That is not how the logic plague works tho
#lore-and-universe
jade wave
versed helm
But psychology doesn't wooork liiiike thaaaat Chimera
It's not just insta-flip
It's not mind control
Like did the Didact align himself with the Flood?
As I keep saying
It's the psychological trauma, long-term confusion and shaken beliefs that come from matching wits with an entity that is potentially trillions of times smarter than you
versed helm
And what's she already done?
Bring back a philosophy of galaxy-managing that weakened it the last time the Flood rocked up?
humble yacht
Only works in favor of the flood if they’re already ready to respond
humble yacht
If they were it would be a dues ex machine and would lessen the story in my eyes
I sincerely hope they don’t go in that direction
jade wave
What direction do you hope they go in then?
humble yacht
I prefer to think it’s all of Cortana’s worst, corrupted elements given healthy form
And that her current self lacks the good elements that kept her in check
Like someone who lost their frontal cortex to an accident
But lived
jade wave
So you would prefer that Cortana is the end series threat?
humble yacht
No
But I like threats to be mostly be contained to their own arcs
We can defeat Cortana and then introduce a new big bad later
agile lotus
How do you stick an energy sword into the ground and not have it just start ever so slowly digging? Furthermore, how does it know that you strike flesh and not, say, dirt or concrete?
humble yacht
I think the latter question is answered by “because gameplay”
In lore I’d expect energy swords to cut everything
jade wave
Why would it need to differentiate between what kind of surface it is striking?
And it probably doesn’t constantly sink into the ground just due to the amount of pressure needed or somethin like that
humble yacht
Doesn’t an energy sword need to be grasped in order to be active?
Once you let go, doesn’t it shut off
jade wave
Pretty sure
humble yacht
Eh, actually maybe not
Kill a sword elite and it just falls next to them still active
proud quail
gameplay though
jade wave
In all cutscenes that I’ve seen the energy sword turns off
fair hazel
Attention, we can now discuss halo meridian divide here.
versed helm
@fair hazel Midnight in the Heart of Midlothian?
fair hazel
No?
versed helm
@fair hazel Mona Lisa?
fair hazel
Meridian divide
versed helm
@fair hazel Savannah? Grafton?
carmine sleet
I think they're listing ships
versed helm
@fair hazel Do You Feel Lucky?
Wow
What a quirky, fun way of being an absolute pain in the butt for no reason
Also, EVA or EMA class helmet?
I'm scratching my head trying to remember the classification.
fair hazel
You can stop now, otherwise you might need a break.
versed helm
No, no break needed. Besides, I'm entirely unsure how quoting UNSC ship names in a lore thread can be classed as griefing.
It's just that there's no context for what you're saying
My guess is that you're responding to something from a while ago
carmine sleet
It isn't contributing to a discussion to just list them
versed helm
And it's disrupting the flow and being kinda rude to people out of the loop
Which seems to include, speaking of people out of the loop, the person you're messaging at
There is context, if you would ask instead of charging in to accuse.
Ericky said Meridian Divide
If you watch the webisode carefully, Meridian is listed as a visited location by the Midlothian.
And from there sprung my decision to just throw UNSC ship names out of jest.
Hilarious.
Welcome to the Halo lore thread folks.
Where even the 40k nerds are bettet behaved.
Well, 40k nerds don't usually just randomly start listing off ship names as a "joke" with literally zero context.
I guess just expecting everyone also in the chat to immediately recognize this really obscure category of ships that visited a place and was brought up without any kind of prompting.
humble yacht
Ok let’s all chill and switch back to discussing halo
Rather than each other
Oh and a little context in your posts never hurt anyone. Also tagging mods unnecessarily is annoying
versed helm
@versed helm Can tell you that 40k nerds not only engage in those types of discussion and do so without setting subjective and toxic parameters for what is considered appropriate. I understand this is a more strict and content appropriate server.
But even when I jest with Ericky, he acts like I've just handed a Shipmaster my navigation charts and spat on Preston Cole's command chair.
Anyway
Meridian, is it a good book?
I enjoyed it.
My niche is normally the relatively gritty military sci-fi stuff, so I did go into this book as I did with the original BB with a certain leniency.
It can be a little jarring but also a little endearing how Cassandra Rose Clarke handles concepts from the universe in a way that's almost more true to gameplay than the other extended fiction.
And it also continues the trend of carrying out serious recontextualizations of the Halo Universe's "secrets".
Specifically relating to how much humanity as a whole or the general human public knew about the Covenant and the Forerunners.
As a narrative it's... decent, I suppose. Fairly standard Halo tropes facilitating a fair amount of decently compelling characters. Teen angles always detract a little from the gravitas of a scenario, though. That said it's really quite funny sometimes how grim the content gets pushed.
The original Battle Born is a novel I see as more dark than Legacy of Onyx, for instance.
The UNSC's propensity for child soldiers is now officially getting a little worrisome, though.
main rivet
Desperation generally leads to child soldiers 🙂
carmine sleet
Doesn't mean it's not worrisome because they were desperate
feral perch
It’s okay, just double the amount of guilt and Halsey-hating in the post-war era to compensate 👌
main rivet
I think with both Denning and Clarke, their first books in the series were much better IMO. battle born > Meridian Divide, Silent Storm > Oblivion.
versed helm
The UNSC doesn't generally seem short of troops imo - more like short of ships and planets.
And I gotta disagree with you on Oblivion.
feral perch
Silent Storm is almost perfect, I think.
versed helm
Silent Storm was great, and Oblivion was equally great for different reasons.
feral perch
Oblivion leaves somewhat to be desired.
versed helm
At the end though Oblivion's narrative just was kinda more memorable to me.
There were so many entertaining moments.
main rivet
To me Oblivion just juggles too many plot threads it doesn’t resolve, and there’s a middle part of the book where the perspective changing just makes it really hard for the reader to figure out what the hell is going on since there’s so many factions.
feral perch
I didn’t like the shift from warfare to mystery in Oblivion. I like the fighting scenes in Silent Storm.
versed helm
It was good having some regular leathernecks get some play instead of constant helljumpers. And honestly, Oblivion is just like the definitive handbook of Blue Team for me.
Like, there were many moments that just defined Blue Team as people.
feral perch
Linda was just... off because of the way he wrote her dialogue.
versed helm
Chief rallying and immediately slipping into that reassuring leadership role as the drop falls apart around him.
Linda' little zen speech was 👌
main rivet
Yeah she seemed more snippy than usual.
versed helm
On point, Denning. Just on point.
feral perch
She never uses contractions in Oblivion, and yet she does use contractions in Silent Storm.
main rivet
But it was nice to have Blue Team as a team more.
feral perch
And every other book she’s featured in
versed helm
Well, that was a little odd I'll admit.
But text never really does justice to the nuances of human speaking patterns.
feral perch
It’s like Denning didn’t know how to distinguish her enough
feral perch
I also felt like the quippiness was excessive at times
versed helm
Y'all are being too pedantic imo.
feral perch
Ah, I kept switching between Steve Downes and whoever voiced young Chief in the FoR animated movie, when I read Chief’s lines
versed helm
But it's not like it matters.
feral perch
Hbu?
main rivet
I think he’s done a pretty good job on young Chief, which we never really got before.
feral perch
Agreed.
main rivet
Like in Forward Unto Dawn Chief is basically just Chief.
versed helm
That's really interesting, cuz Young Chief has been a pretty solid character since TFoR if you ask me.
And Denning kinda just... kept it going for him.
While spicing up the rest of Blue a bit.
main rivet
And Nylund’s Chief I think is pretty different from the character as represented in most else, but we barely see much of him as a “full” soldier.
feral perch
The best UNSC part of Oblivion is the battle on Mesra imo
feral perch
But otherwise the book is basically about Nizat.
main rivet
Yeah I totally forgot that was even part of the book for a second, since the rest of it is so focused on Netherop.
versed helm
Aww c'mon you totally can't say it's basically about Nizat
feral perch
Oh, and there’s some rude marooned people /s
versed helm
It was 100% Blue Team's book still
main rivet
I do appreciate that Denning has the Spartans regularly losing, which again flies in the face of Nylund but provides a welcome change of pace to the traditional format.
versed helm
So much of it was occupied with exploring their interactions, viewing them through different spotlights, situation and perspectives.
I just felt really fulfilled as far as Spartan action went.
And you probably know I don't have a terrible amount of time in my day for aliens usually 🤷
feral perch
And the censor ate my message
versed helm
As in fixating on UNSC characters and tech and such is always greatly preferred by me.
I'm the boi who keeps the MA5B in CE despite the plasma rifle being loads better in like every way
feral perch
What do you mean, @main rivet? Nylund wrote relatively fragile Spartans. Denning makes them look almost too capable IMO.
versed helm
Accepting and working around losses was kinda a theme of Oblivion tho
feral perch
MA5B firing sound from OG or Anniversary?
versed helm
OG my man who do you take me for
versed helm
🖐
feral perch
🤚
versed helm
Though y'know
Realtalk
I kinda need the MA5-series to sound like the SCAR-17 in MW
feral perch
I want to see a little novella where Nizat nom nom noms Petrov
main rivet
@feral perch I talked about this in our recent TFOR retrospective, but insofar as Chief has an arc in that book, the main lesson Chief learns is losing. Throughout the book we mostly see and hear about their successes, and then you hit Reach and it all falls apart for him. It’s the transition from the kid he was who just wanted to win everything to the leader who loses everything.
In general the early thrust of the fiction was that Spartans almost always succeeded, it was just that wasn’t enough to counter the overwhelming Covenant tech superiority.
So you had lots of “we succeed in destroying the Forerunner macguffin and wiping out a fleet”-style stories.
Oblivion, meanwhile, has total failures even at an operational level.
feral perch
Collateral Damage and Oblivion broke that, then.
versed helm
Spartans win on the ground but it doesn't matter if the fleet can't win in space, is the trend.
main rivet
Yep.
versed helm
But Denning's books and Nylund's books have so far covered different kinds of battles.
main rivet
The opening to TFOR is the Spartans wiping the floor with thousands of Grunts.
versed helm
Nylund had the Spartans fighting on home turf to disrupt Covenant invasions, and like in Silent Storm they almost always succeeded.
But Oblivion is a rare, surreal oddity of a mission where things get out of hand at moment one and never really stop.
feral perch
The Spartans themselves don’t fail in Oblivion
versed helm
Well they don't achieve the objective that they landed on Netherop to accomplish.
They dropped in, everything went to hell, and they managed to get outta dodge, take down someone who was out for their blood (for now at least), and save some kids.
Also Petrov doesn't deserve to be eaten.
main rivet
It’s annoying to me that the plot thread of the trackers doesn’t get resolved in part because this is a prequel, so we already know the plan doesn’t work.
So it’s weird to withhold any part of how that factors into Nizat’s arc.
versed helm
Well
I was under the impression there was gonna be another book
Or am I just plucking that out of thin air
main rivet
(Also: did people interpret the end as petrov making food for the Elites or there were others marooned with her?)
I’m assuming there is another book.
But I’m not a fan of assuming another book will solve the issues I have with this one, especially given how different Oblivion is from Silent Dtorm in many ways.
versed helm
I think you're probably overstating the differences.
They're still clearly part of a coherent narrative, focusing on Blue Team and tied together by Nizat.
They share tonal DNA.
feral perch
We need more Johnson lol
versed helm
Also from what I remember it seemed like Petrov was there with other humans who were left behind.
But I am a little hazy on the ending.
feral perch
Nizat and Tam deduced from her amount of supplies that other people must have been in her camp
versed helm
Nice
stoic hamlet
I really do wish that was brought up more/given more gravitas.
barren niche
Has 343 confirmed Noble 6’s is dead? I’m in an argument with a buddy of mine and I’m certain his death is cannon.
feral perch
Yes.
carmine sleet
Many times
feral perch
He’s dead and your buddy is wrong
obsidian thistle
Plenty times. How many sources do you want. :)
carmine sleet
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they give us a story of someone tripping over his body many years after Reach
obsidian thistle
Might be in Wargames
I mean if Timmy is Wargames exclusive
So "could" in Haunted and Armor effects in theory.
main rivet
Noble Six is dead dead dead. Jorge, meanwhile, is chilling on some alien beach 😎
barren niche
@obsidian thistle three sources please.
obsidian thistle
Halo: The Essential Visual Guide, p. 130 (Noble Six) - This gives his date of death "August 30, 2552" and says "Six fell"
https://twitter.com/GrimBrotherOne/status/827954872087506944?s=19
@barren niche I can get like 1 more really easy before I need to start digging.
So Noble Six be dead.
Zero sources point to his survival.
fervent mica
Plus, the last mission in Reach, when you die by the Elites swarming you, the mission ends
obsidian thistle
That said, only thing recent lore has done beyond say he is dead is confirm Noble Six never got the Recon helmet he ordered, as a Replica of his Mark V(B) helmet was made for Outpost Discovery.
fair hazel
Dead dead dead.
sacred dew
I like how oblivion constantly mentions that Spartan armor has an onboard computer that helps them with targeting and dodging fire
sacred dew
Yep they were getting bombarded by wraiths and told them the most safest paths and stuff
proud quail
whack
fair hazel
I liked that
sacred dew
Elites also have heavy energy shields
Linda snipes a ranger and he tanks it after the other got one shotted earlier and then a grenade sends Him flying he gets up and Linda emptys her clip killing him
But he was a distraction or was it bait
stable schooner
Now Rangers with heavy shields is just blasphemy
gilded mason
What makes you say that?
stable schooner
Weak Shields and Enhanced mobility is the entire thing for Rangers.
gilded mason
Mobility, sure. Why weak shields?
remote spruce
game balance?
gilded mason
Even in Fall of Reach, we had that ranger with the great shielding.
stable schooner
- Ranger isn’t a high rank. 2. Energy from their suits could be diverting to the jet packs. It’s like a Stealth Elite with Good Shields it’s just thematically not right.
gilded mason
lol
sacred dew
He was a special case a distraction to lure them out pretty sure he was getting cold feet and nizat had keep telling him about honor and stuff
stable schooner
A heavy Shielded Ranger is like a Minor with Ultra Shields the blasphemy of such a thing.
Breh
gilded mason
Hm. Filter why.
carmine sleet
Maybe it's a high ranking Ranger?
sacred dew
I just explained why
stable schooner
Oh no it’s the Rank bloat since Rangers have always been one Rank. Also Oof again Ostral. Did the other Elites boost his shields somehow then?
Lol
carmine sleet
What about Ranger Commanders? They're a different rank than normal Rangers
remote spruce
Rangers but gold
carmine sleet
They're still a higher rank than normal rangers
stable schooner
Breh they Canonized the Bobs
humble yacht
@gilded mason no guarantee but it's probably anti-spoiler measures for the upcoming SW movie
gilded mason
Uh, do you know which word is getting flagged?
gilded mason
Cripes
Okay:
I do enjoy this description given to Rangers in Shadow of Intent:
Rangers were an elite [faction], trained in the demanding art of Zero-G combat. The humans had called them "ship killers", and for good reason: many human vessels had perished when Covenant rangers breached their hulls and tore them apart from the inside out.
Finally.
obsidian thistle
Ah I remember when Grim made Bobs canon. Used my image also ;)
stable schooner
Welp I guess Ranger Commander is like Spec Ops Commander cause I just checked the Bobs stats and he’s the Strongest Elite in Reach Lol
sacred dew
Bobs are those the gold boys from reach the Easter egg
carmine sleet
They are, but they're now a canonical rank, like what was just discussed
That said, I believe the Bob on Sword Base is still an unknown, given that their armour is white instead of orange and it can be any one of the armour sets used by Elites in the game
stable schooner
Truly the key to stopping the Covenant at Reach wasn’t killing the Field Marshall’s but the Bobs. They were the real masterminds of Reach. Stealths are Elite to But their not Elite Elite.
gilded mason
Correct.
sacred dew
Imagine that conversation
We are the elite of the elite
remote spruce
wort wort
stable schooner
You mean every conversation between a Spec Op and Stealth Elite Wort
obsidian thistle
I do love how Rangers are volunteers in the og covenant.
sacred dew
Really?
stable schooner
Dang I underestimated the Bobs. Rangers have always just been Minors with wings but the Bob is a God among Elites
gilded mason
The answer has been with us all along. They're called Bobs; know who else is called Bob? Mr. Incredible.
stable schooner
No way that White Elite on Oni sword base is getting the Canon Treatment Though he’s Literally random.
That will be the day when Honor Guard Councilor is a real Rank
clever fable
Don't take my dreams away from me.
stable schooner
I really hope that doesn’t ever happen though lol. Being a Honor Guard and a Councilor makes no sense.
humble yacht
it really doesn't
unless he's like the air marshall of honor guards
disguised as a general council member until something bad happens, then he springs into action
sacred dew
That sounds pretty awesome
barren niche
Is there a halo version of WarHammer?
fair hazel
Whatdoes that mean
hasty locust
Like a tabletop game?
barren niche
Yes
fair hazel
That’s more fitting for general than lore , but there’s no current active production table top. There used to be fleet battles and ground command
barren niche
Thanks
barren niche
I think they were general team, but what generation of spartans are you asking about?
proud quail
besides grey and black team, spartan IIs were trained for everything
SIIIs were the same minus the Mjolnir and Headhunters.
cant say much about SIVs though
stoic hamlet
All Spartans are trained as jack of all trades, II’s and III’s anyways. Some specialized, but usually they’re were still extremely proficient in the things they didn’t specialize in. As an example, Mark G-313 was Team Sabers sharpshooter, but he was incredibly skilled in CQC.
proud quail
It's Spartan Operations, not Corps
stoic hamlet
Mhm
sacred dew
Question Whats masterchief best strength feat because in oblivion he holds up ten tons
stoic hamlet
Do you have a source for that?
It’s the second time I’ve heard it but I can’t remember that actually occurring.
proud quail
He can flip a tank.
stoic hamlet
No he can’t. No Spartan can
proud quail
Tell that to my gameplay features
stoic hamlet
Heh
sacred dew
No only gameplay and Conners word says Spartans lifts tanks
stoic hamlet
Who?
gilded mason
Though Frankie is Frankie.
stoic hamlet
Oh, yeah
Don’t, don’t take his word on anything
Or take it with a massive grain of salt
Anyways, do you have a page or chapter number for that lifting feat @sacred dew?
stoic hamlet
I don’t remember that. I think he flipped a hog, but it took a lot of effort and he needed against something. It was already mostly righted.
sacred dew
Eternal Canadian when chiefs in the prowler at the end he's lifting something the gees start to make the object weight 4,000kg then the prowler decelerates causing it to weigh 12,000kg which is 10 ton chief was at his limit though
stoic hamlet
He wasn’t in a Prowler at the end of the book?
sacred dew
No it was a warthog
stoic hamlet
I’d really like a chapter or page number.
I don’t want to have to search like three or four chapters
sacred dew
A reading the text but page number isn't there sorry and no it's not fake
gilded mason
Or give a small quote so I can search for it real quick.
humble yacht
Lol when people willing to find proof for you and you can’t provide the location
sacred dew
The prowler lurched as if she had backed into stone wall and John felt his legs taking four thousand kilograms of weight under the vessel's nine-g deceleration
Type that
stoic hamlet
@gilded mason
I definitely don’t recall that in the end
He didn’t regroup in a Prowler
sacred dew
It might not be the end sorry
stoic hamlet
He wasn’t lifting anything though?
gilded mason
The prowler lurched as if she had backed into a stone wall, and John felt his legs taking four thousand kilograms of weight under the vessel’s nine-g deceleration. The marines bulged toward him in their safety slings, their eyes bugging and their skin pouching toward their faceplates, their gear pulling little cones into their pressure suits.
humble yacht
Chief himself felt like he weighed 4000 kilos
stoic hamlet
It’s not an accurate measurement
sacred dew
Eh at least I wasn't lieing about the feat
stoic hamlet
It’s just he felt like it. It’s used as description
gilded mason
And the marines were undergoing the same experience
humble yacht
Not lying but not accurate
humble yacht
Wrong but well intentioned
sacred dew
Ok
versed helm
how long have the flood been around
i know they are like the guardians or something
or some sorta god
rain token
100,000+ years right?
barren niche
give or take.
humble yacht
well there was their first appearance, after which they retreated out of the galaxy for >3000 years, then there was the Forerunner-Flood War which lasted ~300, then about 100,000 years passed between that war and current Halo events
gilded mason
It was formed 852 BC
versed helm
so really i say that when the brutes left the covenant it collapsed
gilded mason
so really i say that when the brutes left the covenant it collapsed
Do you mean the Elites?
versed helm
like i love halos lore
no im sure the brutes left
and then it was the elites,grunts and like everything else
sacred dew
When there religion was shattered it collapsed
versed helm
well yeah
gilded mason
no im sure the brutes left
Because the empire itself was no more.
gilded mason
Elites (and individuals of other species) left before it collapsed.
gilded mason
and were never seen again
They've been seen many times in other media.
stoic hamlet
It’s important to note an empire doesn’t collapse overnight.
Individual warlords oftentimes declare themselves the true heirs to the empire, or the entire empire adapts to evolve, a la Rome.
stable schooner
They didn’t leave the Covenant it was dissolved
stoic hamlet
^^^
versed helm
so lets say that the prophets were killed then what
sacred dew
There are still brutes that believe the great journey like caster and the one from envoy
sacred dew
Yep
versed helm
when i say never seen again i mean they are still alive im just saying they didnt do much after
stoic hamlet
They did
sacred dew
Read the books
versed helm
Hold up
which ones
This channel is supposedly about educating and discussing lore
So let's clarify
Is Stuie talking about the Sangheili?
stable schooner
Are you talking about Brutes or Prophets(San Shyuum)?
stable schooner
They haven’t left at all
gilded mason
We've got the Keepers, Hekabe, The Banished, Lydus, and others I am forgetting.
versed helm
I don't think the Brutes had any centralised form of government after the war.
If I'm not mistaken.
obsidian thistle
And presumably many more off-screen.
versed helm
they did leave
The Brute elements of the Covenant broke off and formed what @gilded mason said
stable schooner
Theirs even Halo Wars 2 for visual brute Media Lol
sacred dew
Last light,retribution,envoy
versed helm
because you dont seem them after halo 3?
obsidian thistle
Actually we do 😉
versed helm
its just the elites,grunts
gilded mason
They are in other media.
versed helm
And they are referenced in books and comics
sacred dew
Hw2,
versed helm
but you dont really fight them
gilded mason
And HW2, yes.
stable schooner
Halo Wars 2 man
obsidian thistle
Halo Spartan Assault has them in a faction. And Spartan Strike has them in Juls Covenant. 😄
versed helm
so they left the covenant and didnt attack earth
and i didnt play those small off branch games
gilded mason
Basically nobody attacked Earth after the war, besides the Didact, I think?
stable schooner
Jul having Brutes is weird to me I gotta say
versed helm
so i dont know the whole lore
sacred dew
Were fighting the elites
carmine sleet
A species as divided and scattered as the Brutes in the post war galaxy wouldn't be able to launch an attack on Earth
versed helm
well they could it would just be a bloodbath so they didnt
sacred dew
They nuked themselves for crying out loud
Twice and didn't learn a thing
stable schooner
That was pre Covenant Richard
versed helm
@gilded mason
gilded mason
Hm?
carmine sleet
Stuie, no, they really can't, they would fight one another before they could even start an invasion of Earth
gilded mason
Think so? Though he never got around to it
versed helm
ugh this lore is way to complicated im out
carmine sleet
He wasn't planning an invasion though, he was just planning a terrorist attack
gilded mason
Uh
sacred dew
It was there description in the bestrium book for halo 3 I think
stable schooner
Lol
versed helm
Man
gilded mason
It ain't that complex.
versed helm
I love the neat references to Pious Inquisitor
no it really is
Especially the map
Is it, in the game Reach?
like i dont understand any of this
Or Halo 3?
carmine sleet
It's not hard to understand that a species would be divided by a conflict like the Human-Covenant War
gilded mason
What don'tcha understand at the moment?
versed helm
well my boi Pious Inquisitor
gilded mason
What about it?
stable schooner
Even just playing the games you show know Brutes still exist. When do we see Brutes go exotic
versed helm
whom is he/she?
obsidian thistle
Its this ship https://www.halopedia.org/Pious_Inquisitor
gilded mason
It's a ship
versed helm
It's a ship
ah
wait
this is what i mean
i dont get any of it
You asked if there were any attacks on Earth by Brutes
Yeah I get the impression what you know of Halo is limited to the games
well
gilded mason
i dont get any of it
What don't you get about the ship?
versed helm
A lot of the context of this lore can be sourced from the games
stable schooner
Yeah I’m confused on how your confused
versed helm
But expanded on a lot more by the books/other media
im just saying on a whole
i dont get it
stable schooner
What do you not understand?
gilded mason
Pick one thing you're confused about, and I'll try to answer it
obsidian thistle
If in any doubt or mystery wiki it 😉 Hopefully you'll find something. Even I admit the amount of stuff on Halopedia amazes me and I admin there.
stable schooner
CIA391 be self advertising Breh
versed helm
We could answer them
Just fire away
well i wouldnt know anyway
Anything you want to know about
Like for example
gilded mason
Yep, pick any one thing you want to know more about
carmine sleet
Then ask questions, be curious. People here are more than happy to ask and answer questions
versed helm
You know what makes me unconfused?
A Sweet Williams cigar
i didnt know what a ship was
sacred dew
Example the origins of the flood
Like this
stable schooner
Let’s be real Stuie the outside lore is not vital to understanding 90% of the games. You know don’t need to understand everything at once
gilded mason
And remember, Halopedia is always open to you as well:
https://www.halopedia.org/Main_Page
versed helm
well imma just stick with the shooting side
For example
not lore im good at fallout for lore
not halo
This current article on an unidentified cigar found in Halo 2 @versed helm
stable schooner
Booo Bethesda Retcons.
carmine sleet
I was not an expert on Halo lore when I first delved into it, we're not expecting you to be an expert either Stuie. Just ask questions and we're more than happy to answer them
versed helm
jeez
obsidian thistle
Dont worry about it 😄 @versed helm We all begin somewhere with lore! I began as a egg hunter before I became really interested in Halo lore. xD Oh how a change that was in 2010.
fair hazel
Wait, I wasn’t born an expert halo lore master?
sacred dew
There basically the space police
stable schooner
Don’t feel bad I don’t even want to get the guardians lol
versed helm
and what formed the halo ring
gilded mason
They're constructs designed to police lesser systems for the Forerunners.
fair hazel
Thé forerunners built the halo rings
sacred dew
The forerunners made them
versed helm
for what
gilded mason
and what formed the halo ring
The Forerunners created the Ark, which assembles the Halos.
carmine sleet
The Halos are used to combat the Flood by killing their food, which we are told in CE
fair hazel
The arks*
sacred dew
To stop the flood by killing there food and any advance flood form
versed helm
so then what do the humans want with the halo rings
which made them go there and find the flood
sacred dew
Nothing
versed helm
which then had to make chief blow one of em
stable schooner
To study and deactivate them. Cortana’s coordinates in CE
fair hazel
They found a halo ring. Landed on it. Found what it was. Blew it up before it was activated
gilded mason
Humans found the first Halo by happenstance thanks to coordinated Cortana found. She didn't know where it'd lead.
carmine sleet
Humanity wasn't on the ring to find the Flood in CE
stable schooner
Have you even beaten the games? You should know why Chief blew up the ring
sacred dew
They wanted super weapons to fight the covenant but found the flood which is worse
carmine sleet
They were there because they crash landed
versed helm
no i have just not in a long time
and i played them just to pass time
never actually listened
stable schooner
I recommend replaying them before getting into the advanced lore
versed helm
its a shooter and im like 9 do u expect me to listen
carmine sleet
Like currently you're nine?
versed helm
aka im like 15 now so i still dk
stable schooner
Oh geez lol
carmine sleet
Right, you weren't clear
versed helm
no i get that
stable schooner
Woosh Close one
stoic hamlet
Been really surprised and felt really old.
versed helm
heh
fair hazel
You should go replay the campaigns
stable schooner
Gotta be 13 right? so probably get muted until you were 13 lol
stoic hamlet
I still feel old
versed helm
no im 15 and just play reach most of the time
em
i play them but the campaigns just feel a bit stale
stable schooner
I know right the Halo Discord makes me feel old and I’m a young in
versed helm
soory if i just offended people
obsidian thistle
Lets move on shall we. Perhaps lets discuss Spock the Space cat. 😄
stoic hamlet
several people here would disagree 😛
proud quail
BF2142 MP was more fun but that aint halo
versed helm
well
stable schooner
Well that’s general or Reach channel stuff so let’s try and keep it Lore now
stoic hamlet
^^
versed helm
yeah
obsidian thistle
Well again here be Spock the cat 😄 https://www.halopedia.org/Spock
stoic hamlet
Yey kitty :3
versed helm
wait why was the UNSC ship (forgot the name) chief is on at the start of halo 4 ripped in 2 anyway?
obsidian thistle
Halo 3 happened 🙂
stable schooner
Ending of Halo 3 the slipspace portal closed
sacred dew
Halo 3 ending
gilded mason
It was shown explicitly in Halo3 that it was cut in half.
stable schooner
sacred dew
Perfect
obsidian thistle
Halo 3 ended with the Forward Unto Dawn slicing in half. With the front end going to earth, and the back end going to a mystery planet.
versed helm
which is requiem?
obsidian thistle
Yep
sacred dew
Wait the forward onto dawn killed the dawn
stable schooner
Man Sentinels are great am I right people
obsidian thistle
*I fixed that
sacred dew
Not as great as engineers
obsidian thistle
versed helm
what is that
versed helm
my brain is fried
obsidian thistle
A variant of the Strato-sentinel.
stoic hamlet
CIA you’re confusing him, lol
obsidian thistle
Stratos in turn are big huge sentinels that do a lotta the heavily lifting in the Halo rings.
versed helm
yeah
obsidian thistle
Cause if so you can give Halo: Legends a watch.
😄 Has a ace short in it called Origins.
That gives you the tldr of the Halo universe. 😄
Plus it has other cool stuff in it I recommend.
versed helm
i shall try it
sacred dew
No tell him about 1337
versed helm
hmm
its the fact your saying no tell him
instead of just saying
why dont you watch 1337 after
obsidian thistle
Lets not get confusing richard. xD
versed helm
or before
sacred dew
It will make it funny if u don't know
stable schooner
I won’t even lie I like the look of Prometheans more then that New Sentinel. Looks nothing like the other Sentinels to me imo
sacred dew
OK sorry
versed helm
well ill watch it later or something
sacred dew
That's how the original retriever sentinel would have looked
obsidian thistle
Halo Legends: Origins used to be my main recommendation for someone getting into the universe as it very broadly went over everything.
Halo Mythos took its place. But Origins is still the best option for those after a quick recap
versed helm
well im just gonna go to sleep
stable schooner
Yeah I recommend Origins to watch Forerunners look cool and then get stomped
versed helm
Origins just like
Redeems Halo Legends for me
Legends is like this balancing act of really cool and really lame stuff
And the really cool just kinda edges it out
But I s'pose that's anime in a nutshell, right?
versed helm
I feel like most things don't have such extreme thresholds for stuff, though.
Like your average Marvel movie is filled with kinda cool and kinda lame stuff
But anime, because of its characteristic lack of subtlety, tends to push traits to extremes
But that's just a theory
An off-the-cuff entirely shallow media theory
obsidian thistle
Origins was like 343is very suttle roadmap of Halo lore for the then 10 years of Halo 343i had planned.
Mixed with stuff we already knew. And Cortanas imagination
manic tinsel
What would a ODST training consist of?
past olive
jumping out of an aeroplane without a parachute
correction, out of a plane with a mattress instead of a parachute
severe lodge
Hi. I know that may have been discussed a million times but I still have a few questions dealiong with Reach events. I have read fall of Reach, First strike, played Halo Reach and read Halsey's journal from limited edition. I have checked many timelines based on unsc military calendar. On the 23th of July how could Covenant forces land near Visegrad ? With orbital defense and everything it was hard to land on 30th Aug and it was the Fleat of particular justice. How could convenant land near visegrad and not be noticed before landing ?
past olive
yeah they conflict
Fall of Reach was written before Halo Reach
and Bungie didn't make Halo Reach to tie into The Fall of Reach cause they wanted to do what they wanted to do and not what was in the book
as for which is canon, the game is canon because to Bungie the games are priority over the books
carmine sleet
Halo Canon recently released a video that details all the events surrounding Reach and how they all fit together
severe lodge
yeah that's too bad. FoR was actually a nice prequel to halo CE at the time but I hoped everything would fit in the end
carmine sleet
Both Reach and The Fall of Reach are canon
past olive
gonna have to watch that vid
carmine sleet
343i have confirmed so multiple times
severe lodge
probably countless times yes I have checked everything I could before asking here
will watch that video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8d4z5Zg_Bc that one ?
carmine sleet
That's the one
severe lodge
Thanks @carmine sleet
stoic hamlet
It’s very good. (I helped edit it :D.)
humble yacht
The covenant that invaded Visegrad were not part of the Fleet of Particular Justice. That fleet (Thel’s fleet) did not come to Reach until the end of battle
feral perch
somehow the UNSC kept the fighting quiet for a month
stoic hamlet
I can kind of buy that
If there was an attack in China right now, in some remote locale, I could maybe see them keeping it quiet
feral perch
But with interstellar travel?
Surely somebody would see the Corvettes, and other larger ships post-LNoS
versed helm
Planets are pretty big.
ONI is pretty smart.
I visualize the conflict of Halo Reach taking place primarily within a "safe zone" where the ODPs were neutralized following the attack on Sword Base by the Covenant troops out of the Szurdok staging area (as mentioned by Auntie Dot)
Think of it like an expanding planetary ring which kept the Covenant highly constrained till the final fleet battle.
feral perch
Up until Silent Storm's publication, it was difficult to give the UNSC that much credit.
versed helm
I don't know what you're trying to imply by that
But I used to be in the same boat as you regarding the secrecy element of Covenant invasions
343 have kinda impressed me by using newer media to retroactively make it the norm
They're turning a pretty poor bit of Reach EU-desynchronization into a somewhat universe-characterizing plot point with a decent logical basis
And I'm all for that
feral perch
I find it difficult to think that the UNSC could really contain a Covenant invasion like that, considering how easily Earth was breached by a fleet that didn't even come knowing that humans lived on Earth.
And how disadvantaged the UNSC were during the war, when it came to space battles.
versed helm
I think you're mistaken in conceptualizing the conflict we see in Halo Reach (or the majority of it) as an invasion.
Like there are certainly areas where it appeared that way (ahem New Alexandria)
But it was primarily groundwork
feral perch
Earth's initial conflict with the Covies wasn't an invasion, either, it was similar to Reach.
Covies wanted Forerunner artifacts.
versed helm
That said, Halo Reach's story would've been immensely improved by a ticking clock counting down to the full invasion
And a representation of the huge-scale naval fight
And the difference, Stonewall, is that the Covenant during the First Battle of Earth more or less went all-in and hit hard with decent tactics
During the early stages of the Battle of Reach, they were playing the subterfuge game
It's not really equivalent at all
feral perch
My biggest issue is probably with the Pillar of Autumn, though. How it got through the thick of battle to land, and then got past the other ships in orbit when it left.
versed helm
Well, Halo Canon has a spicy timeline up these days.
feral perch
I just watched it.
versed helm
A revamped one.
I don't entirely take it as 100% gospel - I tend to lean on TFoR being a dubious source wherever things get tight
But it's a good basis
feral perch
He doesn't explain how it got through the Covenant's main invasion force to land, because afaik there isn't an explanation
I wouldn't be opposed to them re-hiring Nylund to actually go back and rewrite the segments with the battle of Reach to fit everything together perfectly. But of course, that won't happen.
versed helm
Sneeki Breeki
I assume it involved probably covert landing teams constructing the spires first
feral perch
I meant the Pillar of Autumn.
versed helm
Ah, sorry, skimmed over.
Well as I said pre-emptively
I just don't take TFoR to be 100% gospel, especially as far as times go
versed helm
I know it can be a slightly difficult pill to swallow but the sooner everyone comes to term with the notion that the OG trilogy of Halo novels is just kinda outdated at this point the better
And I guess because he wanted to move on to different creative pastures
sinful quartz
I think the OG trilogy of Halo Novels are very good to base a Mindset on
versed helm
I would argue that First Strike is a little bit of a low point in places
sinful quartz
They're solid competent books that give a very nice view of the time period in question, and get you in a right mindset.
I agree there
First strike is the weakest of the trilogy imo
Onyx > Fall of Reach> First Strike
I actually read Onyx recently, and it doesnt actually feel very outdated.
versed helm
Onyx is pretty timeless
sinful quartz
Even Fall of Reach is pretty timeless after the 2010 rewrite imo
it removed the inconsistencies and smoothed things out
versed helm
I'm sorta formulating a guide for people getting into the EU as is, and honestly I'm at the point of just leaving TFoR out
Well not an official guide or anything
Just what I recommend people
sinful quartz
The only issue is the continuity snarl with Reach
IMO, Onyx is an excellent introduction
versed helm
And as-is it goes Contact Harvest, and then the TFoR animated show.
sinful quartz
I go
Contact Harvest > Cole Protocol > Onyx
Thats imo what you need to fully get into all the bits of Halo.
versed helm
I feel Onyx would be more than a little confusing if you don't have the basic story of the SII program down
sinful quartz
Eh. not sure actually. Seeing as so much is told by Kurt
and explained quite well
All you need to know is he is an augmented former child soldier'
versed helm
Still, it's nice to experience the narrative of the SIIs as it happens instead of through exposition.
It is kinda a cornerstone of the universe
sinful quartz
Oh yeah. But Fall of Reach is just kinda confusing to get into with the game being so different
Its why I suggest skipping it
versed helm
And aside from a few bits which are odd to the true pedant TFoR animated is a pretty gravitas-filled introduction to the SIIs
Lots of swelling music
And it sorta re-arranges elements of the story so there's more familiar characters
sinful quartz
Contact Harvest, Cole Protocol, and Onyx all tell largely self-contained stories, that still give you a nice introduction to the series as a whole.
@versed helm The comic is better IMO
Fall of Reach comic series is great and doesnt clash as crazily with the game
versed helm
Well I just figure that if you go for the TFoR without the FoR you minimize any potential for confusion
And I also think that Silent Storm and Oblivion do a great job of getting some info across that TFoR gives you
sinful quartz
Well, the comic shows all the important parts of the book.
versed helm
Relating to the HCW and the Spartans
sinful quartz
Contact Harvest > Fall of Reach comic > Cole Protocol > Ghosts of Onyx
In that order if you wanna get someone ino the whole series and its inner workings
Collateral and the animated series lose their impact if you dont know a lot of the backstory
And cant recognize stuff from the books. Reduces the fun factor
versed helm
But TFoR-A covers that tho
sinful quartz
yeah, but its easier to get someone to read three short comics than a two hour animated movie
versed helm
And if you only watch TFoR-A before reading CD and SS you don't get put out by the timeskip
Going forwards then back again
You get a nice chronology
sinful quartz
Silent Storm should be read LATE
Because half the fun of the novel is all the easter eggs and references
Here is a reference to cole's wife from Halo Evolutions.
Look, a reference to Contact Harvest.
Hey, these are the sniper rifles Johnson used in Contact Harvest.
That is so good, i'd call it criminal to not lot someone experience that
versed helm
They're easter eggs and references to us, maybe, but to the un-initiated they'll seem like really neat universe groundwork. And as I keep saying, I'd recommend CH before anything else and TFoR-A immediately after.
So you get connections from behind and you also get to see characters come back later on
versed helm
Well yea
sinful quartz
It should depend on that person in question
Comics guy > the comics
otherwise > animated
Then Cole Protocol to give you both an insight into the UNSC, their mindset, the lives of civilians, and some stuff on the Elites
sinful quartz
SS and Oblivion should be read until after someone has read Onyx
Just so you got a good chain of events worked out in your head
versed helm
But they come before Onyx
And Denning worked in a lot of character stuff for the members of Blue and the Spartan ethos in general which would be pretty beneficial going into anything in the 2550s
I just am really interested in the potential of these awesome new sources to anchor the universe in a kind of slice-of-life way as well as helping to build a really strong understanding of the HCW's early days
But I guess it's a moot point, people'll read what they read I guess.
Nothing's truly terrible to start off with except like maybe The Flood
Which you kinda need to be pretty discerning to handle cuz it's got some real doozies
I do love that book though - tonally it's just 👌
sacred dew
Read the fall of reach until Sam dies then collateral damage the silent Storm and then oblivion thats the chronological order actually contact harvest first
versed helm
Well that would probably be optimal, actually.
But it's kinda oof to tell someone to get a book and then not read half of it till down the line
But yeah, that'd be the best way to do it 100%
Still CH first tho
CH is really undervalued as just a lore cornerpiece
That book like single-handedly made sense of the universe when it came out
sacred dew
No am just saying that's how it is canonically not to read them like that
That would be weird
versed helm
I'm just gonna take a second to just address all the ways CH is just awesome
First off, despite its like one canonical issue being colony numbers, it gives possibly the best interpretation of the insurrection and the UNSC pre-Covenant or even just in general
sacred dew
The sniper scene nuff said
versed helm
One of the first things it does is ground the Covenant and then the story build motivation for why they're fighting in a way the games never quite do
It's got a mature and relatable tone and doesn't really require any prior knowledge, making it less just a bit of Halo EU and more a striking sci-fi story in its own right
AND it gives really valuable information going into the continuation of the Created's storyline by getting inside the head of an AI
It's just perfection and if there's one book every Halo fan needs to read it's CH
stoic hamlet
See, I disagree with the idea of it helping the created storyline
But everything else 100% yes
sacred dew
Also the war started because a grunt accidentally fired his gun
stoic hamlet
It was going to start anyways
And it was a militia trooper
But he was disembowelled like right after so we don’t necessarily know who attacked first.
versed helm
Well I mean
I'd say the war started cuz the Covenant more or less just went "give us your planet"
Incident or not that was gonna cause issues
stoic hamlet
Yeah
Like War was a certainty
How it started might have been slightly different though.
sacred dew
That almost sounds like space British
stoic hamlet
Britain isn’t the only nation to do that
sinful quartz
I think the quality of halo writing is often shown when the Covenant writing is good too
stoic hamlet
Every nation on earth has technically done that at some point
sinful quartz
The best halo games also had good Covenent/Elite stuff
carmine sleet
Aye, we may have been one of the most notable, but Britain was not the only one to do that in history
sinful quartz
One reason I have hopes for Infinite's story is because that hack Brian Reed is gone.
Him and his obsession with Locke and Palmer
stoic hamlet
Spain, Portugal, the Dutch, France......
sacred dew
It was a joke about the meme not to offend anyone am sorry
stoic hamlet
All good. In future though maybe say “space imperialism, or “space colonialism”
Or something
sacred dew
Alright thanks
versed helm
Tbh
There's nothing offensive about it
Everyone's being smarty-pantses
Not triggered
It was a totally valid comparison
sinful quartz
I like the lore that shows the inner workings of the Covenant
And that the whole war wasnt even something most of them wanted, or heck, even knew about
Most Sangheili live their lives on isolated worlds and only know stories about off-world places
If they're rich, they visited High Charity once on a pilgrimate.
Maybe saw a Tithe fleet
versed helm
I'm a big fan of when Halo humanizes aliens.
sinful quartz
Or well. Rationalized them
versed helm
I tend to be very UNSC-centric but war stories are better when they're not simplistic.
feral perch
I started reading with The Fall of Reach, and went TFoR > The Flood > First Strike > GoO
sinful quartz
Like. The bit of The Cole Protocol that I liked the most was when the Kig Yar were starting to hesitate betraying the rebels.
feral perch
I hadn't played a Halo game until after finishing at least First Strike iirc
versed helm
War's not about good or bad guys. It tends to be about misunderstandings and higher-ups telling grunts to do things they don't understand the brutality of.
sinful quartz
I would love to see some human Kig-yar cooperation.
versed helm
Reading CH and just, like, having an alien start their part in the book by picking up a prescription is 👌
Love that kind of stuff
sinful quartz
Its why Venezia is such a nice setting idea.
feral perch
I thought you didn't have much time for aliens, Looters 
sinful quartz
Humans and Jackals setting up this industrial hub.
stoic hamlet
I definitely like the idea
stoic hamlet
But I feel it’s often a little too overdone.
versed helm
Oh yikes
sinful quartz
The Helioskrill Armor!
stoic hamlet
Especially in Halo considering what happened.
sinful quartz
The backstory of it is amazing.'
sacred dew
The only halo games i have played are reach and 4 and the lore just interested me from there no regrets
versed helm
Well that's surely a first
feral perch
I would honestly have to recommend starting with Mythos if you want a solid overview of everything.
stoic hamlet
People are a little to friendly towards the aliens, and vice versa for my tastes.
versed helm
That's the coward's route xD
sinful quartz
@stoic hamlet I like it when its done well in the line with the setting.
feral perch
And then start reading the novels, either with The Fall of Reach, or CH
stoic hamlet
It’s tough to suspend disbelief at times.
sinful quartz
Rid you read the books with Venezia, Eternal?
stoic hamlet
Yeah
sinful quartz
I like how it was done there.
versed helm
StoneWall no
stoic hamlet
I’ve read every book released so far.
versed helm
Ppl will get confused
feral perch
yes
versed helm
It'll be terrible
feral perch
lies, deception
sinful quartz
Rebels Pirates and Smugglers of both races coming together to make money, makes so much sense
versed helm
You don't want anyone new to the universe to try and wrap their head around the Battle of Reach
If it was me I'd just go "this is..."
And leave
sinful quartz
While the UNSC and Swords of Sangheilios having an uneasy peace, works too.
feral perch
Let's assume that they haven't played Reach
versed helm
But then if they do it'll be the same as us
feral perch
or, also plausible, that they don't care much for timelines and stuff
versed helm
And for us it was years of just screaming at Bungie
sinful quartz
Altho i wish we got to see more of the Sangheilios part of the truce.
feral perch
why 343?
sinful quartz
How the elites feel of the fighting ending.
versed helm
Oh yeah good point
I just said 343 cuz they took over after Reach
But Bungo's still responsible
stoic hamlet
I agree, but I feel people (in-universe) should be way more hostile or untrusting of aliens.
Look at Draco III, Sigma Octanus, Jericho VII, Beta Gabriel.
You don’t really become fast friends after that.
versed helm
Whyyyyyyyyy Bungo
Y u do dis to my boi Nyyyyylllluuuund
He was the chosen one
And you betrayed him
sinful quartz
@stoic hamlet Well it should be done when it makes sense. And if they offer something.
The fact that the UNSC was letting Covenant laborers take refugee status on some human worlds to use them as skilled labor.
Makes sense.
feral perch
guys, let's organize a lore protest over Halo: Reach and storm Bungie HQ!!11! The look their on faces will be 👌
sinful quartz
I can defintely see the UNSC snatching up some elite artisans and armorers.
versed helm
Talk about a blast from the past
sinful quartz
And hiring their services
stoic hamlet
Man remember when Nylund had applied for a narrative position in 343 but they already hired and so he didn’t get the job
Oh man, that was a sad day
sinful quartz
Waitwhat
feral perch
Holy crap bad mistake
deep pewter
Gonna need a source
sinful quartz
They could have gotten Eric-Freaking-Nyland, and they got Brian "I think having a generic unlikeable black guy replace the Master Chief is a great idea." Reed?
versed helm
Oi
feral perch
also I looked up Nylund's other books. Turns out he writes mostly YA fantasy magic books. Weird, right?
versed helm
Let's have a little nuance and decorum
stoic hamlet
It was a few years ago now but I remember the post. Gonna search for it now.
deep pewter
Reed didn’t replace Chief
versed helm
I kinda like him
stoic hamlet
He’s a compelling character
versed helm
I kinda like all of Osiris really
sinful quartz
And felt like a cheap attempt to make,. A New Chief
stoic hamlet
But under-utilized.
sinful quartz
Locke should have had buildup
stoic hamlet
Like all of the characters in Halo 5
sinful quartz
And not taken most of the time
sinful quartz
A bad movie
versed helm
lmao
I mean bad
🤷
I enjoyed my rewatch the other day
Wasn't what I'd want from a Halo movie though
Not enough shooty-shooty bang-bang really
And I'm man enough to admit that
But some of it's quite tense
feral perch
It's like if you took all the guilt and anguish from Kilo-5, and condensed it into a miniseries
feral perch
ew
versed helm
You know you want to
versed helm
Alright look I'm gonna run down some elements of Nightfall here
And we can decide if they're good or bad
Okay first thing - the AWOL Spartan
I can't remember his name
But it's a solid performance and he's an uplifting character
Agree?
feral perch
Imagine Nylund, who's otherwise known for young-adult fantasy, creating one of the most compelling grounded sci-fi backstories
versed helm
Randy Pitchford
proud quail
whatever it was
versed helm
Rogue Spartan
proud quail
He wasn't AWOL or Rogue
feral perch
He was depressed because "muh daughter"
proud quail
He didn't want to be a conscript, he was allowed leave
versed helm
Yeah but the bit at the end where he tricked the others to sacrifice himself
deep pewter
That sounds more like there was more going on than just the narrative position being filled
feral perch
we didn't get to know him
versed helm
That was a heroic moment
proud quail
Oh
versed helm
I liked that moment
proud quail
The straws moment
versed helm
Draw ballz
feral perch
I didn't care about any of the characters tbh
versed helm
Here's another thing I see as pretty good
proud quail
Yeah it's a nice reflection on his character and tbh it helped gave some emphasis to the kind of people Spartans were
versed helm
The creepy dude on Locke's team who tried to buddy up with him to backstab the others
That performance was pretty menacing
proud quail
Randall was pretty much Jorge in the moment
versed helm
And it was uplifting and entertaining seeing Locke just kinda nope him
sinful quartz
The whole "ONI RIPPED OUT HIS AUGMENTATION" just seemed kinda Grimderp.
humble yacht
Some of the augmentations
proud quail
i think it's less "ripping" and more "pump these drugs backwards"
versed helm
Yeah nah there are certainly technical elements of Nightfall that come apart under scrutiny tho
Universe-scanning intensifies
sinful quartz
@proud quail Spartan 3's had drugs
versed helm
Tho it was a database
sinful quartz
Spartan 2's had full on bone and nerve replacements
humble yacht
It’s more likely they reversed the surgical elements of his augmentations
feral perch
That article talks about how Nylund would be too late to "redeem the narrative of Halo 6"
pessimism much?
humble yacht
The chemical elements probably couldn’t be reversed
sinful quartz
So they stripped out his entire nervous sysem? 😛