But they didnt

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Eternal Winter hinderd them

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Kurt actually went so hard that the AI assigned to them was concerned, I think?

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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yeah

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i think it was deep winter

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he was

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the ai raised red flags against his new augmentations

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Those augments were only for the gammas

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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yep

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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That doesn't mean they weren't trained as well as IIs

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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the extra aggressions

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they werent

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not enough time

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:30 PM

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The AI put up flags but couldn’t do anything to stop 051, so...

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Weren't all the S-III companies deployed when they were ready?

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:30 PM

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look at the excerpt @gilded mason put in earlier

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only a fraction of the time

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Though I think because of that, Kurt replaced general education with only things that would actually help them in the war.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:32 PM

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it didnt help for a missing halsey

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 7:32 PM

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They didn't really need Halsey at that point.

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Halsey was only really a necessary part of Spartan-II for developing the augmentations and armor

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Halsey wasn't missing when the S-IIIs were being trained

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:33 PM

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@unique rune what else is a spartan?

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:33 PM

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I mean.

They had all they needed from Halsey with the conclusion of Spartan-II.

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Augmentation process had been developed and refined, armor was fully functional and ready for manufacturing and deployment.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:34 PM

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The S-IIIs still werent as effective as the S-IIs

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taking the covenant attacks and espionage

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yeah

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agreed

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wort else?

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:35 PM

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The only real disadvantage the S-IIIs have is that they were given SPI, even then, what it lacked in boosting the user's strength, and later, lacked energy shields, it more than made up for that with how good at stealth it was

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:35 PM

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fair enough

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idk bout that

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Pretty sure they did.

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Memory isn’t 100% but I think Roland and Jonah had shielded SPI.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:36 PM

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yeah

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NO

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NO WAY

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....

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oh yeah

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Beta Company, candidate 312

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:37 PM

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yeah....

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wait. does reach occur after the onyx events?

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im pretty sure they dont

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canonically, its the first

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yeah

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:39 PM

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HW1

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2531, IIRC

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Some events in Ghosts of Onyx happen before Reach falls, other events happen after Reach falls

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:39 PM

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oh

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i forgot HW

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dan

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been time since i played HW2

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yeah

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:41 PM

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In some aspects, they're better than the S-IIs

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Wait

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Blue team bombs the Unyielding Heriophant

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Yes. Blue Team does destroy the Uneven Elephant

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But in theory, a team of S-IIIs could've also pulled off that op

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Thats espionage right there

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then there's their first mission

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and the events of silent storm

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Both the S-IIs and S-IIIs are skilled at espionage

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:43 PM

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That is true

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Heck, I think many people forget that the S-II Program wasn't created to make frontline soldiers, they're commandos

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:44 PM

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the S-IIIs have a greater affinity towrads stealth

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bruh, they're one man armadas

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:44 PM

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I doubt a single Spartan could take out an entire armada

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:44 PM

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depends on the armada

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and chief does

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:45 PM

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It's hardly an armada if a single person wipes it out

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:45 PM

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installation 04

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the covies guarding the pillar

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im talking about the book

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the covies and the flood and guilty spark

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:46 PM

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The Flood and Covenant aren't considered a single armada

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:46 PM

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they were both out to kill him

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Ok, but that doesn't make them an armada

vestal onyx Dec 17, 2019, 7:46 PM

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does a carrier count as an armada cuz its carrying ships

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:47 PM

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I... I don't think he took out an armada.
He set off the Autumn's reactors which would have killed any Covenant or Flood on the ring when it went.

But there was still a fairly sizeable Covenant presence in the surrounding space.

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:47 PM

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How many Covie ships were there at 04?

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:47 PM

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there was the truth

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thats it

vestal onyx Dec 17, 2019, 7:47 PM

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if he got his hands on the right weapon then yea

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:47 PM

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I recall at least three ships being at 04 that were named

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Just the Truth and Reconciliation?
No.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:47 PM

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if they're made of wood like the spanish armada? yeah

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@carmine sleet the truth and recon

vestal onyx Dec 17, 2019, 7:48 PM

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if he had like a supercharged mac gun that one shots ships then yea he could do it anyone could

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:48 PM

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The Fleet of Particular Justice, under 'Vadamee's command was there.

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:48 PM

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That sounds like more than a single ship

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Infinite Succor, Seeker of Truth, numerous other cruisers...

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:48 PM

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didnt it get there during halo going boom?

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:48 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/5/50/H2A-AlphaHaloDiscovery.jpg

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:48 PM

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cause vadamee himself doesnt get on the ring

vestal onyx Dec 17, 2019, 7:49 PM

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well in a way the leader of an entire fleet was essentially killed and a new arbiter took their place so

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:49 PM

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like, only one official cruiser is mentioned in the book and the game

vestal onyx Dec 17, 2019, 7:50 PM

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guess you could say he kinda screwed over the covenant when they lost their best commander

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:50 PM

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the rest are...what are they called....phantoms, i think

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 7:50 PM

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well in a way the leader of an entire fleet was essentially killed and a new arbiter took their place so
What?

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:50 PM

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@vestal onyx that happened in HW

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not ce

vestal onyx Dec 17, 2019, 7:51 PM

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@gilded mason nothing goes over your head

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 7:51 PM

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🤔

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:51 PM

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forge kills the old arbiter in HW

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and vadamee gets appointed at the beginning of HW 2

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WAI

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TYPO

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halo 2

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whew

vestal onyx Dec 17, 2019, 7:52 PM

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they had us in the first half not gonna lie

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:52 PM

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XD

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i had me in the first half too

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 7:53 PM

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...He mispoke

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He literally said that right afterwards

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:54 PM

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bruh

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Phantoms are dropships, Pacino

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:55 PM

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im not talking about the u boats

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ahhhh....the ones im talking about werent there in ce

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oh well

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Only one ship is ever explicitly named in CE, sure, but Cortana explicitly mentions that they were being approached by multiple CCS battlegroups, stated to have three capital ships each, as well as destroying four other ships and disabling the Truth and Reconciliation.

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Thel 'Vadumee was appointed Arbiter 22 YEARS after Ripa 'Moramee died

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He wasn't replacing him.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:57 PM

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He replaced a dead Ripa

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basically

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Not really

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They had different roles too

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Arbiters are appointed for specific roles

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 7:58 PM

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no, both were appointed as glorified sacrifice

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Ripa was tasked with exterminating Humanity. Thel was tasked with killing Sesa and his heretics.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:00 PM

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I legit remember Regret saying "The Council shall have their corpse" to vadamee when they appointed him

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Yea of course

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 8:00 PM

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I mean, yeah, they did say that.

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:01 PM

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All Arbiters are expected to die fulfilling their duties

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That's the entire point

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:01 PM

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its a role meant for shamed sangheli

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:01 PM

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The Prophets take care of a problem, and simultaneously remove a power figure from the Sangheili ranks

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:02 PM

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yup

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the wattle necked weebs

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:02 PM

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It's not really about Shame in reality

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As Guilty Spark pointed out

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 8:03 PM

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On a surface level it appears to be about redeeming failures, but in reality it's just a way for the Prophets to maintain their hold on power.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:03 PM

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it is. the arbiters were purposefully given uber dangerous missions

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like making friends with the leke

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curbing the ungoyy

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killing chief

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Yea we know

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But you should go watch the H2A Terminals

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And find out what the whole Arbiter thing is really about

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:06 PM

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i have

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far too many times

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Then you should know it's the other way around

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Arbiters weren't intentionally given dangerous missions

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They were made Arbiters specifically because those problems arose

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:07 PM

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they were a figurehead of sorts

rigid sundial Dec 17, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Halo legends was cannon, right?

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:09 PM

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The events, but not the visuals

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:09 PM

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mhm

rigid sundial Dec 17, 2019, 8:09 PM

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alright, thanks dude

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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canon

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Except for Odd One Out, which was entirely non-conon

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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odd one out

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not canon

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Beat ya to it

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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I realized that

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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lol

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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heh

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Killing John isnt a mission an arbiter was sent to

stable cedar Dec 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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So to put ut in perspective, the arbiter used to be a great position, but then the prophets use it as a redeeming point for shamed sangheili because they failed tremendously. Ripa being too aggressive and Thel failing to stop the destruction of 04. The arbiter in the covenant was not expected to live with their missions but they arose because of those specific suicidal missions. So if they died in the process, it wouldnt matter because they were disgraced. Just throwing that out there. The arbiter is like the spy in stratego, can kill everyone but going anywhere is suicidal.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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@fair hazel it was part of it later on

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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"Incredible! And in all this time it never occurred to you how convenient it was that your Prophets were able to find a powerful capable leader among your people..."
...who happened to suddenly commit a terrible blasphemy every time the power structure of your Covenant was threatened?"

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Arbiters were made into something else and the prophets started using them as a way of getting rid of dangerous people.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:12 PM

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before the prophets got high on bull

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:12 PM

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No, the arbiter was sent to destroy the heretics, he came back, then he was sent to retrieve the sacred icon

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:12 PM

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and picked brutes over elites

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Nope

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:12 PM

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the .......watchamacallit

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THE INDEX

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Thel got sent on two missions and then was betrayed

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Neither of those were anything to do with John

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:13 PM

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He was meant to die, he didn't, so Tartarus tried to finish him off.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:13 PM

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but got teamed up on

stable cedar Dec 17, 2019, 8:13 PM

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And something to notice. Tartarus was sent to kill him because he knew too much and what the index wpuld do 😎

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:14 PM

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yeah

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:14 PM

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Not really, Tartarus was just sent to retrieve the Index

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:14 PM

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thel had a nice chat with spark

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:14 PM

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They didn't expect Thel to survive

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Thel's survived a lot

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Tartarus was sent to kill him because he knew too much and what the index wpuld do
Are you talking about Thel knowing what the Index did? Because he didn't.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:15 PM

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he kinda did.

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Spark told him

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Spark couldn't tell him anything

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:15 PM

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but not fully

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Sesa attacked too early

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:15 PM

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He hadn't spoken to Spark yet apart from one sentence

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Thel was always meant to die.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:16 PM

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but i remember them having a chat

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:16 PM

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"I'd be happy to explai-"
And that's basically all that was said.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:16 PM

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huh

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:16 PM

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There was no, knowing too much, at that point

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 8:16 PM

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They had a chat that mostly consisted of banter before Sesa opened fire

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:17 PM

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And after, Thel was just ranting to Spark before Spark got vacuumed up by Tartar

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:17 PM

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a lot of people seem to infer lots of convos and stuff when actually almost no one really speaks to one another, lol. H3 for example.

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"Worse"

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:17 PM

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i cri

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:17 PM

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H3 has lots of banter in it

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:18 PM

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People seem to think John and Thel talk to each other a lot or something but they don't.

stable cedar Dec 17, 2019, 8:18 PM

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A lot is implied. If you happen across multiple instances of being kept from certain information, youd assume too that something is up would you not?

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:18 PM

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yup

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:18 PM

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You're underestimating how Zealous Thel is

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:18 PM

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He had other things to worry about. And it was only twice in a short time span.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:18 PM

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how zealous he was

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:19 PM

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A lot is implied? Arbiter was still a believer when the gravemind was talking to him.

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:19 PM

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^^^

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:19 PM

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What does a lot is implied mean

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I feel like people have lots of misconceptions.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:19 PM

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thel had doubts since he met sasan

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Arguably he still is a believer, most Sangheili still consider the Forerunners gods.

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:20 PM

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most? a number but an unknown number

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:20 PM

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no. he has legit stopped believing in them

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:20 PM

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@versed helm that's headcannon and nothing more

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:20 PM

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And thel? no

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:20 PM

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it was jul who headed that bit

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jul mdamma

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:20 PM

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Jul didn't even believe

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:20 PM

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well, not in the same way they were considered under the Covenant, but we have a few examples, IIRC.

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:20 PM

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RIP

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:21 PM

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He doesn't believe forerunners are gods.

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Jul doesn't, no

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:21 PM

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he believed in the didact, i think

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Arguably he still is a believer, most Sangheili still consider the Forerunners gods.```
Think it was mentioned that Thel doesn't anymore

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he believed in the didact, i think
Jul believed that the Didact exists

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:21 PM

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I haven't come across that info, but I trust you and so shall take your word for it.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:21 PM

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a bit more than that.

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:21 PM

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I believe in bananas

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:22 PM

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he started calling himself the didacts right arm

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:22 PM

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but I trust you and so shall take your word for it.
👍

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:22 PM

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or something like that

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:22 PM

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Didact's Hand

unique rune Dec 17, 2019, 8:22 PM

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Jul recognizes that the Forerunners were powerful, and wanted to use that to put himself in an advantageous position in the post-War environment.

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But anything resembling religious belief was all just posturing to convince his followers

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 8:22 PM

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Yup

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:22 PM

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ah

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 8:23 PM

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his covenant followers are zealous believers, BUT he does not believe himself, in a way he manipulates his own faction.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:23 PM

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i is atheist, so dont really know the intricasies of religion

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Just like the late stage Covenant

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Referring to what erick said

carmine sleet Dec 17, 2019, 8:23 PM

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You don't need to be religious to understand the intricacies of religion

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:24 PM

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The Prophets still believed.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:24 PM

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idk about that

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the prophets were like the pope

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but they had a pretty messed up reason to believe

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:25 PM

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@stoic hamlet Well Truth, in some manner, knew what he was promising wasn't the exact Truth. He promised Salvation for all, what he really meant was Salvation for those who follow me to the Ark

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:25 PM

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and even those guys got rekt

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:25 PM

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but he did still believe.

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:26 PM

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True

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:26 PM

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he knew he wasn't saying the whole truth, but he was still devout.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:26 PM

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he was devout to HIS version of the truth

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:27 PM

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well, no

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:27 PM

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yes

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:27 PM

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he still believed in the forerunners as gods, whether he believed in his version or the other version is irrelevant.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:28 PM

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his interpretation of their will was messed up

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:28 PM

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He also believed the Forerunners all went on a Great Journey due to mistranslating a message from the IsoDidact.

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And not that they died.

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:28 PM

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the entire Covenant believed that.

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that's what I mean

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 8:29 PM

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wait. what message does bornstellar leave?

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Truth was still devout to the primary Covenant religion.

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he didn't change who or what he believed in.

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only his interpretation of it.

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Yea I was reinforcing your point^

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 8:30 PM

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ah, I misunderstood, my b

keen canopy Dec 17, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Smh why is there no assist medal emoji here

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 8:52 PM

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@versed helm in one of the halo 3 terminals, a message from the didact(bornstellar in this case) to the librarian, comments on how he will burn away the flood in her name with the rings. Then he commenta he and the other forerunners will go on their great journey(exile). Also A century after the rings fired, during the reseeding, the san shyuum were the last lifeforms to be returned to their homeworld. During their.time there, they overheard the forerunners also talking of their great journey.

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As for truth, he had convinced himself that humanity were forerunners who "were.weak" and this left behind on the great journey. So in the end, his belief in the covenant faith barley changed

rigid sundial Dec 17, 2019, 9:07 PM

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if the events in legends have all happened does that mean that 1337 existed and got stomped on by a dinosaur?

fair hazel Dec 17, 2019, 9:10 PM

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That’s the only non canon one

rigid sundial Dec 17, 2019, 9:11 PM

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awwwww

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this makes me sad

hasty gyro Dec 17, 2019, 9:43 PM

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I heard that chief almost got infected but Cortana saved his bacon

lunar condor Dec 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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During Halo The Flood book, cortana used his shields to blast an infection form that almost nosedived into his nervous system

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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That’s to emphasise on how lucky he actually is. You’ll find it an often recurring theme for Chief

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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True. It cut thru his armor and started to cut his back open but Cortana used his shields to blow it up

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But imagine if Chief was infected; since UNSC doesn't know of the Flood in CE (Maybe idk), would they win if they sent a fleet w/ infected Chief to Earth?

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 9:59 PM

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We don’t really know what an infected Spartan would be like, but for the intelligence to be used that the host has, a Gravemind would need to be formed first

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Otherwise that intelligence can be accessed by the Flood

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:00 PM

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True. But there already was a proto gravemind, but it might be ded since Chief punched a crater in it

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Maybe it evolved further and became a literal gravemind, but since Chief left before the end, we never got to see it

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Chief punched a crater in the P-G in CE because he needed Keyes’ neural implants to activate the self-destruct sequence on the PoA

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After all Keyes was the body to be used as the foundation for the Gravemind’s formation (due to his knowledge with ships that would allow the Flood to try and escape the ring and start infecting other planets).

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P.S P-Gs are only a foundation that the Flood use to build onto to eventually form a Gravemind. A better example of a P-G that was almost formed into a Gravemind is the one in HW2 Awakening the Nightmare DLC

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You can tell from the size variation with these two P-Gs that the one in CE was in its early stages whereas the P-G in HW2, like I said above, was very close to becoming a Gravemind.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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So there's no way it could've evolved into a gravemind in the time Chief & Cortana flew from the covy ship to PoA and destroyed it.

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I see.

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Technically, yes.

versed helm Dec 17, 2019, 10:14 PM

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i mean, the infected game mode in arena is supposed to simulate infected Spartans

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or so i would assume

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 10:15 PM

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But anyways, what do you guys think of this idea. Imagine if Thom-A293, wasn’t actually KIA at the Battle of Fumirole, but it was all a cover up by ONI as they wanted him for their Special Operations, just a little bit of fun speculation whilst we wait for new lore. I think it would be an absolute surprise to the community (which are usually good). His death felt really pointless and shoehorned to me, and Fumirole wasn’t even related to the Battle/Fall of Reach itself, it was an isolated event. I am aware of his current canonical status being KIA, but that could be due to it not being explored yet. I mean we thought that Team Saber’s canonical status was KIA at one point due to an official listing somewhere (I’m sure someone will provide detail about that), but Saber was secretly active only listed as KIA, so it could be changed for Thom. Just a little food for thought

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Also a potential opportunity for 343 to get a little adventurous and I would love if they would consider exploring a similar idea instead of the exact idea I posted above, so it’s not in contradiction to Microsoft’s policy on unassociated/unsolicited ideas (or something along those lines)

lunar condor Dec 17, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Afaik the flood and reconciliation was destroyed by the ship crashing into the ground and blowing up before the PoA reactors blew up so theres no chance of that proto-gravemind surviving anyway

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Yea...he was atomitizdd with those on the covenant vessel

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Spartans can move quite quickly, and there is a possibility he made it just outside the shields. It’s no fun if you don’t play devil’s advocate sometimes

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He could’ve been right next to the grav lift too. But it’s been made to believe he died, but in reality he made it out just in the nick of time but the rubble of the ship buried him on his escape out

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Later ONI found him, and covered up his death listing him as KIA, and using him for their highly classified Operations

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It’s not the first time they’ve listed a Spartan as KIA either moving on from Saber Team, look at Kurt-051, he was listed as MIA but technically KIA for Spartan-IIs and turned into the Spartan-IIIs head instructor

rigid sundial Dec 17, 2019, 10:57 PM

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If we follow that is it possible for Jorge to be alive somewhere? Because what I understood from the game the slipspace "bomb" doesn't explode stuff but teleports it to a random place. I may be wrong because english is not my first language but that's how I understood that it works

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 10:59 PM

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I feel he’s been listed MIA (or again technically KIA for S-IIs) for simplicity’s sake

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Cause that is the whole point. I don’t necessarily understand how he could’ve died from it. Maybe someone who’s got a deep understanding of slipspace technology can fill me in

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Jorge would have been ripped apart by it

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Right, so part of him was teleported essentially

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Whole reason why its such h a big deal when breaches are found in engines

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Dayum, that’s gruesome

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:01 PM

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No, not teleported, ripped apart. We saw what it did to.a chunk.of ship

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 11:02 PM

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And even if he somehow survived and had an intact suit of armor with functioning shields...he'd have no way to get anywhere afterwards, so he'd either run out of oxygen or starve. Whichever came first.

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He'd have to take off his helmet for that.

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:03 PM

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The only ones who had a remote change of survival, would have been those on the carrier chunk

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Yup

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~~Like Rho~~

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:04 PM

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And that itself, was.moot sue to no exit

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I.am in the Rho survived camp

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Yep

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:05 PM

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How do you know Thom would have to fight his way out. He would leave by the same grav lift he entered by

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Yeah. Both Rho and Jorge have Waypoint articles. However, only Jorge has a death date and a confirmed death within the article itself. Rho only has an "assumed death".

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Look it’s slim but that’s what speculation is about

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He could be right next to the grav lift though

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He jumps out as it explodes and that’s the point I’m making. It’s all speculation

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:07 PM

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@versed helmhe took the.middle of a mega carrier, far far more then just 500

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Would .go 5000+

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:08 PM

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There’s a slim chance, but a chance. As long as you understand where I’m coming from then I’ve succeeded

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:08 PM

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@inner basinfor.jorge or thom?

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Thom

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That Jorge discussion was a sidetrack discussion

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So pessimistic...

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:09 PM

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@versed helmjorge had the mega carrier, thom had a.simple.cruiser

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Looked like mostly grunts

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But yea

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Plus he was at a higher level than where those troops were. Chances of them seeing him up there are next to none

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:11 PM

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@versed helmit was contained in the shield

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:12 PM

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There were troops below the carrier, so the explosion was inside

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It was planned to be set from the inside

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And contained in its shields

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:12 PM

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It flaired the shields yea, same as when keyes.did it

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:12 PM

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It flared the shields because the structure was coming apart

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From the explosion

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Yes, but the worse would be contained

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Otherwise Kate would be carbon

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She wasnt far from the cruiser

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Her survival proves the shield held long enough

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:14 PM

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I take a balance between slight optimism and speculation. Maybe that’s why

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Also Kate? Was that a typo?

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Yea

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Saw no point in correcting such a trival one

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Donk, firstly the grunts in that launching room didn’t see him, secondly he throws the nuke and runs back the way he came, towards the grav lift, jumps out, shields contain the explosion as he gets just outside the shields, can survive the landing by locking his armour and is then buried below the rubble that falls after, then he blacks out. ONI find him and decide that he could be useful for their black operations and such missions. That’s essentially it, my speculation that could work and explain him still being alive. It does take quite an optimistic approach combined with speculation, but works nonetheless

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:19 PM

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A good "what if" I guess

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:19 PM

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^ That’s exactly why I did it. I enjoy doing these. It kills time

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I’m a very big lore fan too, if you couldn’t tell

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:21 PM

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True, how about this then since ostral commented on it, what if rho survived reach

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Rho. Well it really depends on what the slipspace drives co-ordinates were, but let’s run of it being random. The part Rho could be on, may be the bridge, potentially, we don’t know what parts of the ship were part of the slipspace bomb, and which fell back to Reach

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Well he is a Mjolnir-clad Spartan-III with an underdeveloped backstory which could be related to the Headhunter program. He was one of the best Spartan-IIIs if he was outfitted with Mjolnir to begin with as well

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:24 PM

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@inner basinwould have been near the middle consumed by the bomb, but for the sake.of it, let's say he was in recreation at the nose which hit the ground

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:24 PM

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As for why he’s never mentioned, well this is ONI we’re talking about

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But back to Rho, I’ll answer questions later

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 11:25 PM

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mabey becase they had jorge

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Well if he’s in rec, he could potentially be alive as well as a small number of others, as the nose wasn’t badly blown up, again chnaces are slim but when there’s odds...

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 11:27 PM

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my friends say noble team will some how appear in halo infinte brought back by cortana sieg forerunne stuff

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:28 PM

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ONI are a very shady section of the navy, they do like to keep many secrets, but it’s untapped potential rn. Maybe 343 could possibly adapt on my theory if they decide it’s worthy to write on. But I don’t think I can explain this anymore than I have, and we should move on

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 11:29 PM

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image spartan class nights

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:30 PM

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They retain their memories in the Knight itself, but obviously the Knights don’t act on those memories

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Yeah Black Team pestered him (R.I.P) then Blue Team finished what Black started

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But I don’t want to go into detail about Black, that still annoys me

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 11:31 PM

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imagine if the unsc maged to rebuild the comoser

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really

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:32 PM

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There’s a whole forge

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Also, literally no way for noble team to be brought back to life. Even bornsteller commented that forerunner technology xouldnt bring back the dead

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 11:32 PM

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they why didint the didact get the others bfeore attacking earht

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Probably multiple forges elsewhere

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As for why, well he couldn’t harness that power with one ship

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^ That too

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 11:33 PM

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hae multible ships multibe composr heaps more nights

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yes and if he had ,ore then more little holes in more omposes

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could have put knights in charge or put them on auto pilot

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:34 PM

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It makes me wonder why didn’t the Infinity make mulitple holes big enough for a Broadsword or does the ship automatically shift to repair itself

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 11:35 PM

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yet the didact wasnt piitng the composer he was in the reacotr pat waitng for john

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si it must have been on autopilot

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:36 PM

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By the time John reached the Didact, the Mantle’s Approach was already in position

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 11:36 PM

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ture but it couldnt fire automticaly

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:37 PM

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@inner basin forerunner technolgy can indeed repair itself almost instantly

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:37 PM

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@terse lava I thought so but wasn’t certain, thanks for the clarity

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 11:37 PM

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oh yet it wa still firing while he wasnt in ti

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Because he had initiated the firing. He only needs to go in it once, to start the firing mechanism, similar to how once the index is put in to fire a Halo ring it starts the firing mechanism (well unless the index is taken out)

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 11:39 PM

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ok but next question do you know why he was insine

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Insane?

sharp adder Dec 17, 2019, 11:40 PM

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why he was mad

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Well there are many reasons for this. The Logic Plague is also thrown around too, but I don’t buy that. He had a deep seeded hatred for humanity mainly

gaunt oakBOT Dec 17, 2019, 11:41 PM

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@sharp adder has been auto muted.

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Thank god

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Oof

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He can still see comments @inner basin

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:41 PM

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It’s fine

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:42 PM

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What happened

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:43 PM

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It dm now

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Huh, how long do those mutes last anyway

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 11:43 PM

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24 hours

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:44 PM

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You been here the whole time Ostral?

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:44 PM

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Ah

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 11:44 PM

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Partly. Been busy-ish

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:44 PM

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Likly had, like an ossona

inner basin Dec 17, 2019, 11:44 PM

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Fair

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:46 PM

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Btw any news on the halo show

gilded mason Dec 17, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Nothin' new

terse lava Dec 17, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Darn

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Curious how that covenant girl was going to go

stoic hamlet Dec 17, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Probably not well

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I can’t imagine it’ll be done how it probably would be

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Likely

half apex Dec 18, 2019, 12:27 AM

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i have a question

keen canopy Dec 18, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Fire at will

half apex Dec 18, 2019, 12:28 AM

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does the unsc have something like the covenent banshee? thinkingchief

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 12:28 AM

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They have quite a few aircrafts.

keen canopy Dec 18, 2019, 12:29 AM

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I don't know of anything as small as a Banshee no

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Check Halopedia

half apex Dec 18, 2019, 12:38 AM

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hmm

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Going with hornet

glossy shard Dec 18, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Wasp is kinda more sleek like a banshee

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 12:57 AM

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I’d argue the Skyhawk is similar to the (lore) use of a Banshee.

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Haven’t seen it in a game though

glossy shard Dec 18, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Yeah that's true but from its comic depiction it's slightly more angular

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But I guess that's more interpretation so, it's a good thought

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Oh! Maybe the sparrowhawk?

unique rune Dec 18, 2019, 1:12 AM

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I think you'd have to be more specific about what aspects it'd be similar to a Banshee. The typical ones encountered throughout the games are considered Ground Support Aircraft, while Reach also has Exoatmospheric Multirole Fighter variation.

Not to mention that amphibious patterns of Banshee are also apparently a thing that exist.

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 1:13 AM

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I don’t mean visually

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I mean in terms of how it operates

glossy shard Dec 18, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Ohhh

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 1:14 AM

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The games do a Terrible job of depicting how Banshees actually work

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(Mainly because they’d be too fast and fly waaaaayyyyy past the map boundaries)

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They’re meant to blitz past enemies and do gun runs.

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Not slow down to fire or do fancy tricks

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Have you guys listened to these https://youtu.be/gQYTnBFbvBk

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chiefmini

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It's so badass

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 1:18 AM

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The convos themselves? Or the guide for how to find them?

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:18 AM

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The convos

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Most of us here are well versed in them, yeah.

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Oh

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 1:19 AM

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IIRC CIA(?) was the one who transcribed them on Halopedia.

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@obsidian thistle pls confirm or deny

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But they are pretty cool, yeah. A great look into the wider battle going on. @halcyon remnant

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Yeh

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We just got Noble team point of view

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There's a lot more than we missed @stoic hamlet

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Well, it’s an entire planet.

Lots of games have this sort of tunnel vision to them. Unless you’re playing an MMO, Planetside, Foxhole, etc, you’re only seeing the important moments through a single lens with no idea of the wider fight and how important others actions are.

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Were there a lot of more Spartans fighting on Reach?

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Well, RED, CASTLE and ECHO are 3 other III teams, plus the eventual arrival of 25 Spartan II’s subdivided into fireteams under the callsigns Red Alpha through Delta.

So, around maybe 40 or so, low balling it.

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More like 60 probably

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Besides red and blue team are there more Spartan IIs

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Alive

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 1:44 AM

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We know of at least 14 Spartan II’s alive as of 2558, yes

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Red (3)

Omega (3)

Blue (4)

Grey (3)

Naomi

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Hey question: if the Hierarchs - Truth, Mercy, and Regret - knew that the Great Journey and everything the Covenant was based around was false after being told by 032 Mendicant Bias, then why were they still acting all highly-religious? I can get trying to put on a façade for the general public, but particularly Regret and Mercy seem like they were still highly religious and faithful to the Great Journey? My only guess is they're trying to make themselves believe it's not false - kind of like if, for example, a Medieval European was to learn that everything they had grown up on: Christianity, Catholicism, etc. was a complete sham and a lie, I'd assume they'd probably try to convince themselves it wasn't too. Any thoughts?

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

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They still believed, but now they just thought it wasn't a for-sure process.

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

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^^^^

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

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What do you mean "for-sure process" just wondering

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Where did they got that idea from anyways

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 1:48 AM

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What do you mean "for-sure process" just wondering
Previously, they thought everyone would ascend when the Halos activated. Then MB makes them think humans are Forerunners that were left behind, not ascending with the rest.

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:49 AM

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:0!

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Solid snake sound

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Ah okay so it was more like "Now we have to make sure we get it right or we end up like those heretical humans" kind of attitude

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Yeah

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Can u imagine them hearing that the great journey is a lie

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They're like

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Well now what

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Eh Just fire them anyways

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CSGOMister

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 1:50 AM

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I always just assumed that in H3 Truth was just trying to pull a Thanos by killing everyone in the galaxy and then making himself some kind of god-emperor figure

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Actually, by that point...it seems so.

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At least, based on his dialogue during "The Ark"

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Yea I actually just played it yesterday and he cries out "I shall become a God!"

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 1:52 AM

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I meant more that he laments that more Covenant forces couldn't make it to the Ark, where they would be "shielded from Halo's fire."

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 1:53 AM

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Maybe Truth was trying to make himself some sort of god-emperor in the galaxy, with the Brutes being his blindly obedient enforcers

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 1:53 AM

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I think that was the plan by the end, yes.

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 1:54 AM

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My guess is he started scheming up that kind of plan around the time they discovered the Ark.

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Because, he and Tartarus were scheming to replace the Elites years before the Great Schism, but the said Great Schism didn't start until just after the Ark was discovered on Earth.

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Actually, literally just after arriving on Earth to begin digging up the Portal. Like Truth already had the Brutes killing off the Elites on Earth after Regret fled to Installation 05.

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:57 AM

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How would he become a God if he would be dead because not the blast from the Halos

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 1:58 AM

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The Ark is outside the galaxy, thus out of range of all the Halo rings.

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Oh yeh

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Wait

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 1:59 AM

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So, if I were to assume this was his plan, he was trying to wipe out all life in the galaxy except for all those loyal to him safely preserved on the Ark. After the rings fired, he'd rule over a galaxy

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:59 AM

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So why Didn't forerunners leave the Galaxy Cx

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 1:59 AM

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They did

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 1:59 AM

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^^^

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It's in Halo: Fractures

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 1:59 AM

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Ok where are they now

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 1:59 AM

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And in the Forerunner Trilogy

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In exile...somewhere

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Oh

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:|

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Now Halo 3 Truth makes so much more sense to me tbh. I always wondered why he started acting all crazy in Halo 3 compared to in Halo 2, but he really wasn't if you look at it. He was in the final phase of enacting some kind of grand scheme.

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Ok wait

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So why did the covenant

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Ahh nvm

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Erm

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Maybe

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Ok so

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Why did the covenant tried to exterminate humanity planet by planet, instead of going directly to the ark

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And firing the rings from there

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 2:03 AM

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They didn't know where the Ark was.

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Truth be all like "And I would've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling humans!" queue laughter sequence

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Regret only found out its location right before Halo 2 started.

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Right. Truth knew humanity's homeworld was Earth but I don't think he knew it was where the Ark Portal was.

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Yeah

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Why is there a portal on Earth that leads direct to the ark

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Because the Librarian.

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Because it was where the Forerunner Key Ship was designed to land and reseed the planet after the Halos fired. It's actually kind of a nod to the scientific hypothesis that humans originated from East Africa.

halcyon remnant Dec 18, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Hm

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 2:06 AM

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That's why Truth used the Forerunner Dreadnought (a Key Ship) in Halo 3 to gain access to the Voi Portal.

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I'm not 100% sure about this, but I believe that Earth had the only portal accessible to the Ark. I believe that when life was reseeded in the galaxy after the Halo rings fired, the other Key Ships designed to reseed other worlds such as Janjur Qom (the San'Shyuum homeworld), Sanghelios, Doisac, etc. just jumped straight from the Ark to where they needed to go.

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Because the Forerunners had made humans the Reclaimers, so they entrusted humanity with all their technology they left behind.

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 2:10 AM

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A bit silly, to be honest.

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Naive, more like

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Yeah.

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 2:12 AM

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TBH even irl humans are jerks. I totally believe that if we ever met alien life that didn't immediately try to kill us like the Covenant, we would be the aggressors. I mean, even in the Halo Universe, after the Human-Covenant War humanity began to aggressively assert its dominance over the alien races. Of course, in Halo I can understand why we'd have a lot of animosity with the former Covenant races. After all, they did try to wipe us all out and nearly succeeded in doing so.

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Entrusting any singular species with something is pretty horrible. It's basically saying no matter your personality or actions, your race is all that matters.

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 2:14 AM

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That statement gives me a hilarious thought about if the Forerunners were communists and shared the Mantle with all races lol

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Things would probably go a lot better.

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Well I'm sure even after the Covenant War, the ex-Covie species were all like, "Oh, so you guys get to be the successors to the Forerunners, and we just get to be normies?"

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 2:16 AM

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I'm not sure how well that's all really known.

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Good grief I missed a ton. Always seem to miss the good conversations

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 4:14 AM

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On the topic though, was there any underwater battles for humanity and the covenant

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I think it was commented that the aquatic banshee had been fought by humans, but very, very rarely

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Have we ever seen a unsc submarine?

versed helm Dec 18, 2019, 5:05 AM

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The map Fathom has some and that’s a UNSC facility

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Aha why thank you good sir

full forge Dec 18, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Is the pelican dropship alone better than any spacecraft currently available to modern day humanity?
?

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:07 AM

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I always wondered why the Covenant didn't use more of the plates that the hunters used for their shields on other personnel or vehicles

full forge Dec 18, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Because those plates are heavy as all getout.

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Like, four tons or so.

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Jesus christ

full forge Dec 18, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Basically the same stuff they make their battleships out of.

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Couldn't a wraith carry it tho?

full forge Dec 18, 2019, 5:08 AM

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They probably already do.

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It's probably what the armor of a wraith is made out of.

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Fair point and which pelican are you referring to?

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The condor is pretty amazing as an aircraft

full forge Dec 18, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Just any Halo pelican.

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Pretty sure they're more impressive than anything modern day humanity has access to.

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They can make it from dirt to orbit, and they're very maneuverable and can go pretty far.

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Definitely considering the condor used by oni in the book new blood also has genuine stealth capabilities

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Why is alpha Halo called Alpha Halo?

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 5:30 AM

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When the array activated, it was the first to fire.

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:30 AM

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its 04

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okay thats what I thought

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but the 4th built?

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~~or 3rd~~

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Fifth, I guess. 07 was originally part of an older array, but repurposed.

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:31 AM

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lmao why number them then. Its all kinda weird I guess.

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The numbers mason what do they mean

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:32 AM

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It's the russians!

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:33 AM

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@versed helm you're going to have to change your name for server management purposes

gaunt oakBOT Dec 18, 2019, 5:33 AM

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Per the #471730170768654352, usernames and avatars must be appropriate for this server (no unusual unicode characters, slurs, offensive material, etc). We do not set nicknames for users.

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:34 AM

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If theres qeustions don't forget to tag me

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:34 AM

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He could be a classy demon tho

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:34 AM

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about lore and stuff

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cause I miss out on some discussions

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:35 AM

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we still dont know the ring at the end of Halo 5 right? Could it be a replacement of sorts or a totally new ring?

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:35 AM

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we dont know what ring it is

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:35 AM

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I was having a discussion with a friend and didnt know this answer

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k

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Speaking of rings

keen canopy Dec 18, 2019, 5:37 AM

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We don't know for sure what ring it is

However most of us are 99% sure it's Zeta Halo @atomic lava

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:37 AM

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also you too @atomic lava , seems like you need name change too for administration purposes

gaunt oakBOT Dec 18, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Per the #471730170768654352, usernames and avatars must be appropriate for this server (no unusual unicode characters, slurs, offensive material, etc). We do not set nicknames for users.

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:37 AM

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thats what I gathered too. Many think its Zeta Halo. But for what reason(s)? @keen canopy

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Since Zeta is where Infinite takes place.

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:38 AM

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where infinite likely takes place

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:38 AM

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wait lol I have to change my actual discord name

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:39 AM

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yes

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:39 AM

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oof

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Yeah, it stinks.

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Also there is still a possibility it's anothe halo in halo 5, and even installation 09

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But the likely guess is 09 or 07, for game continuity reasons

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Eventualyl 343 will probably tell us

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:41 AM

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yeah true. Also should I probably play HW2 to better understand what may happen in Infinite since the Ark post Halo 3 is featured?

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 5:41 AM

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You can just watcha playthrough, really

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:41 AM

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because I always thought the Ark was destroyed and couldnt make any more rings till Halo 5

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:41 AM

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they want to make the story understandable for everyone regardless if what you have played or if it's new

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 5:41 AM

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Nah, it was just really damaged, as noted by Cortana at the end of Halo 3.

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:42 AM

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hm okay

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 5:42 AM

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Hunters in the Dark has a joint UNSC-SoS team going back to the Ark.

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:42 AM

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yeah that was something I didnt care for about Halo 5. You had to do your homework to understand what the heck was going on

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:42 AM

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ark wasn't destroyed indeed, it did take some time for it to repair itself but it did

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not really because it didn't tie in with the other stories much

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for halo 5

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it had references and stuff, but it didn't connect with the surrounding media you could say.

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Yeah, the books they said would tie into Halo 5 really didn't.

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:43 AM

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also true. But it did feel more like a necessity to read and watch all the stuff before hand compared to any other Halo.

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Escalation plot points? dropped, and so on

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Only Book I own and have read is Fall of Reach. I want to read more but it also seems daunting to me lol

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:44 AM

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you really should

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theyre really good

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:45 AM

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should I atleast read the first 6?

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 5:45 AM

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Current favorites for me:
Broken Circle
Shadow of Intent
Last Light
Silent Storm
Oblivion
Evolutions

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:46 AM

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sure castlyr

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sorry i sneezed while typing

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:46 AM

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bless u

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:46 AM

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thank you

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i used to have a favourite

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but then something else came out, and now i have 2 tied favourites

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silentium and legacy of onyx

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:46 AM

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I personally like the forerunner saga the most

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:47 AM

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The Flood is just Halo 1 as a book right?

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 5:47 AM

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correct but more detailed obviously

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:47 AM

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ye

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neat

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:48 AM

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and new sections

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have you playd fireteam raven?

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Nah

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:49 AM

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ah. did you play CEA? and checko ut the terminals?

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:49 AM

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Ive check out every terminal in the MCC. So yeah.

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so it focuses on that stuff more in the book? I assume it all came from the book then.

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:51 AM

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remember the scnee where keyes gets infected?

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:51 AM

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and resisted it like a true badass. Yeah.

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:54 AM

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that comes from the book, teh flood

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Cool

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 5:55 AM

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also the fireteam raven game pulls from the flood a lot

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so yeah, it basicall y is halo CE + covenant perspective and what happens around CE

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Nice. Always liked how halo 2 expanded on that side of things\

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Indeed. More aliens is always good in my book.

remote spruce Dec 18, 2019, 5:59 AM

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More alien ranks too

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Agreed

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Biased from covenant members

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but correct

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 6:01 AM

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lol

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Give us novellas on covenant eras. A tale on battles between covenant and the kig-yar, pre sangheili covenant lives, even pre covenant brutes

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 6:03 AM

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in my head i forgot forerunners are aliens whoops

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Oh. I did as well. Let me update that previous statement:
More aliens is always good in my book. Unless they're Forerunners.

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 6:04 AM

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343: we heard you wanted more alien tales. releases book on forerunner rebellion

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 6:05 AM

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😥

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Small message on the interior cover readds: for our largest forerunner fan ostral

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 6:06 AM

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lol

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Id like that😅

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I li kh e the forerunners, but the covenant and sangheili will always be my favorites

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Id honestly like that

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honestly for me, more stories i want more more more more books more stories more comics give them to me now now now

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 6:07 AM

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Elites are my favorite due to their valor and honor

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 6:07 AM

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@potent cargo👌

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@fair hazelinagine a new graphic novel like in 2005

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They hit all the fans with each faction getting their ir own large tale

quaint hearth Dec 18, 2019, 6:09 AM

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how come usnc only make one sound gun and no more sound gun?

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Wanted to share this little side-project I've been mapping out on Google Maps. This map points out approximate placements for all Battle of Earth sites around New Mombasa and Voi. Like I said, it's not 100% accurate, because there's obviously no certain way to map out stuff that won't appear for over 500 years. But I used reference maps by Bungie and 343 Industries for New Mombasa, and most of the Halo 3 sites are already accurate.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1jMO5HTMH-jNIWBaK7DqDlJZqE_pKznZr&ll=-3.589533845687211%2C38.482880677494904&z=9

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 6:09 AM

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..except precursors, who get a very vague little dialogue thing in a similar fashion to Johnson in the old one

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 6:11 AM

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I will also note that in Halo lore, a lot of Kenya was flooded inland from Mombasa, transforming Voi into a major port of call for vessels moving inland, as well as making Mombasa a huge hub.

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 6:18 AM

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Crazy considering that place is like extremely poor rn

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 6:18 AM

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Yea tbh I don't know how Mombasa became so important lol

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Well, actually, I know it's because they put the Earth's first space elevator there - but WHY

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 6:19 AM

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Maybe cause africa is full of ALOT of natural resources

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 6:19 AM

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Of all the places to put the world's first space elevator, we choose East Africa? But true

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 6:19 AM

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And easier to deliver

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Did reach have a space elevator?

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 6:20 AM

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I think so

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Harvest had like 7 so I'm assuming Reach had a few too

keen canopy Dec 18, 2019, 6:20 AM

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A lot can change in 500 years

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Sydney is the capital of the UNSC

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The USA no longer exists

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No reason Africa can't be well-developed

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 6:21 AM

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A load of australians run the unsc?

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kinda cool tbh

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 6:22 AM

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It's secretly all being run by none other than Chips Dubbo

keen canopy Dec 18, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Nationality is pretty hard to care about when your race is now spread across 600 planets

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I'd imagine

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 6:23 AM

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^Not if you're an Innie

feral perch Dec 18, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Wisconsin still exists.

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It’s so weird to me that that was included in LoO

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 6:24 AM

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I visited Cleveland once with my family and told them how the Covenant will be invading the city in 533 years 😄

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 6:24 AM

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Though just to clarify, the "600" figure also counts space stations, mining installations, etc. So the actual planetary count is much lower.

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 6:24 AM

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You know, I wonder if the covenant make use of RTS-style training for novice field and fleetmaster

keen canopy Dec 18, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Interesting thought

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 6:25 AM

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That'd be neat.

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 6:26 AM

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BTW, about my Halo Earth map - the only point I couldn't pinpoint approximately was Chief's crash site in Arrival and the Hydroelectric Plant in Sierra 117. There aren't any near Mt. Kilimanjaro in modern day irl, so I just guestimated that one

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 6:27 AM

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Well, has to be different when you consider jumping from commanding a few files, to suddenly an entire army

tawdry galleon Dec 18, 2019, 6:27 AM

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I just marked the nearest hydroelectric dam to Kilimanjaro

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I also noticed that fan-favorite Zanzibar is close to Mombasa irl

keen canopy Dec 18, 2019, 6:43 AM

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I think I remember someone looking into where Sierra 117 took place IRL. IIRC there's no corresponding landscape at all near Kilimanjaro.

potent cargo Dec 18, 2019, 6:50 AM

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I mean with respect I dont think bungie and 343 went into that much detail did they?

serene tiger Dec 18, 2019, 6:58 AM

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500 years could look different

keen canopy Dec 18, 2019, 7:02 AM

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Yea I'm pretty sure everyone prefers a level that looks nice and plays nice, over a level that makes sense geographically

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It's a fun thing to investigate though still

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 7:49 AM

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okay am I dumb how did I miss that Miranda's mother was Dr. Halsey.......

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how long has that been a thing

carmine sleet Dec 18, 2019, 7:50 AM

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For almost as long as Miranda's been a character in the Halo franchise

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 7:51 AM

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is it ever mentioned?? There was massive emphasis on her father (obvs) but Halsey being her mother I never knew until about 2 seconds ago

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 7:51 AM

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It was first explicitly mentioned in Reach side material, I think.

carmine sleet Dec 18, 2019, 7:51 AM

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In the Kilo 5 Trilogy, Halsey has a moment when she learns Miranda died, in Halo 5, she has a picture of Miranda on her desk in the opening cutscene and I believe there's some other stuff too

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 7:52 AM

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side material ah yes now I know why

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also totally forgot about Halo 5's cutscene thats true.

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man that cutscene was really pointless wasnt it lol

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went no where

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Yup

atomic lava Dec 18, 2019, 7:56 AM

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well I am not that surprised I never knew that. Because one tiny screengrab from H2A in Halo 5's first cutscene is not enough to show the player (in the games) that they are related. but okay if its in the books its in the books.

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whats next suddenly Spartan Locke is cousins with Johnson

gleaming mauve Dec 18, 2019, 8:26 AM

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You never know...

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But i hope not

gaunt oakBOT Dec 18, 2019, 9:42 AM

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@twilit meadow has been auto muted.

gaunt oakBOT Dec 18, 2019, 11:02 AM

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Auto unmuted @fiery sierra

inner basin Dec 18, 2019, 1:32 PM

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I still can’t believe people thought Halsey was Jorge’s mum/mom (for you Americans)

carmine sleet Dec 18, 2019, 1:40 PM

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It's pretty insane that some people did

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Like sure, she is in many ways the closest thing the Spartan IIs have to a mother figure but at the end of the day, she isn't related to any of them

inner basin Dec 18, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Imagine selecting your own kid to be kidnapped to be indoctrinated into the gruelling Spartan training program. Pretty mad to think about

dusty siren Dec 18, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Halsey and cortana's a good example

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Cortana's a copy of Halsey

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Not sure it's the same, bu seeing miranda match perfectly? That would be amusing

inner basin Dec 18, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Spoiler for PC players (don’t read if you don’t want spoilers for Halo 3)

It’s a shame Miranda died in Halo 3 tbh D:

tiny yarrow Dec 18, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Are there any other known Spartan Is left?

dusty siren Dec 18, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Ones?

tiny yarrow Dec 18, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Spartan Unos like Johnson

carmine sleet Dec 18, 2019, 2:16 PM

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It's unknown if there are any left. Johnson is confirmed dead, same with James James from I Love Bees

dusty siren Dec 18, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Well you'd need a timeline of the spartan program

carmine sleet Dec 18, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Ok, checking Halopedia, it doesn't say if James James' wife, Gilly, has died or not

inner basin Dec 18, 2019, 2:18 PM

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Such a silly name James James. Does it say why he changed his name in the lore? I honestly can’t remember

carmine sleet Dec 18, 2019, 2:20 PM

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No, we just know his original name was James Lee

versed helm Dec 18, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Wait Miranda died? tf

inner basin Dec 18, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Is that supposed to be funny sarcasm or are you being dead serious?

versed helm Dec 18, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Oh yeah, I forgot Miranda died in H3.

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My brain turned off today since I'm still in school

inner basin Dec 18, 2019, 2:54 PM

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What a bad place to have your brain turn off lol

versed helm Dec 18, 2019, 3:01 PM

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ike

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ikr

carmine sleet Dec 18, 2019, 3:01 PM

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I mean, it's bad in general if your brain turns off

versed helm Dec 18, 2019, 3:01 PM

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for some reason we have to find an ad about individual identity

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So my friend starts looking for lottery ads tf

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lmao idk what to do

inner basin Dec 18, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Well I’m not really here to help with your work, just here to talk about Halo specifically lore in this channel

barren niche Dec 18, 2019, 3:04 PM

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I love lore

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I don't love homework

inner basin Dec 18, 2019, 3:05 PM

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I can agree with that state 💯/💯 times

versed helm Dec 18, 2019, 3:07 PM

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IKR School bad, Halo lore good

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Yeah ik @inner basin im not asking for help just doing a status report

fair hazel Dec 18, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Space elevators are cool.

inner basin Dec 18, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Most definitely

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But even better witnessing them collapse

versed helm Dec 18, 2019, 6:07 PM

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True. Space elevators cannot survive the power of Mister Chef & Spartan Armor Locke

dusty siren Dec 18, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Locke is dumby dumb

versed helm Dec 18, 2019, 6:55 PM

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He's more uselsess than most stuff I have learned today at school

clever fable Dec 18, 2019, 7:26 PM

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It is canon that locke is the big dumb, but school is important. frank

quaint hearth Dec 18, 2019, 8:20 PM

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do you think brute have brute rifle like how covenant have rifle, human have rifle, and forerunner have rifle? edit: never mind, i forgot about the spiker

agile dragon Dec 18, 2019, 8:26 PM

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good good that gun was... uninspired

quaint hearth Dec 18, 2019, 8:34 PM

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it would be cool if brute have rifle like needler rifle but it shoot out big spike - like a spike rifle

agile dragon Dec 18, 2019, 8:49 PM

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a bolter?

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wrong universe o.o

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or a heavy bolter that I have just learned about

quaint hearth Dec 18, 2019, 8:52 PM

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brute make bolter would be cool in halo

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Brutes.likely have some type like that, at some point. Have to remember their planer was pretty much the fallout universe before the covenant found them

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Well, the Spiker is a carbine

sleek star Dec 18, 2019, 9:59 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFMiDmCr0qU&feature=em-uploademail How Jun-A266 (Noble 3) SURVIVED and ESCAPED Reach

stoic hamlet Dec 18, 2019, 10:09 PM

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We don’t know how he escaped

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The only good theory/idea was (recently?) made non-canon

unique rune Dec 18, 2019, 10:11 PM

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On one hand I want to click the link just to see what channel it's from.

On the other I'm afraid of it being HaloFollower and absolutely refuse to contribute anything resembling a view to that channel.

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 10:11 PM

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It's Xperia.

unique rune Dec 18, 2019, 10:11 PM

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That is... marginally better.

random cradle Dec 18, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Is envoy a good book just got it from amazon exited to read

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 10:13 PM

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It is...okay.

unique rune Dec 18, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Envoy has... good parts.

In general it's just kinda alright.

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 10:13 PM

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I'm not a fan of certain things in it.

random cradle Dec 18, 2019, 10:13 PM

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I read glass lands and liked it

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 10:13 PM

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I see.

random cradle Dec 18, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Along with the fall of reach trilogy

terse lava Dec 18, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Just realize something, if multiplayer is now supposed to be canon, wouldn't that technically mean that the Hw1 would be battle simulations for humanity and the covenant

sleek star Dec 18, 2019, 10:15 PM

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BUT HaloFollower videos are GOOD AS WELL @unique rune 😉

unique rune Dec 18, 2019, 10:15 PM

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They really aren't, but okay.

You can also chill with the caps.

sleek star Dec 18, 2019, 10:15 PM

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C A A P S Kappa

random cradle Dec 18, 2019, 10:15 PM

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The best halo you tubers are old like the notable, halo follower, hidden Xperia, and the spearhead

unique rune Dec 18, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Dunno about HW multiplayer.
I know HW2 MP is supposed to be non-canon, not sure if that applies to HW1.

sleek star Dec 18, 2019, 10:16 PM

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i like Halo Canon as well

random cradle Dec 18, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Yea forgot about those

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 10:16 PM

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The best halo you tubers are old like [...] halo follower
🤔

random cradle Dec 18, 2019, 10:17 PM

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I know this has been talked about to death but what are your thoughts on 343

gilded mason Dec 18, 2019, 10:17 PM

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343 Guilty Spark is a neat character. I enjoyed my time with him.

random cradle Dec 18, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Yea but I was talking about 343 industries lol