you mean a remnant right?
Oh you.
#lore-and-universe
gilded mason
stable schooner
Rip Ado’Ulamee. I can’t see the show becoming more popular then the games though so I doubt this will become the main vision of lore for people.
versed helm
Remember when people were annoyed by Japanese architecture in Halo Legends?
This one remembers.
feral perch
That’s not nearly so bad as... this
versed helm
While this seems to be an elseworld, hope it doesn’t mean there’s parallel and alternate universes
Oh I know, that artistic liberty is tame by comparison.
gilded mason
Though that one did help give people misconceptions about Elites.
versed helm
Only want there to be 1 single Universe
feral perch
Sane
versed helm
I can't wait for this show to set the precedent for time travel and the multiverse theory.
terse lava
@gilded masonbut...but that's outright fanfic
feral perch
and same
obsidian thistle
Well atm. No source has stated its non-canon. It "can" be canon atm. The events and character lore isnt the issue atm. Its only visuals thats are the issue atm.
That said the character lore and events are odd. But they "can" work
feral perch
No, not here, not in Halo. Please, no multiverse
terse lava
Let's not forget, thos now implies the universe forerunners consume may get life in them
versed helm
@obsidian thistle hope they just come out and say “yeah, this isn’t really canon”
stable schooner
I agree this needs to be Noncanon
versed helm
Is the whole Miranda being raised by the Covenant (interesting the Prophets would allow this) legit or...
humble yacht
It’s not Miranda who is raised by covies
gilded mason
Miranda's a doctor, and another human character was raised by the Covenant.
humble yacht
It’s a new character
tawdry galleon
I just read about the casting...WTF 😩
terse lava
HOW?!
stoic hamlet
Still absurd though......
versed helm
Ah, fair enough. Still odd the Prophets would allow it.
stoic hamlet
That’s the thing. They wouldn’t
humble yacht
Secret reclaimer under truth’s control could work
tawdry galleon
I'm just saying...if you're going to make a show about Halo...make it right. I had such high hopes...now it looks like they're doing their own thing...ugh.
versed helm
'Well, we were going to genocide the entirety of this putrid, vile species, but lets adopt one or two while we're at it'
With the Covenant allowing a human in to a certain degree makes me more sure this isn’t gonna really be part of the canon
humble yacht
Remember the high prophets knew the truth about humanity
stoic hamlet
“We ate your family in front of you, but it’s water under the bridge, now come live with us.”
terse lava
That only works if covenant soldier showed mercy to a human
terse lava
True
humble yacht
Access to forerunner installations that require a reclaimer
terse lava
But...still...this sounds like its ripped out of fan fics I read when I was younger
versed helm
The Prophets adopt a human kid to access Forerunner sites and all of the Hunters are like 'welp, we're out of a job lads'
stoic hamlet
I can link you
terse lava
Would rather not
Just....ugh
I..I could go along with the idea had any game or lore hinted at such a thing properly
sacred dew
Just keep this stuff away from infinite please
stoic hamlet
Just keep this away from Halo
terse lava
@sacred dewjust watch, covie kid will be in it
versed helm
Hopefully the show has nothing to do with infinite, I think the response to the whole 'here's a chart of multimedia to understand H5's story' left an impression with 343. Or I hope, at least.
I really hope Infinite is self contained.
terse lava
You know, thay reaper joke I made awhile back for "hyper lethal l" sounds like reality
versed helm
With the idea that some characters and casting will be kinda similar to what was said about the visuals and Legends, egh
Pretty different when 1 is handrawn animation that’s meant to be stylized, while the other is a live action TV series meant to properly bring the franchise to TV
terse lava
Yea
sacred dew
Well the did say they would change character ethics to make them fit better
We should have saw this coming
versed helm
'make them fit better' wth does that mean
humble yacht
I think the show runners are just less concerned with looks than y’all
stable schooner
Or it’s the opposite 🤔
terse lava
Character ethics?
humble yacht
They probably didn’t think Keyes’ defining trait is being white
versed helm
How do people even still have the energy to have discussions revolving ethnicity
humble yacht
It will always be there
tawdry galleon
From Showtime: "And they are there both as a resource to tell us stuff we don't know and also to make sure we're not violating anything big in the canon. So we're doing this with total confidence that the fans are going to embrace what we're doing."
Proceeds to make the Keyes' family black and make a human Covenant person
versed helm
And Halo's visuals have never really been consistent. I mean, I accept that there's a difference between a human being and an assault rifle, but if you strip ethnicity out it really does come down to that.
sacred dew
But this would be like revealing masterchief being African American dispite everything saying otherwise
terse lava
Embrace huh?
versed helm
Yeah but richard
The clever argument is
You shouldn't care
I mean I'm not naïve enough to believe anyone will accept that
But I am tired of the grey area
I think some of us are asking 'why' and all we're getting is 'why not'. We're still wondering 'why'.
sacred dew
So I shouldn't care about the franchise I like
Okay
versed helm
richard
stable schooner
That’s weak Looters. Johnson being White Would cause the Same Storm. Theirs no reason to alter the characters.
deep pewter
The why is most likely the actors are a good fit
feral perch
Hm. A white Johnson. Who would play him?
deep pewter
Like I really doubt they casted those people because of their race
copper wigeon
If he still gives the one liners I would
feral perch
lol
versed helm
What I am a little tired of
Is production companies being so colossally stupid
Trying to turn everything into some kind of statement and ruining the experience for everyone, even people who agree with what they're trying to say
Because the thing those people like gets turned into a battleground
I mean c'mon
tawdry galleon
“We’re not going to violate anything that’s in the canon.” lol still think making a human character who's part of the Covenant kinda violates canon already. I know they'll make some stupid excuse like "she's a pet" or something but still come on...
versed helm
They know the kinds of reactions this stuff elicits
They know and they still do it
I mean I guess it's comforting to know they're not 100% profit-driven
Because it's either that
Or they lack the intelligence quotient to have graduated primary school
sacred dew
Dark fate is a good example
versed helm
You know scripts get greenlit and denied based on content featuring social commentary right?
Or at least they are 'easier to sell' if they feature it. Chris Stuckman mentioned it in one of his more recent reviews.
feral perch
Sad.
terse lava
@tawdry galleon"unggoy, take forward position, have the lekgolo guard our rear. As for lori...have her open that forerunner door"
stoic hamlet
In better TV news, Witcher and Mando look great
versed helm
It is unfaithful to the universe not to portray significant quantities of both men and women and all ethnicities
And you can't argue with that
That's Halo
Halo's woke
But this is just provocative
And useless
deep pewter
Eh, this community never would’ve been happy anyway
feral perch
Halo isn’t woke
humble yacht
There’s no point in trying to convince anyone of anything.
versed helm
Well my woke is just a realistic portrayal of humanity's likely future.
copper wigeon
realistic enough
humble yacht
Just keep it constructive
stoic hamlet
It can be woke
tawdry galleon
lol. Well TBH I don't care about the news. I'm just excited that this dang Halo TV show is finally beginning production. They announced this thing back in 2013 and until recent years we've heard nothing of it. So it's good to know at least they've started it 🙂
copper wigeon
Me too
stoic hamlet
But not gratuitous or up front
stable schooner
I’d argue Doctor Miranda is less Woke then naval commander Miranda and a downgrade
humble yacht
She’s still a commander tho?
feral perch
That’s what Gene Roddenberry thought, Looters
versed helm
inb4 the Insurrectionists are used as a modern day political allegory and the Covies are barely featured due to budget constraints.
I don't know who that is
Or how it applies
feral perch
you disappoint me
gilded mason
@stable schooner
Dr. Miranda Keyes, a brilliant UNSC Commander who is dedicated to understanding the technology, language and culture of the Covenant
humble yacht
Yep
feral perch
Star Trek’s creator, Loot
humble yacht
Still a cmndr
terse lava
Well.....at least the covenant and sangheili are safe.....right?
copper wigeon
We will have to see how they implement these characters to truly pass judgement.
gilded mason
Well.....at least the covenant and sangheili are safe.....right?
I have doubts.
tawdry galleon
Well hopefully we get some more clarity as to what exactly is going on when it gets into development.
stable schooner
Alright that’s good at least then
fair hazel
she became a commander in 2550
humble yacht
Are the covies “safe”? They already changed and people hate it
sacred dew
Iso she's a doctor and a commander what
versed helm
True, we can't say anything for sure until the show his released.
fair hazel
Lieutenant commander
versed helm
@feral perch I just figure if humanity's gonna make it off this rock we need to stop thinking dumb stuff
Wish 343 would come out and say either “hey, the show isn’t canon at all”’or “visual changes and inconsistencies are artistic license, the stuff seen in the games is still the canon”
tawdry galleon
I'll judge when I see a full trailer.
copper wigeon
^^
versed helm
I'm just not getting my hopes up, since I've been forced to make apathy my standard form of being.
terse lava
@humble yachtyea but makingbthem something utterly alien...ignore the pun
humble yacht
They are alien
versed helm
I think it's important to keep everything in perspective
We've not gotten much information besides one kinda addled bit of casting info
We've not seen a trailer
If it's good, I'll watch it, if it isn't, whatever. Another franchise adaptation to throw into the pyre.
humble yacht
Also it’s not like this casting is “utterly alien”
fair hazel
what we've seen is cause enough for concern
tawdry galleon
Plus when you think about it, unless they pulled an ME Andromeda and didn't start production till like 6 months ago, I think the series has been planned out fully. Like I said, it was announced back in 2013 and we didn't hear anything about it really till a few years ago. Is Spielberg still producing or is he out of the picture entirely?
versed helm
Say that
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
This is wild
fair hazel
I'm a halo fan.. not a machine
humble yacht
Mods can not like something
copper wigeon
What article is everyone looking at for this information?
fair hazel
or am i? [a machine]
humble yacht
They just have to be constructive like everyone else
tawdry galleon
It's various articles @copper wigeon
terse lava
Beep beep bo bop
gilded mason
sacred dew
Dark fate showed little see how good that turned out
versed helm
I figure if they're making Keyes a black man
copper wigeon
Thanks
versed helm
At least they had the sense to make Miranda mixed
terse lava
So that guy will be keyes?
versed helm
Would've been odd
I mean facially I think there's some resemblance not even gonna lie
I mean except for the obvious
sacred dew
He looks more like Jacob from mass effect
humble yacht
Shave, for sure
tawdry galleon
@versed helm he needs to look more blocky 😄
humble yacht
Get a crew cut
versed helm
That is true
copper wigeon
If he's a good actor I don't see why not
terse lava
Hm
copper wigeon
A crew cut on that dude it might work if he at least talks like him
feral perch
If he’s a good actor then great, I’m open to a different interpret
terse lava
Yea I guess, if he does a good keyes
feral perch
Just don’t say this overwrites book and game canon
terse lava
Agreed
feral perch
Don’t ever, ever say that
tawdry galleon
Agreed? LOL JK
copper wigeon
With bungie it was always the games over the other material, not sure about 343
versed helm
idk, television is seen by many as the most legitimate form of media.
stable schooner
As long as he isn’t written like a baboon that gets dominated by Halsey it’s fine the Covenant Orphan is way worst imo
feral perch
Lol
tawdry galleon
Covenant orphan is what really upsets me tbh
terse lava
Yea
tawdry galleon
"We're staying true to canon - look at this human orphan in the Covenant!"
copper wigeon
Hopefully they have good writers, some of these things might work
feral perch
The Covenant orphan was written by somebody high on ketamine
tawdry galleon
Hopefully she speaks Wort Wort well enough
feral perch
If she only ever says “Wort,” all is forgiven
copper wigeon
the covenant orphan thing makes it seem like forerunner tech will come into play in the show, that's the only reason I would see them "needing" that character
versed helm
We need a scene where she's sleeping and says 'why do I dream in English?'
deep pewter
Just depends on how it’s handled, is she actually a part of the covenant?
tawdry galleon
My guess is a slave or pet tbh
terse lava
Major: now little one, what do we say?
Girl: for the great journey?
Major: excellent
tawdry galleon
That's all that makes sense - there's some reason why the Covies would have to spare this chick for something
stable schooner
Human that hates Humans just what we needed to save that Budget guys
terse lava
Maybe we will be lucky and its played for laughs?
tawdry galleon
^Maybe the chick's parents were Innies?
versed helm
Like I say, I'm guessing it'll be Innies for the most part for that very reason.
copper wigeon
lots of elites always questioned why the humans were not invited into the covenant, there is probably some high ranked Elite that took her in to prove some kind of point
feral perch
He would be killed
gilded mason
Eh, Truth would nip that in the bud.
feral perch
By Silent Shadow or someone
stable schooner
Yeah he’d be dead
copper wigeon
of course, if they found out,
stable schooner
This is Sesa level Hersey at least
versed helm
I think you guys may have already fallen prey to certain critical assumptions about the context surrounding the Makee chick
We know virtually nothing
tawdry galleon
LITTLE OFF-TOPIC QUESTION: What do you think the story will revolve around, particularly? I always figured it'd be about the Battle of Installation 04 or lead-up to it. What do you guys think will be the focus of the show? An event from or preceding the games, or something entirely new?
tawdry galleon
With Jacob Keyes it might have something to do with events around CE
versed helm
It's probably just some low-level dudes finding a conscience and taking care of a child on a glassed world from an outpost
Or something like that
Here have some food
Remember you're from an evil race
tawdry galleon
I always thought it would be cool to base the first season on H:CE. That way, everyone but the Chief, Johnson, and like 2 other characters die 😄
versed helm
She comes to rely on them, trust them and identify with them
Like I say, I imagine it'll be new Marine characters fighting against insurrectionists, with occasional cutaways to Covenant politics, before the Covies invade for like, the last two or three episodes to conserve budget.
Chief and other Spartans will probably be used sparingly for the same reason.
Then when Chief and Spartans rock up they try to save her and she becomes a thorn in their side
humble yacht
I think it’s just as likely or more that the high prophets would secretly abduct a reclaimer to have under their control
The prophets know humans are inheritors of the forerunners
deep pewter
Yeah I’m really not seeing the issue with the covenant orphan
versed helm
If they were gonna do that it'd be more than one
tawdry galleon
I'm actually wondering if they'll have anyone to voice Covie characters like Thel or Truth
versed helm
Would’ve been cool if they were new characters, that’s fine
But if they were gonna have established characters then they should’ve cast as close as possible
Makes me wish the whole cast was all new characters
versed helm
Yeah, of course
humble yacht
Maybe she popped up as positive
humble yacht
Does it matter who she is?
versed helm
It just seems random
humble yacht
It could be anyone
versed helm
Like, the Covenant is frequently in direct contact with military personnel
But they go for a civilian child who they otherwise wouldn't give the time of day?
The whole cast should have been new characters, set in one of the many battles we haven't seen, then their creativity could be less restrained.
But the pencil pushers are like "Gotta have Chief, gotta have the Keyes', gotta cash in those 'member berries'"
It just seems random
deep pewter
The community*
versed helm
Yeah and that's the other thing
Clearly they've exchanged Blue Team for other Spartans
stoic hamlet
That’s not a problem
versed helm
Cuz they didn't want the casting to be slave to what we canonically expect
deep pewter
There’s a very vocal part of this community that considers Halo to stop and start at John
versed helm
But they couldn't do that for Keyes?
stoic hamlet
It’s actually the only thing that is pretty okay and fits with the canon
versed helm
Indeed
stoic hamlet
And those people are, no offence to them, morons @deep pewter
versed helm
I mean, 'the community' is a lot of people with disparaging opinions, personally I never wanted the show to be related to pre-existing events for the Halo 5 reason I brought up earlier.
hushed badger
I wanted the show to be a Band of Brothers/The Pacific reskin.
feral perch
Eternal you obviously do mean offense
hushed badger
Just a random squad of average marines going through the war.
feral perch
Why apologize for it?
stoic hamlet
Well, I suppose I do
versed helm
I KNOW RIGHT
versed helm
No they're not
feral perch
Either speak up or shut up lol
versed helm
Who stick their toes in places they don't belong
stoic hamlet
That I can agree with
versed helm
And act entitled about things they have a scant connection with
stoic hamlet
Most of us can I think
Yep
If they actually cared, they’d know Halo has never been about John, the best stories have nothing to do with him.
feral perch
My homie Jerome should get his own spinoff game with Isabel...
versed helm
Man this whole debacle has really put me into a nerdrage mood
stoic hamlet
Same
feral perch
Nerdrotic
versed helm
Where's Distant, my Halo lifecoach, when I actually need him
stable schooner
Nah Jerome is lame I’d honestly rather it be Douglas.
deep pewter
Kurt spin-off when
hushed badger
What's so special about Douglas? He's just a dude with a deeper voice than Jerome.
Jerome's cooler.
gilded mason
Where's my Henry Lamb 12 season epic.
versed helm
What sucks is look how good Mandalorian and Witcher look. Imagine if we got a canon Halo TV series, would be amazing. As is, I’m waiting for the announcement from 343 that this show isn’t canon but it’s own little thing
Gib Alice tho
It's about time there was a female SII protagonist
deep pewter
We don’t even have a trailer, it’s way too early to say this doesn’t look good
feral perch
Just give us Red Team: The Series
stable schooner
What is Jerome but a worst John. Douglas at least likes seeing things blow up and got in a fight with Forge
deep pewter
I remember when people were flipping out over the make up test for Witcher
feral perch
Also Looters, Linda?
stoic hamlet
Naomi @versed helm
stoic hamlet
Kelly as well to an extent
versed helm
@stoic hamlet Correct
feral perch
Sure
versed helm
Did anyone catch Denning planting the seeds of John x Kelly in Oblivion
Cheeky bugger
gilded mason
Yup
versed helm
He's trying to work the system from the inside
Imagine wanting Chief and Kelly when Chief and Cortana is the actual OTP /s
Imagine being that wrong
If it isn't John and another SII
It's nothing
stable schooner
Boo boo get that shipping out of here
feral perch
YOU NOTICED it too
stoic hamlet
John x Linda OTP
gilded mason
John x Fred
stoic hamlet
Fight me
versed helm
Shoulda been John x Linda
John x Arbiter don't even
But I can settle for John x Kelly
Kelly was there from the start
gilded mason
John x Arbiter don't even
Arbiter is for Rtas.
versed helm
Nah, Arby has to actually talk to Rtas, Chief gets him on a metaphysical level. That's why they barely communicate.
Truest OTP is John and his childhood paramour who was a Marine in New Mombasa in 2552
gilded mason
lol
feral perch
No, Fred x Linda
carmine sleet
Linda X Kelly anyone?
versed helm
HEATHEN
feral perch
actually no
stoic hamlet
That I can agree with yes.
versed helm
Linda x Cryo Pod tbh.
stoic hamlet
Gib
gilded mason
Linda x Plasma Glob
feral perch
I agree wif dis
versed helm
I'm glad to see things have spiralled.
Need to fire the nearest Installation, cleanse the heresy of this channel.
carmine sleet
It's not that bad
stoic hamlet
We’ve done way worse
feral perch
it is pretty bad
stoic hamlet
Anyways
feral perch
But yeah, clearly Veta x Fred
stoic hamlet
Olivia can double up with Ash and Mark.
.....wait no.
feral perch
Also Naomi x Val?!
versed helm
BuT sHe DeSeRvEs HaPpInEsS
gilded mason
Val
Nooooope
stoic hamlet
She does
stoic hamlet
Naomi x Osman
feral perch
Why, Ossy?
gilded mason
Vaz is a really disgusting person.
versed helm
In the Glasslands audiobook
feral perch
because...?
stoic hamlet
Wut
versed helm
And it worked really well
feral perch
you need cleansing. Ventral cleansing
versed helm
Ventral cleansing is another phrase for STD treatment in the Halo universe
feral perch
please no
feral perch
Get woke go broke
versed helm
I mean if you were in the UNSC and you had an STD you'd want to get that sorted out
feral perch
Everybody is a clone
versed helm
'We cured cancer in the 21st century', I believe that was from 'Midnight on the Heart of Midlothian'
Because every time you go into cryo you're gonna get weird looks
It's not a cure so much as really early detection
And balla surgery
Now with nanobots thanks to Renegades
stoic hamlet
Yey nanobots
versed helm
Or nanites or whatever
Doctor...what will the procedure involve...?
Nanomachines, son
stoic hamlet
Almost as good as neural physics
feral perch
They used to call me Prophet...
versed helm
I always read Nanomachines, son in Keyes' voice for some reason
And I'm familiar with Rising/Revengeance too
eh, I could see it.
So I should read it in that voice
feral perch
Huh
versed helm
Wait Rising and Revengeance are the same thing right
That always confuses me
Hm
The one with the cyborg ninja Raiden
As far as I am aware there is only one cyborg ninja Raiden game
Aye, 'Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance'. Makes you think they were going for a series.
gilded mason
Wait Rising and Revengeance are the same thing right
Yup. Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
versed helm
Thanks
gilded mason
Ah, I was too slow
gilded mason
Aw, thank ya.
versed helm
Wouldn't mind another MGR, but Platinum has their hands full and I doubt Konami would go for it.
feral perch
Looters, you are European, yes?
stoic hamlet
he’s Aussie
feral perch
Oh, a twist
feral perch
Just curious. Some of the terminology you use hinted at it
feral perch
Primary school recently, and some other terms that I don’t quite recall now
feral perch
I haven’t noticed extra u’s in your words though
versed helm
I sorta switch in and out
I usually say armour
But I'm also accustomed to wiki editing in-line with American norms
I definitely type colour like 100% of the time though
feral perch
Aah, I see
wintry coral
stable schooner
I type Armour and Color but that’s cause I see Armour on a lot of places I browse.
deft gust
For the spartan 4 project Do the nominated marines still have to go through the augmentation process to become a Spartan?
gilded mason
Yes. They have to be augmented.
deft gust
So same as the Spartan 2s but not as bad then
Like how near half or over of the candidates for the Spartan 2 augmentation basically died or became disabled. I take it the augmentation for the Spartan 4 project is more safe or successful if you will
gilded mason
Yes. It's much safer.
left portal
100% Safe.
However the 4's require booster shots to keep their augmentations up to spec.
gilded mason
Yup. Otherwise their bodies go out of whack.
terse lava
Kind kind a step backwatds
left portal
I mean, it stops you requiring children.
deft gust
I love how dr halsey basically classes the new Spartans as well not being Spartans lol
gilded mason
Concessions you gotta make for use with adults and those without specific genes.
deft gust
So to be a Spartan now you have to be hand selected or you can enrol yourself then depending on passing or failing you get through
deep pewter
That would be the logical next step of the spartan program
deft gust
For some reason I kinda prefer the old school method
ivory path
So uhh is the tv series gunna be canon?
feral perch
Unknown
deft gust
Is that still happening then?
ivory path
Yeah and the characters have been changed a bit which is gunna confuse things.
deft gust
I'm always worried when I hear about live action halo projects.
The halo movie we never got
Nightfall was cool.
Forward unto dawn was alright.
And then the announcement of a halo tv show which was mentioned back before halo 4 came out and yet we still are waiting
versed helm
Forward unto dawn imo was better than nightfall
deft gust
I watched them both once but I remember nightfall more then fud
terse lava
Just waiting for halo legends 2
versed helm
^^
deft gust
I hope 343 expand on all things halo but dont drift away from chief so much.
A arbiter based game taking place after 3 would be great.
versed helm
i don't think we'll ever get a sangheili based weapon
deft gust
Even bringing back ODSTs would be cool too, miss those guys
gilded mason
Halo will benefit from a variety of different player characters.
versed helm
Except for an energy sword?
Yeah, that is true.
I mean I am a Chief fanatic
I just want to be absolutely clear on that front
His voice and his lines are perfectly chosen, always, and his arc in the books is badass
But variety is the spice of gaming
deep pewter
I wish they would move away from John completely, he weighs the series down
deft gust
Lol yeah looters like my friend said after halo 5 it ain't a halo game if there ain't no chief. By that saying what he means is in the halo saga so 1 - 5 if chief ain't in it or is only in it for 3 missions dont call it halo 5.
gilded mason
I wish they would move away from John completely, he weighs the series down
I feel the same. Also not a fan of all the hero-worship of him.
stable schooner
When other Spartans Fly down with a bomb and blow up a CAS on screen it will die down lol
deft gust
No way. John is great the message in halo 4 was so good. Yeah hes old but hes still good if not still better
gilded mason
other Spartans
ₐₐₐₐₐₐₐ
versed helm
if they were to move on, it would remind me of an avengers type thing with iron man, you know?
deft gust
^ feel that
Out of all the halo games the ones I struggle with are halo wars. I prefer to be fps in your face shooting
versed helm
i love hw
gilded mason
RTS' tend to be too impersonal for me.
versed helm
I love red team
stable schooner
I can’t handle all the npcs using only 1 weapon but I enjoyed both Wars As RTS though Their no Battle for Middle Earth.
Rip Elites in Halo Wars Though
versed helm
I feel Jerome and Isabel may be implemented into future halo games
but that's just me
but also can make sense because of how young Red Team technically is
@gilded mason I mean, you may not be a fan of Chief hero-worship
I mean Chief was kinda my childhood role-model
And in-universe he saved everyone
gilded mason
With a lot of help.
versed helm
With some help.
gilded mason
Eh. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
I mean yeah, events generally conspired around him, and a lot of it was because of the Covenant's own instability.
But he did drive the nail into the coffin.
Repeatedly.
i don't like how they praise him so much, but i can see where some praise is given
But where I do draw the line is notions like
"Palmer should've been more respectful of him"
That's not how soldiers work
Or ODSTs
But whatever
sacred dew
Didn't Oni try to turn the people against him or something
stable schooner
I mean you can’t lie Chief did drop a bomb right into a Covenant carrier and punched a High Prophet to death but I mean he didn’t single handily save Humanity of course in 1-3.
sacred dew
More like he's the face of humanity if he wasn't there they would all be dead
feral perch
Heh, the way he punched Regret should be totally canon
gaunt oakBOT
gilded mason
Huh. You got muted?
humble yacht
Did you edit a message with a tag in it?
versed helm
I guess for saying Hunt the Spicy Meatball
I don't believe so
Uhh
No
But I called Hunt the Truth Hunt the Spicy Meatball, and suggested that maybe the reason why I'm kinda fine with most of Halo 5's story is that I've never listened to it
And that got deleted
And then I got muted
stable schooner
Savage
versed helm
I mean just because I never got the dark hype, y'know?
HtT got people expecting a certain kind of thing which I didn't expect
That was the idea
But I feel uncomfortable discussing that now since it may be outside the purview of the channel or something
deft gust
I didnt like the story in halo 5
versed helm
I'm generally a fan of the Created as a concept, if not Cortana coming back
And I loved H5's world building
Everywhere you went was just rich with lore and character
I also didn't mind Osiris
But Blue could've used a bit of Denning-style banter
But Denning-style Blue wasn't a thing so y'know
fair hazel
There's a lot of flaws with halo 5 guardians story but, it did have some things that were nice
deft gust
The idea of chief going rogue was interesting but the execution was meh.
The worlds was so good.
The lack of chief was not good
sacred dew
And the elite world building was cool
And the grunt basically breaking the fourth wall
gilded mason
I liked the poem. And the Sanghelios desert.
stable schooner
Sanghelios looked nice but I was overall disappointed with it
versed helm
Dimkee Hotay was good grunt humour
sacred dew
And exuberant witness is adorable
gilded mason
Yeah.
versed helm
But Dimkee Hotay was dignified and intelligent
And made effective use of characteristic grunt speech and good storytelling
deft gust
The grunts story and lore is really upsetting tbh
sacred dew
I was actually waiting for the elite to push him off the cliff the whole time
deep pewter
5 is underrated when it comes to story
terse lava
Mhm
deft gust
I loved halo 4
past olive
Halo 5 grunts really really annoy me
sacred dew
Why
versed helm
Don't get killed
stable schooner
I dig Halo 5 Grunts. Sure they still look horrible but they have personality again.
humble yacht
Taunting grunts have always been a thing.
past olive
Yeah halo 4 just spoke a different language
humble yacht
Theyre a fickle species
past olive
Also I seem to notice it more in 5
versed helm
i didn't like the clickbait advertisements they did, that's why i didn't like the story
humble yacht
I prefer understanding them
terse lava
Yea. Makes the jokes better
deft gust
Olive you mean the hunt for the truth / Locke vs chief
stable schooner
Grunts screaming at me in their gas screeching language just killed my vibes in 4 and Reach actually
versed helm
i wanted that story
past olive
That's oni propaganda, they were meant to decieve
deft gust
Yeah. What a disappointing build up to not having that story
versed helm
well thats stupid isn't it
past olive
That story never existed
versed helm
oh ik it never existed, look at h5
sacred dew
It was mostly a story about Ben
Poor ben
past olive
The ads imo were a good idea, they just should have made it known that it was oni propaganda prior to release
versed helm
never liked oni
humble yacht
terse lava
Heh
sacred dew
Oni strikes again
terse lava
I hope nizat returns, he was interesting
past olive
They should have kept the cortana reveal for the end of the breaking, it would have made the game much better imo.
sacred dew
Probably gonna die
deft gust
I've seen lots of vids where people are hating on the opening cutscene for halo 5.
deep pewter
People hate on 5 a lot, a consequence of being the current Halo
humble yacht
Well if someone made a vid then they must be a major authority on things
gilded mason
I hope nizat returns, he was interesting
Nizat and Tam: best power couple
feral perch
What happened to platonic friendship and brotherly love?
deep pewter
That doesn’t exist, you know that
stable schooner
Your talking to the wrong Elite.
gilded mason
lol
past olive
The opening cutscene for 5 is great
deft gust
I liked the open cutscene to 5
past olive
I don't understand the hate
gilded mason
With Halsey?
past olive
With osiris
gilded mason
Oh.
terse lava
@gilded masonwas amusing at the end of the book where ram was convinced to leave the human alone by nizat
gilded mason
It was really silly.
stable schooner
I dislike that Cutscene completely
deep pewter
It’s only inconsistent because Bungie was insistent on slow gameplay
Also John slaughters the covenant by the thousands
past olive
The storm covenant definitely is
deft gust
I understand some things about the hate but I also liked a lot of other things
deep pewter
Their ideas bled into cutscenes
deep pewter
Some Spartans have been recorded running 60+ MPH
stable schooner
How is Slow Gameplay anything to do with a Cutscene Nathan.
terse lava
This is making me wish they called jul's group something else besides covenant
stable schooner
Reach Elites are Bungie and their fast. I’m don’t understand
humble yacht
Remember that “Storm Covenant” is a misnomer
past olive
The true covenant died in 3
terse lava
@humble yachtthus my beef it still persists
humble yacht
Jul’s Covenant
stable schooner
Yeah if they had and used an actual different name it would be more accepted.
deft gust
I wish spartan ops was in halo 5 no idea why they got rid of it
humble yacht
Because it wasn’t popular
deep pewter
Community hated it in 4
deft gust
Shame
gilded mason
I didn't find it all that fun.
humble yacht
Narrative was nice but the execution was lacking
stable schooner
Cause it was a repetitive slog. I wouldn’t mind see a well executed version of the idea though
deft gust
Would it have been better if they released all the episodes at once instead on what was it every week?
fair hazel
both opening cutscenes for halo 5 were great to me. honestly the blue team intro was good and i expected the rest of the game to carry that dynamic
deep pewter
I just wish it would’ve gone more into the Spartan IV program
stable schooner
Nah Darkla that would have made people even more fatigued. One mission is literally you just fighting Crawlers and Watchers. No Knights base Crawlers and Watchers
deft gust
I guess. I still enjoyed it imo but yh some was annoying or boring
terse lava
Wish there had been more world building on sangheilios
deft gust
I liked the last level in halo 4. Loved the last level in 1 n 3 aswell
past olive
Halo 5 should have explained parts of how the spartan IV program works so people could understand the Locke vs Chief fight better
Canonically their fight is very accurate in how it should have gone down just people had the misconception of chief being as strong as he is in Gen 2 armour as he is in Gen 1 as well as thinking Locke is super weak
But of course Halo 5 is what it is and it's not gonna change so
Hopefully Infinite will have that extra added depth here and there that 5 was lacking
deep pewter
If 4 had handled them better it wouldn’t have been too big of an issue, that’s where the marines in power armor idea really comes from
past olive
Yeah
stable schooner
Rip Halo 4 Spartans only having Halo 3 Marine Health.
humble yacht
Gameplay != canon
sacred dew
Spartans have telekinesis confirmed
stable schooner
Obviously Chimera. But when millions played 4 that was their first look at Spartan 4s.
proud quail
i mean
if you want halo 4 spartans without halo 3 marine health just play spartan ops with friends on easy difficulty
stable schooner
Lol
versed helm
So uh, is the Halo TV series canon?
Because the whole existence of Makee as a character kind of doesn’t jive well with me lol.
He’s essentially a human orphan who “was raised by the Covenant and shares their contempt for humanity”
gilded mason
Perhaps its own separate canon. We'll know for sure as we learn more.
versed helm
The Covenant wouldn’t waste their time raising what they deem to be a lesser, heretical species.
ruby sluice
They have yet to say for sure, but it sure as hell looks to be its own canon
versed helm
Ah alright. Then honestly I have no issue with them doing whatever they want.
ruby sluice
Clearly its not trying to appeal to existing Halo fans
gilded mason
And in this, Miranda's a commander as well as a doctor. And Jacob Keyes is already a captain.
fair hazel
What's the point of it being a halo tv show?
ruby sluice
^
versed helm
I don’t know.
Anyone remember when uh.
Peter Jackson was supposed to direct a Halo movie?
ruby sluice
Why muddy up the lore this much for seemingly no reason
versed helm
But it became District 9?
The live-action trailers they made for Halo 3 were actually supposed to build up the eventual Halo movie.
fair hazel
Halo legends, several halo short stories, one non canon, but it was a fun one and while there were artistic liscences, the whole thing was mostly productive for the halo series. Let's focus on the non-canon thing in legend. Was it the entirety of halo legends? No, it was one episode for fun, where they went crazy, because it didn't take all of the project. There was still origins, I, II, the package, babysitter, the duel, the prototype, homecoming
odd one out? A fun addition.
versed helm
I honestly wouldn’t mind a Halo animated series.
That would have been cool to see.
If it was in the style of Odd One Out in terms of how over the top it is then that would be even better.
versed helm
It’d be absolutely ridiculous and crazy but I think it’d be amazing to see lol
fair hazel
Or, imagine a halo animated series, which depicts the rise of a covenant commander and his perspective on the war against the humans, and explores the politics and life of the covenant. maybe it later ties into the schism
gilded mason
Now that sounds nice
fair hazel
odd one out is fun and that stuff is fun but. i dont think halo should become a parody of itself.
like, halo main.
versed helm
I just hope the Halo TV series isn’t bad, regardless of its disregard for canon.
versed helm
Seriously though what reason does the Covenant have for raising a human AAAAAAA
humble yacht
Personal reclaimer for truth to control
fair hazel
I don't think we can say nothing suggests it will be bad. We've had concerning statements, canon wise already.
humble yacht
You equate non-canon with bad
fair hazel
The fall of reach animated
humble yacht
But something can diverge from canon and still be written well
versed helm
That’s a pretty neat theory actually Chimera.
Also I agree. Halo Reach literally had no regard for established canon, and it was pretty good.
fair hazel
I'll give that as an example of a mess due to canon.
gilded mason
Personal reclaimer for truth to control
Though would Truth want somebody that valuable let out of his sight? Or in others' sight?
fair hazel
I said the fall of reach animated, not halo reach. Toa freak [halo canon] does a good job at explaining why.
I think most people can understand the need for small retcons, but when you go too far...
versed helm
The animated Fall of Reach short and Halo Reach both disregard established canon in different ways.
Personally I think my biggest gripe were the uh.
fair hazel
You know how there's hindsight?
versed helm
Halo 4-5 era weapons and armor Blue Team were using.
fair hazel
Something releases, and people are like, this thing and that thing, how could we have known.
And then some people are like, but if you see, the signs where there.
gilded mason
Personally I think my biggest gripe were the uh.
Some of the kids actually dying during simple training and John viciously attacking ODSTs?
fair hazel
We're not there yet, we're at the foresight part. And it's not looking amazing
versed helm
That too yeah lol.
fair hazel
Now imagine if they had actually stuck to the canon.
How many issues they could have avoided.
I want to be wrong... I really do..
versed helm
If the series turns out good then eh. I’ll check it out.
fair hazel
I'd accept some artistic/visual liberty, as long as canonically things remain the same for the most part, and that characters aren't completly changed.
but like
it has to REALLY be GOOD. Like, really. For me to be able to be like, i'll disregard those
The halo universe does NOT lack great creative canvases. There are so many stories that can be told without trampling into established territory
versed helm
I think the only reason why they’re delving into established stories and characters is for the sake of familiarity.
Master Chief is effectively the face of Halo, if he’s not involved then the mass appeal of a Halo TV series would be limited solely to current fans.
gilded mason
sake of familiarity.
That kinda gets dashed when the characters used don't look familiar. Besides John, at least.
versed helm
To be fair aside from John, Cortana, and Johnson, how many Halo characters could the average non-fan name?
fair hazel
The mass appeal of a halo TV show can be achieved by having a quality show that can stand on its own, halo or not.
By stand on its own, it does not mean deviate from what is halo.
versed helm
I agree I’d prefer that this series delves into a different part of the Halo universe. It’s a huge universe with a lot of potential for storytelling.
But at the same time is that what the average mass consumer wants?
fair hazel
Does the average mass consumer WANT a halo tv show?
The not halo fans
I don't think a bunch of them would be like, absolutely! I think people would be like, okay?
versed helm
I think most non-fans would want a movie. But I don’t think that will ever happen honestly.
ruby sluice
I agree, the show doesn't know if it wants to appeal to new audiences or existing fans.
fair hazel
By creating a canon rift, you make it harder for new audiences too to integrate into halo and get into in deeper
You can appeal to new audiences and respect existing fans.
versed helm
It ultimately depends, but yeah I don’t think multiverses jive with Halo.
fair hazel
marvel and dc with multiverses and stuff? well, the nature of how the comics were published and so on, it lead to that
Halo on the other hand? There's been this big thing about canon unity
So multiverse stuff doesn't really fit with halo
versed helm
Unless it’s a “What if” type of scenario.
ruby sluice
We'll see if the story is good, but the choices thus far have squashed a lot of room for good stories
versed helm
Like what if Noble 6 didn’t find a cave on Reach to hide in.
fair hazel
What if scenarios are nice but, I'd rather have a real halo tv series over a what if series
ruby sluice
Noble 6 cameo in the tv show when
fair hazel
resources are limited, it's not a scenario where, oh all the projects can exist!
oh no
versed helm
Noble 6 should be in Halo Infinite. 😎
versed helm
The plot twist could be that he actually did survive in a cave.
And then he became Grandpa 6.
fair hazel
Could fit, he could be given a face and actor too.
versed helm
Or Old Man 6.
fair hazel
Develop on what is essentially a non-character, give him motive, and in the end empower halo reach's protagonist
ruby sluice
Imagine that, we get to see the one man army; lone wolf operations that made him hyper-lethal
gilded mason
hyper-lethal
aaaaaaa
versed helm
I think an entire Noble Team series would be cool.
Because they really are blank slates with little depth.
Fleshing them out more would be cool.
fair hazel
There has for a long time been this idea for a show involving ODSTs, and although i've never watched it, band of brothers, style thing.
versed helm
That said though, oddly enough, I think Noble Six should be discluded.
fair hazel
there's just, so many ways of doing it right, that you go, but why go there where it seems wrong?
versed helm
The whole appeal of Six is that he’s meant to be a blank slate that players can step into the boots of.
ruby sluice
That's what I was getting at earlier, by using these characters like the Chief, Cortana, Halsey, Keyes etc. They are intentionally limiting themselves in terms of creative direction.
versed helm
An ODST series would be sweet too. Especially one with more grit.
Like that live-action trailer they made for ODST.
stoic hamlet
^^^
terse lava
Do we even know anything plotwise for this tv series outside of covie kid?
carmine sleet
It's not a movie
terse lava
There
humble yacht
@versed helm none of that here
main rivet
Yeah my main concern is that they're remixing stuff we've already seen. Chief can be your central character and there's still tons of stories that haven't been told about him.
Hopefully they're not limiting themselves. We will see.
There's also the chicken and egg question—if everyone "only knows Chief", then there's no way of solving that without ever introducing characters besides Chief.
gaunt oakBOT
main rivet
I'd love to get a Vice History of Halo-type thing in a few years for the earlier 343 era, because it feels like the studio has been pretty schizophrenic with its creative goals.
fair hazel
Please take time to read the rules and regulations. And if a mod tells you to stop something please don’t escalate, thank you
main rivet
Were we moving past Chief with new characters, or doubling down on him?
It feels like we've gone from one extreme to the other.
fair hazel
Pretty what with it’s creative goals?
humble yacht
I wouldn’t call Halo 5 extreme with its lack of Chief
main rivet
I wouldn't either, but it feels like that was as common sentiment.
humble yacht
It was largely a story about chief told through other characters
And yet the response was “need moar Chief”
main rivet
And their response (Chief in Infintie! Here he is! Classic armor! Also how about Collateral Damage, Silent Storm, etc.)
suggests that they felt that way too.
humble yacht
Well in that respect they’re giving the fans what they think they want
main rivet
Likewise while I understand why people didn't want Cortana breaking bad, I understood what they were going for.
fair hazel
I won’t think they really succeeded telling a story about him through other characters though
main rivet
But since then we've gotten conflicting materials that suggest they're going to backtrack on their plans, and that will just end up satisfying no one.
Yeah I don't think the game itself really focused on Chief as perceived by others.
I don't even really think they were going for that, but I understand where poeple saw the marketing as suggesting that.
fair hazel
Isn’t it like halo 4 to 5 situation from listening to feedback the wrong way?
humble yacht
They were going for that
Brian Reed said as much in a pre-launch interview about H5
fair hazel
They were but, doesn’t mean they succeeded.
main rivet
I really don't think that was actually part of the final game, though.
Like the whole MCC bookends with Locke and "you're not the only one here because of him"-type stuff, it wasn't in the end game.
humble yacht
When I say pre Iaunch, I dont mean like months before
fair hazel
Also halo 5 did have, what I’m calling short ends,
Moments where you’re like. Yeah I like where this is going. But it doesn’t go somewhere much
humble yacht
In the writers‘ minds, halo 5 was still about the Chief. And the players just didn’t share that sentiment
fair hazel
The blue team intro cutscene, Roland interrupting the crew, not the only one here because of him, etc
Those moments and things didn’t really bloom into something much. So short ends
humble yacht
When it comes to moving away from the Chief, it’s easy to say from our end “just do it better than H5”. But the problem with that is, they didn’t intend to make H5 bad. The writers sounded excited about the story. And so maybe 343 in general became spooked over telling stories like that in the future and decided instead to play it safe. Which is a totally valid response
main rivet
Yeah, but it's not going to lead to better stories. Reactionary responses aren't good responses.
It doesn't help that there's the Halo cycle mindset to deal with too.
Halo 4's anniversary came around and it's a flood of "best version of Chief! Best story!" etc stuff. Just as with Halo 2, 3, Reach before it, people's knee-jerk reactions are often way harsher than they are years later
carmine sleet
That's just how people are
hushed badger
Yeah but H5's story was pretty bad, no amount of years or games are gonna change that.
carmine sleet
There's people out there who believe it's the best story. At the end of the day, whether a story is good or bad is subjective
hasty locust
It’s in the eye of the beholder
fair hazel
Let’s not go there please @hushed badger
hushed badger
Go where?
hushed badger
Just say you disagree if you want.
gaunt oakBOT
fair hazel
Please don’t do it again.
There are some good things in the halo 5 campaign and nice stuff in it but, the overall narrative which drives the story is where there’s a problem
And issues with characterization of main cast
hasty locust
Mhm
fair hazel
Sanghelios stuff was pretty good. But, it’s harder to appreciate stuff like than and audio logs when the overall narrative taints the view, and not for lack of good reason
I do try and focus on some of the good stuff so I can enjoy it more.
hasty locust
I haven’t played it since launch
fair hazel
Campaign or game overall
hasty locust
Just campaign
fair hazel
I’ve got at least four days campaign game time. Despite the story flaws the gameplay can be fun and sometimes I go looking for some stuff. And lots of areas are pretty
hasty locust
I might give it a try again once infinite comes closer to launch
fair hazel
If you do play it again. Try to not rush and spend time exploring areas. You do get some nice stuff when you go out of your way.
I really like Tanaka repairing the banshee.
humble yacht
Halo 4's anniversary came around and it's a flood of "best version of Chief! Best story!" etc stuff.
If this is in reference to the twitter comments, then comments like that were mixed with “this is when halo died” and “worst halo ever” and things like that
carmine sleet
The Sanghelios missions are some of my favourite in the franchise honestly. It's so nice being able to visit the home world of one of the races from the Covenant. Would love to explore it again in a future title
hasty locust
Tanaka repairs a banshee?
humble yacht
She is an engineer
carmine sleet
Aye, if you walk up to an Elite working on a Banshee as Tanaka, she'll tell him what the problem is and help him fix it
carmine sleet
Oh, this is within gameplay
fair hazel
Not animation. Dialogue
hasty locust
Ah, but it only happens if your playing multiplayer
hasty locust
Interesting
carmine sleet
Indeed, which is why I need to replay Halo 5 in four player co-op at some point
carmine sleet
Ok, not sure what I said then
carmine sleet
One of their names is getting hit by the bot is my guess
fair hazel
Looking into it.
carmine sleet
Roger that
fair hazel
Anyways you were saying this
fair hazel
I still rmemeber a piece of dialogue I’ve never gotten to show up more than once between buck and Tanaka
Tanaka asked buck what it was like dating someone in unsc or something. That you don’t see often. Or something I forgot
And then buck replies. And then says. Got someone in mind? Or something
Then Tanaka is like. NOOOO
carmine sleet
I remember that bit of dialogue from a while back
hasty locust
Never, got that
hasty locust
Do these special line sonly happen in CO-OP?
carmine sleet
Would be nice to learn more about what Tanaka was trying to learn
I think all lines can be triggered solo but it takes allot of waiting about
hasty locust
Ah
fair hazel
Well not everything can. Tanaka repair in coop only
You can get vale to translate stuff
But you have to get close to the murals. Well her close.
hasty locust
So just beat her toward them till she’s basically buried in the Muriel’s, got it XD
Can you still move AI via punching?
carmine sleet
Yes but they take damage
It's better to nudge them or use squad commands to make them go places
hasty locust
Ooooooh, yeah squad commands duh
fair hazel
Youre punching people when you can just ask them.. tsk tsk tsk
hasty locust
Lol
obsidian thistle
Note: Most co-op lines can be heard solo. They are just harder to get
gaunt oakBOT
terse lava
Fun question, who would win in a battle, the covenant, or their marathon ancestors the phfru
humble yacht
The Combine
terse lava
Combine always win
As for halo 5, j feel like they backtracked too hard. Wasnt their original goal to have the didact fill the role that Cortana got? Wasnt he met to be the chief's "rival" in the reclaimer trilogy?
gilded mason
Wasnt he met to be the chief's "rival" in the reclaimer trilogy?
That's what they said, yeah.
deep pewter
Did they ever say that?
gilded mason
Think so. I remember reading it somewhere
deep pewter
I don’t remember hearing that, honestly
versed helm
The idea of a composed Didact filling Cortana's role is a good one.
In fact it's easy to imagine them trying to revert back to that route in Infinite
deep pewter
They really can’t at this point
versed helm
Well yeah
I was gonna finish by saying that they could try it, and it'd probably not be great.
fair hazel
nemesis
versed helm
And truth be told using Cortana does explain the Created's loyalty a little better than the Didact.
And I feel the whole Created thing has been in the works since pretty early on in the EU ngl
Like it's definitely an idea that has been floating around
The Sif/Mack storyline in CH is almost on-the-nose in light of what we now know
Saint's Testimony is the most obvious example
gilded mason
@deep pewter
Found it...sorta. Frankie said in a Halo 4 video (that was taken down many years ago) that the Didact "would be instrumental in post-Halo 4 fiction". Could only find Haruspis talking about it, and no other references to the video, so maybe that's where people got "rivals"/"nemesis" from as well? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
https://haruspis.blog/2015/12/10/halo-5-a-compendium-of-lies/
Oh. Just found this, too.
the final, foreboding line, made by an overpowering new adversary who will become Master Chief’s first true nemesis.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120713014156/http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/06/09/The-Halo-Bulletin-6912.aspx
deep pewter
Thanks fam, maybe he will come back in Infinite at some point
terse lava
@gilded masonthanks, that's the one I was thinking of
versed helm
Covenant in the Halo TV series be like:
KILL ALL HUMANS
Also the Covenant in the Halo TV series:
I have killed this human’s parents and now I’m compelled to raise it.
deep pewter
I really hate this view of the covenant most people have
versed helm
I’m curious how that conversation went though, like among the Sangheili.
deep pewter
Most likely sympathizers that didn’t see the issue with humanities exclusion
And found an opportunity to test their idea in the orphan
versed helm
The Sangheili were the only ones who really started questioning why the humans were never invited into the Covenant, since they were better soldiers generally than the Unggoy.
That said though I still don’t see why if the Covenant killed the kid’s parents they suddenly see issue with killing the kid too.
I do think that when it comes to the show
People are ignoring that fact that the Covenant consists of sentient people subject to their own whims
They've still gotta make it compelling, naturally
But so much stuff we take for granted in Halo these days was once upon a time super radical
I mean look at the SIIIs
And this is likely just a one-off of some kind
obsidian thistle
Bar the visuals, actual canon hasnt been broken yet. Remember the Covenant leaders tried a lotta stuff without the others knowing. So raising 1 kid may prove to be 1 such plan.
ruby sluice
Even then it’s confusing, if they were saved by elite human sympathizers, that would mean they would have to be hidden from all covenant authority. Though if that’s the case, how would they grow up learning to hate humanity?
We’ll see how they handle it, but so far I have my doubts that they will convince me this character will make sense at all.
obsidian thistle
Or Regret, Truth, or Mercy (Oh how I want Mercy to do more stuff tbh) did one of their solo things.
Remember First Strike had Truth know about Earth, yet not tell Regret who was incoming.
And Cole Protocol had some odd "Plasma Rifle" scheme involving Grunts.
versed helm
Not even gonna lie
I am very partial to the idea of the human sympathizers
Just because I feel the Great Schism lacks a lot of context
gilded mason
Same with me (of course)
versed helm
I wish that context wasn't necessarily Elite human sympathizers
But any context is good
feral perch
Looters, can we assume that any statement of yours without the “ngl” disclaimer is a potential falsehood? 
versed helm
I mean I say ngl so much that you probably should
The possibility does exist
And if I'm saying something I really want you take seriously then I'll definitely say not gonna lie
Or I'll level with you
Or I'm gonna be real
One of those three
feral perch
jots that down in notebook of Looters jargon
The frenzy yesterday was definitely a sign that people are invested in the TV show lore. If feedback gets out, perhaps we could see a late change to the story, although I very much doubt that
Who green lit this Covy adoption?
obsidian thistle
Well again its "not" breaking the lore. Even if its odd.
feral perch
But was it a good decision?
obsidian thistle
That is another debate.
gilded mason
I guess we'll see how that aspect is handled, but I'm not exactly holding my breath.
versed helm
I mean it depends
Her hatred of humanity is like the sort of thing that you'd only do in that context if you had a reason
obsidian thistle
Well I am reminded of that Star Trek Next Generation Episode where a xenophobic race, raised a child.
feral perch
I just saw that “recently,” I was reminded of it too
I thought it was a dumb episode tho so
obsidian thistle
If anyone is actually interested in watching the episode. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Suddenly_Human_(episode)
*Which tbh Star Trek would actually legit be a good example of changing stuff, but keeping stuff canon (though yes I do remember the backlash Discovery and the Kelvin timeline got)
terse lava
@obsidian thistle I could see mercy raising the kid. Oblivion seemed to hint he regretted the war thus far before being cut off by truth
gilded mason
Though him raising the child in secret because he's sympathetic would make it a bit odd she hates humanity.
obsidian thistle
Yea I do want more Mercy lore tbh
He is kinda the Prophet we know the least about.
gilded mason
Yeah
obsidian thistle
(outside the pre-Truth, Regret, Mercy trio)
versed helm
Didn’t Truth know the real purpose of the Halo Rings, but essentially rationalized that he’s gone too far to stop now?
gilded mason
At least by the very end, if his Ark broadcast is to be believed.
versed helm
It's not overt
But that's the theory
I believe wholeheartedly that Truth knew the truth about the rings
Every time I type that it sounds like I'm trying to say that Truth being called truth but also knowing the truth is something I'm trying to point to as evidence
But I'm not
I reject that kind of cheesiness
hasty locust
And dats the truth 😎
terse lava
Plus wasn't mercy the only one whose name was not fully ironic? He did show mercy to Regret
main rivet
Truth's actions if he knows what the rings do make no sense, and that's talking only about Halo 2 before we even get into Halo 3.
versed helm
Disagree.
Give an example
I've disproved all of them I've been given so far pretty compellingly
I think at least
terse lava
@versed helmthat towards me or him?
gilded mason
I imagine it's the whole thing with Delta Halo. If Tartarus actually succeeded, Truth would be dead before he could get to the Ark.
versed helm
Would he?
terse lava
@gilded masoni think truth only knew the reality of halo on his way to earth
versed helm
I mean he was well in slipspace.
terse lava
You didnt see.mercy bragging about halo killing.people
gilded mason
That feels way too risky to me.
versed helm
The Great Schism was also pretty risky
terse lava
Risky? Was pretty much doomsday