it doesn't work but the majority of them you see in the games are usually shooting at you so the bulk you see are warriors
#lore-and-universe
rustic canyon
dreamy terrace
So how many Sangheili are in existence?
versed helm
Well sangheili culture and society put the warrior life ahead of everything else prior to the writ
Their population seems to perhaps be slightly less dense than humanity.
Judging off the Warfleet population figures
Or at least more diffused
dreamy terrace
What figure is that?
versed helm
Like 7 Billion on Sangheilios
Its sporadic. Some colonies have more pop than others
Their colonies all have a couple billion though
dreamy terrace
Alright. What are the colonies in adition to that?
versed helm
Compared to Earth with billions and billions on Earth and hundreds of millions on the colonies
dreamy terrace
Alright. So we have somethign like 10 billion between Sanghelios, Malurok and Hesduros alone, plus all the other colonies. All of these are warriors?
versed helm
The majority of the adult males, yes.
The philosophy held by Sangheili is very much one were all aspire to be warriors.
dreamy terrace
So that's the majority of well over 5 billion individuals that are warriors.
feral perch
Except the guys on Glyke, heheh. They’re not warriors anymore
dreamy terrace
How does the covenant military afford such an army?
versed helm
Good question
I'd say roughly 80% of their society is warriors. 10% priests. 10% women (which the swords allow women to serve in the military)
dreamy terrace
The filter on this discord is TERRIBLE btw
versed helm
Oh, I know.
Frankly it's inappropriate to subject Halo fans to
And whoever's responsible should probably feel bad for being overbearing
feral perch
I like it. Ignore Looters. He’s cranky. 
versed helm
Anyway, I'd hazard a guess that most Sangheili soldiers don't fight for wages.
It's a Crusader ethos
feral perch
Sangheili fight for glory and something to put in their song of heritage
versed helm
Well, we don't know a terrible amount about the Covenant economy
But when you have a society in which being a warrior is so thoroughly expected and ingrained into social norms
gilded mason
We also know Vadam uses serfs and fishermen to bring profit to their ports.
versed helm
Well, the collapse of the covenant probably ruined the economic situation for every member species
You'd probably fight to gain privileges as part of that society, for your own self-esteem, for the sake of the Great Journey, and presumably to have your needs fulfilled in a manner which doesn't involve getting your bank account nice and plump.
dreamy terrace
I mean, I get that Halo's current writers badly want us to believe that the warrior mentality is so thoroughly ingrained that mostly all adult males are warriors, but it's terribly unrealistic. That's a huge proportion of the species that is economically a drain on resources.
versed helm
I mean, you say that
But we don't really have any hard stats to back things up
We're just exchanging suppositions here
It's impossible to rule something as realistic or unrealistic without any science
So that's not really a useful phrase
dreamy terrace
Well, what hard stats would we need?
versed helm
Ones we don't have
But we do have believability to discuss
So let's try and come up with an interpretation that makes this work
when its fiction their stats are law
And not make hard'n'fast statements that can't be backed up
That's how lore discussion is best conducted
With humility and creativity
Okay so sangheili society is entirely class and feudal based much like historical japan
dreamy terrace
I'm not really making statements. I'm just asking questions about the fundamentals of how this society can even function with so many people being economically inactive and essentially wards of the state.
versed helm
So ho much of ancient Japanese society was warrior based?
Well, first off, the Sangheili don't necessarily represent that much of the Covenant.
It's difficult to put down a hard figure
But there's a few more of them than there are Prophets
Majority of the covenant is unggoy
There's probably less than there are Jackals
WAAAAAAYYY less than there are Grunts
Since the unggoy reproduce at suck erratic rates.
And roughly equal terms perhaps with the Brutes?
People say that the Brute population doesn't make any sense
How so?
But I think they conceptualize Brute population growth as effectively starting with the Covenant
terse lava
Ok, now that I caught up with all this, not all sangheili would be warriors. Plenty would fill civilian roles such as farmers and weapon crafters. Look at the merchants who made various weapons for the Coveannt and.later groups. The armor smiths.that made the.storm harnesses
versed helm
So they feel there shouldn't be nearly enough Brutes to put up a serious fight in the Schism
I think theres more ssangheili than brutes. The brutes did nuke themselves to near extinction prior to joining the covenant
gilded mason
We know there are merchant families (and well-respected ones), serfs, fishermen, engineers, and manufacturers that don't have to do with soldier-ing.
dreamy terrace
I think I see where you may be going. The Sangheili overall are a large minorrity in the Covenant and so this cohort can be sustained by the productivity of the other species?
terse lava
But we know such things were considered secondary skills next to learning.combat
versed helm
But they are all trained as warriors, since they dont know their fathers and are all raised together in the keeps. I'd assume the weaker ones would fill the other classes outside of warriors
I also think it's worth floating here that just because all Sangheili are warriors, it doesn't necessarily preclude them from fulfilling other roles in a partial capacity.
You could see Sangheili warriors serving basic social roles when they're not off fighting on some other planet
As in, gathering food or performing labour
But that's more of a subsistence thing
terse lava
Look at females, no military service outside of research, and are in charge of guarding the keep when the males are away
versed helm
Also how the heck do merchant families work given the keep system
It would be difficult to uh
terse lava
Everyone may be trained to be a warrior, but not everyone becomes one
versed helm
Achieve that
Since nobody knows who their daddy is
Is it like an adopted family?
Or is the entire keep like a merchant keep?
gilded mason
Fury’s creator was an artisan of sublime genius and skill, though he eventually shunned his family’s traditional ties with Lodam Armory to perfect the art of the kill and the craftsmanship of orbital assaults.
I think this quote gives a good impression of Sangheili that might not involve themselves with war. From what this implies, armory workers aren't in the business of killing, outside of people that might decide to leave.
terse lava
Perhaps the merchants are a unique case, or just the typical "uncle thing, it is hinted some fathers trained their own sons while pretending to be an uncle
versed helm
I'm not sure I share that interpretation of the quote.
I think it's entirely possible that a family of Sangheili - however that actually works - could still very much be warriors despite working with or for an armoury.
I don't think the language precludes the family in question from being killers at all
It just means that the creator became some kinda hardcore super-killer, seemingly in a capacity relating to space warfare
gilded mason
Though it really doesn't sound like it'd be a primary aspect, just tertiary if at all.
versed helm
And it also doesn't necessarily indicate that it is typical for a Sangheili "family"
Once again
However that works
To be associated with arms manufacture
And I also really do want to re-iterate that it is almost expected for those who design armaments to have some connection with the military themselves
It could be that the patriarch of the family is an older Sangheili who's completed his military service
And his sons were expected to fill his niche when they completed theirs
But I'm pretty sure that would all make them warriors in spirit
late pasture
also i have q uestion
versed helm
And also weapons manufacturing isn't necessarily the sort of trade that is useful to broader society
There's a difference between plasma rifles and barns
late pasture
was it ever explained how the covenant got on reach in the first place without anyone knowing
gilded mason
There's a difference between plasma rifles and barns```
Though of course, we still got the aforementioned merchants, fishermen, engineers, etc.And all the women.
versed helm
Well you can probably write off fishermen as that's not exactly a high-skill career
I could be a fisherman
It's just a thing people do and sometimes make money off
Engineers - well, engineering can be a facet of military expertise, though I'd like to know the exact example
And if we go off the Spartan/Helot comparison, then the women just housekeep and do wife things
And prepare themselves for the eventuality of having to fight in defence of their home
gilded mason
Having fishing fleets is a bit involved, I'd say.
versed helm
And I would further reaffirm the perspective that if every man in Sangheili society is primarily a warrior, it doesn't mean that no Sangheili male can ever do anything else and that there wouldn't be examples of it
dreamy terrace
It undermines the narrative that they are incapable of sufficient division of labour though.
Especially for billions of Sangheili who are warriors but don't do any fighting by virtue of there being far too many of them.
versed helm
Sorry what narrative are you talking about there
Are you referring to the social issues that were created by the sudden collapse of the Covenant?
terse lava
@late pastureactive camo on the mega carrier that allowed it to pass by the defenses
dreamy terrace
The one that establishes that the Sangheili as a species have an insufficiently varied skill and labour base.
versed helm
Because it only undermines it if you have a black and white perspective. There is a spectrum here - there's enough skilled specialists for them to occasionally pop up, but there weren't enough on Sanghelios to avoid social issues when the Covenant fell apart.
Everything in life is on a spectrum
Black and white arguments cause nothing but confusion
After the schism, sangheili still relied heavily on grunts and brutes that didn't join Jul's covenant
And, also, there is room for every Sangheili to be a warrior but for warriors to also fulfil unskilled labour or go on to become more specialized.
low crown
well if you think about it during thew years of the covenant the elites were too valuable to be used as simple farmers when the grunts could do it around as well.
versed helm
I hope you copied that
dreamy terrace
Yes but if we say that even a minority of the billions of warriors were capable of multiskilling, that still leaves us with a huge number of specialists.
versed helm
I dearly hope you copied that
gilded mason
Welp. Forgot about the filter
gilded mason
aaa
dreamy terrace
the filter is what keeps me away from here most of the time tbh
versed helm
If you're typing something really long on this server
Yeah, since they lost the science aspect from their society when the prophets betrayed them, they now had a new role in their class system. Which humanity did help them with.
dreamy terrace
it's too annoying.
versed helm
Ctrl + C that biarch before you hit send
That way you can post it in chunks
If it doesn't work
But Voka just against your recent argument
It's not about overall number of specialists
It's about the number of specialists in proportion to the overall Sangheili population
I can imagine many of the specialists being absent for whatever reason (killed on High Charity, swept up, concentrated or gone on account of the civil war), and I can imagine there being sectors where Sangheili are simply not drawn to even if they wish to become a specialist.
Medical treatment
gilded mason
Here's a few engineering things I remember:
“They could have us under surveillance right now,” said the smaller Sangheili nervously. He peered down the hallway. Though he carried a rifle, he was dressed as an engineering officer, not a warrior.
[...] a handful of Plasma Rifle variants have been produced over the ages as bespoke creations of Sangheili artisan-armorers for influential clients and heroes of renown who were above Ministry sanction.
Sangheili artisan-armorers on remote colonies have revived the harness with modern advancements to hunt down Jiralhanae raiding packs.
Growing up, Silset and Oebrin ‘Chava had always shown a keen talent for optimizing instruments of [battle]. Whether destined for the battlefield or the hunting preserves, modifications born of their expertise quickly became a favorite of other skilled warriors; customizations that oftentimes drew the ire of any San’Shyuum who might get wind of such “unsanctioned” deviations – much to the brothers’ suppressed satisfaction. Eventually, Silset accepted a commission within the Sacred Promissory, where his extensive knowledge and experience with the Subanese crystals was put to use. Oebrin took a role at Iruiru Armory, and helped drive lethal advancements in the Covenant’s Carbine and Particle Beam Rifle platforms.
versed helm
Doctors are honorless in sangheili culture
Many of those quote relate to my other argument
dreamy terrace
I mean, there's just over 1.6 million engineers of all stripes in the US, which serves a population of 360 million.
versed helm
Weapons manufacture is the sort of specialization you would expect a warrior species to favour
dreamy terrace
And about 1 million doctors.
gilded mason
Medical treatment
Though even if they don't like them, they still know how to do it, if even a weapons officer can use the medical tools efficiently.
versed helm
Eh it's a grey area lore wise
Medical treatment is seen as taboo
I mean most Sangheili understand basic medicine that is not seen as dishonourable
They mention it in cole protocol
But I would imagine that Sangheili becoming medical personnel is very much another thing the Arbiter realized needed to happen after seeing the UNSC in action
So you're probably not gonna find any Sangheili neurosurgeons
Since doctors have to "let blood or cut" it is seen as dishonorable to their warrior creed
They do have super advanced medical technology from the prophets
Which they have let humans study post war
gilded mason
Though that part kinda comes to the other point about how the culture can't really be that homogenous, considering how vast the Covenant was, with systems sometimes disappearing for decades.
versed helm
But to the warriors, its better to die in battle than have to get treatment
I would say that the Covenant could absolutely homogenize certain concentrations of Sangheili
gilded mason
Like Hesduros, which was functioning fine out of contact with everyone else for a year.
versed helm
But yeah, I do agree that there would be fringe Sangheili who don't work the same way
But the concentrations of Sangheili that are culturally homogenized to produce and value warriors above all else would represent a majority
Or at least a majority which is relevant to the Halo narrative - i.e. on Sangheilios
low crown
can someone please explain what happened to the brute honor guards at the end of halo 2 because you would think truth would have brought at least some of them on the key ship. its even confirmed in the external media (pease correct me if i'm wrong) where you see chief fight one on the dreadnought. the only explanation i can think of is that truth for whatever reason decided to re-outfit the brute honor guards with new equipment. if someone could clear this up for me that would be great.
sorry if this off topic you don't have to awnser.
versed helm
Well strictly speaking, Brute honor guards weren't a thing. There were just Brutes who'd grabbed Sangheili honor guard doodads and were parading around with them on.
potent cargo
Yea^ they were kinda thrown on the spot
versed helm
Truth was protected by top-notch Brute soldiers
But they just weren't a long-standing honor guard, nor were they using ill-fitting Sangheili gear
Which they probably did to goad the Sangheili during the Schism
Yeah, honor guard armor was more for show than anything
Much like the arbiters armor
potent cargo
That does not mean they were ordinary, they were top tier warriors
low crown
i guess so, but where did all the armor go. it would be easier to just where it than to find a new suit if you consider whats going on because the have to look out for master chief on the ship with them.
sorry miss spell thy have to look out
versed helm
Well it wasn't armour, even.
It was just helmets
Sangheili honor guard armour wouldn't fit on a Brute
And all the Brutes in Halo 3 have way better armour than what those "honor guards" would've been wearing
low crown
yeah but i could say the same for the normal halo 2 brute armor
versed helm
Exactly
Why would Truth want to be guarded by un-armoured Brutes with looted helmets
When he could be being guarded by crack Brute troops with flashy new power armour that's built for them
low crown
fair enough but he was fine being guarded in halo 2
versed helm
Well the H2 brutes were on bath salts
potent cargo
I am sure they were thinking more of the the elites are no longer fit for those duties and more worried about making the brutes to be their successors
low crown
but we all know how that worked out.
potent cargo
rather than say worrying about the actual practicality of their armor sets
lmao yes
versed helm
I wonder if Brute power armour is like the shield-reinforced plating of Autumn-class heavy cruisers
It seems to be ablative in nature
The armour takes a hit, then sensors trigger layers of shielding in the plates
potent cargo
I always wondered about how the covenant spoke to and made the hunters agree to the alliance.
low crown
probably not because i don't think the covenant would extract that mineral from human worlds it is found but it could be a similar type of mineral.
versed helm
What I meant was that the plating is similarly engineered
But yes, as you say, likely uses different materials
low crown
sorry. but thanks
low crown
yup
potent cargo
This is new to me, and I like it
low crown
replying @potent cargo the probably used a grunt to talk to them because apparently they are great at learning new languages.
late pasture
@terse lava wait so they dont have scanners? reach was supposed to be the second most important planet to the unsc. it seems wierd that they wouldnt have scanners to scan for ships trying to sneak past the defeneses
low crown
well the covenant probably had some new for of camouflage.
versed helm
If I'm not mistaken, the O in its name symbolizes Forerunner tech
So hypothetically the CSO-class could have pilfered Forerunner stealth systems
low crown
well that's cool.
potent cargo
Who knew the covies were that good at reverse engineering forerunner tech
versed helm
It's their thing.
gilded mason
And without a geas, too. Good fer them.
low crown
well it is the base of their society and have been doing it for centuries.
terse lava
Yep, love that part @gilded mason
versed helm
Huragok could certainly have had some role in helping out.
low crown
most likely.
gilded mason
Ye
versed helm
They have a tendency to inadvertently give the Covenant terrifying new capabilities
terse lava
Yes, for the san shyuum. Love it how the sangheili required no forerunner tech for plasma weapons
gilded mason
What? Ah.
versed helm
WELL
terse lava
Typo
versed helm
I mean that's one interpretation
The other interpretation is that there were Forerunner ruins on Sanghelios
terse lava
One? Not one, look at broken circle
versed helm
And the Sangheili used them without help from the Prophets
terse lava
They didnt use forerunner round or te h until the tale end of the war
versed helm
I mean wasn't the cause of the War of Beginnings (if that's what it's called) someone's exploitation of Forerunner tech?
Ah, so the Prophets were the exploiters.
terse lava
The san shyuum using it yes
potent cargo
Yea they didn't knock politely usually
late pasture
yeah that was the whole cause of conflict i think. the prophets wanted to use the forerunner tech and the elites were like no bruh, we don do that here
potent cargo
reasonable but manipulative
gilded mason
The Prophets were the more reasonable
Or at least. These Sannies
terse lava
Not reasonable at all
gilded mason
Remember, the Reformist San'Shyuum had a previous falling out with their own people about this
terse lava
You think they would have left had the sangheili said no?
potent cargo
Haha nope
terse lava
This was the race that went " cant beat them. Glass them"
versed helm
Huh
terse lava
Sangheili saw glassing as without honor
versed helm
I wonder if the reticence of the Prophet Stoics and the Sangheili to use Forerunner tech was a geas
Designed to ensure humans would come out on top
terse lava
No
gilded mason
Nah
gilded mason
Uergh
terse lava
No
versed helm
Yeah, you right
potent cargo
Ooo i smell a burn
terse lava
Remove your heresy
versed helm
The less geas stuff the better
gilded mason
Indeed
dreamy terrace
anti-gravity as well
gilded mason
Click it
terse lava
Ha
versed helm
WHAT
Oh wait
Darn hinge heads
For a second I was terrified that hinge heads was filtered
And I was like
gilded mason
lol
late pasture
the filters on this bot are kinda dumb
versed helm
I'm not even allowed to use fictional slurs now?
terse lava
But we know mendicant taught the san shyuum in the key ship to make plasma tech, humans only managed a tank once
versed helm
What's the world come to
dreamy terrace
are we allowed to say glassing yet
terse lava
Only the sangheili proved good enough to make it the morm
gilded mason
the filters on this bot are kinda dumb
Yeah, but we must endure. For our Great Journey.
late pasture
like why can we not curse. most halo games had an M rating
dreamy terrace
wew
late pasture
if theres kids here then oh well. if their parents dont want them reading curse words they should monitor them
gaunt oakBOT
late pasture
OOF
gilded mason
...Oh.
late pasture
can we get an F in the chat for the homies
terse lava
?!
dreamy terrace
eh?
gilded mason
Hm...
dreamy terrace
why
terse lava
What happened
late pasture
how long do those mutes last?
unique rune
Too many messages that he sent must've set off the bot.
Oops.
terse lava
I assume a few days
gilded mason
That is very silly.
potent cargo
Is that that god awful bot
terse lava
Idk for sure
potent cargo
Excuse me mantle awful bot
terse lava
bows noble Faber, you grace us
late pasture
yeah they honestly need to yeet this bot into the sun
potent cargo
After the firings of Halo and losing of my family to the abomination, I grace no one
terse lava
Actually on the forerunners. I wonder how humanity would have been treated had they surrendered like the san shyuum and been sealed to their home world
With their tier 2 tech still used. Would they have helped the forerunners during the later battle
low crown
all the forerunners died, wait how are you still here?
oh and i'm still here.
you know the easter egg grunt n halo 5 makes a good point about the flood and forerunners.(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZjGAVONgTg
2:45)
tawny echo
Yeah
stoic hamlet
I feel personally attacked:
MCC Mark V shoulder description:
“Issued November 2551; able to work with all current Powered and Semi-Powered armour systems.”
potent cargo
I am just a fragment of my consciousness left behind on a system similar to the librarians
feral perch
Why, Canadian?
full forge
I feel like it's probably too heavy to be mounted on SPI.
feral perch
Ah, I saw them elsewhere just now
full forge
Speaking of, how come Tom and Lucy get Mjolnir but not the Ferrets? Surely they're important enough. Do they just prefer the camouflage over the shielding and strength?
stoic hamlet
Because they don’t need it
SPI’s camo is better than MJOLNIR
G-059 also uses SPI on her operations, or at least the one we’ve seen her on.
And that’s set in 2558
full forge
Can't shoot what you can't see.
sharp adder
image facing invisble suicie grunts
full forge
Plasma is too bright for camo.
stoic hamlet
But you can see cloaked MJOLNIR, like, super easily.
Active Camo like how the Covenant and MJOLNIR does it gives off lots of heat, SPI does not.
sharp adder
they dont light them till they are right beside you
full forge
"When stealth and guile fail, the direct approach is often the best."
SPI isn't as great as Mjolnir when it comes to immediate engagements I feel.
I mean, if it was then every Spartan would wear it.
stoic hamlet
They don’t need to necessarily fight them, we’ve seen how easily you can counter active camo in The Flood, and Headhunters.
sharp adder
image if hunters had personal sheilds
stoic hamlet
Yeah it’s a Trade off.
You sacrifice armour (honestly not much when it’s Plasma) for increased stealth.
full forge
But uh, especially in Retribution when they were in the mine on Meridian. I feel like the gammas could have been a lot more effective with Mjolnir.
proud quail
is gamma even compatible with mjolnir
full forge
The betas are, so presumably yes.
proud quail
that was under project chrysantium or whatever, wasnt it?
full forge
I mean, in Halo: Reach every spartan on Noble asides from Jorge is a SIII.
I don't know what that is.
unique rune
All of Noble's Spartan-IIIs were Alpha or Beta company.
feral perch
Project: CHRYSANTHEMUM is the augmentation program for IIIs
sharp adder
ther were only about 33 spartan 2s rest were spartans 3s
stoic hamlet
Every III is compatible with MJOLNIR yeah
sharp adder
then there ws the sparatn ones
full forge
The only alteration I'm aware of for Gamma that sets them apart from the rest of the IIIs is that illegal mutagen. So I'd assume they are just as compatible.
stoic hamlet
Yep, that’s all that makes them different
eager nymph
Food
polar elm
Again on Metisette in a methane heavy atmosphere, ODSTs and Jai are firing guns with everything not igniting. That is just so weird. Oh well.
Another question, we define a year as the time it takes for Earth to orbit Sol. Why does everyone else in the universe use the same unit of time? Shouldn't they be using something else?
Especially the other species like Forerunners
We know that the Covenant use cycles
*Ages
Cycles are for a daily basis sort of thing
polar elm
Oh my bad then.
potent cargo
Indeed our methodology is very unorthodox
polar elm
I find the whole measurement system to be wonky and arbitrary. One of the only things that does make sense is temperature though. All other units appear to be wonky since they're measured relatively, for example time or length.
But I suppose it's the best we can do.
stoic hamlet
A lot of it it’s wonky, and it’s best not to think about it too hard.
polar elm
Yeah I know. It's fun thinking about this stuff though.
stoic hamlet
It’s why UNSC Military Calender is used for like all the early books.
potent cargo
It really is but specifics is alot of grey area
polar elm
I remember back in First Strike where Nylund made a glaring error in a Pelican's crashing speed. It was 300m/s. You best bet that everyone aboard would die.
stoic hamlet
Yeah there’s.....some stuff
polar elm
I annotated that to 30 instead.
polar elm
I think I figured out the Metisette problem. The atmosphere doesn't have any oxidizing gas to support combustion.
polar elm
Why do the Covenant call us humans? It's our name for ourselves. It stands to reason that they'd have a different name for our species like we have for theirs, similar to Jackals or Elites or whatever.
The Spartans are called demons but I guess that's about it.
stoic hamlet
The same reason they use the human designations in Halo 2.
Ease of reading.
polar elm
Gotcha
stoic hamlet
They do adopt/they have different names, we just don’t see it in the early books
Humans as a whole are referred to as “Infidels”.
ODST’s are occasionally termed “Imps” or “Black-Suits”.
polar elm
That's cool
I wonder what it'd be like reading the books from a neutral third party race POV. We are humans and we're implicitly on the side of humanity but some Covenant viewpoints make a lot of sense, even though they're quite limited.
stoic hamlet
It would depend on their values and views on ethics and morals.
polar elm
They're all driven by religion and beliefs but it's so refreshing to come across a few who think critically and examine their actions as a whole race towards humanity
Some say that the Great Journey should be shared with all who live
Thel has heard this slightly but chose to adhere to his dogmatic belief instead of giving it a thought.
It seems humanity is the only race who does a little bit of critical thinking.
And I think Xytan 's fleet was also a refreshing take.
polar elm
@stoic hamlet, you were right. The Metisette sequence was amazing.
polar elm
By the way, throughout H2, Thel is referred to only as the Arbiter. When exactly did we learn his name?
remote spruce
instruction booklet?
or maybe Cole Protocol
if it's the latter that is actually a good plot twist
polar elm
Exactly. I guess it's impossible to preserve that plot twist in the modern era but I guess the OG players were in for a real surprise.
Cole Protocol only shows Thel becoming Shipmaster in Fleet of Particular Justice.
remote spruce
yo that's like, the end of the novel
polar elm
Even then we didn't know that the Arbiter was the Fleetmaster of Particular Justice was Thel
We just knew he was a FM.
shy pelican
So I've never played Halo: Reach before
Is it just the game version of Halo: The Fall of Reach novel?
Are there any continuity differences?
carmine sleet
Halo Reach is a different story that happens concurrent to the later parts of Fall of Reach
turbid remnant
Yeah I'd suggest playing the game it is the best no doubt
versed helm
noble 6 is the rookie
change my mind
Rookie is ded...
So like either way
If that were the case he's still dead
lunar condor
In reality he just leveled up to noble 7 smh
versed helm
NoBlE 6 iS cHiEf
languid bough
NoBLe 6 Is MeNDiCaNt BiAs
lament pagoda
Noble six is alive i was the assault rifle
versed helm
6 indeed alive, he hide his identity as the rookie
after hiding in the cave alongside with jorge, 6's body become smaller and smaller due to lack of mother's love affection
thats why he is less taller
lament pagoda
spoiler for The Rookie ||who is dead||
lament pagoda
so you say Noble Six died by a insurecctionist (however you spell it)
lament pagoda
hehe what about Samuel
versed helm
mickey is ded too
and jorge actually is the didact
thats explain why jorge is tall
only reason didact stunned when chief puts a nade in his chest bc its the scar when he sploded in long night of solace
lament pagoda
but didact.... nvm you'll just say "sParTaNs NeVeR dIe" lmao
lament pagoda
yeah Jorge is spartan II lmao
versed helm
remember the scene when the trauma women
jorge good with women bc he have a wife(librarian)
lament pagoda
Bruh moment
versed helm
making more sense
jorge didnt die during explosion in long night of solace
bc he is the didact, and this proven bc didact didnt die from the composer either
and didact is in his cryptum bc when the long nigh......olace explode, his A.I ( Alexa ) teleports him to safety, (like how cortana did to john),
after hours reading google's 2nd page about flying inside fhe cryptum, didact finally gains control of gravity able to levitate things
and after days playing detroit become human, didact able to make coveant became deviant, like how he did after escaping the cryptum
my lore isnt theory
its facts
scarlet linden
😂 😂 😂
wet pollen
Lmao
fair hazel
@lament pagoda please change your name
gaunt oakBOT
fair hazel
Thank you.
pale verge
Can someone explain to me if Reach is like the 2nd Earth after Harvest was glassed?
Or what even is Reach
versed helm
been what?
pale verge
inhabitted
versed helm
idk but reach already inhabitted b4 harvest invaded
pale verge
ah, coolio, thanks
fair hazel
Harvest was colonized in 2468, reach in 2362
versed helm
said so
potent cargo
Can someone explain to me why the forerunners didn't create genetic copies of themselves as such as they did with all other species after the halos were fired? Ik im supposed to know this as the master builder but I am still curious lmao
fair hazel
well you're not the master builder
why would they make copies of themselves?
well im sure they already had databases with their genetic information on them, but like, why?
versed helm
when i played with legos i thought i was the master builder
rancid delta
@fair hazel. A bit like the librarians imprints around the world
fair hazel
the librarian imprints around the world? what do you mean
rancid delta
They could continue to guide humanity in the right path
rancid delta
@fair hazel the librarian is dead, but like she left prerecorded message thingys to guide humanity
rancid delta
How do you think Dr Halsey got the Janus Key
Or how Master Chief became immune to composition? That was all the Librarian
fair hazel
Doctor halsey stepped into the place..
rancid delta
Yeah. But the librarian gave it to her
fair hazel
and the librarian used the Geas in John and 'evolved' him
rancid delta
Yeah But the original librarian is dead
potent cargo
I am meaning as to why the forerunners didn't return they had the possibility to do it, was there a specific reason
rancid delta
And being able to modify geas and give physical objects using an imprint is no easy task
@potent cargo. You are right
versed helm
Having the ability to doesnt instantly mean they believed they should
rancid delta
All forerunners could have done an imprint of themsves and then active the halo, their imprint would be able to guide other races to their technological state.
Or simply: use the Janus Key
potent cargo
But they refused to do that cause they believed they deserved to be gone forever? excluding the ur didact
potent cargo
no they dont lmao all forerunners are dead, the only one left was the didact but as we all saw he was killed in halo 4
rancid delta
I @potent cargo he didn't die
potent cargo
What do u mean?
versed helm
Are the comics canon though?
potent cargo
The comics arent always correct tho some counter the actual story line of the books and games
rancid delta
Even halopedia says 1 sec
After being released from his Cryptum many millennia later, the Ur-Didact resumed his war against humanity. Spartan John-117 and Cortana fought him on his ship, and sent him falling into slipspace, seemingly defeating him. After surviving slipspace, John-117 faced him again, this time with the rest of Blue Team. After a long and perilous battle, the Ur-Didact's biological form was destroyed under the combined power of several Composers. While he is considered "contained" by the Office of Naval Intelligence, his digitized consciousness apparently survives.[1]
fair hazel
all canon...
rancid delta
His physical body is gone
versed helm
It could more be a situation of the perspective of the books could believe he is dead, vs what is factual from our view.
rancid delta
But his mind is apparently contained by ONI
potent cargo
So he is dead tho like physically
fair hazel
No.. it’s not contained by oni
rancid delta
Yes
versed helm
physical for forerunner doesnt mean much
rancid delta
His mind is contained by oni
versed helm
his mind and digital conscious means wayyyy more
fair hazel
Did you even read the comic?
rancid delta
@versed helm yeah, chakas and ancient human became 343 guilty spark
potent cargo
sucks for oni who wants his mind after being abused by the gravemind
fair hazel
It’s unknown exactly how many forerunners remain in modern era
fair hazel
Oni has endurance of will
versed helm
Dozen's of "shield" worlds that could have them hidden away
fair hazel
But not didact
potent cargo
And there is still the possibility that some precursors could return as some did leave the galaxy
rancid delta
@potent cargo yeah
But they still might be mutated
The forerunners captured all precursors and killed/imprisoned all of them
potent cargo
No some escaped
versed helm
There is never a way to kill or capture ALL of them
never in the history of sci has someone actually killed ALL of anything
fair hazel
here's the list of all current known forerunners that i can remember that are active:
versed helm
Always 1 or 2 off world, or hiding, or boning making more
potent cargo
Read the forerunner saga books it states how some precursors left the galaxy
"boning" lmao
fair hazel
Ur-didact [composed], Librarian [inprint], Catalog, unknown forerunner looking for bastion.
rancid delta
Oh ok
fair hazel
Please keep it appropriate..
Who knows what happened to the iso-didact, the other forerunners and their descendants
potent cargo
And don't forget the actual domain
fair hazel
i feel like im missing someone, am i?
rancid delta
@potent cargo taken over by cortana
potent cargo
remember the domain was sentient
rancid delta
The guardian, the Warden Eternal was persuaded by cortana
potent cargo
She accessed it but didn't completely absorb it
But the domain could think it was technically alive
rancid delta
@potent cargo but essentially runs the whole domain now
rancid delta
Maybe majority is taken over
potent cargo
As during silentium it asked to testify for the judicial system of the forerunners
fair hazel
I dont think you can say what the majority of the domain even is
rancid delta
Ok
tiny harness
Unless Abaddon doesn't exist anymore or is under her command its safe to say no.
deft gust
So I just finish the book fall of reach, i take it most of it is cannon but the ending/reach fight/pillar of autumn ain't cannon
fair hazel
It's canon
feral perch
Both are canon. But there are.. problems. Problems 343i have tried to smooth over, in the wake of Bungie’s carelessness
last anchor
They did a pretty solid job with it too really
What they couldnt fix themselves, Halo Canon and others have put together fully workable fan-timelines that are solid for any other important fanwork (IE; fan movies, fiction, etc)
deft gust
How can both be cannon.
Bungies reach had Cortana on reach and leave on the pillar delivered by noble 6.
In fall of reach it had Cortana already on the pillar and the pillar being in space before the covenant invaded
unique rune
The Cortana that B312 delivered to the Autumn was a fragment split off by Dr. Halsey that was later reintegrated into the "main" Cortana.
deft gust
Ok but still in the book the pillar was already in space before the invasion yet in the game the pillar launched at the end of the invasion
feral perch
The POA goes back through the battle to dock on the surface, then leaves again. It’s just not in the book.
last anchor
Remember, the Pillar took a MASSIVE hit over Reach during the fighting.
Yet when they get to 04, her MAC (despite getting slagged in the fight) works well enough for Cortana to knock out several Covenant ships.
So at some point they must have hit a facility with full refit/repair capabilities.
Such as Reach's shipbreaking yards...
deft gust
Really?
I find it difficult from the books perspective of where and when the POA could have or would have gone back to reach
last anchor
Theres sections where we focus on what chief is doing rather than the Autumn.
More than likely, thats where she landed
deft gust
Ok
feral perch
That’s the unfortunate nature of Bungie’s stance that game canon > everything else. Fortunately, 343i has reversed course on this, and everything is on an equal footing canonically speaking.
last anchor
And thank god for that because all the good stuff happened in Nylunds books.
Looking at you Ghosts of Onyx.
Which amuses me since Bungie ripped the S-IIIs free from that FOR Reach
feral perch
Yeah. And they got Nylund to write Halsey’s journal. Talk about insult to injury.
deft gust
So what books are cannon or not?
List the shortest one
unique rune
All of the books are canon.
feral perch
^^^^^
tiny harness
The closest you get to non canon in Halo is Halo Legends artistic depictions like a blond young Halsey or 1337.
deft gust
@tiny harness yh that was weird
versed helm
when you realize cortana and chief were only together for a month and 343 makes an entire game about their relationship acting like they were together for years and follows that plot strand into 5 completely focusing the entire series on cortana and makes up a retcon to bring back covenant
the more books I read, the more nothing makes sense
Metal Gear Solid had this issue too. It was supposed to end at 2, 3 was made as a prequel to avoid conflicts, but at 4 and after you can see it's near fan fiction retcon.
Halo 4/5 feel the same as mgs4 in that regard
This isn't to say 343 did a bad job considering the situation, but it definitely feels akin to metal gear solid where it's sort of a zombie IP not allowed to just end.
fair hazel
The time Cortana and John spent together was still some very involved time that did change John as a person.
And a retcon wasnt made up to bring 'back covenant'
terse lava
Do you think there was any way for forerunners and ancient humans to have ended their war better? A way for both civilizations to survive?
versed helm
My point is that the more you talk about forerunners and reveal them the less interesting halo 1-3 become
the forerunners don't feel added to actually enrich the series but rather to replace the flood as antagonists
terse lava
Hm, perhaps a different version then. Due to political nonsense, the builders get demoted and the lifeworkets up the ladder
versed helm
and the covenant remnants feel like an excuse to get covenant back into gameplay
terse lava
Forerunners had to be revealed one day
versed helm
No
Look at Alien and Aliens
you can make self contained narratives that function very well with mystery
The reason forerunners had to be revealed was because Halo outlasted it's original intentions
and Microsoft will not let this series diee
Same thing happened to Silent Hill, MGS, etc
fair hazel
Halo 1-3 become more interesting now that we know more about the forerunners
because we see the history, we see the echoes of actions and decisions
especially guilty spark
It's probably a bit naive to think everyone will be all friendly and everyone will have peace
Halo has sooooo many more stories to tell
versed helm
idk it all feels like fan fiction man
fair hazel
mystery for the sake of mystery is shallow
fair hazel
Halo 5's story had narrative problems , but its problems dont have to do with forerunners or something
and if anything is because the story didnt go where people thought it was going to
versed helm
I think that was what the majority of people expected after 4 actually
that or a civil war in UNSC
fair hazel
i will say that there wre hints of something similar being possible though
several halo stories right before halo 5 release date did talk extensively about AI
and things that could happen/rampancy etc
terse lava
Yet 343 kept saying cortana dies, then shes suddenly back
fair hazel
not quite the same cortana
unique rune
Even if it's not really Cortana as we knew her, the decision to bring her back in any form kinda feels like it just takes away from Halo 4's ending.
terse lava
It could have been done better
terse lava
Average I would think of a woman in her 20s
half apex
well from what i saw in the final scene of chief x cortana in halo 4 and halo 5, cortana only seemed only a head smaller than chief, who is a pretty big man.
terse lava
She's also made of hard light
terse lava
?
nocturne elk
The front is the warhead, the rear is the propellant. Problem is, I can't tell where one part ends, and the other begins
Let me see if i can get a shot of one in flight...
terse lava
shrug
rotund plume
i think i know what your asking
so the warhead is loaded into middle
When you see your spartin reloads it they load put in a container with the warhead in it into the middle of the launcher before fireing.
So what do you guys think of halo's upcoming game, Halo Infinite?
nocturne elk
So the front container breaks off, and you're left with this?
Oh right, it's the disposable barrel. Weird...
rotund plume
yeah
So what do you think is going to happen in halo's upcoming game, Halo Infinite?
terse lava
No clue yet, not enough details
rotund plume
i've heard a lot of theories but none of them really fit
versed helm
rotund plume
lmao
versed helm
rotund plume
lmao that's hilarious
stoic hamlet
The steam player list of MCC would say other wise
versed helm
Speculation for infinite. New enemy comes, we get more lore on the pelican pilot, it has side missions because its going to be competing against Destiny 2, and theres going to be beamish complaining about us leaving such a mess in the battlefield
radiant sphinx
I don't think it will be styled like Destiny 2
And I hope not
Destiny 2 is gorgeous, but my god it's repetitive
versed helm
It is, but I'm hoping bungie being free from Activision can fix that repetition
Also we wont be fighting the created or the covenant but the banished
radiant sphinx
if we return to the Ark in some fashion, I could see that happening
versed helm
Since Jul and his covenant are done with. Theres no logical way to defeat Cortana and her created in the lore. Unless you can pull a guardian into a slipspace bubble and drop an engineer into its head to shut it down
And there's a lot of guardians and no way would it work more than once with Cortana controling them
fair hazel
i dont see how it's 'competing against destiny 2'
stoic hamlet
There are probably plenty of games it’ll be competing against, but hardly Destiny
versed helm
Look, as a guy that loves playing destiny 2, it has to be something with a similar formula to make me interested in more than just a play through
Plus we know it's going to have a live service model since they are testing one with mcc
We also had a taste with halo 5 and its updates
feral perch
we don’t know that, however likely it might be
versed helm
Well yeah, but halo has had a bad drop off of player population after a launch. They would like to keep the population going for years to come. The only way is a live service game with a destiny model/ borderlands 3 model just to keep a healthy pop over the life of the game
They also mentioned moving into live service just a few weeks ago
feral perch
There will be no randomization or loot boxes, I think.
unique rune
Anything that's been publicly announced for Infinite should be pinned in #483759756566069258>
Otherwise we don't know any more than you do.
potent cargo
Alrighty
versed helm
Back to the lore, biggest plot holes in reach:
Where was the reach fleet at. The unsc Trafalgar and such should have been at reach before the covenant showed up
potent cargo
Im sure once they realized one of the biggest covenant fleets assembled was at reach the unsc would call off the fleet and declare reach a lost cause and defend other assets nearby
In one on one fight the unsc fleet that was going for reach would've been obliterated
gilded mason
No.
potent cargo
@gilded mason love ur profile pic btw
gilded mason
Thank ya.
unique rune
People cling onto things they get attached to.
Given that B312 is supposed to be a player self-insert... well, some people have a bit of trouble letting go...
gilded mason
He had a pizza party thrown in his honor.
potent cargo
Thanks for making me spit my drink laughing
unique rune
I don’t think we ever actually got any info on him.
Not even a name.
potent cargo
I would be terrified of an elite who killed even one spartan
gilded mason
And IIs
potent cargo
Was he a spartan ll or lll?
gilded mason
II
potent cargo
no wonder he cares for halsey so much
feral perch
Ostral that’s a fantastic profile pic
gilded mason
thank
novel lagoon
Halsey was annoyed by the armor change since it was her armor and she probably thought Jorge had kinda ruined it.
versed helm
d
gilded mason
Basically mother-henning.
fair hazel
reach's invasion seems to have been kept hush
jorge seemed ot have more than just 'customized' the armour
stoic hamlet
the argument of customized armour annoying Her seems odd when we have like dozens of variants made concurrently right at the beginning. Like, what did you expect lady? Lol
If you had just kept it simple like the books you wouldn’t need to get mad. 😛
gilded mason
Lore marches on, eh?
fair hazel
way more
keen smelt
So, revisiting stuff that I've had questions on ever since reach first came out....why in the world did Jorge disengage the m spec re entry pack?
A) the dude did a literal spacewalk to help mount the slipspace engine
B)is in a unshielded pelican as delivery system
C)about to blow up a covenant super carrier with a sabotaged slipspace drive and will presumably be headed back down to reach on the ships
So what about that was a good idea? Did the dude just already know one of them might not make it back and took steps to ensure it was him?
rigid thistle
Im more curious as to why he picked up noble 6
jovial temple
How did the arbiter survive the spore infection in the air? Especially on high charity lol
Plot armor?
tough magnet
and the shipmaster
fleet wraith
Well...ill just default and second minge. The flood knows not to mess with the half jaw
jovial temple
I guess the gravemind had plans for him later but, when he was on his way to kill the hieratic, the flood there should’ve been in a feral state
But the shipmaster survived also later on so hmm
Plot armor
neat cypress
anybody know what ships paratrooper Spartans jump from? Reach had those Para armor pieces which state that they’re meant for use in a jump, but we never really find out what they’re hurling themselves out of
clever fable
I'd imagine it would change depending on the height of entry, yeah? Not everything operates at every altitude.
jovial temple
Presumably a frigate
But no idea
Frigates are known to get pretty close to the ground and also battle in space so that’s my best bet
clever fable
I think that would be used in some cases, but probably not exclusively. If I wanted someone focused on a ship in the air or in orbit then yeah, but if I didn't want them to know at all, I'd opt for something smaller.
jovial temple
Do they ever drop out of pelicans? I was wondering that tbh
clever fable
Well there was that one time in The Fall of Reach, but uhh.... that went a bit sideways.
sleek star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HadeUm_d5Y&feature=em-uploademail Noble 6's Final Sacrifice (HALO REACH PC!) - Why the fall of the 'Lone Wolf' was so impactful
fathom elbow
is there any lore explanation behind active camo spamming the minimap motion sensor
lunar condor
Theres no real lore on how exactly it tracks motion, i assume its through either a form of radar or by absorbing certain kinds of electromagnetic radiation. If its the former i have no clue why active camo would break it. If it works by absorbing or just detecting passing electromagnetic radiation then going camo would break it because to become invisible you kinda have to redirect or deflect incoming electromagnetic radiation (light) which could cause it to malfunction.
Tho thats all just speculation, all ive ever heard about the motion sensor is that it uses a quantum mirror
fathom elbow
you gave me an idea, it probably spams the motion sensor of the opponent to the advantage of the active camo user, now you dont know where the invisible enemy is coming from
lunar condor
Or that yeah
sacred dew
Is the wasp a successor to the hornet?
tepid lynx
@fathom elbow That or It's just there to balance gameplay.
carmine sleet
@sacred dew It's to compliment the Hornet in combat, not replace
sacred dew
Ohh
patent vector
2552 was a big year seeing as the Halo trilogy, reach, and odst happened in the same year.
dull bay
What no... UNSC started around the year after WW3, which was around 2100 @patent vector
When marines took Mars from the innies
Then after they took it they made Mars an ODST HQ which was also around 2100
stoic hamlet
It wasn’t WW3 technically
And it was in the 2150’s, the final battle ended in 2160.
Also for jumps they’d deploy from Pelicans.
A frigate is an absurdly large target
novel lagoon
Kinda
novel lagoon
Wasp are lite and Maneuverable while hornets have heavier armor and are less maneuverable
versed helm
So wasps arent proper support, are they? They're basic run'n'gun planes
stoic hamlet
Yeah
polar elm
What's the difference between a Luminary and a Monitor?
I take it that Luminaries are reverse engineered from Monitors and are used to detect Forerunner artifacts?
warm ridge
@jovial temple The atmosphere in H2 for when the Arbiter was on his way to kill the Heretic wasn't converted yet. The Flood were also in a feral state.
Same thing with Half Jaw when he fought his way out of a Flood infested ship, the ships atmosphere wasn't converted.
The only point I could see you being right about is how the Arbiter wasn't infected when he met the Gravemind face to face.
green dome
What happened to the Flood after Halo 3? Seems like it was a major plot point that was dropped after that game.
carmine sleet
The Flood were defeated in Halo 3 and outside of a minor outbreak on The Ark in 2559, they've been left in the containment facilities the Forerunners built
novel lagoon
Yea all of the main flood infestation were called to high charity by the grave mind so all of the flood got stuck on the ark when it landed there.
potent cargo
The flood was very aggressive to the forerunners and ancient humans due to their tactics and sheer numbers compared to the modern era where the flood is actually quite weaker
Imagine a gigantic fleet of flood ships and carriers heading towards a last stand
that's how the forerunners were almost annihilated while defending the greater ark and later the lesser ark
well almost till the halos fired then poof!
tired river
^^^ war crime boi described it perfectly
Anyone know where that old article written before halo 3 came out is? The one where McLees interviewed marines of 1st battalion, 7th marine regiment on covenant weapons?
tawdry galleon
I'm not sure if I'm alone in this, but whenever I read a Halo book, I try to envision a specific character with a certain actor / voice actor's voice. I just think it's fun 😄 For example, I don't know why but whenever I read quotes from Colonel Ackerson, for some reason I imagine him as Bill Paxton. 😄
RIP
fair hazel
Wasps are close assault support. They have the advantage of energy shields and being able to be packed easily. Cheap, pack able
The flood didn’t reach the lesser ark initially
Also there should be flood outside the galaxy too
Also marines didn’t take mars from innies. Koslovichs and friedens are a different movement
last anchor
The Innies came later.
fair hazel
They came from “empty” ships
tired river
The precursors ground themselves into a powder
The humans then fed that powder to dog things known as the Pheru
Turns out the powder was expired and the Pheru started doing zombie like things such as eating each other
Humans that ate the Pheru got the illness, bada Bing bada boom, the flood shows up
potent cargo
Initially yes but they were approaching it and offensive bias and whatever was left of the forerunners was defending the lesser till the iso-didact activated halo
Basically what the marine said however, it was slow and feral when it started and then evolved into a more intelligent parasite capable of a hivemind network
And apparently too strong for our will and sheer knowledge that even we were defeated
terse lava
I wonder if the forerunners ever cleaned up the vessels from that battle. They apparently did around earth
jovial temple
@warm ridge okay, I can see your point there but, what about when the arbiter was on high charity in halo 3?
He should’ve been infected almost immediately
rancid delta
Idk?
Like maybe he has expert flood training
The flood spores should've gotten to him
jovial temple
Yup
rancid delta
But. Flood spores infect slowly
And perhaps the Arbiter just got in High Charity
They planned to have like a boss battle in H3 where the player would have to fight agains flood-infected arbiters
That would've been awesome
jovial temple
The spores are by the millions
And yes I agree about the halo 3 boss battle, that would be awesome
terse lava
@versed helmunknown
remote falcon
Whatever happened to col holland
warm ridge
@versed helm At the moment it is currently unknown how many of these Precursors in there organic bodies grinded themselves into this powder state. (other Precursors did what the Primordial did and who knows what other methods Precursors used). They probably knew how long it would've probably taken before this powder substance "expired", and then after that it'd contaminate whatever organic flesh had ingested it.
Of course the Ancient Humans had no idea it was this powder substance that started the Flood, the only thing they knew was the Pheru began eating each other, doing all sorts of weird biological crap until eventually it became the Flood.
Remember, the Precursors themselves are at a level of existence beyond our comprehension practically, they exist in a entire different dimension and simply "control" the organic bodies from there. In a practical sentence, they're what we'd call actual gods, capable of existing in our own dimension whenever they want without actually being killed at all.
tired river
They’ve got admin
sacred dew
They do they just have to have a keymind first
keen canopy
The Gravemind used precursor neural physics in Halo 3
To jump High Charity straight from Mars to the Lesser Ark
jovial temple
There’s actually a part in the halo 2 mission, when arbiter is on his way to kill the hieratic, where it’s so foggy and dusty from all the spores and every time you kill an infection form the spores pop out so I don’t know if I can believe that @warm ridge
keen canopy
The way energy Shields work in Halo mean that they almost certainly don't allow flood spores to pass through.
They're always active, so much that Mjolnir has functionality to lower or increase the shield thickness on the suit's hands and feet to control grip and traction.
It's not like Mass Effect for example, where Kinetic barriers only stop fast-moving projectiles
jovial temple
But my argument there is; if shields can keep the flood at bay then wouldn’t the forerunners have figured this out?
keen canopy
The Forerunners faced entire Fleets of Flood
jovial temple
Hmm that is true
keen canopy
And they did wear Combat Skins
fair hazel
we dont know exactly thge specifics of energy shield workins so we cant say that @keen canopy , about 'the way energy shields work'
keen canopy
Ye that's why I said almost certain
jovial temple
the onyx sentinel shields only stops fast moving objects like projectiles
keen canopy
Because energy shields prevent a Spartan's feet from making contact with the ground, or their hand with their weapon, IMO it's reasonable to assume they prevent a flood spore from passing through.
Personal energy shielding vs a construct platform @jovial temple
@versed helm Keyminds and Graveminds can make use of Precursor Neural Physics.
gilded mason
Like fingers and thumbs.
As in, all Graveminds have the Keymind qualifier, but not all Keyminds have the Gravemind qualifier.
So what you said
They're too shy until they reach Gravemind.
sacred dew
Didn't the combat form for the Lord of admirals speak to the librarian ?
terse lava
That was the gravemind talking through
Btw, was it ever said why Rho was looking for the forerunner captual?
gilded mason
He thought it'd be a neat instagram spot
sacred dew
It's the forerunner capital why not?!!
Wait the flood also spoke in the short story infinite succor
terse lava
@sacred dewyes, the protovgeavemind there was able to talk thanks mainly to the san shyuum recently consumed. Even then however it was...rough
sacred dew
Hmm yep ur right
velvet shale
Why does Sam always die
Like if your name is Sam and you're a Halo character you're screwed
terse lava
You have other examples of a "sam" dying?
fair hazel
Pillar of autumn sam?
versed helm
pretty sure that's the only sam
terse lava
@fair hazeltouche, forgot about him
fair hazel
I do find it funny that the page links to surface to air missiles too
stoic hamlet
Sam Saaammmee the Sangheili
jovial temple
The master chief probably killed a sangheili named Sammime, a grunt named samsam, and a brute named samuras
terse lava
On names, anyone ever confirm the name of the sangheili commander from reach invasion? Always figured it was the field marshal in campaign
potent cargo
Does anyone know what happened to Jun from noble team?
gilded mason
He's a recruiter/trainer for SIVs
potent cargo
Ahh so noble didn't die completely
jovial temple
Jun is the only one
potent cargo
And @terse lava Wasn't the commander of the fleet at reach Vadamee?
remote spruce
uh i forget the name of the guy but he died when the slipspace engine went RIP
terse lava
@potent cargorho? Doubt he would give ground orders
gilded mason
There was Rho for Long Night of Solace, Thel didn't arrive till much later
terse lava
No one mentioned thel
gilded mason
uh i forget the name of the guy but he died when the slipspace engine went RIP
Allegedly died
terse lava
Oh whoops, thanks.lag
potent cargo
MIA
jovial temple
Thel vadamee
gilded mason
Jorge's Waypoint page explicitly says he died and gives a death date, while Rho's says it's only assumed he dies and gives no death date. So...that's something. 😋
potent cargo
You know Ive always wondered how the ancient flood took control of precursor weapons, isn't the floods intelligence based solely on the intelligence and knowledge they learn from other species? And no other species knew how to control the precursor artifacts
unique rune
neural physics
solemn void
Oh man. What happened to the Rookie?
gilded mason
he dede
potent cargo
He died in the book new blood
unique rune
point blank bullet in the head from an Innie
novel lagoon
Yea he dead
solemn void
Now that's just sad
solemn void
How did the rest of the squad react?
novel lagoon
Sad
gilded mason
"Oof."
potent cargo
Very agitated
solemn void
Did Buck reassume command of the group? I know he became a S-IV
unique rune
Dutch retired
Buck, Romeo, and Micky went Spartan-IV
potent cargo
Basically^
unique rune
and then Bad Blood brings the whole gang back together again
or so I hear
gilded mason
Yep.
potent cargo
Yea but spoiler alert*
gilded mason
Plus Dutch's wife, Gretchen
potent cargo
Mickey betrays them for the innies
gilded mason
He felt the UNSC was not exactly the best organization.
unique rune
He became disillusioned with the UNSC after the Rookie’s death.
potent cargo
Yeah he gets persuaded by the innies and turns during an op and captures buck and romeo
unique rune
Another Spartan-IV recruit was secretly an Insurrectionist infiltrator and convinced Mickey to switch
gilded mason
Good job, Musa and Jun.
potent cargo
Actually he was persuaded at the funeral of the spartan who died during training
unique rune
Pretty sure Mickey’s parents were also Insurrectionists, so it’s not exactly unprecedented, I’d say
gilded mason
He joins back up with Buck in Bad Blood
potent cargo
Has to*
unique rune
Need to get caught up on novels and stuff.
Maybe over winter break if my finals don’t kill me...
potent cargo
you should read new blood it's a great book
solemn void
I wonder if I can find the book in my country
potent cargo
I get them for free "Definitely legal"
solemn void
So if they're all Spartan-IV's, do they still retain ODST armor like Buck did?
potent cargo
No they all get mjolner armor
unique rune
They all upgraded to Helljumper-class, IIRC.
So yeah, like what Buck did.
solemn void
With ODST pieces?
gilded mason
He means ODST styled Spartan armor.
potent cargo
So ig no one knows about the precursor question
unique rune
neural physics
solemn void
Always liked the ODST armor. Loved that we could use components of it in Reach
potent cargo
No i know how but where did they obtain the knowledge to control it
gilded mason
And the Primordial was a Precursor. Maybe he knew a few tricks.
keen canopy
To control what sorry @potent cargo ?
solemn void
Oh, what happened to Veronica Dare?
gilded mason
@solemn void
Married Buck
potent cargo
Still oni and goes on ops
and ill copy it
You know Ive always wondered how the ancient flood took control of precursor weapons, isn't the floods intelligence based solely on the intelligence and knowledge they learn from other species? And no other species knew how to control the precursor artifacts
that @keen canopy
solemn void
Wow, got married!
keen canopy
The fact that the Flood were the Precursors might have something to do with it man
gilded mason
Too bad I couldn't kill them all
Precursors, or Flood?
potent cargo
Quietly sneaks away*
gilded mason
Since for the former, they were "killed" long before Faber was born.
jovial temple
Wish we knew more about them but then again, I also like how mysterious they are in the lore
potent cargo
I wished for that also with the forerunners but halo 5 kinda pushed it
terse lava
@potent cargothe flood were capable of that due to amassing such intelligence from victims, combined with retaining some precursor knowledge
potent cargo
Ahh thank you o wise Ado 'Ulamee
potent cargo
?
terse lava
The core in Halo reach invasion multiplayer, if the covenant get it, the commander comments that they shall now learn the location of earth. Could this be how truth found the planet?
343 does try to make mm canon
gilded mason
I think it was involving ilovebees
potent cargo
I honestly have no clue lmao
terse lava
Yea old lore that's true but didnt that ilivebee become non canon
gilded mason
I dunno.
keen canopy
We already know how Earth was discovered.
terse lava
Would grimm know?
keen canopy
Both Regret and Truth discovered it independently
keen canopy
True
cedar ore
Is there any naming conventions for ships in the halo universe?
UNSC ships especially seem pretty random with the names
terse lava
Covenant ones are religious on nature
cedar ore
@terse lava how about UNSC?
gilded mason
Seems to be pretty varied. You've got things like "Pillar of Autumn" or "In Amber Clad", but you also have "Two for Flinching" and "Say My Name", and one word names like "Infinity" or Everest".
stoic hamlet
Bum Rush
eternal shadow
They should name one the dumpy
cedar ore
UNSC ship names basically racehorses
mint wharf
wlep just finished reach and wanted to ask in jun is alive?
mint wharf
at least someones not dead
stoic hamlet
Plenty of Spartans aren’t dead.
Arguably there were more Spartans alive during TFoR than any other moment in the timeline so far.
I think the count is like, 350 something III’s right before the actual fall, then obviously the 30 or so II’s.
And even after the fall the number is still at 338 III’s and 19 II’s.
Post war though we’re at 331 III’s and 15 II’s.
stoic hamlet
They’re more Glaives than spears....
gilded mason
Though they can probably still do good damage if they're like energy swords
Let's not speak of that cutscene
stoic hamlet
Well, Douglas managed to cut the shaft of one with the blade of another and the metal glowed, so they’re probably energy of some kind.
The red team fight you were referring to
HW1
gilded mason
Let's not speak of that cutscene
😋
gilded mason
It varies.
stoic hamlet
The movements were slowed down so we could see but imagine Red Team moving like blurs and the Elites moving normally. That’s how it’d actually look
Reaction time
In combat, a Spartan’s world basically goes into slow motion
gilded mason
'Cause I thought it was silly.
stoic hamlet
In The Fall of Reach, John drops a pin from a weight machine and because of his change in perceived time, he manages to figure out that the ship has gravity, figure out the gravitation pull and calculate how long it should take the pin to hit the floor.
Then it does.
The pin was moving normally
terse lava
@gilded mason @versed helm on the topic of spears, they do the capability to hold plasma, as show. In Cole protocol
stoic hamlet
But to him, it was slowed down
gilded mason
How often does that reaction time stuff come up outside Nylund's books?
Because at that point, it feels like nothing would be able to hit a Spartan, then.
stoic hamlet
Denning has it occur a few times