lore-and-universe

[versed helm]

In a far-off, disassociated way.

Which is why Warden's taunt actually is pretty hollow.

[lapis moat]

Halsey is the spartan mother

[versed helm]

Y'all know those three's original surnames though right?

They're good ones

Good sounding surnames

Kelly Shaddock, Linda Pravdin, Frederic Ellsworth.

[lapis moat]

Fred Fred - Kelly John - Linda Balinda

Nailed it

[versed helm]

I just thought they were all cool sounding names.

[lapis moat]

Hello Mr Pravdin - Spicy name

[versed helm]

I think you'll find that's Ms Pravdin.

Or more accurately

Petty Officer First-Class Pravdin

[past olive]

Na Johns last name is Wayne

[versed helm]

Yeah, Donk.

They're very classified.

Johnson's last name is Johnson y'all

smh

[past olive]

Fine, his last name is Kent

[versed helm]

Nah

It's Tron

[lapis moat]

Haha brilliant

[past olive]

Now you're just bein silly

[versed helm]

Speaking of Linda though

https://www.halopedia.org/images/9/97/HLW_Linda.png

👌

Halo 5 better not be the last we see of Blue Team in the games.

Nor Osiris.

Like, I know there were issues with both

[past olive]

Give osiris backstory

[versed helm]

Lmao

They had oooodles of backstory my dude.

[past olive]

And actual character development

[versed helm]

Characterization is what you're looking for.

[past olive]

I mean the other two

And Locke as well

[lapis moat]

The only good member imo

[versed helm]

But Locke had, y'know. Halo's biggest live action thing dedicated to him.

Tanaka got a fair chunk of Escalation

And Vale has a book

So y'know

If you don't think they have backstory y'all need to get some EU up ya

[lapis moat]

Spoilers - Locke didn't die in that film

[versed helm]

What they struggled with was characterization

[past olive]

In game Locke sorta had a set up for characterisation in the beginning, just went nowhere

[versed helm]

They were just all very businesslike and professional and military the whole time

Which honestly I was fine with because it makes sense

[gilded mason]

He was like H2 John to me - basically cardboard.

[versed helm]

But you know how people are these days.

[lapis moat]

You ask, you buy

[proud quail]

to be fair

[lapis moat]

Bah bah bah bah .... Bah Bah

[versed helm]

Everyone's gotta be whacky and outspoken and funny and Marvel-like.

[proud quail]

requiring gamers to read the EU to pretend the NPCs have any characterization isnt what i'd call a healthy practice

[lapis moat]

What we need is to make Sarah Palmer the winter soldier

[deep pewter]

I don’t know why people act like main/playable characters have ever been written well in Halo

[lapis moat]

@proud quail Too right

[gilded mason]

Thel Vadam

[deep pewter]

Thel is the one exception

[proud quail]

thel vadam is an exception rather than a rule

[lapis moat]

The Arbiter is pretty spicy @deep pewter

[gilded mason]

And John and Cortana were great in CE.

[proud quail]

a lot of halo's writing relies on scifi tropes and trends of the era so you can go "hey, i recognize this from aliens"

or starship troopers or whatever

[deep pewter]

Halo is very trope-y

[versed helm]

Honestly

[lapis moat]

@proud quail Nah Aliens copied Halo's Elites

[proud quail]

but for a bunch of people following tropes, at least you can still say the games had personality

[versed helm]

People just be comparing Halo to Aliens and Starship Troopers so they can show off that they've seen those films

Like it's the same genre of sci-fi kinda

Extrapolations of our current world, trying to be relatable and grounded aesthetically and tonally

As opposed to the crazy science fantasy of virtually everything else

But it does do its own thing.

Like I won't deny that CE certainly wanted to channel those vibes but no so the audience can go "ay, look, it's like Aliens"

It's totally daft to say that's the point

[lapis moat]

It's just inspiration isn't it

[versed helm]

100%. Genre-homage, even.

But Halo's got a lot of its own stuff. The Covenant is more styled on Bungie's Marathon alien threats than anything else. Spartans are more a slightly more grounded way of addressing your classic super-awesome space marine from the FPS games of the time.

[proud quail]

i mean

[versed helm]

The franchise's heavy usage of alien superstructures and ancient aliens and AI is meant to hearken back to OG hard sci-fi.

[proud quail]

child soldiers who dont afraid of anything with a super slow mo that's called "spartan time" is one way to call "grounded" i suppose

[versed helm]

More grounded than OG Doomguy

Just being Doomguy because it's a game and he's a protagonist

If you want to be all smart about it, call it just a basis and not a grounded basis.

[proud quail]

technically he goes all punisher-yelling at everything in the books

not like id ever recommend reading those to begin with

[versed helm]

I've read the Doom comic

It's a fun thing

I like it a lot

[lapis moat]

Did anyone see that thing in the news recently where a guy had a brain implant to control an exo-skeleton?

[proud quail]

the doom comic is good

the novels are wew-hew boy

still annoyed

[terse lava]

Well yay I didnt miss .much while gone

[proud quail]

brain implant to control a what

[versed helm]

Like a medical exoskeleton

To let a paralysed dude get around

It's pretty good

[proud quail]

huh.

[remote spruce]

remember when halo characters had development
because i don't

[gilded mason]

jungle pls

[remote spruce]

if Arby is the only example....

[gilded mason]

He is a character

[feral perch]

Truth.

[gilded mason]

Rtas could also count since he becomes more respectful of Thel later on.

[versed helm]

I mean I would say that Halo's not a game that really has time for development.

But what it has always had is strong characterization.

The development is in the books.

[feral perch]

Yep.

[versed helm]

Osiris had the development but they didn't have the characterization.

[remote spruce]

so this means the pesky aliens are the games' best characters

[gilded mason]

Yes.

This is a universal trait.

[feral perch]

I would say Gears is different but... the Locust were technically humans.

[remote spruce]

Johnson is a character that is somehow beloved by all
no development, no arc, no backstory (ingame), not even in the actual gameplay all that much
yet he is somehow considered a great character

[gilded mason]

He's sassy.

[remote spruce]

right

[gilded mason]

People like sassy.

[versed helm]

Great characters can be great because of their characterization.

The other stuff is just buzzwords.

He does have an interesting arc in CH, though.

[feral perch]

I like him in SS

[versed helm]

His arc in CH is basically just him chilling out

Like he was having a bit of a rough time

Then the Covenant rocked up

But it's okay because he met a woman, and I guess that's what he needed to go from tense and haunted to... Sergeant Johnson.

[remote spruce]

that's my point, many game fans aren't really looking for good characters
they just want memorable and charming, in a cool™ way (not Majestic)

[versed helm]

Well, it's a good point.

And truth be told

[gilded mason]

Those two ain't mutually exclusive

[versed helm]

Human beings are real preoccupied with looking smart and professional

[terse lava]

Unfornaty seems to be true, really developed characters seem to only be in single player gamea

[versed helm]

Like I can barely watch Halo YouTuber videos any more for the exact reason

Maybe I'm being a little edgelord here

But it's just endless buzzwords and trying to make everything seem objective and cut-and-dry and evidence driven when the truth is, stories and characters resonate with you in an intangible, subjective way.

Human beings are funny things, y'know?

[terse lava]

True looter

[remote spruce]

yes, which is why i'm baffled anytime someone states that newer characters have no development and that old ones were better

[versed helm]

I concur

[terse lava]

Perhaps it depends on perspective

[versed helm]

They're using the wrong terminology is all

[gilded mason]

Yeah, they know something is missing, but aren't sure how to express it

[feral perch]

Hey, I like Fireteam Majestic

[terse lava]

Just look at the fan base itself, some chef for chief, some cheer for thel

[remote spruce]

it's like the term "dark and gritty"
which never really applied to Halo, until maybe Reeeach

[feral perch]

Lol yeah, Halos 1-3 could still be called cartoony

[versed helm]

The ugly truth is, what people like in characters is wildly subjective and there's little rhyme or reason to it. If you just like a character, you'll start coming up with reasons why you do, and if you don't you'll do the opposite. But (mostly, not always) there's no real basis to it.

But on the other hand, 343 and devs and writers in general are in the business of trying to court that subjective favour.

[terse lava]

Closest we had to gritty with them were the arbiter levels

[feral perch]

Halo 5 has that label unfairly applied to it

[versed helm]

So, like, you can criticize 343. But what you need to realize is just how ridiculously hard their job is, because the feedback you give them is (aside from very broad strokes, and when it comes to characters and stories) mostly useless.

[terse lava]

Sadly

[gilded mason]

Here's my objective advice for 343:
more aliens

[versed helm]

Can we have like

Simultaneously more aliens

And more Marines

[gilded mason]

And they are friends?

[versed helm]

They can be

[gilded mason]

Good, good

[remote spruce]

I'm fine with all the criticisms 343i have received, provided there's legitimate justification (which there has been)
but stuff like what I mentioned above is sending some serious mixed messages to them

[feral perch]

They should make barbed remarks about each other though

[gilded mason]

They should make barbed remarks about each other though
But with a hint of something bubbling beneath the surface

[terse lava]

Can live with that

[feral perch]

ostral please

contain it

😉

[gilded mason]

no

[terse lava]

"Arbiter...i... I think you're cute too"

[gilded mason]

Canon

[versed helm]

Sangheili romance

There's a joke

[wintry coral]

Oh god that’s a IWHBYD line

[versed helm]

"I'm good at swords, mate with me"

[terse lava]

Yes it is

[remote spruce]

343i currently has animations down for the aliens
just needs more aliens

[terse lava]

" shall we proceed to exchange fluids?"-halo 3 major

True, they have the fringee may as well use them

[sonic ridge]

Is that an actual line

[versed helm]

Depends on how you define actual.

[remote spruce]

The day a Halo game has you not fight the Covenant......that'll be the day

[sonic ridge]

A line that an elite says in halo 3

[versed helm]

Yes

[sonic ridge]

Lmao

[wintry coral]

I swear I’m pretty sure it’s “If you gaze at me much longer, we might as well exchange fluids”

[versed helm]

But it is not something that an Elite would say during the events of Halo 3 in-universe

It is what we call

[wintry coral]

Unless I’m going insane

[versed helm]

A non-canon ha ha funny meme

[sonic ridge]

Funny vine lol XD 😂

Is the correct term

They need to make another Sangheili model

For the old Sangheilis

[versed helm]

Subscrobble for more Fortnite funnies and hit that bell for epic gone wrong pranks

[sonic ridge]

Because I don’t want arbiter going blind while he eats

[terse lava]

@wintry coralyes tha was it, been a while

[wintry coral]

K

[sonic ridge]

Is that iwhbyd

[wintry coral]

Yes it is

[sonic ridge]

Wait how do you activate it then

Does it have to be on missions with elite friendlies

And you just like stand next to them

[wintry coral]

You just stare at an Elite for a certain amount of time

[versed helm]

Just get right up there in the mandibles

And every few seconds they'll say an epic funny

[sonic ridge]

Okay

[remote spruce]

and if you do that in ODST, legend says you get a free energy sword

[sonic ridge]

There’s only two missions with elite ai

Excluding them

Thel

[wintry coral]

If you punch an Elite, it might say “Is this because of Reach?”

[feral perch]

yus

[lapis moat]

@remote spruce Halo wars 2 - you fight the banished 😛

[remote spruce]

Covenant clone #12

:)

[wintry coral]

Yes

[versed helm]

Covenant splinter-faction, one might say.

[wintry coral]

There are 2 missions with Elites besides the Arbiter

@sonic ridge

[sonic ridge]

Yes

I said that

It’s floodgate and the covenant

I always got the red elite as my gauss gunner

[versed helm]

I'm personally pretty hyped for Halo CE 2: Attack of the Yonhet

[remote spruce]

From a pure, gameplay standpoint
I define Covenant as big guy with little guys along with shield guys and then minibosses

oh and lots of colors

because aliens are cool

[versed helm]

And sometimes no colours

Because aliens dab on photons

[remote spruce]

pesky dead CE Elites with no armor colors

[sonic ridge]

I hope they remake 3 in a few years

[gilded mason]

Eh

[sonic ridge]

I want some halo 2 anniversary cutscenes for 3

[wintry coral]

I don’t really care if they do make a Halo 3: Anniversary

[versed helm]

I think some H2A-style terminals could reaaaaaallly benefit Halo 3's narrative

[terse lava]

Not happening

[versed helm]

Like even more than they did for H2A and CEA

[sonic ridge]

But Muh Johnson

[versed helm]

But I mean the best thing would probably just be a Truth book

Written by Staten

Statenpls

[gilded mason]

👍

[remote spruce]

Gravemind: "yes, i shall modify these crap engines on these ship that's somehow falling apart, probably due to those explosions..."

[stable schooner]

Man Halo 3 Elite Dialogue was too silly. Even without the skull they’ll say is this cause of Reach or ill name my child after you lol

[remote spruce]

good characters

[sonic ridge]

Why do the ranger guys die quicker than the minors

[remote spruce]

memorable

uhhh what game?

[sonic ridge]

3

On floodgate

[stable schooner]

Theirs no Elite Rangers in 3

[sonic ridge]

You get a couple rangers or whatever drop down and they always get shrek

Shrekt

[terse lava]

No you don't

[sonic ridge]

Well whatever idk what the helmet is then

[versed helm]

There's majors and minors, from memory

[sonic ridge]

There’s ones with the closed helmet

[stable schooner]

Those are Spec Op Elites on Floodgate

[sonic ridge]

Well spec ops then

[lapis moat]

@sonic ridge Assault Helmet?

[sonic ridge]

Idk

It’s the actual helmet

[lapis moat]

The second helmet you can choose in the customisation menu

[sonic ridge]

With glowing eyes

[remote spruce]

huh, so the red Major was better after all?

[lapis moat]

https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Assault_Harness

[stable schooner]

Their 100% identical to the ones from 2 meaning they have the same stats as Elite Majors except they can also throw Grenades and use Camo

[lapis moat]

Assault I think you mean

[terse lava]

Always found it weird how the major did not get Assault armor for floodgate

[remote spruce]

There's this part in Floodgate where you can see a Phantom deploy Elites into that crashed ship

[stable schooner]

So pure combatwise those are the best Elites in 3 other then the Arbiter

[remote spruce]

like uh, are those guys dead?

[sonic ridge]

Yes the assault armoured guys

[terse lava]

Yes if they survive they run into the ship

[wintry coral]

I like the glitch where the Assault and Minor bodies fuse into one body in Floodgate inside the Flood Ship

[remote spruce]

no this is another group

[terse lava]

That's what I'm talking about jungle

The group that deploys next to the flood pure forms

[stable schooner]

Yeah that’s a glitch. Those dead white Elites are the second Phantom that drop 4 Spec Ops next to the ship who go inside and died

[remote spruce]

because by the time the player reaches that area there ain't no Elites to be seen other than your own group

[gilded mason]

Hey so do elites have glowing eyes?
No. Though I guess some armor might have glowing eyepieces or something

[remote spruce]

oh

[sonic ridge]

No

Okay

[wintry coral]

Like Commando Elites

[remote spruce]

I assumed the dead Ultras were from the ship prior to infection

[terse lava]

@stable schoonerthe glitched ultras vcd arecfuppsed to be the commando group that dropped off there,?

[versed helm]

What is this specialised contact stuff

I swear to god

[stable schooner]

Theirs a spelling error in their variant names so the Spec Ops spawn as the halo 3 version of the Honor Guard Councilor

[versed helm]

They might be close-in eyepieces

[terse lava]

Well huh neat

[versed helm]

Monocles if you will

But they do not wear contacts

That is absurd

[terse lava]

Also yes where did this O originate about the contacts

[sonic ridge]

Yea so why do the assault elites die so easily

[terse lava]

I have not seen a single Lore source stating they have that outside of side of fully enclosed helmets

[versed helm]

I mean and even from a practical standpoint

[stable schooner]

But the 4 glitched dead Elites in the ship are suppose to be the 4 Spec Ops that get dropped by the ship in the second Phantom

[versed helm]

Now I mean a lot of Halo's gear is a compromise between its own style and realism

But like

"Here lemme just take this valuable piece of combat equipment"

"And just gunk it up with eye-juice"

[terse lava]

@stable schoonerall that ti.e I did hoping they just went deeper..how sad

[sonic ridge]

I like how inhalo 4 you needed a thing to use the mammoths rail gun

[stable schooner]

@sonic ridge cause your fighting flood in close range Breh

[wintry coral]

The Glitched Ultras can also look like Rtas ‘Vadum. Seems like the Flood cut off their mandibles too

What a shame

[sonic ridge]

But the other elites do fine

The minors and majors

[stable schooner]

No other Elites fight flood in close range with Shotguns

[sonic ridge]

When I did floodgate on legendary the assaults all die before I can even get to them

[stable schooner]

Cause the pods deactivate their shields

[sonic ridge]

F

[terse lava]

The commandos sometimes have their shields.damaged by the drop

[sonic ridge]

That’s stupid lmao

I don’t see why elitescouldnt have contacts

[versed helm]

It's just eyepieces my dude

[terse lava]

Ok, has there ever been a source stating that all sangheili have a hud view?

[sonic ridge]

Just don’t leave it in too long

[versed helm]

They must

[remote spruce]

Mammoth rail gun was cool because those dang Phantoms dropping off Wraiths

[versed helm]

Unless they've been using projection sights all along

[gilded mason]

Ok, has there ever been a source stating that all sangheili have a hud view?
I know Rtas makes mention of his motion sensor in Shadow of Intent.

[sonic ridge]

Elites and Spartans are like that sam guy in revengeance and literally everyone else

[versed helm]

But if they've got a helmet it's probably got an integrated display, mono-directional holograms or eyepieces

And if they're not wearing a helmet

They can probably get slicker versions of UNSC tactical eyescreens and such

[terse lava]

@gilded masonhe is a high rank though, in am not shocked by that

[stable schooner]

But for specifics the Elites on Halo 3 on Floodgate are Spec Ops and 1 Major for some reason, the Ones on Covenant are Minors and Majors. Stealth and Stealth Majors are also present but their unspawned. @sonic ridge

[deep pewter]

Wasn’t that part of the ship and not MJOLNIR itself?

[remote spruce]

same with them battle damage

[terse lava]

@stable schoonerwait...stealth units we to make an appearance In. 3?

[sonic ridge]

Alright

[stable schooner]

Their unused as in not spawned but yes Stealths And Stealth Majors Plus Sentinel Eliminators(Halo 2 Gold Sentinels) are in Halo 3 as characters on the map but they don’t actually appear in gameplay unless you spawned them.

Why their in Halo 3 when Ultras and Zealots aren’t I don’t know lol

[sonic ridge]

Probably because it would make it too easy

[terse lava]

I wonder if they looked new or looked like the.halo 2 variant

[stable schooner]

Theirs a dead stealth elite on Bucks first mission with 2 deactivated energy swords, that’s what a halo 3 Stealth Looks like. Stealth Major is the same just brown

[sonic ridge]

You don’t fight any elites in ODST do you

[lapis moat]

Nah

[stable schooner]

Their dead bodies are on Bucks mission

[sonic ridge]

Why was that

Cause it’s set during 2

I thought it was alonside during 3 originally since no fighting elites

[terse lava]

@stable schoonerreally? Thought that was just glitched armor color

[sonic ridge]

Only brute

[lapis moat]

I think it's more because 3's gameplay was designed so that you fight the brutes

[sonic ridge]

It’s still the same halo formula tho

[lapis moat]

I don't think it's that simple tbf

[sonic ridge]

What was your health like in ODST too

Did you have shields

Cause I forgot

[gilded mason]

Why was that
It was supposed to show Truth had put his plan into action even before Regret had perished.

[lapis moat]

You had a health bar and health system that acted like shields

[stable schooner]

Nope I actually checked myself it’s a dead Stealth Elite. I always guessed it was but couldn’t prove it until recently

[stoic hamlet]

You technically did have shields yeah

[sonic ridge]

Okay

[remote spruce]

oh so not dead Ultras in ODST

[lapis moat]

Jump height and movement speed was reduced

[stable schooner]

Nope only dead Minors, Majors, Spec Ops, Stealth and wether theirs dead Stealth Majors I’m unsure

[remote spruce]

don't recall brown elites in ODST

[stable schooner]

Basically all the Elite variants they could find to put as dead bodies

[lapis moat]

I think they were all blue

Oh no, I stand corrected

Checked on youtube

[sonic ridge]

When during 2 is ODST set

I’m pretty sure the big tower collapses due to the slip space jump

[gilded mason]

Right after Metropolis

[lapis moat]

After Regret went slip space at the end of Metropolis

[sonic ridge]

Okay

[lapis moat]

Technically a few hours after

Since the Rookie was unconscious in his pod

[sonic ridge]

How long after that did regret get killed

After metropolis

[gilded mason]

Several weeks

[sonic ridge]

Oh

[lapis moat]

I don't think that's right

Right?

[stable schooner]

The slipspace travel to Delta Halo took several weeks

[remote spruce]

Master Chief and 2 Grunt bait fools on a mission to kill Regret

[lapis moat]

Ah fair

[sonic ridge]

But like why are there no living elites so early then

[lapis moat]

Both engine cores are spun to Zero - We're drifting

[gilded mason]

Metropolis: October 20
Delta Halo: November 2

[terse lava]

2 weeks I think, maybe 3

[sonic ridge]

Just shy of two

[lapis moat]

May have been an internal fight as there was tension between the brutes and elites @sonic ridge

• already

[stable schooner]

We’ve had this lore debate so many times Frikerf I’m just gonna give you the real life answer. Bungie didn’t want to get Elites working as Enemies

[sonic ridge]

F

[lapis moat]

Yeah that's what I said

[sonic ridge]

I thought it might have been that

[lapis moat]

😄

[terse lava]

Yea..not the best ai in 3 for 6hem to be enemy

[feral perch]

So sad

[lapis moat]

Yeah for sure @terse lava

[sonic ridge]

I like how like for the entire of halo 3 rtas is sitting in a floaty chair

[gilded mason]

He's worth at least one lekgolo eel.

[sonic ridge]

His legs dangling over like when you’re in one of those pub high chairs

[humble yacht]

Nah rtas stands for a sec before going to the ark

[sonic ridge]

Burn their mongrel hides

[lapis moat]

He stands when he shoots Miranda in the back

[sonic ridge]

That’s truth

[lapis moat]

Ah yes sorry

[terse lava]

This reminds me has it ever been said how thel and co made it to earth?

[lapis moat]

My boi boi mistake

[sonic ridge]

They flew

[lapis moat]

He does stand in the cutscene after floodgate

[terse lava]

...obviously

[sonic ridge]

Or as Freddy Krueger said in a terrible film

It’s travel time

[gilded mason]

Don't think an official itinerary was discussed anywhere.

[remote spruce]

Master Chief took a nap and Arby won the race

[sonic ridge]

They probably went back with Johnson

[stable schooner]

Yeah I forgot how did they get back to Earth

[sonic ridge]

I swear the arbiter like pushes Johnson over and he gets unconscious

[terse lava]

Can't be from rtas

[gilded mason]

Yeah I forgot how did they get back to Earth
They flew, but the exact specifics aren't shown

[terse lava]

..wait

Eh nvm, had an idea but realized it didnt work

[remote spruce]

remember how the marine prisoners in Halo 2's last level had plasma pistols with them at all times

[lapis moat]

Ye

Or Needlers I believe

[sonic ridge]

What marine prisoners in the last level

[lapis moat]

They just pick up what's around when you release them

[sonic ridge]

Before the cutscene?

It assimilates them

Afaik

[stable schooner]

Stacker and Banks upon getting freed pull out Plasma Pistols yeah

[sonic ridge]

Same concept as 1982 The Thing

[remote spruce]

but like they have plasma pistols even when they were about to get RIP'd

[sonic ridge]

Or similar

I’m not sure

[stable schooner]

What’s a Plasma Pistol gonna do against 4 Brutes with Brute Shots

[sonic ridge]

It infects the host and quickly infects each cell with the flood parasite stuff and it multiplies swiftly attacking every other cell it can

[remote spruce]

gotta back smack them with the plasma pistol

[sonic ridge]

It must mimic something so that our immune system doesn’t even attempt to stop it id say

[terse lava]

@stable schoonerburm their fur, no wonder all halo 3 brutes are almost hairless

[stable schooner]

Too bad Halo 2 marines have Melee disabled lol

[terse lava]

Ha

Then again, heretics too

To damage

[versed helm]

Well you try punching an Elite

[terse lava]

No

[versed helm]

lmao

[stoic hamlet]

See, it if had been lore

I’d prefer the plasma pistol

[remote spruce]

so did Banks ever live lol

[stable schooner]

Nah Heretics are just glitched and do no damage. Marines in 2 Literally are not allowed to use their Melee

[lapis moat]

Halo 1 plasma pistol - underrated

[stoic hamlet]

Lore wise though, the Plasma Pistol is a beast

[lapis moat]

It's epic

[sonic ridge]

Wait they do no damage

That explains a lot

[gilded mason]

That's gameplay Whoops, mistook the referenced post

[terse lava]

@stable schooneri know, still find it funny though

[lapis moat]

In Halo 1 they're pretty good

[sonic ridge]

I was surrounded by like 7 heretic elites all meleeing me and nothing was happening

[lapis moat]

Halo 2 they're absolutely useless

[stoic hamlet]

It’s two shotted a fully shielded Spartan before @sonic ridge in the lore

Not even overcharged, IIRC

[remote spruce]

so that was probably 40% battery gone

[sonic ridge]

What did

[gilded mason]

Plasma pistol

[stoic hamlet]

Plasma Pistol

[sonic ridge]

I said melee

[lapis moat]

The plasma pistol

[sonic ridge]

I wasn’t talking about pp

[stoic hamlet]

Oh

[sonic ridge]

I was talking about the heretics not doing melee damage

[stable schooner]

Yeah cause heretics have a problem with Hitboxes angles. I’ve tried and failed to fix it myself.

[gilded mason]

So many posts, things are gettin' jumbled up

[terse lava]

" your heresy had made you weak"

Those meta commandos

[stable schooner]

And Heretic Grunts Immune to fear evidently lol

[terse lava]

That's one thing That Ticked me off about those levels

The heretic grants are perfectly fine but you're a highly trained grunts panic like the lower ranks

[stable schooner]

I know it makes no sense but darn Heretic Grunts are Set Immune to fear and retreating while your Spec Op Grunts are just Ultra Reskins who retreat if an enemy gets with 20 feet of them

[hasty locust]

Lol, yeah

[terse lava]

Even in halo ce they didnt retreat

Kinda hard to give them duel rods when they act worthless

[stable schooner]

Yeah Spec Op Grunts got it hard after CE. Their just worst Ultras ever since

[terse lava]

Yea

[stoic hamlet]

Not very

[terse lava]

Yea at best would think rope strength

[versed helm]

No

Well, there's no indication that they do

I'm not sure why you would think they would

[lapis moat]

Because they're Lekgolo

They are epix

[sonic ridge]

I’ve stayed up till 5am for a few days talking in here and I need to stop

[lapis moat]

Are you in the UK?

[versed helm]

I mean it's a little like saying

[sonic ridge]

Yes

[versed helm]

Because Spartans are biologically-engineered super soldiers who can wear armour that would break a normal human's bones and can perceive time to pass slower than a regular human does in moments of adrenaline

[hasty locust]

Mhm

[versed helm]

They can turn into two separate beings if bisected

There's just no logical basis for your question, Donk

[lapis moat]

Not really

That's not the same imo

[hasty locust]

There never is to donk’s questions usually just random questions that I would never ask myself

Lol

[sonic ridge]

I thought that was my job

[lapis moat]

Ah you just reminded me @sonic ridge

Your pay check is gonna be late this month

Sorry

[sonic ridge]

F

Were it so easy

[lapis moat]

Violin

[sonic ridge]

The best halo 2 cutscene is the mid mission cutscene before the gondola right

Oh

In quarantine zone

[lapis moat]

My favourite is when Chief is dropping onto Halo 2 BABY

https://youtu.be/vyOA4BxRMH0?t=464

[feral perch]

Huh, Dunky

[lapis moat]

Gets me everytime

Jun was a sniper

:3

I believe so

[feral perch]

No.

He was not a Headhunter

[remote spruce]

judging by how he sniped those Covenant in the Nightfall mission, he ain't a great sniper

[feral perch]

Jun should’ve switched to a DMR in close quarters

[stable schooner]

DMR isn’t close ranged either though and doesn’t he use one when you defend Halsey?

[feral perch]

DMR is closer than sniper, and more effective too probably, in the hands of AI. I know he’s got a DMR in the last scene that he’s in

[stable schooner]

I’d give him a Assault Rifle or just a Magnum secondary but yeah he actually doesn’t have his sniper in the last mission

[versed helm]

gameplay isn't accurate, linda doesn't hit every single shot in H5

[remote spruce]

Which is why I take over as sniper and tell her to get that incineration cannon

[versed helm]

I just had a thought,is it possible that Roland might be a Created sleeper agent?

[gilded mason]

Possible? Sure. Likely? Nah.

[terse lava]

Just realized something Funny, in bungie's ce trailer with the marines fighting the covenant. Didnt the developers have to play as the sangheili due to the ai not being finished yet? If so, sangheili were playable long before halo 2

[versed helm]

I miss playing as a Sangheili

[gilded mason]

Perhaps Infinite will be the one.

[terse lava]

Better be

We have waited 9 long years

[gilded mason]

That Elite thread on Waypoint was made before even Halo 4 came out.

[terse lava]

Yep

[versed helm]

I wonder,what species lived on Netherop?

[terse lava]

Guessing some.random race

[deep pewter]

I hope we don’t get playable elites

[terse lava]

.......

[versed helm]

..................

[wintry coral]

Playable Elites for life

[versed helm]

^

[deep pewter]

Playable elites never

[wintry coral]

Wort wort wort

[terse lava]

Alright I will bite, why nate?

[deep pewter]

It ruins elite design

[stable schooner]

Bahhhh, Over so soon for Playable Elites also Breh

[gilded mason]

I can live with that

[wintry coral]

[stable schooner]

Same most of us can live with that

[terse lava]

Likewise

[versed helm]

I still wonder,is it possible that Covenant controlled territories outside the Orion Arm?

[gilded mason]

Perhaps some outposts.

[terse lava]

I would think.maybe ansmall outpost.but.nothing big

@deep pewterwas that your only reason?

[remote spruce]

Playable Elites but it's all armor from Halo 4 (I don't think 5 added any new Elite armor)

[versed helm]

It still bothers me,why don't we see any other alien races outside of the ones we already have?

[terse lava]

@versed helmbig galaxy

And likely a good chunk taken as covenant fringe races

[gilded mason]

It still bothers me,why don't we see any other alien races outside of the ones we already have?
We did just get introduced to one of the Fringe Covenant species, the Yonhet.

[remote spruce]

Game budget
Typical sci fi writing
Movie budget
Book focus preference

[gilded mason]

But the design leaves a lot to be inspired

[terse lava]

Budget

[unique rune]

I don't mind that we don't see a lot of other races.
We don't really get as much development on the ones we already have as-is.

[gilded mason]

Yeah.

I prefer having a small cast that can get more development versus a mass amount of puddle depth aliens

[terse lava]

Heck who knows, maybe they will keep the fringe rather vague just so people can make their own

[deep pewter]

I’d rather elites not be hunchbacks, personally

[versed helm]

The Yonhet still look like cheesy Star Trek aliens

[deep pewter]

2 and 3 elites are the worst elites in the series

[gilded mason]

Just have 'em be shorter.

[versed helm]

Reach elites are awesome

[feral perch]

Reach did Elites the best

[remote spruce]

I rather have the allusion of many covie species, and a focus on what we see now, but better world building

[gilded mason]

Or rather, the Elites that are playable are all shorties by happenstance.

[deep pewter]

Elites are canonically 7’5+, people already complain about phenotypes

Just saying they’re shorter fixes nothing

[gilded mason]

These will have dwarf genetics.

[feral perch]

Spartans are usually seven or eight feet

[terse lava]

@deep pewterao we are just auppoaes.to all be spartan 4s?

[deep pewter]

Like Arbiter is a whole foot taller than Chief

[feral perch]

But again, Reach

[gilded mason]

Yeah. It wouldn't be much of a decrease

[versed helm]

Brutes in Reach are ugly

[feral perch]

Reach has the best Brutes too...

[deep pewter]

Even Spartan 2s are shorties in comparison to elites

[remote spruce]

I rather the Reach method of playable Elites

[feral perch]

Halo 3/ODST Brutes are discount Elites

[terse lava]

@feral perchbungie did pretty much say that was the point

[remote spruce]

I know it limits them to playlists but at least it allows them to have their own stats

[gilded mason]

What

[versed helm]

I wish we had more games like ODST and Halo Wars 1 and 2

[gilded mason]

What hit the filters.

[versed helm]

Will we ever find out what species crash landed on Alpha Halo

[remote spruce]

No

[gilded mason]

Let's try that again:
John is 7'2" while the average low end for Elites is 7'4". It can work well.

[remote spruce]

I bet if I were to look in 343i's 2000+ page story bible, I would find no info on who crashed on i04

[stable schooner]

It’s not the 343 Armor that I detest but the body type so I could live with 343 Armor as customizing

[versed helm]

Nightfall is trash imho

[remote spruce]

The level or the mini series?

[versed helm]

Mini series

[terse lava]

Random

[stable schooner]

CE and 2 Elites for Life boys

[versed helm]

How good is Bad Blood?

[gilded mason]

It's okay.

[remote spruce]

Depends on your view of Halo 3 ODST

[versed helm]

Which game had the best Scorpion tank design

[terse lava]

2

[remote spruce]

*Wars 2

[terse lava]

Halo 3 leaves the gunner exposed

Was thinking halo 2

[stable schooner]

I’m gonna be honest I’ve never liked the look of the Scorpion Tank, I prefer the Grizzly even if it looks like a command and Conquer Tank

[terse lava]

Touche

[remote spruce]

Hey now, just bec-
Yea pretty much it looks like it's from that

[terse lava]

Heh

[versed helm]

Was Boren's Syndrome a real disease or was it just a cover up that was created by ONI to explain how Johnson was immune to Flood infection

[stable schooner]

Ah boy here we go again Ostral you are summoned

@gilded mason

[remote spruce]

Yesno

[gilded mason]

Was Boren's Syndrome a real disease or was it just a cover up that was created by ONI to explain how Johnson was immune to Flood infection
It's unclear if it was actually a real disease. But Johnson having it was false, yes. And Johnson is not immune

[versed helm]

Oh

[terse lava]

Make.one wonder why the flood even. Bothered with hin

[gilded mason]

Hm?

[versed helm]

Plot armor maybe

[remote spruce]

Now this is probably in the story bible

343i probably took both reasons and combined them

[versed helm]

Which map would you consider to be the most mysterious

[gilded mason]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[remote spruce]

Shoot I forgot

[versed helm]

What was the name of that map that had a rock that older than the earliest Forerunner artifact?

[remote spruce]

None of the UNSC maps tbh

A rock?

Not naturally

[gilded mason]

Perhaps over a very long period, things will become less glass-y naturally.

[versed helm]

Wait,it was Impact

[remote spruce]

Well we know the year of the epilogue

But of course that could just be the start year

[versed helm]

So what happened between 2559 and 2610?

[remote spruce]

No clue

They made a museum

[versed helm]

Given all of the medical advancements they made,how long can a human in the Halo universe live for?

[remote spruce]

Ignoring Spartans, probably up to 100

[versed helm]

Wasn't Parangosky described as being ancient

[remote spruce]

Are we counting cryo sleep lol

Maybe Big Maggie didn't have much cryo

[warm ridge]

@versed helm What
We know the date of Noble 6's death

It even says it right at the beginning of the mission Lone Wolf

August 30th, 2552.
Also the UNSC likely scrapped and used the "glassings" of Reach in other productive machinery, basically all glassed worlds became mining colonies like Meridian I'm pretty sure. Then they start planting etc and so on.

@gilded mason Yes, over many thousands/millions of years Reach would become "habitable/green" again eventually 100% naturally.

[neat bough]

Does anyone know why Installation 07 is called Zeta Halo instead of Omega Halo, considering how the latter name would make more sense due to how it's essentially the last remaining ring from the original Halo Array from the Greater Ark?

[carmine sleet]

Because Omega Halo was used for another ring

Being the last ring of the original array built by the Greater Ark

[warm ridge]

That's something we don't know anything about. All we know for sure is the Reach re-colonization efforts started in 2553, and it was slightly habitable in 2589. It wasn't until 2610 where only 2 cities (New Alexandria and Esztergom) were reconstructed.

[last anchor]

Deglassing a planet is...not exactly easy. Case in point Meridian. Tanaka even mentions getting "Generations" of people to chip away the glass

TBH I kinda hope in infinite we get to fight through an actual glass feild rather than the human settlement filled ones on Miridian. That'd be pretty cool

[feral perch]

Yeah, I'd like interactable glassed environments, similar to what Gears 4 and 5 have going

[last anchor]

My thoughts exactly

[versed helm]

Listening to the Harvest audiobook at the moment

I've heard the book is great, has anybody here read it?

[last anchor]

Be surprised if anyone hasnt really

[fair hazel]

I’d like to see meridian in infinite or some media then. And see the deglassing

[feral perch]

I'm betting Infinite will only be on the Halo ring... but who knows??

[fair hazel]

I hope it’s more

[last anchor]

We saw Meridian already though, we fought through it for 3 levels in Infinite

Four if you count the hub

[feral perch]

in Guardians? Hehe

[fair hazel]

But I want to see the positives of Cortana. To have something that shows the upsides if you will.

Cause it shouldn’t be all bad.

[feral perch]

We saw the upsides, for Unggoy, in Bad Blood.

[warm ridge]

The only upsides is that Cortana allows advancements for certain specific species that are easy to submit to her and will accept her as a "god".

Humans, Elites, etc will by all means not receive any of these advancements.

The Brutes is a maybe considering it's just as easy to "subjugate" them under her order, but Brutes tend to also be very pack orientated and unstable, so probably not.

Forerunners did the same thing so, yeah.

[feral perch]

Humans on Meridian should, since the survivors accepted her offer.

In the short story in Halo: Fractures that deals with the aftermath of the Guardian leaving, the survivors hear Cortana’s announcement and send a reply, accepting.

[versed helm]

Was there any world about any ONI AI who joined the Created?

[copper wigeon]

that is a good question,

I wonder if Black Box would accept that sort of thing

[gilded mason]

Ye

https://www.halopedia.org/Sonduk

[copper wigeon]

dope, also from what I am reading Black Box did not accept the proposal

OR did

[versed helm]

I wouldn't put it past Cortana or the Created purposely revealing some of ONI's secrets to the public, creating distrust on the UNSC and getting more people to join the Created instead of just AIs.

[stoic hamlet]

It wouldn’t do anything

If it did I’d actually be really annoyed

It would also be super easy for ONI to say she faked it.

[versed helm]

Well we won't know the effects the Created left on the local populace until Infinite. So we'll see.

[stoic hamlet]

Mhm.

But still, no one, or at least only fringe elements should actually care about ONI’s skeletons in the closet.

We have plenty of examples of far worse things IRL having been brought to light with no one batting an eye.

[gilded mason]

Then why are they still trying to keep Spartan origins a secret?

[stoic hamlet]

That’s not the point I’m trying to make.

Why dId the NSA try and keep their spying on the American people secret?

Almost nothing happened when it was brought to light.

Why did the Canadian government try and hide the goings-on in residential schools from the public for years? The last one closed in 1996, nothing happened, etc, etc, etc.

[feral perch]

that’s two examples

[terse lava]

@feral perchi have the book, which one was it?

[feral perch]

I think it depends on whether there’s a group or group of groups that have a vested interest in exposing ONI.

What Remains

[stoic hamlet]

There were quite a few groups invested in both things.

But I can provide more examples, not hard in the slightest.

[feral perch]

Okay.

I just don’t think the backlash would be inconsequential, but not world breaking either.

People like Ben Giraud would care, at least.

[gilded mason]

Didn't Hunt the Truth show outer colonies start to revolt when Ben started airing the truth about the Spartan program?

[stoic hamlet]

The banana republics, the British camps during the Boer War, the South American Dictatorships.

In more recent years, the Russian advances in Europe, Chinese government crackdowns, and the US policies in the Middle East.

And there’s probably more.

You wouldn’t see full on rebellions, but maybe fringe groups. That’s it.

It’s the “others” principle

“It didn’t happen to me, thus I only care for a few moments relatively.”

[feral perch]

Hm.

[stoic hamlet]

It sucks, but that’s the way it works, that’s how it’s always worked.

[remote spruce]

that principle is too accurate RIP

[feral perch]

Sometimes, though, events like Hong Kong stand out.

[stoic hamlet]

No, that only helps prove my point

[feral perch]

I wonder if we’ll see that kind of thing in response to Cortana, on Earth.

[stoic hamlet]

There’s definitely more fire in that than other things

[feral perch]

Civilians, not UNSC people

[carmine sleet]

An AI forcibly taking over the galaxy with robot space owls will most definitely cause civilians to react to what's happening

[stoic hamlet]

But real genuine effort has only been seen by the western world against China because of things that directly impact them. Blizzard’s fiasco, the NBA, etc.

[feral perch]

I mean if we’ll get to see it/read about it or just hear accounts of it

[stoic hamlet]

But I do think the UNSC/civilians will resist her

[feral perch]

Will it be “swept away” like the New Phoenix incident, or explored in greater detail

[stoic hamlet]

Cortana releasing ONI’s secrets won’t make people aside from fringe groups turn on ONI/the UNSC.

That’s what I mean by my examples

[feral perch]

gotcha

I agree with you.

[remote spruce]

Considering how the "grid" exists in Halo, most civilians are perfectly willing to give up certain rights for pragmatic reasons

[carmine sleet]

I think that was more Forge shooting Ripa in his hand opposed to shooting the sword

[terse lava]

Yea that was shooting at the hand

[versed helm]

I mean given the design of the hilt

It was both - it was probably the unique handguard on Ripa's blade that saved his fingers from being eviscerated

[terse lava]

Maybe, a pity such fine swords were in the hands of someone. So incompetent

[stoic hamlet]

Well, it likely wasn’t just the blade, the hilt might have been a family sword, or a more ancient design.

[terse lava]

Wonder what became of the moramee bloodline then

[gilded mason]

Probably still living the good life with their Yanme'e pals.

[remote spruce]

Do Elites have sandwiches?

[hasty locust]

Hah

[remote spruce]

we need a short story of Covenant examining UNSC rations

[hasty locust]

That would be funny

[gilded mason]

"Wow, these taste awful. Truly, we are doing the galaxy a favor."

[versed helm]

Obligatory joke about coffee being the source of our strength

There WAS a fan comic that an Elite tried human customs during the Covenant occupation of New Mombasa, but you can't really taste soda if it spills on you.

[hasty locust]

That’s true how do elites drink?

Lol

[versed helm]

Emergency induction port.

[terse lava]

Heh

[ebon heron]

Why didn’t Ripa have personal shields

[gilded mason]

Visual media tends not to display shields for some reason.

[versed helm]

Wait I got the two in reverse.

Usually shields don't cover stabs. Remember the assassinations?

Blur doesn't really show shields

But in Ripa's case

His shields were probably drained by the gutful of assault rifle fire he took

And the additional pistol fire

[sonic ridge]

Why didn’t jul have shields?

[gilded mason]

🤷

||Bodydouble||

[sonic ridge]

I doubt it

[gilded mason]

I know.

[sonic ridge]

I just realised how ridiculous it is to

Tho

The leader of this covenant splinter group or whatever who’s holding Halsey hostage

[unique rune]

shields turn themselves on and off as the plot demands

[sonic ridge]

And he doesn’t even have shields

[gilded mason]

shields turn themselves on and off as the plot demands
Eyup.

[sonic ridge]

Oh boi lets just stab this guy in the neck

The other problem with it is the new elite armour isn’t designed very well it seems

He doesn’t even have like an undershirt

Suit

[versed helm]

It pleases me the way Jul's mandibles wobble as his lifeless corpse thunks to the ground

[gilded mason]

looters pls

[sonic ridge]

Thel was disgraced and given the role of arbiter which would send him into suicidal missions so they could rest easy knowing another heretic died

And he even has an undersuit

[versed helm]

Well, it's a little juvenile to think that undersuit automatically equals good in all situations.

[gilded mason]

Jul had an undersuit. Just not full sleeves for some reason

[sonic ridge]

Well yea

But he doesn’t even have extra protection

I doubt an undersuit covering his neck would really do much

[versed helm]

An undersuit doesn't really do much full-stop, unless you're a Spartan and it does everything.

[sonic ridge]

If it doesn’t do anything why did so many elites wear them

I mean I don’t think any are actually shown in them in 4 or 5

Not even the arbiter

[versed helm]

Well, look

[unique rune]

Temperature insulation

[versed helm]

First off, frikerf

[sonic ridge]

They were in a pretty cold place by the looks of things

[versed helm]

Your complaints here are subjective ones relating to visual design

[sonic ridge]

Snow

[versed helm]

Don't pretend to be able to do an intelligent analysis of alien combat harness undersuit functionality and usage preferences.

Because it just doesn't work that way.

[sonic ridge]

Where am I doing this

I’m saying why doesn’t the leader of this group have extra protection that was just standard for elites before

[versed helm]

Well, you're discussing the reasons undersuits are worn rather than discussing the aesthetic.

You don't know the factors and individual preferences that go into that, is what I'm saying.

[sonic ridge]

Even if it’s just for regulating temperature

[unique rune]

maybe it chafes

[sonic ridge]

They’re in a cold place wearing armour that would probably make them a bit extra cold

If anything the armour just on skin would chaff id say

Opposed to with the undersuit

[versed helm]

We don't have any way of knowing if any point you make on the in-universe functionality of Elite undersuits holds merit

Because we just straight-up don't have the lore

Now, we can stand here and talk headcanon all day

But what you're criticizing here is the new art style used by the Covenant splinter factions, which is meant to evoke a more lightweight, savage, guerilla style than the very regimented, heavier style of unified Covenant.

At least as I understand it

[sonic ridge]

I guess it does that but it’s never what at least Sangheilis were

To players at least

[versed helm]

Well, it's what Elites of Jul's Covenant wear.

[sonic ridge]

It’s just sorta like they made new elites to replace the brutes

[versed helm]

I don't think they did that, but they did, I think, want to dehumanize them.

Emphasize their size.

And they seemingly underestimated the following that Elites have.

[sonic ridge]

It’s kinda funny after halo 2 humanises them a lot

[versed helm]

Some critical players at 343 might've gone in under the slightly silly assumption that everyone in Halo just roots for the obvious good guys.

[unique rune]

Part of the issue I think is because people tend to get in their mind that the Sangheili were a super unified, homogenized race
when in reality that is quite far from the case

[sonic ridge]

Dunno about that one either

Since the trailers they did for it made it unclear whether chief or Locke were the good guy

[gilded mason]

And they seemingly underestimated the following that Elites have.
😋

[versed helm]

That's not quite what I meant, frikerf.

[sonic ridge]

I know

You mean they made the aliens look more alien to make them seem bad

[versed helm]

Well, partly that.

And they felt at liberty to do that because the felt humans and Spartans were more the focal point.

Who while themselves underwent some changes, do generally embody the spirit of what they originally were better.

[sonic ridge]

It’s obvious not many people would route for the big bulky eye gouging guys that have extremely deep and brutish voices

[versed helm]

Well you're not meant to.

[sonic ridge]

My discord crashed while I was typing that

[versed helm]

You're meant to have fun mowing them down.

And personally, I find 343's elites pretty fun to mow down, not gonna lie.

[sonic ridge]

It’s funny cause like 5 of the missions are on Sanghelios

Fighting “alongside” the sos

[versed helm]

Well, Halo 5 is a little bit of an oddity.

[stable schooner]

Those are all outside real life problems not Lore for that situation

[versed helm]

Halo 5 was sorta, trying to build a more complex, nuanced world on top of what Halo 4 was getting at.

And that's the thing about Halo 5 for me

I absolutely adore the moments where it showcases the depth and complexity of the Halo universe

But it's just sad knowing the way things panned out and recognizing how they didn't meet the mark of what fans might've expected

[sonic ridge]

I mean the story is kinda confusing

And you need to read books/lore to get a few things

[gilded mason]

It's an oddity even when you previously read the books.

[sonic ridge]

In Bungie halo games you never really needed to

You could look up the lore and read stuff and understand the world more

But it was never required to understand who people are and stuf

[versed helm]

Halo 5's "inconsistencies" with the universe as previously seen are greatly exaggerated

[sonic ridge]

What inconsistencies

[versed helm]

Ask Ostral

[sonic ridge]

Idk what you mean by that in this

Alright

@gilded mason what inconsistencies

[versed helm]

Well "oddities" is probably a better term since it's the one he used

[feral perch]

I found something I like about Locke.

He’s not a Halsey hater.

[versed helm]

If Nightfall achieved one thing

It left me pretty warm on Locke

I'm a bit of a sucker for open-minded characters.

[feral perch]

I didn’t like anything about Nightfall.

I much prefer Ike Amadi’s take on the character

[versed helm]

Nightfall has good moments

The "draw straws" bit is good.

[gilded mason]

@sonic ridge
Basically this, I suppose
https://haruspis.blog/2016/06/10/halo-5-level-by-level-analysis-afterword/

[feral perch]

I wanted to see some classic Halo action, not an unusually desperate situation with cheesy existential dialogue and a depressed former Spartan-II.

[gilded mason]

Talks about the books that were supposed to lead into Halo 5 and how it didn't do such a swell job

[versed helm]

Well, you know how I feel about what I see as fairly overblown attempts to say "I didn't like this, I did like this" with some form of objectivity.

[humble yacht]

Nightfall probably didn’t have the budget for “classic Halo action”

Live action adaptations rarely capture the majesty of their game origins

[versed helm]

Tends to amount to a whole lot of pointing stuff out, coming up with terminology, and then just asserting that said stuff you pointed out succeeds or fails to conjure emotions.

[feral perch]

I mean, instead of spending CGI on Lekgolo, spend it on Grunts or a few Wraiths

[last anchor]

They had Ridley Scott working on it. Pretty sure all he can do is Alien or variations on Alien

[feral perch]

Lol.

[humble yacht]

Ridley Scott did gladiator

So eat it

[sonic ridge]

When is nightfall set

[last anchor]

Gladiator is just aliens but with humans

[humble yacht]

That’s an insulting statement to all of cinema

[feral perch]

You have a point Looters. It’s been a while since I’ve seen Nightfall, but apparently they couldn’t use their guns because weapons are technology that attracts the Lekgolo?

[sonic ridge]

The weapons that were ripped from alien movies

[feral perch]

uh what

[sonic ridge]

The assault rifle in halo is literally the assault rifle from like alien 2 or something iirc

[feral perch]

no

stahp

[humble yacht]

alien 2

Whut

[sonic ridge]

I’ve not seen the movies for a while

[proud quail]

the pulse rifle from aliens is just an M1 Thompson Sub Machine Gun

[humble yacht]

Aliens

It was called aliens

This is a sad day

[sonic ridge]

I’ve not seen the movies for a few years

[last anchor]

The thing wasnt even bullpup, the only thing shared is the glowing ammo counter.
And the one in Aleins was on the SIDE for some godfordaken reason.
How the hell're you gonna look at a side mounted ammo counter in a firefight?

[humble yacht]

Neither have I but I remember the name

[versed helm]

Well tbh

A lot of modern guns have clear plastic magazines

[feral perch]

wrist eyeballs, Orca

[sonic ridge]

I was thinking of aliens but didn’t want to be wrong so said alien /

[versed helm]

Well it was a fad for a while

[proud quail]

"a lot of"

hmm

[versed helm]

I corrected myself, gimme a break

[last anchor]

Every major modern rifle has experimented with it, but I think the G36 is probably the most known one.
I know the P90 has it too right?

[versed helm]

Well, it's the same principle as those

Just check when you're not in the middle of shooting something

But obviously I can't deny the superiority of having an enormous cowling-based screen that you can glance at while making an Elite "wilt, fold and fly apart".

Why does the HUD even bother with its own ammo counter when you're using a UNSC rifle though, that's my question

[feral perch]

Nightfall Locke and Halo 5 Locke seem like two different characters. And H2A Terminal Locke seems like a separate character from the Nightfall Locke, too.

[proud quail]

how does the HUD tell how much ammo you have is a question on its own

[versed helm]

Halo 5's character problem is not really giving any characters the opportunity to show their character

Nightfall actually did showcase how Locke responded to stuff

[humble yacht]

Gun links to the armor

Simple

[versed helm]

Called smart-link

Or VISR-link

Probably like space bluetooth

[proud quail]

do all guns have bluetooth that responds to the touch of a hand?

[versed helm]

True fact, last time I made that comparison someone told me that idea is totally unworkable because bluetooth is easily compromised

Basically, yeah.

[proud quail]

that makes not a lot of sense to me but okay

[versed helm]

The UNSC likes targeting reticles.

They're kinda really central to Halo's identity, come to think of it.

[feral perch]

... and you get a reticle, and you get a reticle...

[versed helm]

Like Halo's gameplay is based around accurate hipfire facilitated by reliable targeting reticles.

That's just how gunplay is in Halo, in-game and in-universe.

Works for them.

[feral perch]

And remember, if there’s anything remotely similar to aiming down sights... The game is a CoD clone.

/s

[sonic ridge]

Aiming in with a sword

[last anchor]

Thats totally a game mechanic lets be real. As is the sword lunge in previous games flinging you across the map

[hasty locust]

Well@I don’t think people call 5 a CoD clone just because of ADS but because of the sliding, the sprinting the clambering weapon skins, etc

[sonic ridge]

I’m totally fine with the clambering tbh

It makes the game overall better imo

[hasty locust]

Yeah, don’t mind it

[sonic ridge]

The other stuff isn’t as good tho I think

[hasty locust]

Yeah

[sonic ridge]

I’m even kinda alright with the smart link stuff

[gilded mason]

Eh, clambering causes everything with ledges to become even higher

[hasty locust]

But I won’t be upset if clambering doesn’t come back

[sonic ridge]

I like the fact it creates like a 3D battlefield

Rather than it being kinda flat

Not that previous games had that

But it kinda amplifies the combat I feel

[hasty locust]

Well in 3, 2, CE etc I’m pretty sure you could just jump unnaturally high, lol

[sonic ridge]

Super soldiers and elites in 2 and 3

Ce jump is actually not very high

[hasty locust]

Yeah

But still high for a regular human

Because it should be

[sonic ridge]

For a regular human show

Sue

Sure

Jesus

I liked the high jump in 2 and 3

[hasty locust]

I’m not sure how heavy gen 2 mjolnir is but when you think about it it kinda makes sense you can’t pull your body up over a ledge in armor weighing over a ton

[sonic ridge]

Well it’s connected to their brain isn’t it

Which somehow makes it do some thing that basically makes it light for the user

Also if I’ve learned anything from metroid it’s hi-jump boots

But this isn’t metroid

[hasty locust]

Lol, yeah

[subtle depot]

Mjolnir amplifies strength. Since mark 6 and into gen 2 mjolnir has actually made the wearer faster due to its hydraulics. Only mark 4 and 5 slowed the spartan down a little bit due to weight

[sonic ridge]

Oh yes

Yea

It like increases their strength by 20x doesn’t it

[hasty locust]

Yeah, would still be hella tiring to lift yourself up

that was just my head canon as to why you couldn’t in the earlier games

[subtle depot]

Mark 6 and gen2 are 5x Mark 4 and 5 are 2x approximately they aren’t exact numbers

[last anchor]

Which is still pretty impressive considering how baseline strong Spartans are to begin with

[feral perch]

Spartan-IIIs can’t jump. Reach taught us that.

Oh great, I didn’t see the convo had scrolled quite a lot lol

[hasty locust]

Ha

[remote spruce]

Reach disproves this /s

[versed helm]

ODST cant jump boys

I was curious why this discord has no meme page

[sonic ridge]

Probably because you’ll get a few people who post real edgy and stuff others deem offensive

Which I get even if this discord wasn’t tailoring itself to a younger crowd

Same reason no politics and that’s a good thing

[versed helm]

Trur wish this discord had some wholesome/semi edgy halo memes

[sonic ridge]

There’s some Facebook groups that do that

[versed helm]

I get ya

Which is your favorite rifle the AR BR or DMR

[sonic ridge]

Plasma rifle

[versed helm]

..... touche

[hasty locust]

Lol

[versed helm]

Okay plus the storm and plasma rifle and plasma repeater and the binary rifle and Sniper rifle and needler rifle wow 343 calm down with the rifles

[sonic ridge]

Didn’t 343 only make the storm rifle lmao

Plasmas sniper and needle were Bungie

Binary and storm were 343

[versed helm]

True true we gotta give them a smack on the head

[humble yacht]

343 made railgun

[sonic ridge]

I don’t think the names are a problem

I would just like a bit more variety

Railgun was great

Saw was great

[hasty locust]

Duel wielding was the best

NEEDLERS

[sonic ridge]

That was only ever in 2

Dual needlers

[hasty locust]

I know

[versed helm]

Gents my friend has just challenged me to a duel stating that Destiny 1 and 2 are better than Halo 1 and 2, by the end of tonignt I shall have one less friend

[hasty locust]

Ha, lol

[sonic ridge]

Bruh

[versed helm]

Bring back duel wielding

[hasty locust]

Yep

[versed helm]

Flash gitz youtube honestly summed up destiny for me