#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 253

feral perch Nov 3, 2019, 4:09 AM

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retcon city bois

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 4:09 AM

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I wish

remote spruce Nov 3, 2019, 4:10 AM

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the whole "that should be already evident by each member's age" really doesn't help things

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 4:10 AM

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You can’t really tell their ages in-game anyways

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If it wasn’t for the encyclopedia it’d be fine

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We could hand-wave it/ infer like we do with Saber/G-059, or Roland and Jonah

feral perch Nov 3, 2019, 4:11 AM

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Very interesting about the whole “moved to hitscan” thing

remote spruce Nov 3, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Read all the Halo 3 armor descriptions

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So yea definitely didn't unlock all the armor whoops

obsidian thistle Nov 3, 2019, 10:19 AM

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Prototypes be a thing.

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Who says the helmet "couldnt" exist in 2542. If only as the helmet and not the entire suit anyway.

Just like how CQB used the design of a early Mark IV helmet.

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Or how Grenadier started off as a Mark IV prototype before becoming the "G" variant of Mark IV.

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That said there is a belief by some the "Base" sets of each Mark have a name. We just never been told them, instead only getting what Mark they are on.

carmine sleet Nov 3, 2019, 10:37 AM

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I feel like giving names to the base versions of the suits at this point might not go over too well with some people, given that we're so used to calling them the Mark IV, Mark V and Mark VI respectively

obsidian thistle Nov 3, 2019, 10:46 AM

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Yea thats the sad thing about it tbh.

However that said we do have helmets and parts appearing before their named Mark was a thing. The biggie is Owen (2548-ish) and Carter (after his augs) having Mark IV (b) but with a Mark V shoulder really makes one wonder.

https://www.halopedia.org/images/c/ce/Halo_Meridian_Divide_cover.jpg

carmine sleet Nov 3, 2019, 10:47 AM

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My guess is that it's most likely modular pieces that existed before the Mark V. Like how you don't need to wear a full suit of Recon to use a Recon helmet

obsidian thistle Nov 3, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Thats the thought process. Leading to stuff like the Mark V helmet existing in August 2542 really easy.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 11:45 AM

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Man

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Kelly is possibly the fastest human alive

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That's nuts

carmine sleet Nov 3, 2019, 11:46 AM

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That's what happens when you augment someone like her. I wouldn't be surprised if she would've gone on to be an athlete if she didn't get kidnapped and trained to be a Spartan

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 2:19 PM

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didact op

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would like to see him and arbiter go head to head

carmine sleet Nov 3, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Arbiter would likely lose in a one on one against the Didact

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 2:21 PM

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yeah thats true sadly

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would still be dope tho

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 3:03 PM

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In preparation for the next Halo game, I've started doing my own little "Halo Timeline Marathon" where I'm doing the entire Halo Universe in chronological order, not just games, but also books and everything in between 😄 Just got onto Silent Storm

twin obsidian Nov 3, 2019, 3:25 PM

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@tawdry galleon This is Gold. Will you keep updating it?

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 3:26 PM

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@twin obsidian Thanks! Yes, I will be updating it whenever I have free time to spare in my days. 😄

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Question: In the Halo lore, what is usually considered the turning point of the Human-Covenant War? The Battle of Installation 04 in CE or the Great Schism in Halo 2? I've heard people say that the GS is considered the turning point, but isn't the Covenant's loss at the Battle of Installation 04 a direct cause of said civil war?

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Some people have even said the Fall of Reach since that whole thing is what set the Battle of Installation 04 in motion and all. Personally I don't consider Reach to be the turning point, I'd actually say that was when the UNSC realized the war was all but lost until the discovery of Alpha Halo.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:32 PM

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The Battle of Installation 04 is what I'd consider to be the catalyst of the end of the war.

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The Fall of Reach is like, the beginning of the end.

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But 04 could've gone a lot of ways, that's for certain, and the way it did go led to the Great Schism and the final battles of the war.

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But then again, maybe it's more complex than that.

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Regret learned the location of Earth from Meridian, and that had nothing to do with 04

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And Truth knew (very mysteriously) even earlier and was trying to seize Earth covertly for his own reasons

carmine sleet Nov 3, 2019, 4:35 PM

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The battle of Earth was going to happen no matter what, basically

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Really a lot of this hinges of Truth's motivations and knowledge, I'd say.

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It's hard to point to an exact turning point without getting into his head.

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But 04 is probably a safe answer.

humble yacht Nov 3, 2019, 4:35 PM

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since the slipspace jump from reach that landed them at Alpha Halo was random, I'd say the turning point was the Battle of Installation 04, not the Fall of Reach

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Well

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"Random"

humble yacht Nov 3, 2019, 4:36 PM

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blind

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:36 PM

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But I agree with the point

humble yacht Nov 3, 2019, 4:36 PM

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they didn't know where they were going is the point

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Didn't Cortana kinda know?

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On a hunch?

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Based on the artefact retrieved from Sigma Octanus?

humble yacht Nov 3, 2019, 4:37 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Like she extrapolated coordinates from it and plugged them in cuz it may as well have been random

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But they took em to 04

subtle depot Nov 3, 2019, 4:37 PM

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The jump wasn’t actually random though. It’s made clear in reach that they know the location of it. That’s why Cortana was so important. Cortana said it was random to classify data pretty much

humble yacht Nov 3, 2019, 4:37 PM

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like I said before, i corrected to "blind"

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Well I wouldn't go that far

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But yeah, blind is absolutely true.

humble yacht Nov 3, 2019, 4:38 PM

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all they had were coordinates

subtle depot Nov 3, 2019, 4:38 PM

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She went there because just as Halsey said halo was humanities last hope. They knew about the ring too

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Either way, if you wanna get real technical, you could make a case for the turning point being both Sigma Octanus and Meridian

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Or failing Meridian

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However Truth came to know of Earth (prior to First Strike)

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But it was just kinda blind reactions from those flashpoints which butterfly effected everything

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After 04 there was definitely a solidly connected cascade of cause and effect

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 4:40 PM

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I always liked the story of the Human-Covenant War. I just think it's a cool concept: Interstellar humanity is being brought to the brink of extinction by an alien empire with seemingly no motives but the complete eradication of the human race. Humanity is desperately clinging on to whatever worlds it has left in a war where the goal is to simply try and survive to the next day, rather than actually win. Cool stuff.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Mhm

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That's why I'm here lmao

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The story of humanity's struggle in the 26th century and the HCW is my Halo

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 4:41 PM

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I also like how human bullets still kill the aliens 😄 all these movies where our weapons and technology doesn't do squat against alien races is a load of baloney - bullets still kill doesn't matter what its being pointed at lol.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Ay, bullets hurt.

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And the UNSC uses big ones.

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The truth is that guns are pretty darn stronk

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Though there is definitely a gulf in lethality between your typical rifle cartridge and a plasma bolt

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Now like Halo shows, spaceships are another ball game when it comes to levelling the playing field. But when it comes to basic ground combat - yea, bullets still kill 😄

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Bullets, tactics and liberal application of HE.

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That's how UNSC infantry roll.

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Other things too

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Like badass NCOs

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Combat stimulants

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Uhhh

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Even the Mythos book says that when it came to ground battles, the UNSC usually won when the odds were in their favor (unless they were being overwhelmed). It was in space battles that the UNSC was basically outgunned by the Covenant's vessels.

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Which makes sense from a human standpoint. We're still pretty primitive in terms of spaceship technology in the real world. Who's to say there isn't aliens out there with advanced vessels far beyond our understanding?

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Well you can't downplay the importance of the home-field advantage.

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 4:46 PM

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When you think about it, we've only been going to space for roughly 50 years. I don't doubt there's probably spacefaring races somewhere out there that have been doing that stuff for thousands of years.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:46 PM

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But in a way I think one of the more uplifting elements of Halo is that it likes to portray humanity as fundamentally a bit of a warrior race

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Like it gets into weird nature vs nurture territory

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But look at how we were back in Forerunner times

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Gotta watch anything that could be interpreted as rude my dude

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The filter'll get ya

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 4:48 PM

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I also like how Halo portrays human spaceships in the future how they actually would look realistically speaking - big bulky hulks of metal. Not sleek looking starships like in Star Trek.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:48 PM

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They're definitely the coolest ships in sci-fi imo

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They're certainly held together on a lore basis by a lot of sci-fi mumbo jumbo under the hood - inertial compensators, gravity generators.

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But that's part of the charm, really.

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And the aesthetic is grounded.

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 4:52 PM

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HEY GUYS I thought I'd mention that today is Halo 2 day.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:52 PM

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The means of their manoeuvring is a little dubious at times though

indigo thorn Nov 3, 2019, 4:52 PM

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i like infinite warfare space ships designs they look pretty realistic and visually pleasing

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Bah

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Today, 533 years in the future, the Great Schism will begin 😄

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Disgusting

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Anyway, uh, UNSC ships (as with all Halo ships really) have huge stacks of thrusters coming out one direction

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And not a lot of, like, manoeuvring thrusters

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What seems to be the case

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Is that there's some sophisticated application of magnetic fields which allows the direction of thrust to be significantly altered well after leaving the thrusters

indigo thorn Nov 3, 2019, 4:53 PM

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funfact the reason why star trek ships look so sleek is because they have to fly in atmosphere or nebulas

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:53 PM

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In addition to typical thrust vectoring techniques

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But I wouldn't be surprised if gravitic tech is also involved

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 4:54 PM

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On this day, November 3rd, 533 years from now, the Great Schism will be started, the Gravemind will send the Master Chief and Arbiter to High Charity and the Installation 05 control room while he starts putting in motion his plan to take over High Charity.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:54 PM

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The old school books make heavy mention of manoeuvring thrusters of course but a lot of old school ship technical lore is kinda defunct now

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See rotating sections

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Though an interesting element is that it does seem like UNSC ships actually rotate 180 degrees when they need to rapidly decelerate

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Or are known to

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Happens in Oblivion

indigo thorn Nov 3, 2019, 4:56 PM

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imagine there was no portal of voi on earth that would have ended humanity

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:56 PM

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The weird thing about needing to rotate 180 degrees to decelerate is that MACs are spinal

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So that means if a UNSC ship wants to drastically decelerate it can't shoot ahead

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Though it likely doesn't matter that much cuz in Preston Cole story from Evolutions space battles are described kinda like jousting matches

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Fleets sorta orbiting a gravity well and charging at one another and passing until they come back around and do it again

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Pretty awesome imo

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Lmao look what you did

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Triggered a random lore rant

indigo thorn Nov 3, 2019, 4:59 PM

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ok

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 4:59 PM

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UNSC ships are just that cool

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 4:59 PM

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November 17th will mark 533 years 'till the start of Halo 3

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Presumably the rear engines can use their sci-fi magnetic field thrust vectoring to manoeuvre horizontally real good

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Hm

indigo thorn Nov 3, 2019, 5:00 PM

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is the unsc infnity actually one of its kind or are there more to be build?

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Well it was supposed to have a sister ship

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Eternity

carmine sleet Nov 3, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Eternity isn't finished though

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:00 PM

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But I believe it was scrapped (or set back) to help refit the Infinity prior to Halo 5

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Yup

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Cannibalized to help repairs or something.

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Infinity is one of the best-named ships in the UNSC Navy. I don't know where the UNSC comes up with the names for their ships, i. e. UNSC Bum Rush, UNSC Do You Feel Lucky? and, yes, even UNSC Pillar of Autumn. Seriously who comes up with these names?

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Well, it’s the first of its class

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Infinity is one of the best-named ships in the UNSC Navy.
Eh

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 5:02 PM

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So it needs the small name.

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:02 PM

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@gilded mason I meant in comparison to others like the aforementioned ones

carmine sleet Nov 3, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Ship names likely come from multiple sources

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Like how the first Halcyon was the UNSC Halcyon

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Or the Halberd was the UNSC Halberd

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Etc

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:03 PM

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The first Autumn class is presumed to be the UNSC Pillar of Autumn II tho

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So it's not like a universal rule

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Though Autumn class cruiser got their name from the Pillar of Autumn.

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Yeah that'

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Spirit of Fire is actually pretty cool

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:03 PM

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By that logic the first Halberd could've been

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Like

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The UNSC Halberd in yo Face Fool

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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lol

carmine sleet Nov 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Then you get ships like Say My Name, which are likely named by someone who couldn't think up a good name

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Also Halberds are the UNSC's workhorse combat vessel

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Don't @ me

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People think it's cruisers

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It's not

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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@versed helm

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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It's destroyers

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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100% agreement

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Darnit

indigo thorn Nov 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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i love it how ship names are more than 1 word like in e.g star trek

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Then you get vessels like UNSC Pony Express, UNSC Weeping Willows, and UNSC Unto the Breach

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Halberd best ship

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UNSC Bum Rush

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Best ship name is In Amber Clad. ❤

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 5:05 PM

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UNSC Bad Moon Rising (based off the song)

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Y'know

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I can definitely vibe with In Amber Clad

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 5:05 PM

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I like all the ship names tbh

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Also has a great song to go with it

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Indeed

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:06 PM

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I'm looking at the ship names on the Halopedia and it looks like most of the Destroyers are named after famous battles, people, etc. - UNSC Iwo Jima, UNSC Agincourt, UNSC Bunker Hill, UNSC Thermopylae etc.

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Frigates are named after well-known places it seems such as UNSC Grafton and UNSC Gettysburg

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 5:06 PM

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UNSC Pioneer

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^ Halberd destroyer

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:10 PM

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While we're on the topic of vessels - is the Covenant Supercarrier really that huge?

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3683556515e2e900930ef6e4619b0541.webp

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I feel like the Covenant's compensating for something 😄

carmine sleet Nov 3, 2019, 5:10 PM

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They're a space empire, of course they'd have big ships

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Yeah, they're that big

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:11 PM

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I'm just saying I feel like for the Supercarrier to be twice as large as the SW Super Star Destroyer is a little too big.

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:11 PM

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28.960 kilometers long

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Though I do wish the design wasn't simply the carrier scaled up.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Well your ship gets that big

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You can make it look like whatever I guess

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Since the tech holding it together is presumably so potent

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Bungie c. 2009-10:

"Guys we have to make a new design for a Covenant Supercarrier"

"Let's just take a normal Carrier and blow it up on photoshop"

"YES GREAT IDEA" 😄

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"Uh oh, it's BIGGER JAWS"

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 5:13 PM

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It definitely works for the Covenant, a thousand year empire, to have a ship that large.

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The Galactic Empire was only in power for 20 years

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:13 PM

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It'd be pretty cool to explore one.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Darn straight

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Perhaps as the setting for a smaller game. Or, y'know, something.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:14 PM

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No way supercarriers don't make their way back into the universe at some point

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They're the biggest fish really

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Ye

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:14 PM

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It'd be cool to have a sorta Infinity vs CSO (it's CSO innit) in like a cat and mouse chase

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:15 PM

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CSO, yeah

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:15 PM

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I just don't see how you can maneuver a vessel that large. You'd have to have so much room just to turn a ship like that. It actually kind of reminds me of the historic Age of Sail, how all the big Colonial Empires would make Man O'Wars and just keep making them bigger and bigger to the point where they were practically moving slower than sloths on the water. That's how I imagine the Supercarrier: Don't get into range of its guns, but if you can maneuver around it and maybe hit key spots you're set.

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:15 PM

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And yeah, basically, whoever can get the first connected strike off wins.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Well Covenant manoeuvre drives are actually spicy gravitic memes

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Or just super-nuke it 5 seconds before the rest of the fleet shows up cough

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:16 PM

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They don't work by just blasting out thrust

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Warfleet goes into it

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So that might account for the seeming ungainliness enough to make it practical

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:17 PM

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👍

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:18 PM

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I doubt the Covenant had many Supercarriers though. Even a massive interstellar empire can't afford to make an entire fleet of Supercarriers that they then have to maintain and all that, even if you make the Grunts, Engineers, and Drones do it on minimum wage 😄

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Remeber, elites are also engineers!

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Yeah, there'd be very few of them.

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:19 PM

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And we know at the very start of the war, they sent off 20 super carriers somewhere

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Wait

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:19 PM

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It makes sense to have 1-5 Supercarriers only as armada flagships

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Wat

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Yeah

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Nizat notes it

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:19 PM

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lumo

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There's definitely a CSO or two in HC's defence fleet tho

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Someone worked that out

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From bits n' pieces of lore

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Yea I could see HC having a few that makes sense

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Just from my observations in H: Reach, it seems that Supercarriers are mainly used as an invasion platform for massive armies to take on a strategic world or mission.

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Well, Rho didn't really expect Reach to be what it was.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Well, that's definitely the one solid example we have of their employment

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And it was a pretty effective one

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If only they'd expected humans to pull their usual cheeki breeki tricks

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Like Reach - the Covies probably knew that the UNSC would be bringing a lot of defense works on such a key world, so they probably brought in a Supercarrier for what would have been a quick and effective invasion landing.

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:23 PM

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'Barutamee was surprised to learn that the system boasted a massive human military presence in the form of the Epsilon Eridani Fleet,

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Hmm...nvm then.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Still I think given enough time that CSO could've dismantled Reach

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Of course

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Maybe it was because they knew the Forerunner artifact was there and they wanted to set up a base of operations around it?

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:24 PM

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However, 'Barutamee had ulterior motives aside from glassing Reach. He secretly continued to pursue his objective of locating the Capital and believed that the Forerunner artifacts on Reach were the final piece to the puzzle that was the Capital's location.

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Like the spires seemed like they were there more or less to elevator troops for the archaeological digging rather than an invasion as it turned out.

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:24 PM

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(Forerunner Capital, to clarify)

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:24 PM

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I dunno if that's accurate, Woody.

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The spires at Szurdok were being used as staging areas to strike key points across a whole continent

tawdry galleon Nov 3, 2019, 5:25 PM

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I don't know I'm tired and throwing out baseless speculation ;D

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:25 PM

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And even orbital defences after Sword Base

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I don't doubt that, as with all things, chasing after Forerunner stuff was top of the agenda

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But there was absolutely an invasion going on

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With the end goal of burning Reach

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Remember Reach IS a huge planet.

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:27 PM

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It's at least 10 meters big.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Whoah dude

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That's sizable

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:29 PM

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I know, right

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:29 PM

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At least

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Uh

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10 MA5Ds

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Or like

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6 Grunts

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 5:29 PM

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my god

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:30 PM

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No definitely more like 7 Grunts

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Cuz it's 5 Palmers

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Woah Loskay is also a tall boi

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Like 6 Loskays

indigo thorn Nov 3, 2019, 5:35 PM

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wow that supercarrier is really large

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Looking into Halo Wars 2's ATN event, Does anyone know how much UNSC assets were lost to the Flood? (I think the amount of Flood Infected UNSC enemies varies by difficulty.)

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Very hard to tell.

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Probably relatively little though.

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 6:29 PM

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The gameplay shouldn’t be taken as canon.

versed helm Nov 3, 2019, 6:32 PM

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I guess. There was only one UNSC base near High Charity that got destroyed, the entire area was under Banished Control when the Flood was unleashed.

obsidian thistle Nov 3, 2019, 6:36 PM

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I am still sad we never saw Morgan Kinsano in that DLC

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Seeing as "Fire" + "Flood" = "Popcorn".

sacred dew Nov 3, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Does the unsc use cryoweapeons or was serina a one time thing

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 6:48 PM

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I can’t really imagine it’s widespread or would even actually be useful.

obsidian thistle Nov 3, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Well limited Cryo Weapons.

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In the SoF pov.

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https://www.halopedia.org/Blizzard_Squad

Halopedia

Blizzard Squad

Blizzard Squad is a United Nations Space Command Marine Corps squad present on the UNSC Spirit of Fire. The squad consists at least 2 Cryo Troopers a Marine, and one squad leader. This squad was formed during the Second Ark Conflict in 2559 against the Banished, implementing ...

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This squad for example legit "can" exist.

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The Phoenix Log also expands on it.

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"Hellbringers are qualified to maintain, operate, and deploy a number of specialist weapon systems in the UNSC arsenal. This includes a range of incendiary, thermobaric, energetic, chemical, and biological weapons that most UNSC personnel are not even aware of. Serina reasoned their hazardous material qualifications and daredevil reputation made them well—suited for field testing experimental cryotech weaponry. Who better to strap on experimental and unstable power cells that tap strange energies than Marines who routinely wear volatile chemical packs into battle? She was probably right, if the spirited discussion about her cryotech weapon templates among the Spirit of Fire's Marines is any indication."

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That said "Cryo-weaponry" seems to be... very in its infancy.

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The ZAV-48 Frostraven is only a theoretical design https://www.halopedia.org/ZAV-48_Frostraven

Halopedia

ZAV-48 Frostraven

The ZAV-48 Frostraven is a theoretical aircraft design by the Smart AI Serina.

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And as the SoF has no "Bisons" the Tundra Bison cant exist.

sacred dew Nov 3, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Ah so the were made by serina

obsidian thistle Nov 3, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Anders then Serina. One could say Serina adopted the research, then Isabel to a small degree.

sacred dew Nov 3, 2019, 7:40 PM

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New question how widespread were the shields that the autumn used

obsidian thistle Nov 3, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Not all Autumns had them

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That may help answer your question 🙂

carmine sleet Nov 3, 2019, 7:44 PM

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I think Richard was referring to the Pillar of Autumn, not the Autumn class

sacred dew Nov 3, 2019, 7:46 PM

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No it was the autumn class warfleet said they had proximity shields or was it just the pillar of autumn

meager delta Nov 3, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Since master Chief petty officer is a rank who else achieved the rank of master Chief besides Chief @ me if you have the answer

sacred dew Nov 3, 2019, 10:04 PM

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I think Kurt also has a higher rank

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Don't think he's asking for higher ranks. Just equivalent ones.

sacred dew Nov 3, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Would Palmer have gotten masterchief rank before commander

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 10:16 PM

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No @sacred dew

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Because she was a Marine not in the Navy

sacred dew Nov 3, 2019, 10:17 PM

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OK

fair hazel Nov 3, 2019, 10:34 PM

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there's other master chief petty officers but they're called something differently out of respect for John

wintry ember Nov 3, 2019, 10:36 PM

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117 never dies

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Which is dumb IMO

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Agreed.

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 10:37 PM

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the calling other Master Chiefs something different

wintry ember Nov 3, 2019, 10:38 PM

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so you want him dead?

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 10:39 PM

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We're talking about the topic regarding rank titles.

sacred dew Nov 3, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Well it would be kinda weird having a bunch of masterchiefs

fair hazel Nov 3, 2019, 11:00 PM

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there are several master chief petty officers IRL

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the master chief is higly regarded

spiral jewel Nov 3, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Aside from John-117 how many people currently have the rank of Master Chief Petty Officer as of 2560. Not just Spartans but actual navy personnel in the Halo Universe?

gilded mason Nov 3, 2019, 11:37 PM

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A lot.

stoic hamlet Nov 3, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Apologies for this but:

man, this really annoys me

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Right

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Yeah, there are a lot. John isn’t special, the rank isn’t special, it’s just a rank, no more, no less.

fair hazel Nov 4, 2019, 12:04 AM

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he us siecuaj

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Gesundheit

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Sierra 117 should probably have more impact and recognizability, do you agree Eternal?

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 12:17 AM

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I think halo 4 did a good job portraying that and the field manuel describing him as a legend or a god among men

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 12:17 AM

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Gross.

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 12:27 AM

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^^^^^

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Come on the ending speech with every Spartan stopping to gaze at a living legend and the fact that every post war media that mentions him have everyone want to be like him or his mention in HW2 with juroeme being proud of his accomplishments

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 12:35 AM

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No thank you.

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 12:35 AM

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Why

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Because it’s dumb

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 12:40 AM

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I like it, to an extent

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Anyway, Jerome was -unknowingly- echoing a sentiment also voiced by Maria-062. It’s not like this regard for Chief is really new.

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Where did Jerome echo a sentiment?

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Saying he was glad to know John was still out there is in the same vein as Maria saying everyone would sleep better at night once he got Mark VI

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 12:44 AM

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I still don’t like it.

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It’s still dumb

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The worship

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The idea that he has somehow made an entire rank special

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Etc, etc

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 12:45 AM

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His call sign should get more fanfare than his rank, as I suggested earlier.

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 12:45 AM

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I’d agree with that. That would be a good compromise

proud quail Nov 4, 2019, 12:51 AM

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the hero worship is just tickling the player ego and making the chief a more significant character to play

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Doesn’t change the fact that it’s dumb

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You don’t see games like Call of Duty, or Medal or Honour, or Battlefield etc, etc do that.

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 12:54 AM

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His callsign is special that is literally what they used for his name in the end of halo 3 not masterchief not Spartan not his name but 117

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 12:55 AM

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or Mount and Blade, or Titanfall, etc

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 12:58 AM

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Because there not that special jack Cooper was a rookie that was just lucky and skilled , prices team had a ship named after them and I don't know about medal if honor

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 12:58 AM

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Titanfall is not comparable

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Because it’s only had two installments, and one had no proper campaign

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 12:59 AM

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The point I’m making is hero worship isn’t needed for a good protagonist, or to recognize their deeds.

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 1:00 AM

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You do see “anti-worship” in Portal. Heh.

steady elbow Nov 4, 2019, 1:01 AM

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and then hero worshipping in half life 2

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 1:03 AM

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And the doomslayer

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Well it actually more fear

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:03 AM

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I’m not saying hero worship doesn’t occur

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Just that it’s not needed, especially in a more “Grounded” setting like Halo

steady elbow Nov 4, 2019, 1:04 AM

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yeah I get your point about how it isn't too realistic

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but then again I'm not too cranky about small details like this either

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 1:05 AM

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oni bad, marine corps good

steady elbow Nov 4, 2019, 1:05 AM

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I suppose his legendary status in the original trilogy came from the fact that he was the "last spartan remaining"

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Haaa hero worship has been in halo since 2 halo 3 entire campaign and marketing is that masterchief is the only hope left the last Spartan there's a cutscene where two Marines see masterchief coming and they lose their minds

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Which wasn’t true even slightly.

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Also it wasn’t that it was John, it’s that they saw “A Spartan”

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 1:12 AM

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And any Spartans a legend it's the entire reason they say Spartans never die

steady elbow Nov 4, 2019, 1:15 AM

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halo 3, second mission first cutscene

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I don't know anything about halo 5+ but before that, s117 was the last known remaining spartan

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 1:16 AM

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That’s not true

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:19 AM

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He never was

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Ever

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In-universe anyway

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Even out of universe

steady elbow Nov 4, 2019, 1:19 AM

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yeah sorry, haven't read the books so my knowledge is strictly in-game

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Though it could be argued during CE, since all the others were trapped on Reach as it was being invaded and the other one with him was clinically dead.

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Gamma Company though @gilded mason

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And Owen and Hazel

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And Kevin

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Thought this was about SIIs.

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:21 AM

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And Maria

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 1:21 AM

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And I meant at the time CE came out.

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:21 AM

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“The Last Spartan” I took to mean in general

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Ah yeah fair.

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But since First Strike we’ve known he never was

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Sure, yeah.

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:22 AM

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And in-universe he never was

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But yeah.

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I get what you mean

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 1:22 AM

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During all Spartans aside from grey team and maybe black team were on onyx and by the end the planet was destroyed not that hard to imagine why they thought they were all dead

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Naomi

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And again, Maria

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And then if we include III’s there’s literally hundreds

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 1:23 AM

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And the 3s were on onyx

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:24 AM

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Not Gamma

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They deployed

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Only 15 of them remained on Onyx

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But 315 were deployed

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 1:24 AM

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So what happen to the 300

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:25 AM

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They were likely sent behind the lines, but by the time they arrived/were reassigned to defend Earth the war ended

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They’re still in action post war

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IIRC the last chronological story before H5 has a Gamma kill Avu’Med Telcam, from K-5.

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She blows his brains out, if I recall.

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 1:27 AM

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”Wort”

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Sup

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 1:27 AM

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-‘Telcam’s last word.

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Ugh

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Lol

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Let's agree to disagree I like the heroism of halo and how they acknowledge them u like the realism of them being professional I think

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 1:29 AM

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What? It’s an iconic line

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Go go

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Just, y'know. Considering Telcam's importance and all that. And then his only line in his death comic is "Wort".

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 1:32 AM

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To be fair

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Tales from Slipspace is fairly weak overall

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:33 AM

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I agree with that

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Yeah

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:33 AM

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I liked that story and not much else

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 1:33 AM

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The best story is hands down Something Has Happened IMO

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:33 AM

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It’s not terrible.

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But it’s not amazing

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 1:33 AM

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but even then, the inclusion of a BR85 is.. painful

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Oh I forgot that was in there

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 1:34 AM

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And then the one Blue Team comic... that’s not canon. It can’t be. mccpizza

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Oh yeah that one lol

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 1:49 AM

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And undefeated is good too

stable schooner Nov 4, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Lol is his last words really Wort

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 2:02 AM

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I don’t think he says anything

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I can check though

obsidian thistle Nov 4, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Note we have no idea what wort means

remote spruce Nov 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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curse word

obsidian thistle Nov 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Other than it has a meaning but when it was almost given it was taken away from us in Envoy

remote spruce Nov 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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cries
wait really?

obsidian thistle Nov 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Yes really

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 3:55 AM

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I actually don’t remember that.

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TLDR?

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 3:56 AM

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“Wort wort wort!” the Sangheili shouted, feet thudding as they leapt for safety. She knew what that meant, but her brain was too fuzzy to translate after exerting the energy it took to steady herself and throw the grenade.
Dang it, Melody.

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Though it matches the previously understood "Go go go."

remote spruce Nov 4, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Tobias you troll

versed helm Nov 4, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Honestly

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To me wort is probably a rough human approximation of a sound we can't really make (I mean, I can't really emulate how it originally sounded in-game)

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And is one of those sorta weird words that translates to a concept that English doesn't encapsulate in one word

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Like to me it could almost be the equivalent of something like "d a m n" but maybe it can also be used in the manner of urging someone forwards and can be be repeated in quick succession for emphasis.

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Kind of a general purpose urgency/danger catch-all

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Would make sense.

versed helm Nov 4, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Try being a Sangheili and attempting to speak certain words

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I.e

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Evan Philisssssss

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Man it'd be pretty sick to hear the oddities of Sangheili speech actually manifest in game

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But I guess it'd ruin the Arbiter's gravitas, right? xD

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 6:35 AM

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It'd be cute.

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I heard that before, but I could never find the passage talking about it

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Know the quote?

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I see.

sacred dew Nov 4, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Like a lizard with a beard thinkingchief

versed helm Nov 4, 2019, 7:11 AM

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQiMnJdjLKAHhfZTBaAR3Ch1yr-1SdM3PxgmCTyOhaHGSoTyoDz

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Called a bearded dragon

stable schooner Nov 4, 2019, 7:12 AM

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8/10

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 12:52 PM

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10/10 with rice.

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Bearded dragon with rice.....that sounds good....

versed helm Nov 4, 2019, 1:03 PM

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I knew because there's a pub called the bearded dragon in the general vicinity of where I live

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I'm not like a lizard expert or anything

steady elbow Nov 4, 2019, 3:22 PM

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if I were a lizard with a beard

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I'd be pretty smug too

versed helm Nov 4, 2019, 3:29 PM

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I used to have a bearded dragon

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weird animals

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Phillissssssss

carmine sleet Nov 4, 2019, 3:41 PM

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The AI from Red Vs Blue? They're not canon to Halo

versed helm Nov 4, 2019, 4:05 PM

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You know who is? MB

last anchor Nov 4, 2019, 4:13 PM

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And t hank god for that

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But yes, Wort is probably the Elite equivilent of "random panicked noise", doesnt really have a meaning

main rivet Nov 4, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Or it’s like “Cree” in Stargate where it means a bunch of things depending on context.

last anchor Nov 4, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Ye

stoic hamlet Nov 4, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Can someone replace every Wort with “random panicked noise” as a spoken sentence in MCC PC? Please?

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Someone please do that

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It’d be hilarious.

versed helm Nov 4, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Actually

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One small detail I find to be interesting is the observation by Dr Evan Phillips that the Sangheili and other species of the Covenant would be left feeling confused/offended when a human smiled at them.

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The impetus being that when a human smiles, it is typically as a gesture of contentment or being satisfied at something, where Sangheili associated it with predators/animals baring their teeth in anticipation of fighting.

terse lava Nov 4, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Question, just got Oblivion and noted a comment that the covenant lost a beacon 5000 cycles ago. Have we been given a proper cycle/ year conversion rate as the covenant was only 3400 years old? Or did I miss a retcon?

gilded mason Nov 4, 2019, 8:59 PM

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It's been said cycles can mean several different things and don't translate well to human calenders.

terse lava Nov 4, 2019, 9:04 PM

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True, at first I thought it was referencing the luminary from broken circle until it clarified

obsidian thistle Nov 4, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Cycles are odd. Units are odd.

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I tried to calculate stuff

terse lava Nov 4, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Couldnt we get something from broken circle that says the reformists left their homeworld 1000 cycles ago?

feral perch Nov 4, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Cycles may reset based on military campaigns, I heard.

humble yacht Nov 4, 2019, 9:50 PM

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What determines a new Age of Reclamation? Appointment of new High Prophets?

terse lava Nov 4, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Figured new technology

carmine sleet Nov 4, 2019, 10:09 PM

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The beginning of the Human-Covenant War was declared a new Age of Reclamation in Contact Harvest, if I recall correctly

humble yacht Nov 4, 2019, 10:33 PM

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The ninth age

obsidian thistle Nov 5, 2019, 12:12 AM

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So did y'all see the stuff Halopedia recovered? :)

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Cause like I still totally love the Alpha-9 Interviews.

meager delta Nov 5, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Btw was there different varieties of the helljumpers armor

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Or just the one that's in all Halo games

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Different varieties

meager delta Nov 5, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Ok thanks

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Two different ones could be seen at the same time in Fireteam Raven

meager delta Nov 5, 2019, 12:46 AM

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I never played fire team Raven

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Haven't been to Dave and Buster's in a while

fair hazel Nov 5, 2019, 12:48 AM

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i've played fireteam raven, ther'es one downtown montreal

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speaking of, I should see where to go to have the list updated

leaden cobalt Nov 5, 2019, 12:53 AM

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the odst team from operation spearbreaker in halo wars also used different armors as well

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 12:58 AM

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@obsidian thistle I remember those, they were a nice touch to the game advertisements

obsidian thistle Nov 5, 2019, 1:00 AM

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I totally love that Live Action Website. Really was one of the best ways to introduce Alpha-9.

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 1:00 AM

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@humble yacht if I recall, before the whole human relevation, wasnt it commented that harvest was the largest concentration of forerunner relics found in a few ages?

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@obsidian thistletrue, the odst "traning" trailer was another nice touch to those too.

obsidian thistle Nov 5, 2019, 1:02 AM

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It was the companion piece to that after all ;)

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Indeed

obsidian thistle Nov 5, 2019, 1:03 AM

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The Life (We Are ODST) trailer release coincideded with the Pre-Mission Evaluation. With the trailer having a code in it for the Website.

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Was not aware of that part, nice

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Hopefully we will get one as good for infinite

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Wasn't that because the luminary identified humans as relics or reclaimers

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Yes, but at that time they were not aware of that.

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Is nizat special like in age or something because in oblivion he says he's a hundred or so years old

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 2:22 AM

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He has served in the military for about 200 Earth years.

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I imagine that's not near the limit considering how spry he still is.

feral perch Nov 5, 2019, 2:25 AM

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The longer lifespan could be due to their size. Assuming they have a slower metabolism than humans, they probably age at a slower rate.

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Man remember when we thought Thel was old

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 2:27 AM

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But man, I really hope Nizat is still alive by 2559.

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And Tam, too.

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Is that his sidekick the one who killed the prophet in silent Storm to save him

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Ye.

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The dynamic duo.

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Good cop bad cop

vital mauve Nov 5, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Elite literally gets his insides smashed like a boss

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Hm?

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 3:28 AM

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@gilded mason200? The book only said he had served in the military for 100

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Denning confirmed Nizat was thinking in Sanghelios years.

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Which last twice as long as Earth years.

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 3:30 AM

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This is why I love sangheili

lucid jackal Nov 5, 2019, 3:32 AM

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Wort

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 3:32 AM

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I wonder what the tale.though is behind the lost beacon. Vanished with a fleet "5000" cycles ago and the covenant only know the it ended up at the center of the galaxy

humble yacht Nov 5, 2019, 3:32 AM

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man, that's a long time between birthdays

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Makes u wonder how long brute life spans are

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Well there was that one chieftain from the atriox comics that been living since before the Covenant encountered the brutes

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61 years

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 7:58 AM

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That could mean anything from they were born just before the Covenant brought them into the fold to them having been old enough to serve in the Covenant military when they first arrived

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 1:21 PM

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The madmax looking one

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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What?

last anchor Nov 5, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Also don't forget that reptiles tend to live long as well.
That probably explains Sangheili age too.

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Also yeah the Brutes were only in the Covenant for like 200 years or so I think

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Not even that long.

last anchor Nov 5, 2019, 5:27 PM

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So yeah its entirely possible for there to be Brutes alive in the Halo trilogy that remember the time before.
Considering it was basically them living in Atomicbombia...

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They were probably pretty happy to join up

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 5:27 PM

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As of 2552, only 60 years.

last anchor Nov 5, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Jeez...

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 5:27 PM

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They’re good bois

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 6:05 PM

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one of the more odd things on the brutes. Bungie commenting on them bring the "barbarians of Rome", and the feud between them and sangheili called "ancient" did make it sound like they were in the covenant for at least 200 years

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 6:06 PM

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I guess some of that early Halo oddness.

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Not terribly odd, until their offucal intrigues to the covenant came

obsidian thistle Nov 5, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Thankfully statements are not as set in stone as "released" media and so on.

hasty locust Nov 5, 2019, 6:08 PM

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True dat

remote spruce Nov 5, 2019, 6:09 PM

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even though that sounds better than what we got

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 6:11 PM

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@obsidian thistlenot saying it was bad, just feels odd

obsidian thistle Nov 5, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Yea

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Actually on the topic, had it been up to you, how long would each client race be in the covenant? @obsidian thistle

obsidian thistle Nov 5, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Tbh I dont know. And as the answers are already there, I'd rather work with what exists than re-write stuff.

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Fair enough

stable schooner Nov 5, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Dang that statement sounds better then what we actually got

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Hm?

stable schooner Nov 5, 2019, 6:56 PM

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About the Feud being ancient. The Brutes being apart of the Covenant for only half a century is crazy when the Covenant is over 3000 years old.

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 6:58 PM

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True

stable schooner Nov 5, 2019, 7:00 PM

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It’s like I don’t know how Truth expected to win against the Elites with such small amount of preparation. He couldn’t even fend off the Elites at the Ark

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 7:06 PM

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You know, I can't remember which exact lore stated Truth actually wanted to genocide the sangheili. Broken circle has that one underling of his comment that the sangheili were only to be demoted. Contact Harveatvhad Truth himself say that while a.grunt rebellion may unbalance the covenant for a.time, a sangheili revolt would shatter it.

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Here's some lines from Broken Circle that certainly paint the "Genocide" picture.
“Noble Hierarch, are we now ready to take action?” demanded Tartarus. “The Jiralhanae in my confidence are hungry for it—and I am impatient to set our plans into motion.
“An Honor Guard made up of Elites, as you well know, was there to protect him. This regrettable death has opened the door for us all, however. Already the forces around the human world have been . . . changed; the Brutes now control those fleets, and the Elites suspect nothing at all.


“There’s more—I have gathered much information since we last met. Truth has apparently sent special orders to Brutes stationed around Earth. Why would he be giving such orders, from here? That task is below him. And orders only for the Jiralhanae? He’s also sent another fleet to Earth—again, not a job for his high station. Why? And according to data I’ve acquired from comptroller files, he has already placed a large order with the Sacred Promissory—the weapons armory here on High Charity—but he has kept this quiet even now. The order, as I understand it, is the mass production of traditional Brute weaponry. It appears to me at least that he is arming the Brutes to a perilous degree. I personally believe that he is setting a trap for your people—and reaching for full control of the Covenant.”

...

“What I mean to say is: if Truth takes such an action, it will most certainly lead to war. Civil war, Zo!”

“I suspect Truth may welcome a civil war with the Elites; that is likely his very trap. He can then eliminate them quickly—and consolidate his strength with the Brutes . . .”```

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Wasn't truth the only one who wanted the brutes higher because he wanted more power and they were more obedient so they wouldn't ask questions about the war like the elites

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Yeah.

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Man that's like the halo version of order 66

stable schooner Nov 5, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Other then that last Paragraph I didn’t really detect genocide

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Yeah, a bit more subtle in the earlier quotes.

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Of course, we then have Truth ordering all the councilors in the Control Room murdered. Which would have definitely sparkeda civil war if one hadn't already begun.

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Sounds more like weakening the elites to a level where they can't fight back

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 7:27 PM

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That allows for an easier genocide if they're unable to fight back

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Yeah.

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Yep

sonic ridge Nov 5, 2019, 7:44 PM

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You know the polearm naginata kinda thing the Sangheilis have

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Not the energy one the metal one

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What metal is it made from

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Polearm naginata?

sonic ridge Nov 5, 2019, 7:45 PM

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They got the polearm

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Looks like a naginata but it has the Sangheili sword on it

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 7:46 PM

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That still doesn't answer my question, what is a naginata?

sonic ridge Nov 5, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Oh

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It’s a polearm with a sword on it kinda I guess

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 7:47 PM

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https://www.medievalcollectibles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/SH1020.png

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Ah, I see

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Also, do you have a link to the Halo weapon you're talking about?

sonic ridge Nov 5, 2019, 7:48 PM

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No

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 7:48 PM

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I know what he’s talking about

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It’s a Glaive, not a Naginata

sonic ridge Nov 5, 2019, 7:48 PM

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I just remember it from that one bit in halo legends and I’m pretty sure they have them in cutscenes in halo 2

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It’s a glaive

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 7:49 PM

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A Naginata has a thinner blade

sonic ridge Nov 5, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Alright

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Do you know what material the blade is made of

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 7:49 PM

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@gilded mason @carmine sleet I believe he’s referring to Energy Staves?

sonic ridge Nov 5, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Well like the old ones

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Not energy

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 7:50 PM

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The ones used in HW1

proud quail Nov 5, 2019, 7:50 PM

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you mean the energy staves?

sonic ridge Nov 5, 2019, 7:50 PM

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I’m planning on using a Sangheili in a gurps and it’s fantasy so I’d be using the metal one

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 7:50 PM

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That’s.....what I said, yeah 😛

proud quail Nov 5, 2019, 7:50 PM

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speaking of energy staves

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which is more practical

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energy lances or energy staves

sonic ridge Nov 5, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Stave

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Stave definitely

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Allows for cutting

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And slashing instead of just thrusting

proud quail Nov 5, 2019, 7:51 PM

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i always thought you can cut through a stave anyway

sonic ridge Nov 5, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Do you know the material of the stave tho

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 7:53 PM

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No idea.

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I don’t think it’s been said

sonic ridge Nov 5, 2019, 7:56 PM

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F

sacred dew Nov 5, 2019, 8:10 PM

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How fast do grunts grow
Is it like ur fighting teenagers for how fast they grow

subtle depot Nov 5, 2019, 9:28 PM

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More like six year olds. They have the same mental capacity at least

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 9:29 PM

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How so?

versed helm Nov 5, 2019, 9:30 PM

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I mean there is no "so".

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Obviously Grunts aren't that dumb.

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Like, the most cursory reading of any of the EU would make that abundantly clear.

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Specifically The Flood, Contact Harvest or Legacy of Onyx.

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 9:31 PM

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And Stolt. ❤

versed helm Nov 5, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Our boi

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But yeah

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This is part of the reason I kinda despise the overuse of grunt "humour".

hasty locust Nov 5, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Yap yap

versed helm Nov 5, 2019, 9:32 PM

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It leads to certain uncomfortable misconceptions.

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Dimkee Hotay was decent though

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That was just sorta clever anecdotes with characteristic Grunt speech patterns tho

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And that's another thing

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 9:33 PM

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I'm also not a fan of that humor's overabundance because of their species' overall hand in life being pretty...not good.

versed helm Nov 5, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Grunts speaking simplistically and using strange combinations of words doesn't indicate low intelligence

hasty locust Nov 5, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Well my head canon is, that most grunts are indeed “dumb” at least the ones living on high charity, because generations and generations of being bred as canon fodder, I don’t think the hierarchs would fund grunt school

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Feels like a weird disconnect

versed helm Nov 5, 2019, 9:34 PM

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The Flood emphasizes that Grunt speech in particular was kinda difficult for translation

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So the way they speak could, in-universe, just be attributed to that

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Maybe.

hasty locust Nov 5, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Grunt school would be kind of hilarious

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How would the write with their massive “claw like” hands?

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 9:40 PM

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But they did have grunt seminaries for those who would become deacons. Pretty much religious college

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 9:41 PM

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so whats is yalls opinion on halo infinite

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 9:42 PM

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My opinion is that I hope it is good. And has playable Elites.

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 9:43 PM

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im really confused on the emphasis of the game, the trailer showed the pilot in space and masterchief also... but then we see masterchief holding his helmet to his side and a group of injured marines droppping a signalling flare

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 9:43 PM

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I hope that it changes up the gameplay in a satisfying way and tells a good story that many enjoy

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 9:43 PM

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im really confused on the emphasis of the game, the trailer showed the pilot in space and masterchief also... but then we see masterchief holding his helmet to his side and a group of injured marines droppping a signalling flare

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 9:43 PM

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The first trailer isn't a story trailer

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 9:43 PM

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well i know that

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but halo has never really showed us anything that hasnt had even a miniscule role in the story

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or atleast the game in general

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 9:44 PM

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The teaser trailers rarely have much to do with the story

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To use an example, sure, we saw a bubble shield in the Halo 3 Believe trailer, but it wasn't in the form that we know from the actual game

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 9:45 PM

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well i cant tell the difference between teaser trailer and a story cutscene, the art is the same beautiful work

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fav game?

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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ODST for story, Halo 5 for multiplayer

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Halo 2. Best story for me

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Halo 4 is a close second for me as well

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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I don’t really have a fave for story

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Honestly I feel Halo really doesn’t have a good story in the games

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Shoot me

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Well, if you insist!

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 9:48 PM

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But compared to several other games it really falls flat. Even Halo 4.

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That’s not necessarily a negative.

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But I’d be lying if I said Halo’s game story is appealing

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It’s no Wolfenstein, or God of War, or Last of US, or Red Dead.

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 9:52 PM

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ok man I can see where your coming from and to me everone has a right to an opinion

supple salmon Nov 5, 2019, 9:52 PM

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I fell in love with the universe of Halo

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Not exactly the preset stories

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But when they’re together, it truly is appealing as a whole

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 9:53 PM

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I’d agree

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The books are miles ahead of Halo’s games in terms of storytelling and emotional connection, IMO

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 9:54 PM

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its just that most of the people who love halo, and i think i speak for most everyone when i say this. The people who love this had a special connection with the game. my childhood was ok but what really lit it up was thinking that in this world of bad, i could read, or even visit a universe with a hero of the likes of masterchief. a world where i can feel safe since a total badass is out saving the world.

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the halo world is much like our everyday life. We all play the hero and no matter what we do, we never get rest from evil, and most of us are the background marines, and the few rise to the top like chief did and help the world as a whole.

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 9:56 PM

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See, the games never appealed to me in that sense. I suppose it was because the books were my only real way to consume Halo for years (and they’ve since returned to that position) that John never really grew on me. He’s bland compared to other Spartans, like Kurt, and Fred, and Lucy and Tom. I love Halo because John is just “there” for a lot of the story, he’s just another soldier, not special.

But that’s sadly changing.

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 9:57 PM

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that is true

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sometimes the background characters have a deeper story than the rest

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thats why so many people love halo reach

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noble 6 was an outlying character that had really no meaning to the halo story until his story was told

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Chief wasn't really a background character given that he is the protagonist within the games

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 9:58 PM

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no im saying noble 6 was a background character until halo reach

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in fact he was virtually unknown

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 9:59 PM

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He still is, lol

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 9:59 PM

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well yea lol

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in the halo saga

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but to the people who lived his story and watched him develop as a soldier, he is a bleeding legend

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 10:00 PM

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All we know about Six is that they're a man, they're a Spartan III from Beta and that they were pulled out of Beta before the mission that got the majority of Beta company killed

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Not including what happens in Reach

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 10:00 PM

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^^^

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 10:00 PM

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yes, and he was an assassin who killed many a enemy

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 10:00 PM

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He wasn’t an assassin

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He was likely a Headhunter

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 10:00 PM

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hold on

feral perch Nov 5, 2019, 10:01 PM

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He was someone's personal assassin, right?

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 10:01 PM

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You don't need to be a trained assassin to assassinate someone

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 10:02 PM

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well halsey and im reading it noww

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 10:02 PM

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He wasn’t Halsey’s assassin

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 10:02 PM

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he wasnt

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im trying to say what she said

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 10:02 PM

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“He’s made entire Mikita groups disappear”

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That trailer isn’t necessarily canon.

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Actually it can’t be

winter night Nov 5, 2019, 10:03 PM

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halsey said that he was a hyper-lethal spartan and he shared that title with only one other spartan

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Which has been retconned

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 10:03 PM

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aaaa

carmine sleet Nov 5, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Disappear could mean anything given we have no idea what those kinds of ops would've been like

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 10:04 PM

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aaaa

stoic hamlet Nov 5, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Which has been retconned

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(Thank god for that)

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Heh

proud quail Nov 5, 2019, 11:00 PM

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hyperlethal as an official military term hurts me

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it's the sort of thing you'd come up with trying to describe your _ the hedgehog OC

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Yeah.

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 11:09 PM

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"Behold, project "Reaper," armor crafted from forerunner warrior servant combat skins. Includes duel wielded beam rifles, energy blade nails, fuel rod grade hand cannons and interplanetary travel. Truly it will make any soldier the most hyper lethal ever"

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I feel unclean just typing that for laughs

gilded mason Nov 5, 2019, 11:10 PM

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lol

proud quail Nov 5, 2019, 11:12 PM

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thank you for your sacrifice

terse lava Nov 5, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Welcome

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Truly it will earn me a place in the mausoleum of the overpowered

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Come to think of it, I wonder when the mausoleum of the arbiter was built? Was it with the city, or perhaps met only for the first covenant arbiter as their own, and only later began use for all following arbiters

stable schooner Nov 5, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Grunts are cowardly and Obedient on average but I wouldn’t call them Dumb. Just a little hyper and lax.

remote spruce Nov 5, 2019, 11:56 PM

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High Council got most of their deaths from banzai charging the ape with the hammer

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canonize this pls

stable schooner Nov 6, 2019, 12:00 AM

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If Tartarus didn’t have those Broken Shields those Elites would have stomped his Gorilla Butt.

terse lava Nov 6, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Indeed

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Dont think we have ever got a.reason why he even had those shields

supple salmon Nov 6, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Why was Six being hyperlethal retconned? That was a nifty tidbit about him?

trail wyvern Nov 6, 2019, 12:12 AM

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When was that even retconned?

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 12:12 AM

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nifty
Eh...

supple salmon Nov 6, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Made him the SIII like how each generation has their standout
-Spartan 1: Johnson
-Spartan 2: John
-Spartan 3: Six
-Spartan 4: well either Locke or Palmer

feral perch Nov 6, 2019, 12:33 AM

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No Spartan exclusively holds that designation now

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All Spartans are hyper-lethal

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As per the Spartan Field Manual, iirc

terse lava Nov 6, 2019, 12:36 AM

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There really was nothing unique with 6, he only had hyper lethal due to being a.player character to make him neat

stable schooner Nov 6, 2019, 12:44 AM

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I always thought the shields came from the Fist of Rukt.

terse lava Nov 6, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Maybe but if so, how and why only now?

stable schooner Nov 6, 2019, 1:23 AM

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Well we see the Hammers energy can be shot like a bolt like he does against Spark and Arbiter. Maybe he’s instead projecting that energy around him as some sort of Shield In the final battle

terse lava Nov 6, 2019, 1:28 AM

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An idea yea

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:36 AM

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an SIV standout would've been Thorne, personally

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But Six being a standout for IIIs is icky when you have actual characters like the Ferrets

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:40 AM

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hey can someone explain to me why Nobel team all died in one game but master chief was a lone wolf and managed to survive

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the reason im asking is because shouldunt the armour for spartan 3 be better

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?

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Noble Team was written to die against an unstoppable force

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:41 AM

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wdym written

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Chief not so much

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Lore wise, Noble Team was vastly outgunned and outnumbered and Reach was a losing battle for the UNSC

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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but they were a whole team

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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written as in they're an expendable cast to emphasize on the fact reach for the UNSC sucked

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they're a whole team, yeah, but six spartans can only do so much for an entire covenant fleet

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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oh

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thx

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:43 AM

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as for whether or not their armour's better or not

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:43 AM

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also didnt reach already fall before spartan 3s

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:43 AM

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i dont even like the introduction of Mjolnir for III's instead of just SPI, but MKV[B] wasnt better

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iirc it was either on par or worse

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:44 AM

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...

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:44 AM

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I know it used a lot of standard issued stuff modified

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which explains why you had all the armour attachments

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:45 AM

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ok

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:45 AM

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"also didnt reach already fall before spartan 3s"

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there was a book, fall of reach

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:45 AM

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ya

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it was with 117

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:45 AM

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but when reach came out that book was kinda ignored lol

deep pewter Nov 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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No, SIIIs were developed before the fall of Reach

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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which came with it some lore inconsistencies but since then it's been revised? i think?

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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wait

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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SIIIs werent written in until after the fall of reach

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which is what i think he meant

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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spartan 3 r younger or older then 2s

deep pewter Nov 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Our timeline, yeah

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In-universe, no

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 1:46 AM

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spartan 3 r younger or older then 2s
Younger.

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:47 AM

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spartan IIIs are younger

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a whole decade younger i think?

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:47 AM

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then whats No, SIIIs were developed before the fall of Reach

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:47 AM

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SIIIs as a concept weren't written until after the fall of reach came out in ghosts of onyx

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:47 AM

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or am i just small brain and not getting it

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 1:47 AM

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As in, Spartan 3's were made before 2552

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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when they were written in, they were developed before the actual fall of reach event

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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oh but they werent part of it???

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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not until Halo:Reach the game came out, no

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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ohhhhhhhh

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Alpha and Beta Companies were reported KIA, Gamma were deployed elsewhere

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:49 AM

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so i am small brain

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ok

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lol

proud quail Nov 6, 2019, 1:50 AM

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nah, it just means we invested too much time in halo's lore.

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:50 AM

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oh

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ok

sonic ridge Nov 6, 2019, 1:50 AM

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I like Maccabeus

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 1:50 AM

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rip

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:51 AM

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what/

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@sonic ridge

sonic ridge Nov 6, 2019, 1:51 AM

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He’s the brute ship master guy in contact harvest

brazen vortex Nov 6, 2019, 1:51 AM

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oh

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him

sonic ridge Nov 6, 2019, 1:51 AM

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I only read the first chapter with him

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For his stuff

terse lava Nov 6, 2019, 2:13 AM

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He was actually not bad. More formal and humble

sacred dew Nov 6, 2019, 4:38 AM

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That's Tartarus uncle right

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 4:39 AM

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Yup

jaunty latch Nov 6, 2019, 4:41 AM

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yes ma'am

terse lava Nov 6, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Had he won fighting tartarus I wonder how things would change

main rivet Nov 6, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Not much I imagine. Maccabaeus was more devout, he wouldn’t have contested the Prophets’ moves.

terse lava Nov 6, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Huh? He was more devoted but was questioning his final orders on wiping out the Humans

stable schooner Nov 6, 2019, 6:46 PM

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This is why I Love Brutes Good Complex Characters when they actually get some spotlight.

main rivet Nov 6, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Would he actually have rebelled against the Prophets, especially when they started favoring the brutes? I highly doubt it.

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His only compunction against destroying the humans was trying to get the relics, not that he really cared about exterminating them or not.

tawdry galleon Nov 6, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Timeline of the Human-Covenant War
https://www.halopedia.org/images/thumb/c/c4/Human-Covenant_War_composite.png/1188px-Human-Covenant_War_composite.png

Part I: The War Begins: 2525 - 2531
https://www.halodiehards.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/angraufharvest.jpg

February 11-22, 2525: First Battle of Harvest: The Colonial Militia on Harvest led by Captain Ponder and Staff Sergeants Johnson and Byrne resist the assaults by the Brute ship on select towns on the planet by shuttling as many civilians as possible to the planet’s capital city, Utgard. They then send these people safely aboard the Freighters on top of the seven space elevators present on Harvest, the Tiara.

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February 23, 2525: First Battle of Harvest: The evacuation of civilians from Harvest begins. In the process, 22-23,000 civilians are killed by the invading Covenant forces.

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 8:16 PM

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2552
🤔

tawdry galleon Nov 6, 2019, 8:16 PM

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23rd Age of Doubt: Age of Reclamation: The scheming Prophets known as Ord Casto, Hod Rumnt, and Lod Mron, usurp the Hierarchs and become the new High Prophets of Truth (Casto), Mercy (Rumnt), and Regret (Mron). The High Prophets declare holy war on the humans in order to prevent any of the Covenant from discovering their true place as the Forerunner’s heirs. The Prophets recommission the Luminary as a means to locate human planets, and the Human-Covenant War officially begins. The Ninth Age of Reclamation begins in the Covenant.

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@gilded mason whoops typo sorry

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Also, why are you posting this.

tawdry galleon Nov 6, 2019, 8:17 PM

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They're the same dates so I get them mixed up sometimes 😄

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I dunno I'm bored and I like writing lol

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Seems sort of spammy.

tawdry galleon Nov 6, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Oh sorry I just thought people would be interested. Sorry 😦

humble yacht Nov 6, 2019, 8:21 PM

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I think we’re more interested in back-and-forth discussions and less about a presentation that we could find on the wiki

tawdry galleon Nov 6, 2019, 8:24 PM

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NVM sorry about that. I was just writing in my own details about said events so people could see when they took place and such and maybe talk about it; it's kinda dumb but i like lore history so sorry about that.

humble yacht Nov 6, 2019, 8:24 PM

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That’s fine, most people in this channel like lore

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It’s just an unsolicited summary of the war is a bit much

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Something like that would be better for a blog

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 8:26 PM

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Yup.

tawdry galleon Nov 6, 2019, 8:29 PM

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NVM

sacred dew Nov 6, 2019, 9:31 PM

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What do you guys think the 20 ships in oblivion were on one hand I want to say there cso class because there bigger than cas but humanity would have been royal stomped if they were

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Humanity was royally stomped.

stoic hamlet Nov 6, 2019, 9:31 PM

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They were CAS, IIRC

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And yeah.

sacred dew Nov 6, 2019, 9:32 PM

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No there were 200cas and 20 larger classes

stoic hamlet Nov 6, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Probably CSO’s then

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Or some intermediate ship

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 9:33 PM

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CSO seems more likely since I don't think we've seen any in-between ships yet.

stoic hamlet Nov 6, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Mhm. Until it’s been clarified better to assume that they’re CSO’s

feral perch Nov 6, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Twenty CSOs?

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Nah, no way.

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Yes way.

feral perch Nov 6, 2019, 9:50 PM

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That’s beyond overkill. Clustering so many in one spot is just negligent.

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Actually, it was said they were all just about to leave to parts unknown

feral perch Nov 6, 2019, 9:50 PM

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The frickin’ 28 kilometer warships?

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Over Netherop?

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 9:50 PM

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So they were probably all headed to separate places

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No, they were originally at High Charity

feral perch Nov 6, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Oh, okay then.

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I thought he meant there were twenty CSOs in the battle above Netherop.

gilded mason Nov 6, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Nah

feral perch Nov 6, 2019, 9:51 PM

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That would be a clusterfrag

main rivet Nov 6, 2019, 9:52 PM

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More to the point there’s no way anyone else would have lasted long enough for the timespan of the book or the Spartans to be exfil’d.

sacred dew Nov 6, 2019, 10:20 PM

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One cso would have stomped the planet itself

terse lava Nov 6, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Actually it was said they were heading off to go face humanity

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May actually help explain the lack of surprise at the size of the long night of solace at Reach. Humanity Must have had reports of them before

obsidian thistle Nov 6, 2019, 10:40 PM

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The CSO is a glorified support ship. Its kinda funny

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It needs the CAS and other ship types to be really effective

terse lava Nov 6, 2019, 11:19 PM

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With their vast size, and now the lore addition of "luminal beacons," used for finding halos, thinking the now dubbed megacarriers were used for travel to otherv arms of the galaxy with that goal in mind

terse lava Nov 7, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Otherwise, feels pointless to have such a large vessel when you have stations that are the same size and can service multiple vessels at once

last anchor Nov 7, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Considering the one CSO we know of was knocked out by a Spartan team...yeah. You need proper screening support for em

stoic hamlet Nov 7, 2019, 2:48 AM

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two, technically

terse lava Nov 7, 2019, 3:01 AM

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Wouldn't count the other that was an accident

sacred dew Nov 7, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Didn't The lnos only got destroyed because they used a slipspace bomb or they would have to call in almost all the remaining fleets and reach would have already been lost and that was without the invasion fleet

gilded mason Nov 7, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Say again?

gilded mason Nov 7, 2019, 4:37 AM

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Oh.

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Maybe.

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A bunch of other ships showed up immediately afterwards anyway, so one extra ship might not mean much, even if it was a CSO.

sacred dew Nov 7, 2019, 4:45 AM

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No they thought it was just the long night thats why it was such a gut punch when the fleet arrived

deep pewter Nov 7, 2019, 4:46 AM

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I mean the flight that arrived kinda sat around for over a week so I don’t think one more ship would’ve changed much

terse lava Nov 7, 2019, 5:15 AM

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I do wonder why rho bothered going groundside

gilded mason Nov 7, 2019, 5:17 AM

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Did he?

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I had thought he stayed on his ship.

ebon heron Nov 7, 2019, 5:27 AM

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https://youtu.be/DJ-x2KvgLsk?t=262

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oi this is a hilarious halo reference

versed helm Nov 7, 2019, 7:40 AM

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any of you remember the halo guy named Joe ?

gilded mason Nov 7, 2019, 7:40 AM

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I remember Joe Mama.

versed helm Nov 7, 2019, 7:41 AM

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well played

terse lava Nov 7, 2019, 1:16 PM

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@gilded masono met bringing the carrier groundside

sacred dew Nov 7, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Whos rho?

versed helm Nov 7, 2019, 4:10 PM

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rho mama

gilded mason Nov 7, 2019, 5:30 PM

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@terse lava
Huh, don't remember that.

terse lava Nov 7, 2019, 7:05 PM

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@gilded masonut was hoving above those spires

sacred dew Nov 7, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Wah

gilded mason Nov 7, 2019, 7:23 PM

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I think your messages keep getting cut off for me for some reason, Ado.

last anchor Nov 7, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Hm.

terse lava Nov 7, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Hm?

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Has not shown them having any problems and to my knowledge have not said anything offensive

gilded mason Nov 7, 2019, 10:36 PM

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I mean, your messages keep looking like:
o met bringing the carrier groundside
ut was hoving above those spires

humble yacht Nov 7, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Probably auto fill issues

terse lava Nov 7, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Oh that, just typos

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Was simply typing too fast

gilded mason Nov 7, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Ah.

terse lava Nov 7, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Was wondering why rho bothered bringing his carrier groundside

gilded mason Nov 7, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Ah, I had thought you meant Rho himself personally went to the surface.

terse lava Nov 7, 2019, 11:39 PM

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No no, though I guess he could have for all we know

sacred dew Nov 7, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Is that the one that got shot down

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After the new Alexandra mission

stable schooner Nov 8, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Mass confusion going on here

terse lava Nov 8, 2019, 12:45 AM

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@sacred dewno he was in charge of the long night of solace

sacred dew Nov 8, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Ado. ohh wait why was he groundside

terse lava Nov 8, 2019, 2:08 AM

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What I am asking, why was his carrier in atmosphere rather then in orbit

tawdry galleon Nov 8, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Hey guys I'm working on a chronological order sheet for a massive Halo media marathon I've been running for a bit now where I watch / read / play every single piece of Halo content in chronological order starting with the Forerunners all the way till now. Question for anyone who knows: does Halo Oblivion take place in 2526? I haven't read that one yet.

feral perch Nov 8, 2019, 2:18 AM

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Yes, 2526

tawdry galleon Nov 8, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Thanks. Any particular month? How long after the events of H4 Forward Unto Dawn? (That was in late April 2526)

gilded mason Nov 8, 2019, 2:39 AM

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June

subtle depot Nov 8, 2019, 11:45 AM

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He had his carrier covered by the stealth field and after he was discovered immediately went to orbit. This makes it likely he was close to the ground for rapid force deployment (shorter travel time between atmosphere and ground than space and ground). As soon as he was made vulnerable he assumed orbit where he had the most defensive position

carmine sleet Nov 8, 2019, 4:01 PM

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It's unlikely

jade wave Nov 8, 2019, 4:05 PM

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His wiki page says between 70 and 75

carmine sleet Nov 8, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Halo 4 was 4 year, 7 months and 10 days after Halo 3, it wouldn't add a decade

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About a year

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Halo 3 was in late 2552, Halo Wars 2 is in early 2559

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Not necessarily

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It's quite possible that they're all retired or dead

stoic hamlet Nov 8, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Cryo allowed for some absurd life-sustaining feats

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I wouldn’t be surprised if people could continue fighting well into their 100’s given enough time in Cryo

humble yacht Nov 8, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Well in those cases they wouldn’t really be 100

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Chronologically, sure, but biologically they’d be much younger

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 5:27 PM

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On that subject though, I do reckon the UNSC could use their medical technology to reduce the effects of aging.

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Keep useful personnel in the field longer.

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"Your knee's permanently injured? Have a new one!"

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In my little project I'm working on I'm toying with that whole idea

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You could have some pretty hardcore NCOs, and hardcore NCOs are the lifeblood of any fighting force

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I'm not talking like centenarians on the frontlines lmao

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But these days as I understand it infantrymen have a pretty short half life

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Only a matter of time before the physical strain catches up with you

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UNSC troops might not have to worry about that - subsidized procedures to mitigate the effects of aging could incentivize soldiers with valuable experience to stick around for a long time.

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A more grounded explanation than Spartan I stuff enhancing Johnson's lifetime, for instance. And I mean, look at Stacker

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Still in the game in Halo 4

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Stacker is like the one dude I accept is definitely a real person in the Halo universe out of all the Marine personalities

stoic hamlet Nov 8, 2019, 6:27 PM

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I wouldn’t be surprised if people could continue fighting well into their 100’s given enough time in Cryo

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 6:27 PM

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I can't see it being that extreme tho

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Like transit time is, what, a few months typically?

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And then they fight

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I dunno, it'd be a very extreme case

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And it wouldn't be biological age

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Which I think is typically what matters

obsidian thistle Nov 8, 2019, 6:35 PM

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TIL the Halo 3 Diorama site calls its Scorpions the M808B. Which would be fine if it wasnt for the fact Halo 3 calls that design the M808C. https://archives.halopedia.org/halo3/believe/images/wallpaper/diorama/halo3_diorama_0290.jpg

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Surely you gotta just allow that to be an error

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It might even precede the M808C designation existing

obsidian thistle Nov 8, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Well I was about to get to that 😉

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Setting the scene as one would say

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Unless it's another instance of "superficial traits and even certain functional distinctions don't necessarily characterize certain variants".

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Which is always quite annoying

obsidian thistle Nov 8, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Seeing as thats the "only" examples of the "Turret" point being sealed off on that design. Its likely is a M808B variant. Just without the "coaxial M231 medium machine gun"

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Oh, I didn't spot that. Automated MG, then?

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Or remote one?

obsidian thistle Nov 8, 2019, 6:39 PM

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I mean its very likely one of the "locally-produced variants and field upgrades over its nearly two centuries of use"

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Regardless. Tis interesting to see that it exists.

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*And is also interesting to see the Halo 3 Scorpion design actually also used under the M808B line.

sacred dew Nov 8, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Is the stanchion still production post war

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Good question

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The Spirit of Fire utilises a variant of it that uses heavy sabots instead of small projectiles

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Which means they likely produce replacements and spare parts

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But they're not the mainline UNSC

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And the possibility exists that the Stanchion may have been somewhat upstaged by the ARC-920 railcoilgun

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Or coilrailgun

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The gun that uses coils which are formed with some kind of energy along a rail assembly and is often called a railgun but is technically a coilgun maybe

sacred dew Nov 8, 2019, 8:20 PM

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But the stanchion is better than the rail in almost every way

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Maybe production cost

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 8:20 PM

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It's bigger, too.

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A lot bigger.

carmine sleet Nov 8, 2019, 8:20 PM

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How the railgun is in game is also not completely accurate to how it is in the lore

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 8:21 PM

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How is it in the lore

obsidian thistle Nov 8, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Gameplay and Lore are not 1 to 1

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 8:21 PM

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I mean I generally assume that all weapons in the Halo universe function in a more realistic way

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Which means damage isn't a linear TTK and is a result of, y'know. Real physics and random chance.

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Range is a lot further

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Etc

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Which means the railgun would probably be somewhat sniper-esque in capability if you extrapolate from in-game functionality

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If that's what @carmine sleet meant

carmine sleet Nov 8, 2019, 8:22 PM

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That is what I meant

tawdry galleon Nov 8, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Hey so I'm currently in the process of a huge undertaking: to watch / read / play the ENTIRE Halo franchise in chronological order. I've divided the series into "stages" and am currently on Halo: Silent Storm in terms of where I'm at in the timeline. If anyone would be interested in helping me form this Google Doc I've been writing with the chronology on it, please feel free to leave comments. Or, if you're interested in doing a similar undertaking in preparation for Halo: Infinite, feel free to use my reference sheet. It's helped me so far 😄

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xp-XsvqpuOa8GQJ2vo51dWEs0HPnZrd11X6T_9XFTfc/edit

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 10:05 PM

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So with the casting of Jacob and Miranda Keyes, we can take it that the show isn’t canon

sacred dew Nov 8, 2019, 10:07 PM

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Let's just call it an else world

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Yeah

gilded mason Nov 8, 2019, 10:08 PM

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More pertinently: the whole thing of Miranda now being a doctor and a human being raised by the Covenant.

sacred dew Nov 8, 2019, 10:09 PM

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The covenant adopting a human child never thought I'd see the day

stable schooner Nov 8, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Rip

sacred dew Nov 8, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Wait so does this retcon halo 2 and 3 with miranda being a captain

humble yacht Nov 8, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Probably not

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Elseworlds don’t retcon

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They exist in parallel

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Will be a fun little elseworld story, while our canon is still around

stoic hamlet Nov 8, 2019, 10:21 PM

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I still think it’s not a good idea

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It will just confuse fans

fair hazel Nov 8, 2019, 10:22 PM

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I don't like where it's going.

stoic hamlet Nov 8, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Also

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The human covie is.......I mean

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Even for an alt universe

gilded mason Nov 8, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Yeah...

stoic hamlet Nov 8, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Really, really unlikely

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Bordering on impossible

stable schooner Nov 8, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Tell me about it. Anything to save that CGI 💰 though

stoic hamlet Nov 8, 2019, 10:23 PM

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I mean, I think it could work

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And like, that’s a hard maybe

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But a lot would have to happen for it to work

fair hazel Nov 8, 2019, 10:23 PM

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It could be a halo legends type thing with the actors

stoic hamlet Nov 8, 2019, 10:23 PM

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a lot

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That I don’t really care about

fair hazel Nov 8, 2019, 10:24 PM

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and for the rest of the details, maybe they're pulling something clever, but i dont know if its how it is

stoic hamlet Nov 8, 2019, 10:24 PM

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The changing of Miranda into a Dr, and the covie are the big things

feral perch Nov 8, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Here’s a comforting thought: Those are just the things we know about.

stable schooner Nov 8, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Savage and Tru

fair hazel Nov 8, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Her being a doctor COULD fit in some of the timeline

gilded mason Nov 8, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Oh, yeah. So there's likely a lot more changes we simply don't yet know about

feral perch Nov 8, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Imagine what else they’re keeping from us mccpizza

fair hazel Nov 8, 2019, 10:25 PM

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still, it's all concerning, and better them know concerns beforehand.

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Can it really be considered 'elseworld' when the creators state they 'wont do anything to violate canon'.

stoic hamlet Nov 8, 2019, 10:27 PM

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I’m just super worried

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Which they have, lol

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Flat out

terse lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:28 PM

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What have I come back too? Miranda raised by the covenant and else world movies?

gilded mason Nov 8, 2019, 10:28 PM

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And to be honest, this kinda muddles anything we learn about the characters within the show being able to be applied to their other counterparts.

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@terse lava
Miranda's a doctor, and another human character was raised by the Covenant.

terse lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:29 PM

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...................

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What

humble yacht Nov 8, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Elseworlds don’t violate canon

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Because they’re elseworlds

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Marvel zombies doesn’t violate main marvel canon

terse lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:30 PM

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@gilded masonyou mean a remnant right?

remote spruce Nov 8, 2019, 10:30 PM

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but is it a different canon

humble yacht Nov 8, 2019, 10:30 PM

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It’s its own self contained thing

versed helm Nov 8, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Why would you make a point of 'not violating canon' if the thing is an elseworld though, seems like a PR move.

humble yacht Nov 8, 2019, 10:30 PM

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It doesn’t replace or overwrite anything

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Maybe they don’t want to use the term elseworlds