The Flood as well, maybe
#lore-and-universe
stoic hamlet
Tbf to the pin thing, that was all he had to concentrate on
He could focus specifically on that instead of dozens of other things
gilded mason
Though it seems there are also Elites with extreme reflexes and reaction times, judging by Shadow of Intent.
stoic hamlet
AFAWK III’s would also have it, their augmentations are the same as the II’s, just administered differently.
Mhm
It varies
Overall though it seems barring specific elites (aka plot) a Spartan is more than a match.
1v1’s seem to favour elites though.
gilded mason
The inverse ninja principle thing
stoic hamlet
Ehh, even in examples where Spartans outnumber elites they still often come out on top with no KIA’s.
IV’s do as well I think, in MJOLNIR, but it’s iffy
Because he didn’t see it
gilded mason
Ehh, even in examples where Spartans outnumber elites they still often come out on top with no KIA’s.
Though their overall numbers are still much less.
stoic hamlet
It’s not precognition
gilded mason
So any death would matter much more than any Elite death.
stoic hamlet
We don’t know if he did or not
If he reacted to it, he probably did
That, or it was a lucky catch, lol
gilded mason
"Aw jeez, I hope somebody got that on camera."
stoic hamlet
Well, tbf
If it missed his vital organs, he’d be good to go
At least for a few seconds
terse lava
He was a zealot so...likely
stoic hamlet
Probably not
terse lava
Highly unlikely
terse lava
You know, I wonder how precursors are born
gilded mason
neural
terse lava
Do races who long ago passed the mantle get elevated to tier 0, or just any race that reached that level just join them
gilded mason
||physics||
terse lava
@versed helmthanks sovereign
stoic hamlet
reeee’s
terse lava
Still say sangheili would have been better mantle holders then humanity though
gilded mason
Maybe. No one race actually deserves it, though
What I'm curious about is their life expectancy variation between Forerunner times and now.
It was 27 years back then.
Only 27
Now it's some unknown number above 200
I wonder if medical tech has something to do with it. Or maybe the 27 involved a whole lot of child death.
If they went by that stat use.
They're aliens
And can live in cold climates.
So probably have self-regulating temperatures.
formal imp
So I have a question. Did Master Chief and Cortana get to know each other between Reach and Halo 1? Cause isnt the ending if Reach RIGHT before Halo 1? Yet in the beginning of Halo 1, if I'm not mistaken, Cortana asks Chief "Did you sleep well?" "No thanks to your driving, yes." "So you did miss me." Meaning they knew each other. But. .maybe I'm thinking to hard about it lmao. But I didnt know if the events between the end if reach and halo 1 were like months or years or something
stoic hamlet
He only knew her in total for about 12 days through the entire trilogy and H4.
To him anyways, that’s the total time he knew her.
She obviously knew him longer
Seeing as when he was in cryo she was watching over him
But in cryo you don’t register the passage of time.
gilded mason
On the bridge with her and Keyes, he might've just been feeling particularly sassy.
formal imp
Wait I didnt really think about that. How much time passed between Halo 1-3
stoic hamlet
Uhhh
gilded mason
CE starts September 19
gilded mason
2 starts October 20
stoic hamlet
Late September to early December IIRC
gilded mason
Can't say the d-word.
formal imp
Oops sorry lol
gilded mason
It happens
formal imp
Dang nabbit. Never really thought about it. Almost seems like years passed
stoic hamlet
The filter is a harsh mistress
gilded mason
Indeed
stoic hamlet
It’s because to us they did
formal imp
True lol
gilded mason
Fan perception!
stoic hamlet
We had to wait years for each game
formal imp
How long was john asleep between 3 and 4
gilded mason
About...4 years?
formal imp
Is it known yet how long it's been between 5 and Infinite
gilded mason
Not yet. Though we know it's later th- yeah that
stoic hamlet
So, about 4, maybe 5 years
gilded mason
She was made in 2549
formal imp
I just finished Halo 5 today actually, since I never got around to beating it. But why in the latest trailer hes just floating around in space,asleep with some random dude, but at the end of 5 hes with everyone again. Unless that's the question were suppose to be asking. Like wooaahh wheres everyone. Wheres chief. Who's that??
terse lava
@gilded masonhih, always fiured the shortet life was purely due to them. Being too primitive. We know thanks to old guilty that the sangheili were "not as dramatic" during the forerunner era. And...if legends in this one moment can be used, they were at around iron age
gilded mason
Unless that's the question were suppose to be asking.
Yes.
formal imp
Lol
gilded mason
We're going in blind
formal imp
I was hoping at the end of 5, Master Chief and Arbiter were gonna bro hug or something
gilded mason
Well, in Bad Blood, they had a long chat through the night.
formal imp
Is that a book
gilded mason
Yes.
stoic hamlet
Why would they bro hug?
formal imp
I havnt read any of the books but I kinda want to. I'm a huge fan of ODST and i found out like last night there's a book that continues the story of Buck and his team. Sadly i read up on spoilers but i think I'd still enjoy reading it
gilded mason
John and Thel are very touchy-feely people, y'know.
formal imp
I dont mean literally. Just like "Chief." "Arbiter"
stoic hamlet
I getcha, heh.
Lot of people have an odd view of their relationship though.
formal imp
So wheres Buck right now in the lore? Is it just what were know from the end of Halo 5
gilded mason
What year is it now in halo Ostral?
2561 or later
terse lava
Ah yea, true
gilded mason
About that, yeah
stoic hamlet
We know of AI who were around longer (and not insane)
Julianne(a?) from The Rubble was around for 15 years, I believe.
Mack and Loki were on Harvest for over two decades.
One shut down every 7 years so the over could take over.
terse lava
Dont think they shut down, really, more reduced themselves among the Jotuns
potent cargo
I bet siri can beat all halo AI's
terse lava
Yea, though idk if they ever shared how that experience was, outside of one commenting on "sending the other on a well needed vacation" when doing it
potent cargo
Were the forerunners AI's limited by lifespan? Guilty Spark survived for a while but didn't he go insane by isolation
polar elm
How did the Covenant discover Installation 05?
polar elm
Also, what do Covenant and the Forerunner Dreadnought use for propulsion?
keen canopy
Regret found and had his servants decipher a luminary that revealed the location of I05, as well as the Ark and it's portal.
sacred dew
The covenant use anti gravity drives for propulsion
patent vector
343 guilty spark is best villain
plucky yacht
weird question, but why doesn't the unsc incorporate plasma or energy weapons into their arsenal?
plucky yacht
lmao, scummy covenant
unsc be spittin fire like they spit lead
the covenant call humans heretics but i don't remember seeing aliens in the bible
patent vector
hating classic rock and roll songs!
this is lore
umm
hold up
well
cant send that link
terse lava
Humanityn doesn't make plasma weapons due to bungie wanting them to use something familiar. Lore wise, they had 300 years of peace so all advancements went towards exploration rather than war
warm ridge
@stoic hamlet @versed helm Other AI that are far more advanced have existed for much longer.
5th generation smart AI tend to have a much longer life span over-all.
stoic hamlet
I don’t believe either of the examples I listed were older than third
warm ridge
Kusanagi is a 2nd generation smart AI that has apparently managed to live since 2535 (and possibly before this), but was stuck on Reach in 2552. Likely got destroyed.
polar elm
So about anti-gravity, do they like generate gravity to move or something?
Found a source
polar elm
There's isn't any info on the Dreadnought's propulsion though. The Covenant used some advanced gravity tech to navigate while the Dreadnought in H2 looked like it was propelled by rocket fuel.
obsidian thistle
@warm ridge Kusanagi isnt canon
That AI living that long is 1 of many mistakes in the Interactive Board Game.
woven sparrow
Do I need to play HW1 or can I skip it?
It says I gotta play HW1 before Reach
And I’ve already started reach
gilded mason
Nah, it's fine.
It's only saying to play HW1 first because it comes first in the timeline.
unique rune
HW1 takes place long enough before Reach that it's not particularly noticeable if you don't play it
gilded mason
But it doesn't have much bearing on the rest of the games.
unique rune
Heck, I still haven't actually finished the campaign.
Never actually got past Arcadia City.
Hate that mission.
quaint hearth
im confused (nyan). did the usnc nuke new alexandria, or does glassings give off radiation?
craggy wyvern
glassing beams give off radiation spikes as they are preparing to fire. In the ending cutscene of NA you can see a Covenant cruiser flying overhead as noble team runs to an elevator
quaint hearth
why dont anyone use radiation weapons?
unique rune
Probably because they'd be too expensive and too risky.
One thing goes wrong and you've doomed everyone on the battlefield.
Covenant directed energy weapons give off some radiation anyway.
Plus older Carbine patterns used radioactive materials in their ammunition.
quaint hearth
just wear radiation-resist clothes, and you doom the bad guys on battlefields
deep pewter
There’d be nowhere to really use it, and radiation shielding is expensive as hell
unique rune
...
You do know what radiation protection gear looks like, right?
Impractical on the battlefield and clunky.
I'm sure the UNSC would have made improvements upon it, but it's still easier to deal with stuff like traditional ballistic weapons which are known quantities.
Radiation would be a mess to work with.
deep pewter
The MJOLNIR radiation shielding wasn’t perfect and would flicker for full seconds when hit with enough radiation, and those cost as much as a frigate so you know it had some of the best available
potent cargo
Are there anti-matter weapons in the halo universe? or is the strongest weapons the common ones like a nuke or a orbital mac gun excluding the halo rings
fair hazel
Yes. Forerunners make use of them. And in personal weapons too
versed helm
@potent cargo aren't the Promethean weapons anti-matter
potent cargo
Yea i was just about to say forerunner weapons are hardlight
It appears this has a become the big players table
versed helm
But they can completely destroy bodies
potent cargo
Welcome Thel 'Vadamee
gilded mason
Ok so can covenant weapons actually be given the ability to create singularities?
The Delta Beam Rifle.
potent cargo
Well if we're going scientific light does not mean it's hot
Not always
But in this case yes
versed helm
Hey Faber I have a question I hope you can clear up
potent cargo
Proceed Arbiter
versed helm
Why don't we see any contained forerunner infected
Like do they explain that in any of the books?
potent cargo
When the Halo's fired all known forerunners were killed and the only forerunner left was the Ur-Didact who survived through his cryptum
terse lava
We have seen forerunner combat forms before in halo legends and on the remake of lockout
gilded mason
on the remake of lockout
?
potent cargo
It is shown in legends due it to showing the time before the halos were activated
terse lava
@gilded masonthose infected creatures in the pods. Look awfully infected warrior servants
potent cargo
However legends is a biased based representation of the forerunners
gilded mason
This in the H2A version?
gilded mason
Got a pic?
terse lava
Nope
potent cargo
Tru but still an example
versed helm
Well the one in the pod is probably dead because there's no movement in the pod besides the bobbing
potent cargo
Can still infect others though
terse lava
Never said they were alive
versed helm
As ship master would say a single spore can destroy a civilization
potent cargo
I still cannot believe my kind left some samples of the flood in the halos and expected them not to escape their fragile glass cases
potent cargo
Thanks for the ptsd @terse lava
terse lava
@potent cargowith respect noble one, have not archives said you routinely worked with the plauge?
versed helm
The holy prophets would kill you for this heresy
terse lava
I uttered no heresy
potent cargo
@terse lava It has been long since I have seen the parasite since my demise
gilded mason
Perhaps tone down on the roleplay.
versed helm
@potent cargo yeah it's kinda likely to stumble upon a flood ship
terse lava
Was just for fun, anyway they do resemble warrior servants yes?
versed helm
Some Marines got infected upon the Mona Lisa because an Oni sector 3
potent cargo
fun ruined
versed helm
Decided to release the paracite on the ship
potent cargo
Actually that brings a good question
after the convenant fell apart, did any specific groups still worship the forerunners?
versed helm
A few did a few humans did too
gilded mason
And I imagine many other splinter factions
potent cargo
Does that include the modern day arbiter's group?
gilded mason
Some probably do in the SoS, yes.
last anchor
Nah, I think the Swords gave that up for the most part.
If they do, they dont do it openly.
gilded mason
I imagine Thel is fine with it as long as it doesn't interfere with other aspects of their duties.
versed helm
Yeah I'm a cool dude
potent cargo
I would tend to agree, they practically hated the idea of submission to another species after the prophets
gilded mason
No
terse lava
The swords(and those sangheili in the banished) I would say gave gone back to pre-forunner days in terms of revenance
versed helm
I think the current state of the swords with the civil war wouldn't permit much active worship and I'm pretty sure the word forerunner puts a bad taste in the arbiters mouth
gilded mason
Seems likely.
terse lava
Come to think of it, how exactly were the forerunners worshipped by the Covenant and later groups? Never thought of it really before but was it more like ancient Egypt with various known forerunners more revered then others?
gilded mason
Didn't Hesduros worship the Didact more specifically, or something?
terse lava
Some fo for the didact, weapon smiths go for faber?
gilded mason
Perhaps
versed helm
@terse lava they would take artifacts and copy them
That's why they had plasma weapons
terse lava
Uh, I met how they looked on the forerunners themselves
gilded mason
That's why they had plasma weapons
Sangheili made plasma weapons beforehand.
terse lava
Indeed
versed helm
Wait.. How do they worship them I've never thought of that
terse lava
Exactly, outside of prayers and the such
potent cargo
I do like the current state of the elites
versed helm
@gilded mason sorry I'm not an expert I've read like 6 books and those are based on like rookie and chief
potent cargo
In my mind the SoS are noble
gilded mason
I'm pretty sure that's how you're supposed to view the SoS
gilded mason
Though I wish 343 will actually give an actual rundown on the faction's goals/structure/policies/etc
versed helm
Also are chief and arby friends?
gilded mason
In a sense
terse lava
Sort of
potent cargo
They have a strong sense of respect for each other though
terse lava
Forged in fire allies
gilded mason
Though John seems to make friends fairly easily in battle, judging by him thinking of Spark as a friend after going through the Library with him.
versed helm
Well they've been through hell and back and chief caused thel to become arbiter to begin with
potent cargo
Plus he feels for the arbiter losing alot and being betrayed
terse lava
I doubt chief feels bad for him
Closest we got to that was johnson
Who showed a sympathetic look when thel learned the truth
potent cargo
He did say " I am sorry spartan"
versed helm
He might not even now he caused thel to get the mark of shame and become the arbiter
terse lava
Wernt you claiming though it was chief showing sympathy
potent cargo
I was i was just supporting your statement
potent cargo
I do hope the chief and arbiter speak again or better yet fight together in infinite
versed helm
Thel has to know chief destroyed the ring thats he was marked because he couldn't protect the ring because 1 single cyborg was like nope no flood screw whos left on the ring boom
pretty sure everyone knows who destroyed the ring
radiant sphinx
Megan
potent cargo
Lmaooo
stoic hamlet
Well they were coordinated with UNSC Troops off-screen. The Flood goes into this.
While John goes for the Autumn the rest of the UNSC forces bum rush a ship and get it lifted off, but are all killed when it was destroyed......which thinking about about it was kind of dumb.,
Like,
I get there were flood aboard
But why not slip to a random jump point then kill them all?
Why destroy the ship?
terse lava
Because they were a rag tag group of marines who couldnt clean the truth and reconciliatio if they wanted too. Too large of a vessel. Even the covenant commandos sent on were having trouble with that
terse lava
Thevfloodvcan survive on open vacuum
stoic hamlet
Yeah
But they don’t need to kill them
Just remove them from the ship.
If they can remove the majority, the ODST’s in their vacuum sealed armour and obviously John (when he linked up with them) could form search parties to kill the remainder aided by Cortana and Wellesley.
It’s not fool proof, obviously
terse lava
They cant rush a single flood infection form living. They are too few in number to cover a 1km vessel
stoic hamlet
IIRC there was still hundreds of ODST’s alive
Or at least a 100
They had their command section intact.
terse lava
Think around 75
stoic hamlet
They were rag tag compared to a usual UNSC element but they were hardly a small number.
terse lava
Also their command was a deluded nutjob blinded by glory
terse lava
I know. But he was key's 2nd
stoic hamlet
IIRC they still had McKay as well as several other officers.
It wouldn’t have been hard to overpower him and have her take command.
Haverson as well was ONI and a Lieutenant
McKay was a Captain (field promoted)
And the troops loved her
terse lava
Yet that never happened
terse lava
Agreed, the covenant could pull off just getting repairs and the vessel in orbit because they had enough soldiers to clean the truth and rec deck by deck. Something the crew themselves did after keys was rescued. And if worse happened, the fleet could vaporize it. There was no good way for the major s and his troops to take care of the problem
stoic hamlet
Hypotheticals but nothing more, yeah.
Everything would have had to go perfectly
One slip up and it’s over.
I think it could have been possible
But unlikely to succeed
terse lava
Has they had no deaths on the ring, along with chief, cortana, wesley, and linda, maybe
stoic hamlet
I still think it could have been possible even with the numbers they had
highly unlikely
But possible
terse lava
When those off the problem with the newer lore that even a dead flood body can be a contamination hazard
Where when that book was written dead flood bodies were treated as simply a dead body
stoic hamlet
When that book was written ODST’s didn’t have vacuum sealed armour.
There’s a lot that’s changed
terse lava
True true
Honestly the best case scenario may ironically be if the covenant forces still on board were willing to help contain the flood together
gilded mason
🙂
stoic hamlet
That kind of did happen in The Flood anyways IIRC
They went right back to killing each other after though.
terse lava
Yeah True but still
deep pewter
Because Bungie doesn’t think things through
feral perch
Johnson’s immunity hasn’t been retconned by any official source
I have never seen one, at least, even when this debate has been brought up in the past.
terse lava
Yea no retcon yet. Flood either chose not to infect or didnt get enough time
versed helm
it's not exactly an immunity though either
terse lava
@versed helmcould literally be the utterly largest galactic fluke ever too
fair hazel
ther ehave been references on that immunity thing being talked about
versed helm
Are the K'tamanune actually Neanderthals or what?
Since they were only mentioned once
terse lava
Different if I recall
midnight loom
the fluke as you call it was him being in near proximity to a plasma grenade blast
it altered him in some wierd wy
way
^^
any arguments?
?
keen canopy
That was the cover up story no?
unique rune
SgtMaj Johnson’s Boren’s syndrome had an entirely different cause.
Assuming that’s what you’re referring to.
Since he was part of Project ORION.
His case was a cover up, yeah
gilded mason
That was the cover up story no?
Ye
unique rune
Except... ORION was successful?
midnight loom
john still believes the plasma granade thing yes?
stoic hamlet
It was successful for a time but not as successful as was wanted
stoic hamlet
? No
midnight loom
anyway, gotta go soon
unique rune
Plenty of ORION’s subjects saw active field duty
unique rune
It wasn’t until later that they experienced problems relating to the augmentations
midnight loom
active survivor
slow crag
Most of the survivors were promoted to Sergeant?
midnight loom
right?
stoic hamlet
We have an implication of at least 8 active together right before the war started
stoic hamlet
Contact Harvest
stoic hamlet
It’s implied Byrne is also an ORION, and thus we can infer the Marines involved in the beginning of the book were also ORION.
midnight loom
oh ok then
stoic hamlet
Byrne is basically a given, but just never officially confirmed.
versed helm
harvest is such a good book
timber compass
I haven't read harvest yet, but I love Fall of Reach and The Flood
plucky condor
The three book series you can get with Contact Harvest in is really good, the first halo books i read
I dont remember the name of the collection, but it had that, Cole Protocol, and Ghosts of Onyx in it
carmine sleet
Unknown
severe lodge
Mainly chemical
carmine sleet
It's not been confirmed if Orions had chemical augments
keen canopy
^^^ @severe lodge we know almost nothing about the specifics of ORION.
valid lantern
What is the recommended order in which I should read the books?
carmine sleet
Release order. If you go chronological, you'll be starting with the Forerunner trilogy, which is very deep lore
valid lantern
I'll be sure to look into it thankyou 😊
dull fox
I read them chronologically but I start with Contact Harvest and go back to the Forerunner Trilogy later, but release order is nice as well
obsidian thistle
Deffo release order. Maybe however start with the 2011 versions of the og trilogy of books however. As they are updated to fix errors. (Though you wont go wrong with the og versions if you like comparing)
warped bronze
Anyone wanna give me some backstory to the Mona Lisa
tall moat
Are the Reach MCC global ranks UNICOM-based rather than NAVCOM?
Why is that? I want to be a Master Chief Petty Officer, not a lame Sergeant Major 😠
And a Fleet Admiral, not General
rain token
i'm going to have to guess that the system was based on UNICOM because Noble was transferred to the army to gain further support from highcom
and considering that most the soldiers we see in the game are army and not navy
tall moat
Ah I see, but Spartans in general have always been NAVSPECWEP
rain token
yes
tall moat
And 343 really missed an opportunity for epic ranks
rain token
well, it fits in with the lore
tall moat
You’re completely right, Halopedia says they were under ‘operational control of UNSC Army Special Warfare Group Three’
obsidian thistle
Reach be weird atm
It has Specialist and Warrent Officer 3
Which are not in the the rank structures in the spartan field manual
rain token
A spartan can be whoever he wants to be 🙂
balmy birch
Right tho 👊🏼👆🏼
terse lava
Outside of armor and color, I wonder if the covenant have badges as well to go with each rank
stoic hamlet
Specialist is an Army rank though
tired river
I don’t think the covenant do, armor and colors technically are the badges
terse lava
I met more so on paper if the individual is not there
tired river
On paper the closest we have is probably the suffix at the end of their names such as -ee which indicates service to the covenant
But it’s very broad and only indicates that they’re in the covenant military, not that they have any special position
But I’m going off what I know, it’s possible someone has more information on this than I do
terse lava
Well it seems to be implied it that suffix originates in broken circle. Perhaps the various symbols on the armor
Are the representations
tall moat
And if you have the Mark of Shame insignia you’re instantly promoted to shipboard janitor
Navy AND Covenant/Banished ranks would be a dream 🤤
wide glen
Was wondering,,how the heck did humanity even fight against the convenant in ground combat without spartans to assist?
The odds are really bad
tall moat
Hitscan weaponry and gandhi hopping
wide glen
Gandhi hopping?
tall moat
Spam crouch when jumping to make headshots on you harder
Not that plasma weaponry can headshot* gameplay wise
rain token
how many groundside nukes did the unsc use during the war?
from what i've seen if the unsc are retreating they would activate a nuke
tall moat
And then conveniently in Tip of the Spear the largest engagement of the Reach campaign on humanity’s greatest stronghold, no nukes are available so we can epic dogfight board covie ship and slipspace them to oblivion
tiny yarrow
Why would the UNSC attempt a ground invasion on tip of the spear if the covenant could just glass them?
Did they not know if any ships around had glassing beams?
tall moat
The cloaking spire you destroy at the end hid the Long Night of Solace, they ‘didn’t know’ the Covenant HAD such powerful ships around
tall moat
Dont think those glass
wide glen
Are the Spartan II's the strongest out of all the programs?
tiny yarrow
Weren’t those the ones that glassed Africa?
tall moat
Yup with Spartan 1337 as the epitome of humanity
Oh CCS I thought u meant SDV stealth corvette
CCS are battlecruisers so dunno if they could slip in undetected
unique rune
On paper, Spartan-IIs and Spartan-IIIs are about equal. Only major difference is the augmentation procedures and the equipment they were given.
S-IIIs should even have an edge over -IIs, given the improvements made from -II as well as Gamma Company’s extra couple of augmentations.
tall moat
Oh right but I cant shake the disposability of the IIIs from the covie war... they always feel inferior to IIs imo
unique rune
Because this community has constructed a flawed belief that the Spartan-IIs are infallible and all-powerful, while every other Spartan program has been going downhill.
versed helm
Who would win in a 1v1 no weapon fight master chief or the arbiter. I don't have a scenario but if they for some reason had to fight
tall moat
Is MJOLNIR a weapon?
versed helm
No it's armor
sudden shuttle
No, it's armor.
tall moat
Well in Cole Protocol Jai(?-Adriana?) wrestles with the then-Arbiter and it was equally matched so im not sure
wide glen
I see
So Chief is the best,or hes good and just very lucky
@versed helm When i played H3,i always killed Arbitar for his energy sword.That shld give a rough idea
stoic hamlet
He’s nowhere near the best
He’s average, and has been beaten by others multiple times.
Cortana says as much in the opening of H3, literally the only thing he has going for him that another Spartan doesn’t is his luck, but others can handily best him, like Kurt.
tall moat
Cant be bested if theyre dead 
wide glen
Oof,so he's made out to be such a legend but he's nowhere near the top?
stoic hamlet
Yeah
Kurt was a better leader.
Li was better at Zero-gee combat.
Grace was better with explosives.
tall moat
Spartan 1337 was a better momma
stoic hamlet
John is average at everything, but other Spartans are average at everything and usually have a particular skill they excel in.
wide glen
I see
If it was John instead of Noble 6 during lone wolf,how long would he have survived for?
carmine sleet
Unknown but Chief would've still eventually have fallen to the Covenant forces
fair hazel
He might have gotten lucky
tall moat
Ooh whats this? Scarab gun how fortunate
gilded mason
Pretty sure his luck is just talking about his plot armor.
carmine sleet
A bunch of Spartans portal in after Fred radios him and says "On your left"
gilded mason
Luck isn't exactly a measurable skill.
fair hazel
It still happens
feral perch
It’s his Geas
gilded mason
lol
feral perch
I mean, luck or Geas - neither are particularly measurable
gilded mason
While I hate the geas, it'd only effect himself, not the world around him.
feral perch
I don’t think that’s the case. His Geas would certainly affect the outside world through the vehicle of his actions.
carmine sleet
I think what Ostral is getting at is that it's not like it has an area of effect
gilded mason
Yeah
fair hazel
Maybe it’s some precursor conspiracy o:
feral perch
I wasn’t saying it did. I don’t think of Geas as an aura
gilded mason
It wouldn't exactly cause an undamaged pelican to fall out of the sky next to him to escape in.
feral perch
No. But in situations of combat, he may avoid death more handily than most.
feral perch
Luck is a vague term
stoic hamlet
It’s more skill than Luck
fair hazel
Maybe the universe is alive in ways understood by the precursors and it bends to John’s favour more than others.
stoic hamlet
There have been moments where he’s gotten lucky
feral perch
Perhaps
stoic hamlet
But it’s not because of him specifically
gilded mason
That would be awful.
stoic hamlet
It’s just the situation he’s in allows for it, but of it had been anyone else it still would have happened
atomic rock
What kind of pets did civilians own?
gilded mason
I imagine the same pets we have now.
atomic rock
But imagine how many alien species they've found over a couple hundred years of space travel. They have to have tried to domesticate some new species
Like the one dog thing they did flood experiments on
terse lava
Dont recall there being ant alien pets, though could see someone trying to domesticate an infection form
atomic rock
@terse lava it's in one of hiddenxperia's videos iirc
terse lava
Modern era himans?
atomic rock
Has to do with the flood because they did flood experiments on it. Something something flood dust
stable cedar
So humans do experiments on chimpanzees because they are closest in genetic makeup to humans. Forerunners doing experiments on dogs... could be because they are closest in genetic makeup to forerunners.
terse lava
The forerunners didnt do that
proud quail
ancient humans applied space powder to their pets. said space powder was flood powder. they didnt notice because the powder was actually good for the pets for a couple years before they got increasingly rabid
and the weird space powder started spreading
quaint hearth
how did aliens get paid in the covenant?
gilded mason
Gekz is their currency, apparently
quaint hearth
huh. i wonder what the exchange rate between gekz and usd is
obsidian thistle
Kinda a mystery atm
quaint hearth
what do you think they spent Gekz on?
gilded mason
Food, supplies, weapons, etc
quaint hearth
oh
gilded mason
Expectin' something else?
deep pewter
Seeing renewed discussion about whether ||Jorge could’ve survived|| or ||whether B312 survived|| is giving me a migraine
gilded mason
lol
deep pewter
I’ve seen people arguing that Jorge just got plopped out on the other side of the slip space jump and died of oxygen depravation
That was another point that gave me a headache
keen canopy
The entire idea of Chief being lucky is that he makes his own luck
quaint hearth
jorge could have just thrown plasma grenade and jump at the right time
ornate mist
poop
keen canopy
The coin for example, he got it right every time because he had the keen eye and reactions to grab it out of the air at the right time
quaint hearth
^
deep pewter
Like there’s so much to be said about just the jump itself absolutely murdering Jorge with 0 uncertainty that there’s no need to even talk about the radiation or oxygen issue
keen canopy
@versed helm they didn't glass the entire planet
quaint hearth
he strong man who loved his mother very much. he could have survived by the sheer will that he'll see his mom again
azure garnet
Well they glassed it so much that it was probably inhabitable until of course 2582
deep pewter
It easily would have, and that’s ignoring how it basically takes a frigate to survive a jump
quaint hearth
what kind of music did the covenant like?
unique rune
I'm pretty sure Halsey's line about B312's body being turned to glass isn't exactly literal. After all, there's not really any way she could have seen what happened to it.
It's more just sort of talking about the sacrifices made at Reach.
quaint hearth
bruh the elites be rocking out to Skillet while fighting on Reach
warped bronze
Mona Lisa anyone?
rain token
what about it?
versed helm
What's the best piece of Halo music and why is it Sacred Icon Suite 2?
tall moat
Thats Halo Legends but still I concur it is the best
potent cargo
I personally love punishment from the halo 2 soundtrack the choir gives me chills and nostalgia
and the betrayal of the elites
versed helm
I love Halo Legends in general tbh
potent cargo
a good choice
versed helm
Best Master Chief armor too tbh, is it just me or did Infinite's version of Chief's armor take quite a bit of inspiration from his Halo Legends armor?
potent cargo
I think his armor was more inspired by the classic trilogy of halo games
versed helm
The shaping is quite bulky though (which I love) along with the white 117 on his chestplate.
potent cargo
I wonder how thel will look in infinite
novel lagoon
The legend armor is alright but the helmets a bit weird
versed helm
Hm
versed helm
That's, odd.
versed helm
I'm thinking the Covenant in Infinite will look how they appear in HW2.
versed helm
I like how HW2 implemented the old and new designs. The new Grunt design is more of a berserker class, whereas the classic Grunts are more akin to traditional Grunts.
It's a good compromise that, from what I've seen, makes both classic and new fans happy.
potent cargo
Completely agree
versed helm
HW2 did a good job graphically, and story-wise for me, they are trying to push a Jerome-Isabel relationship, which i am ok with
gilded mason
they are trying to push a Jerome-Isabel relationship
You mean a friendship or something romantic?
versed helm
Are you trying to fight, Ostral?
gilded mason
...Maybe.
versed helm
i mean friendship, like a John-Cortana type
versed helm
not opposed to the other
gilded mason
nein
versed helm
That's a joke
gilded mason
So you say, so you say...
stoic hamlet
You know how many terrible fanfics there are from morons who don’t understand non-romantic relationships between John and Cortana?
It’s a lot
inhales
versed helm
you mean half the fanbase?
versed helm
yea, kinda sad
stoic hamlet
Probably the same people who hated the Mary relationship in RDR2.
potent cargo
Do not bring heretic talk in here
versed helm
i hope so
gilded mason
I kinda just wanna stay away from the "ancient" era.
potent cargo
I hope especially more about the lord of admirals a worthy opponent to my Species
versed helm
well, ostral that's dumb
terse lava
@gilded masonhow come?
gilded mason
Because I have no interest in it
terse lava
Fair point
gilded mason
well, ostral that's dumb
🤔
terse lava
Would at least like to know their name. Though
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
@gilded masonwell what would you like lore.wise to e expanded on
gilded mason
I think we both know the answer to that. 😋
versed helm
Split lips
potent cargo
Hears that* *Activates halo firing sequence
gilded mason
I prefer "squidhead", thank-you-very-much!
terse lava
@gilded masontrue looks towards halo 3 commando armor lore
Would love to know who those covenant heroes are
potent cargo
Is there any books that go in depth into covenant lore and life?
gilded mason
Would love to know who those covenant heroes are
Distinctive deltoid protection calls to mind images of the heroes of the Second Illumination and their glorious successes throughout the Struggle for Ideological Purity.
Indeed.
Also Shadow of Intent
potent cargo
Danke @terse lava
terse lava
How dank?
gilded mason
Personally, i.always figured the war was flood related
Eh, the "Ideological Purity" thing makes me think it was a rebellion.
potent cargo
Covenant super carrier dank
terse lava
@gilded mason governor of contrition. Origin maybe?
stable cedar
Legacy of onyx touches on sangheili social trsditions. Ie. Being left to your own battle, no help from humans, wanting to join the army.
gilded mason
governor of contrition. Origin maybe?
Nah, doubt it.
gilded mason
Very different views on reading scripture. ...Like if you pray with your left hand, or right.
terse lava
Was against heretical group who prayed with their feet
gilded mason
...My god.
terse lava
Filthy creatures
gilded mason
Truly deserving of the judgement passed to them.
potent cargo
A karen gets offended*
terse lava
Indeed, rumors claim rather then being wiped.out, their sons and grandsons were forced into guarding the grunt breeding chambers
potent cargo
grunt breeding chambers? like mass produced styled?
terse lava
Joke from youtube parody halo video
stable cedar
@potent cargo yes, grunts were bred for war. The reason they run from battle and act immature is because most of them are only a few years old.
It mentions in legacy of onyx that grunts are mature at around 8 years or so. Id have to look it up.
terse lava
Wait
potent cargo
So your telling me ive been beating kids to death with my br? @stable cedar
terse lava
Wasnt that grunt a teen
gilded mason
Do you feel like a hero yet?
stable cedar
@potent cargo yes you have, halo prides one of its skulls on shooting kids in the head
potent cargo
I need a weapon then
terse lava
You have your own pvt army faber
Anyway, anyone find it odd that no builder soldiers survived the halo array
potent cargo
Doesn't mean I dont get my hands dirty
and what do you mean?
Weren't builder security just as susceptible to the rings firing as anyone else?
terse lava
Well I met the onea on the ark
potent cargo
The ark was effected by the blasts
gilded mason
The ark was effected by the blasts
No it wasn't
terse lava
Bornsteller,sone lifeworkers, other warrior servants, a few builders, yet no builder security
potent cargo
Then that means the entire flood fleet that was attacking it must've been left to and continued attacking the remainder forerunners
potent cargo
the lesser ark was also attacked after the greater ark was destroyed
gilded mason
The location of the lesser Ark, the one they were on, was hidden from the Flood
terse lava
Yea, the flood never made.it ro the lesser ark or knew.of it until regret was consumed
They only knew of the portal
potent cargo
If you read the book silentium the lesser ark was located eventually by mendicant bias
terse lava
Woll have to re read that
terse lava
Which is funny, dont use shield.worlds because the flood know of them
But go ahead with the greater ark
Which the flood also know of
gilded mason
While it did not know the location of the Ark, it was aware of a method to reach it via specifically designed slipspace portals and Keyships. Offensive Bias, which had managed to salvage a small number of ships from the greater Ark, was given the task of preventing Mendicant Bias from accessing Installation 00, and to buy time for the IsoDidact to activate the Halo Array.
terse lava
Actually raises question
potent cargo
Yea I just reread they met them head on to slow them down long enough
Thanks @gilded mason
gilded mason
👍
terse lava
Findnot curious ancient humans never tired to preserve life if they failed
Forerunners had the arks, humanity...nothing
potent cargo
Well the ancient humans were constantly on the run were they not?
terse lava
True
potent cargo
I did like how the didact while had deep hate for the lord of admirals showed his fear of a common enemy with him
terse lava
Yea, cant remember if fortcheno took any real comfort from that though
potent cargo
Wasn't he in a state of like paralysis though
terse lava
Cant remember
potent cargo
Would you say you feel bad for the ancient humans though? @terse lava
They were trying to stop the plague
terse lava
I guess
They didnt bother other races much apparently
Until the flood came up
They did also believe in "creating many souls"
potent cargo
From what source did you hear about that?
terse lava
Crytpum
ornate mist
s
terse lava
They are quite good, 2nd only to broken circle for me
potent cargo
I personally love the forerunner saga but i haven't read all of them yet
Im on the flood and broken circle
terse lava
Cool
quaint hearth
are elites vegans or meatarians?
unique rune
Take a look at the teeth lining their mandibles and take a guess.
Though I suppose they're technically omnivorous like humans.
versed helm
they are omnivores
wide glen
After the war ended,what happened to the covenant races like grunts,brutes etc
Did they just say no more invading and went home?
unique rune
After a faction as large and powerful as the Covenant falls apart, no one really just decides to go home.
Handful of individuals making grabs for power to pick up some of the pieces of the former Covenant.
wide glen
Humanity itself was in tatters rite
gilded mason
Yeah
unique rune
More or less
Only advantage they’ve really got over the other factions is that humanity is mostly relatively unified
gilded mason
Though even then, when you've got a once-faction as large as the Covenant, there'd probably many splinter factions as large or almost as large as the UNSC.
unique rune
Most likely.
Though I suppose it’ll probably be a long while before we see anything of the sort.
gilded mason
I am curious about how the galaxy will shape up after this Created business is finished
Hopefully less of the "Aliens and humans must work together begrudgingly and then build a healthy respect of each other after the adventure is finished." thing that tends to happen in post-war books.
unique rune
I wonder what the Created uprising thing will mean for the treatment/perception of AI in-universe once it’s all over.
Obviously it likely won’t do it any favors, but I am interested in seeing where it goes.
gilded mason
Yeah, I mean, there's no way organizations like ONI would want to let AI have the capacity for something like this anymore.
stable cedar
It will probably end with a clash between traditional sangheili and humans in their idea of what they should do with tech. Although sangheili have probably moved past that, Im sure they would want to eradicate the created instead of studying rampancy, likely something that ONI will put their grubby fingers on.
stable cedar
Considering traditional sangheili worshipped forunner as gods. Something that desecrated it would be heresy
feral perch
I wish that a large number of Sangheili could meet an imprint of the Librarian, or other surviving Forerunner, and just have a long discussion.
It would be fascinating to see how that might play out.
gilded mason
"So...all of us have been dying to know, to the point of calling each other heretics, but...do you have hair under that helmet?"
feral perch
She's got dreads lol
terse lava
@gilded masontake care arbiter, what you say is hairesy
stable cedar
Shoot what if the librarian had no actual hair and instead had the quills that the didact has
gilded mason
@terse lava
nice
terse lava
@gilded masonthank you
As for after created, kinda hard to say. One would think ai would get the covenant treatment until rampant can be cured. I am guessing though something pops up(not full flood return). Maybe the remaining forerunners return?
@stable cedarquill-like hair does seem to be a forerunner norm. At least they don't appear to have the flowing hair humans do
stable cedar
@terse lava gotta say, flowing hair would not fit them well. Youd need some sort of definable nose to have human hair
stable cedar
Having a protruding nose seems to be common for any creature with head hair. I have yet to see a creature with a flushed or flat nose that isnt bald around the site of inhalation.
terse lava
Curious
stable cedar
For example, birda have flushed noses, they are drill into the beak. Dogs and other animals with snouts have a rough piece that seperates the nostrils from the finer hairs of the muzzle. Hair tends to get places, which is why you wont naturally find an anywhere that requires sensory stimulus or is prone to abrasion.
Which is why you likely have shorter hairs on your elbow and the reason why you have no hair on your palms. That location was not made for it. In the case of the forerunners, it would likely be used as a sensory organ but since the forerunners lived for a long time and were open to artificial mutation, as in the case of the didact, the quills would be a vestigial trait, now used for mating and symbol purposes, much like human hair is now. It serves the purpose of keeping the head warm, but we still wear hats. Its just an unintentional side effect of having a concentrated bit of protein.
terse lava
Interesting
stable cedar
Of course, thats the conclusion I draw from watching
terse lava
Wait, what of the san shyuum? Their nosrd I would argue are Simon-like. Linn east in the same way as brutes or apes
stable cedar
They would have a flushed nose, although it protrudes, this protrusion could be from a modified cranium, since they are a bit smarter of a species. However yes, they do have a convex nose, the way they are structures and bred, there would be no need for an actual nose since they are slim and scaley.
And they seemed to have died out or taken refuge, so to consider their morphology would be a task of history instead of study
tame crystal
have you ever considered that there's children in the halo universe that probably have said 'when i grow up, i want to be a spartan'
if only they knew
true
spartans weren't a thing back then though
carmine sleet
The Orion program is why they call the Spartan IIs "the Spartan IIs". Originally, it was going to be called the Orion II program but Halsey didn't like the name and changed it to Spartan II
tame crystal
yes but i mean like, spartans wouldn't have been known by civilians during the orion project, would they?
carmine sleet
Nobody knew Johnson was an Orion Soldier by anyone outside a select few
tame crystal
was he publicly known as a Spartan-I? wasn't the whole project like, top secret until the spartan-IIs became a thing
carmine sleet
Even with the Spartan IIs being publicly revealed during the war as an effort to boost morale, they didn't say anything about the Orions to the public
As of the late 2550s, allot of the info on Orion is either still highly classified or lost due to hardware malfunction
keen canopy
Spartan-II program didn't even go public until 32 years into its existance
carmine sleet
The S-II program was initially started during 2510 as Orion II but later changed to Spartan II, and went public during 2547
finite gorge
I've always been confused about one thing with Halo, according to some websites the standard pistol is 50.cal, and the dmr is 7.62mm...Why is it that 500 years in the future, where spartans weigh hundreds of pounds and have thick armour, along with the elites and other enemies, would the humans still use such tiny calibre bullets? We have modern guns in OUR age that shoot 7.62 and above, and have since WW2...
You'd think so far in the future every gun would shoot 50. or over bullets, because technology had advanced so much.. in reality 7.62 wouldn't even scratch ANY of the alien or spartans armour, and if it did there's a problem 😅
JUst some food for thought thats been on my mind lately
keen canopy
Bungie had some real self-confessed "military noobs"
carmine sleet
Easy, Bungie didn't know much about how guns actually work
Even in Destiny, some of those weapons they've designed literally do not make sense in how the bullets get from the magazine to the barrel
Most of them use conventional bullets
And Thorn is hardly using conventional bullets, those things are larger than the weapon itself
Almost every non-exotic uses conventional bullets
I believe only Omolon Legendary weapons are the only ones that are completely energy based
If all the hand cannons were energy based, they would've made that clear
royal adder
I just finished reading Contact Harvest
stoic hamlet
Nice!
tired river
Is there any specific insignia for UNSC marine corps units? Like does E2/BAG/1/7 have any divisional insignia?
terse lava
Would think so
stable cedar
@tired river you mean like a unit badge?
tired river
Yeah something like that
stable cedar
In the case of spartan 2s. They would have a unit badge with their distinct teams beneath since there is so little of them. However in the case of odsts, the iconiv soeiv and skull is akin to the ranger tab, not being an actual unit crest. But since the UNSC is much like armies of today, they are likely to have unit distinction. Like how the first infantry division is a one or a flaming eagles head for an aviation unit.
tired river
Would they be the same as current military units today? Like would 7th marine regiment have the same insignia as the US 7th marine regiment since according to lore the UNSC marine corps is descended from the USMC?
stable cedar
Yes, with some alterstions. Military units are like living creatures, they change as well over time. So it wouldnt surprise me that the 7th marine regiment would still be kicking it in 2557.
stoic hamlet
Well the US doesn’t exist anymore as a country, so it wouldn’t be that specific regiment, but whatever it changed into.
stable cedar
Right, hence the units being akin to living creatures.
terse lava
Wonder if the covenant 3ver bothered creating other holy cities besides high charity
tired river
I mean, after high charity fell the covenant fell apart plus truth was very close to activating the halos. From their perspective, there would be no point in building holy cities if they were about to ascend to godhood
gilded mason
I think he means at some point during their thousands of years of existence.
tired river
Ohhhh my bad
Uh, not that we know of
High charity kinda was their central hub. They built stations that were smaller than high charity but had a similar structure to it such as unyielding hierophant
But never on the same level as high charity
stoic hamlet
There were other holy cities. Zhoist was one.
gilded mason
Yeah
stoic hamlet
Just not like High Charity but instead on, you know, regular planets
tired river
Yeeaah take what I say with a grain of salt at this point I need to brush up on my lore
Sorry my dude
gilded mason
It's fine
versed helm
So with the ending of reach taking place in 2589, what do you guys think will happen for the last couple of years
Since Infinite will take place during the 60s
stoic hamlet
halo goes far past the 2580's. we're into the 2610's actually, and the UNSC and ONI are still kicking.
versed helm
I didn’t know that
gilded mason
Seems like it, yeah
No idea. Not that into Spartans. But I heard about her sniping a banshee in a cool way.
gilded mason
Yeah, 2610
There's also a 2609 date from a Legendary bonus for Reach, from a letter's date.
Though since it's all from marketing, I wonder if 343 might ever feel like changing things as they get closer to that time period.
sacred dew
Maybe ,the deliver hope trailer is canon right? since it explains how noble 6 died
The original
sacred dew
What about landfall.in the trailer it's day but in the game it's night
tired river
It’s canon and it also shows how kat lost her arm
stable cedar
In the ending to reach where we see the planet greened over and its further in the future. Do you think humanity or the sangheili/human coalition found a way to utilize forunner vessels? The shape of that one in the cutscene does not look of human origin, at least not the UNSC industrial look
fair hazel
Linda is amaaaziiinggg, should be the best sniper
will we see the nornfang in future halo games though
gilded mason
No. Linda ate it as a snack after escaping the Cryptum.
stable cedar
Linda has been through some stuff I tell you hwut
last socket
why did Plasma Repeaters stopped being use after Reach
deep pewter
Because
last socket
deep pewter
All the elites just forgot them on the planet by accident
stable cedar
Plasma repeaters were unwieldly and required two hands to operate. Even having a slow cool down and a mandatory need to cool off the workings if used for too long. The plasma rifle cpuld be dual wielded and allowed for greater mobility. The cooling problem seems to be reduced by the splitting of components between top and bottom batteries. Plus plasma rifles are smaller and require less materials to make versus the carbine size repeater.
terse lava
A pity that logic went out the window after the war
"Let's get rid of something that worked for thousands of years, and this new, close range rifle that overheats worse"
stable cedar
Indeed, storm rifles are just repeater 2.0s
terse lava
More 1.5, black the range and power the repeater had
Lacked
Hell, the halo 3 plasma rifle had wonderful long range when used
stable cedar
Oh yeah. Sometimes I wonder if the plasma rifle fell out if fashion because there was a schism in the foundry they were made.
terse lava
Well they were made on high charity and sangheilios during the covenant era. Yet after the war we only see the brute variant made in their home moon
stable cedar
Thats true. There was a specific foundry that was stated in the halo encyclopedia for plasma rifles. I will have to look it up again. But to think that brutes use the plasma rifle or were at least able to overclock it is mind boggling. I wpuldnt have expected their race to leave the iron age
terse lava
Are you referring to to the sacred promise aery
stable cedar
No I found it. Its Iruiru armory
terse lava
Yeah that's the other one
tawdry galleon
Hey guys, I need some help / clarification with something. For the past 2 months l've been doing a Halo marathon with all books, games, media, etc. read, played, watched in chronological order of the timeline. I started with the Forerunners and have FINALLY made it to August 30th, 2552 - the last day of the Fall of Reach. I'd like some clarification on the Fall of Reach timeline, since Halo Reach basically messes with the story of the book - some of the post-release edits such as Cortana splitting herself in two / the Pillar of Autumn landing in Aszod temporarily to retrieve the Package make sense to me, but others do not. For example, if the Fall of Reach started on July 24th with the early skirmishes and then erupted into full-scale battle in the Viery Territory by August 12th, then WHY does the Master Chief and no one else in the Highlands seem to know the battle is on? I read somewhere on a forum that comms were out and they didn't know that the battle was on, but still...I think if a Supercarrier and an additional fleet of Covenant ships arrived over the planet SOMEONE else on another continent would notice...
terse lava
Point being though, seems the gun was cast aside in favor of the newer one
tawdry galleon
I'd appreciate any clarifications on the Fall of Reach timeline, just so it makes more sense to me playing Halo Reach and reading The Fall of Reach
terse lava
Check halopedia or YouTube, several halo youtubers madev dedicated to help clear things up
tawdry galleon
Geez, if Bungie had just did a little homework on their own story it would've made things a lot easier lol
terse lava
Technically they had full right to do what they wanted
tawdry galleon
I guess they just wanted to tell some cool bombastic story, and I understand the whole Games over the books theory but still...
carmine sleet
Halo Canon did a great video that details the timeline of the Fall of Reach, from when the Covenant first discovered the planet to the end of the conflict at Reach
deep pewter
They wanted to get one last “screw you” in for TFoR*
tawdry galleon
Thanks, I'll go check out the Halo Canon vid
You really gotta give Master Chief credit - he saved the human race by turning the tide of the Human-Covenant War at the Battle of Installation 04. Like they said in TFoR: humanity had weeks or a few months tops before the Covenant would find Earth and wipe out humanity. As I've been going through my marathon of books, games, and stories, the Covenant was simply unstoppable. It had to be beaten from within, and the Battle of Alpha Halo was the spark that ignited the fire of the Great Schism.
Man it keeps deleting my cool quote 😦
gilded mason
Though Truth seemed to have been planning something for a very long time. He mighjt've overplayed his hand anyway, even without John's actions.
tawdry galleon
Well really when Chief killed Regret is what caused the Great Schism to start - Truth did plan for it, but when Regret died and there was a chance of a moderate prophet replacing him in the Hierarchy, he didn't take any chances and started it then
gilded mason
It had already started, judging by ODST.
tawdry galleon
Again linked to Regret - even if he hadn't died Truth was probably mad at him "jumping the gun" at Earth
gilded mason
Yeah. Though that part wasn't linked to anything John did.
tawdry galleon
It keeps deleting my messages when I'm not writing anything "wrong"
gilded mason
Are you saying the second part of HW?
Or the word for the mystic power of characters from a very popular scifi series with a movie coming out this month?
tawdry galleon
Looked at the Halo Canon vid - now it makes a little more sense with the Winter Contingency cutting out comms and news across the planet. Makes things a little more consistent.
deft knot
Ok do you really think 117 died at the end of halo 3 and the rest of the series is just a hallucination due to cortanas rampancy
gilded mason
lol
terse lava
Heh
stable cedar
@deft knot could be but probably not. She is an AI and wpuldnt be able to manifest new ideas, much like humans.
terse lava
Clearly it's a covenant horror tale told to young sangheili and grunts before bed
bright skiff
Holy mOly
gilded mason
She is an AI and wpuldnt be able to manifest new ideas, much like humans.
Not sure what you mean there.
deft knot
@stable cedar but id assume that halo’s ai’s are a lot more advanced that what we know irl and let’s assume your right in halo 5 guardians doesn’t cortana become mildly able to manifest ideas ?
stable cedar
People like jul mdama or the guardian concept. She wouldnt be able to come up with them. Humans are literally incapable of coming up with absolutely original ideas, hence why trends and parodies can be seen everywhere. We as a race are explainers, not creators. Cortana being modelled after a human brain, she wpuld fall in the same category, she has limits and acts very human.
@deft knot cortana seems to play the role of the homewrecker of the UNSC. Chief even points out that most of the things she says are psychological tactics.
deft knot
Fair enough
gilded mason
People like jul mdama or the guardian concept. She wouldnt be able to come up with them. Humans are literally incapable of coming up with absolutely original ideas
Writers at 343 literally came up with Jul 'Mdama and Guardians, and they're humans (as far as I know).
terse lava
@gilded masonthink they mean more on the example of fiction in general. The forerunners? Romans/greeks. Brutes? Germanic barbarians. Etc
carmine sleet
Wait, the writing team at 343i aren't lizard people? My conspiracy is ruined!
feral perch
ok warrior-servant
carmine sleet
But seriously, the 343i writing team are humans
terse lava
@feral perchpardon?
feral perch
I was making a joke
carmine sleet
And if I recall, the concept of the Guardians dates back to the cut Guardian Sentinel from Halo 3
terse lava
Thought so
gilded mason
think they mean more on the example of fiction in general. The forerunners? Romans/greeks. Brutes? Germanic barbarians. Etc
I thought his point was that Cortana could not have thought up the idea of Halo 4 and 5 because, like a human, she can't come up with new ideas. Even though humans came up with those ideas anyway.
inland gorge
In the Age of Ancients the world was unformed, shrouded by fog. A land of gray crags, Archtrees and Everlasting Dragons. But then there was Fire and with fire came disparity. Heat and cold, life and death, and of course, light and dark. Then from the dark, They came, and found the Souls of Lords within the flame. Nito, the First of the Dead, The Witch of Izalith and her Daughters of Chaos, Gwyn, the Lord of Sunlight, and his faithful knights. And the Furtive Pygmy, so easily forgotten.With the strength of Lords, they challenged the Dragons. Gwyn's mighty bolts peeled apart their stone scales. The Witches weaved great firestorms. Nito unleashed a miasma of death and disease. And Seath the Scaleless betrayed his own, and the Dragons were no more. Thus began the Age of Fire. But soon the flames will fade and only Dark will remain. Even now there are only embers, and man sees not light, but only endless nights. And amongst the living are seen, carriers of the accursed Darksign. Yes, indeed. The Darksign brands the Undead. And in this land, the Undead are corralled and led to the north, where they are locked away, to await the end of the world... This is your fate. Only, in the ancient legends it is stated, that one day an undead shall be chosen to leave the undead asylum, in pilgrimage, to the land of ancient lords, Lordran.
gilded mason
Seath was a good boy. But that's a bit off-topic.
inland gorge
It’s lore but I just wanted to do a joke
terse lava
What the?
gilded mason
Dark Souls intro
inland gorge
Good lore
quaint hearth
how do nobel 6 survive reentry but george die in explosion?
pallid bolt
well the "bomb" they used was a working slip space drive they rigged to malfunction. It didn't "blow up", it just sent a large section of the ship (including Jorge) into slip space with now way out.
terse lava
Along with ropping the Corvette to bits
pallid bolt
assuming his armor could withstand slip space, he would die from lack of oxygen.
sacred dew
He'd get erased like what happened in first stirke
unique rune
B312 also had a re-entry pack.
sacred dew
Is it just me or do unsc ship designs except the prowler look like giant guns even the infinity looks like a forerunner shotgun
gilded mason
That's the point, yes.
sacred dew
And covenant ships look like fish
stable cedar
Juat got back. The ideas for the characters take examples from previously thought of ideas in sciemce fixtion. What I mean is that if they never had the idea of the guardian, cortana cpuldnt create it if ahe was in a rampancy state, since she wpuld be overthinking. She cpuld make parodies of ideas she already has, but she can never come up with a truly original idea. So a guardian using emp blasts could originate as a super massive sentinel that uses a similar device to 343 guilty's force push in his boss battle.
Yes 343 are humans, but all ideas made come from inspirations and renditions
feral perch
Not all ideas...
quaint hearth
did the covenent ever use real guns before making plasma weapons?
sacred dew
The brutes may be the closest with there non plasma based weapons
quaint hearth
did elites and cute grunts use guns before plasma?
sacred dew
I think the elites invented plasma weapons,and guns I think never got to the industrial stage
versed helm
covenant have only used plasma IIRC
keen canopy
Beam rifle is a particle cannon
Fuel rod and carbine aren't plasma
Blamite weapons neelder etc
plenty of non-plasma weapons
stable cedar
When the grunts were discovered, they were in the industrial age. Elites used swords as weapons during the san shyuum war
terse lava
Sangheili may have developed projectile weapons at some point, but they were using plasma thousands of years before the covenant. The san shyuum meanwhile only made plasma weps afywe fleeing their homeworld
versed helm
i didn't mean only plasma, bad choice of words
stable cedar
If yoi think about it. Most of the covenants weapons use gas or liquid. Plasma being a superheated gas
The needles of the needler are crystalline but are manifested from a gas inside the weapon. Hence why the needles shoot out the top and they are formed from the barrel in a gaseous to solid state.
Carbines seem operated by use of gas, launching in one direction or being a laser of sorts, same with the beam rifle.
And a fuel rod is basically a propane flask thrower.
small geyser
Yeah how do the carbines work? Was always curious
stable cedar
It seems like a lot of covenant weapons cause radiation. Especially the stickies.
Do we know what the ammunition of carbines is?
keen canopy
What's your source for needler ammunition being gas?
Because in Halo CE it was just a solid crystal
stable cedar
Right, its a crystal at room temperature or exposed to air. One second
stable cedar
But how does a block of crystal move through the weapon?
It doesnt explain exactly. Apparently the covenant has no idea how it works either
keen canopy
They don't know how it tracks, or identifies friend or foe
But the loading mechanism is pretty straightforward
you insert the large crystal into the weapon and it gets pushed up and split into needles
who knows how it fires though
terse lava
Only san shyuum, huragok, and sangheili weapon Smith's wood know how it truly works
keen canopy
The knowledge was probably lost along with the rest of the Sangheili's culture
gilded mason
Sangheili still know how to work weapons/ships/armor
keen canopy
Not as much as they knew before they joined the Covenant
They regressed a lot, to the point of not understanding many of their own weapons.
The needler is confirmed to be 100% sangheili made, no Forerunner tech involved.
Which makes sense, seeing as not using Forerunner tech was the entire reason for their war with the Prophets
gilded mason
They regressed a lot, to the point of not understanding many of their own weapons.
Sangheili engineers apparently know enough to create enhanced versions of things like carbines, plasma rifles, and beam rifles. Regarding needlers, I don't think it was ever said they lost knowledge regarding it. Though it was said that post-war Sangheili scientists have discovered new properties, at least.
stable cedar
I also want to add. The type 33 needler is reverse engineered from forerunner tech.
gilded mason
It is not
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/weapons/needler
Even by Covenant standards the Needler is an unusual weapon and is one of the few designs that requires no reverse-engineered Forerunner technology to function.
stable cedar
I read isnt as is. My mistake. Still, the thing is tricky. The needles may be pushed through the roof of the weapon, but a crystal cannot be made to pierce through like that unless is it reformed.
versed helm
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stable cedar
This shows that the needles would be too big. Its a theory but if it were melted inside the weapon and when reloading, the weapon is allowed to ready the blamite in shards above the gun.
versed helm
=(((((((
stable cedar
@versed helm where is your story?
keen canopy
@gilded mason It goes without saying that they lost knowledge regarding it, seeing as they created it, and then at a later date, didn't understand it anymore.
keen canopy
The prophets are implied to have figured it out, but that info was lost with High Charity
stable cedar
@keen canopy you make a solid point. Even when they tried figuring it out, there was no extra components to the weapon. Like its tupperware for blamite
keen canopy
The San Shyuum are established to have gone out of their way to regress the Elites. Co-opting the position of Arbiter is just one example, Sesa seems to come to the realisation that they've done a lot more than just that.
solemn void
I know that Noble 6 is supposed to be open to our own interpretations as to how they look like, but I gotta ask. Is there a "canonical" representation of S-312 according to official sources?
solemn void
I know that at one point, Six ordered and was cleared for a Recon helmet but it was unclear as to whether he received it before he died
unique rune
Pretty sure there is.
Can't remember if he's supposed to use regular Mk. V[B] or Mk. V[B] with the UA attachment.
terse lava
Likely just the default or recon
keen canopy
@unique rune Both are okay
keen canopy
He requested Recon at some point
solemn void
All Steel colours as well, right?
keen canopy
Yes
terse lava
As default as you can get
solemn void
Oh so just requested?
keen canopy
He was approved also
But it would take time to get to him
And all depictions have been with Mark V [B]
solemn void
Oh, nice. I just wanna try and see if I could make a "definitive" Noble 6, with input from you guys
Default knees, right? Not FJ-PARA?
terse lava
Well already good then
solemn void
Oooh, they had a plan? What else did they include in their setup?
😳
Mark V [B] basic, right? Not UA or UA with attachment?
keen canopy
Well in their very first depiction of 6, he had a the tac wrist attatchment (he still glances at it at the beginning of Exodus) Mark V [B] with the UA attachment, and FJ-PARA knees
They later changed it to plain default, likely so a first time player would be able to jump in as definitive Six
terse lava
Amusing they had all that thought out for a blank slate
solemn void
Oh he glanced at it? Okay, you may have just settled my "shopping list"
Many thanks, my dudes. Y'all helped me out a lot 🍜
terse lava
Actually on the topic of reach, the brutes
They look rather thin compared to 2 and 3. As their homeworld was said to have high gravity, could the reach ones be from one of the moons?
keen canopy
As the ones in Reach were serving under Elite Shipmasters, they were probably Brutes from the weaker packs.
Whereas Halo 2 was Tartarus's pack, and 3 were Truth's secretly assembled and trained forces
terse lava
3 were not that, only 12 vessels survived from his fleet prior to battle of earth
keen canopy
You mean the Fleet Truth sent to Earth after Regret's failed assault?
keen canopy
Right, 12 survived the destruction of the Uneven Elephant, but after that he spent more time rebuilding it, though it's not stated exactly how many ships he assaulted earth with
It was considerably more than 12
terse lava
Yes, but the ones from odst
keen canopy
Wiki says:
Unknown large numbers of ships during the Battle of Earth.
Roughly 30 ships during the Battle of the Ark.