Yea
#lore-and-universe
terse lava
wide mulch
I got a question about aggressor sentinels, or material that sentinels are made of in general. What is their capability to resist damage before being destroyed? I know that they can be grossly dispensable in order to deal with the Flood, but I was surprised the more I thought that an assault rifle can actually bring one down. So is a sentinel being taken down by ballistics from small arms meant to simulate the bullet rupturing some internal system, to which then the sentinel A.I self-destructs to deny use? Or am I just overestimating the strength of the sentinels?
solemn void
@keen canopy Hey, man. Is this an accurate picture of Bungie's original idea?
Ah sorry
Can't post pictures
solemn void
terse lava
I believe it was one of the encyclopediad. Claimed that the 12 departed for earth, then later reinforced
solemn void
Oh, yeah! I was fresh off the article ahaha
feral perch
Halo 3 Brutes are clearly slimmer than Reach Brutes....
keen canopy
Not only was the support and excavation fleet he had already sent to Earth commanded exclusively by Brutes, but he would also leverage the abandoned Brutes who had served in Regret's initial fleet.
Anyway, it's usually a bad idea to compare and extrapolate from in-game appearance, as per Grim
terse lava
True
keen canopy
@wide mulch You might be right about UNSC small-arms being unable to pierce Sentinel material
versed helm
Well the count of ships post schism that the covenant had were greatly reduced since most ships were sangheili controlled. I'm surprised 30 made it back to Earth.
terse lava
Almost wonder how truly far it went seeing as some colonies were clearly not even aware of it
quaint hearth
Dude, what would have happened if Emile survived and Noble 6 joined Master Chief on the Pillar of Autumn?
sacred dew
The same thing just more easier
spring fog
decided I'm gonna try and model this for porting into halo reach
once its possible of course
terse lava
Not much really, they would help chief out, Emile liklyy dies to the flood for tragedy while 6 detonates the reactors
spring fog
just a rough model that I'm just experimenting with, but I kinda like how its turning out
versed helm
So anyway guys
I deleted my Ex-Thot
on Discord and Steam
then I tried to Re-Add her back
Heart.
And Steel
Affairs
and
Copper
Heart and Steel.
There's a 3rd
element
Heart, Fire, Steel.
terse lava
Hardlight and forerunner metals
versed helm
Heart, Guts, and Steel*
Soldiers got Guts...
they wear their Heart in their guts.. and their guts .. and their made out of steeel
Like a Soldier should be..
Guts made out of Steel
And they keep their Heart in their Guts
that way they don't fall ill emotionally and mentally because the acids
melting the heart slowly
terse lava
They are
If you mean sentinels, were met as the bottom barrel flood defense during the ga km act wide battle with them
cedar ore
Reading through Marathons tvtropes page, it’s kinda interesting to see the stuff that Bungie put in halo from marathon
Like AI Rampancy, Mjolnir, Cyborg super strong protagonist
sacred dew
Sentinels are literally janitors
terse lava
Question, can ancient humanity truly be considered tier 1, as one of the qualifications for that was the ability to craft worlds? Humans apparently never worked on any mega engineering at that time
sacred dew
Well remember we don't know that much about AH other than that they rivalled the forerunners technologically so maybe they did . like the covenant created a moon sized city and there only tier 4 or five
versed helm
what exactly are buggers
gilded mason
like the covenant created a moon sized city and there only tier 4 or five
Tier 2
what exactly are buggers
Yanme'e
terse lava
@sacred dewyep the lord of admirals' biggest boast tech wise was that humanity had fancy trains/trams that could go around a world. When confronted by chakas if they had ever made as anything like a halo, he remained silent
potent cargo
I found it strange how the ancient humans followed an almost a theocratic style hierarchy system (without the gods) rather than modern humans
Though I have to admit the names such as lord of admirals was fantastic
inner raft
so since 4 revealed what forerunners looked like, do you think we will see the same with precursors? I know that the lore at least implies that they became the flood but maybe like a non-flood precursor might show up in the games?
fair hazel
We know what some precursors look like
potent cargo
Ive seen fan art but is there an actual photo of them?
fair hazel
And warfleet
quaint hearth
precursors kinda quirky doe 👀
stable cedar
Wait, but the precursors ARE tge flood. Just mutated by years of exile.
versed helm
The last living precursor was the primordial
The wiki entry for it has the artwork
versed helm
yup
Bornstellar kills the last primordial
But then they find out that the flood is the precursors
and everything goes to HECK
keen canopy
@versed helm btw I reccomend you use Halopedia, it's more up to date, better sourced and has an optional theme that's similar to old Halo Nation if that's what you prefer
thorn storm
tanks for the tip
hasty locust
Does anyone know if the fall of reach reissue had any changes to the actual story, cause there’s a few things there that i dont seem to remember from 2001 but my memory is garbage so.
Also im guessing game lore takes priority over book canon like how halo reach retconned quite a bit
unique rune
Game lore used to be prioritized over other media.
Since the franchise was handed over to 343, all lore stuff is supposed to be of equal priority.
Pretty sure Fall of Reach reissues generally just corrected some minor errors and early installment weirdness, no major story changes.
hasty locust
K, so just my memory, thanks
inner basin
The reissue as far as I can remember changed the number of Spartan-IIs recalled for Red Flag as well as how many died and how many were part of Red Team. But I’d image there’s other things that I cannot remember
hasty locust
There was only one generation of spartan 2’s correct?
inner basin
Yeah
inner basin
There was supposed to be a generation 2 which included Nicole-458 but that lore is a bit wonky in the canon atm so it’s largely ignored
visual fiber
hmm, i don't recall ever seeing anything about a second gen of spartan 2's
hasty locust
https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_Program here it lists 42/32 spartan 2 survivors
A second gen was planned
inner basin
@hasty locust I would recommend using Halopedia over Halo Wiki as Halopedia overall has much greater support as well as it being kept up-to-date. Although if you prefer Wiki, by all means
stoic hamlet
It was planned but never saw fruition.
And yeah, Halopedia best wiki
Fandom isn’t bad, but Halopedia is the most curated
hasty locust
The page was updated 9/19/2019 so i counted it as a reliable source
41 on halopedia
Nvm 42 aswell
inner basin
Quick backstory. Essentially the original Halopedia team used to be under Fandom, but didn’t like how the site was, so created Halopedia, then what remained of Halo Wiki earlier this year merged with Halopedia as they also started to have a negative outlook to Halo Wiki and so merged. Halopedia now has far greater support than Halo Fandom Wiki
hasty locust
So unless some “washouts” has their injuries fixed and such there are too many spartans hmm
inner basin
But back to the Gen 2 Spartan 2 talk. It was planned, but never happened due to there not being enough funds as Humanity was at war with the Covies and on top of that Halsey couldn’t find enough candidates. The only reason Gen 1 Spartan 2s happened was because Humanity has the funds as they were not at risk of total annihilation and there was a large selection of candidates. As for Nicole-458 her canonical status is up in the air for the time being. Her numbers could perhaps be changed to something else to make her canonical status at least eligible.
That should be enough detail
stoic hamlet
Maker her Alpha Company and change her backstory and it works.
obsidian thistle
Actually
Technically (and its very much a technicality) Spartan-II class 2 "can" happen. All you need to do is make it that Halsey became disconnected to the Program after she tried to stop it. (She selected candidates but were disapointed by them)
stoic hamlet
Ghosts of Onyx has the line about her funds being diverted to the III’s though.
Specifically because she wouldn’t play ball with the selected candidates.
terse lava
Wasn't the reason she declined the 2nd generation of candidates Due to their genes Not being in her criteria
obsidian thistle
Well diverted in 2531. Doesnt mean diverted forever 😉
And Halseys version didnt happen purely cause Halsey was disapointed in them
No context
Just that
So really Class 2 can happen. They may not even be named Class 2 😉
It could be Javelin or some other unnamed project
hasty locust
With the 4’s i dont think they have a use for 2 gen 2
terse lava
I disagree
obsidian thistle
That said SIVs didnt happen till 2550 at the very least.
And if Class 2 happened prior to that.
terse lava
Come to think of it, wouldn't current lore claim that the first gen candidates had more ancient humanity " genea" in them
Genes
Less devolved
obsidian thistle
Not that I know
unique rune
IIRC the Hellcat armor's description mentions that Spartan-IIs are more compatible with it
might be wrong on that
obsidian thistle
Yea but that doesnt mean they have more ancient humanity in them xD
unique rune
I mean, yeah, not necessarily, but I think it at least implies it a little
carmine sleet
Given how long ago ancient humanity were about and how much smaller of a gap there is between the S-IIs and the S-IVs relative to that. It would be a bit of a stretch to say that the S-IIs are closer to ancient humanity
obsidian thistle
Just so y'all outside of this convo can keep up https://www.halopedia.org/HELLCAT-class_Mjolnir
terse lava
Like how they say variant, yet looks like they literally took the helmet and repainted it
Still, love the lore of it
hasty locust
I meant economically in the modern halo universe they would have no need to produce more spartan 2’s when you can churn out 100’s of spartan 4’s for the same price
obsidian thistle
Well in the post 2553 Haloverse yes.
carmine sleet
Within the Human-Covenant War, it would be more viable for them to make a class 2 though
terse lava
Actually, why didn't they mass produce the hellcat? Why bother with any of the other hundreds of armors outside of that and heilioskrill?
obsidian thistle
We dont know if they did or didnt.
Thats the issue with most Halo 5 sets.
We only have 2 sentences for most of them.
3 if you are lucky like Icarus 😉
terse lava
Truly makes me.wonder how effective ancient humanity was armor and weapon wise.
2.5
Not that major of an upgrade in the eyes of the eyes of the forerunner
wide glen
Does Humanity still hold the mantle of responsiblity?
carmine sleet
They never held it in the first place
wide glen
Oh oof
carmine sleet
Anyway, the Mantle is a flawed concept that shouldn't be inherited since it basically advocates the idea that one race is superior to all the others, which is just wrong
wide glen
Ah true dat
So is there a proper way to end the flood?
Halo rings didnt really work right
carmine sleet
The only reason why the Flood came back was because the Forerunners wanted to study them and had facilities that housed the parasite. The only way to defeat the Flood is to kill its food as of right now
wide glen
When the halo rings activated,were they wiped as well,since they are technically organic
carmine sleet
It wouldn't have killed the spores though
Those spores would've died from the lack of things to infect
fair hazel
Humanity is still the inheritor of the mantle
proper plover
if you do a handstand and relieve yourself on halo does it fall to the other side?
stable cedar
No, youll get it all over you
inner basin
Why would you do it in the first place? Real question
rigid sundial
For the science
normal goblet
How does cryosleep work?
inner basin
Where to begin?
deft knot
They freeze the tissue to prevent decay and then it uses state of the art life support to keep them alive @normal goblet
normal goblet
Neat!
deft knot
If you want more detail there should be plenty of lore vids on YouTube
quaint hearth
did covenant have schools for alien kids?
gilded mason
I assume so.
terse lava
Would have had too. Teach their young how to fight, how to reverse the forerunners and the journey, and on the covenant's own past
We have the war colleges on sangheilios, and a seminary for unggoy deacons in high charity
versed helm
@keen canopy I prefer halopedia, it just happened to be the first like I saw on a quick google search
keen canopy
Yep, one thing fandom is good for lol
quaint hearth
how come elite hate human but they speak english?
gilded mason
It's useful.
keen canopy
There is also ONI translation firmware in use at various times
They're not always speaking English when we can understand them.
quaint hearth
Were all elites meanies, or were there some in the Covenant that didnt hate humans?
gilded mason
It's a huge population, so there's gonna be an accordingly large variation.
unique rune
For the most part Sangheili saw humans as below them, IIRC.
So it’s not really hate so much as it is a feeling of superiority.
gilded mason
We know that by the final years of the war, there was a growing population of Sangheili that were sympathetic to humans.
terse lava
A pity the hierarchs jumped to conclusions too quickly
Actually, wonder how far the covenant truly got into robotics. Limits were placed on them obviously, and taboos made to prevent full sentient ai, but broken circle does tell us robots helped build high charity
inner basin
They did also have engineers to assist them in building things so don’t forget to factor that in when coming to a conclusion
terse lava
Yes, and they likely did, bit they did not make huragok and they would not be considered robotic either
keen canopy
@quaint hearth Growing Sangheili respect towards humans was the biggest factor in Truth planning the Great Schism.
feral perch
Uh no
tawdry galleon
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QbJP0LkPeB8hAiwy4qC3FJNDHyYfXSHW6IscIhGlo2Y/edit
Comment if you think there's any notable names I should add onto the "WALL OF HONOR" for the Voi Memorial
feral perch
No
fervent crow
ok, to prevent being removed again, I'll phrase it differently. By using the logic of Sangheili believing they are superior to humans, can we consider them Space "National Socialist Party"?
keen canopy
Truth knew that they would see through his lies eventually, they had already begun to question why Humanity wasn't offered a place in the Covenant despite being more formidable than Grunts and Jackals.
@fervent crow No.
tawdry galleon
For my Voi Memorial wall I redacted the names of all SPARTAN-IIIs excluding NOBLE Team due to the secrecy of the program. I added the names of NOBLE Team on there since I saw a picture of a Noble Team statue on Reach built after the war, so I assumed their names were declassified.
I also added the names of Captain Cutter and the Spirit of Fire crew, since at the time of the dedication of the Voi Memorial, the Spirit of Fire was still deemed "lost with all hands."
terse lava
Neat
buoyant yarrow
what does post domain resurrection mean
why does cortana look like a actual physical human being in halo 5
quaint hearth
graphics probably made cortana look like human being
gilded mason
what does post domain resurrection mean
It means she is no longer at risk of dying of Rampancy thanks to the Domain.
deft knot
Basically cortana linked up with the domain and she’s not rampant anymore but she is evil
Yeah
He was pretty useless
Yup
Umm that pretty much raps it up chief
normal goblet
How do Sangheili sleep? do they sleep lying down?
fair hazel
what's the complaint about?
and 'singularity'?
glorified guard dog, what is that suppose to mean? And whatever thing he has on it's back isn't explicitly stated. Might be some slipspace related thing, since it pulls him, but it's conjecture.
The guardian is given a Warden, okay, how is that something bad/
Why is it a waste?
And his role with cortana is something much later than what he was made for
Also exuberant witness points out to osiris that he's not a robot
potent cargo
The Warden does seen a bit rushed with no background that seems to be wanted by 343 to be a big deal as an enemy but has very little story to back him up as a big deal
terse lava
Never considered this before, but could the warden perhaps be a composed forerunner from the precursor war era? Made in a similar way to what happened.with tragic solitude? A warrior unknowly making penance
potent cargo
But he isn't a robot he is an actual being
@terse lava
And how the forerunners operate he probably is a composed warrior servant
terse lava
Composed forerunners wouldn't be robots
potent cargo
Maybe a criminal given an opportunity to rectify himself could be
terse lava
Just a thought either way rather then him bring the didact
My thoughts exactly, this hin being a forerunner warrior from the time of the forerunner rebellion
potent cargo
Which actually brings a thought I had. Was there any more info on the forerunners who refused to help murder the precursors and lived far away with their own natural domain that was discovered by the librarian and her lifeworkers?
terse lava
Just what was in silentiym
solemn cloak
ya
terse lava
Well..they sid all die
potent cargo
I dont know what your talking about ....sweats nervously
terse lava
Good going faber
potent cargo
Don't act like you haven't murdered many marines and civilians either @terse lava
terse lava
No civie blood on my hands. Marines?.....
Come to think of it the forerunners could have survived had they just been allowed to go to the lesser Ark..
potent cargo
or made individual cryptums
terse lava
Well that likely would have been too much for what I assume Was billions of Forrunners arriving at the greater Ark.
terse lava
As the library and said the foreigner population and some of the other collected races could have escaped on the Halo had They've been put there in the 1st place weeks prior to the battle of the greater Ark.
potent cargo
It's just crazy to think everything got wiped out that quickly
potent cargo
there was a single massive gravemind directing that correct?
terse lava
The fleet or the precursor relics
potent cargo
Both bc isnt the flood a hivemind
terse lava
Mendicant bias was in charge of the fleet, multiple grave mines were also on that fleet and also controlling the precursor artifacts
potent cargo
Ahh mendicant forgot about that sneaky bugger
stoic hamlet
Flood is a hivemind after a particular threshold ye
potent cargo
Wait when the flood gets almost wiped out and later regains it's strength after growing does it retain the same knowledge as it did before?
potent cargo
Then that means the flood in the modern era knows how to control precursors weapons and artifacts
So why haven't they?
terse lava
- Because they haven't to reached enough critical mass ever to do that And because there are no more precursor artifacts in the Galaxy
terse lava
It's shown in the 3rd for in a novel
potent cargo
Wait what
terse lava
It's shown why halos destroy precursor relics
potent cargo
Ahh I just overlooked it
terse lava
That's fine
sacred dew
Precursor objects are made of neural physics,
Halo radiation destroys neural physics
terse lava
Yep
tacit helm
you think they could of made to halo rings just target flood bio mass or did it have to wipe the galaxy ?
agile dragon
If they could have made it to only target the flood, they would have
I doubt they wanted to wipe themselves out if they could have avoided it
fair hazel
Short answer. No
tacit helm
is that mentioned in a book? I'm sure i'm not the only one who thought this
agile dragon
It feels like a common sense thing, would you purposely wipe out yourself along with your enemies if you could wipe out only your enemies and you can just walk away from it?
The forerunners were fighting desperately to survive the entire time.
quaint hearth
guys i have a little stupid question. how many colors are there for elite and grunt armor?
gilded mason
We've got blue, red, gold, white, silver, black, and purple off the top of my head for Elites.
carmine sleet
There's orange Officer Elites in Reach
terse lava
@agile dragonthe reason for not only targeting flood was that they had no clue if there were.more flood outside the galaxy. Had thaat happened, with new waves of flood arriving at later dates,the parasite, being precursor remnants, might become immune eventually after more then one pulse.
lean flame
There’s also green
carmine sleet
I don't recall green Elites appearing in any of the games
feral perch
Green Phantoms, but not Elites
quaint hearth
why are elite good in halo 3, but elite bad in halo 4?
gilded mason
The ones in Halo 4 are part of Jul's faction that have their own goals.
quaint hearth
hold up. there's elites called Juul?
gilded mason
There is a single Elite named Jul 'Mdama. Yes.
quaint hearth
huh
tacit helm
must activate the big vape ring
fiery sierra
What idiot actually designed the vehicles in Halo?
Dont get me wrong, some of them I love for all their charm
But they are really stupid
The Wraith is pathetic
Its on a WW1 level of tank design
Cant figure out what the hell it is -
Shoots a massive plasma turd at a nerf gun velocity
Relies on traverse to aim the gun
Meaning it has to expose its entire side every time
And absolutely hopeless against the UNSC scorpion tank for good reason
stoic hamlet
Are you equating it to gameplay or lore? @fiery sierra
Gameplay yeah it’s not great
Lorewise it’s terrifying
fiery sierra
Gameplay its dumb Lorewise its dumb
From an artillery bombard standpoint ok youve got huge plasma turds being used as mortar fire on positions
But the covenant should really have a designated anti tank tank lmao
Because the scorpion is superior in like every way
Because in comparison to the Wraith, the scorpion is a WW2 tank, the wraith is essentially a faster more agile WW1 tank
stoic hamlet
The projectiles move much faster in lore, and their destructive capabilities are also greatly enhanced.
In lore, the projectile vaporizes/flash incinerates anything in a 6 metre radius, and it has a further twenty metre radius where the heat will fuse armour to skin and boil you alive.
And yeah in lore it’s not used as an MBT. It’s always used as an artillery gun. The Covenant have a very Infantry dominated fighting style.
fiery sierra
Modern MBTs being better than the Scorpion is also dumb
gilded mason
In lore, the projectile vaporizes/flash incinerates anything in a 6 metre radius
I think Oblivion actually confirmed it vaporized everything in a 20 meter radius
fiery sierra
I guess that modern 40mph requirement was used up on the pointless quad track
Because the Scorpion has the top speed of something like a sherman
Both tanks are automated I guess
Which is something they have for things made 500 years in the future
I dont think alot of thought was put into vehicles or weapons in the Halo universe
The type of stuff you would sketch out in maths class
But I guess thats part of the charm
I mean unless you are right in someones face, the Wraith is doodoo
Which is funny because its clearly supposed to be some sort of long range artillery thing
dull fox
the vehicles presented in the games =/= the vehicles in the lore due to the need to balance the games to make them fun
fiery sierra
The weapons and vehicles arent balanced though
Many covenant weapons are complete poop
In a DEEP LORE perspective okay, maybe the Wraiths huge turd is like a mini nuke and it flies faster than a dodge ball
But you have human weapons using bullets with hitscan being more effective than soppy plasma balls with like 150m/s velocity
quaint hearth
how is the flood contained in the milky way galaxy? wouldnt they can they go to other galaxies in deep space and infect those?
gilded mason
That was a concern, yes. I think it's one reason why the Foreunners kept Flood in quarantine to perhaps one day find a better solution.
terse lava
@feral perchrangers in halo 2A wear green harnesses
feral perch
Huh, I guess they do
stoic hamlet
Again, @fiery sierra That’s gameplay.
In lore plasma pistols have been known to take out fully shielded Spartans in two shots because it’s plasma.
A glancing hit can kill you.
We’ve seen limbs removed from plasma rifle bolts.
A single needle can take your jaw off, never mind a super combine explosion.
inner basin
And Spartans were able to mostly avoid fire just because of how they have superhuman-like reflexes post-augmentation
This is more heavily emphasised when Chief and Cortana are tested to see how the integration was and how combat effective he was as well as if pairing him with an AI enhanced his performance
exotic lagoon
wait
rigid sundial
Covenant stuff in lore is wild
sacred dew
Praise the food nipple
stoic hamlet
Weird in what way? @rigid sundial
terse lava
?
gilded mason
Mendicant Bias gave them bias against it
sacred dew
Aren't there Als crazy?
terse lava
The covenant refused to upgrade to smart AI because they know the tale of Mendicant bias. They do AI they are just more basic
versed helm
dude... is oni like the space NSA?
keen canopy
One of their AI's in the Halo CEA terminals implied that he knew that *the Covenant were about to release the Flood, and that he wanted that to happen so that the Flood would kill them all and it would be free.
feral perch
I think that's one interpretation
keen canopy
My mistake, it was the flood, not the rings, I misremembered.
tacit helm
Wasn’t there a smart AI in first strike?
tawdry galleon
I'm over halfway through the book Halo: First Strike and...wow...Pulaski, Locklear, and Haverson died. After all that stuff they went through on the Battle of Installation 04 - escaping Reach, fighting the Covenant on the ring, surviving the Flood, becoming the only survivors of a crew complement of over 800 - they then got killed later on. It's like GoT - except for Master Chief, no one's safe in the Halo universe lol.
So really - only three people survived the Battle of Installation 04 - Chief, Cortana, and Johnson. Well, you can count good 'ol Sergeant Stacker and Chips Dubbo on that list too, but well, they're kinda everywhere at once haha
sharp adder
Johnson one of the last Spartan ones
terse lava
Eh
tawdry galleon
Johnson had a fitting end - he was there at the start of the Human-Covenant War and there when it ended. He saw it all the way through.
tawdry galleon
I guess you could say, like Chief, Johnson also stayed around to "Finish the Fight"
sharp adder
yes he did but do you knw why MGulity spark actually tried to kill them
tawdry galleon
I still can't believe only 3-5 people made it off Alpha Halo alive. Halo: CE and its expanded universe battle is like an episode of GoT - "Who will die this episode? Will anyone make it out alive? Probably not. Stay tuned for the next episode..."
sharp adder
did you know that guilty spark was and had ramphancy
feral perch
@tawdry galleon They died because Bungie didn’t like being stuck with characters that weren’t explicitly their own creation. ODSTs almost weren’t in Halo 2 because Bungie thought it would be too difficult for players to comprehend what they were.
sharp adder
resally i found then easy to comperhend what they are and where
terse lava
@feral perchhow did they figure that
feral perch
They were introduced in The Fall of Reach, not in a game, and you know how Bungie felt about novels...
terse lava
True
People may bash 343 on games, but books and lore a pure gold mine
Unlike bungie
mystic bison
stoic hamlet
Saying this with the utmost respect, but like, really, Bungie’s lore policies were moronic, they failed to realize Halo was more than just a game series.....many fans also fail to realize this even today.
terse lava
Yep
Look at what we got in warfleet alone
Bungie didnt really care about lore, which was not a bad thing per say. But annoying for lore fans
gleaming mauve
RIP Sarge
Also while i agree the bungie lore was lacking, they definitely made the best games in the series
last anchor
Bungie had their way of doing things and it worked out fine for them when they were a small studio, but they didnt really think Halo would turn into what it is now.
No ones fault really, it just was. If their tradeoff was that they made really solid games? Thats a fair one.
I, personally, prefer the current situation, with many books to throw at people in need of lore or backing for crossover material, but I respet those who stand by the original works.
gleaming mauve
I can agree with that
versed helm
Hey can any of you lore nerds anwser a question for me
Why is it that in halo 1, the chief has visible trouble controlling the recoil with the M6D but the crewmembers (the dudes in the colored pajamas) can hold it with one hand without getting their arms broken
drowsy wind
Y'all think the Believe ads are still canon?
versed helm
Prolly not
drowsy wind
They insinuate some stuff about the Chief's fate that eould really lock them down
versed helm
Yeah, that's probably why. That, and i don't see anywhere where the believe trailer for 3 could fit into the timeline.
drowsy wind
They take place 2607-2610 IIRC.
carmine sleet
The Believe adverts are still canon
That's because gameplay doesn't equate as an accurate representation of canon @versed helm
drowsy wind
The creators of the campaign were not informed of the story of Halo 3, leading to multiple inconsistencies with the story depicted in Believe, and the game's story. Due to this, no aspect of the marketing campaign can be considered canon.
carmine sleet
Where did you find that?
carmine sleet
You'd be better off using Halopedia instead, much more accurate wiki
drowsy wind
Well, that makes it more interesting. From Halopedia
The creators of the campaign were not informed of the story of Halo 3,[citation needed] leading to multiple inconsistencies with the narrative depicted in Believe and the game's story. However, according to Jeff Easterling on September 9, 2018 it was canon "for now".[4]
carmine sleet
Grim says it's canon so it's canon
drowsy wind
That's interesting. It's implied that Chief died in that battle, which seems to be the Battle of Mombassa. However, we know he didn't die in that battle(obviously). Was it another battle in the future, where we're still battling the "Covenant"? Or was it another Spartan people mistook for 117. There's also some dates which are wrong.
obsidian thistle
Actually here is a few notes
- It was never said the Spartan died.
- It happens after Halo 2s Metropolis level. For 7 days starting in October. So the max range where that 7 days go is October 20-November 6 2552.
- This means it cant be John who was there, and the Spartan being called John can be any Spartan who was on Earth. Plenty candidates around for that role till John got back for the Battle of Voi.
Noting all that. Nothing be wrong. Bar the assumption that the museum isnt lying on the John-117 detail.
versed helm
Maybe something from Infinite? What are you guys talking about?
somber tiger
I have a theory about why chief went back to his old armor, my theory is that chief went back to OG mark 6 because his modified version reminded him of cortana(I think she worked on it between 3-4, I’m not 100% sure) now that she is evil, he can’t stand wearing the armor.
terse lava
@versed helm the halo 3 Mombasa diorama
versed helm
Thanks Ado 'Ulamee
@somber tiger That is a possible theory but it may also be because Cortana alternated Chief's armour, which may have caused them to believe that Cortana could control his armor. Either that or your theory.
gilded mason
She only updated the firmware of his pre-Halo 5 armor. Afterwards, he wore a new set. Though his Gen3 armor does apparently have anti-AI programs on it.
versed helm
There is that chip thing from the trailer that's supposed to carry an AI.
Maybe it's supposed to carry Cortana so Halsey can fix her.
gilded mason
so Halsey can fix her.
Hopefully not.
gilded mason
It'd be pretty silly, narrative-wise. We already lost the real Cortana just earlier in Halo 4 and then suddenly got a Rampant fragment that killed millions in Halo 5. Having the fragment suddenly not evil anymore would just be way too weird.
versed helm
True.
But either she dies in Infinite, or she's turned good, which is wierd
weird*
So she's most likely going to die in Infinite
gilded mason
And to be honest, even with her dying again in Infinite, it'd still kinda just be a worse retreat of her dying in Halo 4.
versed helm
True.
It's most likely that Chief will get a copy of her and the fragment will get killed.
gilded mason
Chief will get a copy of her
What do you mean?
versed helm
Like, Halsey will make another Cortana.
versed helm
I don't like it either, but it's possible
Probably another completely different AI
In the very first Infinite trailer, Chief puts a chip into his chip inserter (Not mouth, it's an AI chip)
Its serial code on it is not Cortana's but only on digit higher.
So possibly, it's an AI similar to Cortana, but with slight differences.
Idk, anything's possible at this point.
terse lava
Would take a shard of mendicant bias, offensive bias, BB, even Cortana's older "sister," over cortana
terse lava
Was there
versed helm
Was?
gilded mason
He's not, anymore.
terse lava
Yes, was, he was taken off the ring during the events of the 2nd forerunner book
versed helm
Actually?
gilded mason
He was on the Ark and the Keyship
terse lava
Yep
gilded mason
Later on
versed helm
I see. And Cortana was talking about Mendicant Bias on High Charity
gilded mason
Yes
versed helm
So maybe Mendicant's on the Ark.
terse lava
Maybe other shards elsewhere but the main one was locked on the ark, with a smaller shard sneaking out via keysheop
gilded mason
He was. We talked to him a bit in Halo 3
versed helm
True, thru the terminals
terse lava
Though there will be the problem however if he died or not. He seemed to think he would
versed helm
True, Mendicant has been forgotten during the latest Halo games
And maybe he did die
It's uncertain
But is Offensive on 07 or gone? I forgot
Or is he on the Ark
?
gilded mason
His current whereabouts are unknown
versed helm
I see
So Offensive is MIA, Mendicant is fragmented, the largest on the Ark, and the others elsewhere, and Cortana is fragmented also, her main fragment enlsaving the galaxy, with Noble Six watching from his cave on Reach, regretting his actions.
And Chief is at I07 trying to combat Cortana w/ what is maybe an Offensive AI of Cortana.
A brief summary, but a long one.
gilded mason
Though we've really got no idea there. The thing at the end of the trailer might not even really mean anything.
versed helm
True. But I'm talking about the second trailer w/ Brohammer on the Pelican
The starting custcene
The Bring Hope trailer
There, they give a truckload of info on what's happening
gilded mason
Oh, do you mean that audio easter egg?
gilded mason
Yeah
gilded mason
Nah, that's something else
gilded mason
This thing:
https://youtu.be/dODTc7VsCJs?t=39s
versed helm
I see.
Possibly the Gravemind infection thing that happened during H3
What's it called, I forgot....
Maybe she got infected by the Flood by Gravemind, which is why she disabled the galaxy, and now the Flood has released.
(Why didn't the Banished simply glass High Charity?)
lunar condor
You mean logic plague
carmine sleet
The Banished contained the Flood from High Charity after they accidentally released them and they can't glass High Charity as there's a Forerunner shield that's been built around it
Plus, they lost Enduring Conviction
drowsy wind
@obsidian thistle I'd love to talk more about that sometime. It seems like a minor bit of lore rn considering what's happening, but...
They never say he died, but they imply it pretty heavily. Talking about the empty coffin, the MIA vs KIA.
obsidian thistle
Ya know the burial happens in 2590 right 😉
And the burial can be for numerous reasons.
For say... the fake death in October 2558 shown here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UvLrsxjg30
Aka tldr: Context can change with later lore 🙂
humble yacht
that trailer isn't canon though because it had an alternate version and the two cannot exist simultaneously
also not all trailers are canon, in general
fair hazel
Not that one. You must be thinking of the other ones.
obsidian thistle
You are thinking about "All Hail" and "The Cost".
Which both cant happen.
There is only 1 version of "A Hero Falls".
There is technically 2 versions of "The Hunt Begins". Though its 1 line difference. And that versions was only revealed via other companies and no official places.
*And yes "The Hunt Begins" can work.
When you remember that Osiris wasnt actually told about Cortana at all till the Warden mentions her. All Osiris had prior to that was hunt Chief essentially and whatever the limited edition and that trailer said.
So tldr: "All Hail" and "The Cost" are not canon. "A Hero Falls" and "The Hunt Begins" are.
gilded mason
"A Hero Falls" and "The Hunt Begins" are.
Are the visuals depicted canon, though? Because they don't exactly fit anywhere.
obsidian thistle
Well they do work. Just require a lot of heavy thinking.
Like
Blue team essentially ran from the Mining site to Meridian Station. They very likely didnt enter the Mines at all. (We know this as Blue team entered the mines via the Meridian Station way)
Yes I know its essentially dumb Blue team didnt take the way closer route and went through a unnamed Settlement where "parts" of the Guardian were.
(You could headcanon it was to try and help the civilians as much as they could before the Guardian left)
gilded mason
But they teleported to Genesis.
obsidian thistle
You misunderstand.
xD
The Trailers happen in numerous parts of the Meridian levels.
(Its really messy to think about)
Osiris being in a Pelican in (The Hunt Begins) happens before Osiris leave their pelican to go down the orbital elevator in Glassed.
Blue Team running through the settlement in both "The Hunt Begins" and "A Hero Falls" happens when Orisis is in the mines during the Earthquakes in the Unconfirmed level.
And the News segment just plainly happens after the Meridian events but before Cortana does her take over.
@gilded mason make sense?
versed helm
Offensive Bias and Keyminds
obsidian thistle
Blue team just make the odd choice of not entering the mines straight away. And go to Meridian Station to enter that way.
versed helm
Loooore
gilded mason
Nope. I was fine with the news segment, but the Blue Team one still still looks not right. They landed their prowler right outside the mine entrance and then entered the area striahgt to the portal area, from what the level seems to indicate
obsidian thistle
Well... even the Game disagrees with that. xD
gilded mason
Hm?
obsidian thistle
Do you remember how Osiris got out of the mines?
gilded mason
Nope.
obsidian thistle
Its the same way Blue team got in.
You can see that here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWnB_o2_5dY
novel lagoon
Maybe but they went through some portals
gilded mason
But when Osiris entered the mines, they briefly wondered about why Blue Team never encountered Prometheans until they realized they were never attacked by them.
Which narratively means they went the same way Osiris did
obsidian thistle
But thats them assuming Blue team went that way.
gilded mason
There would be no reason to have that line if not
obsidian thistle
The game never actually specifically said Blue team went through there
novel lagoon
Yea
gilded mason
It's to show that Cortana made sure the Prometheans wouldn't hurt them yet
novel lagoon
Or maybe they just never went that way
We some them enter at the end through a portal
obsidian thistle
Well again why would Blue team enter from Meridian Station?
Thats the big mystery.
gilded mason
obsidian thistle
That trailer is all we have.
gilded mason
Here's the dialogue in question
novel lagoon
Wait blue teams ship was there right
obsidian thistle
Yea that isnt confirmation that Blue team went through the mines.
gilded mason
Buck is clearly supposed to be the voice of "truth" here.
obsidian thistle
Or if they did. They went back out again and went to Meridian station.
gilded mason
That's kinda just silly.
novel lagoon
What if it’s all just a narrative hole
novel lagoon
True
obsidian thistle
The "why" is the hole here.
novel lagoon
Yea maybe
obsidian thistle
Or maybe Blue team decided to try and assist civilians who would very likely die when the Guardian arose from its slumber.
gilded mason
who would very likely die when the Guardian arose from its slumber.
When was this?
novel lagoon
No it seams like blue team just kinda ran though kinda implied by the trailers
novel lagoon
Yea but they just ran past everyone
obsidian thistle
By then they were likely in a rush.
If the Guardian was rising, they needed to catch-a-ride fast.
novel lagoon
Yea it feels a bit out of character for chief how always helped marines in the games
obsidian thistle
But tbh this is just assumptions based on something Halo 5 doesnt explain, and the Trailers half explain.
novel lagoon
Yea and halo 5 did have some misleading marketing
obsidian thistle
That wasnt misleading lol. Just odd.
gilded mason
If the Guardian was rising, they needed to catch-a-ride fast.
When would this be, though?
novel lagoon
Kinda it felt like it would be a fight between chief and lock but Th at only happened in one sense
obsidian thistle
I explained. When Orisis was in the mines. Earthquakes happened. The logic being the Earthquakes "was" the events in that Trailers with Blue team.
Cant happen at any other time.
novel lagoon
Yea I know just saying that overall it felt a bit misleading
gilded mason
I...just don't buy it, sorry.
novel lagoon
Don’t buy what
gilded mason
The Blue Team thing.
novel lagoon
I think that it’s a bit inclusive there are a couple options
novel lagoon
Agreed
gilded mason
Also that.
obsidian thistle
The "city" aint in Halo 5.
versed helm
It looked human, like New Mombasa
novel lagoon
Except it didn’t have the style of meridian
versed helm
True, @obsidian thistle
obsidian thistle
And its very possible it was merely off-screen the whole time.
novel lagoon
But the planet was still under construction so there wouldn’t be big city’s
versed helm
True also
novel lagoon
There still clearing all the glass
versed helm
So Blue Team either teleported away, but arrived at Genesis
gilded mason
And the Guardian didn't actually rise until after Blue Team already left.
versed helm
Yes
Because Cortana was controlling them
And the Prometheans
Cause she also had control over the Domains
Domain*
novel lagoon
But they didn’t go the way the Osiris did since we see them come through a portal
At the end of the level
versed helm
True
They go through a different one, rather than the giant one
One of the smaller ones
obsidian thistle
I did say "parts" of the Guardian. As I dont recall the Trailer showing the full thing rise. Only at most part of a wing.
gilded mason
Even that would be too much
versed helm
Plus, it was live-action
So it wasn't possible to just smack the whole thingamajigger in the trailer, it'd cost too much
novel lagoon
This is so confusing
novel lagoon
Can someone clarify what blue team was doing on meridian
gilded mason
Cortana told them to go there. So they went.
obsidian thistle
It had these Meridian Cams that had Chief in them. The Season 2 Blog had em on it. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvBcLjYFJz57wdEcLwDl3WQ_32Gaekm7Z
gilded mason
Dunno. I headcanon that Sloan directed them there
novel lagoon
Yea maybe
obsidian thistle
So the trailer has more basis for canon with that...
Whether you like it or not.
gilded mason
¯_(ツ)_/¯
obsidian thistle
Yea... (if it means anything I wish Blue team were just in the mines, and Osiris just got lucky with the Meridian Station portal pad.)
novel lagoon
Trailers aren’t cannon but Th e hunt Th e truth was
gilded mason
Just consider it non-canon trailers then
obsidian thistle
The trailers are canon.
Cause that still has John running through the settlement
novel lagoon
No there meant to hype up the game the chef shooting lock wasn’t cannon
obsidian thistle
Oh that trailers
gilded mason
I just see that as trailer synergy. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
novel lagoon
What I am trying to say is that the trailers are allteres version sometimes of what happens
obsidian thistle
Well they work. And I know they work. xD
novel lagoon
Well gtg
gilded mason
Also, I don't recall any earthquakes during the Osiris level in the mines. Only after Blue Team left did they start. Unless there's a scene I didn't notice.
obsidian thistle
Oh there is. :) I'll get the footage for ya shortly if you want.
obsidian thistle
https://youtu.be/IhKbvhgxUdk at 10:30
obsidian thistle
One even happens after the Warden is defeated.
gilded mason
So right before Blue Team is in Osiris' sights?
obsidian thistle
Yep
gilded mason
I don't really see Blue Team going through the mines, feeling a short earthquake and saying "We gotta turn around and help civilians all the way in the settlement!" and then quickly coming right back.
obsidian thistle
As said I personally doubt they went into the mines. And merely ran to Meridian Station.
obsidian thistle
I'll look at it
versed helm
OOf
Well Blue Team went to Meridian cause Cortana said to go there, and Chief believed Cortana was there so they came and failed
gilded mason
Anyway, previous message:
I guess that's the impasse, because for me, Buck's lines are meant to show that Blue Team wasn't resisted, just like with the Warden later also saying that Blue Team had free reign to go to the Guardian chamber.
obsidian thistle
Well both sets of lines dont say outright Blue Team passed.
Thats the key thing ;)
gilded mason
Oh you. 😏
versed helm
hold up. Is sgt johnson being in odst canon? I thought he was on the amber clad when it jumped into slipspace chasing regrets ship.
obsidian thistle
Well you "can" ignore the trailer. But then you still have the issue of Blue team going to Meridian Station that Halo 5 still gives xD
gilded mason
But then you still have the issue of Blue team going to Meridian Station that Halo 5 still gives xD
Sloan headcanon. 🙂
versed helm
Wdym
Sorry anyways Halo 5 has some messed up canon stuff
If Spartans are said to be the fastest humans recorded, then how come they can't run in the first Halo games? I understand that Chief's Achille's Heel snapped, which did slow him down, but even then he got upgraded armor that did a lot for him, and during Halo: Reach, Spartans had an ability to run. Wouldn't Chief have one, since he changes his armour as it upgrades?
feral perch
there's something very important you need to understand
gameplay =/= canon
Technically walking at max speed in the Halo trilogy is running, anyway.
versed helm
I see
feral perch
Sprint is a gameplay mechanic with a stupid lore explanation because Bungie were obsessed with the cool factor. I'm exaggerating a little bit, but it's not that far off the mark.
versed helm
Thanks
proud quail
canon wise, you should be able to outrun a warthog
gameplay wise, the maps arent designed for that kind of mobility and neither is the balance
drowsy wind
@obsidian thistle yeah, context can change to change lore as needed. The obvious original implications were he died with that plasma grenade in Believe. But, contexts can change.
ruby sluice
If you were curious. In canon, Sprint in Reach was an armor mod by Kat that disabled the safety inhibitors on Mjolnir for a short time, allowing the user to run at considerably faster speed.
Though yes, walking at full speed in the original games is supposed to be running
Why it still feels like walking can even be chocked up to the concept of Spartan Time
wraith geode
It's really depressing to think that Reach was one of the UNSCs most heavily fortified planets and it fell within such a short time span
I forgot how long it took
drowsy wind
I forgot about Spartan Time
There's a lot of stuff canon wise that doesn't work gameplay wise.
They definitely talk about recalling 60% of the fleet to Reach, or something of the sort
stoic hamlet
most of the fleet was at Tribute, which was also under siege.
versed helm
True. Thanks to the Prophet's "exchange of hats," Humanity survived and defeated the Covenant.
terse lava
Defeated? They didn't defeat anything. Just survived
carmine sleet
The Covenant were defeated though
terse lava
But it wasnt humanity who beat them. It was the covenant themselves
rain token
ember crest
Reach lasted from July 24 to August 30, 2552 @wraith geode
but i also heard that Reach was purposely lost to cause such a distraction that it eventually ended in us winning the war.
gilded mason
They were trying to use the chance to try RED FLAG
But it sorta fell through
Yeah
Though it wouldn't have worked anyway.
Yup
To both things
Stuff
gilded mason
Some Elites.
terse lava
What jackal
gilded mason
Too gaudy for the higher rank ones for me.
terse lava
Yea, not fond of officer either
gilded mason
I like things simple and sleek. So minor looks best for the Reach versions.
terse lava
@gilded mason👍
unique rune
Sangheili armor generally isn't all that flashy or ornamental.
Just some of the more ceremonial/traditional stuff like the Arbiter armor.
Reach kinda goes off the deep end with it.
Though the thing that always bothered me more about Reach Sangheili was their faces and giant sausage toes.
gilded mason
Yeah
exotic lagoon
true
gilded mason
Bee-stung.
exotic lagoon
MMMMMM"
gilded mason
I disliked Halo 3 Elites' lower body armor, yeah.
gilded mason
Though it works for them
terse lava
Not all san shyuum even did that. There was a pre-covenant hierarch who just wore white robes with silver rings around it
When you think on it
Besides the hierarchs going "HERESY", all the time, the early covenant was not horrible
Heck, just the san shyuum treating the sangheili as equals would have e helped
humble yacht
they had a high council
terse lava
Met the early covenant
There's that point where sangheili and san shyuum meet on the key ship
The prophets purposely dont offer seats at the table they are sitting around
gilded mason
a bit rude tbh
terse lava
"As that would imply equality
Also, it appears glassing was frowned on back in the day, supported only by the san shyuum
stable cedar
Glassing was sort of like a religious commencement ritual for new shipmasters. Just carving a holy symbol into the planet under a prophets guidance
low crown
also glassing was uncommon because most elite ships preferred to have boots on the ground per say
or at least until they felt they got enough combat
quaint hearth
what happens to the dude marine that was taken by the elites in the outpost on winter contigency in halo reach?
warm zephyr
RIP I THINK 
gilded mason
Either killed once he wasn't useful as a body shield, or interrogated and then killed.
quaint hearth
but we dont see his body
surreal island
I think you do, but with his helmet on
merry knot
maybe he's a sangheili pleasures slave now
terse lava
His body was right next to the door 🤔
gilded mason
Oh, never noticed. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
quaint hearth
poor dude. i miss him already
terse lava
Eh, not much to miss, only thing he did was hold onto a door
Btw, anyone know what the original ending to silentium was? The book was delayed due to it not being in line with h4
livid elm
I wonder if there was ever time after reach fell to have proper burial services for the bodies of noble team that the could find if they found any
deep pewter
Doubtful, anyone that knows about them would deny their existence
terse lava
Plus only Emile and Kat's bodies survived
obsidian thistle
Noble Team has a Statue in New Alexandria in January 2610. And a mini-Statue based on the Statue (Reach Legendary Edition) intended for the Museum of Humanity on Earth.
Noble Six also had his helmet replicated for Outpost Discovery.
Replicated. But left on Reach.
potent cargo
Rip Noble Team
Quick question if anyone knows, do anymore San 'Shyuum exist in the modern era? Considering all the prophets were killed.
potent cargo
And do they interact with other species still as powerful leaders? Or was it a small group that took control of forerunner artifacts
terse lava
They act as exiles
terse lava
I wonder how their world recovered so easily after a halo fired on it
potent cargo
In what manner do you mean?
Didn't they discover forerunner artifacts early on which sped up their technological progression
terse lava
I met during the forerunner era
potent cargo
Ahh
terse lava
Yea, yet they were resettled on the same world
potent cargo
You sure it wasn't the human world faber (cough) annihilated with the ring
terse lava
Charrum hakkor as a test on precursor tech. Then a test on living beings on the san shyuum world
potent cargo
Ahhh but he was tried in the judiciary council because of the crime against the mantle
I was pretty crazy tbh
terse lava
Yep
terse lava
You know...I wonder, would there gave been a way for the forerunners to survive the battle with the flood? Had they known the truth of the flood/precursors. Would there have been some way to end the battle? Restore humanity to tier 1 and give them the mantle?
gilded mason
Like, after the Flood already came into being?
terse lava
Yes
gilded mason
Well, the Flood wouldn't stop no matter what. They revel in making everyone suffer.
terse lava
True, yet they semi-sprared humamity
gilded mason
Yeah. Though I think it was part of a plan to make the Forerunners suffer even more. ...Or something.
I forget the reason, really.
terse lava
Yea, just wondering if it could have been handed better
midnight loom
no
humanity sacrificed 1/3 of their pop. to stop the flood
they altered their genes
also, couldnt the forerunners use dumb AI to fight?
no corruption is possible there
carmine sleet
Logic plague would still affect dumb AI
sacred dew
I think it works similar to the one in armor testing
unique rune
Concept art of the M-Spec from Reach as having sorta... jets or some other type of propulsion.
So presumably it’d have something like that.
quaint hearth
how come covnanet and usnc not build marine vehicles and aquatic weapons?
lunar condor
I mean they probably have some but they arent really needed during a planetary invasion i suppose
Like even if you had an under the ocean bunker they could just glass the planet
And in the same way the unsc could just nuke instead of glass, i suppose naval combat kinda loses its meaning once you can establish the orbital bombardement kind of air superiority
quaint hearth
i would be cool to see naval combat in halo style
lunar condor
I imagine they would have some cool looking ships yeah
remote spruce
the Covenant have aquatic Banshees
but it's stated they were rarely encountered in the war
sacred dew
A halo 5 map has a submarine and there are naval carrier ships in odst
gleaming mauve
Oh ye so there are
hollow rover
I mean the humans were supposed to get the mantle of responsibility , the flood well before hands precursors were just mostly targeting the forerunners cause of them killing them. Same goes with the forerunner ancient human war, where humans just wanted to cleanse the forerunner planet of the flood. At first they were being tested but now its just to make everyone suffer
keen canopy
The Flood wanted to eradicate the Forerunners, obviously due to the fact that the Forerunners genocided the Precursors.
It's still not clear whether the Flood has plans for Humanity other than eating them. Some believe they're still testing us for the mantle, personally I just chalk it up to the Precursors/Flood following logic unfathomable to anyone but themselves.
It's good that we still aren't 100% sure as to the Flood's motives, makes things more interesting.
hollow rover
exactly
versed helm
But after the firing of the Haloes, the Flood forgot all that and just took everything they could
Until they fired I08
Sorta
Still, they contained High Charity
Until HW2
terse lava
Anyone think the Covenant could properly reform one day? Not as an enemy or another small group. But a proper civilization uniting the current known races
versed helm
Didn't they already in Halo 4?
Oh, I C
Probably not, since Sanghelli are still screwed from the civil war
And San Shyum (How do u spell it idk)
Are doing unknown stuff
All other species aren't capable of leading or starting a new Covenant
The only species that has the most potential is the Sanghelli
Even then, there'd be no reason why. They already have the Swords of Sanghelios
So ya
Will the Grunts be Opalized in Infinite? I personally think so since they're most likely to join Cortana's Covenant
hollow rover
and elites aren't brain dead so I hope they'll manage
Don't forget most of the races were forced into the covenant without choice
carmine sleet
Cortana's faction isn't called the Covenant, they're known as the Created, Pilot
quaint hearth
how are elites live in space but they are lizard and cold bloded?
feral perch
They don’t live in space
quaint hearth
how they be in space, but survive but they are cold blooded?
feral perch
They can’t survive in the vacuum of space.
quaint hearth
oh
versed helm
They wear space suits
Like the Ranger armor from Reach
But different
Thanks @carmine sleet
quaint hearth
what sort of rights did elites have in society when they no hate human?
stable cedar
@carmine sleet I think what he means is, when the elites stopped warring with humans, what rights would they gain in a human society.
quaint hearth
yes
full forge
I really wish there was a setting where gameplay followed the lore. On Heroic/Legendary in any Halo title it feels like the enemy has more shield than they should, and deal more damage than they should while also being somewhat intelligent. On Normal difficulty, it feels as though enemies don't fire as quickly as they should and generally aren't as tactically apt. Heroic is the closest I can get, but even then enemies aren't as skilled and some weapons don't feel as described. Am I just crazy?
It's not a problem, it's just something I want.
humble yacht
lore-accurate gameplay would likely not make for a very fun game
full forge
Not as in to the letter, but closer.
humble yacht
it would lack good balance, likely be too easy
carmine sleet
Aye, the player wouldn't be allowed to lose because that would go against lore
full forge
I think that could be helped by redistributing the weapon table. Make power weapons feel more empowering, and also rarer.
Weapons like the assault rifle are pretty much useless on higher difficulties.
quaint hearth
SLASO is closest to lore. you die once you go all the way back to the beginning
full forge
Not as in to the letter, but closer.
carmine sleet
But that would be against it being more accurate to the lore
full forge
I'd appreciate if you wouldn't chide me, it's just something I thought would be interesting. It wasn't so much a criticism as something I was interested in.
I'll just have to try it out and see for myself I guess.
humble yacht
the lore paints spartans as being able to kill enemies very quickly and also being highly resistant to damage. So Easy difficulty would probably be the closest to lore
full forge
Yes, but the AI isn't very smart on easy and enemies are most definitely weaker than pictured.
Like I said though not exactly, but closer.
agile dragon
Pretty sure spartans are better than most players playing them
full forge
That too.
agile dragon
we have aim assist, but not the years of training and experience (gaming doesn't count -.-)
gilded mason
Plasma weapons would also be a lot deadlier.
full forge
Which is something Halo 5 actually seems to address.
Even the plasma pistol isn't soft on unshielded targets anymore.
Little things like enemy AI controlled shade turrets being able to snap instantly on their targets isn't very fun.
Or how friendly AI doesn't seem to prioritize targets, and shoots at dead bodies for a full half second after they've died, which is well beyond the reaction time of a human.
That's not to say I don't appreciate the way marines overreact like that, and go full overkill on the alien scumbags, but when you're in the middle of a firefight and your marine buddies are doing double-taps in the middle of it, it seriously affects their combat capabilities. Especially when there's a swarm of lower-value enemies like grunts and jackals.
quaint hearth
is there lore reason why grunts are so cute?
full forge
It's the masks.
quaint hearth
good
unique rune
They get their looks from the humans they eat.
quaint hearth
they do look kinda quirky not gonna lie 👀 😳
versed helm
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Grunts are actually ~5 foot 7 in lore, so imagine a Hunter ;-;
quaint hearth
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tawdry galleon
Hey guys so I'm almost finished with my Halo marathon of all Halo media about the Human-Covenant War, and am now beginning plans for the post-War phase of the Halo universe for my marathon. Quick question: is Kilo-Five worth the time and effort to read? TBH I don't want to read a story that's basically just trashing beloved characters from the original series, and I heard that's what it does
I've literally spent the past 3 months investing time and effort in reading / watching / playing the ENTIRE Human-Covenant War, and I just don't feel like reading something that dismisses all the stories I've been going through. Is it actually worth reading from a canon universe standpoint though? That's what I want to know
tawdry galleon
Oh ok. Yea I just need to know if it's something that actually impacts the lore for my marathon or if it's just an Anti-Halsey propaganda series
unique rune
I’d say it’s worth reading. The Halsey bashing does get to be a bit much but I don’t think it ever really overtakes the rest of the story.
tawdry galleon
Thank you
gilded mason
And the tech situation with the Elites is a bit outdated these days.
keen canopy
@tawdry galleon you could always watch Halo Canon's spoiler free reviews and then decide
clever fable
Wonder why that one was deleted.
Gonna try again
Man I cannot for the life of me figure out what the trigger word is in that sentence that keeps getting deleted.
agile dragon
paste half the sentence, if it gets censored, its in that half, just keep posting half of it recursively until you know what word
clever fable
There, got that through, dang.
agile dragon
lmao what just happened XD
fair hazel
bot is down
clever fable
So tell me straight then.
fair hazel
to avoid spoilrs, words are on mute, so just try to say what u want to say but using different words
agile dragon
aaah
clever fable
I did, then either you or someone else deleted it
gaunt oakBOT
clever fable
it got through fine, and then went away after you came in
gilded mason
There a list of which words are filtered out?
fair hazel
Bot is just slow
agile dragon
Need a river song quote for: "Spoilers Sweetie!"
fair hazel
Not anavailable one
gilded mason
Well that's a bit inconvenient.
clever fable
Is there a way for you to look at the list of deleted posts in this particular channel, erickyboo?
Because I swapped some words around and really cannot see what's the cause.
fair hazel
"Message content: the sojourner-ships in hw 1, those pillars they are connected to, are those fortress-vessels that they're said to connect to, or only pillars?"
just say HW
agile dragon
lmao
clever fable
That is by far the silliest thing I've seen as far as word filters go lol
clever fable
Alright, thanks.
agile dragon
HW = the halo rts game?
gilded mason
Yes.
agile dragon
I like the halo rts game as an easier to understand description then o.o
fair hazel
They're these battle stations that the sojourners dock themselves to.
clever fable
Right, battle station, got that mixed up. That's what I was wondering, so the pillars are actually ships, not just inert storage places?
quaint hearth
do you think it was legal for humans to marry elites after elites become good guys?
gilded mason
Don't see why not.
clever fable
Vale 👀
quaint hearth
who vale
gilded mason
A Spartan that studied Sangheili culture and language
It's a meme that she wants to do stuff with them.
quaint hearth
who wouldn't
stoic hamlet
“Good guys”
clever fable
"The slightly less bad guys sorta maybe"
gilded mason
"A unknown amount that became guys that do not desire human death."
stoic hamlet
“Just ignore all the billions of men women and children they killed, they’re good guys now because they show up as green in the crosshairs.”
- le casuals.
stoic hamlet
The post war is such an interesting period though
Like, it needs to be explored more than it has been.
gilded mason
Yes. And in more varied ways.
stoic hamlet
And explored more realistically
But I can se how it would be tough to do/people probably don’t want to see the obvious parallels drawn so it’s......not toned down but hidden, out of view, not talked about.
deep pewter
Kilo-V seems decently realistic so far
I like seeing the disdain for Thel from more hardline hinge heads
clever fable
I really enjoyed the narrator for that trilogy, I wish they'd pick him up more often.
keen canopy
Thel 'Vadam killed sooooo many humans man. I would absolutely have trouble forgiving him if Halo was real. He spent decades mass murdering us before he spent a couple of months saving us.
gilded mason
Though those couple months did mean humanity didn't go extinct.
carmine sleet
To be fair, he didn't know quite allot of things that we do know when he was fighting humanity, such as the truth about the Covenant, Halo or the plan to commit genocide on the Elites by Truth
gilded mason
And as other people have said, people tend to care less about something when it doesn't personally effect them.
keen canopy
Of course we're aware of these things, I was talking from the perspective of an average human in the Halo universe
stoic hamlet
yeah, but, reminder, that defense doesn't hold up IRL.
"I was just following orders" isn't a justifiable defence, IIRC.
keen canopy
And a good deed doesn't cancel out a bad one IRL either.
deep pewter
Thel has committed genocide, there’s nothing he can really do to absolve that
gilded mason
Although, when you continuously show that you're trying to bring the (known) galaxy to a more peaceful state through your current actions, seems like a good indicator that you're not the same person you once were.
keen canopy
I agree, but how would someone in the Halo Universe feel, even once they were educated on the situation?
"Oh, you happily killed billions of us, until you found out you were on the chopping block as well?"
"Oh, now that the war is over and humanity is more powerful, now you want an extended peace?"
gilded mason
True. Though I think it might depend on how effected by Thel's actions they were.
deep pewter
Even trying to make up for it, he’s shown that he has the ability to be fanatical enough to justify genocide, that’s not something you can come back from
gilded mason
Yeah. I could do the "game theory" (or whatever it'd be called) thing regarding it, but as you said, it's a civilian perspective, so.
keen canopy
Ostral, Thel was personally responsible for taking over one billion human lives. I don't think any human could not be affected by that.
There's also the fact that in the eyes of most humans he represents his species... What they did was unthinkable, we can't even really comprehend it.
gilded mason
What they did was unthinkable, we can't even really comprehend it.
Though it is similar to what some humans have done at points in history, just...on muuuuuch larger scale.
keen canopy
Indeed, though Sangheili aren't humans
gilded mason
Yeah. An extra bit of "otherness" there.
keen canopy
I don't think anything in real history but the Black Plague has come close to the kind of population reduction the Elite-led extermination achieved though. Can't look at the pre and post HCW numbers atm, but the black plague killed roughly 1/3rd
terse lava
While thel would have to wait a horribly long time for humans to forgive him, if ever, the current deeds he shows us I would say shows he wants to change his ways and make up for the past.
gilded mason
While thel would have to wait a horribly long time for humans to forgive him
Maybe after the current generation dies out. 😋
gilded mason
Though this one is more focused on a single individual's actions coming to light, instead of a whole population. But I don't know enough to know if something similar to that happened in WW2.
terse lava
I..am not sure of any exact match to thel from ww2.
terse lava
Btw. Do we have anything lore wise on pre covenant sangheili views on robots?
gilded mason
No idea.
terse lava
Yea. Closest I know of was the lore for some h5 map telling that towers on the map were used to launch pre covie satellites
One more thing, was it ever made official that halo 2 sangheili "wore eye covers," to explain the differences between them and thel? Always figured that was their true eyes, and thel was given the orange eyes for protagonist reasons to show he was different.
gilded mason
Don't think the eye coverings were ever officially talked about.
terse lava
Just noticed it on halopedia
keen canopy
"Their eyes can have multiple colours ranging from red all the way to green and can be even gray. Most Sangheili though possess yellow or orange eyes"
terse lava
Annoys me tbh, as the "contacts" idea doesn't make sense as we never see it outside of classic h2
keen canopy
What you see in the game isn't 100% accurate
quaint hearth
arbeiter looks like have cat eyes in halo 2 annvirersery cutscenes
terse lava
Graphics at the tine
quaint hearth
i meant aniversery
stoic hamlet
....wait
keen canopy
RIP @stoic hamlet
stoic hamlet
What?
gilded mason
What you see in the game isn't 100% accurate
Though eye coverings are also never talked about in books, as far as I know.
terse lava
@stoic hamlethn?
stoic hamlet
My message was removed
keen canopy
I hope you had that copied :'(
stoic hamlet
Filter wtf