#lore-and-universe
gaunt oakBOT
terse lava
@gilded masonecactly, no proof
gilded mason
...
terse lava
Hih?
gilded mason
Cripes
terse lava
What did he do
gilded mason
Is it because he said that acronym...?
gilded mason
This is really too much.
quaint hearth
arbeter looks cute in haol 2 anniversery cutscenes
sharp hollow
6,Chief, and Rookie are in the startup window on mccpc, they're there because they're protagonists
It got me thinking about the future, and how 343 said they will have more chief centered stories later on
Locke got most of Halo 5 and will have a big role sometime later
I think their names were selene and jerome, but idk. Do you think we'll see more out of those two or did they die in a comic or something
feral perch
Isabel, not Selene
Jerome-092 is fighting on the Ark for the Spirit of Fire
Locke isn’t confirmed to have any kind of role in future games
keen canopy
@terse lava I've never heard of this "contacts idea"
Where did that even come from
@gilded mason are they mentioned anywhere ever?
Im so confused
gilded mason
are they mentioned anywhere ever?
Not that I'm currently aware of.
But some people have talked about it because of Halo 2 and Reach.
keen canopy
Right
Its not worth talking about
Elites have all different colors of eyes
What we see in the games is not definitive as per Grim
In reality there were H4 Sangheili in the events of Halo 2&3 and vice versa, in reality the Arbiter is still the same phenotype he was in 2 & 3, he didn't magically change body and skintone etc etc
There are a tonne of examples
Every individual of every race is not the same height etc etc
gilded mason
The issue was simply if they wore solid black contacts from Reach to Halo 2 timeline-wise. Not that they literally had black eyes, if that's what you were thinking.
keen canopy
Ah I see
In that case, that wouldn't make sense either
Reach to 2 timeline wise is a few months
gilded mason
Devil's advocate, we've got no games before Reach regarding the supposed contact usage.
But I just see it as an artstyle thing and, as Ado said, to differentiate important Elites in Halo2, since Rtas has green eyes there.
keen canopy
No doubt
It's just silly to compare visual differences between games, and try to extrapolate theories
terse lava
Yea, just curious why halopedia.conaisers it canon
gilded mason
Got a link to it?
terse lava
On the sangheili page under "notes"
terse lava
I actually wanted too once I noticed it earlier, but was hesitant
Was just going to wait he till he popped in of his own. Accord
gilded mason
CIA:
It be my domain here```Oh, never saw that
gilded mason
You wanna ping him or did ya want me to?
terse lava
Go for it
fair hazel
@fair hazel
gilded mason
Hm?
terse lava
Then again, I saw it and brought it up, guess I should
gilded mason
Well alrighty.
fair hazel
Paging Doctor @obsidian thistle
gilded mason
And here's the relevant thingy:
https://www.halopedia.org/Sangheili#cite_note-54
Sangheili NPCs in Halo: Combat Evolved wear eye coverings corresponding to the color of their armor, while Elites of all ranks wear black lenses in Halo 2.
terse lava
@gilded masonthanks
gilded mason
No source given.
terse lava
Besides. When you look closely at them, there's clearly a fleashy look to their eyes that I doubt the contacts would have
obsidian thistle
What be the order?
terse lava
On the sangheili page on halopedia, in the note section there's a claim that classi. Halo 2 sangheili wear black contact lenses, no source
obsidian thistle
If its the eye thing. I am looking for the sources still. I "will" find it. Cause I recall a mention somewhere.
But it may not be today
terse lava
I have heard it mentioned since around halo 3, but never seen a source
obsidian thistle
Its a source that will require heavy digging from me
terse lava
Alright, closest I can recall to a mention on eyes. Lore wise was pre hierarch h truth, on musing on the sangheili, called them "shark eyed prorectors"
obsidian thistle
Imma doing small field research first :)
It might even be manual lore
Infact...
terse lava
Yep, just adding what I knew for what ever help it offers
obsidian thistle
Brb
So thats a start. The Halo 2 Limited Edition Manual. Nothing with the eyes yet. But HUDs are a thing.
gilded mason
Yeah, Rtas talked about using his motion tracker in Shadow of Intent.
terse lava
Interesting, but that can be used for any gamed
obsidian thistle
The normal human version changes it to be Mjolnir specific if that means anything
terse lava
Also now ticked I didnt get limited edition halo 2
terse lava
Yea, just met for the sake of having
obsidian thistle
Interesting
So here is my Halo 2 field notes
- When Thel is wearing gold armor. His eyes are black.
- When he is stripped of his armor. They are no longer black.
So "that" may be the cause of the contact lenses thing
gilded mason
Though Rtas in the same game has green eyes.
terse lava
Yes, I always chalked that up to narrative
To show he is different from his peers
And a protagonist
gilded mason
And I think Thel and Rtas have unique head models. At least, if the default elite head has their helmet models "integrated" with the head model.
obsidian thistle
Thats is what I think is the case.
Regardless H2A lacks the distinction.
As in no black contacts.
gilded mason
Yeah
obsidian thistle
Infact they funnily enough show more skin xD
terse lava
Heh, actually just remembered
gilded mason
So the HUD might instead come from eye augments or some holographic thing projected from their helmet.
versed helm
Someone say my name
obsidian thistle
Yep. Time for me to check Halo 3 however
terse lava
Halo 3 guide has one sangheili pictured with black eyes and halon2 artsytle
Just concept art I believe though
wide glen
Is the Mjolnir armour still the best?Or did it get powercreeped
gilded mason
Still the best the UNSC has to offer, yes.
terse lava
You know, kinda wierd that the prophet of mercy was only 20 years older then nizat
gilded mason
Wow.
wide glen
Can anyone take on Atriox and not lose 1 on 1?
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
Kina makes me wonder now, if nizat, a fleetmaster was 200 years old...how old was xytan
gilded mason
Maybe Xytan was just more ambitious and charismatic.
terse lava
Could be, but we have yet to see another with the rank of imperial admiral appear
terse lava
How do you guys think the plot would have changed had regret been saved
lament crag
Where was linda during “the package”
fair hazel
unknown
placid acorn
Is Red vs. Blue canon?
feral perch
Not to Halo
fair hazel
@placid acorn You're going to have to change your name
gaunt oakBOT
fair hazel
Username. Just like the warden says
placid acorn
That seems like a bit of an overextension of your jurisdiction.
Why can't I just change my nickname?
fair hazel
No it isn't. If you want to stay here, you're going to have to do it.
placid acorn
Okay.
fair hazel
@placid acorn so
gilded mason
He left, dude.
quaint hearth
why do elite have weird name but grunt have normal name like yap yap?
terse lava
Grunts were only allowed simple names by the sangheili, as for themselves, they get their birth name, then their clan name, finally the proper suffix at the end
Or, older lorr, the birth name, then a word that decrees their skill, then the clan name, then the suffix
An example of the newer lore would be thel(birth name) Vadam(clan name) ee(suffix) an example of older lore would be Ado (birth name) mor(skill) tum(clan name) ee(suffix)
quaint hearth
oh so my name would be jörf jörf ee in elite name language
unique rune
...If your first name was Jörf and your last name was Jörf and you served in the Covenant military.... sure.
terse lava
....kinda?
mild pond
Who wins in a fight, The Flood, The Borg or The Zerg?
Imo, the Borg have an advantage with the whole tech/flesh fusion, but then again the Flood seem perfectly capable of using tech.
inner basin
The Flood can only truly use technology when a Gravemind is formed, as the Gravemind is kinda like a hub for where all the knowledge the Flood collect from their hosts go. Then the Gravemind co-ordinates the Flood to use said technology. But I’d say if a Gravemind was formed now, they would already know how to use technology as Gravemind’s retain all the information previous Graveminds had
But if this soon to be hypothetical Gravemind didn’t know how to use technology the Flood that collected enough biomass etc to create this Gravemind would have collected knowledge on how to use technology, as like I said above, knowledge collected from infecting things will be known to the Gravemind when it is formed
At least I think that’s correct. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong
^ @mild pond
mild pond
Very interesting Mr. Sprayz, very interesting indeed. The Zerg Swarm and the Borg Collective both attain information from their new 'converts', though the Zerg are able to reproduce without hosts. Are the Flood capable of this, or do they require biomass from infected individuals to grow?
terse lava
Pue forms are flood warforms that require no hosts, only. Biomass
mild pond
I am unfamiliar with Flood terminology- which ones are those?
The little dudes who swarm?
terse lava
The ones from halo 3 that can change shape. New ones as appear in hw2 as well.
terse lava
They do need a gravemind and sufficient biomass to begin nyt once they do they can replace combat forms
mild pond
The Zerg can continue from a single larvae surviving beneath nuclear glass. The Borg need only a single drone to wipe out an entire civilization in forming a new collective- how little is required for The Flood to regenerate?
mild pond
Sounds like they require the least to repopulate- larvae are about a foot long and weigh about twenty pounds, a drone is usually a humanoid bioform uplinked and upgraded.
I have a commission to write a little battle royale, and for the money theyre paying Im trying to get a good body of research. Who better to talk to than lore-fans of the series ^ .^
terse lava
Well the forerunner trilogy of books show that the flood started out as a inert powder on ships were discovered by changing humanity and used on their contemporary pets.
Over centuries this Perry mutated the pets dna until her then she started causing problems such as cannibalism, birth defects, and weird patches on their skin. Eventually more flood like technicals and what not appeared on them and started spreading To humanity and their allies
tiny yarrow
The flood can generate multiple infection forms from a single combat form as evidenced by Tales from Slipspace
mild pond
Hrm... very interesting.
terse lava
despite having graveminds, in the what was considered slightly weaker then the flood that we all know. However it was still able to consume multiple human worlds, Hundreds Forerunner battle Groups, and it was shown by their scientists that this flood had it not been stopped would have over whelmed the Galaxy in just a few centuries
tiny yarrow
It’s likely the flood would hit a roadblock with the borg, seeing as they can assimilate machinery into their ranks, but doing so requires a Gravemind
terse lava
They would just make Flood biomass around the Cybernetics
There is a reason why the flood are one of them most high tier When comes to alien parasites
versed helm
Would the Flood be able to evolve past intergalactic infection, like universal or multiversal infection?
Is there a multiverse in the Halo fictional universe?
Example, alternate realities in the Halo lore?
Where there's different Master Chiefs or Arbiters, or neither.
Kind of like Spider-Verse, but in a Halo version
Hell, even an alternate reality w/ Spider-Chief!
agile dragon
I think the closest is just non canon game trailers...
versed helm
Do you think the relations between the Marines and the Elites were good in Halo 3? They fought along side each other but we never got to hear their opinions in-game.
agile dragon
depends on if they had friends/family slaughtered by the covenant probably =x
If their home planet was glasses by covies, not much chance they'll be open to friendly conversations with them.
versed helm
Ah so they probably just mutually fought together.
wraith locust
Flood OP plz nerf
agile dragon
Fighting against a common enemy would probably help improve relations between those there in the moment
versed helm
@agile dragon I'm pretty sure there were some books about the allegiance that showed good relations.
Like the one that involved the playable co-op Elite from Halo 3.
agile dragon
There were good relations, its just that there will be good and bad ones, its a mixed bag
If you haven't had your planet glassed by the covenant / had squad mates killed by them and fought alongside the covenant, you may very well like them.
versed helm
To be fair, the Elites did play an important role in saving Earth from The Flood.
agile dragon
The elites have honour, making them probably much more appealing to humanity as a whole
Edit: compared to the rest of the covenant
dull fox
I wonder what the average citizen on earth thought about that
"Oh no the Covenant is here and they're glassing Africa the end is nigh"
"It's alright they're helping us kill the bad guys"
"wut"
versed helm
People have discussed if they were combined colonies of Elites and humans after the war but I'm uncertain about it.
Would be a very cool topic to cover.
I can definitely imagine society hating the Elites due to propaganda, previous mass casualties and etc. However, I can see the Marines being happy for them to join because they posed a massive threat before.
@agile dragon @dull fox Your thoughts?
agile dragon
I'm not sure how its going to play out with Oni still trying to hamper any covenant recovery process. If it comes to light, they could be right back at war
versed helm
But I've also heard that people just feared Elites rather than hate them since other races would just hunt them for sport and food.
agile dragon
That's why I mentioned the honourable bit
agile dragon
They are much more appealing to humanity compared to the covenant that just eat people
versed helm
Yeah, I wonder if the UNSC had to train them to use their weapons.
I honestly think that the Elites were really ashamed of themselves when they realised what they did previously.
So they were probably really respectful towards the humans.
agile dragon
Also keep in mind humanity was 1 species fighting off 8(?) different species at once
Probably some mad respect there
versed helm
Yeah that's very true but it was clear that they were at their weakest point in history.
agile dragon
humanity or the covenant?
agile dragon
Yeah, that is, was and always will be the home world for humanity XD
versed helm
There are also people who thought that there were human and Elite relationships but that boggles down to the dark cesspit of Rule 34.
sacred dew
A human and an engineer,just imagine the horror
versed helm
Oh God.
agile dragon
so... much gas o.o
versed helm
Well don't forget that an Elite is like over 8 foot when the average human is around 6 foot.
I don't know how large an Engineer is.
agile dragon
maybe some halo wiki has it listed
versed helm
Oh my, 9 feet on the wiki lmao.
agile dragon
and filled with lighter than air gasses
versed helm
I'm pretty sure they went extinct or were liberated after H3.
carmine sleet
They're still floating around. Many work with the UNSC
versed helm
Do the Swords of Sanghelios still work closely with the UNSC and ONI? Since we have the Needler Warthog.
Probabluy
Since there is lore saying that Swords give UNSC Covy weapons for Fireteams
Example, one Spartan has Energy Sword & BR
Huh, I presume that there are Fireteams with mixed races then.
carmine sleet
A Spartan carrying an energy sword doesn't nessesaily mean that they got the weapon from the SoS
versed helm
Huh, I presume that there are Fireteams with mixed races then.
Hopefully
Don't know why it sent that again.
But also ONI kinda wants Sanghelli dead, so the Elites might have an edge w/ Humanity
How come?
ONI ruined elite crops, losing their food supply and making their food inedible
Then they sent Locke to assassinate Arby and failed
carmine sleet
Not all of ONI want to kill them. ONI isn't a hivemind of people who all agree on everything
agile dragon
Killing off Arby would make us fans revolt D:
versed helm
IKR so true
Would be cool to see a civil war between the UNSC and ONI over the subject.
Yes, it would be interesting
With the Elites supporting the UNSC since I doubt they'd want that.
carmine sleet
Locke was going to be sent to kill Arby before he became Arbiter but the op was cancelled because of the Battle of Earth. The op never happened
versed helm
But ONI has and knows almost everything
carmine sleet
ONI don't know everything
versed helm
Yeah they essentially are the Illuminati lol.
They might have glassing tech and could just glass the UNSC's homeworl
homeworld*
agile dragon
is that not earth? o.o
carmine sleet
ONI wouldn't gain anything from glassing Earth
versed helm
I doubt they'd do that since ONI is significantly smaller than the UNSC.
True
ONI is smaller in numbers, but they have the BIG BRAIN
And BIG WEAPONS
agile dragon
Oni seems to have no limits to what they'll do to win
versed helm
Well look at WW2 era Germany and Soviet Russia, remember who won?
carmine sleet
You do realise ONI is an intelligence organisation that's part of the UNSC, right? Not a separate organisation
versed helm
Yes but I can see internal conflict.
agile dragon
Ackerson vs Halsey
carmine sleet
ONI still have to answer to the heads of the UNSC, if ONI were to go AWOL, they'd just disband the org
versed helm
I would honestly prefer it if they retcon H4 and H5 so that Sanghelios would have great relations with Earth.
True
carmine sleet
They're not going to be retconning anything and the SoS has a good relationship with the UNSC anyway. They just dislike ONI
versed helm
I can see why lol.
Hell, I dislike ONI myself.
After seeing what they've done in the past too.
Like the Mona Lisa for example.
carmine sleet
The SoS wouldn't know anything about that
versed helm
It's a good thing that they don't lol.
versed helm
Tru
versed helm
lol
gaunt oakBOT
versed helm
rip eternal
gilded mason
Depends on what you need.
versed helm
love
gilded mason
Won't find any help regarding that here.
terse lava
Weren't the invasion games from reach canon?
unique rune
Pretty sure all MP is retroactively considered part of War Games simulation.
feral perch
The maps are, but the gameplay not necessarily.
gilded mason
The SoS might like to let loose once in a while, you never know.
terse lava
"In other news against the Created threat, local captain gibyap has brought another victory with his autumn class cruiser"
terse lava
Wonder if amy any covenant e on alpha halo managed to survive the explosion
Obviously the fleet did, any one on the terraform surface died, but below
gilded mason
At the moment, the SoS does.
fair hazel
Halo warfleet, shadow of intent
terse lava
The covenant proper likly had them too. I doubt every single combat training was physical with the tech they had
fair hazel
shadow of intent uses human tech, wargames tech, onboard to train
terse lava
Interesting, tjoughy that part in warfleet met they developed their own
tacit helm
remote spruce
last anchor
Dont think theres anything non-canon in Halo other than Odd One Out.
Even thats been mentioned to possibly be an in-universe anime
obsidian thistle
Well
There is the GearsxHalo stuff.
And the odd Shaw and Fujikawa beach paragraph.
And the odd trailer, and toy here and there.
All that stuff has elements of non-canon or are straight up non-canon.
sacred dew
Fight time!!
Masterchief vs commander Shepard
My bets chief cause he's faster,stronger,and more durable
spring palm
Fight time!!
Master Chief VS Fat Kid from infected
versed helm
A difficult battle for both, to be sure.
versed helm
Whos the fat kid from infected?
sacred dew
No idea
vast drum
@sacred dew what gen of Mjolnir is Chief in? What version of Shepard is this? What equipment do both have?
Depending on how the fight is set up either Chief slaps are Sherpard Annhilates
sacred dew
U call the dude able to beat a krogan in a fight fight regular?
vast drum
Yeah no Shepard ain't a normal human in any sense
Hes objectively superhuman in multiple ways
Even as a regular dude
sacred dew
Just say regular compared to chief
vast drum
A Krogan and casually ram throught a solid metal wall
And Shepard can beat them unarmed
Hes not normal that's for certain
sacred dew
He survived punches from the shadow broker who are stronger than krogans
sacred dew
Standard I guess
vast drum
So AR/BR with what gen of Mjolnir?
vast drum
Gen 1 MK VI hmm
If shepard has no biotic or tech abilities its chiefs game
Target assistance
vast drum
I'd say that they're equal physically but hoo lad is Chief better trained
sacred dew
what's the strongest strength feat for Shepard cause Spartans lift 3 tons casually
vast drum
Actually nvm Chief is physically stronger
Lifting Strength =/= Striking Strength
Though it would help him say
sacred dew
Plus chief has faster reaction speeds
vast drum
Disarm someone
Chief is 106 km/h iirc
And has far faster reactions
Like dodging plasma and bullets with relative ease
sacred dew
Spartans can shatter concert with out amour
vast drum
But heres the kicker, James Vega can dodge Mass Accelerator rounds
sacred dew
Amour also has onboard computer aka precog
vast drum
And Shepard is better than James
sacred dew
Leroy Jenkinsssss
vast drum
Mass Accelerator Rounds are between mach 110 and mach 235
sacred dew
Shepard: I am speed
sacred dew
Spartans can outrun a horse
topaz hemlock
wow they are fast
vast drum
Basically
vast drum
Its Hypersonic reactions (Chief doging railgun rounds) vs Massively Hypersonic reactions
topaz hemlock
cool
vast drum
So Shepard is way too fast for Chief to tag in CQC
But chief only needs a few hits to end shepard since he's far stronger in Mjolnir
The issue is
He can't really get those hits in
sacred dew
In legacy of onyx someone sees Tom running and says he's running faster than a worthhog
K?
vast drum
Give Chief a heavier weapon like an Incineration Cannon or a Spartan Laser and I can see him winning
But without it Shepard is too fast for him to effectively hit
sacred dew
Wait what but on a halo server the halo server what
versed helm
You could use a needler to counter act the speed
vast drum
Also worth adding Chief hit 106 km/h during the fall of reach
And needlers don't track fast moving targets too effectively
Try shooting one at an banshee and you won't hit it
vast drum
Of course if they're having a race Chief wins due to the 106 km/h feat
sacred dew
Can't Spartans see things slower I think it's called Spartan Time
versed helm
Wait. The ARC-920
vast drum
Yeah, but not to that degree of difference rich
sacred dew
Remember the armour works with thought so a long as he thinks it the amour will do the movements right?
versed helm
Amp that up with Spartan Time reflexes and an adrenaline rush
vast drum
Maybe in infinite we'll get to see Chief dodge a Spartan Laser and this'll all be behind us and we can laugh
versed helm
Nah
sacred dew
And pain means nothing to a Spartan other than to fight harder
versed helm
If I'm not wrong (I probably am), ist Infinite a remake of CE
vast drum
Spartans are just as vulnerable to shock and such as any human
versed helm
Kek. Thanks.
versed helm
Yeah. Read the books. I cant even count how many times I saw John being stunned, or unable to move
gilded mason
Although Gammas do have the drugs to give them an edge when dealing with huge stresses
vast drum
It applies to SIIIs but not SIIs
versed helm
Gammas are semi-spartans
gilded mason
Gammas are Spartans.
sacred dew
James got his arm cut and he did pretty good
vast drum
Maybe SIVs if Infinity does something sketch in Infinite
versed helm
Semi Spartans. Their reaction times and base endurance isnt as good as a Mark II
vast drum
SIIIs are still spartans
gilded mason
Spartan IIs are Spartan IIs
vast drum
They're just weaker than SIIs due to multiple factors, but that doesn't mean they suddenly aren't
gilded mason
They are.
versed helm
OHHHHH NOOOOOO
vast drum
SIVs are what I'd call Semi-Spartans at most because of the whole not being full augmented bit
But I still think they're spartans
sacred dew
They are just given inferior amour
versed helm
SIII dont have the full augmentations either
gilded mason
SIVs are fully augmented. It's just that the augments aren't as "powerful" as SII/SIII augments.
gilded mason
I don't believe that methane one
sacred dew
No the agumentation's are just more safe because there's this thing called progress
gilded mason
I know. I'm saying whoever wrote it didn't think about it
vast drum
The human body shuts down with like three breaths of methane what sort of insane augmentation is that
Uh
No
versed helm
ORION was left incomplete. The full fledged augmentation was done in SIIs. SIIIs ALMOST received the same augmentation, but on a lesser scale
Johnson
Sgt Avery Johnson
vast drum
That would need a fully custom liver, rebreathers in the lungs, etc
versed helm
Subject of ORION
sacred dew
Three course meal from a tree branch
sacred dew
No just survived
versed helm
he didnt recieve the full thing
sacred dew
Yes he did
versed helm
I remember the quote from silent storm
"These Spartans are what you could've been if the Project hadnt shut down"
DUDE WORT
ohhhh
yeahhhhhh
but still
the only full orion soldiers were the nobles, i think
yep
?
WAIT.........
That seems suspicious
versed helm
Sure didnt look like it
sacred dew
Cryo sleep son
versed helm
NO
Cole and Halsey both say that he's incomplete!
NOO
ARRGH
WAIT
I'll pull a book on you
Halo Silent Storm, pages 54-56
READ EM
heck, i quote
The SPARTAN-II program succeeded where the ORION project failed. They are what you were meant to be"
....
Thats different
the end point is the orion project was left incomplete
except it wasnt? really
they had the same bio enhancements
they did
same book, page 56-57
Not mainly
it was equal parts of both
yeah
ke
dermatological steroids
yes
gilded mason
What?
versed helm
DUDE
DA HECK
HERESEY!
non canon is the whole meridian divide arc
but the original orion project was still left incomplete
the reboot was totally different
younger "applicants", for starters
then there's the decade long training, which was cut short by two years due to covenant being covenant
while orion had two years of training
plus the enhancements in orion were only biochhemical
yup
adult volunteers
hey, Palmer and Davis are SIVs, right?
agreed
to each their own
man, im quoting a book
..
The ORION project was quietly deactivated in 2506 and the 165 surviving members were reassigned to other special operations units in the field.[11] However, these soldiers often exhibited side effects as a result of their augmentations and many members were discharged from the military as a result of mental instabilities.
copy pasted from halopedia
hough the ORION operatives continued to prove their effectiveness, some of the older conscripts began to exhibit flaws which were passed off as natural defects or stress from the war. Many ORION candidates exhibited post-traumatic stress disorder or repressed insurgent sympathies; some in the latter category refused to participate in the program post-augmentation and were incarcerated.[6] Despite the nominal effectiveness of the ORION soldiers, the results of the ORIONs' abilities were falling short of the scientists' hopes. Because of the candidates's age and inadequate genetic screening for specific genetic sequences, the genetic modifications led to minimal improvement and the inserted immunosuppressants failed in most of the subjects. This caused irreversible genetic fragmentation and degenerative conditions in many of the ORION personnel.[17]
In 2502, Operation: KALEIDOSCOPE (part of the UNSC's greater plan to pacify the entirety of human-colonized space) was put into action. Many ORION supersoldiers were deployed to neutralize insurgent strongholds, but one of the key goals was to eliminate Jerald Mulkey Ander, the leader of the Secessionist Union. On March 13, 2502, Ander was assassinated by ORION operative Corporal Avery Johnson.[18] With Ander dead the Secessionist Union fell apart, though his death did not deter those who wished to be free from the control of the UNSC and only strengthened the resolve of the insurrectionist movement in the colonies.[9] Although KALEIDOSCOPE dealt a heavy blow to the insurgents, the overall strategy of the operation failed to pacify the colonies. Worse was the fact that some of the older ORION soldiers were beginning to develop severe side effects from their augmentations, that ranged from physical to mental illnesses. Their performance was also continuing to decline in addition to the ineffective strategies the UNSC were using. Operation: TANGLEWOOD would be the last operation the ORIONs participated in.[2]
The ORION project was quietly deactivated in 2506 and the 165 surviving members were reassigned to other special operations units in the field.[11] However, these soldiers often exhibited side effects as a result of their augmentations and many members were discharged from the military as a result of mental instabilities. In order to ensure absolute secrecy, the side effects caused by the genetic augmentations were masked as a disease known as Boren's Syndrome.
carmine sleet
Not to mention, with a program like that, if the results don't justify the cost spent, no reason to keep funding it
versed helm
no
maaaaaaannnnnn
see, like donk said, the project didnt live upto what it could've been due to internal strife, yea or nay?
but if the internal strife wasnt there, could the project have done better?
they did!
carmine sleet
Which would be the results they don't want, if your program is producing more crippled soldiers than it is super soldiers, it's not worth keeping it operation
versed helm
it getting shut down out of the blue kinda means that it was left unfinished
the IIIs had different augmetations
and the IIs training was interrupted
carmine sleet
The S-II program, while it did have some candidates die or end up crippled, produced more soldiers that were effective at what they did and the only reason a class II didn't happen, as far as we know anyway, was because of internal politics within ONI and the Human-Covenant War
S-IIs did not have their training interrupted
versed helm
THEY DID
carmine sleet
They completed their training
versed helm
the whole thing was supposed to last a decade
the covenant cut it two years short
the S-IIs are the closest thing alive to the final image of a Spartan who went through the full thing
the S-IIIs had different augmentations, so semi spartans
and S-IV onwards were adults since Boren's syndrome was curable
carmine sleet
S-IIIs are just as much a Spartan as the S-IIs and I see nothing saying that the S-IIs never finished their training
deep pewter
The SIIIs augs should be incredibly similar to the SIIs
versed helm
But they arent
carmine sleet
Boren's Syndrome has nothing to do with Spartans
deep pewter
But they are
versed helm
Borens was a side effect of augmentation onadults
gilded mason
No it wasn't
versed helm
it was
carmine sleet
Good to know I wasn't the only one to check Halopedia, Donk
gilded mason
It was a cover-up made by Halsey
ONI, not Halsey, I believe
gilded mason
What's the source for that, Forthencho?
carmine sleet
"Children's minds are more easily accepting of indoctrination, their bodies more adaptable to augmentation. The result was the ultimate soldier."
This was why Halsey used kids. It was not because adults would die from being augmented
gilded mason
the source of what?
The source for "borens was basically the augmentation's effects on adults"
versed helm
halopedia
gilded mason
Post a link, please
versed helm
The augmentation techniques used in ORION were later improved in the subsequent SPARTAN-II program and its successors. Many of ORION's failures were attributed to the age of the candidates: as adults, the applicants' bodies rejected many of the augmentations, producing less than expected results. Because of this, it was decided that the enhancements must be applied at a prepubescent age to individuals possessing very specific genetic markers.[17] This impediment was later overcome in the SPARTAN-IV program, which allows the augmentation of adult subjects without the major risks presented by the earlier SPARTAN enhancements.[21]
S-IVs basically had better doctors
because augmentation during ORION was a bit too experimental
carmine sleet
It still says nothing about Boren's Syndrome being a thing anyone would've gotten from augmentation
gilded mason
Indeed
versed helm
In order to ensure absolute secrecy, the side effects caused by the genetic augmentations were masked as a disease known as Boren's Syndrome
i can post a screenshot
no
when
wort
pls do
gilded mason
and S-IV onwards were adults since Boren's syndrome was curable
borens was basically the augmentation's effects on adults
versed helm
i never said it was a disease
versed helm
it was unrelated to spartans
carmine sleet
Earlier you said it was
gilded mason
I just quoted you twice.
versed helm
i did not say the spartan IIs and borens was related
gilded mason
We're not talking about SIIs.
versed helm
i said boren's s curable
wait
The ORION project was quietly deactivated in 2506 and the 165 surviving members were reassigned to other special operations units in the field.[11] However, these soldiers often exhibited side effects as a result of their augmentations and many members were discharged from the military as a result of mental instabilities.
gilded mason
And?
versed helm
boren's was the cover up name given to the mental screw up the augmentation did
gilded mason
This cover-up (known to ONI as the "Paris/BS Spoof") was likely used as a means of deterring any investigation into his altered DNA and physiology, which would have revealed him as a Spartan-I.
versed helm
mental instabilities arent negative?
say wort
how do i copy paste a chat like you just did
carmine sleet
I'd say the fact that it's called "BS Spoof" is all the proof you need to know Boren's isn't a real illness, but one made up specifically to cover up stuff, given the letters used
gilded mason
Donk's saying any hypoethical Boren's thing isn't involved with mental instability.
gilded mason
This is what Donk said, Forth:
[Boren's] didn’t cause any actual negative mental effects
gilded mason
borens is a mental instability
Where was that said?
But even then, Boren's wasn't real.
carmine sleet
Boren's Syndrome supposedly causes tumors and migraines, and is believed to be caused by exposure to certain types of radiation
This is what I can find
So even if it was real, it doesn't cause any issues with sanity
versed helm
how do you expect me to make my point if i cant do the stuff you can
gilded mason
Three of these on each side: `
versed helm
........
Donk2339Today at 12:59 AM
You know Boren’s syndrome according to the cover-up just messed with your nerves right?
Donk2339Today at 12:59 AM
It didn’t cause any actual negative mental effects
facepalm
messed up nerves is a mental instability
carmine sleet
Messed up nerves means you have messed up nerves
carmine sleet
Cool it with the caps, makes it seem like you're both shouting at one another
versed helm
ok. wait
gimme a min
le me type stuff out
kek?
kek
you said that all mental instabilities arent negative, yeah?
gilded mason
But anyway, this is still unrelated to the fact that Boren's has nothing to do with agumentations or why SIV's are now using adults.
versed helm
yeah...
so all mental instabilities are negative
borens was the cover up name given to the mentally instable ORION troopls
i just its a cover up name
said*
the instability was caused due to the augmentations
all side effects, including the instability, were collectively covered up with the name of borens
im quoting halopedia here, btw
In order to ensure absolute secrecy, the side effects caused by the genetic augmentations were masked as a disease known as Boren's Syndrome.
it says side effects
carmine sleet
It was to cover up the Orion program, not a cover up of the fact that some of the operatives of the program were unstable. And mentally unstable could mean anything in the context of the little information we know of the Orions, it could be as simple as some suffering from PTSD to someone who ended up becoming a psychopath
versed helm
mental instability was a side effect
i know
but mental instability wasnt the only side effect
all those who also got instability were said to be "suffering" from boren's
heck, all side effected ppl were "suffering" from borens
and S-IVs are adults because the augmentation methods were improved
carmine sleet
Johnson is mentally stable yet he's suffering from Boren's according to his file
versed helm
kid bodies adapt more easily
it was used to cover all side effects
but it was
look it up on halopedia
carmine sleet
It's a cover up for the whole program, not the side effects
versed helm
avery actually has PTSD
read contact harvest
we see it there
im not saying he isnt
Slipstream TechnicianToday at 1:17 AM
Johnson is mentally stable yet he's suffering from Boren's according to his file
his PTSD was covered up
yes
read silent storm
they cover up a LOT of stuff
they also do that in contact harvest
carmine sleet
PTSD is not something ONI would be covering up. It would require them to go find every person who is suffering from PTSD and taking them away. That's both not a logical thing to do and would also be a waste of time. People get PTSD, you can't stop that from happening
versed helm
and avery;s file shows him suffering from borens just in case it gets out of contro;
control*
and johnson is an orion graduate. hence the fallback of borens
the whole super secret take it to your grave thing
and by it getting out of control i mean that the augmentations go to heck
before any incorrect assumptions are made
whew.
that was mentally tiring
scarlet geyser
I remember reading a story about how an elite was fighting a Spartan-II in hand-to-hand combat and the elite was getting really tired but he couldn't gauge how the Spartan was holding up because all he could see was the Spartan's faceless visor. Anybody know where this is from? I think it was from a book.
unique rune
My brain says it might be from The Cole Protocol, but it's been a real long time since I read it so there's a good chance I'm wrong.
gilded mason
Was it this?
“I cannot get a good aim,” Zhar shouted, as Thel struggled to get a grip on the powerful human’s rifle.
The loud human gun fired into the floor several times as they fought over it, and then Thel got the barrel in both his hands.
He stared at his reflection in the alien’s visor and roared as he bent the weapon, straining to make it useless. The gold visor stared implacably back at Thel. There were no sounds, though the alien was straining just as hard.
What creature did not choose to show its face that wasn’t a soulless and dead one? Thel roared again. “Demon! Heretic. Unholy alien!” He headbutted the gold visor, snapping the human’s neck back with each whiplike blow. The human threw him back and yanked a primitive knife from the chest of its armor.
The two warriors stood, staring at each other for a split second. Thel suddenly realized that they would both die, fighting to the very end, equally matched. Equally matched with a human. Thel spat purple blood from his mouth. This was a surprise.```What creature did not choose to show its face that wasn’t a soulless and dead one?
This line feels just a bit dated these days.
scarlet geyser
Ahh yeah that's most likely it, a little different than how I remembered. Thanks a bunch! 🙂
true jolt
Im surprised UNSC never considered cybernetics... Like for instance, Kat with her robot arm could have secondary weapons on it or something.
dry barn
Itd be useful incase they're separated from their weapons
stoic hamlet
......
What?
I don’t.
What?
Filter Y? 😦
A Spartan is usually kitted out with more than just two weapons
dry barn
Like if their weapons were separated from them (i.e. like a few meters away and the spartan/ODST/Marine etc.)
There can be a small gun that shoots from the wrist or wherever
dry barn
A small breathing room so they can reach for their weapons
unique rune
Man, the filter really doesn't like you today, does it?
stoic hamlet
In Oblivion, one of Blue Team has on her person a Pistol, Shotgun, Assault Rifle with an under-barrel grenade launcher, and her knife.
Even unarmed, Spartans are weapons.
It hates me for some reason lol @unique rune
dry barn
Eh just a thought
stoic hamlet
I get where you’re coming from
But what are they going to have inside/attached to the arm the arm? A small pistol or sub machine gun would basically be useless. A laser would need a large battery, a rifle or carbine wouldn’t fit,
Etc
dry barn
Something small really
unique rune
"What happened to your arm?"
"It's a rifle now."
"A... what? Why?"
"It's for... emergencies."
stoic hamlet
And then there’s ammo to think about
dry barn
DMR intensifies
It would be a single magazine for emergencies
And I dont think a rifle or something like a laser would fit in a prosthetic arm
stoic hamlet
All UNSC body armour is able to stop 7.62 AP rounds at point blank.
Covenant armour is also really durable, so you need something with a punch.
Maybe a pocket shotgun. One shot of 8 gauge
But it’d really seem unnecessary/so niche there wouldn’t be a point
unique rune
Doesn't seem like it'd be any more efficient than how some GEN2 armor stores combat knives in wrist compartments.
stoic hamlet
Yeah
gilded mason
@stoic hamlet
This line:
What creature did not choose to show its face that wasn’t a soulless and dead one?
stoic hamlet
in what way?
gilded mason
Because the Sangheili also use armor that hides their face.
feral perch
Ranger, Ultra, Spec Ops, Assault, Commando...
Ascetic really counts against that line of dialogue.
gilded mason
And like 50 pages beforehand, Thel equipped Infiltrator armor, which uses a fully enclosed helmet. So I've no idea what's going on there.
feral perch
At least he wrote Keyes well
versed helm
What book are we discussing here?
gilded mason
Cole Protocol.
versed helm
Are there spartans in the cole protocol?
gilded mason
Yes, Gray Team.
stoic hamlet
it might be that at the time all Elite armour, even enclosed, still exposed one's face, maybe? (Out of universe that was the thought)
I really like the line though, and the idea.
gilded mason
Eh... I don't really buy it.
versed helm
only the honour guard and the black blades have face enclosing armour, i think
gilded mason
At least these six:
Ranger, Ultra, Spec Ops, Assault, Commando, Ascetic
versed helm
Yeah. But I dont think any class has fully face enclosing armour
only their EVA suits are like that
i guess
gilded mason
But I dont think any class has fully face enclosing armour
Those six have variants that use completely enclosed helmets. I'm not sure what you mean.
versed helm
the active camo for elites is basically EM cloaking
take a look at the arbiter's armour
not full body
but can still cloak
visors, i guess?
yeah.
well....it could be that it refractslight only in the direction of emission
like, if the EM cloak is on the face, it'll refract all light not aligned with the direction of the face
gilded mason
Maybe pinprick areas around the iris that aren't cloaked...somehow?
versed helm
thats highly unlikely
the cloak needs to be complete
like, any openings will disable the cloak
versed helm
thats precursor tech
main kettle
Still a plot point on every darn universe that people can't explain properly
versed helm
the covies didnt have precursor tech cause the forerunners didnt use precursor tech
ah. sorry
gilded mason
(It's a running joke to just use neural physics when some people don't know a good answer)
cedar ore
So wait
versed helm
im pretty sure it has something to do with the alignment of light
cedar ore
Does the entire saga from reach to Halo 3 only take place over like 6 months?
cedar ore
Idk I was taking a look at the wiki, which Ik they’re not always accurate but
versed helm
not a year and a half
main kettle
July 2552 - March 2553
versed helm
like, the 04 events took what, a month or so?
gilded mason
like, the 04 events took what, a month or so?
Less than a week
cedar ore
How canon is the food
gilded mason
September 19 - They arrive at 04
September 22 - John blows up 04
cedar ore
Yea but how canon is book
main kettle
We also had time to see two nights in total from the start of CE to the end gameplay wise
cedar ore
Cuz IK bungie were all weird with how canon the novels were
versed helm
but the game isnt the full set of events
gilded mason
July 24 - Halo Reach begins
December 11 - The Fleet of Retribution destroys the Covenant
So what’s the time gap between HW and Reach?
Many many years
A couple decades about
main kettle
Like, 30 or 50 iirc?
gilded mason
Ah, HW started 2531. So about 21 years
versed helm
74 hours after landing
gilded mason
¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
cutter had a good lead scientist
horribly outdated does not mean un upgradeable
yup
douglas died
yeah
they have to drag his corpse back to the hog
huh?
gilded mason
You weren't joking?
versed helm
its been a year
but i remember them showing douglas dying in the trailer
like, he goes limp
and they're dragging him back
gilded mason
He just couldn't move
versed helm
............
alright
i guess they had them from the events of HW1
lidk
i havent played it in millinea
but i guess one or two died during HW1?
so, they salvaged the armor?
surreal lodge
Anyone maybe have a video/audio playlist I could get into, that basically tells the lore of Halo in chronological order, starting at the earliest known things of the universe? Like I wanna really dig into it all.
I know HiddenXperia and Halo Follower and such, but I'm looking for a more streamlined idea - one that makes it a goal to make the story clear from start to finish.
gilded mason
Just to make sure, never watch a HaloFollower video.
surreal lodge
Noted lol, I don't really . Thats not really what I'm looking for
gilded mason
I'm not really aware of one, myself.
surreal lodge
Again I'm looking here for a source of something that is actually, cohesive.
gilded mason
Maybe Halo Canon has something...maybe?
surreal lodge
If you wanna spit em all off in order I'll look for audio synopsis/summary's of each book.
That might bring the picture together. I never really had that idea till just now.
versed helm
ok
surreal lodge
Work has me too busy to read but audio is a possible thing
versed helm
there's the forerunner saga
the prequel
then contact harvest
then cole protocol
then fall of reach
then the flood
then first strike
then ghosts of onyx
versed helm
then the kilo five saga
surreal lodge
@gilded mason Thanks boss.
gilded mason
I think that doc miiight only be missing Oblivion, which takes place right after the mini-series Forward Unto Dawn.
versed helm
oh yeah
glad gull
Hey so I wanted to ask your thoughts on since the Librarian said that she evolved MC, if there is any lore evidence that could point to him being able to live much longer than the average human because I know that in the forerunner era humans could live a very long life, I wanted to ask what y’all thought about it because I’ve never saw it discussed
gilded mason
I think she just gave him access to Domain stuff and immunity to the Composer.
glad gull
Well she said many gifts and that the composer was just the thing he needed most, and if you listen to her she said she put him through forced evolution so I wanted to see if y’all thought we could see a 150 year old MC still in his prime because the Lord Admiral from the Ancient humans was said to have served for 1000 years
glad gull
Just a thought
rustic dragon
Anyone know which armor Riz Spartan-028 may have used? From what I understand, she was in the same group of other Spartans which were granted very diverse armor over time.
carmine sleet
Outside of what we know about S-II training, we know next to nothing about Riz as of right now. I believe we'll see what her armour is once the show is out
tepid lynx
@carmine sleet What show?
keen canopy
The Showtime Halo tv series coming out this year
sage dew
pogU time to read the books too
halo lore is wonderful. want to learn all of it now that im older
so why is there no slow chat on this channel but 30s on other channels. please lower slow chat for other channels or remove them please 😂
deep pewter
Thinking about it, why was Halsey surprised about the modifications to Jorges armor? You’d think she would’ve had some idea that permutations were being worked on for the armor considered her brainchild
fair hazel
No.
And I think he made modifications beyond permutations.
rain token
didn't she mention in her journal that spartan armour was made to disallow any permutations?
stoic hamlet
That’s been thrown out now.....sadly.
fair hazel
Project cobalt
wraith locust
?
Oh. Filter
I was saying just by looking at the MA5B I didn't think the rounds would be FMJ
carmine sleet
Bungie weren't known for their knowledge on weapons in the real world
versed helm
the blowback on the pistol is really slow
potent cargo
I think bungie was more interested on making the game fun rather than realistic to modern weaponary @carmine sleet
carmine sleet
I wasn't the one complaining about it
potent cargo
Whoops
terse lava
If you were to choose a civilization to live in. Which one would it be?
gilded mason
"Current day" ones, or ancient ones as well?
stoic hamlet
Probably none
Like, if I had to choose it’d be UNSC/UEG/ONI mainly because I don’t want to be eaten/incinerated/murdered by aliens, and though they’re not the more morally good, their heart and goals are in the right spots.
But arguably none
*only if you’re an aristocrat
gilded mason
Current day, I’d certainly go with the SoS.
Wonder what their entertainment industry is like. And the state of their online presence.
versed helm
it has currently snowed 5 inches in missouri
terse lava
@gilded masonboth
Would think their entertainment would involve lots of plays of heroic figures and the such
fair hazel
not only if you are an aristrocrat
gilded mason
You'd have to join the military otherwise, and who'd wanna do that?
runic hill
Most sangheili because muh honor
carmine sleet
They eat by using the weird mouth-pincer thingies that each individual worm has
potent cargo
Wait a sec in halo nightfall were those worms the same as in the hunters? but like highly more advanced and sophisticated
gilded mason
were those worms the same as in the hunters?
Yes.
stone marlin
Lekgolo bois
potent cargo
Jesus
Sorry
Mantle*
eh still would rather watch those worms move than anymore locke storyline
gleaming mauve
hollow herald
at high charity? what was misleading?
carmine sleet
I think they mean the bookend cutscenes from H2A, Komodo
hollow herald
ah i see, its only anniversary. 343 added it to make it like locke is looking at chiefs past and he was asking the arbiter who was close to him
just to tie in h5 more
keen canopy
They weren't exactly the same @potent cargo
They were experimented on by Forerunners and made to devour organic material, as a potential weapon against the flood.
"Know that a thousand other plans were tried and failed"
The biomass-eating Lekgolo worms were one of these plans. Regular Lekgolo do not eat living things.
carmine sleet
The monitors were specifically limited in what they knew in case they were captured by the Flood. Such as Spark only knowing about the Halo Array during CE to 3
in case they were captured by the Flood
I never said that the monitor was captured by the Flood
Don't worry about it
quiet umbra
yeah monitor knowledge is unreliable
Guilty spark was completely wrong about the ark for example
terse lava
Wrong about the ark, but he knew of the ark.
hidden thicket
i know what the ark is, but what did guilty spark get wrong about it?
i have very little knowlege of what happens after halo 4 XD
but halo 4 and before ik tooooo much
quiet umbra
muh ur-didact
versed helm
What did 343 know about the Ark that was wrong tho?
quiet umbra
he thought it was a shield installation
tiny harness
Pretty sure he said something about isolation of knowledge amongst the monitors such as himself to prevent the Flood from taking out the whole Halo weapon system (the array and ark)
So he would have bits of knowledge, but not exact information.
quiet umbra
yeah all monitors have compartmentalized information
anything outside of their installation is just speculation on their part
radiant sphinx
Protocol dictates action.
Also why is GS able to shift the color of his internal lights? Did he choose red when he attacked Johnson to denote his anger, or could he change to any color? Would be weird if the latter since the other monitors are distinguished by their color
versed helm
Probably the colors express emotions, Red = Anger, Green = Happiness, etc.
feral perch
A refuge against the Halo array.
unique rune
They're supposed to be multipurpose installations, acting as preserves and shelters as well as military staging grounds.
tired river
@radiant sphinx It’s probably from him using his weapon, when he lasers a combat form at the end of Floodgate he also turns red, it doesn’t necessarily denote that he’s angry
solid lance
hi is me walfus
quaint hearth
how come spartan die in water?
fair hazel
they don't die upon touching water..?
quaint hearth
master chef die in water when he jump in water
gilded mason
That is a gameplay thing.
rancid delta
@quaint hearth that is a boundary
coarse scarab
@quaint hearth They wear amour that weighs a few tons that's why
quaint hearth
@coarse scarab they can swim
quaint hearth
can they make spartans who can swim? it would be cool
terse lava
A variant likely, but more likely they wod be deployed with aquatic equipment. The covenant do the same with underwater banshees
quaint hearth
imagine halo game with aquatic equipment 😳
sharp adder
That would be amazing
terse lava
It does exist, so would be nice
versed helm
That would be neat
keen canopy
He figured out how to use the Forerunner Starship's navigational software, which Cortana used to interpret previously recovered Forerunner coordinate data to locate Installation 04.
Halsey about the Sorvad's facility: "No doubt they came to the station for the abundance of ONI excavation data stored there" Excavation data from the Forerunner vessel site in The Package
Oh there's this too lmao: "It may please you to learn the data module Noble Two procured from the Visegrád station contained precisely what my scientist promised: a latchkey discovery. It has unlocked, at last, the secrets of this excavation."
inner basin
So today I made a post on Waypoint discussing Mjolnir-clad Spartan-III Fireteams such as Noble, and I was wondering if I could hear all your thoughts on the subject. If you don’t mind giving it a look, here’s the link - https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/spartan-iii-mjolnir-clad-fireteams/edcb007a-5601-496f-b0b4-71c43b50c21b/posts (Just in case this isn’t allowed, I was unaware considering its Halo Waypoint so I thought it’d be allowed)
prime rivet
So I have played every Halo game but never paid attention to the campaign much. Are the books any good? I'd be interested in understanding the story. Are the books basically more detailed versions of the game, or is the game a different story?
gilded mason
The only book that is a more detailed version of the game is The Flood, which is a more expansive telling of CE. The other books are about other stories in the universe.
And yes, quite a few books are good.
inner basin
^ I second that opinion on the books. Some are meh, but there is quite a good selection too
obsidian thistle
There is isolated stuff linked to the games directly.
But mostly its new content.
versed helm
Like Fall Of Reach, a great Halo novel, where it tells where Chief was during Halo: Reach
potent cargo
And captain keyes before meeting noble and after
Quick question for all
Where do you get most of your halo lore and details besides the books
Is there a more summarized area rather than halo pedia or the other wiki sites
terse lava
Besides halopedia? Books and here
terse lava
Welcome
feral perch
Although this place is more of a lore arena lol
terse lava
shrug works either way
potent cargo
Such heresy in these chambers? sigh
shut cipher
so what do you guys think happened during like the battle of zeat halo for it to get destroyed and chief get yeeted into space
gilded mason
Who knows.
shut cipher
yeah
so at the start of the trailer the ai says something about 4-17-33 if you look it up on google it means a couple of bible verses and they kinda make sense look them up it talks about cleansing and pother things that might strangly relate to halo
versed helm
My guess is Cortana tried activating the rings and Chief stopped her
gilded mason
Why would she, though?
versed helm
To eliminate mankind
gilded mason
Why?
versed helm
I have no idea. But why else destroy a ring if it isn't about to fire?
gilded mason
Perhaps something was on that section of the ring that protagonist forces wanted, and Cortana denied them access.
Or it was a freak accident.
The pilot seemed to frame the destruction of that part of the ring as the protagonists losing.
potent cargo
Perhaps the flood returns in halo ♾
tepid lynx
Just a thought but do any of you wonder what grunts do on the holidays?
uncut compass
Same as everyone else I would imagine, they just go out partying!
tepid lynx
That and bugging the heck out of the elites