#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 257

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 2:42 AM

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that's what i meant, sorry

stoic hamlet Nov 15, 2019, 2:42 AM

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No problem, I’m just being pedantic

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 2:43 AM

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like usual

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I mean Reach is far from the only thing that contradicts TFoR.

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From the very beginning, TFoR had issues with CE. As a kid I remember reading the (now-gone, I believe) description of the PoA's bridge and just going "that ain't right".

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It's so strange that Nylund was willing to throw grav-ball, floating statues, and anti-grav plates into his writing

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But fell back on the idea of rotating carousels, despite the PoA's interior in CE

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 2:58 AM

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The more you stop to think about Reach the more it stands out as making absolutely no sense

terse lava Nov 15, 2019, 3:09 AM

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The true reason for the battle, the Covenant were aware of these and thus burned the planet

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 3:11 AM

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@deep pewter It stops making sense

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Then it starts making sense again a little bit

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The other day I was trying to provide a conceptualization for the battle

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Basically, the order of events is that the Supercarrier approaches Reach, gets under the planetary guns, totally undetected. It manages this because the CSO-class integrates Forerunner stealth systems which humanity couldn't prepare for

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It lands troops in secret who set up camouflaged staging areas and teleporters, and then move to cut of comms

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 3:14 AM

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The beginning is okay, the dates are the real issues

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Oh, I don't care about the dates.

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I'm more interested in the order of events.

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Anyway I started my spiel, I gotta finish it

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NOBLE responds, discovers their presence, they retaliate by hitting Sword Base, parking a corvette over the base to deter a response from the orbital guns (which the CSO carried to Reach in the same way the Infinity carries subvessels). That ends with the corvette being forced back and blasted. So far, the UNSC is focusing on mobilizing its forces to keep the Covenant contained around the "Dead Zone" - all of this happens basically before the UNSC can respond in a meaningful way.

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The Covenant responds to that by launching surprise attacks from the Dead Zone which crucially eliminate ODPs

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 3:17 AM

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And the idea that Spartan 3s are for some reason field testing mark V months before 2s get it

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 3:17 AM

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That's not that bad of an idea.

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Besides, 343 tried to patch it by saying that the II's got the same version of Mark V in 2551

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And the field test in TFoR was just to test Cortana integrating with Mark V's final version

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Obviously untrue if you take the book at face value

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But you can choose to believe it if you want

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I sure as hell don't. The idea of Spartan III's field-testing Mark V (B) early while the IIs stick with tried-and-tested Mark IV is much more compelling to me.

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Anyway, before the UNSC manages to discover the location of the Szurdok Ridge staging area and hit it, the Covenant have cleared an operational safe zone over the planet, where they can operate unmolested without being hit by ODPs.

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This becomes important when the Long Night of Solace is forced to reveal itself.

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Anyway, from that point on it's pretty self-explanatory. Waves of Covenant reinforcements show up, resulting in the the glassing New Alexandria while the UNSC fleet rocks up and holds the line.

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Then Thel's fleet shows up, the struggle for the ODP generator unfolds, and the rest of Reach's defences are compromised and overwhelmed

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Which would make more sense, if not for the dates we got for those events

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Also why would the UNSC wait so long into the events to recall the SIIs to the planet?

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Well, this is the crucial bit.

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When points of difficulty emerge, I favour the game to the book.

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So I go off the game's dates. TFoR is a source compromised by more other sources than just Reach, as I say like a broken record.

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Generally it's fine up till Sigma Octanus IV

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But after that, bets are off.

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That said, the Battle Born books have successfully integrated the notion of Covenant invasions being concealed into the lore.

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I’m the opposite, TFoR was what started this universe and should be respected as such

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 3:27 AM

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It's training wheels, man.

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It shaped it, moulded it, gave it direction.

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But now the universe has outgrown it.

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Let it be free, I say.

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Same goes for First Strike too

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 3:28 AM

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I would agree, but TFoR was a much more compelling story

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 3:28 AM

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That story isn't just part of TFoR anymore, though.

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It's been woven into the very fabric of the Halo universe.

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Everything from Halo 4 to Hunt The Truth to Silent Storm and Mythos and Collateral Damage and Legends and Evolutions and God knows what else - they all sing the story of Spartan IIs to the stars.

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It's very much alive, and very much canon. You just need to realize that you have license to ignore the irreconcilable contradictions, and ignore the dates.

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And also not recommend TFoR to newbies because it'll melt their brains

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 3:34 AM

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I’m just not too keen on rectifying story issues by ignoring certain aspects.

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 3:37 AM

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I mean

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What the hell else are we supposed to do

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The problem is here

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We can't just tell casual fans that NOBLE's story isn't a thing

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On the whole it's probably more revered than TFoR. And let's not forget that Halo is, at its core, a video game franchise.

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 3:44 AM

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If it’s more revered than TFoR that’s a problem with the general audience not reading books and the age of the community going down

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No one wants to get rid of Nobles story, I just want it to make sense within the story we already had

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Well, then the argument between us is who should bend.

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Or what, rather.

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Reach, or TFoR.

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I don't think there's an objective answer to this.

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343, at least, have offered solutions which bend TFoR in a way that kills the intent of the author but not necessarily the content.

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The result is the Halo Canon Battle of Reach timeline.

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I see the Halo Canon timeline as a bit of an abomination.

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 3:56 AM

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There really is no good answer to this, we lose something no matter which path is taken to correct the issues

stoic hamlet Nov 15, 2019, 3:56 AM

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We lose less by changing some dates in TFoR

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That’s really all that needs to occur to make it work, tbh.

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 3:58 AM

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I mean

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There are other corrections too

stoic hamlet Nov 15, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Yes

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But those are he big ones

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 3:59 AM

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I think Chief's encounter with Johnson is probably the most pressing

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And Chief's meeting with Keyes pre-RED FLAG would also need a rework

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Any mention of the PoA's bridge being as it was, or gravity carousels, probably ought to go too if they're still in there (I forget).

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The machine gun on the Marine's hog at Sigma Octanus IV is somehow

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After all these years

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Still described as a 50mm chaingun

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Like what the hell

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How is that still a thing

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It's in the 2019 edition

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Move John receiving Cortana back to August 13th and it resolves a lot of issues

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Takes away a lot of the tension but still

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 4:18 AM

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What's going on? I missed it

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TFoR vs Reach?

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Basically, trying to align the timelines with the least lost

polar elm Nov 15, 2019, 4:38 AM

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While you guys are fighting over the bigger picture, I'm still at odds here with the successfully augmented SIIs. I assume newer canon overrides FoR's number?

sacred dew Nov 15, 2019, 4:40 AM

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Wasn't there a second class of Spartan 2s

deep pewter Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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No

polar elm Nov 15, 2019, 4:42 AM

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They never materialized. Something to do with age problems.

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At least that's what Ackerson said.

sacred dew Nov 15, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Must have been thinking about the washouts then

remote spruce Nov 15, 2019, 5:03 AM

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current lore technically doesn't contradict the numbers, but it's getting close

polar elm Nov 15, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Could you elaborate?

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At the very least, Kurt's KIA status early on in GoO causes a discrepancy.

remote spruce Nov 15, 2019, 5:40 AM

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@polar elm Halsey lied to the Spartans when she stated the current numbers in the briefing

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that, and to fill the gap, many of the washouts were healed up (especially the ones believed to be deded)

polar elm Nov 15, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Err okay

terse lava Nov 15, 2019, 6:28 AM

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Kind of makes me Wonder if the Original way the covenant discovered reach via pro on the Pillar of autumn is still Canon? While this would not apply to the long night of solace, I am curious about the rest of the covenant fleet the arrived

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 7:11 AM

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Looking back in it I realized why nobody will ever forget reach, because it was like a planetary 9-11 in the halo universe

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Also apparently the covenant tell stories about you if you kill thousands of their own like a myth which I think is cool why arbiter calls him demon most of the time

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I wonder what the covenant thought of noble 6

carmine sleet Nov 15, 2019, 7:13 AM

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Not much after they killed him

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 7:13 AM

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9/11 isn't the most apt comparison

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I mean it's just one of many planets

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It'd be like if a huge war erupted in the US

sacred dew Nov 15, 2019, 7:13 AM

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. the same thing they thought if all Spartans

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 7:13 AM

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And the country was burnt piece by piece

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Then one day they burnt the pentagon

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Reach was UNSCs stronghold no?

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Maybe more of a Pearl Harbor than a 9/11

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It was considered the seat of their military power.

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Rivalling Earth.

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It was our fleet base, more or less.

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Most of our ships went down with Reach.

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Yeah and look what happened to high charity

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an eye for an eye.... covenant bastards

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Karma.

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Self-inflicted karma.

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Yeah

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Mostly

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gravemind just like screw it let’s slingshot a frigate into high charity and see what happens

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Yeet

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Said the giant offspring of rotten corpse and venus flytrap.

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The intelligence of the flood is something to be reckoned with

wanton arch Nov 15, 2019, 9:30 AM

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I feel like it’s worth appreciating the fact that he managed to jump the frigate directly inside another ship

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 10:23 AM

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The possibilities are that he used arcane knowledge of slipspace to program the In Amber Clad's drives

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Or he used the teleportation systems of Installation 05

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Either is plausible

terse lava Nov 15, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Will always find it weird that covenant warships didnt patrol the interior of the dome to vaporize the in amber clad. We see them in the H2A terminals, and in concept art of H2A. One would think bungie would have added vcd them in as well

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Anybody know if Halo Reach PC will have any lore changes?

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Or armor changes?

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Or will it just be a HD Port?

carmine sleet Nov 15, 2019, 4:07 PM

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They're not changing any lore

versed helm Nov 15, 2019, 4:08 PM

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hd port is pretty generous. i believe its increased resolution scaling. not redone textures. aka not a remastered game

tired river Nov 15, 2019, 4:08 PM

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@terse lava they were too busy killing each other to have ships patrol inside the city

carmine sleet Nov 15, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Warships aren't meant to be inside that part of High Charity in general

feral perch Nov 15, 2019, 4:16 PM

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I feel as though disregarding an entire book because of canon difficulties in one section is extreme. I’d also like to point out that TFoR is an enjoyable read as a piece of fiction if you aren’t consumed by canon accuracy. With that said, disregarding TFoR will inevitably lead to other problems down the line. Oblivion already has inconsistencies with Silent Storm and FoR animated movie. That’s crazy.

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Although Oblivion seems like a bit of a cash grab to me, ngl

obsidian thistle Nov 15, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Only things its changing Reach wise it seems is Adding new Fireteam Mechanic names it seems. Which in theory is adding new characters.

fair hazel Nov 15, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Are you one of them being added?

feral perch Nov 15, 2019, 4:37 PM

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huh?

fair hazel Nov 15, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Imagine if some community members names were added to the fireteam system

stoic hamlet Nov 15, 2019, 4:44 PM

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That’d be cool....

obsidian thistle Nov 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Nah. I aint one thats added pffft

terse lava Nov 15, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Care to say that with your hand on a halo reach legendary statue?

wanton arch Nov 15, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Regarding in Amber Clad teleporting inside of high charity, I’m fairly sure that in the mission Gravemind in Halo 2, the sound effect they used was that of a slipspace portal opening when in Amber Clad arrived.

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So I guess he used in Amber Clads slipspace drive

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Although there is no visual effect thinkingchief

obsidian thistle Nov 15, 2019, 7:40 PM

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I can say that with my hand on my Halo Reach Legendary Statue I own. :)

crystal crane Nov 15, 2019, 9:55 PM

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true

carmine sleet Nov 15, 2019, 10:50 PM

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AI years aren't different to human years

gilded mason Nov 15, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Rampancy is kind of a thing.

carmine sleet Nov 15, 2019, 10:52 PM

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They have an expected life span of about 7 years, after that, Rampancy is likely to begin

gilded mason Nov 15, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Don't think so.

carmine sleet Nov 15, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Rampancy is what causes them to die

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As Cortana says in Halo 4, they think themselves to death

feral perch Nov 15, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Their core processes get overwritten or pushed aside by new information, and the AI becomes corrupted, is my understanding of it

carmine sleet Nov 15, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Yes, like any software can

safe snow Nov 15, 2019, 11:53 PM

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i have a question

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áre spartan armor shields elite shields?

feral perch Nov 15, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Not exactly. They’re stronger, and iirc were reverse-engineered from Jackal point defense gauntlets

gilded mason Nov 16, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Stronger than some Elite shields, at least.

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 12:28 AM

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I'd assume Spartan shield strength improved over time.

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We know precious little from a lore standpoint regarding energy shields.

gilded mason Nov 16, 2019, 12:29 AM

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Yeah

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 12:29 AM

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But you can virtually guarantee that anything munitions-grade the Covenant produce, MJOLNIR shields can out-do.

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It'd be the master-crafted stuff that you'd have to worry about.

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Working off the assumption that the gear used by high-ranking members of the Covenant is a cut above and potentially somewhat individualized.

gilded mason Nov 16, 2019, 12:30 AM

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Would make sense.

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We know that certain well-known people would commission custom weapons, at the very least.

latent cosmos Nov 16, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Uhm

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I heard that the spartan armor disables shield whenever the helmet is pulled off, contrary to covies and elites who even if they have open helmets revealing their eyes and jaw, they are still shielded.

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 1:01 AM

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I haven't heard that.

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It might very well be true.

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The mechanisms of energy shields are the shield generator, and waveguides.

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The waveguides shape the field.

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The Covenant's open helmets still presumably integrate the waveguides needed to sustain the shield over the head.

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If you remove the helmet entirely, you have no waveguides.

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I wanted to display the Halo 4 Grunts instead of the Halo Reach Grunts, with Halo Reach vehicles, soldiers and etc. If I'm using the M12 vs M12B, would that be accurate?

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In what context?

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Only because Halo 4 Grunts are $10-$15, and have higher articulation than the Halo Reach $30-$40 grunts with limited articulation and standing.

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Ah I see xD

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McFarlane dioramas

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Yea

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While also trying to be lore accurate as possible

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Well, I mean if it's 2552 and onwards it should be fine.

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We've already talked about Covenant Storm gear

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It was rare but not unheard of in the HCW

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The M12B is the real contentious topic but we've got them fixed at least as far back as 2552, likely earlier.

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It's rare, which limits options and creativity, being I would prefer huge scale scenarios and sceneries.

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Yea, I think JadaToys got the M12B, but it just looks ugly. I prefer Reach models

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Halo 4 is too shiny for me

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I don't think there's a canonical conflict.

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Realism was thrown out the window

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That's probably not the accurate way to put it.

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343 designs tend to emphasize functionality.

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I mean on overall design, it was believable as a point in evolution, but now it's trying too hard

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Like, Halo Reach was perfect

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Well I'm not gonna get into a debate about this. Truth is, I don't have much of a preference.

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Generally Reach's aesthetic is 👌 to me.

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It's probably my favourite in terms of looks.

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Same

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Bit of Halo 3 and Halo 2 stuff is up there too.

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I think Marines in Reach-style battledress look amazing with MA5Cs in CE.

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With the model of MA5Cs, I should say.

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The only negative thing about Reach was, "Push me to the edge, all my friends are dead (including me)" , and "no Master Chief" .

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Plus I was confused on the lore when it first came out

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But yeah, the aesthetics is perfect

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The UNSC, at least, has never looked better.

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I'm so sad that 343 switched to Mattel. Mattel line looks like cheap knockoffs

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I do wish they'd had gone in a more believable direction with Spartans, though.

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Instead of having them all be distinctive colours

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Have them be grounded colours and utilize camo

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Find other ways to distinguish them

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But whatcha gonna do, I guess

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Yeah, like a freaking rainbow now

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It's tacky

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Reach started it 🤷‍♂️

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Can't blame 343 for that one.

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But it worked with Reach

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It wasn't BRIGHT and IN YOUR FACE

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It's bright and in your face if you care about military realism.

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It betrays the aesthetic a bit.

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But yeah, could be worse.

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And it got worse.

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Halo 5's palette is kinda unbearable

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The campaign colorations are semi-tolerable

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But all the multiplayer Spartan hues are an eyesore

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AI Spartans look fine

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In Halo 4, that is

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The black armour was sensible

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Bearing in mind that black will silhouette you hardcore if you're not in the shadows

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Chief's green armour with its refractive coating is kinda peak from a lore perspective, cuz it's actually explained

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Chief's armour is military green, but it's just a little bit bright because of coating used on HCW-era MJOLNIR to help mitigate plasma

hot tartan Nov 16, 2019, 2:19 AM

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That's pretty reasonable...

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Chief's armor color is that of gunmetal green, a military classic.

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But Halo 5's multiplayer did have tacky colors.

deep pewter Nov 16, 2019, 2:23 AM

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This is why multi should stay non-canon

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Indeed.

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Though you still gotta account for the canonical teams

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They're still stupid

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NOBLE is the worst offender to me

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Like Jorge's armour is just

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What

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Yellow?

deep pewter Nov 16, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Isn’t it like 3 separate shades?

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 2:24 AM

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He's like a huge highlighter with a machine gun

remote spruce Nov 16, 2019, 2:25 AM

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Jorge represents armor randomly added over time but uh
why EVA shoulder lol

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 2:25 AM

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That's his space shoulder

deep pewter Nov 16, 2019, 2:25 AM

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I really dislike Reach for introducing armor permutations into canon

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Yeah...

remote spruce Nov 16, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Fred with commando though

hot tartan Nov 16, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Reach overall, had Spartan Armor Variety for colors introduced first.

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Those weren't canon, really.

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Up till Reach

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Spartan armour was green with a refractive coating

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Black or grey

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Or it was invisible

deep pewter Nov 16, 2019, 2:27 AM

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One of the points in TFoR, I think, was how Halsey could recognize a Spartan in their armor

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 2:27 AM

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Mhm.

deep pewter Nov 16, 2019, 2:27 AM

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And then Jorge comes walking up in whatever the heck his armor was

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 2:27 AM

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And how unnerving their identical appearance was, too.

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Just another boon for them on the battlefield.

remote spruce Nov 16, 2019, 2:29 AM

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Halo 5 but Blue Team wears the same armor as Chief

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 2:29 AM

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From a game design perspective I understand the decision

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And specialist gear is always cool

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But y'know

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It's a pity

deep pewter Nov 16, 2019, 2:29 AM

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I also don’t understand why female Spartans suddenly had massively different body shapes

remote spruce Nov 16, 2019, 2:30 AM

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artists

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 2:31 AM

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~~I don't mind it~~

remote spruce Nov 16, 2019, 2:33 AM

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i don't like the additions to Mark VI variants though

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I'm ok with the amount of Gen 2 variants because of the amount of IVs, but at that point in the war the amount of Spartans is way too low to justify more additions to Mark VI

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 2:35 AM

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Indeed.

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Though, MJOLNIR was always seemingly built for the future

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With the GEN 2 framework having its supposed roots in Mark VI and all

remote spruce Nov 16, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Linda should've had Mark VI Scout

deep pewter Nov 16, 2019, 2:36 AM

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I liked the flavor texts that went along with them, but they should’ve stopped there

remote spruce Nov 16, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Fred tbh i'm ok with Centurion but Mythos didn't have the H2A version which makes me : (

feral perch Nov 16, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Fred had his Halo 5 armor in the bonus terminal cinematic in H2A where he and Linda report to ONI on the UH

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so Mythos was staying consistent with that

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It’s dumb because all of Blue Team have comparatively ugly armor in H5

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Yup

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Does anyone else wanna another ODST game?

gilded mason Nov 16, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Maybe Bungie's original idea of an Elite squad game.

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 3:46 AM

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It would be cool to have a game entirely from an elite’s perspective

gilded mason Nov 16, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Ye

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 3:54 AM

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To answer the original question I'd be receptive to another ODST game

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But I would be more receptive if it worked harder to put you in the boots of a non-augmented human soldier than H3 ODST did

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A game which heavily weakens you relative to your enemies but gives you new tools and mechanics to help overcome that weakness

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A recharging stun grenade as like a get out of jail free card would be cool

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A gameplay emphasis on strategic use of heavy weapons to deal with threats that would easily out-trade you in stand up gunfight

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I think the game would basically play a lot like the SWAT gamemode - Halo, but with a very fragile you, necessitating an emphasis on tactics and quick thinking

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I think the removal of the melee feature in the form that it currently exists would behoove such a game. If a Grunt closes with you, you should drop it the efficient way. Anything else and you should be scrambling to safety. Assassinations should stay in some form, though.

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And y'know. An emphasis on friendly AI wouldn't hurt either.

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That's how you'd make a more universe-faithful ODST game anyway.

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 4:49 AM

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I think that'd be good, but you'd need friendly AI for that type of game

feral perch Nov 16, 2019, 4:50 AM

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I used to feel like The Fall of Reach was Nylund's Halo magnus opum, but Ghosts of Onyx might just be his best work.

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The emotional impact and diversity of perspectives in GoO is just really, really well executed.

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The Fall of Reach, though, is about my boi John.

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Do you think the spin-offs can get away with including more EU stuff than the main games, as it's mainly hardcore fans that get the spin-offs?

proud quail Nov 16, 2019, 11:42 AM

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Id take the megabloks game over another ODST title

polar elm Nov 16, 2019, 1:07 PM

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Why does Bungie have a bunch of random lore on their website?

carmine sleet Nov 16, 2019, 1:25 PM

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What do you mean?

violet vine Nov 16, 2019, 1:33 PM

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<information on Flood parasite morph/biology encrypted/enclosed#####>
Through a connection to Halo’s deep data cores, I ascertained that the ring was built by an ancient race of beings (referred to by the Covenant as “The Forerunners”) as a weapon of last resort against the Flood. A sizable population of Flood was in stasis on the ring, and the Covenant, either by accident or design, released the parasite. Not their most brilliant maneuver.

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Lol.

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Flood - covenant bio weapon.

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<known casualties, incurred losses, unaccounted records encrypted/enclosed#####>
Re: SPARTAN-117 – MASTER CHIEF
Spartan 117, the Master Chief, is a member of the SPARTAN-II project. He is a genetically, biologically, and technically enhanced fighting unit, standing seven feet tall and weighing half a ton in his armor. His reflexes are unmatched, his strength and endurance quite unlike any other human and his tenacity molded by a lifetime of conscripted military training. The Master Chief is proficient in all current ballistic weapons and tactics, incursion, and unarmed combat, and has extensive experience with Covenant military tech.

terse lava Nov 16, 2019, 1:51 PM

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What's with that?

wary hazel Nov 16, 2019, 1:58 PM

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I mean bungie still has se Halo stuff on their website

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They did give out an update to halo ce on PC like years ago

obsidian thistle Nov 16, 2019, 3:46 PM

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That was Halo 2 manual stuff

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More specifically the Human versions

gaunt oakBOT Nov 16, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Auto unmuted @rough belfry

polar elm Nov 16, 2019, 4:46 PM

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@carmine sleet I meant that there's some lore bits that are in Bungie's website and some on Waypoint. Why are they scattered like this? Case in point: I read through GoO only to find out from Halopedia that there are more Spartan-IIIs that had been pulled out of service and reassigned, courtesy of some message from Kurt to Mendez found only on Bungie's website.

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There's some lore exclusive to Data Drops.

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That's a lot of fragmentation if you ask me

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So how is one supposed to know where to look? Sifting through Halopedia is a spoiler fest but I haven't found other reliable ways.

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Why did the Master Chief always use an AR over any other weapon on the poster covers lol?

feral perch Nov 16, 2019, 7:26 PM

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He’s got SMGs in Halo 2

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And an M6G on CEA’s cover

carmine sleet Nov 16, 2019, 8:10 PM

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He's most commonly depicted using an AR because it's his favoured weapon

last anchor Nov 16, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Hes an automatic weapon user. To be entirely fair the AR is the most versitle of the UNSC's ordinance.

craggy aspen Nov 16, 2019, 8:41 PM

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how fast would chief be without his armor? I mean that half a ton probably mostly comes from it, and to be even able to move in it is astonishing.

humble yacht Nov 16, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Not as fast as in armor

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The armor amplifies his movements

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And his strength

last anchor Nov 16, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Hes still faster than most humans, thats for sure. Probably not Usane Bolt fast but he speedy

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Course Kellys got him beat EASY

gilded mason Nov 16, 2019, 9:01 PM

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But is he faster than an ant?

carmine sleet Nov 16, 2019, 9:01 PM

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What species of ant?

gilded mason Nov 16, 2019, 9:03 PM

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The bullet ant

tiny harness Nov 16, 2019, 9:34 PM

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I do remember seeing 80ish km/h with armor and somewhere around 50 km/h

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Actually its 100+ km/h with chief hurting himself while wearing the armor

versed helm Nov 16, 2019, 11:31 PM

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The armor doesn’t really amplify speed. Boosters don’t count

gilded mason Nov 16, 2019, 11:37 PM

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Hm? Yes it does

high pendant Nov 16, 2019, 11:37 PM

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Pretty sure it does

carmine sleet Nov 16, 2019, 11:38 PM

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It basically amplifies everything minus the user's intelligence. But the Spartans are all very smart anyway

high pendant Nov 16, 2019, 11:43 PM

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What he said

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Lol

sacred dew Nov 16, 2019, 11:53 PM

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So is it still canon that night vision goggles can see through covenant stealth fields cause that just makes every one really stupid

feral perch Nov 16, 2019, 11:54 PM

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wut

carmine sleet Nov 16, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Do you mean nightvision like what Noble had or the VISR from ODST?

gilded mason Nov 16, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Are you talking about the night-vision goggles that were heat sensitive?

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Because active camo produces heat, apparently

sacred dew Nov 16, 2019, 11:56 PM

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In the flood yes

carmine sleet Nov 16, 2019, 11:56 PM

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It's quite possible that active camo doesn't hide body heat and the active camo module would likely get warm during prolonged usage

sacred dew Nov 16, 2019, 11:59 PM

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I still find it stupid

carmine sleet Nov 16, 2019, 11:59 PM

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I don't. It grounds the technology to limitations of real world tech

feral perch Nov 17, 2019, 12:00 AM

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agreed, slip

sacred dew Nov 17, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Sooo all the unsc needed to see stealth elite was thermal goggles but they were too cheap to give then to there soldiers even Spartans?

stoic hamlet Nov 17, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Spartans have thermal/other enhanced vison optics in their helmets, and when the UNSC troops on Halo realised they were being engaged by cloaked elites they immediately knew what to do and how to deal with them.

sacred dew Nov 17, 2019, 12:05 AM

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That just makes the stealth worthless

stoic hamlet Nov 17, 2019, 12:05 AM

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It's not meant for prolonged use

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it's meant to be the opening to an attack

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or a way to escape

sacred dew Nov 17, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Makes me wonder how they didn't find the LNOS over reach if it's stealth was so garbage

stoic hamlet Nov 17, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Infantry Active Camo compared to ship cloaking is a different beast.

sacred dew Nov 17, 2019, 12:08 AM

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BUT the heat generation

stoic hamlet Nov 17, 2019, 12:08 AM

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I mean, only the ship was cloaked, but it had the spires and stuff to disperse heat maybe.

sacred dew Nov 17, 2019, 12:09 AM

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The ships the size of a island

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Maybe its Forerunner parts helped.

feral perch Nov 17, 2019, 12:10 AM

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If it makes you feel any better, rich, the Covenant easily spotted Blue Team in active canouflage in Halo: Collateral Damage

sacred dew Nov 17, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Thanks

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It was pretty funny

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Dang it

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Why

feral perch Nov 17, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Where is the source for this idea that the Long Night of Solace was "extra-Forerunner-y?"

stoic hamlet Nov 17, 2019, 12:12 AM

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That’s why SPI is so good, for reference.

It gives off no heat, and if you don’t know what to look for you won’t be able to spot it. IIRC the best way to spot it is by using the naked eye to see where a user might be.

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 12:12 AM

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If it makes you feel any better, rich, the Covenant easily spotted Blue Team in active canouflage in Halo: Collateral Damage
I liked how it was juxtaposed with the insurrectionists not seeing Blue Team in broad daylight until they uncloaked.

feral perch Nov 17, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Maybe they had cataracts

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 12:12 AM

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lol

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Where is the source for this idea that the Long Night of Solace was "extra-Forerunner-y?"
CSO

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The O means Ordained, as in "Ordained with Forerunner parts".

feral perch Nov 17, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Oh, neat.

sacred dew Nov 17, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Do we know how the brute home world looks like

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 12:17 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Doisac

sacred dew Nov 17, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Ha it looks good for a planet that was nuked to hell and back
Thanks

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 12:41 AM

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Willing to bet the reason it looks nice was due to the covenant terraforming it to help it recover

tired river Nov 17, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Did covenant weapons ever get sold post war? Like could someone walk into a surplus store and buy a plasma pistol?

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 2:11 AM

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sort of, it happened during the war too, all contraband from the UNSC's perspective

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Wonder if the Covenant ever sud send fleets out to explore outside the Orion srm

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 2:19 AM

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They did, yeah.

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Think it was also mentioned in Warfleet.

sacred dew Nov 17, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Who was ai that was narrating in mythos

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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The curator, a human ai left behind on the ark

errant sand Nov 17, 2019, 3:26 AM

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Ok so I know nothing about what you all are talking about, so where do I learn such things?

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 3:27 AM

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We're just talking a book

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Kinda like an encyclopedia

analog hatch Nov 17, 2019, 3:27 AM

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How do SPARTANs defecate?

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that's what I want to know.

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 3:27 AM

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They remove segments of their armour.

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They urinate via catheter.

analog hatch Nov 17, 2019, 3:27 AM

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oh god

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Mythos is like

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An art book/narrative

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It's really nice

errant sand Nov 17, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Cool

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Great to flip through if an element of the Halo storyline isn't making sense to you

errant sand Nov 17, 2019, 3:28 AM

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I'll look into it

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Effectively, it's the highest form of canon

errant sand Nov 17, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Awesome!

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 3:28 AM

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You can get away with ignoring bits of books you don't like

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But you can't ignore Mythos

errant sand Nov 17, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Makes sense

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Alright, I'll look for that book. Thanks!

feral perch Nov 17, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Mythos needs a fortune cookie version

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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I still love how mythos showed a view of high charity from the bridge of those ancient vessels

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@versed helmthats revealed later in it

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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What was everybody infected with by the covenant bomb thing?
Something incredibly silly.

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An element that only effects humans.

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Yep, found on a shard of alpha halo

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Also they scanned the universe for where it's found

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Heh

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Neural physics

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Too bad. Neural physics.

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Not like that

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Was made in the crater left by the autumn

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Why was there an anti-human bioweapon on alpha halo?
Sedran Private Talitha Macer points out that it may have been newly formed in the supernova-level temperatures of the ring's explosion.
¯_(ツ)_/¯

daring citrus Nov 17, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Maybe

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:32 AM

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So in other words good going chief

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:32 AM

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I think he can be excused for not knowing an exclusively human-effecting element would be formed from it. 😋

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:32 AM

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What about them

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:33 AM

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Don't worry about it. It's really stupid and no explanation will work.

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:33 AM

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Still, perhaps just letting the covenant hff handle the flood would have been bwtter

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@versed helmthe element was only made when the autumn vaporized

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:36 AM

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the element was only made when the autumn vaporized

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:37 AM

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Alien metals consumed in supernova temperatures

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:37 AM

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Don't think about it. They didn't.

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:38 AM

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My personal headcanon is that the element is some byproduct of the ring's firing system.

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Perhaps more arcane manifestation of data than actual element.

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The really weird thing about it is why it's exclusively deadly to humans, though.

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Yeah...

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:41 AM

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There's no accounting for that other than some instance of blind superbad luck.

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Because reasons

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Though humanity's presence on 04 prior to its destruction presumably was somehow responsible for it, in an incredibly contrived way.

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Though many of the Covenant species were also there.

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Dunno how or why

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But somehow humanity asked for it

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Maybe some obscure ring subsystem

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Could be to do with reclaimers

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:43 AM

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I just chalk it up to bad writing.

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Yeah

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But it still remains an in-universe factor

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So it's worth puzzling over

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Unless they just never do anything with it again

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Also worth puzzling over - UNSC weapons not being able to function without being turned on.

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Probably electronically fired ammunition, right?

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Future propellant that can only be ignited by a charge.

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The problem with that is, as-ever

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The UNSC's ammo has only ever been depicted as painfully vanilla

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:44 AM

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I know nothin' about weapons, so I can't help ya there.

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Can talk about plasma rifles fine, human weapons not so much

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:45 AM

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lol

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:47 AM

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It haunts me man

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It kinda throws everything we know about them into question

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:47 AM

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I guess only worry about it if that sorta thing shows up in another thing.

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Yeah, true.

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Oh wait it did

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Would be odd

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Renegades

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Oh.

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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As for a mention

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Someone "powers down" an assault rifle.

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Oh

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Welp. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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F-word it

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Electronically fired ammo it must be

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Thanks for helping me work through this guys

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Bad news considering the Guardians

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Apparently guardians only neutralize major power sources 🤷‍♂️

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:49 AM

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🤔

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Ask Halo 5

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So if you're on a ship

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RIP

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Only a small one

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:50 AM

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RIP Sydney

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:50 AM

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If you're a computer in a Pelican

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Or an MA5

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Carriers would be fine

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Regret's had a jungle in it

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Its own little biosphere

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Yep

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Now imagine a megacarrier

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Long as air continues to cycle, crew will be fine

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:53 AM

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When the blast wave hits the Plateau, the frigate lists to one side, then drops. That’s the very instant the prowler entered slipspace, so the footage cuts to black before the Plateau can hit the city below. If the Plateau’s engine core detonated on impact, Sydney would be nothing more than a crater right now. There must be millions dead.
RIP-aroni

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Good time to be a Queenslander

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:54 AM

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....there's better ways to get rid of spiders cortana.

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Go Maroons

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Wonder how many UNSC/UEG leaders got blasted to dust.

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Cortana: yes

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 4:57 AM

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God I suddenly want her dead

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:57 AM

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lol

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 4:57 AM

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😂

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Original Covenant: we warned you

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 4:58 AM

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i told you man
i told you about the ai

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 5:00 AM

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You know, cortana had to have access to mendicant bias' example at some point

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Never crossed her mind, " you know this whole thing feels very familiar....oh well" activates another guardian

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Genius ai my mandible

tired river Nov 17, 2019, 5:23 AM

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Pretty sure the lights on the MA5 are from the flashlight and ammo counter

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The gun would work just like any other gun except you gotta count ammo and use iron sights

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The MA37 that has an external ammo counter mounted on a rail doesn’t have lights on the gun itself

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Covenant weapons I know nothing about so my guess is those get EMPed. Except for needlers since apparently those don’t have any electronics

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 5:26 AM

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That's true, @tired river - the thing is, as evidenced in Nightfall and Renegades, the MA5 (and seemingly all UNSC weapons) need to be "powered up" to fire.

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That's what we were discussing. Not the nature of the lights.

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Though, granted, they would obviously play a function in said "powering on".

tired river Nov 17, 2019, 5:27 AM

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It’s not about the lights, it’s that the gun works even without power

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 5:28 AM

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Which it doesn't.

tired river Nov 17, 2019, 5:28 AM

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But I thought the gun worked just like an real gun

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 5:28 AM

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So did we all.

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But Nightfall and Renegades throw that into question.

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That's the point.

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In Nightfall it's particularly extreme, as a man ensures his own death by the act of powering it up.

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If he could have used it without doing so, he obviously would have.

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In Renegades, an assault rifle is powered down when it is no longer needed.

tired river Nov 17, 2019, 5:31 AM

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I always thought they would just flip the safety

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Uh-huh.

tired river Nov 17, 2019, 5:33 AM

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I checked halopedia

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When you power up the weapon, you’re just powering up the electronics that provide diagnostics such as an ammo counter and a compass

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You can use the gun without turning on the electronics as it is gas operated and air cooled

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 5:34 AM

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I'm actually a Halopedia editor who's trying to figure out if that's still true.

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That information is subject to change.

tired river Nov 17, 2019, 5:34 AM

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Oh, weird

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I didn’t watch nightfall so I don’t know for sure

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 5:35 AM

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I did, and I'm still not sure what to do.

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I think this is probably a matter of waiting for 343 clarification

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And trying to ensure that what text is currently present on the relevant pages does not mislead anyone

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 7:16 AM

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hardlight or beamz

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homing is for non-flood enemies

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ricochet is probably for flood

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 7:21 AM

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Light rifle.

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Kinda in the name.

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 7:47 AM

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/weapons/light-rifle

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It's hard light

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:03 AM

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Donk

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Are you aware that Halopedia exists

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Well when you get an answer in the channel

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You get what you get

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And if you doubt that answer

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Check Halopedia

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The scattershot fires "ionized particles"

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And the suppressor also fires hard light.

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Or "light mass"

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Which is the same thing.

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The manner by which they home in on their targets is probably similar to the manner plasma torpedoes do the same.

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Unspecified field-based remote particle manipulation

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Possibly some form of self-sustaining anomaly

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You're right. It is an odd design decision.

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:10 AM

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It's gameplay

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Presumably the "magazines" are universal power sources scavenged from destroyed Forerunner constructs.

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And one can imagine, probably have much higher capacity than they seem to.

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:11 AM

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I mean in that it was made for gameplay then the lore was slapped on afterwards

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:11 AM

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basically a battery type thing IIRC

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What did I just say

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A fair assumption.

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:12 AM

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At least the Halo 4 versions feel like they're anti Flood weapons

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:13 AM

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I can see the incineration cannon.

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The light rifle is just a standard rifle.

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The suppressor might be useful.

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Scattershot

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Oh yeah

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Binary Rifle in 4 is single shot kill

carmine sleet Nov 17, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Shotguns are good at killing things in general to be fair

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:14 AM

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It could be seen as a weapon to surgically take out big n' nasties.

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:14 AM

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5's versions are made to fight non-Flood

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Just anything big and biological and gross

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Which is weird but I guess tracking shots aren't too useful against Flood

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:15 AM

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It's not just a safe assumption, it's canonical fact

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The Halo 4/5 differences are all a matter of different modes of operation.

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Yea, the pulse grenade and splinter grenade are just different settings

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I imagine the weapon can be held differently given the way Knights hold them

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Pulse is better for pod infectors

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:19 AM

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Splinter Grenades seem to concentrate their energy output.

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Smaller AOE, higher lethality, basically.

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Similar principle.

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The Splinter configuration is more of anti-armour measure, I suppose.

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:20 AM

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EMP

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:20 AM

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With the pulse grenade being more useful for light targets.

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That too.

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:21 AM

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It is neat to see the plausibility even if it boils down to gameplay choice

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Possibly
It's all a guess but it sure feels that way

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:22 AM

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The splinter grenade would be a weapon useful against, like, pure forms.

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I guess when it comes to combat forms

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It depends on their individual quirks

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Just gameplay.

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They tend to leave residue where they pop in the games, too.

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But yeah, while destroying them seems to be comparable to the sensation or appearance of a pop (as ATN and HW1 also evoke), typically there is more left over.

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Think of them like pimples.

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:25 AM

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It's decent gameplay design and tbh that's the important part

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:25 AM

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I mean if there were just piles of ragdolling combat forms and combat form bits

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It would lag everything to death

remote spruce Nov 17, 2019, 8:27 AM

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The early lore of Carrier Forms being Grunts is confusing

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Yea but I just can't see it visually like an Elite Combat Form, except maybe the legs

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Dang now I just want Prometheans vs. Flood in-game

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:33 AM

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I think it would need some kind of intelligence.

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Like, I could see Flood forms specially engineered to control vehicles that would just look like biomass muck.

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But you couldn't just do it with raw biomass, I don't think.

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Need some of that sweet brain matter.

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HW2 is the basis for my specially engineered forms notion.

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I imagine the crew were converted.

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It's also possible that the Flood would use biomass to try and amplify or alter the capabilities of the vehicle itself

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That could be freaky

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Have the converted crew members control the vehicle, and also weird tentacles and stuff

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Harden the biomass to create additional armouring

polar elm Nov 17, 2019, 8:52 AM

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Isn't it stated in "The Voyage of Infinite Succor" that the Flood are looking to make a Slipspace jump after having infected the crew of Infinite Succor?

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:52 AM

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The Mona Lisa, too.

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Same deal.

polar elm Nov 17, 2019, 8:53 AM

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They infected the navigation crew and used their knowledge/abilities.

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 8:53 AM

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I think in those instances a form of proto-Gravemind fills the role of this hypothetical crew form.

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It's a capability gulf, really.

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There's a difference between say, operating a tank and taking control a ship's most complex systems.

polar elm Nov 17, 2019, 8:54 AM

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Fair enough

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 11:01 AM

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That said, the control mechanisms of a Scorpion or Wraith seemingly have more in common with a ship than a modern tank.

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It's likely a situation of the singular operator (or pair of operators) provide tactical oversight and general directions (suppress that target, navigate to this point) while dumb AI systems manage the bulk of the fine work

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A little like playing a video game.

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👍

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A MOBA, probably.

main rivet Nov 17, 2019, 12:10 PM

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It's possible the line is between what the Flood as an individual unit remembers from its host's capabilities, and what knowledge is known by the Flood as a whole.

versed helm Nov 17, 2019, 12:42 PM

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I think that's a strong possibility.

obsidian thistle Nov 17, 2019, 12:47 PM

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You know, I find it simply scary how once you are infected. You are essentially in a sea of souls the Gravemind can use. From then and eternity. You like cant die.

silk ridge Nov 17, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Maybe its more like cut and paste- It cuts out what it wants and disgards the rest

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Like the Covenant, imititative not innovative

main rivet Nov 17, 2019, 2:14 PM

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I dunno—the Gravemind pulls up the last memories of some of its hosts to screw with Cortana—I get the sense that it potentially can hold everything in its overall conciousness

gilded wigeon Nov 17, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Does infection immediately iniate connection to the rest of the flood and gravemind, or does the knowledge have to be "deposited" at a gravemind?

main rivet Nov 17, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Given the fact that there were multiple Graveminds in the Forerunner trilogy, I'd say that to some degree the coordinating intelligence needs to be reasonably "local".

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As in the Gravemind on Installation 05 probably couldn't control all the Flood across the galaxy at the time.

silk ridge Nov 17, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Like Xenomorph queens in Alien?

humble yacht Nov 17, 2019, 3:29 PM

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well we know for a fact that the Installation 05 gravemind couldn't control the Flood on Installation 04, since the I04 flood were still in Feral Stage

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seems like there is a max range

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however, the Flood sent to Earth were channeling the voice of the Gravemind, suggesting they were directly under its influence. Not sure how far away High Charity was during that battle, but for sure it was at least several light years.

tired river Nov 17, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Huh I always thought once you were infected it pulls memories out of your hippocampus and just kills you

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When a person is infected are they basically stuck as part of the flood even if they are killed?

stoic hamlet Nov 17, 2019, 5:20 PM

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More or less. The Flood keeps all your memories and feelings.

obsidian thistle Nov 17, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Even if you died. Your memories and feelings can come back (Regret)

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Like imagine having "died" then being yanked back.

tired river Nov 17, 2019, 5:29 PM

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That’s horrible

glad valve Nov 17, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Hey so, I just read First Strike by Eric Nylund. The part where Fred miraculously knew how to operate a Wraith tank is still a bit confusing to me. And when he found the artifact underground as well. Were there any explanations about those details?

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Oh crap are those sorta spoilers for people who haven't read?

silk ridge Nov 17, 2019, 5:52 PM

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I don't think that trilogy is canon after Halo Reach

glad valve Nov 17, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Aww really? I really liked it :/

fair hazel Nov 17, 2019, 6:02 PM

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It’s canon...

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Miraculously ?

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 6:05 PM

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In the topic of the gravemind, would a person's soul/mind, when linked to the flood stay in their body, or simply dumped into the "soul sea" of the gravemind?

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 6:06 PM

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I imagine the latter, since Regret's body got kinda vaporized.

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 6:10 PM

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I should have have clarified my bad. Would you be trapped in your body until it was rendered worthless/used up and then be transferred to the gravemind. Or taken immediately into the gravemind soul bank at the moment your body was turned into a combat form

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Ah. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Always figured it was like Jenkins, the infection form.only failing in cutting off his link to his own body

glad valve Nov 17, 2019, 6:15 PM

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I used miraculously since Fred thought to himself something to that effect as to how he was able to navigate perfectly how to drive that Wraith tank even though it's his first time being inside it, or any Covenant vehicles for that matter @fair hazel

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Wait, so that trilogy is still considered canon?

silk ridge Nov 17, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Its a bit iffy after Reach- It ruins the time line around the Battle for Reach. It is a mint trilogy

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Wait, so that trilogy is still considered canon?
Yes.

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Though the battle of Reach got kinda weird.

fair hazel Nov 17, 2019, 6:27 PM

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I think it’s simply one of those artifacts old first writing

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I’m very sure Fred has gotten in wraiths in the 27 years of fighting covenant

main rivet Nov 17, 2019, 6:28 PM

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I don't think Regret was assimilated by the Flood like how we think, since he still had a personality.

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Most other media makes it pretty clear when the Flood eat you that's it, and Jenkins is basically the exception to retaining any semblence of self.

sacred dew Nov 17, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Keyes also had some form of self and he's clearly assimilated

tired river Nov 17, 2019, 7:12 PM

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The flood kinda preserved him because they figured out he was important though

last anchor Nov 17, 2019, 7:27 PM

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I would be VERY shocked if this is the first time that a Spartan has attempted to steal Covenant technology.

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REmember, originally, humanity didnt encounter the Elites until Reach. Whereas that has soundly been retconned

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You gotta give Nylund SOME slack though, he wrote Fall of Reach hyper-fast and I think First Strike rolled out almost instantly afterwards, or at least, fairly quickly

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Though I do wonder if he'd write certain parts differently if the whole "Elites were first encountered at Reach" thing was never in his book, since that kinda changes context.

feral perch Nov 17, 2019, 8:02 PM

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An entire vessel manned primarily by Jackals is odd

stoic hamlet Nov 17, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Ehh, not really. The vessel in Contact Harvest was primarily Jackals

sour glacier Nov 17, 2019, 8:33 PM

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Has Nylund done any other halo books besides reach, flood, strike?

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 8:33 PM

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Has Nylund done any other halo books besides reach, flood, strike?```
Ghosts on Onyx

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And he didn't do the Flood

sour glacier Nov 17, 2019, 8:33 PM

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Ah yea ive already onyx

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Rip my bad

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Im currently reading envoy

obsidian thistle Nov 17, 2019, 8:38 PM

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He also did Halseys Journal.

sour glacier Nov 17, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Halseys journal?

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Whats that?

gilded mason Nov 17, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Exactly what it says

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Halsey's journal

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A physical journal you could get with the game if you paid extra

obsidian thistle Nov 17, 2019, 8:50 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Dr._Halsey's_personal_journal

Halopedia

Dr._Halsey%27s_personal_journal

Dr. Halsey's personal journal was a journal detailing the thoughts and discoveries of Doctor Catherine Halsey over a period of 42 years, between August 2510 and August 2552. The journal was classified under Double-Blind Protocol Aurora-7 and kept from declassification by Spec...

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That thing

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Still liked the halo 3 limited book over that

obsidian thistle Nov 17, 2019, 11:02 PM

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I found the Reach Limited Edition to be very worth it.

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Great book. Interesting insight into the mind of Halsey

terse lava Nov 17, 2019, 11:06 PM

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True true, seeing that was good

versed helm Nov 18, 2019, 3:28 AM

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New Rule guys

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Only buy Halo Reach

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I mean.. you can buy the bundle.

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the but main one is Reach

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Or 3.

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It is also the Main Lore

gilded mason Nov 18, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Or CE or 2.

versed helm Nov 18, 2019, 3:30 AM

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naw

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ODST is also main canon too

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never played it though

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Halo 5 never happened; Halo 1-4 are like Kingdom Hearts; ODST and Reach are the Main Canon

gilded mason Nov 18, 2019, 3:35 AM

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ODST and Reach are the Main Canon
What does that even mean?

unique rune Nov 18, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Today, on Unsolved Mysteries...

versed helm Nov 18, 2019, 4:33 AM

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Well I mean, it can certainly take some damage.

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If a Marine's chestplate (which is presumably some form of titanium nanocomposite) can sustain a burst of assault rifle fire, the "lightweight laminate plates" of SPI ought to be able to take a bit more punishment, since the suit is effectively power armour and can take some of the weight (meaning heavier plates are more viable).

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Nanocomposite being a form of particularly finely-mixed alloy (I think), and laminate being a thing composed of multiple sandwiched layers.

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And if anything's going to be a "main canon"

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Meaning a source that should overwrite any other source in relation to the goings-on of the Halo universe

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It'd be the most recent mainline game, so Halo 5

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And also probably Mythos

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It's generally not a good idea to go around and proclaim that the games/things you happen to like the most are the highest form of canon.

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Or at least, not proclaiming so objectively.

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@versed helm

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Generally speaking, the most recent sources and the sources most intended for the broadest consumption are the highest canon, with the exception of technical information which is a murky and interpretation-based playing field. So Halo 5 because it's the newest and biggest source, and Mythos because Mythos is basically intended to be an authoritative guide to the canon of the Halo narrative.

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Always found it odd how mythos claimed the young forerunner ecumene went to explore the large magellanic cloud, and only then finding evidence of thevthreatvof erasure from the vhf precursors where silentium claimed the forerunners only went there to give chase to their creators

gilded mason Nov 18, 2019, 6:16 AM

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Space is big.

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You wouldn't get a signal while in slipspace, only at the entry points.

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So you'd have to arrive near the signal.

unique rune Nov 18, 2019, 6:18 AM

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They didn’t have any way to tell where the aft end of the Dawn dropped out of slipspace

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Infinity pretty much only found it by the pure coincidence that it was drifting by the shield world they just so happened to be investigating.

gilded mason Nov 18, 2019, 6:19 AM

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The Dawn was destroyed by then, I believe.

unique rune Nov 18, 2019, 6:20 AM

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They didn’t receive the distress signal until the Dawn had been sucked into Requiem.

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The aft end of the Dawn was pretty much obliterated upon crashing, but presumably enough of it was intact to continue broadcasting.

Either that or it might have been Cortana broadcasting from Chief’s armor... been too long since I last played those early missions of 4.

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Memory is a little fuzzy on those details.

gilded mason Nov 18, 2019, 6:24 AM

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Didn't they mistake the Cryptum for a satellite to re-broadcast the distress signal or something?

unique rune Nov 18, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Having discovered Cortana's distress beacon, the UNSC Infinity was deployed to recover the Dawn's survivors. Infinity's crew, still following the beacon, attempted to find the Dawn's crash site inside the installation. However, the ship's locator signal was being faked by the Forerunner supreme commander known as the Ur-Didact, who attempted to draw the Infinity inside Requiem to enact his plan of vengeance upon humanity.

gilded mason Nov 18, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Ah

unique rune Nov 18, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Though I do recall Chief and Cortana were tricked into believing that the Cryptum was a communications array.

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And then in the process freed the Didact.

tawdry folio Nov 18, 2019, 6:44 AM

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Yeah it was shown in the Halo: Forward Unto Dawn series that the Infinity does indeed pick up Cortana's signal. However by the time they arrive, the shield world Requiem had already pulled the Forward Unto Dawn in.

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The series opens with Lasky, then a Commander, replaying Cortana's message over and over before it flips back to him as a kid at Corbulo Military Academy, where the other 98% of the series takes place.

past olive Nov 18, 2019, 10:30 AM

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it was a series as it aired however it's considered a movie now

balmy hinge Nov 18, 2019, 2:09 PM

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RIP the Rookie

versed helm Nov 18, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Killed by insurrectionists in 2554

stoic hamlet Nov 18, 2019, 3:17 PM

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He kept his promise at least

alpine scroll Nov 18, 2019, 3:25 PM

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in halo, are there multiple human governments or just one?

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after halo 3

stoic hamlet Nov 18, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Technically at least two.

One is illegitimate and not recognized, however.

alpine scroll Nov 18, 2019, 3:32 PM

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thank you.

versed helm Nov 18, 2019, 4:07 PM

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ALright ugys listen up.

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Opps wrong channel

slow crag Nov 18, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Did the gravemind survived halo 3?

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I mean is it still alive

humble yacht Nov 18, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Not the gravemind, no

slow crag Nov 18, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Hmmm

sacred dew Nov 18, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Not the avatar

silk ridge Nov 18, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Not that Gravemind any way. There's nothing to say there aren't more on other Installations @ee

sacred dew Nov 18, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Aren't the gravemind just one mind in a bunch of bodies

alpine scroll Nov 18, 2019, 4:47 PM

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arent there multiple graveminds?

slow crag Nov 18, 2019, 4:54 PM

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I think theres only 2 graveminds to ever existed

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 5:27 PM

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No, multiples existed at once, but there was a "prime" gravemind too

alpine scroll Nov 18, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Which book does he appear in?

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Silentium

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Uses captured human essences to talk to and mock the librarian

humble yacht Nov 18, 2019, 6:04 PM

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it's all the same gravemind

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even if multiple graveminds exist at once, they share the same consciousness

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Actually speaking of the gravemind, wasnt it implied that the primordial was "young" in the 2nd forerunner book

dull fox Nov 18, 2019, 6:10 PM

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I believe it said it, or maybe it's kind, had existed for hundreds of billions of years

alpine scroll Nov 18, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Is there peace with all covenant species or is it the weird we wont kill you if you don't kill us with humanity and elites across the board?

gilded mason Nov 18, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Different factions and individuals have different feelings regarding humanity or human factions.

versed helm Nov 18, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Okay, enemy UNSC forces have two Warthogs, and one Mongoose. How many Gh*st would the Covenant deploy, with or without knowledge of the ground forces of an enemy, in a small environment?

dull fox Nov 18, 2019, 7:00 PM

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the covenant would probably just glass the area without caring about the UNSC forces tbh

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 7:02 PM

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With no forerunner relics nearby, a phantom would likely just vaporize them and move on.

versed helm Nov 18, 2019, 7:08 PM

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<< >>

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Not a phantom but whatever’s

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Why not a phantom?

dull fox Nov 18, 2019, 7:36 PM

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phantoms are more used for troop transport than as actual combat vehicles

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Was thinking more it's just flying over the area and hits the vehicles as it passes by. Not a full engagement

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Maybe a squad of banshees then

silk ridge Nov 18, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Or ya know drop in a couple or a foursome of Hunters. It depends of whether its a Gauss hog or not

tiny harness Nov 18, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Banshees, because if anything the Covenant normallly contrôle the air

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*controls

stoic hamlet Nov 18, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Yeah they wouldn’t bother deploying ground troops unless there was something worth taking.

versed helm Nov 18, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Well, if you're gonna deploy troops it's not gonna be usually in a HVT area. Too much of a chance for an ambush

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The SPARTAN-III Project, designed to produce cheaper, disposable Spartan soldiers, begins in secret.

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@runic orchid

runic orchid Nov 18, 2019, 8:57 PM

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👌

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Hm?

jolly saddle Nov 18, 2019, 9:33 PM

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I’ve always wondered what happened to the Prophet of Mercy’s crown, and which prophet’s crown Yap Yap has. Does anyone know the answers to these?

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Would have to be truth's crown

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 10:34 PM

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I wonder, multiple races ended up seeing the forerunners as gods. San shyuum, sangheili, ancient primitive humans. Do you think any younger races saw advanced ancient humanity in a similar way, or in modern times seeing the Covenant as such?

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Yes but before that when humans were advanced

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Well we know ancient humans saw the librarian as such,

versed helm Nov 18, 2019, 10:50 PM

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I don't think newer civilizations know much about the ancient humans, not even us

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Ok then, how about young races who have come across the Covenant

versed helm Nov 18, 2019, 10:51 PM

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it's possible? ancient humanity was on par with the forerunner, no?

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Pardon?

versed helm Nov 18, 2019, 10:53 PM

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ancient humanity and the forerunner were pretty equal tech wise weren't they

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Almost yes

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Though humanity could not make mega project's like shield worlds, halos, etc.

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I could see primitive races looking atthe Covenant, or at least the founding races in such a nature

sacred dew Nov 18, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Like a caveman seeing a lighter

terse lava Nov 18, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Kinda

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Let's assume they can only deploy gh*st, how many would they deploy. Hmm, maybe it's to scout?

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 12:29 AM

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So why's that word filtered now?

slow crag Nov 19, 2019, 12:29 AM

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Idk

stoic hamlet Nov 19, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Huh

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It is filtered

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Really odd

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 1:01 AM

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Yep, it's banned

remote spruce Nov 19, 2019, 1:02 AM

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too spooky

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Now I'm curious as to why

past olive Nov 19, 2019, 1:07 AM

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nup

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that word is gone too

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Whats everyones fav halo novel?

past olive Nov 19, 2019, 1:07 AM

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The Fall of Reach

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Solid choice

past olive Nov 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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cause it's 1 of the only 2 I've read XD

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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What other one did u read

past olive Nov 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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The Flood

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Ah nice

past olive Nov 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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I was gonna read First Strike but I haven't the time

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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I would prob put Contact Harvest as my favorite

past olive Nov 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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well, previously didn't

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I do now

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Ghosts of Onyx, but Silent Storm is shaping up to be really good too

past olive Nov 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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I might read that

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Havent read silent storm ywt

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Gonna read the Kilo-V books next

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Ghosts of onyx was good tho

past olive Nov 19, 2019, 1:09 AM

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I want to read Ghosts of Onyx cause I'm really into the S-III stuff like Operation Torpedo

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Yea kilo 5 trilogy is what im reading next

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Im almost done with halo envoy rn

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 1:09 AM

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It’s amazing for stuff like that, love the S3 program

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Yea definitely

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Whats everyones fav halo novel?
Current order is roughly Broken Circle, Shadow of Intent, Last Light, Silent Storm, and then Oblivion.

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Gonna try to read the forerunner trilogy after Kilo-V, then New/Bad Blood and Oblivion

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Dang i havent read any of those ostral

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 1:10 AM

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I recommend 'em!

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:10 AM

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I have shadow of intent on ebook tho havent gotten around to it yet tho

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Ill def check them out

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Forerunner tril was good

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Whole different lore to learn

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Nathan ive read new blood but not bad blood yet how does it compare?

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Haven’t read it just yet, plan on it before Infinite comes out though

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Alright

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Takes place right after end of halo 5 right?

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Yes.

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Gotta admit halo envoy is meh

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I kinda dislike pretty much dislike all the characters besides the elites and spartans

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Apparently has a John/Thel cookout that takes place right after 5s ending cutscene with the two

sour glacier Nov 19, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Wait what lol

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 1:27 AM

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There's a barbeque involving everyone and then Thel and John go off to talk about stuff.

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Favorite? Broken Circle, followed by the forerunner trilogy. Would the newest ones...but t by e human parts bore me

tame crystal Nov 19, 2019, 1:56 AM

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one thing i'm confused about in relation to lore is

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do slipspace jumps take time?

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 1:56 AM

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but t by e human parts bore me
Same. I kept itching to skim past them

tame crystal Nov 19, 2019, 1:56 AM

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like did the entirety of halo 3 ODST take place before the start of Delta Halo?

sudden eagle Nov 19, 2019, 1:56 AM

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During

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Yes

sudden eagle Nov 19, 2019, 1:56 AM

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It’s right after carrier jumps to halo

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Delta halo^

tame crystal Nov 19, 2019, 1:57 AM

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cause i've seen some say that Delta Halo took place like, a week or two after the jump from New Mombasa

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 1:57 AM

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And travel to Delta Halo took a week or so

sudden eagle Nov 19, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Wait yeah so it was while they were in slip space

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 1:57 AM

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@gilded masonlikewise, that's why I am hoping for a new covenant centric book

tame crystal Nov 19, 2019, 1:57 AM

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that always confused me cause then in halo 4 slipspace took like 10 minutes

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though i suppose forerunner tech is better

sudden eagle Nov 19, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Cause more advanced tech yeah

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 1:57 AM

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likewise, that's why I am hoping for a mee covenant centric book
The Nizat and Tam power hour. 👌

sudden eagle Nov 19, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Infinity literally uses forerunner engines

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 1:58 AM

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@gilded masonwould love even a novella involving those 2

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Ye

sudden eagle Nov 19, 2019, 1:58 AM

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I like when they swap POV between unsc and covenant

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Fair enough

sudden eagle Nov 19, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Have they made anything other than the flood on the perspective of the covenant during one of the games

tame crystal Nov 19, 2019, 2:01 AM

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no fighting UNSC, no

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Not true

tame crystal Nov 19, 2019, 2:02 AM

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unless you count HW

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Hm, odd keeps censoring

tame crystal Nov 19, 2019, 2:03 AM

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yes

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it's because of the release of that new movie

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Worthless movie....

tame crystal Nov 19, 2019, 2:03 AM

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to prevent spoilers all messages with the second word of the movie title are removed

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Ok....one level in HW 2 has.you battling humans

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There

tame crystal Nov 19, 2019, 2:03 AM

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yes

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but none of the FPS games have you fighting UNSC

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Aware of that censor, but had it abbreviated the 2nd time

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 2:06 AM

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I’d love to fight some innies at some point

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Wouldn't that really just be the COD games pretty much?

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Not if we’re still Spartans, or at least ODSTs

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:08 AM

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Not seeing much of a difference if odst

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Halo 3: ODST still had them feeling relatively unique, I’m sure that could be brought forward

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Halo does have a very distinct style compared to a lot of other shooters.

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A unique feel, primarily due to the reticles I think.

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As long as it retains that, CoD comparisons are pretty void to me.

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Agreed

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Though Halo 5 definitely began to cross some boundaries.

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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I’d say 4 was worse about that

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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As for the las6 part, I met the whole "human vs human" in space

past olive Nov 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Halo 5 feels more Halo than 4

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4 had too many cod elements

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:13 AM

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They both became fast paced compared to their predecessors

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Compared to 3 and Reach, CE/2 were relatively fast by comparison

past olive Nov 19, 2019, 2:14 AM

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they are very fast

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 2:14 AM

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But not as much as 4 and 5, anyway that's getting off lore topic anyway

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 2:15 AM

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I think the thing I despise most about 4 and 5 is hit markers

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I am so tired of hit markers

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The impact of Halo CE's firearms is loads better than that in any other Halo.

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Recapture that and you can do away with them.

stoic hamlet Nov 19, 2019, 3:58 AM

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I really want a “Clean House” or “Wolf’s Den” Mission where you play as a member of a Spartan III Fireteam.

Actually no, an ONI agent attache to a Spartan III fireteam.

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Doubt an oni agent would be with 3s

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Really?

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ONI agents pop up wherever they're needed, and tend to work with the best in the UNSC.

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I've no clue why you'd be doubtful.

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Would be a death sentence

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3s almost always died

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 4:21 AM

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That's more a factor of the mission than the personnel.

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If a job needs doing and SIIIs are the best on hand, then they'll do that job.

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Doesn't have to be a suicide mission.

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Especially not if we're talking Cat-2s.

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I mean, Eternal's idea could basically be a game about Lopis and Ferrets.

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 4:24 AM

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I am afraid I am not familiar with those. Cat-2, lupus, ferrets?

stoic hamlet Nov 19, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Well, Alpha has a good 9 months of successful missions with seemingly no casualties, and Beta had a good run of things as well.

Extrapolating and inferences from the Spartan Field Guide; the full Companies weren’t always together, so there’s nothing expressly dictating we’d need hundreds of III’s at once.

Maybe there’s a prelude mission on Mamore before the real fighting begins, or something.

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 4:47 AM

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Hm

sacred dew Nov 19, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Kat from reach is a cat 2 I think and ferrets are the Spartan 3s that Fred leads in Last lights and retribution

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 4:53 AM

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I understand Cat-2s to be Spartan 3's issued with MJOLNIR

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That's the way the term is thrown about

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And yeah

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Read Last Light if you want to know about Lopis and the Ferrets

stoic hamlet Nov 19, 2019, 4:55 AM

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CAT-2 isn’t really a special thing anymore, it only refers to III’s outside the main companies but it’s no longer used because IIRC 343 don’t like it.

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And I agree with them, the term is impossible to nail down.

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Where does the term ferret originate? Ghosts of Onyx or Evolutions?

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Last Light.

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Huh, I swear I’ve seen it in a book

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Last Light is a book. 😋

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 5:11 AM

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I haven’t read last light

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Heard it's a good book

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Yes.

terse lava Nov 19, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Interesting

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:22 AM

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One of my favourites.

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Definitely up there with Contact Harvest, Silent Storm and Oblivion

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By my reckoning

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 5:25 AM

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I heard mixed things about Oblivion

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Covenant parts are awesome.

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The new group introduced on the human side of the story...I didn't really care for.

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 5:26 AM

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I’m loving the covenant chapters in Silent Storm, so I’m sure they are

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Oh hey, Last Light is Troy Denning too

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:27 AM

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Ye

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:30 AM

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The complaints from Oblivion are, in my eyes, made by people who have presumed a little too much about Blue Team in the past

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And aren't content to have them fleshed out in a slightly more personal way that diverges from impressions they've held for so long, impressions based off relatively scant anecdotes of behaviour.

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Granted, it is a little more slow paced than Silent Storm.

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:34 AM

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Some complaints, ya mean?

lunar condor Nov 19, 2019, 5:34 AM

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I didnt like oblivion as much as i liked silent storm and for me it had mostly to do with the setting really once they completed the "mission" and the book ended i was kinda like "thats it?"

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Still sounds good to me, what’s everyone’s issues with the Kilo V trilogy?

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Did you say a word that is another term for "spirit" or "phantom" that refers to a ground vehicle?

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:35 AM

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No

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Christ

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How does that even happen

lunar condor Nov 19, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Cant even name some spartans here lmao

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:36 AM

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what’s everyone’s issues with the Kilo V trilogy?
A buncha stuff.

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:36 AM

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S-087.

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A complaint I have heard was that Fred's jokey attitude in Oblivion clashes with past versions of S-087

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Wait. You can't say that name?

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Who was, supposedly, Blue Team's jokester.

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I find that to be a little ridiculous

lunar condor Nov 19, 2019, 5:36 AM

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ONI is on to us 😂

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Redacting our statements on the fly

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Kellogg

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:37 AM

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087 is perhaps notably friendly

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A little more light-spirited

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But she's never been one to crack gags left, right and centre

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She acts basically as you'd expect her to.

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In Oblivion, I mean.

lunar condor Nov 19, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Tbh its weird when people want books with spartans in them and complain when spartans have more character to them

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Like cant really write a book like a video game where the main character says 5 cool one liners through 12 hours

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:38 AM

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I guess the biggest oddity is Linda not using contractions when she speaks?

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Which isn't something that's been part of any other portrayal of her.

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Still, didn't take away from the awesomeness of her philosophizing.

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Whatever, I'm beating a straw man here.

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:39 AM

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lol

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:41 AM

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Anyway it's cool

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And it has probably one of the best Master Chief moments ever

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I don't wanna spoil it

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But when things really start kicking off plot-wise in Oblivion

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There is a section where you read it

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And just go

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"That is 10000% Master Chief."

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It hearkens back to some of the earliest mannerisms we see of his in CE.

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 5:45 AM

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So could I get some examples of the problems with Kilo V? Gonna head to Glasslands soon and I really liked the story Traviss wrote for Evolutions

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Makes Elites out to be idiots who can't even build a barn without consulting "ancient records", talking about how they're only warriors without any engineers, farmers, etc. Has all the Huragok somehow vanish outta nowhere. Has a very silly ONI plot that kinda only works if Sanghelios is the only world with Sangheili on it. Mendez has his views of Halsey changed and says falsehoods (Possibly because of Traviss' misconceptions?) about the SIIIs to try to insult her. Lucy is suddenly not mute after smashing her fist into Halsey, with Halsey only sufferening a nosebleed for it. Parangosky somehow didn't know about the clones...somehow, and is pissed at Halsey for it, even though she previously criticized Halsey for being too much of a bleeding-heart. Other stuff I can't remember right now.

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:52 AM

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The barn argument is one I can debunk.

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It's something that has snowballed out-of-control

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And if you go back and actually read it

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Freeing your mind of any bias

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It's really not a bad metaphor for the state of the Sangheili following the Schism, and I think the scenario is a plausible one (especially given Jul's mentality).

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Uh, how many each of covenant that a Type-25 dropship would drop?

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Like even as the bugger's wife is trying to get accustomed to running the keep without support from the Covenant, he's off trying to wipe out the human race.

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If most Sangheili are like him

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It makes sense that a wife would turn to ancient records and re-learn how to build a barn

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Eh. Re-reading it, it still looks silly.

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Keeping in mind that barns are meant to be solid structures that last a very long time

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And serve specific purposes.

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I now it can hold 30, but what are the numbers of each covenant in that thirty?

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Though that page did remind me of another thing

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Traviss tried to say Sangheili are bad at swimming

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:55 AM

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I can see them being comparatively worse.

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Denser.

gilded mason Nov 19, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Nah, Grim confirmed they're good.

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:56 AM

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But in relation to what

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Like humans might be brilliant swimmers

deep pewter Nov 19, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Sounds like it runs a little loose with the lore, which is kinda disappointing but hopefully I’ll still enjoy it

versed helm Nov 19, 2019, 5:56 AM

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It really depends.

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I recently listened to Glasslands to refresh my memory

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And I enjoyed it thoroughly