#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 246

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:36 PM

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SoF is old? dunno

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Odd, the Halo Wars strat guide syas it was Douglas

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Wait, how did Serina stop a fight between them

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halopedia wrong

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?

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"Knock it off"

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maybe?

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"Or I'm gonna literally have a platoon of MPs in here with batons and tear gas"

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would that work?

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i don't think so

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 4:38 PM

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That sounds like Serina lets be real

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:38 PM

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we saw what jerome did to the brutes and elites on the ship

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 4:38 PM

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She was a snarky AI

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:38 PM

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i mean, she did almost cause the SoF to get over ran by flood

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 4:38 PM

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It would probably more be for Forge than Jerome.

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Im gonna go check this out

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:38 PM

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check what out

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 4:39 PM

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It would still work on Jerome

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Presumably neither was in armour

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:39 PM

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I guess it does make more sense it was douglas rather than jerome

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"I'm gonna literally have a platoon of MPs in here with jackhammer tubes"

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Just tranq rounds

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:39 PM

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jerome seems too respecful to do anything

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 4:40 PM

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We’ve seen them used to stop Soren before.

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It wouldn’t be hard to stop Jerome/Douglas

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That

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Whoever it was lol, halopedia may have that wrong

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Or seal the room and pump gas inside

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:41 PM

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So, the altercation was when Anders was captured, yea?

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Yes

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Why does halopedia say it was jerome?? now i can't trust halopedia

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Im talking to the dudes on the Halopedia discord about it right now

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Lol, theres a halopedia discord?

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Yes. And a Halo Fanon one.
Apperently it is Jerome.

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The Strategy Guide I got it from was wrong.
Good to know

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:45 PM

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neat

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but they weren't really named characters in HW1 really anyways

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like now like in HW2

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I mean they had names

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But they just weren't ever said in the cutscenes

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or in MP

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 4:45 PM

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MPs not canon so

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In the game they were really only differentiated by their weapons.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:46 PM

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true, true

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 4:46 PM

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So it could have been Douglas. Honestly it feels like something Douglas would do more than Jerome but thats me.

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Whatever the game says, goes

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:46 PM

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now they have different armor types

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it does feel like something douglas would do rather than jerome, i don't feel jerome would say to blow up moramees ship with anders on it

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 4:47 PM

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To be fair he didnt really have much characters back in HW1. None of Red did

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Jerome still had the most interaction, though

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Alice and Douglas hasn't really had much screen time compared to jerome

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in both games

proud quail Oct 18, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Didn’t needle hit rion? And not in the chest?

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Rion got hit in the shoulder and so was the spartan. It was a firefight @fair hazel

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:49 PM

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I wouldn't @ the mods, you're not technically supposed to

proud quail Oct 18, 2019, 4:49 PM

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ouch

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technically it was to answer a question i had some sort of relation to 👀

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Though CIA, at least, is fine with it.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 4:50 PM

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depends on the mod really, but i don't just to be safe

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 5:03 PM

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They did have names

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In HW1

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When you took control of them/panned over their unit

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He was I think

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But he’s not the tallest

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Yea, but they weren't distinctly different like in HW2

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Ripa was just a jerk

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 5:04 PM

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In cutscenes, no. But you could see they had different armour decals

proud quail Oct 18, 2019, 5:04 PM

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ripa was absolutely broad

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ripa was ripped

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there we go

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Alice with her skull and crossbones for example

proud quail Oct 18, 2019, 5:05 PM

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there's the pun

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 5:05 PM

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He was apparently only 2 inches taller than Rtas.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Now, they have completely different decals

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Iniches

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 5:05 PM

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They did in HW1 as well

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Their armour had different decals

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:05 PM

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who made the Cutscenes for HW1?

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Blur

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Same ones who made it for HW2

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Same company anyways

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:06 PM

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I know they made it for the second

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I feel they had more character in the second installment

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the spartans

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even though it was mostly Jerome for screentime

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 5:08 PM

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I wish everyone had more character in the second installment

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 5:09 PM

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^^^

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:10 PM

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I know they are trying to Push jerome, and isabel, trying to make them like a young chief and cortana, and i love that, but i wanna see more Alice

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Alice is actually supposed to be really lethal combat wise

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 5:11 PM

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maybe you could even say...

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:11 PM

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I mean she certainly acts like a badass.

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 5:11 PM

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~~hyperlethal~~

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:11 PM

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But that doesn't mean she's the best.

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Everyone has strengths and weaknesses otherwise it wouldn't be interesting.

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She does give me Vasquez vibes

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Ostral, don't

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 5:11 PM

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lol

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:12 PM

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but they get overshadowed by Jerome, even though he's my favorite spartan

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I mean they all have their own moments of focus in the campaign.

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And it's the kind of story that only had room for so many main main characters.

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but did alice get a huge mechanized mantis to raom around and cause havoc

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no

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Well that's multiplayer.

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i was making a joke lol

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Frankly I'm still miffed that they took such an arcadey, unrealistic approach to leaders.

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Like c'mon

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I do want a 3rd HW, but idk if that will happen

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Ya never know.

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Especially with the PC focus.

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They left a cliffhanger with the end of HW2

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and i wanna see more Red Team, which i know they will probably be in a book or comic or something.

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Well, Jerome wouldn't fight Forge

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but he's a spartan II in Mjolnir

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so

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RIP forge

remote spruce Oct 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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give how nerfed Jerome is with his laser, Forge's shotgun just might win

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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John at 12 was able to defeat 4 ODSTs by himself

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and John isn't the best spartan hand to hand

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I'd give it to jerome, theoretically if they were to fight

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even tho they already did

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hehe

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yea, there was an altercation that ended up in a broken chair

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"After Jerome recommended destroying 'Moramee's ship and killing Anders rather than let classified information fall into Covenant hands, Forge confronted the Spartan. The altercation resulted in a broken chair, a seal malfunction on a bulkhead, and a stern interruption from Serina. From then on, Forge and Jerome always ate together in the mess hall."

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 5:23 PM

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main thing to think about n this hypothetical, are they fighting to kill?

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if so Jerome takes it 100%

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Jerome did face those 5-6 brutes with nothing but a shotgun, and didn't look to of gotten touched

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My mental image is of Forge just wailing on Jerome with a chair

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And Jerome just being like

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"Let it out"

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I don't think anyone actually hit anyone lol, just an arguement and Forge probably threw a chair

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 5:25 PM

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most times Brutes/covenant in general are only a challenge when they surprise a Spartan.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Broken chairs are common in the SoF

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Jerome dodges chair

"Do that again, I dare you."

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:26 PM

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and also, In HW1, they say "this is for Samuel!"

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i like that

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"i'm about to end this mans whole career"

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or how Jerome at the begining of HW2, says something about John

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Don't worry, it turns out Spartans do a lot less damage with their punches than expected.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Huh

remote spruce Oct 18, 2019, 5:28 PM

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remember Jerome's chair
the best Halo weapon

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Flood vs jerome with chair

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amazing

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it's in a comic somewhere

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Something Has Happened, from Tales from Slipspace?

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:30 PM

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I’m confused what you’re asking

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 5:31 PM

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The comic. Where Jerome does that

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I was wondering if that was it.

remote spruce Oct 18, 2019, 5:32 PM

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yes

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 5:32 PM

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That was Douglas, Looters

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Jerome first alluded to destroying the ship Anders was on, which Forge was not pleased with, and then when he heard a second Spartan (Douglas) outright suggest the same thing, he lost it.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 5:49 PM

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For some reason Halopedia still says Jerome did.

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I guess someone got a little too handsy with the lore.

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They left a note.

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Huh. Is THAT what happened?

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Seems to be.

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Naughty naughty.

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They just decided it went better with what we see in the game.

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 6:05 PM

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I knew it!

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So it WAS Douglas!

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Sure seems that way, doesn't it? xD

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Inb4

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It's actually Alice

remote spruce Oct 18, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Red Team best team (sorry Blue)

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Alice would probably, like, just launch herself at the Covy ship and destroy it from inside.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Gotta say

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I approve of the Alice hype

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Alice is good

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 6:09 PM

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She's the AC-130 of Spartans, am I right?

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:09 PM

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hah

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hahaha

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haaaah

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i see wot u did thar

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I was a little hesitant when I heard her in HW2, because at first all I could hear was Asajj Ventress, but I like her better now that I've gotten used to her voice as Alice.

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Wait, Alice's VA is Asajj?

remote spruce Oct 18, 2019, 6:12 PM

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considering her turret she might as well be a ground AC-130

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Yep, Slip. Wild, huh?

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Indeed

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:12 PM

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It's a small galaxy

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 6:12 PM

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I still can't believe Mark Hamill was in Hunt the Truth

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Alice's tag is One-Three-Zero, jungle. edit: gotcha, u right

remote spruce Oct 18, 2019, 6:13 PM

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i know the joke, i was trying to add on to it given her weapon

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:13 PM

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He was?! I never listened to HtT. Maybe I should.

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 6:13 PM

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He's in season 2

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:15 PM

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I dunno guys, the jackrabbit driver is pretty lit

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Except for all those marines that get left behind in her first mission

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Halo Wars 2's in-game cinematics are so exaggerated lol

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:15 PM

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I love HW2's cinematics.

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So Halo

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So hype

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 6:16 PM

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To be fair Stone, if they didn't exaggerate the in-game cutscenes, it wouldn't feel right

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There were Spartans on the Ark, even before Red Team arrived

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:16 PM

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True. I like them, but what I don't like is how restricted the campaign feels at times. I wish it were more like the in-game cutscenes, especially in the early levels.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:16 PM

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I doubt the Banished just left the corpses everywhere.

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:17 PM

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I really want to play the first level with everything available to use, but sadly you just can't do that.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Brutes gotta eat.

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Atriox likely ordered his men to dispose of them

wintry coral Oct 18, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Did the Banished not know about Isabel before Red Team showed up?

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 6:18 PM

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I believe they did but she was avoiding them as much as possible

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Bait for a ship he didn't know was there?

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:18 PM

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AIs can be smart like that

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Or bait for any UNSC reinforcements?

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I'd buy the second option.

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okey-doke

wintry coral Oct 18, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I like the way the Enduring Conviction was destroyed

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Enduring Conviction bruh

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Non-human, non-Forerunner species have very limited relationships with AIs in Halo.

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They might not have been very interested in Isabel.

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Yeah, that was weird to me.

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 6:20 PM

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UNSC reinforcements would've had to have gone through the portal or taken the long way to the Ark, given how long the long way is and the fact the portal was closed, Atriox wouldn't have been using her for bait for reinforcements that wouldn't have arrived until long after they would've been done. At least until and old ship that had been missing for 30 years arrived, but even then, I doubt she was bait

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Was it really less expensive to depict ramming action, than combined Sentinel beams?

wintry coral Oct 18, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Isabel made the Carrier glass the surface, of course the Sentinels would do anything to destroy it

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:21 PM

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But was ramming truly the better option?

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I dunno

wintry coral Oct 18, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I guess they could've used their Sentinel Beams

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Actually it could be more efficient per-volume

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Cuz if you were beaming it you could only have a few beaming it

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But this way it's like a constant unremitting barrage of high-velocity impacts

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Given how much it likely would've cost to render out all those Sentinels firing all at once, my guess is they went with ramming because it was both more interesting and saved them money

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:22 PM

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I'm just thinking they could combine their fire in the same vein as the Onyx Sentinels.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:22 PM

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I'm gonna have to say

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I genuinely think that what occurred makes sense

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Like there's no issue there for me

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Ark is threatened, sentinels sacrifice themselves to bisect the ship.

wintry coral Oct 18, 2019, 6:23 PM

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@versed helm Probably making sure a Flood Containment Breach doesn't happen

remote spruce Oct 18, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Anders: "my army!"

wintry coral Oct 18, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Even though they're usually called out during the Coordinated Stage of an outbreak

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Above average.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Not strong enough to beat my boi Atriox.

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This UNIT of a man got dragged away with a broken Helmet

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So your talking about Jorge, I agree he’s a unit

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Oh crap my bad I thought you were still talking about Douglas I missed that comment.

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Yeah Jorge is a peaceful beast

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:44 PM

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So who here thinks Dr Halsey is a monster vs being a hero for her spartan 2 creations

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 6:46 PM

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No more controversial then half ourU.S Presidents Lol. Hero in my eyes if a little too unyielding

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:46 PM

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She's just a woman who knew the maths, knew what needed to be done, and had the drive to carry it out.

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Even without the Covenant her work would've saved many more children than it harmed.

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And preserved a unified, strong future for humanity.

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Yeah, but is that a bad thing?

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There's nothing to break the backs of the enemy like a little overkill.

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I think they're probably overkill when it comes to actually killing insurrectionist soldiers

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But in terms of carrying out impossible missions and swaying the conflict?

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They were just the ticket.

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Then again, ignoring outer colonists' problems is gonna just hurt you in the long run.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Well, the outer colonist's problems seem to be taxes.

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As in, the profitability of what they export.

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That doesn't necessarily seem like an everyman's problem.

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The fact of the matter is that they were trying to dictate terms to Earth, without which they wouldn't exist and without which they would probably cease to exist.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 6:50 PM

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What outer Colonists need to do is move to Frontier Sangheili planets and escape that UNSC Jurisdiction or establish joint planets so UNSC intervention is controversial

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:51 PM

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My perspective is shut up, keep your heads down and enjoy the merits of being a 26th century person.

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Eh, I guess agree to disagree.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 6:52 PM

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That doesn’t sound very American so I gotta pass. Time to live on Sanghelios

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Well, you enjoy that.

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 6:54 PM

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and sangheili everywhere oh baby

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Nothing like a brutal civil conflict to really get your enterprising, freedom-loving spirit in gear.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Wasn’t their Brute workers on Sanghelios for a while?

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Yes.

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They ended up committing acts of domestic terrorism.

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 6:56 PM

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But don’t mention medicine
Don't worry. New canon fixed that

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I found it odd that the Sangheili disdained that kind of warfare; after all, the Covenant were bomb-happy during the war.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Everyone's got double-standards.

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Vadam keep is full of hillbillies.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Those were rural hillbilly Elites his opinion don’t represent all lol

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Everyone else is embarrassed by them

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Sangheili will treat you honourable if you're worthy of honour.

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Of course, part of that comes down to, y'know. What species you were born.

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How well you can fight back

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Spartan-III's life expectancy was less than a year, wasn't it?

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Just be really tenatious. Plenty of Sangheili like that

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Nah you just need to get fit and take those Sangheili Martial lessons

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Yeah, because being fit did UNSC Marines real well

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 6:59 PM

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I’ve seen plenty of Marines kill Elites soooooo

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Byzantine, if you tried to fight an Elite hand-to-hand on equal footing

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They would rip you in half

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And desecrate your corpse, probably, if they were from M'dama's lot

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 6:59 PM

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wude

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 7:00 PM

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uh

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That's Brute territory

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Obviously it’s the spirit and discipline that will get you in their good graces. If Grunts can be treated equal then so can Humans

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Well, grunts got that exoskeleton.

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And I wouldn't want to fight a grunt in hand-to-hand either.

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A UNSC Marine's greatest weapons are unity, teamwork, and SPNKRs.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:01 PM

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You could outrun that grunt boi though

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:01 PM

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High explosive - the great equalizer.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Or a Halo 2 Battle Rifle But whos counting

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Well that's where unity comes in

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Massed firepower from infantry weapons

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There's a delightful line in The Flood describing an Elite seeming to "wilt, fold, and fly apart" under sustained fire from multiple MA5Bs

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👍

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Man talking about Elites that Day at the Beach Elite always bothered me

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What kind of Minor has an energy Sword and active Camo while also commanding just 2 Grunt minors and a jackal sniper

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Real reason that scene got cut lol

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Storm Elite Minors got energy swords and camo.

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It could have been a special rank, though, with armor similar or identical to a Minor

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:12 PM

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All storm Elites can get Active Camo and an energy Sword but they also don’t abide by Covenant ranking at all like 0% sooo

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I mean just compare the Zealots, only similarity is name

spice hearth Oct 18, 2019, 7:13 PM

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if that were true why didnt they use them like all the time?

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:14 PM

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I said can get not did get. Play some of the Spartan Op missions and even Jackals get Camo

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Now as how the Madama Covenant can give Camo to even Jackals but has to give Plasma Pistols to even Zealots I don’t know.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Personal preference.

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I guess the zealot/s in question just like melting people with overcharged bolts.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Except they don’t actually use the Overcharge

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:31 PM

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They like having the option

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The latter point was just a hypothetical explanation

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There may be others

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I don't really know or care

humble yacht Oct 18, 2019, 7:32 PM

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You wouldn't catch a ceremonial zealot with a PP

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:32 PM

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It'd be inappropriate for a zealot to be messing around with a PP in ceremonial circumstances.

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That sort of behaviour is vulgar.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Nah theirs no logical reason to go in combat with Just a Plasma Pistol for a high Ranking Elite Combat oriented Elites But this is more a Gameplay then Lore Issue thankfully

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:33 PM

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I mean it's light and it's still gonna be able to kill humans nicely if they're not Spartans

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Don't make out like the very idea of it is inconceivable

humble yacht Oct 18, 2019, 7:33 PM

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i miss the ceremonial harness

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343pls

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:34 PM

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It is inconceivable cause your always a Spartan

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:34 PM

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But zealots do not always fight Spartans

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:34 PM

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They do when their deployed against you

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:34 PM

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But they are not always deployed against you

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A lot of the time Spartans catch their foes by surprise

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It happens frequently in Spartan Ops

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:35 PM

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Your not gotta convince me a Zealot would go in to a direct combat situation where he knows Spartans are at with a Plasma Pistol

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:35 PM

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I'm not trying to

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But I am saying that your hard n' fast stance smacks of false expertise and immaturity

humble yacht Oct 18, 2019, 7:36 PM

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oof

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shots fired

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Here we go again Looters but I’m not invested enough to argue with you again over a mostly gameplay issue in the lore section

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:37 PM

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👌

humble yacht Oct 18, 2019, 7:37 PM

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it's good not to get heated

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:38 PM

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I just think it's good to keep an open mind.

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For all things in life.

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And this is wisdom that I feel a duty to pass on.

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It's very easy to explain why things shouldn't be, but more fulfilling and useful to explain why they are 🙌

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No

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For some reason despite being incredibly superhumans capable of wearing armour that would tear a normal human apart

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Perceiving time slower in states of adrenaline

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Training and fighting together their entire lives

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For some reason no, they would not be good at volleyball

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 7:53 PM

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They wouldn't be good at it because they'd instinctively form up in defensive posture aroudn whoever has the ball.
They'd be MURDER at Richoet tho

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Most of them most likely. Anything involving a team.
They'd be ringers for baseball for sure (area perception, strength, ability to slow time for themselves), football (I mean...The Package, anyone?), soccer (same deal, assuming whoever was goaly didn't yeet the ball literally across the entire pitch)

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Golf?

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I think the golf club in Forge mode is confirmation of that

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Could I get the basics of the entire Halo story?

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Too basic

humble yacht Oct 18, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Asking someone to summarize all of halo for you is a bit unrealistic

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You’re better off looking up what you want to know on halo repositories like halopedia

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Or, of course, playing the games (that’s the best way to experience halo)

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:01 PM

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I don’t have all the games nor money to play it, all I want is the basics of the story really

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Halopedia. YouTube

unique rune Oct 18, 2019, 8:04 PM

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https://halopedia.org

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 8:07 PM

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The basics of "the story" would be too confusing unless you specify which story.

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Halo's storyline spans millions of years.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Long Time Ago their was a advanced race called the Foreunners who had to wipe out all life in the galaxy using weapons called Halo. Because a galactic sized parasite called the Flood couldn’t be defeated otherwise. Current time Humanity is being destroyed by a Group of Aliens called the Covenant who see Humanity as Heretics. Both sides stumble upon a Halo, our Hero is the Super Soldier Master Chief and his advanced AI Cortana. Now your all good for CE. Now play the game my Guy

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Not bad

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👏

last anchor Oct 18, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Thats pretty accurate, yeah

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Good use of phrasing for ambiguous bits.

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"the Flood couldn’t be defeated otherwise."

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I mean yeah, the mechanics of exactly how they died out in the story are a little vague

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But the wording you used is true and compelling

fair hazel Oct 18, 2019, 8:21 PM

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you mean storm elites? Not storm elite minors?

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 8:23 PM

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yeah

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Well, minors have been known to use energy swords on more occasions than the one that was specified.

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Honestly the idea that minors can't use energy swords seems like a poorly measured addition to the canon.

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It's an Encyclopedia tidbit, right?

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Which means it came well after Halo 2, 3 and Wars, all of which have blatant instances of minors with energy swords.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Where do Minors use Swords in 3 or Wars

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Cutscenes in Wars

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The intro, notably.

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Jumping over a barrier, with a dead Marine in the foreground.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 8:28 PM

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True you right

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:28 PM

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And in Halo 3 if I'm not mistaken some of the Elites that drop in can be minors with energy swords

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Though you may know more than me about that

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Theirs none in 3 that start with Swords.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Well, 2 and Wars then.

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 8:29 PM

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And yeah 2 has a random chance of 1 Elite Minor with an energy Sword on Delta Halo and Regret

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:30 PM

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So in light of that it just seems pretty pointless.

wintry coral Oct 18, 2019, 8:31 PM

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When you betray an Elite in H3 Campaign, they sometimes drop a Sword

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:31 PM

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I would've gone with only Elites who're in military service or have served being allowed to use them.

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Like, with the Covenant.

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Basically going hand in hand with the honorary "ee".

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The minors distinction on the other hand is just bizarre

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 8:31 PM

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But theirs no Normal Minors that use Active Camouflage in Halo CE-Reach. Halo Wars does but I dispute the Halo Wars Cutscene Elites

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Also Thel yeah that’s cause all Halo 3 Elites if they survive a grenade stick will Berserk and spawn a Sword.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:33 PM

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I maintain that active camo should be practicality-based.

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Like, the reason minors don't normally use it is because minors aren't normally put in covert situations.

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But if they are, then they should be.

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On the other hand with the energy swords

hasty locust Oct 18, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Yeah that’s what I thought

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:34 PM

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You'd think that any deed or circumstance that would elevate an Elite minor to being allowed to wield a sword would just let them become a major, right?

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 8:35 PM

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I mean Majors don’t normally use Swords Either

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Also it’s like why you trust Minors with a delicate stealth offense when that’s the Role of Stealth Elites. Juls Covenant doesn’t bother me at all cause their not the Covenant

remote spruce Oct 18, 2019, 8:37 PM

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do elites in 3 pull out swords? i swear they did but dunno

stable schooner Oct 18, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Throw a flame grenade at one of your Elites and he’ll pull out a sword. Every Elite in 3 has Swords as a Berserk Weapon But they don’t come equipped with them nor can they survive to use them without skulls

remote spruce Oct 18, 2019, 8:38 PM

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oh skulls

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Halo needs more berserk weapons

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Have a marine go berserk

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Pull out a machete

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"I'll take you all on!"

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Loud Chips Dubbo swearing

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Wild swinging

deep pewter Oct 18, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Doesn’t he also die in all of those games too thinkingchief

hasty locust Oct 18, 2019, 8:49 PM

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He got off with stacker

proud quail Oct 18, 2019, 8:53 PM

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same pelican johnson took, obviously

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Johnson took a different pelican which was explained in the First Strike Novel.

hasty locust Oct 18, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Well he wasn’t solo

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He had at least stacker with him

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It’s yah not been confirmed nor denied

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Lol

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Kay Ghost of Onyx is on top tier list

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Just finished it

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Might just cry

feral perch Oct 18, 2019, 10:05 PM

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It’s really good

proud quail Oct 18, 2019, 10:05 PM

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imagine crying because some characters go missing

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but yeah it was a real tearjerker

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Im gonna try the cole protocol next

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Any good?

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Just keep in mind that the Elites there don't exactly represent all of them in regards to cultural practices.

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 10:21 PM

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We don't know

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above our understanding

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 10:21 PM

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neural-

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 10:21 PM

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don't

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say

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it

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god dang it

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Neural Physics!

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 10:21 PM

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eyy

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Hard light, alternatively spelled hard-light or hardlight[2] and more formally identified as a boson-photon field,[3] is a Forerunner technology that allows light to be transformed into a solid state, capable of bearing weight and performing a variety of tasks. This involves an as-yet unexplained interplay between coherent, high-energy light and gas particles, such as air.

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or called magic

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https://www.halopedia.org/Hard_light

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No

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It's an as-yet unexplained interplay between coherent, high-energy light and gas particles, such as air.

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If anyone has a question you don't know how to answer, just say Neural Physics

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I hate that

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Ostrals favorite saying i stg

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 10:23 PM

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lol

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 10:24 PM

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they think it, it happens

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idk

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Neural Physics

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That’s why Donk

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Lol

stoic hamlet Oct 18, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Don’t question it.

gilded mason Oct 18, 2019, 10:25 PM

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It just works™

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2019, 10:25 PM

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It relates to the neural pathways within your brain (Neural physics, that is)

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 10:26 PM

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arbiter

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Neural Physics

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that's how

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No, but really it's just for gameplay

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The Elite's camo module probably isn't.

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But that's fair enough.

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yes

proud quail Oct 18, 2019, 10:33 PM

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that just sounds like human evolution

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we picked up the first rock and the first thing we did with it was kill our brother out of jealousy

fair hazel Oct 18, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Forerunner weapons are useer reactive

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Also Cortana updated his firmware and stuff to help interact with other tech

proud quail Oct 18, 2019, 10:33 PM

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if it works, it works

fair hazel Oct 18, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Such as abilities

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And he’s felcismer anyways

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Reclaimed

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 10:42 PM

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I mean spart_n

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That's what the bible said we did

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As in

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Bit of a second hand source

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Basically why have you suddenly turned into Makarov narrating a MW2 trailer

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Quit being so pessimistic, the odds are there was no real first time we ever picked up a rock

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Because that would mean identifying the exact point in time humans came into existence

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Which would be difficult

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Since it's a bit of a spectrum

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But if there was a clearly identifiable first time we picked up a rock it was probably just to feel it

fair hazel Oct 18, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Oh yeah I don’t one being tagged

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I didn’t find passage of spartan getting in the heart.

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A search for heart did not reveal that to me

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Geas

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Hard light Bridge halo ce

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You don’t know e we hat head are?

versed helm Oct 18, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Anyone else want to yeet a shell from a scorpion tank

fair hazel Oct 18, 2019, 11:06 PM

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What geas are!

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What?

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Genetic commands and Info

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 12:16 AM

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I don’t like this dragon ball z like recap in hunters in the dark

hasty locust Oct 19, 2019, 12:24 AM

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You are frozen

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EVERYTHING IS FROZEN

unique rune Oct 19, 2019, 12:29 AM

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Think of it as... sorta like when you refrigerate food to keep it from going bad.

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Lower temperatures slow cellular activity, so what cryosleep does is bring it to a near-halt.

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Which then slows down aging processes.

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Does anyone else remember the Energy Sword exploding in the original Halo CE?

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 12:38 AM

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maybe not exploding

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 12:39 AM

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No, it exploded

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Come on, guys

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It did!

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 12:39 AM

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but it deactivated in a dramatic way

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Oh for god's sake, not again

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 12:39 AM

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I mean if the model disappeared, then it might as well be blown up

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 12:39 AM

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I remember being so weirded out when it just deactivated in Anniversary

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It made a small plasma detonation

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I hope this isn't another Mandela effect thing. Please, not Halo, too

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 12:41 AM

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i vaguely recall the Anniversary graphics having a more subdued VFX for the sword

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 12:42 AM

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It just dissipated, yeah. Making a Ssh-shh! sound

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But the original went Baafp!

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I always remember telling my brother to look out for them. Same goes for the fuel rod, which thank god still does it

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I just chalked this up as being part of the poor Gearbox-port treatment, as odd as it was to affect the gameplay elements

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 12:46 AM

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oh you mean actual explosion

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i thought you were referring to the aesthetic

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nah the energy sword never had that, probably confusion over a stuck elite

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 12:47 AM

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I played a lot of OG Xbox CE back in the day as we all did, and I also remember there being no explosion.

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But I did keep away from it anyway.

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So who knows.

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 12:49 AM

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all i can remember about OG CE is me getting lost

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wait this happened in Anniversary too
dangit

fair hazel Oct 19, 2019, 1:00 AM

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Refers to dead man switch?

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:01 AM

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It makes so much more sense for it to explode, and it did it over and over again whenever there was a Zealot

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It's a much better explanation for not being able to use them, too

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They still disappear

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Just not explosively

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I was in the space-time continuum when they did

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Like visually it looks like a bit of an explosion, and I assume that's supposed to represent the shaped plasma escaping the containment field, but I'm not sure it's lethal to player.

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It could take down your shields if you were too close

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there are even more recent novels where generator packs on sangheili that power certain abilities also do the same

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That's freaky. I spoke to someone else on another server and they remember it, too

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Is there anything an energy sword cant cut through?

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 1:20 AM

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The ce energy sword did vanish in a flash of plasma. As for it being deadly I sont believe so.

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Another energy sword

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Or hardlight

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Oh yeah hard light

unique rune Oct 19, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Won't cut through anything with a high enough melting point.

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 1:31 AM

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I would think it can cut forerunner alloy seeing as.plasma can damage the stuff

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 1:35 AM

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I went to a bookstore to check Glasslands for a source, since I no longer own the book. I confirmed the source, but I was also reminded how bad that book could be. Traviss really makes a character compare Halsey to Stalin.

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 1:39 AM

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And they compare her journal to Mein Kampf.

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 1:42 AM

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bleh

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just bleh

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:44 AM

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Though tbh

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Traviss is a good writer

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 1:44 AM

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And even then, everything she did, she did with the approval of ONI. And even then, they thought she was too nice.

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Like I'm reading Aspho Fields (a Gears of War book) and it is actually brilliant

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And like I do need to re-read the Kilo 5 books

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Do you, though?

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:46 AM

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But the only thing I really remember being outlandish is when she makes Halsey lie to Naomi

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Like, the ODSTs I can actually understand

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For one, ODSTs are just grunts.

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Though don't they also learn about SIIIs as well, and just shrug?

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Like I don't mean to be disparaging towards soldiers in general - I aspire to be one - but they're not paid to think.

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And these soldiers are ODSTs. Hardcore. Die-hard. To do what they do, you gotta believe in the UNSC.

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You gotta see it as something worth dying for.

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 1:47 AM

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And even Halsey in her inner monologue misremembers events to have them be in a worse light.

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:48 AM

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And frankly if I were an ODST and I found out that the UNSC had been up to no good in such a shocking way, I'd probably be pretty miffed.

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As for the way Halsey remembers stuff? It's just guilt.

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I mean, I remember Glasslands taking Halsey's perspective quite frequently.

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And she's not going "oh look how evil I'm very evil"

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She's looking back and questioning her own actions

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And if you ask me, that shows she ain't that bad after all.

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But what Traviss did - and once again I do need to re-read Kilo 5 - is begin to show consequences.

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Up to Kilo 5, the story was that Halsey did her thing, made killing machines and accidentally saved the human race from a big obvious threat instead of the insidious, looming one she was aiming at.

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Now, we see the guilt that those actions caused and the repercussions of those it affected.

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I have a confession still havent played CE or 2

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I don't see it as "Halsey's actually a terrible person".

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 1:51 AM

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@versed helmHERETIC! HERETIC!

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Halsey was miffed at Jorge because he made his armor make him look like an absolute unit, why was that? Like why was she upset Jorge customized his Mjolnir?
Think this was before huge customization stuff was later retconned into the norm.

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 1:51 AM

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She could of just simply been proud of her own design to

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 1:51 AM

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That works too

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:52 AM

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I shall don the arbiters mantle for my transgressions

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Well I mean, CE is my undisputed favourite game of all time

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It looks really fun

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CE i mean

sudden shuttle Oct 19, 2019, 1:53 AM

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2 is really fun.

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:53 AM

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It's a bit different from what we have now

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And it's certainly pretty simple

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But it's a fun time

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 1:53 AM

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@versed helm

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:53 AM

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They honestly all are even 5 is fun to a degree

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 1:53 AM

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@versed helm The library enough said

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:54 AM

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That's a good meme

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 1:55 AM

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I still find it funny when I 1st got the game I thought I had missed the previous one

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Certainly one of.

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I dunno if it was the first though

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Sorry to bring this back up once more, I only just finally found it. Here was what I was thinking of regarding Halsey and the clones, just as a reference:

She could have said that years ago. “About what in particular?”
“Cloning.”
“You knew about that.”
“Not until years later.”```

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 1:59 AM

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What's the problem?

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Parangosky was trying to say she never knew about the clones until years later.

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No idea. Several years, at least.

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:02 AM

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It varies.

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Like, basically flash clones are human beings that are just way more vulnerable to dying.

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Theoretically you could have a clone who lives a normal life. Maybe. If they're very, very lucky.

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Yeah

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 2:10 AM

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the spiderman pointing meme but one of them is in a wheelchair

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:10 AM

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That's what the bible said we did
As in
Bit of a second hand source```

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i mean, second hand or not, it's a perfect analogy, whether you like the source or not

last anchor Oct 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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I guess yeah

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Well I mean you weren't using it as an analogy

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You were like

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Paraphrasing

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"Figures Chief would immediately pick up and know how to use a Promethean weapon since it's in human nature"

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Citing Cain and Able as an example in a direct fashion

grim quiver Oct 19, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Hey, can anyone provide as much lore as possible for the insurrection, before the events of reach? Its always been a fascinating part of halo lore and wanted to work on a project based around it. Please dm me with articles or links of kind of major events around the insurrection. Thank you.

young glen Oct 19, 2019, 2:13 AM

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You will face the High prophets for your crimes against the Covenant.

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:14 AM

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@grim quiver

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Hey dude

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Hey

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Got something that'll blow your freakin' mind

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https://www.halopedia.org/Insurrection

young glen Oct 19, 2019, 2:14 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Insurrection

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:15 AM

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also to address something about halo renegeades, youch did i really misremember something

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there was a needler firefight alright

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and it ended up in someone's chest alright

grim quiver Oct 19, 2019, 2:15 AM

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And outside of that? Like books or something?

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:15 AM

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The needle missed her chest and slammed into the soft flesh of her shoulder, tearing out the back, lodging in the chest of a merc behind her, where it exploded. He dropped to the ground, dead.

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Contact Harvest is the book that handles the Insurrection most directly.

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:16 AM

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so big oof on my part there

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:16 AM

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The Cole Protocol is another big one.

young glen Oct 19, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Why were they rebelling?

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:16 AM

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the innies wanted outies

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:17 AM

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The outer colonies were settled by disenfranchised people who were opposed to the UEG from the get-go and quickly got nationalist.

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:17 AM

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@stoic hamlet @fair hazel but yeah super my bad on that part

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Basically, what happened was a self-perpetuating cycle

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The outer colonies would move to becoming less like resource outposts and more like independant states

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The UNSC would shore up security

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Then it all boiled over the the innies started bombing inner colonies to make a point

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:18 AM

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wasnt there something related to tax too

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:18 AM

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I do hope more stuff gets written about this to get a more nuanced view of it.

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:18 AM

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and just being treated unfairly by the UEG

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Yeah, basically. The outer colonies didn't exist to turn a profit for those living on them.

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They existed to fuel Earth and the inner colonies.

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So the "trade" was very one-sided.

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:19 AM

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basically the rebellion of every colonial island in the 1800-1900 hundreds

young glen Oct 19, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Someone was talking about this yesterday, but did the Gravemind from Halo 2and 3 die? Anyone have real answer and not a theory

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Yeah, it did.

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:20 AM

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i think halo wars 2 confirmed he's dead with the proto gravemind DLC

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:20 AM

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It ain't surviving a Halo pulse.

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Though once a new Gravemind pops up, he'll be "back"

young glen Oct 19, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Did any flood stay on Delta Halo?

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Probably

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:21 AM

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now aint that a question

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Yeah. The SoS were taking care of them

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:21 AM

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the SoS are on Delta Halo?

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Both the ring and the Coelest System at large were quarantined after the war, and as of 2558, UNSC and Swords of Sanghelios ships patrol the region.

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:22 AM

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huh

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:22 AM

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And
Under the command of 'Vadum, the remnants of the Sangheili fleet sterilized the installation by glassing the Flood-infected portions of its surface, thereby preventing the parasite from leaving the Coelest system.

young glen Oct 19, 2019, 2:23 AM

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So did the giant grave mind we saw in Halo 2 put himself on High Charity? He seemed pretty embedded in Delta Halo

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Yeah, he did.

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Maybe he teleported himself.

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Maybe

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 2:23 AM

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he came down on that one ship

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gravemind arent static

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Seems to be the most likely option. Given the control he had over 05's transit systems.

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Maybe he parked high charity nearby and loaded himself on in pieces

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The teleport option is pretty likely tho

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We saw that HC was already in range

fair hazel Oct 19, 2019, 2:30 AM

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tadaaaaa

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:31 AM

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The next question would be how he found a space big enough to contain him on HC

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How did he avoid teleporting into walls

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Well, if a bit of him got merged with a wall it probably wouldn't be the end of the world xD

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I'm guessing he just found a well-protected courtyard of some kind somewhere

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HC isn't exactly small

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He probably found a big open space for his core and the rest of him just expanded through the corridors.

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Always figured a part of him was on the clad and he just continued from there

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 2:41 AM

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Why did we never see the monitor of the ark

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In 3

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:41 AM

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He was hiding during Halo 3.

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Because he saw what happened to Alpha and delta

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Yeah.

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 2:42 AM

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I don’t even remember what happened to 343 in ce

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:42 AM

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He flies away

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 2:42 AM

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He teleported off the autumn

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Oh yea you fight him

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 2:43 AM

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F for Penitent Tangent

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 2:43 AM

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Benedict mias

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:43 AM

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What do you think happened to tangent

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Did the gravemind take him along to HC

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 2:43 AM

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Wort is tangent

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Penitent tangent

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Is that from delta halo

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Yes

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Monitor of installation 05

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:44 AM

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You meet him in the Gravemind cutscene

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:44 AM

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The laziest light bulb

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Yea

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What is a sermon

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 2:44 AM

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I think he would since a monitor is useful to have but surviving the High Charity Explosion Plus 04 Ring Explosion I don’t know know

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:44 AM

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I mean

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Spark’s chassis survived 3 direct hits from a splasher

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 2:45 AM

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If he was alive shouldn’t he have escaped during Awakening the Nightmare

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Maybe his systems had been comprised to the point where mobility was no longer an option

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What if he’s just sitting in a mound of dead flesh

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Hoping for someone to come get him

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 2:47 AM

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I wouldn’t call that lazy he did contain the flood to one area for Thousands of Years. That’s better then 343 Guilty Spark

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:48 AM

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He didn’t

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His sentinels did

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He ignored his duties and that allowed the flood to break out

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Then he let himself get captured

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Who ordered the Sentinels to build the wall then

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:48 AM

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No one

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It was a default response

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Then how did the 04 flood with an enemy Monitor spread faster then the 05 flood

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05 flood broke containment somehow

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 2:51 AM

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04 Flood had sentient hosts to feast on.

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:51 AM

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04’s outbreak never reached a gravemind stage

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 2:52 AM

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The 05 Flood's outbreak is a mystery.

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Besides even if tangent ordered the wall created, he still ignored the warnings of a pending outbreak

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Exactly no Gravemind but came closer to taking over the ring in days then the 05 flood did in thousands of years

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 2:52 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Installation_05_containment_failure_report

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Lol they called the ark

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“Send help, boss is lazy”

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XD

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 2:54 AM

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That's great

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Never mind then Tangent is peak Rampant trash but I still like him. Spark goofed by letting the Covenant even go to the containment faculty

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 2:57 AM

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To be fair thecovenant and human forces helped extremely well with 04

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In fact if they weren’t there would the outbreak even have started

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Afaik it began from fighting and some parasites being released from stuff being broken

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Spark let them in though. He should have did what the Ark did and attack these foreign trespasses

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 2:59 AM

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But the humans are the reclaimed

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Reclaimers

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 2:59 AM

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So why not attack the Covenant who are killing reclaimers then

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 2:59 AM

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The sentinels were i thought

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:00 AM

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The Covenant were there in fleet-force, though. To be fair.

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:00 AM

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They attack you in 2 as the arbiter

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:00 AM

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And the Covenant would absolutely be accustomed to smashing sentinels.

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:00 AM

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N’tho tho

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Different ring Frikerf, those Sentinels attacked all lifeforms who trespassed on the wall

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:01 AM

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I don’t think they ever attacked the humans

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Or is implied they did

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Idk

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You never even fight humans

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 3:01 AM

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They attack the Humans to. Ever notice how the Human Pelican during “Friendly Competition” is shooting at the Sentinels

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:01 AM

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Apparently Sangheili can die in 45 degree heat lol

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:01 AM

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What mission

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Well to be fair so can you

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 3:02 AM

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Quarantine Zone. Human Pelican with a Scorpion flies past you

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:02 AM

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Yeah because earth's surface temp doesn't range between

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~0-95 degrees Celsius, unlike Sangheilios

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Wot

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Theirs also a squad of marines during the “they are not Covenant line” fighting flood and Sentinels

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:03 AM

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let me double check

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:03 AM

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They get killed by the flood I always assumed

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Nope their alive until you past a kill trigger. You can see them if you go right

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Yea implying they were killed by the flood and assimilated

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:04 AM

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@sonic ridge -5 to 96 degrees celcius, to be precise. Sangheili fight in those temps at 1.375 gravitates, but for some reason their endurance can't sustain half that temp

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in some other books

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well, one

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 3:05 AM

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That aside the Sentinel faction is set Hostile to the UNSC. Not implied if you can see it Frikerf

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Just because parts of a planet are that hot doesn’t mean they can survive there

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There’s lots of places we can’t survive in on our planet

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And alright

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 3:06 AM

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The Sentinel Wall Sentinels only goal is to prevent the Flood from escaping. All who interfere with that are Enemies . It’s like the Sentinels in Halo Wars 1

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:06 AM

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Except when you look at Earth's range, it's no higher than 38 celcius. Of course it can get higher than that, but it's heavily implied that Sangheili can sustain those peak temps

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45 just sounds way too low for them

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Also given they are reptilians

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:08 AM

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They aren’t cold blooded tho

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Are you sure/

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one sec

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Yes

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They aren’t cold blooded

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And while lizards need warmth they can die in too hot a condition

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I imagine 45 Celsius would be extremely hot for some lizards

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Or bordering on not very good

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38 isn’t the highest temp we get on earth ether

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:12 AM

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I know that, that's not what I was saying. I'm just pointing out that 38 is not even in the border of hypothermia for humans, and naturally one would expect a Sangheili to behave similar on their own planet when it comes to those ranges - especially given the climates they thrive in

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Besides, I think certain writers, as good as they are, really don't do justice for the abilities of Sangheili - considering these are among the species that can take on Spartans and Armigers in close combat and win

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:14 AM

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I mean 38 is like the start of hyperthermia

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:14 AM

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45

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Curious where this even came from

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:14 AM

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No

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:15 AM

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okay nvm

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you're right

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Yea

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Don't know where I got 45 from

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:15 AM

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From the Sangheili

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Just a bit of crossing by mistake

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But a human would die with an internal temp of 45

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Right, right. 45 is what was lethal to them Which is strange, since that's half of what's the peak on their planet

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Well think about it the Sangheili have a very similar structure to humans

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Well, as Frik said, we have a lot of inhospitable places as well.

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Got things like an extra heart sure

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But it’s all like same flesh different skin kinda

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Where'd ya find the 45 degree thing, anyway?

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:17 AM

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I don’t think it’s weird for an alien race to have only a slightly higher resistance to heat

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Because like what can you really do about heat you can’t take your skin off to cool down

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 3:17 AM

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@gilded mason One of Troy's novels

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:18 AM

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You can put extra layers in for cold

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Or just be a Sangheili and not care that it’s cold

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Does the arbiter even wear anything else other than the armour in 3

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Like a body suit or anything

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Dis bigboi going to like -10 c in metal armour

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Of course he wears a body suit

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That's why he has blue lines.in his body in halo 2

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:19 AM

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In halo 2 yea but I forgot if he had it on 3

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The anniversary body suit looks amazing too

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When you active camo and see all the bumps on it

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 3:21 AM

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Same I love Arbiters suit in H2A. Real Knight of the Covenant

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Liked the ranger arbiter from the tamed hunters

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 3:24 AM

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That looked sick as well. Always cool to see Variations of the Arbiter Armor

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Yea

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Wonder what ever happened to him

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:29 AM

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He got eaten by the 🅱ravemind

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 3:29 AM

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I guess he either died in battle, or lived in fame.

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 3:29 AM

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I think contact harvest claimed he died, but that's clearly not the case with the terminal

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Every Friday night it turns into a ravemind

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Think we will ever be shown the covenant wet navy?

young glen Oct 19, 2019, 4:52 AM

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The Forerunners weren't that smart of a race. I mean they killed everything in the universe to stop the Flood, yet left some in vats to study.

unique rune Oct 19, 2019, 4:58 AM

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I mean.

They left the Flood behind for study to try and figure out if there were alternative solutions to wiping the galaxy clean of life.

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Makes perfect sense.

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Well, that was part of the issue with the Forerunners’ interpretation of the Mantle.

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The Forerunners were smart, but their arrogance clouded their judgement.

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In their quest to subjugate all other sentient life in the galaxy, in the name of upholding the Mantle, they left those other species underprepared and unequipped for dealing with the Flood.

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 5:27 AM

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The number of research facilities is what doesn’t make sense to me.

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Well there were billions of life workers alone let alone trillions of For runners

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Sentinel spam doesn't work well either

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 5:29 AM

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They likely just had various labs in different parts of the Galaxy

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 5:37 AM

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No reason A Ring plus the gas mine hovering over it needs a research facility though imo.

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 5:38 AM

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The mine makes sense

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Harder for Flood to bail

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The ring not so much

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Sums up my thoughts

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 5:48 AM

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One became as lab, the other a controlled environment

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Having a Lab filled with your enemy on the only Weapon you can defeat that enemy with is so illogical I don’t think the dumbest humans would actually do it.

sonic ridge Oct 19, 2019, 12:25 PM

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The problem is they left flood behind to research and then wiped out all sentient life meaning no sentient life would be able to research it

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 12:38 PM

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The monitors conduct the research on the rings but who monitored the gas station?

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 12:45 PM

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They shouldve eradicated what was left of the flood on the rings before firing. But then again if the flood didnt exist humanity probably would've lost the war

humble yacht Oct 19, 2019, 12:52 PM

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When the flood first appeared, it ravaged ancient humans before disappearing out of the galaxy. Then 10,000 years later the flood returned. The forerunners kept flood research stations because they wanted to be prepared in case more flood come from outside the galaxy

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 12:55 PM

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They be spooky parasite bois

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:49 PM

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And also, when it comes to the Flood

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No matter how you wipe them out

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This type of thing https://youtu.be/vP7zbL7dAjs?t=508 is always a risk.

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Like, a Halo pulse will kill their intelligence and you can burn away the rest with sentinels and solvent and whatever, but it's extremely difficult to be sure you got every last infection form.

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I've always been very partial to the theory that the Flood still litter our galaxy in the form of what are more-or-less existential landmines. Just a few small, hidden holdouts here or there, waiting for a species of sufficient complexity to trigger the pressure plate so they can spread throughout the galaxy like shrapnel. The outbreak on the outside of Etran Harbourage is one such potential example, though granted the origins of that instance are shrouded in mystery.

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Though of course, this relates more to why the Forerunners kept samples of the Flood on the Halo installations after finally "defeating" them, which truth be told is probably just about the safest place you can keep them.

hasty locust Oct 19, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Safest place to keep them

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IS NOT KEEPING THEM

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stupid forerunners

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:57 PM

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There's a clear and present risk of the Flood returning from outside the boundaries of the galaxy, of course, but that's not the only place they can come from, and quicker an ascendant humanity can familiarize itself with the threat, the more prepared they'll be. Of course, it does seem like the Forerunners were a little careless with their specimens, but they also probably weren't expecting fleets of misguided fools with powerful weaponry to tear open their vaults looking for relics.

hasty locust Oct 19, 2019, 2:57 PM

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True

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 2:57 PM

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There's no indication that the human race has ever made mistakes like those the Covenant made on 04, though failures in monitors and such like what happened on 05 are just another existential Flood landmine.

amber valley Oct 19, 2019, 2:58 PM

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In a terminal cutscene Spark talked about how after the forerunner-flood war there was a huge discussion on whether to destroy the last flood samples or keep them, and they almost made it so, but the Librarian was the one who convinced them to keep the samples for study

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Sooo this popped into my lap today from some lore peeps. Thought it may inspire a lil conversation thats a lil different. https://www.instagram.com/p/BzEFZHJBa8B/?igshid=889zxq3pln7n

Instagram

Jon Goff on Instagram: “FLASHBACK: More OLD Halo Art. Drew these...

46 Likes, 2 Comments - Jon Goff (@jon_goff) on Instagram: “FLASHBACK: More OLD Halo Art. Drew these while writing Headhunters for Halo: Evolutions. Jonah and…”

hasty locust Oct 19, 2019, 4:49 PM

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SPI right

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 4:49 PM

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That is quite the visor design.

vernal latch Oct 19, 2019, 4:51 PM

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How did the flood remain on the outside of the Shield World in Halo Wars? Also how did the covenant not discover them entering it? And what did they sustain off of?

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Well the Covies discovered the shield world a few years prior to Halo Wars 1. If the Flood were there prior they did pretty well holding the Flood off for only a Proto-Gravemind to form.

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And that certainly is some "SPI" designs Ostral.

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Not a fan of the visor design or the gun, but mmmm, SPI.

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Well I will say. Jonah surviving. Thats certainly a interesting direction.

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Description if you don't like Instagram:
`FLASHBACK: More OLD Halo Art. Drew these while writing Headhunters for Halo: Evolutions.

Jonah and Roland. Two heroes who may’ve also been psychopaths. Someday I’ll tell you the story of how Jonah’s not dead (just in need of saving, healing and a few new limbs)...and the massacre that follows.`

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 5:26 PM

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@humble yachtdidnt old spark may he oversaw the convwr as uon of the station. To a lab? I assume he watched it remoetely somehow with some sub program

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 5:47 PM

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First flood Mission, oh hey Brutes where you’ve been, never show up again.

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 5:50 PM

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You know I am kinda suprised Halo Wars never made use of AI partners in campaign. That would of allowed for Brutes easily.

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Crazy when every other RTS Campaign does that but yeah you spend all Campaign fighting the Regret Leader Faction. I don’t think Arbiters units ever show up

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 5:53 PM

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I am refering to more the enemy AI side of things.

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Where as Byzantine said its "mostly" Regret stuff. If Ripa was used, his stuff was heavily restricted.

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And that there is no "enemy AI tag team" on you.

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You never see the Covie alt Blue in campaign.

proud quail Oct 19, 2019, 8:36 PM

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im sorry

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jonah's WHAT

last anchor Oct 19, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Word of god from the writer apperently.
I heard him say it in real life too when I Saw him at ECCC years ago.

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Tbf on him. Did we see a body?

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 8:59 PM

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It would have been incinerated

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No way he lived

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Like you all know I’d love it if he did, but no way

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Again did we see a body. ;) I mean a lot could have happened off-page

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 9:01 PM

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I swear to god, lol

fair hazel Oct 19, 2019, 9:01 PM

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#jonahlives

last anchor Oct 19, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Im down for it.

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:02 PM

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*I aint saying its likely. But if the writer himself believes there is an opening. Then I am seriously up for it seeing as he must have a way in mind for the survival.

fair hazel Oct 19, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Maybe he had a fireproof blanket

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Depending when it happened. Maybe the Bubble grenade was used

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 9:04 PM

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The only way I could see it is if he was out of the blast radius

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:05 PM

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*Bubble grenade = The Starry Night bubble shield.

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 9:06 PM

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How is he supposed to hold and arm the grenade with one hand holding the detonated?

merry viper Oct 19, 2019, 9:06 PM

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RIP Telecam

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 9:07 PM

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carmine sleet Oct 19, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Given that Chief was able to prime and use a bubble grenade in Starry Night, I think anyone would be able to, Eternal

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 9:09 PM

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But he was being held by one of the Silent Shadow.

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IIRC one hand was broken and limp by his side, the other held the detonater.

Unless you’re telling me he used a broken hand to prime and arm the bubble grenade (Which I don’t remember them having) I’mma need to call BS

last anchor Oct 19, 2019, 9:13 PM

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No, he survived simply through sheer grit.
He's an S-III. Even before Gamma, they were hard to kill.
Sheer RAGE kept them going.

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Oh I know

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But still

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That seems absurd, even for an Alpha/Beta III

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I’m not opposed to him surviving, I just don’t know how he can with the scenario presented here

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 9:22 PM

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unreliable narrator? Mission report was falsified?

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Actually I was just looking though Headhunters (both versions) again.

The book version ends with everything going white.
The motion comic ends with him dropping the detonator and a stylistic flame on his visor.

None actually show him dead or dying.

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So in a writing perspective. I do say that indeed does leave room for Jonah to like... survive.

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 9:32 PM

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If the implication is that the everything going white isn’t the flash from the explosion but instead a gimmicky cliffhanger as the reason he doesn’t die I’ll be even more opposed to him living.

last anchor Oct 19, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Its the explosion. He's just not close enough to it and the Elite shields him.
Hes like Deejay Condut in THG, getting shielded from the Capitol's bombs by Primrose Everdeen's body.

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Except even ANGRIER than Deejay was

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Also a supersoldier

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Might’ve he just been joking?

last anchor Oct 19, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Maybe. Maybe not. Remember Forge was gonna survive in an early HW2 script

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Here I thought he died all these years, kinda ruins the ending for me.

fair hazel Oct 19, 2019, 9:40 PM

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I thought forge was going to be brought back at some point I think

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 9:41 PM

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delet all of dis

last anchor Oct 19, 2019, 9:41 PM

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He was. But then Ensemble followed him into the void

fair hazel Oct 19, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Wat

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Well I think during halo wars 2 I thought he’d have shown up. Or even in renegades hehe

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Or before

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I think

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Well ye know. This isnt a Noble 6 scenario where 343i has said countless times the character is outright dead. ;)

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Jonah is in that limbo scenario weirdly now

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If there is no body. How can we say they are dead.

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 9:43 PM

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I wouldntmind him alive, but how the others would not survive

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:43 PM

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How do we know others didnt survive?

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*Refering about Jonah and the Elites.

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Wouldn't that defeat the emtire.plot of the book?

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 9:44 PM

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One has to kill the othe

last anchor Oct 19, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Most of the stuff in both of the complication books is limbo

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Except maybe the Mona Lisa crew, we KNOW they're dead

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 9:44 PM

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The only way, hypothetically

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:45 PM

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At the very least we saw most of the Elites engulfed in the motion comic. Jonah is the only one we didnt see get that fate.

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The motion comic is the furthest we get.

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Now just cause we didnt see doesnt mean he wasnt engulfed mind you.

stoic hamlet Oct 19, 2019, 9:46 PM

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He could have gotten out of that, even if he survived the explosion, is for the assault of the other Spartan III’s to get to him and retrieve him, but the implication from the book is that said assault isn’t for a few more days.

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 9:46 PM

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this is like, ignoring author's intent, then the author suggests it too, which makes half of us assume it's author's headcanon, which may eventually become a story

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Well atm it is author headcanon. But I'd like to think it has a "lil" merit.

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Still an odd thinh either way

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Still fun to discuss ;)

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I mean this convos are why I brought it up. :D

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 9:48 PM

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I want to see James-005 brought back before any Spartan-III

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:49 PM

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James. The og MIA Spartan-II.

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 9:49 PM

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@obsidian thistleagreed, I do love these types

last anchor Oct 19, 2019, 9:49 PM

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RIP in spess

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 9:49 PM

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It would be great to see James again, man.

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Still, it kinda.feels.like xytan being confirmed alive

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Whixh book was he Confirmed atomized in?

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Ghosts of Onyx heavily implies that Xytan Jar 'Watinree died because of a NOVA bomb

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 9:52 PM

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At that time one could argue he wa.not present on the carrier

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Considering that he hasn't emerged in any post-war conflict... Well, I suppose he might lead a Covenant faction in Infinite if he did survive.

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Well I did a lil research. Turns out his lead ship went boom around the same time as the Battle of I04. Seeing as the Cycles and Units match.

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 9:53 PM

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I actually would like it if he did live.

remote spruce Oct 19, 2019, 9:53 PM

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wait 04?

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 9:54 PM

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@obsidian thistlehuh? He died at the outset of the schism

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Do you mean 05, CIA?

terse lava Oct 19, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Likely

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Voro has arrived from battling brutes and flood for xytan's meeting

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Well it seems there is an oddity

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The Seventh Cycle, 49 Units happens both in Chapter 7 in The Flood. And Chapter 27 in Ghosts of Onyx.

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Which unless the Grunt who activated the NOVA spent over a month to activate the NOVA. Is a lil odd

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Unless... hmmm

feral perch Oct 19, 2019, 10:04 PM

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I knew Covenant timekeeping was wonky.

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Covie Battle Calendars restart every campaign?

last anchor Oct 19, 2019, 10:07 PM

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Wouldnt surprise me

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Or each unit has their own, rather than a unified one

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 10:40 PM

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innies out

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 10:58 PM

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@terse lava “Blasted Infidel! Your worlds deserve to Burn” Halo 2 Elites full time savage

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Gosh, that Elite is kinda acting like a jerk.

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Marines in a Warthog were pounding on him, so he taunted them and then jacked the driver

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 11:00 PM

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madlad

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Sadly though Bigger Hitboxes mean the Elite lost the turret fight to the other Warthog, Dang Op Marines plz nerf

gilded mason Oct 19, 2019, 11:01 PM

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i cri

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 11:47 PM

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When Thrallslayer doesn’t even have a name

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Well you capitalized that, didn't ya?

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Titles can also be capitalized

versed helm Oct 19, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Yes, yes, I know. I was just saying.

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If we only know him as Thrallslayer, it's probably because that's what he goes by.

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Its better than what we had previously. Which also was better than nothing.

stable schooner Oct 19, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Classic Halo Wars 1 for ya but that is indeed better then nothing

spiral jewel Oct 20, 2019, 12:13 AM

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This is probably a frequently asked question, but how many people know what S-117's last name is

lapis moat Oct 20, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Mr Halo

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:30 AM

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Halsey knows, absolutely certainly.

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So does Cortana.

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In fact, Cortana knowing Chief's surname is something the Warden Eternal taunts him with in Halo 5.

lapis moat Oct 20, 2019, 12:31 AM

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@versed helm Really? Didn't hear that

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:31 AM

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And anyone with access to incredibly classified ONI documents could also hypothetically know.

gilded mason Oct 20, 2019, 12:31 AM

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I'm not sure what the point of that taunt was.

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Well, my immediate take was that Warden had something akin to jealousy.

spiral jewel Oct 20, 2019, 12:32 AM

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I was figuring Halsey, Cortana, maybe Locke, and probably that Benjamin person that's locked up in midnight facility might know John's surname

feral perch Oct 20, 2019, 12:32 AM

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It was all a show, to get Chief pitted against the Warden, and ideally on Cortana’s side.

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:32 AM

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But it manifested as protectiveness - he thought that Cortana would be better off without Chief, or so he was undermining Chief's perspective.

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He wanted to make Chief feel betrayed, was the vibe I got. Or as if he didn't know Cortana as well as he thought he did.

lapis moat Oct 20, 2019, 12:33 AM

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I think the Warden was actually mocking the player, laughing at them for hunting the truth

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:33 AM

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At the time I remember thinking to myself "hey, that's pretty clever writing".

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I did often the first time I played Halo 5 because I was fairly determined to see it as good.

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I still think it has moments.

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But yeah, I don't imagine Osiris would've known Chief's second name, Locke included. No need for them to.

lapis moat Oct 20, 2019, 12:34 AM

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I wouldn't call it a bad game, it's just pretty average

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:34 AM

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I think CINCONI knows, Serin Osman.

spiral jewel Oct 20, 2019, 12:35 AM

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I forgot about her (Serin).

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:35 AM

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She undoubtedly looked into all the SII program candidates to satiate her curiosity. She's just that type.

gilded mason Oct 20, 2019, 12:35 AM

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He wanted to make Chief feel betrayed, was the vibe I got. Or as if he didn't know Cortana as well as he thought he did.
Well, they didn't spend that long together, to be fair.

lapis moat Oct 20, 2019, 12:35 AM

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I can imagine it would be a well kept secret, considering that if Chief knew his name, he could trace is family back

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Would someone indoctrinated like the Chief even recognise the value of knowing your family name?

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:35 AM

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Yeah, but they were powerful times.

spiral jewel Oct 20, 2019, 12:35 AM

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I think Jacob Keyes might have known what his surname was

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:35 AM

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Cortana adopted Halsey's views of Chief, and Chief probably sees Cortana similar to how he sees Halsey too.

lapis moat Oct 20, 2019, 12:36 AM

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@spiral jewel For sure - being part of the recruitment process he most likely did

gilded mason Oct 20, 2019, 12:36 AM

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Didn't the other members of Blue Team get the chance to learn their last names, but declined? Saying it's in the past.

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:36 AM

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I dunno, but we do know their surnames.

lapis moat Oct 20, 2019, 12:36 AM

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@versed helm Chief wouldn't date grandma Halsey, but he would date Cortana xD

gilded mason Oct 20, 2019, 12:36 AM

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No thank you.

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:36 AM

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I prefer to see it as a comrades-in-arms relationship.

gilded mason Oct 20, 2019, 12:36 AM

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Yes.

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:37 AM

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Think Marcus and Dom but with a touch of femininity which makes the bromance a little dubious at times.

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And also a pretty huge additional heaping of, let's face it, mother-son complex stuff. From both sides.

lapis moat Oct 20, 2019, 12:38 AM

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@gilded mason I don't know, I can't imagine that being the case

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Chief's mother figure is Halsey, and Cortana's whole existence is based on Halsey's brain.

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Cortana even resembles Halsey from Chief's childhood.

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So y'know.

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If anything, it's a kind of semi-parental attachment that's a little more even-footed because of their very literal dependency on one another in combat.

gilded mason Oct 20, 2019, 12:39 AM

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I don't know, I can't imagine that being the case
Which thing?

lapis moat Oct 20, 2019, 12:39 AM

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So Chief's name is actually John Halsey

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:39 AM

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So I should've said it's a mother-son thing with a hint of Marcus and Dom.

lapis moat Oct 20, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Cracked this case wide open

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We've done it boys

versed helm Oct 20, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Well, he probably thinks of it that way in a subconscious fashion.

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As do all the Spartan IIs.

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Though it is also a little bit possible that a few Spartan IIs might've just remembered their surnames.

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Chief might even know his own surname.