but whatever
#lore-and-universe
viscid fern
keen canopy
The Ark can literally build a new Halo from scratch
fleet wraith
you completely flip flopped your view point
viscid fern
how?
keen canopy
And you're worried about powering gravity generators
viscid fern
well the ark makes halo rings from planets and stuff
fleet wraith
also looters it kills the universe in its big boom so if it killed us we wouldnt be here
viscid fern
i think
versed helm
Oh I just actually read it
viscid fern
?
versed helm
It's energy that comes from using the creation of one
So the universe gets prevented
fleet wraith
based off how its set in the book its impossible to kill one thats already advanced enough to already be harnessing it
yeah
versed helm
Man quantum concepts really mess with my head
fleet wraith
lmao
fleet wraith
that explains this
fleet wraith
"so pretty much everything has gravity"
versed helm
I just wanna talk about shooty shooty bang bangs and space marines
This is too big brain
viscid fern
lmao
keen canopy
chill guys
keen canopy
We are all a source of comedy on this blessed day
viscid fern
fact
keen canopy
For the Sacred PC Port has been found
polar elm
Speak for yourself
versed helm
🍕
viscid fern
time
versed helm
Hey, what's everyone's favourite firearm from the Haloverse
viscid fern
hmmmm
fleet wraith
spnkr
viscid fern
binary rifle
polar elm
Energy sword for me
viscid fern
100% binary rifle
versed helm
I feel it's a slightly less ridiculous concept than many people give it credit for
viscid fern
obv
fleet wraith
im not a fan of weapons that your could very easily slice your arms off with ab
youre a brave man
polar elm
I know I know.
versed helm
Like what you have with the SPNKr is basically two LAW tubes strapped together
polar elm
It's more fanboying than true appreciation.
versed helm
However those LAW tubes speak to some sophisticated electronics
So you keep the electronics but dispose of the LAW tubes
fleet wraith
looters i would absolutely love a double barrel rotary recoilless rifle that has no backblast irl
versed helm
And it's huge but when you break it down it'd be managable
fleet wraith
our carl gustavs are way too loud
viscid fern
can we all talk about incineration cannons for a sec
versed helm
You could just hang the fire control module off your webbing or something, and then the guy carrying the tubes would have like a specialized satchel
EZ
fleet wraith
laws are too underpowered to be useful against modern soft kill armor systems
looters we use a double tubed case to carry carl gustav rounds in the field
viscid fern
everyone say their least favorite gun in halo
polar elm
Wait, we talking in-game or lore-wise?
viscid fern
mine is needle rifle
polar elm
It seems the latter. Just to clarify.
fleet wraith
oh youre talking what cows said
keen canopy
@versed helm My favorite is the Asymmetric Recoilless Carbine for sure
fleet wraith
plasma pistol unless im noob comboing
viscid fern
well i use plasma pistol for vehicles
fleet wraith
shoutout to the people that know what the noob combo even is
polar elm
I'll definitely read through firearms then. Seems to be a lot I'm missing out on.
viscid fern
lol
fleet wraith
yeah ab carl gustav is a recoilless rifle just like the spnkr
but obviously its a single shot type thing
versed helm
@keen canopy That's a good choice, it's super cool. What's your interpretation though - is it a true railgun or a weird coilgun?
The jury's still out
fleet wraith
what i was saying is we use a special case to carry two carl gustav rounds at a time and that itd be really convenient to carry spnkr rounds
versed helm
Like it looks like a railgun but if it was a railgun it'd need some other tech to mitigate the recoil
viscid fern
ok we can all agree that halo five is the worst halo game in terms of story right?
polar elm
Not that again
fleet wraith
jesus
keen canopy
I am very ill-equipped for this conversation, I just remember you complaining about the name one time 😅
versed helm
It's just a bit of a meme
But it looks super cool
And either way the effect is the same
keen canopy
I'm personally not a fan of handheld railguns in Halo
versed helm
Bulky weapon, little recoil, electromagnetically accelerated projectile that explodes post-penetration
keen canopy
I do like that they're very precise
lunar condor
Railguns always look cool but their effects are not as spectacular unless its a real big one
viscid fern
yeah
keen canopy
However I liked it when Railguns were the UNSC's big guns
polar elm
What does the MAC classify as?
viscid fern
ye
polar elm
Okay
lunar condor
MAC is a coilgun i think? They talk about magnetic coils for it
In halo first strike i think
keen canopy
MAC = BIG ROCK GO FAST HIT HARD
versed helm
It's been confirmed in dozens of sources.
polar elm
In TFoR as well
versed helm
Warfleet is the major one.
viscid fern
magnetic acceleration cannon is what it stands for right?
polar elm
I remember that they used to heat up the salvo as well
versed helm
But it's the same thing
viscid fern
ye
lunar condor
As much as i like energy weapons the mac is like my favourite halo weapon
polar elm
It was something something tungsten carbide
versed helm
MACs can use all kinds of kill packages
But most of them are just big, dense, ferrous slugs
viscid fern
ye
lunar condor
I wonder if they can use macs for asteroid bombardement
fleet wraith
like to destroy asteroids?
viscid fern
like slugs on some insane steroids
polar elm
I guess with AIs handling targeting, it would be theoretically possible.
fleet wraith
if you mean destroy asteroids thatd be extremely ineffective
viscid fern
ye
lunar condor
Nah like if they had a big enough ship to fit a 3km asteroid lets say
versed helm
AH
viscid fern
unless they have a bunch of small macs
polar elm
Oh
viscid fern
like rly small
versed helm
I mean that asteroid would be bigger than most UNSC ships
In fact all of them
Save the Infinity and the Punic-class
polar elm
I don't think the principle of magnetic acceleration wouldn't be applicable to them either
viscid fern
well i gtg now
fleet wraith
you mean like to hide in an asteroid??
viscid fern
cya in a while maybe
versed helm
Hypothetically you could, with some maths, use a MAC slug to nudge an asteroid onto a collision course with a target.
Like with an underpowered glancing hit, maybe?
fleet wraith
im confused whats being asked
polar elm
We'll need that big brain for later
fleet wraith
lmao
lunar condor
Tho in a way they could just make a big enough mac projectile and that should do the job just as well
polar elm
I think increasing the mass would have an inverse effect on the slug speed. I guess they've tweaked mass requirements to the optimal ratio.
versed helm
MACs tend to have a bore of a couple meters
polar elm
I'm no weapons guru so please correct me if applicable
versed helm
The heavier the projectile the more energy you need to accelerate it
lunar condor
But well they already made novas so if they wanna break planets they can already do that
So no need for asteroids
polar elm
Wouldn't be a problem since they have fusion generators groundside to take care of that
fleet wraith
the mac follows the same principle of normal firearms
it uses kinetic energy to do damage
polar elm
Pinnacle of human weaponry if you ask me
versed helm
Just replace deflagration with electromagnetic repulsion
fleet wraith
the a slug thats 10 grams going 1000mpg is doing way more than a 1 slug going same speed
im assuming for the sake of efficiency they kept making the projectile smaller until the slug wasnt able to reach the max potential speed before leaving the magnetic coils
if that makes sense
polar elm
Would it be possible for Covenant to shoot plasma towards a MAC slug to make it melt before it impacts?
versed helm
There are benefits to balancing mass with velocity though
fleet wraith
not necessarily mass but the size of the point of impact
versed helm
You can accelerate a needle to ridiculous velocities but it'll only punch a small hole
versed helm
Oh yeah, and I should say @polar elm that that would be hypothetically possible
Some kind of laser weapon might be even better at that
fleet wraith
^^
versed helm
But it'd obviously work best if it's fired at longer range
polar elm
I've only come across two instances of that ultra OP laser weapon. One on reach and another somewhere I can't recall.
lunar condor
I wonder why they didnt do that since they got very precise laser weapons i guess because they dont use AIs for aiming
polar elm
But aren't those even smaller in terms of "projectile area"
fleet wraith
im sure the covies can detect when the mac is firing up so they could preemptively fire a few plasma shots in the trajectory of the rounds
versed helm
Generally speaking the Covenant eschew point defence for energy shielding.
It's just the way they use the power they have, I suppose.
fleet wraith
ive actually talked about this before to my buddies
polar elm
Well we do know that their weapons targeting systems are pretty crude a-la First Strike
fleet wraith
the reason they wouldnt be able to is because the guns cant turn fast enough to intercept the bolt
the only way that theyd be able to is fire preemptive shots in the the estimated trajectory of the bolt
and like pheonix said
even though sanghelli are smart
polar elm
That'd be ridiculously difficult.
fleet wraith
theyre probably not smart enough to calculate that and react to it
polar elm
Shooting a bullet to stop another bullet before it's reached you
lunar condor
You mean like some spartans did in ghosts of onyx 😂
fleet wraith
yeah easier than plasma that they can literally guide while its flying but still extremely difficult
fleet wraith
gotta remember phoenix they have onboard computers that interface with their brain and they work in tandem to calculate that kind of stuff
lunar condor
The part where blue team was heading to onyx
fleet wraith
theyre literally not human in terms of knowledge
lunar condor
In the stolen brute/covie ship
polar elm
Oh
fleet wraith
their brain feeds the computer what they need to know and the computer tells their brain or shows it on the hud
lunar condor
It was just a weird thing for the author to build in there could have just made the shields last longer
fleet wraith
literally mega cheats
lunar condor
Felt out of place for me while i was reading
fleet wraith
nylund was out there building the minutia of a universe
polar elm
I still prefer Nylund so far
fleet wraith
im in the very small camp of liking the kilo five trilogy lol
lunar condor
I prefer spartans more super soldiery than what they are portrayed in newer books for sure
Oh hey me too 😂
fleet wraith
go ahead and assume everything i say as wrong and against humanity lol
versed helm
Denning is doing a fantastic job of taking up Nylund's mantle
As well as knowing all the right fan service bits to hit
polar elm
Haven't reached K5 so will let ya know!
fleet wraith
lol phoenix after the kilo five trilogy really highlighted how bad halsey was i was telling all my non halo super fans "halsey bad. spartan 2s child soldier. halsey bad"
l
- should be a meme lol
lunar condor
Halsey imo was faulty like any human yeah, she did the wrong things for the right reasons
versed helm
WHY DOES THAT GET DELETED
lunar condor
Censorship bots op
gilded mason
And she was wracked with guilt for her actions
polar elm
I love how Nylund handled both ground conflicts and space battles. Each felt suitably epic in its own right.
Who seems to be the most well-loved author around here?
lunar condor
Hmm i liked all of them for the most part so no idea
gilded mason
Who seems to be the most well-loved author around here?
Well, I like Staten, Shirley, and Denning.
fleet wraith
Nylund, Denning, Forbeck
if they include the 3s in it im a fan lol
im a sucker
thats how they get me
keen canopy
Nylund, Denning, and whoever wrote Bad and New Blood
fleet wraith
FORBECK
keen canopy
And Staten obviously
fleet wraith
2eezy were literally the same people
dont think i didnt notice we both said cup earlier
lol
versed helm
Staten's god to me.
It goes Staten and Denning.
I respect the work Nylund did in effectively helping to found the universe as we know it.
But I don't recommend his stuff too much because it can be kinda confusing.
And First Strike is really a book I have problems with
The Impossible Life and Possible Death of Preston J Cole from Evolutions is amazing tho
Still holds up
fleet wraith
other than contact harvest what did staten write?
fleet wraith
im not seeing anything in my kindle collection lol
he wrote the games ;-;
i never look through the credits
big l
polar elm
Care to elaborate on First Strike?
I might have missed some of the issues
The time travel thing was a little iffy for me but it felt fine otherwise
versed helm
It's got a few elements which perturb me. The first and foremost being Johnson's flood immunity.
The second is, yeah, the time travel stuff. Not very fond of that.
polar elm
Oh yeah. That seems to be a point of contention in the community from what I've heard.
versed helm
And third is some of the insinuations it drops about Covenant ships. I'm not terribly fond of the notion of Cortana increasing their efficiency just by rummaging around.
fleet wraith
i got the whole timeline messed up in my head is first strike when blue time got stuck in the shield world?
along with gamma and tom and lucy
versed helm
If Covenant weaponry is limited, it should be a matter of hardware. Not expertise.
fleet wraith
or was that battle of onyx
fleet wraith
no im talking which book
polar elm
GoO
fleet wraith
ah okay
gilded mason
Yeah, that thing with Cortana and the Covenant really rubbed me the wrong way.
polar elm
Interesting
fleet wraith
again cant remember because i binged most of the books this year
polar elm
I read it as not knowing to use the weapon to its full ability, given how they are imitative instead of creative
fleet wraith
was sad vaz didnt rough halsey up a bit lol
versed helm
Well I mean
All the roughing up was done by Lucy
Halsey must have a boxer's jaw
Because she got smashed by an SIII
And not in the good way
fleet wraith
lucy i believe
versed helm
Olivia's a Gamma
fleet wraith
yeah
polar elm
It kinda went all out and said that humanity's grasp of Maxwell equations was better than the Covenant's.
gilded mason
And only suffered a nosebleed. ...She’s actually a Precursor, I bet.
fleet wraith
lucy is the other beta that survived the op
polar elm
OP Torpedo I think
fleet wraith
yup
versed helm
I mean odds are Lucy was pulling her punch, no matter how it was described
fleet wraith
unless that was the alpha company op
versed helm
Probably like one of those times where you get angry and want to hit something
But like as you go to hit it you realize you don't want to damage it and kinda
fleet wraith
unless that was the alpha company op
i get the alpha company and beta company op messed up in my head
versed helm
Pull back mid-impact
gilded mason
Or Traviss is just bad. 😋
fleet wraith
alpha had operation prometheus right?
polar elm
Beats me
versed helm
And then standing around doing that
Breathing through your lips thing
Just like
Just like
Oooh that wasn't the best move
That's my Lucy punching Halsey headcanon
Thanks for coming to my TED talk
gilded mason
lol
gilded mason
Her nose is hard light.
versed helm
It's all a geas
The Librarian programmed her ancestor's genes to travel down the generations and emit an energy shield at that specific moment of impact
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
I guess the Librarian didn't care about her arm though
fleet wraith
lucy really shouldve completely shattered her entire arm but they miscalculated a bit
gilded mason
Unless losing the arm is part of something even greater!
versed helm
When it got mangled by a bloodthirsty, huge, terrifically strong creature bent on a fanatical crusade of vengeance
And then by Jul
gilded mason
eyy
fleet wraith
lmao
versed helm
👉 😉 👉
fleet wraith
s4s are trash change my mind
fleet wraith
i say this but if command ever asked me id jump to be a s4 in a heartbeat
fleet wraith
shoutout to the spartans 4s getting caught right at the beginning of bad blood
or new blood
cant remember which
versed helm
I mean Osiris are pretty stronk
gilded mason
Say not that accursed name.
versed helm
Everyone thinks they're bad because they weren't acting their hearts out like characters in a David Cage game
But I mean
Every member of Osiris is OP in their own way
versed helm
You got Buck who's one of the baddest combat vets in the UNSC
fleet wraith
lmao lets just make this civilian translator into a supersoldier
versed helm
You've got Locke who's a smooth talker with an ink-blotted ONI record
You've got Tanaka who's uncompromising and also has the smart abilities
And Vale did a thing on the Ark and has a hinge head fetish so she's useful too
gilded mason
I don’t like them because they’re more Spartans. 🙃
fleet wraith
yeah theyre a good oni problem solver group
but they shouldnt be spartans except for buck
and tanaka
gilded mason
Oh yes. ...That thing
versed helm
I mean it's the basis for her being a Spartan
She's got all the big brain translator anthropologist stuff
But she also has kung fu
fleet wraith
still though
thats no equivalent of the years and years of experience the other s4s had in special operations
i doubt she couldve made an opord
lead an infantry team
fleet wraith
or even make a 800meter shot
versed helm
It's because of that video that I do and always will love Osiris
gilded mason
Anyway. Stop talking until morning so I can sleep without itching to interject in conversations.
Night.
fleet wraith
lmao looters thank you for this video
or near your space cows
culo or whatever those space dinosaurs called em
versed helm
But yeah
I mean you have to assume that Vale picked up those skills as she went
Presumably she's qualified in every skill a Spartan operator needs
Typical off-screen stuff
Wouldn't be the first time ONI drummed up some kinda special training program
If Meridan Divide has told us one thing
It's that any child has a child soldier in them just waiting to be let out 
And presumably that logic also translates to young women who happen to be kung-fu translator anthropologists.
versed helm
How would a Halo Reach campaign DLC work?
Like a campaign DLC that goes through the Fall of Reach but from Chief's POV
Well, if it sticks to the skeleton of events in the novel
It would involve two levels
The Mark V test, and Gamma Station
polar elm
Since when do humans know the names of Covenant races?
Or were they used interchangeably throughout the war?
versed helm
That is one of the big questions
polar elm
Our attempts at translating their comms were primitive at best.
versed helm
Well, we had 27 years.
polar elm
Even in 52, they were referred to by their human names
versed helm
That's partly because it's easier to scream "ELITE!" or "BRUTE!" than "SANGHEILI!" or "JIRALHANAE!" I imagine.
polar elm
Along come the Innies and they know Jackals are Kig-Yar in Cole Protocol
versed helm
Actually you know what
This isn't a very big question at all
When I said it was a big question
I thought that the names that the Covenant species have actually meant stuff in Latin
So I assumed that they were also human-given names
But I just checked Halopedia and it doesn't seem like it
So the big question I thought was a big question wasn't a question
It was a mistake
And if you can't see how ONI linguists could've figured out the real names early on in the war, and if you can't come up with the circumstances in which the real names or human names are used on a case-by-case basis
It seems like you're just not really thinking it through enough
It's a non-issue
Most of the time the context for the latter count is baked into the book
In Halo stories, there is a distinct tendency for humans to refer to the Covenant species by their actual species names when they're not trying to offend them
But if those humans are soldiers, or are in a hurry, they'll use the human terms
That logic holds true most of the time, and if not we can just find other reasons relating to character's personalities
shrewd trout
Looters go to bed
it's 3am
shrewd trout
am or pm for you
shrewd trout
go to bed anyway
versed helm
Kin of Chips I am
shrewd trout
if I'm sleeping everyone else must sleep as well
versed helm
I see
severe lodge
343 Guilty Spark's Guide from Conversations from the Universe in Halo 2 limited edition describes colloquial terms and covenant name of covenant races
polar elm
I'll look into it
fair hazel
Several people seem to make fun of Osiris in that video there. Honestly I find the cutscene amazing. As for vale. She’s proved herself to becoming a spartan. She did compete in cross service wargames where she performed exceptionally did she not?
She is gifted and that lets her get further easier.
polar elm
What do we know about UNSC reverse engineering Covenant weaponry? They seem to have captured stuff like plasma pistols and the like early on in the war. Whatever happened of it?
fair hazel
Well. Nothing on a huge wide scale. But there have been plasma advances and prototypes still.
polar elm
Any sources?
fair hazel
Plasma rhinos, the plasma hybrid weapon seen in the first meridian book
polar elm
Thanks
severe lodge
In FoR book Dr Halsey explains that upgraded MJOLNIR armor was done after Kig-Yar point defense gauntlet were sanctionned on sigma octanus iv and reverse engineered by Halsey
polar elm
I do remember that.
severe lodge
If I remember correctly
polar elm
I was more interested in the weapons aspect
severe lodge
rhino tank ?
polar elm
Will check it out.
dim imp
Weren't they in hw ?
severe lodge
yeah to destroy a dome on arcadia
I think we only see some prototypes because those are not scalable during the h-c war as it would require new ships, etc. Later in the war and after it human are more interested in forerunner tech (as covenant tech is based on it as well but still primitive in comparison)
still ibex
quick question: when did the covenant learn to speak english and do they call their vehicles ghosts, phantoms, etc or was those just assigned to them by humanity?
keen canopy
1: quite early on, they're good at learning languages.
2: those are humanity's names for them. They call them something else in their native tongues.
polar elm
It's established pretty early on that Covenant learned English pretty fast. They sent a message to the humans before attacking them "Your destruction is the will of the Gods, and we are their instrument."
That was way back in 2525 shortly after first contact.
It is, however, unclear if that message was a message translated by their own tech or them speaking the language itself.
In either case, if they did have translation capabilities, it can be inferred that they learned the language soon after.
dim imp
I was thinking about Halo 2 and asked myself :
You kill the Prophet of Regret in the level Regret of Halo 2, however in the first cutscene of the level Gravemind, Regret is alive
Can anyone explain to me what happened ?
severe lodge
He is not really alive, he has been contaminated by the flood
carmine sleet
Gravemind was using his body
severe lodge
And part of the gravemind
polar elm
It seems that he was infected yet he retained some semblance of consciousness.
dim imp
Oh, so Regret is the puppet of the gravemind ?
polar elm
Mostly, yes.
dim imp
Thanks for the answer
dim imp
Absorbed by the Gravemind when he doesn't need to talk to Arbiter anymore I guess
severe lodge
Brain food
polar elm
Gotta love me some of that brain chow
dim imp
And quite an important knowledge as Regret knew where the portal to the Ark was
polar elm
-Gravemind probably
dim imp
How do UNSC choose the name of the different Installation that they found ? Like 04 is Alpha and 05 is Delta. The jump from "Alpha" to "Delta" doesn't make sense to me, it should be Beta
Or Delta for 04 and Epsilon for 05 would also make sense
spice steppe
Beta is for anyone to test and try out the game
Alpha testing is where they identify any bugs/fixes which is done when they are nearly finished with there project
polar elm
I haven't found an answer to that either
dim imp
I don't talk about the development phases but the Greek alphabet characters that the UNSC seems to use to name the installations
spice steppe
Oh then thats weird
dim imp
They don't seem to use the NATO alphabet as they call Installation 03 "Gamma" instead of "Golf"
polar elm
My bad. Deleted that.
dim imp
No worry man
polar elm
Alpha is cool. Beta wasn't used, Gamma was discovered somewhere else, and then we have Delta
spice steppe
Lol
dim imp
But why that order, that's so weird
polar elm
It's classified
spice steppe
Strange, but its how they do it
polar elm
🤷
spice steppe
Cant wait to play Halo
polar elm
Maybe somewhere down the line we'll get a Beta Halo
spice steppe
Woops
polar elm
Yup. Just saw Halopedia.
unique rune
The UNSC doesn’t name the Halo installations. Their assigned number indicates the order in which they were constructed (or added to the Array, in the case of 07/Zeta). The alphabetical designation indicates firing order.
polar elm
Whoa
unique rune
So even though Installation 04 was the fourth ring to be constructed and added to the Neoteric Halo Array, its position as Alpha Halo means it’s the first to fire.
dim imp
The alphabetical designation indicates firing order.
Don't they all fire at the same time when the array is activated ?
unique rune
As I understand it, no. They fire in sequence. It’s likely a very close sequence, but there’s still going to be a delay between each ring firing due to communication distance.
dim imp
Oh I see
Thank you for the answer, it was one of the biggest mystery for me
polar elm
It was on Halopedia as well. Should have caught that. Thanks for the enlightenment.
Onward with the Great Journey
Oh this reminds me
When you fire plasma at Grunts, aren't their methane tanks supposed to explode?
dim imp
I guess so
Methane is combustible, dioxygen is oxidizer, plasma is the heat source, so it should explode yes
polar elm
It's kinda strange that there have been few descriptions of that happening. Or perhaps it happens so often that it would be repetitive to write.
Does it happen in game?
dim imp
Nope
unique rune
Kinda-not really?
You can cause their combat harnesses to burst if you punch or shoot them enough and send them flying, but I don’t recall any full-on explosions.
dim imp
Not an explosion at all, it is just the methane that escapes so strongly that it makes the grunt fly
stoic hamlet
It definitely happens in the books
But then books and games Aren’t the same when it comes to weapon behaviour
looking at you, Plasma Pistol
versed helm
Guys i never played Halo before, is Halo Reach the first game in the chronological order ?
safe ferry
Actually a good question as im not 100% sure where on the timeline reach sits
unique rune
If you’re only looking at the first-person games, yes.
Oh right
filter
gah
Otherwise HW1 is the first game, chronologically.
Takes place in the 2530s as opposed to the 2550s.
safe ferry
Also didnt know that and ive played HW1 lol
looks like i need to brush up on my Halo lore
carmine sleet
It goes HW, Reach, CE, 2 with ODST happening concurrent to the events of the game, 3, Spartan Assault, 4, Spartan Strike, 5 and finally HW 2
safe ferry
Awesome that helps
carmine sleet
No problem
fleet wraith
lmao canadian
safe ferry
Canadian?
fleet wraith
first time i saw the plasma pistol in book i looked at it really confused
like "is this the same weapon from the game????"
stoic hamlet
Heh
fleet wraith
literally destroying everything it touches
stoic hamlet
Yeah the games are terrible with the actual in-universe damages for the weapons
TBF they kind of need to be for the sandbox, but like
Half the guns in game would be useless against Spartans, and the other half kill you in one hit
fleet wraith
imagine if the smg was realistic lol
bullets just absolutely bouncing off the armor
stoic hamlet
Reminder like, all UNSC BDU’s are basically bulletproof
The M6 would be a beast though.
12.7mm SAP-HE is nothing to slouch at.
fleet wraith
also even though that fancy mjolnir(At least the mk4) could keep em alive in space for 90 minutes the newer ones instantly killed them when they touched water in game
stoic hamlet
Yep lol
polar elm
The what?
fleet wraith
its all those fancy computer systems on board that interface with their brain lol
ab i think its a halo 5 gun
stoic hamlet
Introduced in H4
polar elm
No I meant you die if you touch water?
stoic hamlet
In game yeah, basically
fleet wraith
knee deep water = instant death
polar elm
If a suit is vacuum proof, it certainly should be waterproof as well
stoic hamlet
In the books no
fleet wraith
im chalking it up to an exposed wire lol
stoic hamlet
We have a few hints of armour specialized for underwater fighting, with hints it occurred quite often in the latter years of the war
polar elm
By the way, I only came across two instances of methane tanks exploding. One would be TFoR, the second I just came across in Cole Protocol.
fleet wraith
mjolnir shorts and all the shield power fries the brain
polar elm
Might be more though but it'll take time
stoic hamlet
There’s definitely more
fleet wraith
theres that time that blue team went against a few hundred grunts...
stoic hamlet
But it’ll take a bit yeah.
fleet wraith
they had to have exploded quite a few
polar elm
Thel went down to that methane planet thing. Just one plasma discharge and kaboom would have solved everything.
fleet wraith
just omitted from the writing
stoic hamlet
On Jericho VII, TFoR prologue
polar elm
Yeah I guess so
stoic hamlet
The methane planet is in Cole Protocol
polar elm
Yep
stoic hamlet
One of my favourite sequences happens there
polar elm
Good guy Canadian
polar elm
Nup. Going through the stuff mostly in release order.
stoic hamlet
I have yeah
fleet wraith
heck
stoic hamlet
You have quite a ways to go, lol
polar elm
The Great Journey awaits
I absolutely love the pride and honor stuff about the Sangheili.
They're even crazier than Saiyans!
Vegeta would be humbled
fleet wraith
ab im sure youll a have great time with last light and all the spartan 3 chapters in the other books
also pride is the sanghellis biggest weakness
polar elm
No doubt it would be.
stoic hamlet
^^^^
polar elm
I can't quite remember where else I read about a race being so proud. Saiyans are the only comparison I can draw at the moment.
You guys have any?
fleet wraith
not into a lot of other fiction stuff
stoic hamlet
I suppose maybe like, Elves in typical fantasy. Elder in Warhammer 40K
polar elm
Hmm, it also gives me some samurai vibes of sorts.
Like how you're executed if you fail to repel the enemy or some stuff like that
That's about it for me.
fleet wraith
yeah no doubt some of the sanghelli culture was based around feudal japanese culture
polar elm
I also really liked how Innies and regular folk banded together on the Rubble. There were shades of grey morality. But sadly, it didn't dive much deeper than just showing us this much.
Pretty much gets abandoned in favor of the plot.
Also my boi Thel on a mission 
terse lava
Book did have a pretty good plot, gave good focus on both humans and Covenant
fair hazel
A lot of times specific numbers like that aren’t given
Sangheili isn’t based solidly around feudal Japanese culture
Shield stops damage
It isn’t like kinetic shield or energy only shield
polar elm
Which shielding?
terse lava
Always figured the sangheili were a combination of feudal japan, and European knights,
terse lava
Oh yea, forgot the Roman's, knew there was a third one
frigid minnow
Wasnt that the entire plot of a Halo Legends chapter
terse lava
No?
high ginkgo
anyone wanna talk about the flood?
frigid minnow
It was The Duel, The Sangheili were basically wearing Kimono's
gilded mason
Visual aspects of Legends are noncanon
terse lava
The buildings just resembled japaenae and other society's buildings
As for flood talk, what regard?
gilded mason
After all, not like Halsey looks like a 20 year old blond woman in her 50s.
high ginkgo
Um
terse lava
@gilded mason but that anti aging cream
high ginkgo
The flood-forerunner war
gilded mason
@terse lava
The evidence for her being a Precursor just keeps piling up...
terse lava
Alright, what part of the flood war
What part of the forerunner flood war?
Darn lag
terse lava
Well the didact created them from forerunner promethean and later primitive humans
@gilded masonHalsey: all is sweetness
high ginkgo
Tried to make them immune to the flood
But it didn’t work out so well because they were ordered by the highest authority
terse lava
Well a way to. Battle the flood and stay immune
high ginkgo
Yeah
The knights were effective and efficient but the only problem was the numbers of how many commanded them and also the flood
terse lava
Well they would have failed even with proper. Numbers due to precursor artifacts coming alive
high ginkgo
Ah, okay
brave gorge
likely because it is time consuming, plus explosives is much more effective then precision point lasers
gilded mason
It'd depend. After all, a sentinel can only use the kamikaze hit once, but can indefinitely use their laser. And if they use their laser, they'd have additional back up to do even more damage every second, instead of it always being depleted from them destroying themselves.
fleet wraith
Possibly rampant ai comtrolling the sentinels
Or maybe to use psychological aspect of having a swarm of drones kamikaze
The latter seems far less likely from a fully functioning forerunner ai though
gilded mason
I was gonna say. Psychological stuff vs a ship would be a bit odd.
fleet wraith
I didnt play hw2 who was controlling the sentinels?
gilded mason
They were autonomous
fleet wraith
Was the ship unmanned?
gilded mason
There were people inside, but they did nothing to try to stop the sentinels.
fleet wraith
So most likely controlled by a rampant forerunner monitor? Or was there an aboslute confirmation of no monitor?
brave gorge
well in HW2 they can apparently explode violently upon death, likely to rupture their energy storage. And apparently the drones follow a swarm tactic over an autonomous
gilded mason
The Monitor was already gone by the time of HW2.
brave gorge
The only monitor on the ark is mendicant
brave gorge
well there is still guilty, still roaming the galaxy
fleet wraith
Maybe the devs were just like: laser old. gamer no like boomer. kamikaze instead.
brave gorge
because he is too popular to stay dead
gilded mason
The most likely thing was that they just wanted something really bombastic for people to look at.
fleet wraith
Well he got beat up quite a bit but wasnt he fixed up?
gilded mason
He transferred himself to a Soldier body.
fleet wraith
I dont recall ever reading of him in the post halo 3 books but i dont read ghe comics
Oh wth
brave gorge
ONI is hungry for some forerunner content
merry island
cahntent
fleet wraith
Was this in a comic ostral?
fleet wraith
;-;
gilded mason
This was after his severely damaged shell was recovered in the Forerunner trilogy.
carmine sleet
I read Renegades recently and it was an enjoyable read
fleet wraith
Oh is renegades the one with forges daughter
gilded mason
Yeah
carmine sleet
Yes
fleet wraith
Its at the bottom of my reading list lmao
carmine sleet
Move it to the top
fleet wraith
I got real tired of hearing about gao and new tyne lol
stoic hamlet
OMG
fleet wraith
I read oblivion and thought "of course these innie sympathizers want to go to gao"
stoic hamlet
I’m not alone in my dislike of GAO constantly being brought up when there are plenty of other places?
fleet wraith
You are not alone canadian
gilded mason
Yeah, makes the universe feel a lot smaller when the same places and people keep being mentioned or used.
carmine sleet
What? You don't want to go visit Gao and all its wonderful stuff?
But on a more serious note, yeah, it can cause that problem
fleet wraith
I didnt mind it when lopis had to go back but i feel like after that theyre just shoving it down our throats
gilded mason
Hopefully Denning is going somewhere with Gao being used all the time. Like, everything in his series comes to a head there.
He uses the chasis, yes.
stoic hamlet
There were so many other insurrectionist places they could have mentioned.
Jericho VII
Mamore
Venezia
Madrigal
Etc
gilded mason
Least he has hands now.
fleet wraith
Well i said new tyne canadian
And whenever venezia is mentioned
THEY GOING TO NEW TYNE
JACKAL CENTRAL
stoic hamlet
Actually doesn’t that present a plot hole?
brave gorge
@stoic hamlet How can you forget the infamous Draco III
carmine sleet
If there were any spares of Spark's old monitor body, they would've been lost when 04 was destroyed
Plus, like what Ostral mentioned, Spark has hands now. And he can wear clothes again
fleet wraith
Well a ring getting esplody boomed caused that ai on gao to get awoken
gilded mason
Clothes are for nerds.
fleet wraith
Im very interested to see more of that ai
gilded mason
Not yet
fleet wraith
Retribution made me want more of that insane forerunner ai
Absolutely blackmailed humans lol
stoic hamlet
Or not a plot hole but like, if Gao was already an Innie hotbed, why weren’t Alpha Company or some other ONI team sent to deal with them? Especially seeing as they had first hand knowledge of the Spartan II’s.
Mamore seemingly actually managed to become independent for a bit, but surely Gao was also an issue?
fleet wraith
Forerunner: Yo lets give em the mantle theyre ready
Forerunner creation: ya lets not okay bye
gilded mason
Yo lets give em the mantle theyre ready
stoic hamlet
Intrepid Eye was for them getting the mantle, she just didn’t think they were ready at that moment
stoic hamlet
Also, bringing up Oblivion, the ending was dumb and the feelings I’m meant to feel from the way it’s written are really, really not okay.
gilded mason
Which part?
stoic hamlet
The majority of the ending with the UNSC/ONI.
There’s someone who frequents the channel who hasn’t read it yet so I don’t want to spoil it
fleet wraith
Holy bananas the discussion channels are popping because reach about to drop
stoic hamlet
||the way it ended with Cole and Halsey allowing the Kids to leave, and no repercussions being incurred on John is really, really not a good thing, even though the book sort of presents it like that. And the way they just kind of gloss over the fact that quite a few people were marooned via implied Sabotage is.....it leaves a poor taste In my mouth.||
remote spruce
what in many tarnations
fleet wraith
Lol ms gimme ship was the best character in that lol
rustic canyon
oblivion was an interesting book. I don't think it was the best but as the middle of a trilogy... have to hope it carries over into the third book
fleet wraith
I want more kilo five and bb
stoic hamlet
If you’re referring to the Prowler Commander I feel you’re missing a lot of context for her attitude and decisions in the book.
fleet wraith
I NEED it
No im referring to the lady/teenage(?) Girl that wanted that old transport ship
rustic canyon
I wan a Sarah Palmer/Locke book something to more add into the characters.
fleet wraith
I feel really bad for the prowler commander actually
rustic canyon
oh and has anyone read the battleborn YA ones? I got them but playiing catch up on the books
stoic hamlet
I have.
They’re not bad
Like obviously don’t go in expecting Ghosts of Onyx
But they’re better than Legacy of Onyx. They don’t dumb things down, but they don’t overtly describe things either.
rustic canyon
thank you, sounds like they can be worth it next... once I finish envoy
fleet wraith
I wouldnt have mind legacy of onyx if it didnt focus on a bunch of teenagers that really shouldnt be getting along
Taking down a guardian
Albeit it really was the huragok that did the real work
But still
They shouldve focused more on the girls individual story i feel and lucy and tom
rustic canyon
wait what.... I have the book and it is in the to read pile bt teens took down a guardian? something locke and company with blue team couldn't really do
gilded mason
I enjoyed the Bakar parts. But other things felt half-baked.
fleet wraith
Yeah i enjoyed his little side story
rustic canyon
well I ahve learned when it comes to halo books there is always kernals of good in them even if some don't make as much sense.
fleet wraith
It was really the whole mushy everyone gets along friendship overpowers everything bit that killed it for me
gilded mason
I liked that part.
fleet wraith
Lol
gilded mason
The different species being at each others throats gets a bit old after a while.
fleet wraith
Also i have no clue how the heck them kids caught up to spartan even if he was going a bit slower than usual and he had only a minimal headstart
Bakar and the huragok i understand
But two humans and a flipping 4 foot tall hairless dog with a breathing rig on her back
Yeah thats a hard sell pal
sacred dew
So Wait get an engineer on a guardian an u basically win
fleet wraith
No no no richard
Friendship
Friendship overpowers the Guardian
For its cold dead mechanical heart can not possibly overpower that
Except you know unless it earthquakes you to death
And it probably has laser beams
But hey
sacred dew
Friendship is magic
rustic canyon
to be fair if there is any pony who could defeat a gaurdian it would be pinkie pie
severe cosmos
ummmm
rustic canyon
I have 5 nieces any it is one of the few shows that doesn't treat them like idiots. I would say it is the avatar or gargoyles of animated shows for little girls meant to sell toys. now it is 10:01
sacred dew
Not even the flood is safe from friendship
rustic canyon
well I mean the precursors were friendly at first and then the forerunners killed them so they came back pissed... friendship might have actually prevented you know three great civilizations from being destroyed. ancient humanity, precursors and forerunners
terse lava
We have not. Even shown the precursors were truly nice. Seem more like beings who created and erased creations rather easily
The fact they could go utterly nuts and seek to bring only suffering now doesn't put them in the best light
rustic canyon
true but if anything they seemed more neutral in it. that is just what happened as opposed to they wanted to be outright malicious. the mantle meant seed the galaxy but also maintain it so life and death of species should be part of it. main things we know about them is they created the flood as revenge against their destructors
versed helm
Um, what does MLP have to do with Halo
rustic canyon
it was from a joke about one of the books
versed helm
Anyways, why the heck did they change the Warthog to the Halo 4-5 one in Halo 2 Anniversary ? They changed the canon too, I'm pretty sure the B variant wasn't introduced in 2552, but apparently it was.
Hopefully they don't retcon the Halo Reach designs too.
It's getting annoying at this point
Especially such the 4-5 design is terribly ugly
This isn't even a remaster, it's a retcon of designs
proud quail
people sure are defensive of their video game assets, arent they
proud quail
also i just googled it but it's not the H4/H5 design
versed helm
It is
proud quail
The only additions are the bar thingies for the front
versed helm
In the Halo 2 Anniversary , they used the Halo4-5 Warthog designs
The complete design
Wash your eyes out with water
proud quail
guess i need a new prescription then, i remember 4 and 5 hogs totally different
unique rune
H2A uses a version of the 4/5 model.
Doesn't retcon the other Warthog models out of existence.
The Bungie-style design still exists in CE(A), 3, and Reach.
unique rune
...And I would know that... why?
versed helm
Thinking you knew more than I did about it
unique rune
I don't know what the creative decisions behind Halo 2 Anniversary were.
There's a myriad of things it could be.
Not to mention that just because it's the only version of the Warthog that we see in H2A doesn't mean that it was canonically the only variation that was used during those events.
versed helm
Yeah, because that model wasn't supposed to release until 2558
unique rune
Evidently that's been changed so that some version of the M12B had been deployed by 2552.
So.
feral perch
The Spirit of Fire has M12B hogs, so they’ve been around for most of the Covenant War
versed helm
Bad enough Spartan Locke had Spartan 4 armor in this anniversary
versed helm
Oh, okay, thanks
feral perch
Yeah.
versed helm
Hopefully this same doesn't happen with a Halo 3 Anniversary
Or else I'm ignoring 343 canon
feral perch
how petty
versed helm
Oh well
I'm just glad they kept everything the same with Reach PC
You like what you like, I like what I like
I don't like my lore and designs being changed .🤷🏿♂️
feral perch
it’s not ‘yours’
versed helm
They can miss me with that "it was used rarely, but still existed" bull
My lore and designs = lore and designs I prefer, like and grew up with
Obviously
feral perch
You know what I meant.
versed helm
Buzz off dude
feral perch
no u
versed helm
Buzzing like a Drone 
feral perch
Nah, like an M12B ‘Hog
versed helm
M12B Hogs don't buzz 🤦🏿♂️
versed helm
Buzz. Bzzzzzz
feral perch
Just like that, yeah
versed helm
More like vrmmmm
feral perch
maybe you should get that checked out man
versed helm
If there's one game they don't have to update it's Reach
Reach in HD 60 fps looks better than 5 does on a regular Xbone
this is lit
AYYYY
It's my boy
Nah bro, M12B hog go vrhmmmmm, vrhmmmm.
Sounds like a motorcycle my dude
Well I mean I was about to say
If you're perturbed by anniversary games shifting things around in the lore
Or new games not having the sickest designs
I reckon a whole lotta mods are gonna be rockin' up real soon
That'll let you carve out your own little perfectly canonically acceptable slice of the Halo universe
Wanna fight on Installation 04 with Marines in H3 getup?
Bet it's gonna happen
Bet there's gonna be all kinds of tacticool mods
You just wait
feral perch
The problem is that console will either never get them or be way, way behind on that content :/
versed helm
Well that's just a fundamental trait of console gaming
It's an unsolvable problem
It's neutral
versed helm
I'm pretty sure Fallout 4's workshop thing is still a bit behind PC
You gotta like
Vet those mods
feral perch
A bit behind is acceptable if there’s any content at all
humble yacht
good question
humble yacht
Either that or the gravemind crushed him and left him on the ring
tho when you think about it, he would have needed him to teleport his mass to HC
terse lava
Likely
humble yacht
probably kept him around to access the teleportation grid
low crown
maybe that's how the he teleport arby and the chief?
gilded mason
It is, yes.
low crown
thanks for clearing that up for me.
sharp wigeon
Ok so did they ever explain how the chief got off the ship in the end of halo 2
sacred dew
"You always jump "
"Someday your gonna land on something almost as stubborn as you"
half apex
what if mjolnir armor incorporated forruner and human tech 🤔
gilded mason
Then it might be better than it currently is. Or possibly worse if they incorporate it in a silly way.
half apex
hmm
feral perch
In-helmet bubblegum dispenser @gilded mason
gilded mason
Nice.
rustic canyon
yeah oni starting working on some hybrid armors but haven't gotten it to chief just yet
gilded mason
They apparently had the Huragok do it for them.
stoic hamlet
Reminder that John doesn’t necessarily deserve a special suit, his entire thing is his averageness.
In the books he swaps designs so often him having a “usual” look is basically just marketing.
rustic canyon
they wouldn't use it but there was a class or group that had enhanced armor as I recall
the prophets were the real ones with powered armor
half apex
im not saying for just chief to wear
gilded mason
Elites with mjolnir armor
Well, we got Sangheili making Mjolnir themselves, so I imagine it's been thought about for some Artisan-Armorers.
half apex
i was wondering if it just exists
stoic hamlet
Then the answer is a simple yes 🙂
feral perch
There’s fan art I’ve seen of Sangheili Mjolnir. It’s fantastic
half apex
well it wasn't custom made for the elite's physical shape
gilded mason
They can alter it for Elites, if they so chose.
half apex
eh well they do have armor from time in the covenent i guess
idk if its on par with mjolnir tho
gilded mason
Though more likely they'd just add in any component they thought was neat into their usual armor.
versed helm
I suspect an Elite trying to actually use MJOLNIR's strength enhancing elements wouldn't go well
gilded mason
idk if its on par with mjolnir tho
Some are, some aren't.
half apex
Im guessing they wouldn't. I assume this because ONI would be in charge of its production, but i've heard that oni is attempting to destroy the elite race
feral perch
Sangheili with SPI, anyone?
gilded mason
ONI stopped that thing
gilded mason
I assume this because ONI would be in charge of its production
Nah, production is on Sanghelios.
half apex
how? didn't they rely on the prophet's race?
versed helm
I must admit to be kinda opposed to the notion that Sangheili would have anything akin to MJOLNIR as-yet.
In the future I could see it
half apex
im sorry, im not as informed on halo lore as much as u guys
versed helm
But their armour doesn't seem to be structured in such a way as to be able to allow for any kind of strength enhancement
gilded mason
how? didn't they rely on the prophet's race?
A misconception. There have been tons of Sangheili engineers, manufacturers, etc throughout Covenant history.
versed helm
The fact that there were engineers, manufacturers and armourers doesn't preclude them from being reliant on the broader Covenant.
Which they were.
half apex
i guess covenant armor for the elites makes it easier to crush people by stepping on them
stoic hamlet
They don’t really need it though
half apex
like we saw with gek and Dr. Glassman in Spartan ops
versed helm
There were Sangheili which were known for those things but in a structural sense, Sangheili culture produces soldiers.
stoic hamlet
They’re stronger than the average bear human
half apex
rip Glassman :/
versed helm
I've interpreted Sangheili culture as being akin to, ironically, Spartan culture.
half apex
both trained since they were children
versed helm
Well, Spartan culture had the Spartans, and the Helots.
The Spartans were all warriors
And the Helots did virtually everything else
half apex
Helots?
gilded mason
Eh, soldiers might've been what they were most known for, but they still had a variety of professions other than that.
versed helm
Effectively slaves.
half apex
U mean Head Hunters?
half apex
ooh ok
versed helm
It is very possible to structure a society which relies on imported labour
stoic hamlet
Sparta Intensifies
versed helm
And the sources which are fresh in my mind all paint a picture where Sangheili who are not part of the warrior system represent a huge minority
half apex
and another question.....How long is forerunner life expectancy?
versed helm
It would have been in the Prophet's interests to structure Sangheili society that way
gilded mason
Very long
feral perch
Potentially infinite @half apex but only with armor
versed helm
So Ostral, I'm just gonna have to come out and say that I feel your perspective may be slightly biased.
half apex
I remember seeing Halo 4 promethean edition. Around the beginning with the Didact and LIbrarian conversing, The librarian said they had a discussion A HUNDRED YEARS AGO
gilded mason
Sure it's biased, though I do think it's correct.
feral perch
Their armor does everything for them. They don’t even need to sleep
versed helm
On what basis? What source actually contradicts K-5's info?
We've got some names of Sangheili who do other stuff
But aside from that
Not a lot of particularly deep societal information
Beyond what you're disregarding
half apex
i'd be surprised to hear that there are elites who are doctors
gilded mason
There are, yes.
half apex
👀
versed helm
It's a growth sector.
half apex
oh yeah right
half apex
elite females?
versed helm
Swords of Sangheilios I mean.
feral perch
We hear one in Halo 5, Makee.
half apex
wait then why do they carry energy swords then....
gilded mason
What?
versed helm
Typical patriarchal social structure for the females.
The women keep everything from falling apart while the men prance around with energy swords in outer space.
feral perch
That sounds like an ideal society tbf
versed helm
Clearly the Arbiter learned a thing or two from seeing how humanity does it.
feral perch
/s
versed helm
There are things which women are better at than men which are incredibly invaluable in a military capacity.
If you want to get all statistical about it
half apex
well thats it for now...thanks so much for answering my questions 😄
versed helm
I'd assume that life for your typical Sangheili woman would be a bit like life for a Medieval Noblewoman
She'd have authority over all the serfs and such
fair hazel
Eh.... um...
feral perch
The Scion was cool
rustic canyon
if I recall, while they didn't take place in the fighting.. the females weren't exactly slouches. Most would have still given a challenge to everyone.
now to have some fun in reach finally
gilded mason
Couch potato Sangheili
dreamy terrace
Do people really believe that the majority of the sangheili were..only warriors?
dreamy terrace
yikes
rustic canyon
no but like with most cultures the bulk of them you meet are
dreamy terrace
There's no concievable way that works.
versed helm
As-if
Just look at human history
I made the Spartan comparison earlier
Your mistake is seeing Sangheili society as something that stands alone in the first place
dreamy terrace
Yeah I saw. It's a bad analogy becuase the Sangheili are not equivalent to Sparrtans.
Sangheili are equivalent to Spartans + the Helots.
versed helm
Up till the Schism, Sangheili society was thoroughly interwoven with the Covenant
That's what I'm saying
Fool
That was meant to be an affectionate fool
Not like a rude fool
dreamy terrace
Yes, I know all that. I still don't see how you can get the majority of Sangheili to be warriors. How does that actually work?
versed helm
The Sangheili imported labour and expertise in return for serving as warriors
Their physicality and social structure lent themselves to soldiering more than any other task
It would be inefficient for the Covenant to have wasted too many of them on other stuff
feral perch
Also High Counciloring