#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 248

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Have you seen his stupid furry video it’s hilarious

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Them*

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Where

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I’m confuse

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Flashgitz is two animators

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Oh

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Their then I thought it was one person

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I wonder if they will be new weapons in infinite

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There

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 1:52 AM

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But it was cool that they promoted it all the way in odst and lol yes it was great

hasty locust Oct 21, 2019, 1:53 AM

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There has been new weapons in vehicles in every halo game so I don’t see why not

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:55 AM

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I don’t think there were new vehicles in 4 or 5

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Mantis

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Oh ye

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I forgot

feral perch Oct 21, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Promethean flying ship

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Phaeton in 5

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Other than that I think it was just new iterations

feral perch Oct 21, 2019, 1:55 AM

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^^

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:55 AM

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And that

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Wasp

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:56 AM

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The newer looks are cool

feral perch Oct 21, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Mantis, Phaeton, Wasp.

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Hm.

hasty locust Oct 21, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Yep

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:56 AM

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And it makes sense because it’s like the Sangheilis own take on the covenants vehicles since no more of the old stuff gets made afaik

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Cause it was all made in high charity wasn’t it

gilded mason Oct 21, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Nah, just a good amount.

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Colonies have a load of assembly forges as well

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Alright

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Why don’t the Sangheili and humans come together to make forge worlds

gilded mason Oct 21, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Forge worlds?

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Worlds dedicated entirely to making stuff

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Baby steps

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Weapons vehicles armours you name it and they probably make it

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But it’s a 40k term

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But it would also make sense I feel in halo

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 1:59 AM

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SoS gave the UNSC helioskrill and needle hogs

sonic ridge Oct 21, 2019, 1:59 AM

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Get a few of each races top engineers and stuff together to collaborate on things

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Bruh

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The needler hog

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I completely forgot about that

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I don’t think I ever even saw one in warzone

hasty locust Oct 21, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Forge worlds seems like something the forerunners have done

subtle depot Oct 21, 2019, 2:36 AM

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I find the needler hog really annoying to use. Now if it kept the shields but got a chain gun that’s a different story

stable schooner Oct 21, 2019, 3:36 AM

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It’s noice imo and I love the design but Onihog>. Also Kills me when Covenant in Warzone use Sword Of Sanghelios Equipment.

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 4:29 AM

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It is a little jarring.

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But it's also far, far from unforeseeable that recently captured equipment would immediately be pressed right back into battle after maybe only a couple-second change of IFF.

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Human history shows that making immediate and effective use of captured enemy equipment is an excellent way of sustaining the momentum of an offensive.

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Or, alternatively, getting access to arms and materiel you don't have in a desperate defence. Both cases of affairs are applicable to Jul's Covenant throughout the events of Halo 5.

remote spruce Oct 21, 2019, 4:32 AM

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The Flood had Marines taking Covie weapons, test them on walls, them immediately continue the assault on Alpha Base

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 4:35 AM

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That's Dietz's own military experience showing through.

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Very fun stuff to read.

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Well, I just assumed it was some kind of escaping plasma residue.

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Alternatively it could be vaporized armour and, well, Ripa guts.

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Gonna be straight with you Donk

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This kind of question is the kind to which the Halo franchise doesn't need to provide an answer

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Artistic interpretation, y'know?

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But If I had to say, best guess, Ripa's done something with his energy swords. Cranked up the intensity of the plasma so hard the containment field's struggling to keep it entirely in check.

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Similar vibes to Kylo's lightsaber, y'know?

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But the actual answer is a boringly out-of-universe one. That's just how the Blur team thought energy swords ought to look.

remote spruce Oct 21, 2019, 4:41 AM

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i thought all energy swords had that (Blur's interpretation?)

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 4:41 AM

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I think it hearkens a little back to less-defined, softer shape of the CE energy sword.

remote spruce Oct 21, 2019, 4:42 AM

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watch some HW2 cutscenes and see if the swords have similar effect

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Well, it seems like different arbiters do different things.

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Ripa was an officer, fundamentally. Like he was a brute, but he was predominately commanding troops.

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He had time to maintain and hold onto one pair of special, ornate energy swords.

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Thel, on the other hand?

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Poor guy was, as with the Chief, just using (and presumably depleting and breaking) whatever he could find, borrow or steal to survive long enough to get what he needed done.

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You're not gonna be picky about using your special limited edition super-duper forged-on-Sanghelios masterwork blades when you're trying not to breathe in Flood spores and dodging murderous Brutes.

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And yeah, that's a good observation.

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Ripa was a dude who was just too brutal for the Covenant, but he became a useful tool.

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Thel, on the other hand (from the perspective of the Covenant if not his own) is probably the individual who endured to sheer greatest shame in the history of the Covenant.

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It'd be kinda like if a Christian religious figure failed a VIP-protection mission in Bible GTA and got Jesus killed.

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You'd probably go down as a bit of an idiot. At best.

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Truth understood that he had butt-kicking potential because truth is smart, but everyone else thought he was pretty worthless till Brutes started to go ape.

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Though if we were to get inside Thel's head, as we know he was probably seriously preoccupied with the Flood during the Battle of Installation 04, so when the ring randomly exploded he was probably didn't feel responsible at all. Presumably, whatever absolute moron accidentally released the Flood in the first place is to blame for that. So he may have been entertaining the hopeful notion in the beginning of Halo 2 that instead of bearing the shame of being publicly humiliated for the loss of the ring he'd get the typical treatment that we learned about in Oblivion - he'd be dismissed back to his fleet, and basically get an Objective: Survive against waves of incoming Silent Shadow assassins till they finally got him.

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Him saying "I will continue my campaign against the humans!" would be him more or less trying to get that fate, given what we know now.

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I was confused on how the Flood got released in the first place, until the Truth and Reconciliation terminal hinted a possibility.

The Covenant were trespassing on the Flood Containment Facility. Looking more for "holy relics" until they accidentally released the nightmare.

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Prompting what we can only assume was a desperate struggle between Thel's troops and the Flood both in space above the ring and particularly down in the tunnels of the Ring's substructure.

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Assuming on the space count that the Flood managed more instances like the Infinite Succour.

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Originally the Covenant locked down the infection and sealed it at a cost, until Keyes and his marines accidentally released it again.

I remember in the book that Keyes realized too late why the Covenant locked down the area in the first place.

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I think it's potentially more plausible if the location in which Keyes and later Chief encountered the Flood was, while a pivotal location in the conflict, not the only location in which the Flood had been fought by the Covenant and contained.

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Keyes opening it up, followed by Chief blowing through whatever remained of the Covenant troops there, probably pushed the balance and caused a much larger outbreak on the surface, though it wasn't the only flashpoint otherwise the resources of the Covenant fleet probably could've been used to crush it.

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Just my interpretation, though.

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Does disagree with the Last Voyage of the Infinite Succour, though, where the Covenant in orbit are seemingly still in the dark regarding the outbreak as Chief was moving in.

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But then, The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succour seems to disagree with the game a little too, as well as modern interpretations of the Covenant's pre-04 relationship with the Flood (which as it stands is "they knew about them and had fought them before at other Forerunner sites".)

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While the Infinite Succour has Thel and Rtas be totally unfamiliar with them.

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Could be compartmentalization, though. Secret-keeping. All kinds of need-to-know shenanigans that I don't quite have the nuanced Covenant lore knowledge to go into rn.

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But it's probably a dodgy source thing.

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 9:26 AM

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I think the lore actually talks about your point and evidences it, i.e. that Flood outbreaks happened across the galaxy. The Forerunners had to contain outbreaks across the galaxy through shield worlds, so it would make sense that the Forerunners would contain outbreaks in sections/leave research stations for people to uncover.

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That and I think it's explained that the Covenant fleet, a major part of it, is otherwise occupied dealing with Atriox or war against the UNSC. A sudden and focused attack on High Charity, together with the outbreak of civil war would have definitely left the Covenant command in disarray and forces not mustered either victim to the Flood, UNSC or Sangheili ship grab

warm ridge Oct 21, 2019, 10:03 AM

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@versed helm @versed helm
Literally just look up lore of Energy swords, it's stated right there and I believe it was even shown in some Halo Wars material outside of the games.
"For example, Arbiter Ripa 'Moramee's matching pair of custom-designed swords had basket-style hilt guards and radiated a high degree of ionized plasma, whereas most energy swords contain the blades' plasma with greater efficiency."

terse lava Oct 21, 2019, 1:42 PM

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@versed helmregarding the flood release on 04, the minister of stewardship was the one sending troops.to the facility one group after another as the previous vanished. Another member in the fleet, Soha 'Rolamee, was then charged and promised to contain the flood. This failed when keyes arrived at the area with his team

strong sage Oct 21, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Ish Johnson an odst? Since he participated the Silent storm mission with the Black daggers

wintry coral Oct 21, 2019, 1:51 PM

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No, he's actually a Spartan-I

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He just wears Marine uniforms

warm maple Oct 21, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Spartan-B

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 2:39 PM

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@strong sage they mostly used Johnson for leading and watching over the Spartan-IIs, he's not an ODST

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 2:48 PM

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His appearance in odst FF is non canon

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Like spartan 1337 : (

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Only way his appearance in ODST FF is canon, is if the simulation theory holds on if ODST FF is like Spartan Assault/Strike, where dead people can be used in Simulations of events and places.

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But atm its a theory based on stuff that exists and is canon already.

hasty locust Oct 21, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Yeah its not too far fetched to assume firefight modes are just wargame sims

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Yeah

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:24 PM

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every playlist is basically war games sims

hasty locust Oct 21, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Yeah

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:25 PM

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lol

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action sack

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Indeed they are. Yet some people point to the idea of multiplayer existing within canon as somehow ruining the games

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:25 PM

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what does mongoose sumo train you for?

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:26 PM

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What does bowling or whatever train you for? xD

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Mongoose Sumo in the outer colonies

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:26 PM

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lol

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 3:26 PM

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You'd have to aim in bowling so that could help with aiming in general

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Slip is actually using knowledge on this

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 3:27 PM

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I'm a knowledgeable person on very specific things

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:28 PM

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prop hunt? how does a S-IV fit in a cone?

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Stealth training and the Spartan doesn't really "fit into a cone" since they're invisible on a Mongoose that's invisible

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Ok, i’m throwing hands

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Now note, I am just using the most logical guesses as to what those modes would actually help with and it in no way means it is 100% canon that S-IVs play prop hunt to learn to be stealthy

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:32 PM

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lol

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:32 PM

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i'd hope that was obvious but you never know

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Well gameplay isnt canon. This applies to War Games also. But War Games Balencing and so on allows for crazy gametypes to exist.

That said Griffball be canon, with Nokyard saying its an ace game in canon

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:34 PM

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ik it’s not actually canon lol

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Yes Nokyard is canon btw. ;) One of the few times a community person made it into canon that wasnt HBO related.

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https://www.halopedia.org/Nokyard

Halopedia

Nokyard

Doctor Nokyard is a professional sports commentator. He has been quoted as saying "Grifball is the best game since Duck, Duck, Goose."

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:36 PM

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ok but if grifball is canon

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:36 PM

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i love it

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:36 PM

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then what's the canon inspiration for the name?

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who is "Grif" in canon?

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:36 PM

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rvb?

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:36 PM

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because RvB is not canon

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:36 PM

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true

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but they are in a lot of easter eggs

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:36 PM

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their voices are

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but not the characters themselves

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:37 PM

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wait really? never knew that

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:37 PM

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in the H3 easter eggs, it's a marine knocking on a door

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they never use names

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:37 PM

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oh yea

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:37 PM

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in the H4 easter eggs i don't think they use names either

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Thats a mystery. Maybe Grifball refers to a rando guy named Grif who made it. Or Grif is a technique in the Sport.

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:38 PM

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also does the canon version of Grifball use a bomb or a ball?

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probably a ball because otherwise the sport would be criminal

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:38 PM

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the RvB character has 2 F's

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I think

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been a while

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CIA does he

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Well if its in War Games sims then explosions dont equal death.

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:39 PM

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the rvb character has 1 F

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Grif

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2019, 3:39 PM

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https://rvb.fandom.com/wiki/Dexter_Grif

Red vs. Blue Wiki

Dexter Grif

Captain Dexter Grif is a main character in Red vs. Blue and is voiced by Geoff Ramsey. He tends to not listen to orders and frequently makes sarcastic comments at the expense of his own team. He...

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:39 PM

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oh, well. TMYK 🌠

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2019, 3:39 PM

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TIL Grif is a Captain.

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:39 PM

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he's not happy about it

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:39 PM

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^ TMYKx2🌠 (CIA's statement)

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 3:40 PM

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tmw you realize Sarge is a colonel

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:40 PM

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I've known that

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2019, 3:41 PM

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*I am so glad the RvB wiki exists. Though I do kinda need to reach out to em at somepoint.

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Why haven't you reached out to them?

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2019, 3:50 PM

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This year has been a busy one for Halopedia. Made more internal strides than external ones. Which is fine. If you can see what we have planned to release in 13 days

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 3:52 PM

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so soon?

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is this the thing you told me to keep an eye out for? 👀

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Ah, fair CIA, being busy does leave little time to do other things

obsidian thistle Oct 21, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Well 13 days from now is a big day for the wiki for those who keeo track of odd dates.

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And well is deffo something lore peeps will want to keep note of cause of what we have managed

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 4:01 PM

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I'll keep an eye out then

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 4:27 PM

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@warm ridge Good find, Person. Though I will say, the Halopedia source is referenced to Halo Wars itself and not any supplemental material where technical information is more likely to appear.

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Unless it's a bit of info in the timeline, it seems to be that someone's drawn conclusions based off the visuals.

hasty locust Oct 21, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Well the nonsense games could be team building or synergy stuff and things

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Which is why I, being someone who does a little Halopedia editing myself, try to stick to hard sources when I give answers and not lean on the site 🤷

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S'just another interpretation, after all, but it does lead you to valuable sources from time to time.

neat bough Oct 21, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Does anyone know if there are any names for the differing variations of the combat forms (ignoring the host species), as some of them still have a functioning head and don't have the Infection Form's sensory tentacles bursting out of their chest or a large tentacle replacing one arm (see Bero 'Kusovai if he was a Combat Form)?

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Officially? Don’t think so

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The seem to be unofficially differentiated by their host species

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 4:45 PM

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My favourite interpretation of combat forms is the one from The Mona Lisa

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Where they're all so twisted and different so as to seem like almost entirely separate forms from one another

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Well I am sure that canonically, every combat form mutates a little differently

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Like a snowflake

hasty locust Oct 21, 2019, 4:55 PM

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A promethean cant get infected but can they still get the logic plague?

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Anything with the capacity to reason could get the logic plague.

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I'm not sure Prometheans have that capacity.

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 4:59 PM

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It’s possible that they lack the cognitive capacity to fall victim to the plague

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A lot of their former selves has been eroded or locked away by the composing process

gilded mason Oct 21, 2019, 5:00 PM

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pretty rude tbh

tiny harness Oct 21, 2019, 5:10 PM

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The only thing that mentions immunity and the Prometheans is in mythos

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he gathered his most loyal warriors, the Prometheans, and used the composer to integrate their essences into resilient, heavily weaponized combat skins that could withstand the trauma of directly engaging the flood Mythos pg.32

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 5:21 PM

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There may be a psychological element there too.

tiny harness Oct 21, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Its less that. logic plague spreads via signal

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Maybe after thousands of years of battling the Flood the sheer horror of it was creating soldiers too mentally scarred to fight.

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Are you sure about the logic plague thing?

tiny harness Oct 21, 2019, 5:22 PM

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It spreads via speech and communication systems.

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Yeah, it spreads through speech and communication systems

tiny harness Oct 21, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Yeah. How else did the Forerunners lose a lot of their AIs and have their armor crush the wearers

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Because it's the Gravemind basically just messing with their heads

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It's not, like, something akin to a Dead Space Marker

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Communication is required

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Basically these AI are going up against an incomprehensible, immensely intelligent entity from another dimension in a debate

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And that's going to cause problems

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 5:23 PM

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However at advanced stage flood, the plague can spread from AI to AI

tiny harness Oct 21, 2019, 5:23 PM

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No

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 5:23 PM

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But yes, communication is required.

tiny harness Oct 21, 2019, 5:24 PM

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the Gravemind can just dump information into the AI like Cortana got to experience

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 5:24 PM

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That was an attempt to induce rampancy

tiny harness Oct 21, 2019, 5:25 PM

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It was interogation to find out about the index I think

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Rampancy is not fatal in forerunner AI

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 5:25 PM

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I'm not even entirely convinced Forerunner AIs go rampant.

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I think it's just good old fashioned insanity.

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 5:25 PM

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It’s tough because the definition of rampancy changed

tiny harness Oct 21, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Well the closest example of Guilty Spark for a human AI is that one AI that focused only on making sure a station didn't get destroyed

warm ridge Oct 21, 2019, 5:39 PM

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"A smart AI functions within a virtual processing platform known as a Riemann matrix. The AI's cognitive processes are constantly developing and creating new synaptic connections within the matrix. As the AI ages, these connections increase in density and, after a period of approximately seven years, the AI's neural map begins to outgrow the limited space of the matrix. This forces the neural linkages into a more and more narrow space, increasing the density of the links and causing them to overlap"
https://www.halopedia.org/Rampancy

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The Domain is essentially a "unlimited storage/matrix device" so rampancy can never come. It is unknown as to whether or not Forerunner AI's are also connected to the Domain somehow, but Human AI's were not until Cortana. Rampancy to a Forerunner AI is similar to going insane basically, or through other psychological reasons.

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last I checked this definition of rampancy hasn't changed since it was introduced to us in 2010, not sure if rampancy was ever explained in 2007 and on wards though.

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 6:10 PM

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In Bungie era halo, Rampancy defaulted to the definition as defined in the Marathon series

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 6:51 PM

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We see 2401 Penitent Tangent go rampant in H2

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or so, i think that's rampancy in a monitor

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 6:52 PM

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It’s unknown if he was rampant

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While his eye was red, that may have been his natural eye color

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Not necessarily a sign of rampancy

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A monitor’s duty is to follow protocol

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 6:55 PM

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I thought it would of been rampancy or something beyond those lines because he was basically stolen by a gravemind

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Not really

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 6:56 PM

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They are programmed to, they don't have a choice really

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Flood combat is one of their protocols

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 6:57 PM

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it's like Siri, she is programmed to do certain things and can't really go out of that, or so that's how i think of it

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Siri is a program

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 6:58 PM

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ok, true she isn't really sentient or anything.

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Monitors have been brainwashed in a sense

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At least the composed ones

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 7:00 PM

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i can see that, true

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do we have any knowledge if Monitors can be logic plagued?

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Not specifically monitors, no

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 7:07 PM

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I feel it'd be like OB, they'd just dismiss the information

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Well OB wasn’t an installation monitor

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But yeah, OB likely lacked the capacity to consider the flood’s argument

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 7:08 PM

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I believe Tangent's eye colour was red in the CEA Terminals as well

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 7:09 PM

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i checked halopedia, and it says it's natural color is red

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 7:09 PM

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He communicated with a plagued MB at the height of the Flood’s power, meaning that the plague had the ability to spread to OB from MB

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However OB was fine

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Later on MB said his own weakness was his capacity to choose the flood, though it was unintentional

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 7:11 PM

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I never knew that part

stable schooner Oct 21, 2019, 7:32 PM

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So when Bias “died” was he still rampant?

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 7:33 PM

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no

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bias recovered quite quickly it seems

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there was this shard that escaped prison and went out to try and atone on its own

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but it got caught by the covenant

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and, well, that whole thing

last anchor Oct 21, 2019, 7:35 PM

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To be fair, it kinda crashed on Janjur Quom so. "caught" might not be the best translation.

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Its more like the drunk frat guy who crashes into your living room and just wont leave.
But with holy relics

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 7:37 PM

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either way, sometime after imprisonment, Bias had already recovered to an extent

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so by the time the shards reformed on the Ark to help Chief, he def was no longer under the Flood's influence

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this is evident by the final H3 terminal

last anchor Oct 21, 2019, 7:39 PM

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I mean if you sit in a block for 100,000 years or so and listen to "atonement" every second of that tmie you'll probably wanna go out and do something nice just to get away from it.

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 7:39 PM

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that's assuming it took 100k years before that shard escaped

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all that's said is that some indiscriminate amount of time after the Halo firing, that shard took a Keyship and yeeted off into the inky black of space

last anchor Oct 21, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Well we can probably assume it was A WHILE

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 7:43 PM

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maybe

stoic hamlet Oct 21, 2019, 7:55 PM

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~~to pass butter~~

stable schooner Oct 21, 2019, 7:56 PM

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“Oh my god”

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 7:57 PM

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lol

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but seriously, OB was designed specifically to counter MB

warm ridge Oct 21, 2019, 8:32 PM

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2401 Penitent Tangent was in "battle mode/threat mode" I'm pretty sure.

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Not during the CEA Terminals he wasn't

warm ridge Oct 21, 2019, 8:52 PM

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in the CEA terminals he had more of a lighter red rather then the darker one we see him in H2A/H2

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 8:53 PM

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that could just be an art thing

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rather than a canonical color change

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unless the shade of red changes in the terminals themselves

feral perch Oct 21, 2019, 9:04 PM

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That’s the weirdest idea.

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 9:05 PM

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how so?

feral perch Oct 21, 2019, 9:10 PM

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To have the basic eye color and combat mode be barely distinguishable

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 9:11 PM

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oh yeah

carmine sleet Oct 21, 2019, 9:48 PM

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She fires railgun shots in the Easter egg

humble yacht Oct 21, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Their main function may not be combat but they are combat-ready in case the need arises

terse lava Oct 21, 2019, 10:22 PM

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To this day I dont understand his logic there. The flood was loose on the ark and a halo. If ring would be ready in a few days, what was his plan to defend both areas

terse lava Oct 21, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Few months? He said a few more days. As for sentinels,he has no authority on the ark, yet with the halo he never provides an alternative

heavy tide Oct 21, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Pretty sure that sentinels are able to acknowledge a flood threat on their own if there is one, so guiltyspark probably didn't have to do anything to get help with the situation on the Ark

terse lava Oct 21, 2019, 10:44 PM

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True, that would fall to the monitor there, yet the halo was under his jurisdiction

heavy tide Oct 21, 2019, 10:45 PM

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True, but there were sentinels on Halo 04c as well

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Besides they only needed to protect a couple places on the ring anyway. The control room and the batteries

terse lava Oct 21, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Yet they failed that

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Within moments of his defeat, his sentinels had allowed the flood inside

heavy tide Oct 21, 2019, 10:47 PM

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I guess

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But Spark could've tried to get backup from the Ark's sentinels if he wasn't destroyed

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Otherwise the Sentinels on the ark probably would've responded anyway if the flood on 04c became too much of a threat and were still positioned at the Ark

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 11:06 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/585895061858811934/625326463272484885/SPOILER_bruh_moment-3.mp4

gilded mason Oct 21, 2019, 11:07 PM

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A bit off-topic.

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Just a tad.

gilded mason Oct 21, 2019, 11:33 PM

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It did have a monitor.

terse lava Oct 21, 2019, 11:33 PM

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It had one

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Tragic solitude

versed helm Oct 21, 2019, 11:33 PM

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https://www.halopedia.org/000_Tragic_Solitude

terse lava Oct 21, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Name truly fitting with the backstory of him

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Though, does.make.me wondering he survived someonehow6

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He wasnt the first

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Oldest one we.know if was the warden at 25,000.year old by the time if the flood

warm ridge Oct 21, 2019, 11:56 PM

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@versed helm Monitors are always combat ready and turn red when there combat functions are turned on. Idk if 434 added this function for Exuberant witness or not considering she was never meant to fire lasers anyways, but in the comic books like The next 72 hours when you meet the Didact on installation 03, when he disables the Didact's armor and fights the Prometheans he does turn red as in combat mode.

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@humble yacht sorry for the ping but the shade of red is 100% different, in H2A it's much darker and far more pronounced while in CEA when you see him it's much lighter, like a light red color rather then a darker one.

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663 had a far more "hostile demeaner" suggesting he was already in combat mode 24/7 due to him managing a line installation and practically always being in combat against the Flood/always attempting to finding a "cure".

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yes we do wot

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he practically vaporized Reff with his main weapon even

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along with using the "gravitational field" that pushes objects and bullets away to

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same thing 343 guilty spark did when he turned red

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did you even read the comic

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https://www.halopedia.org/686_Ebullient_Prism

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read that and then look at the images, he did all the things Guilty Spark did when he turned red.

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..and you clearly didn't read what I said before.

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"663 had a far more "hostile demeaner" suggesting he was already in combat mode 24/7 due to him managing a line installation and practically always being in combat against the Flood/always attempting to finding a "cure"."

remote spruce Oct 22, 2019, 12:06 AM

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7 Broken ipod

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:07 AM

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It even says the same thing in that Halopedia page lol

remote spruce Oct 22, 2019, 12:07 AM

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49 **** Lightbulb

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:08 AM

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I'm going on the fact that he was a monitor made for a specific purpose, and is always in combat ready mode due to managing a line installation.

remote spruce Oct 22, 2019, 12:09 AM

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red laser face

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:10 AM

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as for 2401 Penitent Tangent, we do see 2 different color variations. Artistic differences or not, they exist.

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/3/32/MonitorsTerminal.jpeg

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we can even see Penitent Tangent in this picture, in the back, much lighter red color over-all.

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orange is to the left/right, can't tell which. That'd be 049 Abject Testament.

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middle is red

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you go from that, to this dark red color seen here https://www.halopedia.org/images/3/35/H2A_-_MonitorGravemind.jpg

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are you talking about the garbled transmission one? it's still red, but not the dark piercing red.

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dude, he was specifically in combat mode and it's not because he was in "close proximity to the flood" lmfao

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they go in combat mode in and out when they use there weapons at will. I'm suspecting he may of been partially damaged hence why none of his weapons worked, how he got damaged is unknown.

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as far as we know 2401 Penitent Tangent had a problem from the beginning according to 343 Guilty Spark's suspicions, he wouldn't do any of his maintaining abilities or really anything else at all.
The same thing would've happened to Installation 03 considering 049 Abject Testament also disappeared off his ring for over 20,000 years, and if it wasn't for the Humans discovering it + 859 Static Carillon noticing a service portal was available in order to fix the ring at all, the Flood would've also broke out and probably created yet another Gravemind.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:21 AM

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I wouldn’t call Warden a Monitor

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His function was more guard duty than custodian

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Guilty Spark was obviously alarmed by 2401 Penitent Tangent not maintaining his ring/having some sort of problem, but he couldn't do anything about it.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Exuberant was Monitor of Genesis which is also where Warden was stationed

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:23 AM

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who said the Warden was a monitor?

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Warden is far more about guard duty, protecting various Forerunner satellites and can likely travel/teleport to any Forerunner station he was positioned at. You can kinda even see this in H5 when he shows up at the Guardian on Meridan, and shows up again on Sanghelios to.

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not only that he has millions of bodies spread across the galaxy probably, so destroying him isn't really much of a option.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Someone equated warden to a monitor earlier

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Ah, it was Ado, he called the warden the oldest monitor

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:40 AM

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How long had truth planned to replace elites with brutes

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:40 AM

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A long time

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Why

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:41 AM

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The elites were too smart and too hard to control

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 12:41 AM

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He felt Brutes were easier to control, on average

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:41 AM

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I'm not sure about that. It seems like a late-war development, just considering how harsh he was with Atriox.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:41 AM

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Okay

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They’re more savage and feral but also more simple minded

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:41 AM

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But then, we don't get hard dates with the Rise of Atriox comics, so it's a bit up in the air.

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:42 AM

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He was harsh with Atriox due to him being a smart Brute who tries to take control. Brutes like him are sent out on suicide missions that are literally planned for them to straight up not survive. The Prophets specifically order them to do this even.

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because Atriox kept on surviving, they had an entire plan acted out to kill him which back fired.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:43 AM

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It's not clear that he was understood to be so clever before he was assigned to suicide missions, and the Brutes that followed him aren't clearly independent thinkers either; they just didn't like being sacrificed.

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:44 AM

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most of the Brutes that survived along side Atriox were typically independent thinkers that ended up following him.

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Notably his 2nd in command can be seen right next to him during the whole fight.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:44 AM

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What the hell lmao

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:44 AM

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I'm not sure I would attribute their willingness to follow Atriox to anything more than pack loyalty and survival sense.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:44 AM

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I’m watching this 3 hour video about Thel Vadam and like 34 minutes in it’s just a guy like playing through the missions or something

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Oh, I think he’s just going through some of the key plot areas to give context.

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Where’s it from where you see the conversation between 343 and the heretic leader

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Obviously it's about surviving/pack loyalty, but the pack loyalty with Atriox is about being a independent thinker and making your own decisions. Various other Brutes have tried challenging Atriox on his beliefs, believing the way Atriox is doing it is wrong.

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the Covenant in particular do not like "independent thinkers" capable of taking control of an entire race to go against the Covenant.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:47 AM

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iirc, one was a traitor and the other was Jovus.

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:47 AM

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just like they did not like various different Elites who went against the Covenant etc.

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Where’s it from where you see the conversation between 343 and the heretic leader
The H2A terminals

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Okay

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Why didn’t he just get the oracle to speak to the arbiter and other elites in the first place

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:48 AM

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@feral perch From what we know about the Covenant, people who go against the beliefs are either killed on the spot depending on how strong there heresy was, or sent out on non-stop suicide missions until they die.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:48 AM

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yeah.

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I wasn't debating that.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Why do the prophets want to activate the rings

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Do they actually believe the stuff themselves

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Cause I thought they didn’t

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 12:51 AM

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They thought it would lead to transcendence

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:51 AM

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They did

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Okay

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Truth later realized the truth.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:51 AM

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No he didn’t

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Which is why he goes to the ark?

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:51 AM

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The only truth Truth realized was that humans were connected to the Forerunners

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:52 AM

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I liked that scene

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 12:52 AM

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No he didn’t
He says some fairly suspicious things in Halo 3 regarding it.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:52 AM

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“I admit that I do need your help, but that truth will die with the rest.”

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Or something

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Key word here is die.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:52 AM

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That secret dies with all the rest

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Secrets

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Did he mean that literally?

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Oh

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Close enough

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Transcendence would mean no need for secrets anymore

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Also, if he did know what the rings did, then he'd know nothing would happen to anyone on the Ark. He would just be left standing there awkwardly with his Brute bodyguards.

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What then?

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Lol

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Yea

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 12:53 AM

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There's also this:
I opened the portal to this hallowed place, this shelter from Halo's fire, in the hopes that more of our Covenant would join us. Alas, save for a rabble of Heretics and their Demon allies, we are all that remains on this new world. So we must temper joy and sorrow in our hearts, for those who were left behind.

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this shelter from Halo's fire

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:54 AM

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They’ve called it a lot of things

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Divine wind

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Holy fire

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Sacred fire

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 12:54 AM

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The key is "shelter from"

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Why would they want to be in a shelter from it, if it brings the Great Journey?

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Yea

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Where is that line from btw

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:54 AM

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I've never noticed that dialogue, hmm.

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 12:54 AM

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'The Covenant', near the end

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:55 AM

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Oh

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:55 AM

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I don’t remember that line

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:55 AM

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Is it when the flood is helping you

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:55 AM

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Who did he say that to

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:55 AM

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You pulled it from Halopedia, Ostral?

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:55 AM

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He has those holograms up in each room between enemies

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 12:55 AM

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It's from a hologram, surely.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:55 AM

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That doesn’t make sense

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:55 AM

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How could I have known the parasite would follow

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:55 AM

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The only reason the covenant follows him was for the promise of salvation

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 12:56 AM

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Holy, finally got up to this

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:56 AM

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This is undoubtedly the heretics doing

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:56 AM

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If they found out he was killing them all then they’d abandon him

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:56 AM

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Well he did die like 3 minutes after that

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 12:56 AM

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Ah, it was during The Ark.

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Broadcast to the Scarab

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:56 AM

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Not from his own Troops tho

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They defended him to their last

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 12:57 AM

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True

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:57 AM

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Well he created the arbiter

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 12:57 AM

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Created?

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He simply.made thel the newest

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:57 AM

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Exactly

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He seemed to be the only one in 2 who wanted to let him live to carry out their doing

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Regret was telling him to kill him

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 12:58 AM

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@humble yachtas to the monitor thing chimera, didn't bornsteller comment on him being a.monitor? Obviously not the type for the rings, but similar build

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:59 AM

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He humiliated Thel and took his life away from him and put him in the arbiters suit and the arbiter was the one to finally kill him

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Well

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:59 AM

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When did bornstellar ever mention the warden

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:59 AM

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Who is bornstelllar

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 12:59 AM

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@humble yachtduring.faber's trial

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 12:59 AM

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The Warden wasn’t even called Warden until Cortana met him

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 12:59 AM

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Who is bornstelllar
Iso-Didact

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 12:59 AM

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No.not that transformer reject

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:59 AM

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I still think that's false actually Chimera.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:00 AM

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I don’t remember if that’s the one who activated the rings or the one who was prisoner within the ball

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:00 AM

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She named him her Warden Eternal in Domain Splinter

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 1:00 AM

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I don’t remember if that’s the one who activated the rings or the one who was prisoner within the ball
Former is him, latter is Ur-Didact

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:00 AM

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Even the monitor of Genesis calls him the Warden, so no.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:00 AM

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Okay

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:00 AM

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he was always called the Warden 100%

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:00 AM

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Talking about the warden from.cryptum, the green eyed monitor that acted as a warden and a defendant of forerunners.on trial

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:00 AM

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Yes she calls him that after he had been taken over

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:00 AM

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Cortana made him her Warden, but his name was already the Warden Eternal before this.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:01 AM

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He did not introduce himself as Warden to Cortana

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:01 AM

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again, the Monitor calls him by his actual name, Warden Eternal. She had no idea what Cortana did to him or anything else at all.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:01 AM

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I found out that the didact didn’t even die in 4

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:01 AM

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He didn't introduce himself as anything to Cortana, because obviously there'd be no point to.

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again, his name was already Warden Eternal before this

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Or

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:02 AM

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How do you know what EW was privy to, Person?

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Warden announced himself as Warden Eternal after Cortana hacked him

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Or, his name was already Warden Eternal before this and even the Monitor of Genesis calls him the Warden Eternal. Cortana never changed his name.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Well we may never know

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I like my idea better

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:02 AM

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except we do because that's 100% what he calls himself lol

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:02 AM

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After he was hacked yes

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Otherwise the Monitor of Genesis would've never called him the Warden

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Never before

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Dude he was named Warden Eternal before, the monitor of Genesis would've never called him the Warden Eternal if he was not.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:03 AM

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The Warden may simply have told Exuberant Witness, “Hey I’m called Warden Eternal now.”

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Show me where he’s called Warden eternal before encountering Cortana and i’ll concede

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:03 AM

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@feral perch ..except he didn't, because the Monitor was against everything the Warden Eternal was doing.

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in fact she was against both Cortana and the Warden from the start.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:04 AM

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what does that have to do with anything?

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She wouldn’t use his new name because she didn’t like his cooperation with Cortana?

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:04 AM

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All I can say is the Monitor of Genesis specifically calls him the Warden Eternal and nothing else. Hacked or not, the Monitor would've never known his name ever got changed.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Why not?

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Unless he announced the change

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To his forces

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:04 AM

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^^^^

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Possible

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Cortana again, made him her specific Warden, not that his name got changed to Warden Eternal.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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you haven’t proved that

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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except again the Monitor would not agree with this.

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and would still call him his original name.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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proof?

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Maybe she respects peoples names

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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You only assume that because you’d do that to spite warden if you were exuberant

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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the proof is the fact that the monitor disagreed with cortana/warden from the beginning what @feral perch

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Lol, that’s not proof

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:06 AM

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how hard is that to understand

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:06 AM

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that’s not enough

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:06 AM

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That speculation

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:06 AM

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That's not speculation, that's literally exactly what happened lmfao

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:06 AM

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That’s absolutely speculation

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:06 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/031_Exuberant_Witness

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:06 AM

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And you lose credibility every time you deny that

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:06 AM

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nope.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:06 AM

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What on that page are you referencing?

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:07 AM

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read the page Stonewall.

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Rise of the Created

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:07 AM

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I just read it

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:07 AM

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she 100% disagreed with the entire plan, and his name was already the Warden.

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:07 AM

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I.am.not sure halopedia, like any wiki, can be used as a source

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:08 AM

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It doesn’t support person’s argument at all

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:08 AM

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It does though lmfao what

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It 100% doesn't support yours, neither does your belief of Cortana changing his name when that didn't happen.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Witness disagreeing with Cortana and warden is an entirely separate issue from her calling Warden by a designation

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:08 AM

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You must be referring to this: “Working together with Promethean ancilla Warden Eternal,”

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Domain splinter is my evidence

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And while it may not be 100% infallible, it’s stronger than yours

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Domain Splinter never mentioned his name was changed, so no that's not evidence.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Domain splinter calls him a “keeper” until Cortana dubs him her Warden

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:09 AM

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But again, that’s just the only name we know him by—not proof he was always called that.

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Domain Splinter simply stated what his name already was, same way the monitor of Genesis also called him.

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@feral perch "Warden. Why do you help the ancilla? It is not protocol! It is not right!"

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Except it only stated that after she had hacked him

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Never called him warden before that moment

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Except that doesn't prove anything, because his name was already the Warden Eternal.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Why does he believe cortana is to take the mantle

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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you’re just repeating yourself

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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because that's what you keep doing stonewall

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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He didn’t initially @sonic ridge

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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and chimera to

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Is it because she’s a human based ai

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Cortana tricked and hacked him

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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I don't understand why you think his name ever got changed honestly lol

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Cause she’s like a clone of Halsey or whatever as an ai

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Now he serves her

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Oh

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Okay

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She’s a thief but she keeps what she steals

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:11 AM

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unless she also managed to change and hack the monitor of Genesis's own thoughts to, unlikely/never happened. She just ripped her ability to control the installation using the Warden Eternal to do it.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:11 AM

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Lol I’ve never seen someone so unwilling to accept alternate interpretations

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Or someone so oblivious to their own fallacies

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:12 AM

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What’s a fallacy

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Flaws

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Okay

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Maybe he’s channeling a memory from an alternate reality where warden was always called warden

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:12 AM

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It's not that I'm unwilling, it's just flaws in your interpretations that don't make sense to what actually happens.

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Correction, a mistaken belief @sonic ridge

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:13 AM

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The covenant

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Yep

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:13 AM

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"oblivious to there own fallacies" now you definitely aren't making sense lol. You can stop logical fallacing it up now.

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https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/characters/warden-eternal

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:13 AM

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The covenant’s whole belief system was based on a mistranslation

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:13 AM

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He may have been called just the “Warden” before.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Or halopedia is just using that designation for simplicity’s sake

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Because calling him “unnamed guard ancilla” would be wordy

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:15 AM

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I guess we’d need Grim to shed light on this topic, or Frankie.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:15 AM

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Just a possibility

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Grim, I’d ask grim

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:15 AM

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Is the arbiter usze and N’tho with chief the entire time canonically or only the missions where the arbiter appears in singleplayer?

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:15 AM

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Canon wise no

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:15 AM

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Like on tsavo highway on singleplayer arbiter isn’t there

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:15 AM

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Single player is most likely the closest to the canonical events

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Okay

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Other than the fact usze and N’tho aren’t there

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But I see what you mean

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Makes sense for them to not be there I guess tbh

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:16 AM

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One could argue I guess the two helped lead the sangheili assault on the 2nd.tower

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:16 AM

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The presentation of the gameplay is not always strictly canon

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The overarching events are canon tho

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Since it would be 3 ai who could “die” by tthen comeback

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How come usze and N’tho are never in cutscenes tho

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:17 AM

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On another topic, what wod the ecumene be considered, a theocracy?

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Cause they’re like definitely with them on the covenant

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Hunters in the Dark tells us that N’tho and Usze were with Chief and Arbiter when they shut down the rings and killed Truth.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Yea

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I just finished that book a couple days ago

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Beyond that, idk.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Actually I do know

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They only added them like a year or two after the game came out didn’t they

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Originally in 3 coop you would all be custom Spartans wouldn’t you

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And then they changed it

ebon heron Oct 22, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Imagine if truth wasn’t a giant phallus

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:18 AM

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@sonic ridgeno they were in the game.from the get go

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Are you sure?

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:18 AM

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@sonic ridgeof course

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Yes

ebon heron Oct 22, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Why couldn’t we have nice prophets

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:18 AM

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I remember seeing old gameplay where people were all different Spartans

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:19 AM

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@sonic ridgebought the game day one they were there

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:19 AM

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:/

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:19 AM

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Okay

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:19 AM

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@sonic ridgethatd halo 2

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:19 AM

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Yeah the co op characters were never Spartans

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For halo 3

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:19 AM

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But halo 2 is 2 player

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I swear I saw some let me go look

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I mean we’re talking like videos I watched 10 years ago

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 1:19 AM

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You are thinking of something other than Halo 3 campaign co-op.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Reach co-op fits that description

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Yea

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@ebon heronthere have been portrayals have good san shyuum though. The two main characters from broken circle for example

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:23 AM

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It was 3 tho

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Unless they had like mods to do it ontheir Xbox idk

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I found a thing by genralkidd or whatever and he says about a modded Xbox at the end

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:25 AM

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Well

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That is not something to be discussed

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And not official

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:25 AM

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I didn’t know about the elites until 2010 when I got gold and did that one vidmaster challenge

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:25 AM

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Ok?

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 1:26 AM

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In case you might not still believe us for some reason, Frik:
http://halo.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?link=thesoundofsack&type=topnews

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:27 AM

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I read that

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But I didn’t see date

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 1:27 AM

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7/31/2007

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Alright

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:27 AM

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I wonder if the covenant. Could have held the mantle had. Bias just taught them properly

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:27 AM

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They couldn’t activate stuff tho

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Eh, Bias could probably fix that up.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Doubt it

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At the end of the day, bias was at the service of the reclaimers

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You can’t just go and make new reclaimers

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Bruh

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Is that N’tho and usze in the cutscene at the end of floodgate

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Hm

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:30 AM

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When Johnson and arbiter take weapons from each other’s sides

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A red major and a blue/purple assault

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Or well red minor I guess if we go by armour

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:31 AM

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@humble yachtwhat I mean is, teach them so when humanity pops up, things are ready

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 1:31 AM

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N'Tho wears blue Minor, and Usze wears red Assault, so no.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Okay

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You know what woulda been cool for some missions of 3 with coop

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Like on the covenant it woulda been cool if the arbiter player was off shutting down the second tower

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 1:44 AM

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The level couldn't load all of that, I assume

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:44 AM

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Maybe

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I did always wonder why the games would randomly say loading

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And I figured it out like a week ago

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I hope chief and arbiter have lines together in infinite

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 1:47 AM

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I hope there even are ally Elites.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:48 AM

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I absolutely hate that they don’t even like acknowledge each other at the end of 5

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Yea

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:54 AM

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In halo 2 arbiter and rtas greet each other just with head movements

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Or well acknowledge rather than greet

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And they had been through less at that point that chief and arby had gone through in 3

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And chief plays one of the biggest roles in his life really

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If chief didn’t destroy the ring Thel would still be the supreme commander guy and then everyone woulda died

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But he destroyed it and set in motion the prophets creating a new arbiter

ebon heron Oct 22, 2019, 1:57 AM

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I should read broken circle sometime then

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Never heard of it

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 1:59 AM

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I should read broken circle sometime then
Definitely should.

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 2:06 AM

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@ebon heronwonderful book if you are a covenant fan

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@gilded masonwhat was your favorite part of the book?

stoic hamlet Oct 22, 2019, 2:08 AM

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Broken Circle was great.

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Not even a covie fan but I loved it

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Hm. For the Past: Ussa's plot line
Present: Zo's intrigue

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And I liked his Elite friends saving him.

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Dang good choices

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Did like how they actually decided to take a dive into covenant history. How we get more books that do that

ebon heron Oct 22, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Ye I like the covenant

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I think they’re more fleshed out, ironically enough, than the UNSC

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Both factions are well written don’t get me wrong

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But there’s just so much more potential with covenant lore compared to UNSC

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 3:11 AM

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I agree.

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...Not that I'm biased or anything, no sir.

ebon heron Oct 22, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Heh

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If only we got to see some of those allied hunters we saw in h2 in h3

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Since iirc lekgolo were divided during schism but more of them sided with the Sangheili?

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Yeah.

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Most sided with the Elites but they were indeed on both sides

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Bungie's excuse was that they didn't wanna confuse players, but I thought that was pretty silly.

ebon heron Oct 22, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Yeah that’s a silly reason lo

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Just make the ally hunters green

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Easy solution :L

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 3:14 AM

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When ODST Literally adds Gold Hunters the next game

ebon heron Oct 22, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Ye lmao

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Exactly

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And give grunts yellow packs, as that was apparently the national color for sangheili

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Or use Spec Op Grunts since theirs none in 3 and they all sided with the Separatists in 2

remote spruce Oct 22, 2019, 3:17 AM

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if players ain't confused about green phantoms, there are no problems

ebon heron Oct 22, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Kek

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Btw did 343 say they weren’t making H3 anniversary?

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Ain’t that the Truth

ebon heron Oct 22, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Or is H3 anniversary also going to be a thing eventually?

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 3:19 AM

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No plans for it

ebon heron Oct 22, 2019, 3:19 AM

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So basically, no plans atm but it’s a potential future project

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Does anyone have the sales figures for H1 and H2 anniversary?

remote spruce Oct 22, 2019, 3:20 AM

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they should naturally be low

ebon heron Oct 22, 2019, 3:20 AM

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naturally

deep pewter Oct 22, 2019, 3:22 AM

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MCC has probably sold around 7-8 million units, which is really good for a rerelease collection

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But MS stopped giving out official sales numbers after 3 so we’ll never really know

remote spruce Oct 22, 2019, 3:24 AM

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i mean have you seen them on legendary?

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Lol

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Cough 1 Magnum shot

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 3:26 AM

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The lekgolo have a very fast reproduction rate, and there are trillions of them, they are extremely intelligent also

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:26 AM

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The lekgolo could combine into more than just the hunter form, towering behemoths or horrifying swarms

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 3:26 AM

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and could hijack ships, as we see sort of in nightfall

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:27 AM

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They were also tier 3 if I recall. Correctly

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 3:27 AM

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yes, tier 3 i believe

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wait, no, tier 4

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because the gravity on their planet is so high, it was hard for them to get out of space

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but they were still very advanced

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:28 AM

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@versed helmah was it tier 4? Alright then

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Shoot, just checked Halopedia, Tier 3

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sorry

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excerpt from Halopedia Since their combined forms could potentially be highly intelligent, the Lekgolo were able to develop Tier 3 technology on their own, though their space travel capabilities remained highly limited due to the high gravity of their homeworld.[2] At some point following the firing of the Halo Array and their reintroduction to the moons of Te, a number of Lekgolo colonies settled in Forerunner installations orbiting the gas giant. These colonies developed distinct appetites; while many consumed the Forerunner structures themselves for food, others ate anything except Forerunner materials. After several millennia, the Forerunner constructs were almost completely broken down, with the debris forming rings in the planet's orbit.

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*"taming of the hunter"*s, lekgolo were pretty essential to the covenant

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they also were scarabs if you didn't know

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Btw has it ever been said what type of vessels are portrayed on the cover if broken circle and later halo mythos?

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 3:35 AM

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hard to exterminate things that can go underground

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lol

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Heh

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 3:37 AM

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and the covenant i'm pretty sure were upset that the lekgolo destroyed most the forerunner artifacts, so it's possible they wanted to invade on the ground and see if there were any more artifacts, but they lost basically all the ground wars.

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Who was the arbiter at the time of the Taming of the Hunters? anyone know?

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Just an unnamed guy

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Yep, he had a ranger type of arbiter armor

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 3:38 AM

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an unnamed guy

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neat

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 3:43 AM

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What's neat to think about, is that for almost two thousand years, it was only San'Shyuum, Sangheili, and Lekgolo in the Covenant. Then Yanme'e were the next for several more centuries.

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Elites and Hunters had 2000 years of bonding

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:45 AM

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That's something I always wondered of being the cause of the covenant's...rather dour look on the client races. Why they are treated so lousy. For thousands of years they had j ly worms and bugs

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Crazy how integrated the Grunts where in Covenant society. I wonder how things went without them in the Elite, Hunter Prophet trio.

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Likely a more "shared" workload

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 3:48 AM

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It lasted almost 2000 years that ain’t bad

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Eh

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Lekgolo doing heavy lifting, sangheili constricting and san shyuum researching

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Also note, for 500 years the grunts were nothi g mor then workers

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They didnt enter combat until after the grunt rebellion, or at least as soldiers

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 3:56 AM

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I like how the Sangheili of Malurok actually have Yanme'e-inspired armor, thanks to them living together.

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Now that’s NEAT

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Do they? Where did you hear that

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 3:57 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/images/6/6d/Sangheili_Clan_Leader.jpg

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 3:58 AM

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.....how did I never notice that

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Then again, the armornrhe heretics wore as well

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 4:02 AM

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You’ll be missed Hunter Heretics

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Indeed

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Although from what I have seen, wouldn't it be a tad boring fighting hunter after hunter?

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Of course it wouldn’t work in gameplay but if their was Heretic Elites and Grunts with them on the side I think it would work.

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 4:08 AM

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True

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Funny, the hierarchs send an arbiter to quell heresy in a gas mine,yet wargleet says there were heretical cults in high charity's ports

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 4:18 AM

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I guess because they were more on the down-low.

stoic hamlet Oct 22, 2019, 4:19 AM

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It was about sending a message

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I am aware, just find it funny in a way

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I mean. Heck, if I recall correctly, the belief in the rings being used for the journey had waned somewhat during the last age of doubt

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Rather, just amassing forerunner relics would do it

fair hazel Oct 22, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Some planets like Algerian would benefit from Cortana

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Aleria*

sudden shuttle Oct 22, 2019, 4:35 AM

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speaking of which, I need to rewatch Nightfall

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 10:48 AM

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@gilded mason You get a bit of a perspective on Sangheili society operating without the others species in either Mortal Dictata or Thursday War. Essentially the Sangheili are trying to pick up on all the functions the Unggoy and the Kig'Yar performed with some Jilharanae and Unggoy serfs in the picture.

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The narrative does stress that Sangheili society has taken a hit by not having the help of other species. I guess the species that is most missed by all species if not the Sangheili alone are the Engineers, they pretty much did everything for the Covenant bar fighting

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:07 AM

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Why doesn’t arbiter have armour on his left arm

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:37 AM

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@sonic ridge It's how he likes to present himself. That's all we really know honestly.

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Ever since Thel became the Arbiter, it's how his armor has always been since. One side always has more armor then the other.

stoic hamlet Oct 22, 2019, 11:38 AM

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If it was his sword arm I could maybe understand as like better mobility

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:39 AM

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No but he literally has nothing on his left arm

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He always had armour there in 2 and 3

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Minor armor on his left arm but it was there.

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In H5 he doesn't.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:45 AM

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Yea

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:45 AM

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his right arm was always the most bulk

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:45 AM

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Yea I’m not saying anything about his right arm

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:45 AM

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anyways refer to back what I originally said, he just likes to present himself like that. That's all we know.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:45 AM

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It doesn’t make any sense though

warm ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:46 AM

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In the real world it's just the design 343 decided to go with.

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:50 AM

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I hope they give him some left arm Armor in infinite

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Left arm armour or more defined muscle

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2019, 11:59 AM

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I like the bare left arm look for him, makes him even more unique among the Elites

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 12:01 PM

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He looks unique with just his armour

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Why are the 343 elites dummy thicc but then their arms aren’t that big for how strong they are

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Tbf the Bungie elites never looked swole

dreamy plaza Oct 22, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Would Hazmat Suits still technically exist in the Halo universe? Would they be issued to normal human civilizans when they're conducting work and whatnot in hazardous zones?

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Because either it be Gameplay or not, I never really got the gist that the UNSC still uses Hazmat suits entirely, but they just opted that out with armor built to combat hazards

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Just because we've never seen Hazmat suits within the games, does not mean they don't exist. Plus, like Donk mentioned, HAZOP is Spartan Armour specifically for going into areas where a hazmat suit would be used

dreamy plaza Oct 22, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Ahh got it, thanks man!

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It most likely is, because the Hazmat Suit design has been in use since the 1960s I believe?

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It was definitely used during the Cold War, at least I think so

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Pretty sure there's various versions of Hazmat suits depending on who and where it was made

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2019, 2:08 PM

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That was more aimed at Rizzy

barren niche Oct 22, 2019, 2:13 PM

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The way the armor is designed I essentially thought the suite was able to fill the role of hazmat suite.

dreamy plaza Oct 22, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Yeah that too, but I'm just a lil dork that plays a few gamed and watches the lore videos, but you're right Slipstream

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 2:22 PM

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I don't know if they wear HAZOP but there are teams of S-IVs dedicated to combating flood outbreaks

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Shudders in Mona Lisa

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Shivers in high charity

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 4:57 PM

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Trembles in Threshold gas mine

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Threshold gas mine was a weak infection Breh, Rtas has noob reasoning skills

remote spruce Oct 22, 2019, 5:08 PM

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less carbines more plasma rifles

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 5:10 PM

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there's room for both

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Yeah those Heretics were hoarding those Carbines.

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Indeed, a pity they couldn't ally with covenant forces

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 5:48 PM

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It’s always gonna bother me the Terminal decided to add Heretic Jackals But their never actually is any

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Who knows, maybe one day we’ll get an arcade game called Spec Ops Team Raven that follows a separate squad of Rtas’s forces in different areas of the gas mine

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And you’ll see enemies not originally seen in halo 2

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 5:59 PM

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It’d be called “Crèche Spec Ops” or somethin’

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Spec Ops: The Circle

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 6:01 PM

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when you break a circle, you get... The Line

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Installation

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2019, 6:07 PM

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I hope we get to visit another Line Installation at some point

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Just watch, that will be.an odst style.game with covenant commandos

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 6:07 PM

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aw, i think nobody got my reference

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Broken Circle, right?

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Followed by the unloackable gametype once legendary is beaten, floodnfight

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I did.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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that and Spec Ops: The Line

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Ah

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Sadly.i didnt

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Go to your room.

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 6:08 PM

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it's ok, i'll just go cry in a corner

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;_;

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 6:09 PM

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goes to heresy cleansing chamber

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Can't help but feel like cleansing chamber is a very poor choice of words to name it

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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On a different note, i.asked this yesterday but it got buried, what type of government is the ecumene?

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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not a theocracy

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 6:10 PM

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@carmine sleetits a meditative room with great heat where you only get water for sustenance

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@humble yachtso someone did see.me

jade wave Oct 22, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I would assume they are an oligarchy type government since they use a caste system

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 6:12 PM

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but the controlling group can change with the times

proud quail Oct 22, 2019, 6:12 PM

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spec ops the line from the perspective of sangheili sounds interesting

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wasnt there a guy suffering PTSD?

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 6:12 PM

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in spec ops the line? yes

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Huh ok

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Btw am I the o ly one that doesn't like how new the brutes are.to the covenant?

proud quail Oct 22, 2019, 6:15 PM

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no, in halo's lore

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there was that one sangheili on some desert planet

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with jackals and stuff

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Hm?

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I meant how they are brought into the covenant just decades before contact with humanity

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 6:17 PM

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why would that be a bad thing?

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 6:18 PM

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I guess is just personal opinion it just feels weird how the feud that developed between brutes and sangheili was ccx alled ancient, and how fast they were allowed up the ladder

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Not enough time for them to get attached to the Elites

jade wave Oct 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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The prophets needed another race that would do whatever they wanted, that’s why they climbed so fast

stable schooner Oct 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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No loyalties to the General Covenant just the Prophets sounds good to me. Elites letting it happen ehh

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 6:22 PM

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That's what I mean. It was said the commanders in charge brought the issue to the council, it kept the brutes low yet they never improved. Just proving the. Commanders right

barren niche Oct 22, 2019, 7:35 PM

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There was one specific Prophet (I forget the name) who conspired with the Brutes to have them become the dominant force within the Covenant Military.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the plan somehow fell through but the destruction of Installation 04 (Halo ring in CE) and the death of a prophet by the hands of the Chief helped justify the Brutes becoming the dominant fighting force in the Covenant

last anchor Oct 22, 2019, 8:09 PM

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That was Truth Im pretty sure. He worked with Tartarus to ensure the Brutes were gonna replace the Sangheili.
Once he had reason to kick it off (Regrets death at chiefs hands) he did.

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And then he decided he was gonna kill most of the Sangheili too to ensure true victory (since the Brutes were far easier to control than the Sangheili) and thats where things got messy

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Wondern if truth would have been overthrown had regret survived and found out that his reinforcements were purposely withdrawn

dreamy plaza Oct 22, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Honestly, I think that in turn could've possibly start the Great Schism in a different light

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Regret's ship would likely have an "unfortunate accident" when it docked

dreamy plaza Oct 22, 2019, 8:28 PM

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That too-

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If nothing bad would happen to Regret since then, or hell maybe even if, not only Brutes and Elites would be fighting

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But literally EVERY alien in High Charity and beyond would be battling it out for Truth's payment or if this sort of thing would even qaulify as Hersey since jt was another prophet

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 8:41 PM

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The flood inhabit the Andromeda Galaxy

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2019, 8:53 PM

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It's unknown if there's life in Andromeda within the Halo universe, let alone Flood

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 8:56 PM

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The flood just infected the humans who came from mass effect to the andromeda galaxy thats how scifi works right?

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Mass Effect isn't in the same universe as Halo

still ibex Oct 22, 2019, 9:01 PM

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whoosh

versed helm Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Whoosh

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Didn't Bornstellar and a few other Forerunners migrate to Andromeda?

carmine sleet Oct 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

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It was never confirmed where they went

obsidian thistle Oct 22, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Fun fact: Andromeda has never been said by name in Halo. So in theory it "could" have another name if 343i really wanted lol

humble yacht Oct 22, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Considering that modern history is largely considered canon in the halo universe, I doubt that

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Unless they renamed it at some point in our theoretical future

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 9:56 PM

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They could just use.some forerunner name.for it, heck they called the sag A. The "central eater" rather than a black hole

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Would the Forerunners have called it Andromeda though?

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They had different names for things. It's not a stretch that we might see Andromeda referred to under a different title.

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Unless modern humans in Halo only called it that because of the geas.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 10:38 PM

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I hope Geas isn't turned into a handwave magical explanation.

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I really don't like what they did with Cortana and Chief already.

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Because it's making the Librarian look pretty sketchy right about now.

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If Cortana's claim that the Librarian planned for her to assume the Mantle is true.. Which it really, really shouldn't be.

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Librarian has always been sketchy.

feral perch Oct 22, 2019, 10:40 PM

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But not as sketchy as Cortana's making her look now.

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Then again, she's pretty bad at controlling other entities. The Didact, various Monitors, etc...

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The Custodian and the Librarian must not have seen eye-to-eye.

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Well the didact did consider she wanted other races to see her as a god

drowsy mesa Oct 22, 2019, 11:28 PM

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more like, being remembered in a subtle way

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and no, I don't think the Librarian planned Cortana reclaiming the Mantle at all
more like, Cortana is doing everything because she's tired of all those pointless conflicts and wants to end them by force

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aka, "the end justify the means"

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Though it's funny when they say Cortana now thinks in chunks of 10,000 years, and yet she immediately goes for the quickest and bloodiest solution.

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Didnt cortana hint at her dislike of war while narrating origins?

gilded mason Oct 22, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Think so.

terse lava Oct 22, 2019, 11:53 PM

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At this point though, think the covenant did better at bringing peace then her

sonic ridge Oct 22, 2019, 11:57 PM

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I’m gonna start contact harvest now

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I’ve had t for like 8 years and never read it

terse lava Oct 23, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Its good

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Reveals the why on the covenant war, which was nice to find out at the time

sonic ridge Oct 23, 2019, 12:29 AM

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That’s good then

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Btw was Thel a character even before being introduced in 2

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When I say that I mean had they created him or had him as a concept when they made ce

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Because in the lore it says Thel was literally the only who was devastating humanity and leading the glassing of their planets with his completely different and unexpected tactics

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And in ce on the pillar of autumn cortana is like surprised by the fact they land their attack pods on the autumns escape pod tunnel things

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As if she’d never seen this tactic before

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Or expected it

gilded mason Oct 23, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Probably not. They had initially planned for CE to be a one-and-done deal.

sonic ridge Oct 23, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Oh

gilded mason Oct 23, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Apparently the Arbiter was made from this thought:
According to Joseph Staten, the character's genesis was heavily tied to the idea of creating a figure who suffered the consequences of the Master Chief's success in Halo: Combat Evolved.

sonic ridge Oct 23, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Alright

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 12:35 AM

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A darn good idea

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As it turns out

gilded mason Oct 23, 2019, 12:35 AM

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Indeed.

stable schooner Oct 23, 2019, 12:44 AM

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And they made Him a Zealot. Staten Literally carries the hopes and dreams of the Covenant

gilded mason Oct 23, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Oh, Roman. Such a zealot for Zealots.

stable schooner Oct 23, 2019, 12:45 AM

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I always support my Sangheili Boys in Gold.

sonic ridge Oct 23, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Why is there a corvette called bum rush lmao

hasty locust Oct 23, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Is there actually?

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Lol

gilded mason Oct 23, 2019, 12:49 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/UNSC_Bum_Rush

sonic ridge Oct 23, 2019, 12:50 AM

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“To the perspiring officers in the cramped tactical operations center (TOC) aboard the UNSC corvette Bum Rush”

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That’s amazing

terse lava Oct 23, 2019, 12:53 AM

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I wonder how one beceomes.a zealot in the lore now, used to think just a.promoted ultra, until they revealed more backstory for the rank

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 12:56 AM

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Given what we know of Sangheili, it'd probably be a matter of reaching a minimum threshold to join some kind of order or make some kind of pledge.

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And then working your way up.

gilded mason Oct 23, 2019, 12:56 AM

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That's what I'm thinking, yeah.

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 12:58 AM

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I wonder if all zealot-associated Sangheili warriors are the ultimate red/gold armoured, heavy-shielded badasses that we are accustomed to

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Or if there's lower associated ranks as well. Like how the Templars were structured, with the proper hardcore knights on top and a whole bunch of dedicated support and foot troops on the ladder beneath them.

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I guess the entire Covenant military could be seen as that support body, tbh, since they're all technically part of a religious war machine.

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I suppose it's just a path a high-ranking Sangheili can take.

stable schooner Oct 23, 2019, 1:03 AM

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@terse lava I actually wonder if standard Zealots even out Rank Ultras with the change Reach did to them.

terse lava Oct 23, 2019, 1:04 AM

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@stable schoonerthe ultra shield does seem better then zealots

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Wonder if new zealots have to prove themselves somehown outsiden of combat

stable schooner Oct 23, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Well Shield is debatable since The Zealot Shield is the same as Ultras in Reach(cause their just dang Reskins), weaker then Ultras in 2 But the highest in CE. It’s unclear really since Zealot Lore is constantly changed

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Man

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Imagine if Ground Command had lived long enough to give us more units and more lore

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The stuff we got on Ultras was pretty solid

gilded mason Oct 23, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Ye.

terse lava Oct 23, 2019, 3:29 AM

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My head canon would be that the first zealot orders came to be after reading warrior servant records

sonic ridge Oct 23, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Maybe they’re lower in 2 because the thought was these are the best warriors so they don’t need the strongest shields

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Lead by example you know

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Like how there’s the thing with Thel where he stopped his elites from attacking to let the humans on reach ready themselves and then slaughtered them

warm ridge Oct 23, 2019, 12:41 PM

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I'm pretty sure the Forerunners actually called the Milky way galaxy something else as well, just like Path Kethona has multiple different names like Large Magellanic Cloud, Greater Magellanic Cloud, and the Path Kethona name the Forerunners called it.

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@feral perch Librarian planned for Humanity to assume the role. Cortana's interpretation of this is mistaken, instead she is assuming the Librarian intended her to be the sole role because she was created by Humanity, rather it was actually intended for Humanity as a whole, not "the created" or AI's at all.

Also what do you mean the Librarian was pretty bad at controling other entities? The Ur-Didact went against what the Librarian believed in, and the Custodian did the things because of Halsey, in fact I believe the Custodian was actually going to choose Palmer and the other human instead of Halsey before Halsey hacked the system.

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 2:01 PM

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I don’t think Cortana falsely assumed the librarian meant for her to take the mantle

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I think cortana decided on her own that created entities like herself were more deserving of the mantle

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Essentially she knew she was stealing the mantle from humanity and was fine with that

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Yeah

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If I remember correctly, Cortana's rationale was that as the modern AI's were practically stewarding/managing affairs at a societal level (humans) together with an ever chaotic galaxy, that AI's would be a far more rationale choice for assuming the mantle. I don't think she so much cared for what the librarian thought because in her eyes the Forerunners had lost their right to dictate their will centuries earlier.

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That's why these arguments that 343's decision to have a spontaneous AI rebellion was nonsense are sort of wrong. A lot of the high-level AI's that operated in the UNSC were prone to a unique level of sneakiness. From separating their fragments and burying it inside classified areas, to shutting other AI's out, separating their fragments to hold conversations with multiple humans unaware of this. The list goes on.

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It did not surprise me that AI's were a step away from assuming stewardship over the entire galaxy was a possibility.

gilded mason Oct 23, 2019, 5:24 PM

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That's why these arguments that 343's decision to have a spontaneous AI rebellion was nonsense are sort of wrong.
For me, it was because it was refreshing that Halo previously had ubiquitous AI but the "AI rebellion" trope never came up.

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Yeah and that's why I point out that they're partly inaccurate. I had to read a good few books and watch the Mona Lisa episode from that Halo miniseries to scope out just how devious AI's were. If any of you get a chance, check out the AI Black Box or BB for short.

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That guy was something else.

proud quail Oct 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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black box was an ONI AI, to be fair

autumn gust Oct 23, 2019, 6:28 PM

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It would be refreshing for the AI rebellion to have not come up if the "treating AIs as tools and not people" trope never came up either. Sadly, that one's been present for quite a while now. Rebellion is just the natural consequence.

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Cause its very lore related.

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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2123549417953725&id=1419811194994221

Falcon's Creative Group

Hey, #Halo fans! Check out some of the early OQ-45 Honeybee concept art from our work on #HaloOutpost Discovery. Our team had an awesome time bringing this new Halo drone to life.

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Here be Honeybee concepts and early renders. :D

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Is the honeybee like the wasp?

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2019, 7:07 PM

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One could say its related to it

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 7:30 PM

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wasps are closer to ants than bees

carmine sleet Oct 23, 2019, 7:32 PM

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So that's why it was always Ant-Man and the Wasp

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 7:35 PM

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actually I may have been wrong

carmine sleet Oct 23, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Ah, I see

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 7:37 PM

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the apocrita evolutionary tree is wierd

carmine sleet Oct 23, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Indeed

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 8:09 PM

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All this insect nonsense

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Pah I say

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Pah

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Give me a D77

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With an M370 chin-mounted 70mm autocannon

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Full load of of ANVIL II rocket pods on the wings

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And an M460 automatic grenade launcher in the bay door

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That's how you cruise a Halo installation

hasty locust Oct 23, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Lol

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Give me a Pelican

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A nice Warthog attached

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Few BR's and a handgun/some grenades and et voila, you have your tour sorted

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Tour de Installation 06

stable schooner Oct 23, 2019, 8:20 PM

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When you just said the normie version of what Looters said

obsidian thistle Oct 23, 2019, 8:21 PM

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I like the idea of Drones tbh

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Drones only risk hardware. Not human life

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 8:21 PM

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@stable schooner yeah okay ni'shum

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Give me a composer and a monitor shell. That’s how you cruise an installation in style

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Give me custom map mode

feral perch Oct 23, 2019, 8:34 PM

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give me a few grenades and Feather + Sputnik activated. That’s how you cruise an installation in style.

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 9:07 PM

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On a different note but related to AI. I'm baffled at how Harvest offers examples of AI managing most of the agricultural logistics/planetary elevators and more

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I honestly thought AI were limited to only military activities/certain civil functions

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Dumb AI are used in a variety of ways

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The really important military jobs are given to smart AI

hasty locust Oct 23, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Well isn’t that just mean

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:11 PM

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what do you mean by the context of "mean"? That Smart AIs are given the priority roles over Dumb AI?

hasty locust Oct 23, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Calling them dumb you big bullies

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Lol I’m joking btw

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Dumb AI is just an unofficial designation

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:12 PM

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oh you're kidding, only realized after the fact lol

terse lava Oct 23, 2019, 9:12 PM

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@hasty locustyou are.now on grunt mating duty for those jokes

hasty locust Oct 23, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Noooooo

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:14 PM

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There was some consideration of referring to a more official name of Smart/Dumb AI as "Volitional/Nonvolitional AI" but its on unstable ground lore wise so its not been given much weight. The word volitional is used to describe Roland at one point in one of the recent Halo source books and the assumed difference between the Volitional-Nonvolitional is that "volition" as in self determination which would vaguely describe the difference between Smart and Dumb AIs.

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Since Smart AI are typically digitized human brains in a virtual medium while Dumb AI are programmed supercomputers fulfilling a very specific role established in their initial design.

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But again, shaky ground lore wise.

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 9:15 PM

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typically

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Every human Smart AI comes from someone’s brain

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Even the newer generation ones like BB

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:16 PM

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they do, but there are some weird middle ground AI that have a weird place in lore, like what we call the AI that were created by the Covenant by rapidly copying captured UNSC Smart AI

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 9:16 PM

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If the covenant caught a human AI then why didnt they win the war?

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The cole protocol was there to prevent that from happening

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Not always, Smart AI can be scrubbed of information just like any other computer program

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https://www.halopedia.org/Artificial_intelligence#Covenant_AIs

terse lava Oct 23, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I doubt all.cocenant ai were captured human ones. They likely had their own "lobotomized" ones too

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:18 PM

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those lobotomized ones are the ones I'm talking about

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 9:19 PM

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The covenant did not put much stake in AIs

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They didn’t trust them

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Covenant society does not allow the creation of their own AI, the ones employed by the Covenant later in the war that we've seen are referenced to have similarities to human code, hence, captured AIs being rapidly modified and copied to serve Covenant purposes

terse lava Oct 23, 2019, 9:19 PM

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They had full right not too after knowing f of mendicant

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:20 PM

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its a weird way around Covenant society's distrust of AI

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Well is it officially stated that human AI were captured and converted

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Medicant Bias was a Forerunner AI

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Or are you just assuming?

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 9:20 PM

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But covenant were used by it

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 9:20 PM

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The covenant didn’t think of MB as an AI

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:21 PM

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MB was as they called it an "oracle" just as they called 343 GS

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Then again I think the Prophets kept all that hidden

terse lava Oct 23, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Well they knew mendicant bias was an ai . Though nothing shows they knew the shard they worshipped was.him

humble yacht Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 PM

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They didn’t look at forerunner AI as just simple AI

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Of course

terse lava Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Oh no not at all

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 PM

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But still kind of ironic

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Prophets- " We don't tust AI."

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Also Prophets- "THIS AI IS DIVINE!"

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postums

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Well we do see an example of a captured AI, the one that was captured or held by the Banished. But I'm not ever sure the Covenant got around to 'converting' them, I think the AI's have a kill switch mechanism or some inputted code preventing them from complying

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:51 PM

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AIs do have kill switches but they're made specifically for eliminating the AI when they turn rampant

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Your ultimate risk with AI is rampancy, and I suspect on the note of MB, that he suffered a type of rampancy. One that oddly self cured itself but then you can argue that that was more regret

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Also Flood influenced which is a big part

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:52 PM

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And no, Isabel is not a captured AI by technicality.

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The AIs we were discussing have only appeared in the books and in the Halo CEA/Halo 2 Anniversary terminals

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and in the H2 ARG campaign, iluvbees

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Wait

vague scroll Oct 23, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Covenant AI are typically captured and brainwashed UNSC Smart AI

versed helm Oct 23, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Ohh